[00:00] well, this was kubuntu, jaunty alpha 4 [00:05] gnome-panel isn't starting in jaunty here lately. I have to kill it to make it work(!). Any ideas how I could start to figure out the problem? [00:05] It's like it's there, just not showing because my tray items are minimized to it [00:41] How do i disable the new notifcations? [01:04] anyone else with this one https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/337080 [01:04] Ubuntu bug 337080 in bluez "bluetoothd crashed with SIGSEGV in calloc()" [Medium,New] === drostie is now known as drostie|dreams === sarixe` is now known as sarixe === YDdraigGoch is now known as WelshDragon === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [02:25] Sigh, who do I talk to about a universe package that is completely broken out of the box (to such an extent that I'd call it ftbfs)? uwsusp was synced + some additional patches, and those additional patches are bad, known to be broken. The bug has been filed, nothing's happened in quite a while. Notably, the debian version works properly, but even reverting to the old pre-jaunty version (which is quite a bit more out of date) w [02:25] ould be preferable [02:25] * cwillu stamps his feet [02:28] cwillu: I'd say look up the host package on packages.ubuntu.com then find who packages that [02:30] just lists "Ubuntu MOTU developers", no particular name [02:30] which package? [02:30] there's a name for original maintainer, but his packages works fine (from debian [02:31] uswsusp [02:31] oh, that might explain why i couldn't find it the first time [02:31] s2disk/s2both segfault out of the box, don't do anything [02:31] missed an s, sorry :p [02:31] -- Devid Antonio Filoni Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:48:21 +0100 [02:31] his irc nick is probably in launchpad [02:32] * cwillu looks [02:32] http://patches.ubuntu.com/u/uswsusp/extracted/ [02:32] (aptitude changelog uswsusp ftw!) [02:32] Hobbsee: do you mind sponsoring the debdiff in bug 343254 for me, please? [02:32] Launchpad bug 343254 in linux "pulseaudio: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343254 [02:33] dtchen: preferably not, sorry. i'm coding an assignment [02:33] sure [02:33] dfiloni or devfil [02:33] (don't ask why i'm on irc talking ;) ) [02:33] don't see either of them [02:34] cwillu: only change the changelog mentions is splashy > usplash [02:34] bruce89, that patch is broken [02:34] bruce89, but debian's package works perfectly [02:34] "add usplash support, I hope the patch is good" [02:34] way to test things before committing them to universe, eh? :p [02:35] Hobbsee: just get yourself klined [02:36] heh [02:36] * Hobbsee is doing useful bits on irc - just not being everywhere [02:36] * Hobbsee is looking for a "find and delete this element in a vector in c++", with apparently no luck [02:36] stl :< [02:44] Hobbsee: assuming it's not a predefined type, you need to override find() [02:44] dtchen: darn, OK [02:45] Hobbsee: see also binary_search(). depending on whether you're doing insertions and deletions into the vector, you could also use a map instead of a vector. [02:45] * Hobbsee discovers that she already has the position of the element from before, thus doesn't have to find it again. woot! [02:45] dtchen: that's true [02:52] Hobbsee: that just gave me a good idea for how to handle something in my homework. thanks! [02:52] :) [02:53] instead of returning 1/0 for true/false when trying to find out if something's in a list, return its index if it's there and -1 if it's not [02:53] then i can refind it easier [02:54] that's usually the way to do it, yes :) [02:55] I tried the new 9.4-alpha fglrx... no Xorg 1.6 support. === Amaranth is now known as bluesmoke [02:56] so do i still need python 2.5 or 2.6 substitutes for it? [02:56] for some 2.5 didnt uninstall when i upgraded? [02:56] *some reason [02:57] 2.5 is still available for those who want to use it === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [02:58] ah i see [02:59] maybe some packages still need it (even python 2.4 is still around because of zope 2.x) [03:14] its just that i had some problems yesterday trying to install exaile. it was saying something like python version is not defined in header for a package mutagen or something similar. but python-central update fixed that, still i noticed i had python 2.5,2.6 and 3.0 installed :) [03:48] hmm. my python seems to be broken [03:52] i guess i'll just remove every broken package till i get a small enough set that upgrades [03:54] hi, getting errors when updating linux-headers-2.6.28-9, unable to create ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-9/arch/cris/kernel/Makefile: No space left on device... yet i have gigs of room on / ? [03:56] musikgoat|main: is either /tmp or /usr on a separate partition from / ? [03:58] hmm, i looked at df, and it does look like /usr only has 189M avail [03:58] perhaps the ext4 issue too [03:58] whats the ext4 issue bruce89? [03:58] i am running ext4 [03:59] i heard about a bug, but didn't read up on it [03:59] jldugger: in what way exactly? [04:00] musikgoat|main: sometimes there are issues with ext4 thinking it's full [04:00] usually a fsck fixes it [04:01] does somebody here know how I can disable those annoying deprecation-warnings for python that i get since 2.6 was set as default? [04:01] bruce89: do you know offhand how to force a fsck on boot? [04:01] bug #317781 [04:02] Launchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317781 [04:02] musikgoat|main: can't remember, someone will I'm sure [04:02] musikgoat|main: sudo touch /forcefsck iirc [04:02] except you can't do that if the fs thinks it's full [04:03] yofel_: fix the code? :) [04:03] boot single. [04:03] yofel, -W ignore should do it [04:04] thanks yofel_ [04:05] bruce89, musikgoat|main I just linked the bug, and the fixes were just released a few hours ago [04:06] musikgoat|main, basically consisted of applications depending on specific behaviour of ext3 that isn't in common with any other filesystem, nor guarenteed by posix standards [04:06] all that debate about fsync [04:07] the 'fix' consists of a workaround to make ext4 behave as ext3 did for the common cases [04:07] cwillu: interesting, thanks for explaining... fix-released means the patch is in jaunty-proposed? [04:07] musikgoat|main, may not be synced with the repo's yet, but the changelog is up [04:07] is there really a proposed for jaunD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dty? [04:08] what the heck? [04:08] not yet [04:08] so i should expect it in the -10 kernel update coming along the pipes [04:08] nice [04:08] thanks cwillu [04:08] bruce89: they don't create that until release, right? [04:09] yes [04:11] i think DanaG just left the room to show off the unicode quit message :-P [04:11] Nope, was switching computers, actually. [04:12] I downgraded to the Intrepid X server, to get back fglrx, and thus compiz. [04:12] I was running pidgin on a second computer. [04:12] heh, i kid [04:12] I still have this issue, though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [04:13] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:13] Happens even on just plain Intrepid. [04:13] It's also just as broken with the 8.600 leaked driver. [04:17] leaked? where? [04:18] is it a beta for 9.3? [04:19] It's a beta for 9.4. No Xorg 1.6 support, though. [04:19] 9.4? [04:19] 9.3 isn't even out [04:19] so? [04:19] someone leaked a 9.1 beta before anyone had even seen a beta of 9.0 [04:19] well, for one, 9.4 is supposed to support xserver 1.6 [04:20] betas are supposed to be feature-complete :) [04:20] wouldn't be the first time someone has overpromised and underdelivered [04:20] and others are talking about a "9.4 beta" on phoronix too [04:20] yeah, I remember reading about ATI's ridiculous devcycle [04:21] I swear they must have two teams of developers there [04:21] And they go back and forth on releases so each one is actually two months of work, it's like a stepped advance in a battle or something :P [04:21] heh [04:21] * bruce89 SCO is waiting linux 2.7 [04:24] Amaranth: according to an old phoronix article, it's 11 weeks === yofel_ is now known as yofel [04:25] crdlb: 3 teams then [04:25] and beta starts 4 weeks before ship [04:25] goddamn metacity won't let go of compositing. [04:26] Well, it's also possible it's just suffering from the same brokenness as every other version has had for me. [04:26] for everyone [04:26] Even with the Intrepid X server... 8.600 didn't work. Kernel panic. [04:30] so ... now that fglrx's new versioning is > the old one, why don't they change the internal version? :/ [04:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [04:31] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:32] ALL versions newer than 8.543 are just as broken for me. [04:32] It also seems to be related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620 [04:32] how many times are you going to paste that? :/ [04:32] Ubuntu bug 288620 in fglrx "fglrx:fireglAsyncioIntEnableMsgHandler] *ERROR* interrupt source ff000066 is not supported on this hardware (return code = 1) [EPR#257840]" [Medium,Triaged] [04:32] there are -- afaik -- no fglrx developers in this channel [04:32] if there are any of you, please don't announce it [04:33] They're probably in the witness protection program by now :) [04:35] ugh, ccsm can't comprehend arbitrary keys. [04:35] 'arbitrary'? [04:36] lemme see... [04:36] state 0x0, keycode 199 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, [04:36] yeah, arbitrary. [04:37] you mean a key with no known symbol? [04:37] ccsm needs keysyms, keycodes are different on every keyboard [04:39] e033:f21 [04:39] Should be F21, it seems. [04:40] I had to manually modify that file to add the "EliteBook" string to a few of them. [04:40] ah, it's been so long since I've used compiz. =þ === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [05:30] good: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.1.13/+changelog [05:31] now I can deploy a livecd to an sdhc card. [05:31] crdlb: i donno what exactly went wrong, but it's fixed now. probably related to a python transition [05:38] DanaG: nice [05:39] I can boot from sdhc card. Nice. [06:16] any reason why SDL was built without OSS support? does it really save that much disk space? [06:20] anyone know which package I need or do I need to rebuild SDL (sdl-mixer?) === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [06:39] I'm going to upgrade to jaunty now, wish me good luck :) [06:41] kane77: get ready for massive crash bugs in bluetoothd and gnome-panel and such.. oh wait, those were there in Hardy and Intrepid [06:41] :) [06:42] I was actually trying to switch to Affix due to bluetooth issues. Unfortunately it's not working for newer kernels [06:42] I want to see if I will be able to connect to channels above 11 with b43.. someone on forums said that it should either work or you might be able to get it working in jaunty.. [06:43] but hey, the repositories are really slooowww :) [06:55] anyone at all know what I'd need to do to get oss support in SDL? [06:56] hmm apparently libsdl1.2debian-oss exists [07:11] Hmm, I'm trying to update but Jaunty - Release - part is giving me a Key error? [07:44] A recent package update has brocken Synaptic and the package manager. apt-get dist-upgrade still working fine. Any idea aas how to fix this? [07:44] throw it out the window. [07:44] done that :) [07:45] Still it would be fine to understand what's wrong with the update manager [07:45] would help if you actually had an error message, too [07:45] any details? [07:45] where can I look in the logs? [07:45] crdlb: no, details not required. Just throw it out the window, and stomp on it ;) [07:46] arthur_: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' is usually a good start [07:46] Hobbsee, pretty radical solution [07:46] arthur_: terminal output? [07:46] arthur_: *grin* [07:46] crdlb, I would be more tan happy to pass this on but, how? :) [07:47] I am actually getting crash messages from Gnome [07:47] But no hint as to what is actually crashing [07:48] try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [07:48] run update-manager in a terminal [07:48] Hobbsee, done that, be there [07:48] no error messages? [07:49] no error messages from the update manager [07:49] it just poofs away? [07:50] I just did. btw it opens the gui and refreshes repos [07:50] nope [07:50] so ... it works? [07:51] well, i'ts not an error with apt / aptitude then [07:51] Yes update-manager works but does not report any updates [07:51] er, because there are none? [07:51] MAy be [07:51] But this morning I first tried that [07:51] * Hobbsee advocates defenestration [07:51] just wait 5 minutes [07:51] And subsequently did a apt-get update [07:52] apt-get dist-upgrade [07:52] and got 150 + Mb of updates [07:52] yup [07:52] there's a big difference between crashing and not displaying any updates [07:53] Hobbsee, Is there anyway I can easily look into my logs? [07:53] arthur_: cd /var/log, look for apt logs [07:53] A console.app, for instance? [07:53] I know that [07:53] A GUI to the logs [07:53] Same as on OSX for instance [07:54] there should be one [07:59] I just found this in my user.log [07:59] ubuntu-hp pulseaudio[4044]: module.c: Failed to load module "module-x11-xsmp" (argument: ""): initialization failed. [07:59] The only significant error message [07:59] Is it bad? :) [08:01] OK, I made some further progress [08:01] Invoking synaptic from shell, works just fine [08:02] It doesn't work from the Gnome menu [08:02] Perhaps time to update that [08:02] arthur_: what does "gksu id" on a terminal do? [08:03] uid=0(root) gid=0(root) gruppi=0(root) [08:03] Well, it's in Italian.. ;) [08:03] But it looks ok to me [08:04] mvo, agreed? [08:04] hm, that looks good, no idea what is wrong from launching it from the menus then (I had thought it might be gksu broken) [08:04] now here is a hint [08:05] starting synaptic from shel works [08:05] but reminds me about the missing privileges [08:05] arthur_, Are you starting synaptic from the shell without gksu ? [08:05] sudo synaptic doesn't work [08:05] arthur_: it won't open at all from the panel menu? [08:05] arthur_, You shouldn't use sudo with GUI programs [08:06] Ah [08:06] !gksudo | arthur_ [08:06] arthur_: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) [08:06] live and learn [08:06] arthur_, See if it starts properly with "gksu synaptic" [08:07] gksu synaptic is not working either [08:07] Any errors? [08:07] Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [08:08] That's interesting [08:08] As I said just typing "synaptic" works fine [08:08] IS there a way in Ubuntu to set all permissions in the filesystem to a default? [08:09] Same thing as "repair permissions" in OSX.. ;) [08:09] anyone having trouble with skype chat messages going out? [08:09] arthur_, Try: gksu zenity --entry [08:09] You will probably get the same error if I am right that this is not synaptic specific [08:09] bash: gksy: command not found [08:10] gksU [08:10] Jordan_U, something missing? [08:10] ah [08:10] command not found [08:10] lower case [08:10] :) [08:11] No protocol specified [08:11] (zenity:13575): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [08:12] arthur_, Now to see if non Gtk apps have the same problem try "gksu xeyes" [08:12] same problem [08:13] in other words, it appears that something is broken with gksu [08:13] any ideas? [08:14] Jordan_U, I have another 10 minutes.. ;) [08:16] arthur_, What is the output of: echo $DISPLAY [08:16] Jordan_U, and btw, typing "xeyes" just works fine [08:17] :0.0 [08:17] looks OK [08:17] I have no idea what the problem is then [08:17] :D [08:18] Do you have another user set up? [08:18] thanks for trying [08:18] well, I can try yes [08:18] what do you have in mind? [08:18] Try running "gksu --su-mode xeyes" and choose to run it as your other user [08:19] same as before [08:19] :( [08:19] (gksu:13698): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [08:22] I am leaving, thanks for the assistance so far [08:22] np, good luck [08:23] tia [08:23] Hi, has anybody noticed free and the system monitor program giving different memory usage? [08:24] And, if free is right, the base system using up a lot of memory (about 900mb for a pretty default version of xubuntu, last update about 10 hours ago) [08:24] ablomen: http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html [08:27] jpds, yeah well what the thing is, i know there is usualy a difference, but 350mb on system monitor vs almost 1gb on free seems a bit... huge [08:28] ablomen: That's... true. [08:29] ablomen: the right information about memory usage with free is the "-/+ buffers/cache:" line [08:29] I think gnome-system-monitor is just excluding cache [08:30] and i also did get "can not alocate memory" errors when trying to start some programs.. so im guessing free is about right, and all i was running is xfce, vlc and apache+mysql [08:30] canot allocate memory indicates some sort of corruption, usually [08:30] cannot* [08:30] oh nice, ok so memcheck it is [08:31] due to overcommit, the kernel will pretty much never refuse a reasonable memory allcation [08:31] bah, can't type [08:31] which is why glib has the policy of aborting on malloc failure :) [08:32] heh ok then, bwa i was hoping other people had this problem, seems i need to check my ram then.. well thanks for the tips jpds fargiolas and crdlb === Ronald is now known as Ronald|Work [08:33] for some weird reason, epiphany-browser 's menu icon doesn't appear unless you logout/login - can anyone confirm this? [08:33] ablomen: not that kind of corruption [08:33] crdlb, oh? [08:33] ablomen: I mean heap corruption, ie a bug [08:34] ah ok, so the best course of action may be using that pmap command to check the memory usage per process? [08:35] to see where to report a bug [08:35] oh, it's happening with multiple apps? [08:35] well no i dont know what app is doing it [08:35] its not an application i start myself [08:36] savvas: It's been reported on LP a few times. The binary and the icon are in different packages. If the icon gets installed before the binary, GNOME won't show it. Logging in and out makes GNOME look for the binary again --> it shows up. [08:36] i checked top but i didnt see anything weird there [08:36] so im guessing a daemon is bugged or something like that [08:37] rww: I tried update-menus and sudo update-menus after installing it and that wouldn't work either - thanks for shedding some light :) [08:37] rww: hmm, I guess karmic can fix that :) [08:37] (by only having one ephy) [08:37] crdlb: I guess karmic is dropping the gecko backend? [08:38] epiphany is [08:38] it was supposed to happen sooner, but ephy 2.28 should be webkit-only [08:39] yay :) [08:40] I'm actually using it now full-time, not that I really recommend it [09:23] do Notifications only show on Primary screen, and not where the mouse and intereacting are happening? [09:25] without looking at the code, I'm guessing it doesn't check the Xinerama outputs at all [09:26] so it just positions it at the top right of the screen, which could (in theory) be a place no output (monitor) is showing [09:30] bug 343576 [09:30] Launchpad bug 343576 in indicator-applet "Notifications only appear on the Defaul display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343576 [09:31] crdlb: can you comment that there? [09:31] also bug 343575 [09:31] Launchpad bug 343575 in gnome-do "DO classic popup only show on Default Display " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343575 [09:31] ahh nice morning [09:31] event have read email and already filed two bugs === drostie is now known as drostie|dreams === drostie|dreams is now known as drostie [09:36] BUGabundo: are we talking about notify-osd notifications, still? [09:38] two diff bugs [09:38] one for notifications [09:38] and one for gnome do [09:38] sorry for the confusion [09:38] right, but the bug is filed against indicator-applet [09:39] bug 331369 [09:39] Launchpad bug 331369 in notify-osd "regression vs. notification-daemon: positioning when multiple screens are available" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331369 [09:44] yep === Eq|laptop is now known as EqUaTe [10:29] hi, I got an asus laptop X71SL-7S134C the network card is reconized like Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02), I got the eth0 but I'm unable to use it, it refuse dhcp, even if I configure it static it doens't work, anybody now if it's will be fix ? or know how to fix that ? thanks [10:30] macsimlap: what error do you get? [10:30] macsimlap: SiS? good luck with that [10:31] slytherin, no error [10:31] spend 2 days around a laptop with board, wired and wifi SiS based [10:31] no luck! [10:31] BUGabundo, thanks ;) [10:31] would not conect to anything [10:31] to install it, I was forced to use noacpi too [10:31] it's strange everything works fine, except the NIC [10:32] the dhcp behaviour seems the same [10:32] as I suffered [10:32] yeah [10:32] seems you are out of luck [10:32] BUGabundo, you disable acpi and it solve your problem ? [10:32] many, many entries on forums with SiS hw support request [10:32] with zero feed back [10:32] macsimlap: no it didn't [10:32] but at least allowed me to install ubuntu on it [10:32] 1st time I got a computer on linux where everythings work except the NIC [10:33] wouldt even boot if not for that [10:33] but unlike you, everything on that laptop as SiS [10:33] you seem to only have the wired card [10:33] SiS is just bad for linux [10:33] BUGabundo, I got wireless too and it's works fine [10:33] send them an email.... [10:33] BUGabundo, I will ;) [10:33] macsimlap: I bet its not SiS, is it? [10:34] BUGabundo, you win Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [10:43] olá BUGabundo [10:47] anybody having trouble with playing DVDs on jaunty? I am wondering if I am the only person with problem. Please try totem (gstreamer), mplayer or VLC. [10:54] oias joaopinto [10:55] slytherin: there have been reports of css not compiling [10:55] what have you tried? [10:55] did you try to install the codec from archive? [10:55] using the build sh? [10:55] medibuntu codec repos? [10:55] BUGabundo: I have libdvdcss installed and all the codecs. [10:55] too many questions for a noob? [10:56] if you have it installed, can you check another dvd? [10:56] BUGabundo: I am not the noob. I am a MOTU. And I am responsible for sync/merge of libdvdread/libdvdnav from Debian. But now that I find the dvd playback broken, I am wondering why no one else has complained. :-) === Teiseii is now known as Teisei [10:59] slytherin: sorry... had no idea, once you came in... notice the detail on the reply so assumed you knew more [10:59] slytherin: to anwser your question: I've seen 2 users compalining [11:00] BUGabundo: Any pointers? [11:00] no... [11:00] bad memory on my side [11:00] check the IRC logs... [11:00] I know some one in here help one of the users debug it.... [11:01] he had luck with another movie... but not all [11:01] Ok. If it is related to libdvdcss then I don't think I can help. [11:03] slytherin: i didn't find any problems when i tried last time? [11:04] slytherin: and i hope you didn't drop my changes, like debian did... [11:05] just to be sure: what's libdvdread ? [11:05] Hobbsee: I didn't do the latest merge of libdvdread. Which changes are you talking about? [11:05] hrm. could not load location [11:05] slytherin: making install-css.sh executable, via debian/rules, mainly. [11:05] slytherin: and i thought you said you did ;) [11:05] Hobbsee: No. Those changes are there. And that is not the issue. [11:06] ah good ;) [11:06] I get permission error in totem and similar error in other players. I have found the solution but not able to understand the cause. [11:06] "Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file." ? [11:06] Hobbsee: ^^ [11:07] Hobbsee: yes, same [11:08] hmmm [11:09] ubuntu-restricted-extras: "Drop libdvdread3, since libxine1 has its own private copy of libdvdread/libdvdnav". That's not related is it? [11:09] cwillu: nope [11:09] cwillu: xien works fine. [11:09] libdvdread3 isn't just xine though, no? [11:10] slytherin: hrm. i think it's a permissions problem with the actual cdrom drive? [11:10] crdlb: that bug, as been triaged and marked as dupe! [11:10] Hobbsee: No. Here is my analysis. There is a configure2 script and a Makefile shipped by upstream. I think that is causing problem. If you use the ./autogen.sh to generate configure and then use that then the resulting .so works fine. [11:11] cwillu: Currently all the packages that use libdvdread are broken. But since libxine has its own copy of libdvdread/libdvdnav, it is not broken. [11:11] slytherin: hit up seb128 about it? [11:11] ahhh [11:11] BUGabundo: well, it is, isn't it? [11:11] (or just fix it) ;) [11:12] just upgrade my kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 [11:13] no problem at all [11:13] everything works fine [11:13]