[00:09] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: so far so good with your fixes
[00:21] <vocx> It's funny, I don't even know what a "nomination" means in Lauchpad. There's too much in Launchpad, I don't even know how to use.
[00:23] <david_> The line of links before the bug description includes "Nominate for release"
[00:24] <david_> meaning "I think it needs to be fixed for <one or more releases>"
[00:24] <david_> But, yeah - lots to deal with, not always clear how...
[00:25] <Hobbsee> david_: is correct
[00:55] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343445 is a feature request and can be set as wishlist (HowToTriage told me to say that here; if there's somewhere else I should be mentioning this, let me know :/)
[00:56] <bcurtiswx> rww: set
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> ok i cant read the openGPG in my e-mail... ive tried firegpg and moving it to evolution
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> no success
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> ick
[02:34] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: RE: "your fixes" - do you mean from my ppa?
[02:36] <bcurtiswx> yup
[06:27] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:39] <savvas> seb128: hi, do you think it's possible to fix bug 201224 with the suggestions I mentioned in my last comment?
[09:41] <seb128> savvas: I don't understand your suggestion there, adding a daemon for what?
[09:42] <savvas> seb128: no no :) I meant using the notification-daemon to pop up a notification that in order to show the menu item the user has to log out and log back in
[09:42] <seb128> savvas: he doesn't?
[09:42] <seb128> savvas: gnome-menus uses inotify to monitor desktop changes
[09:43] <savvas> I just installed epiphany-browser and didn't see any notification
[09:43] <savvas> let me try on a virtual machine
[09:43] <seb128> there is no notifications
[09:44] <savvas> ah ok :)
[09:44] <seb128> do you want also to displays notifications when user click on an icon to say they clicked on the icon ? ;-)
[09:44] <savvas> point taken :P
[09:44] <seb128> the menu is just updated to list what has been installed
[09:45] <savvas> but for a menu update a user can be and will be confused - that race between -data and binary is evil :)
[09:46] <seb128> there is 2 things there
[09:46] <seb128> one is that gnome-menus could watch for the binary to be available
[09:47] <seb128> the other one is that the .desktop and the binary should be shipped in the same deb
[09:48] <savvas> is there a gnome-menus bug/feature request for this upstream?
[09:48] <savvas> if you happen to know that is :)
[09:49] <seb128> there is one in launchpad dunno upstream but I guess so
[09:50] <savvas> ok I'll try and search a bit, thanks!
[13:06] <pedro_> hello jgoguen
[13:07] <jgoguen> hey pedro_
[13:07] <jgoguen> pedro_: do you have a few minutes to look at some bugs?
[13:10] <pedro_> jgoguen: sure
[13:23] <seb128> pedro_: hola
[13:25] <pedro_> seb128: bonjour monsieur Bacher!
[13:25] <seb128> pedro_: how are you?
[13:27] <pedro_> seb128: good good, catching up with the bug email from the weekend, how about you?
[13:27] <seb128> pedro_: good too, trying to catch up with the 2.26 tarballs ;-)
[13:27] <seb128> and being puzzled by dvd playing which didn't work on friday and works today when I wanted to look at debugging libdvdread
[13:28] <pedro_> right that's due to today
[13:28] <pedro_> mm? that's strange
[13:29] <seb128> yeah
[13:29] <seb128> does it work for you?
[13:29] <seb128> do you have any protected dvd to try?
[13:29] <seb128> (ie one where you need libdvdcss)
[13:30] <pedro_> there's some weird magic in gstreamer, sometimes i'm testing some files which doesn't seems to work well, like having fast play, bad streams, things like that and after a few hours they work fine
[13:31] <pedro_> yeah i have a protected one (spiderman 3 i guess), let me find it
[13:36] <pedro_> seb128: i'm getting a lot of *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in /build/buildd/libdvdread-4.1.3/src/ifo_read.c:1601 *** and totem seems to be hanged, like waiting for the response from the library
[13:37] <seb128> pedro_: ok good, I had that on friday
[13:37] <seb128> pedro_: did you dist-upgrade today yet?
[13:38] <pedro_> seb128: yes, did it like an hour ago
[13:38] <seb128> pedro_: that was breaking the same way for me on friday and it's working today I'm puzzled on why
[13:38] <seb128> hum, ok, murphy's law in action then
[13:38]  * pedro_ trying with another dvd
[13:39] <pedro_> seb128: got the exactly the same issue with another dvd disc
[13:39] <seb128> ok thanks
[13:39] <pedro_> no problem
[13:40] <seb128> pedro_: I must be scaring bugs away now or something ;-)
[13:40] <pedro_> lol
[13:41] <pedro_> seb128: you or your 127 slaves :-P
[13:41] <seb128> lol
[13:41] <seb128> pedro_: be carreful or I could take you to replace one of those ;-)
[13:42]  * pedro_ runs away
[13:51] <bddebian> Boo
[13:52] <pedro_> buuu!
[13:53] <BUGabundo> foo
[13:53] <bddebian> moo
[13:53] <BUGabundo> meeeeee
[15:02] <pedro_> good day MrKanister
[15:02] <MrKanister> hey pedro_
[15:08] <MrKanister> pedro_: Do you think the BugDay page is ready? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090319)
[15:10] <pedro_> MrKanister: i was just looking at it. Looks fine to me, just added a bug with a patch to the list too
[15:10] <pedro_> MrKanister: are you about to send the announcement?
[15:11] <MrKanister> pedro_:I noticed your editing because wanted to edit something but it didn't worked :)
[15:11] <MrKanister> pedro_: Yes, I will send the announcement in the evening
[15:12] <pedro_> MrKanister: alright, thanks dude!
[15:12] <MrKanister> pedro_: Sure!
[16:00] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: 326!!!! nice work! 50 down only 300 to go! yay
[16:10] <YoBoY> arg 300...
[16:10] <BUGabundo> eheehehehehehe
[16:11] <YoBoY> "This is where we hold them. This is were we fight! This is were they die!" :D
[16:36] <joumetal> Could someone from bugsquad set bug 220142 back to triaged please
[16:40] <pedro_> joumetal: can you reproduce it again?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> done, joumetal
[16:42] <joumetal> yes. last comment in  bug is true.
[16:45] <pedro_> joumetal: may you comment on the upstream BTS as well? your latest comment there says the opposite
[17:02] <joumetal> pedro_: yep. commented in bugzilla too.
[17:03] <pedro_> joumetal: awesome, thanks
[18:07] <Deenr> greetings
[18:07] <Deenr> I've got an recent issue with SMB shares over my network.  Can someone help me troubleshoot
[18:09] <Deenr> ??
[18:10] <YoBoY> Deenr: hi, if you need support, ask on #ubuntu , if you need help to fill a bug you are in the right place :)
[18:11] <Deenr> yeah, I've tried the main #ubuntu room
[18:11] <Deenr> no such luck.  I've read about my issue.  Seems it's a bug
[18:13] <mrooney> Deenr: have you found an existing bug? If so the best thing to do is subscribe to it and mark it as affecting you, and add any extra information if you have any in a comment
[18:13] <Deenr> ach, ok
[18:14] <leoquant> Deenr and you want add your comment to it? then we need a bug number.
[18:15] <Deenr> alrighty
[18:15] <mrooney> leoquant: we don't a bug number for someone to add their comments to it, what do you mean?
[18:17] <leoquant> no it is better to know the exact bug, avoiding duplicates
[18:18] <mrooney> what is the correct package for multimedia key issues?
[18:54] <mrooney> pedro_: is there some policy I am not aware of, re bug 280710, that recommends closing bugs just because no upstream report is created?
[18:54] <mrooney> that doesn't seem...right
[18:55] <pedro_> mrooney: no there is not
[18:56] <pedro_> mrooney: wishlist bugs should be send upstream though, i don't want to close that either, but if the reporter doesn't fill that upstream there's nothing we can do to make that happen
[18:56] <mrooney> right, I don't think we should Invalidate it though just because of that :)
[18:56] <mrooney> otherwise people in the future (like me) couldn't find it
[18:56] <pedro_> mrooney: that's right, just want to encourage them to do it :-)
[18:58] <mrooney> pedro_: I suppose I'll do it! But how do I know if it goes in Compiz or Compiz-Fusion?
[18:58] <mrooney> that is confusing
[19:01] <mrooney> ugh what is Xorg doing with an entire core of my CPU :[
[19:02] <pedro_> mrooney: good question, i think it's just "Compiz" if it's the wrong component upstream can reassign it later
[19:02] <pedro_> those compiz guys always fighting :-P
[19:08] <mrooney> I will if Firefox stops making Xorg consume 100% CPU
[19:09] <mrooney> it does it in both 3.0 and 3.1 (from the nightly PPA) with a clean profile :(
[19:11] <mrooney> but only when looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bugs , hmm
[19:12] <bdmurray> maybe its one of those crazy greasemonkey scripts ;-)
[19:13] <mrooney> bdmurray: I thought about that but it happens on a fresh profile
[19:14] <mrooney> let me try again just to make extra sure
[19:16] <mrooney> bdmurray: well while you are here, is there a bug report for how update manager doesn't appear in the tray any more?
[19:17] <mrooney> I didn't find one but, it wasn't easy to look without all my clock cycles :)
[19:17] <mrooney> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/343813 is a would-be dupe
[19:18] <mrooney> hey someone changed it! it used to be in rythmbox
[19:18] <mrooney> ahh pedro_ beat me to it
[19:58] <mrooney> do multimedia key bugs go against linux?
[20:00] <bdmurray> mrooney: it really depends
[20:01] <mrooney> bdmurray: oh okay, what about for bug 343782
[20:02] <bdmurray> mrooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[20:03] <bdmurray> mrooney: there ins't enough information to tell anything about that bug report
[20:03] <bdmurray> isn't
[20:03] <mrooney> bdmurray: should I just link to that page asking them to attempt to troubleshoot and then get back to us, and mark as incomplete?
[20:04] <bdmurray> mrooney: that sounds best
[20:07] <mrooney> bdmurray: actually it sounds like he is saying that the keys work, but that they adjust the capture level and not the mater
[20:07] <mrooney> *master
[20:07] <mrooney> after a re-re-read
[20:08] <jcastro> bdmurray: I want to do a test page for likewise-open/active directory testing like this one was done for X: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[20:08] <jcastro> where shall I put it?
[20:10] <mrooney> jcastro: hi! can I sneak in and ask if launchpad's upstream filer for Firefox should really be filing against "Core" and not "Firefox"?
[20:15] <jcastro> mrooney: what do you mean?
[20:16] <mrooney> jcastro: if there is a bug in firefox (ubuntu) and you say, hey this also affects upstream firefox, it will send you to mozilla's bugzilla and pre-populate a report
[20:16] <mrooney> but the product it files against is Mozilla Core
[20:16] <mrooney> instead of Firefox
[20:16] <jcastro> oh, not the firefox product?
[20:17] <mrooney> right
[20:17] <jcastro> lame
[20:17] <jcastro> let me check
[20:17] <mrooney> yeah, it seems better to file against Firefox by default and let them move to Core if it happens to be a core issue
[20:18] <mrooney> that is what #firefox suggested anyway
[20:18] <jcastro> right
[20:18] <mrooney> jcastro: I am not just randomly asking you right, you are related to launchpads upstream flow? :)
[20:19] <jcastro> yep! this is my kind of thing!
[20:20] <jcastro> mrooney: the bugs guy who fixes this kind of thing is at a sprint this week, mind if I CC you in on the email?
[20:20] <mrooney> go for it!
[20:21] <mrooney> by the way I was talking to you about ubuntu bugs automatically being filed upstream a few weeks ago, any progress on that?
[20:21] <jcastro> yes it's going to need more discussion
[20:21] <jcastro> there's currently no way to do it on a per-package basis
[20:21] <jcastro> which is what we want to do
[20:22] <mrooney> yeah that would be neat
[20:22] <mrooney> right now my applications "help -> report a bug" just files upstream
[20:22] <mrooney> so that sort of works
[20:23] <mrooney> I have to manually open an Ubuntu task if appropriate, but that is fairly painless
[20:23] <bcurtiswx> my openPGP key has an old e-mail address I don't use anymore.  can I edit the old key or should I just make a new one?
[20:25] <jcastro> mrooney: I have it on my "to discuss" for this next UDS.
[20:25] <jcastro> mrooney: but it was on that list last UDS too, it really depends on how much manpower we can get from the lp bugs folks to implement it.
[20:26] <jcastro> mrooney: did you see my lp-upstream-tool though? That should help in the meantime
[20:26] <mrooney> jcastro: cool. by the way, are the sponsoring results this week? :) I recall the page mentioned 3/16 in some way
[20:26] <jcastro> I believe it's tomorrow
[20:27] <mrooney> how potentially exciting!
[20:28] <jcastro> mrooney: this only happens when you file a new bug right?
[20:28] <mrooney> there are no problems when linking to an existing report, is that what you mean?
[20:28] <jcastro> right
[20:28] <mrooney> yes, only new reports
[20:29] <jcastro> mrooney: can you see if there is a bug on this, and if not, open one?
[20:29] <jcastro> then I will push it along to the right person
[20:29] <mrooney> jcastro: sure, against launchpad?
[20:29] <jcastro> I haven't filed a new bug in so long I didn't even know we did pre-filling out already
[20:29] <jcastro> against malone.
[20:29] <mrooney> ooooh
[20:29] <mrooney> yeah it is so convenient but sadly wrong
[20:30] <mrooney> and useful because many FF issues aren't going to get fixed in Ubuntu
[20:30] <jcastro> well, the idea was to save people the time of copying and pasting so if we fix that part ...
[20:30] <mrooney> but you know why upstream reports are useful already :)
[20:30] <mrooney> your presentation at the last UDS was pretty cool, with that whole page of data
[20:31] <jcastro> yes, we're collectively doing much better now
[20:31] <jcastro> there's alot more green in the report than there used to be
[20:52] <mrooney> jcastro: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/343893
[20:53] <jcastro> mrooney: confirming, I'll let gmb know
[21:55] <jgoguen> can someone on bug-control set the importance of bug 240503 to Low
[22:07] <bdmurray> jgoguen: Why Low?
[22:08] <jgoguen> bdmurray: because it's a bug that can be easily worked around
[22:08] <bdmurray> jgoguen: I don't see a work around in the bug report
[22:09] <jgoguen> bdmurray: the reporter's second comment says that the workaround is to set the pages-per-page in the application's print dialog rather than the printer admin tool
[22:10] <bdmurray> Isn' that just for one application though?
[22:10] <jgoguen> bdmurray: sorry, actually he says Evince...but I checked also with Firefox
[22:11] <bdmurray> jgoguen: Cool, I think I'll still use Medium though as it doesn't seem that discoverable.
[22:11] <jgoguen> bdmurray: ok, thanks :)
[22:11] <bdmurray> jgoguen: by the way it might be helpful to use apport-collect with that bug to grab log / files just in case
[22:12] <jcastro> mrooney: oh, I didn't know we could change the data
[22:12] <jcastro> mrooney: it should work itself out now.
[22:12] <jgoguen> bdmurray: yes, I forgot about the apport hook...I'll run it now
[22:14] <mrooney> jcastro: oh cool excellent. haha I love that it was converted to a question
[23:42] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: are you there?
[23:42] <scott_ev> yes
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: the pidgin bug you just requested information from, you want to set that as incomplete as well
[23:43] <scott_ev> oh, thx, will do
[23:43] <scott_ev> I have a fewe out there like that..oops
[23:43] <scott_ev> I'll track them down
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: its nothing big.  Thanks for triaging bugs!
[23:46] <scott_ev> bcurtiswx: it's fun and I want to get better at it
[23:46] <scott_ev> anytime you see something not quite right from me, please let me know
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: its always a learning experience, no matter how many bugs any of us have triaged, there's always something new.  If you are questionable about any decision, everyone in here is extremely helpful and more than happy to help you out as you learn
[23:49] <scott_ev> excellent, thanks.  You'll be seeing me
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: do you know about the wiki pages that assist bug triagers?
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[23:52] <scott_ev> yes, I have a lot of info and a short memory
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: good luck
[23:53] <scott_ev> bcurtiswx: believe it or not, I've written a bug triaging tutorial for my LoCo.  I'm a Linux Gnuub and new to launchpad
[23:53] <scott_ev> I'll figure it out
[23:54] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: nice, which LoCo?
[23:54] <scott_ev> AZ
[23:54] <scott_ev> I'm trying to ge the team more involved in QA
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> scott_ev: even better to hear, LoCo teams are great fun (especially during bug jams)
[23:56] <scott_ev> yup, and AZ is a real active team.  4 or 5 of us do the UWN
[23:56] <scott_ev> we do installfests, release parties
[23:56] <scott_ev> I have fun
[23:57] <bcurtiswx> great
[23:58] <scott_ev> bc	azloco.com