[00:15] <dobey> hmm
[00:16] <dobey> so how do i go about upgrading to jaunty exactly, since i don't see an obvious place to grab an ISO
[00:20] <pochu> dobey: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[00:21] <pochu> dobey: or you can "gksu update-manager -d" or something like that
[00:23] <dobey> hmm
[00:23] <dobey> i don't think update-manager migrates to ext4 though?
[00:33] <pochu> I don't think so
[07:52] <pitti> Good morning
[07:53] <seb128> hello pitti
[07:53] <seb128> hey sabdfl
[08:00] <sabdfl> howdy seb128, how's jaunty looking for you/
[08:02] <seb128> sabdfl: I looks very good, I think it will be one of the best ubuntu versions (if not the best one) we rolled until now, pretty solid and with some cool changes
[08:05] <sabdfl> seb128: 2.26 shaping up nicely from GNOME?
[08:06] <seb128> yes, the 2.26 tarballs are due today and I'm pretty happy about how this cycle went
[08:06] <seb128> the only concern I had was session storing still being broken but vuntz attached a patch for that on saturday, it might be a bit late for 2.26.0 but it's already in jaunty to get testing
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: fixing that would be awesome
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: that has been broken since gutsy or so?
[08:31] <seb128> pitti: depends what you call session storing
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: cleanly shutting down session programs on logout, anyway
[08:32] <seb128> pitti: gnome-session closing without telling applications is since intrepid
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: I gave up the hope that we'll ever get back proper session saving/restoring :)
[08:32] <seb128> well the current jaunty version should be somewhat working for that too
[08:32] <pitti> now, if only suspend/resume worked, then jaunty would be perfect
[08:32] <seb128> some programs are known to be buggy
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: I still get the daily "unexpectedly killed" question from firefox
[08:33] <seb128> see upstream discussion about the real plans, which includes having session storage in gtk and letting applications handle that
[08:33] <seb128> pitti: did you upgrade and restart since saturday afternoon?
[08:33] <seb128> pitti: the pacakge I uploaded saturday fix the gedit and firefox cases
[08:33] <seb128> ie gedit asks for saving work again
[08:33] <pitti> hm, maybe not yet
[08:33] <seb128> and firefox don't show the crash dialog
[08:33]  * pitti upgrades
[08:33] <seb128> doesn't
[08:34] <pitti> I did an upgrade on Saturday
[08:34] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep gnome-session?
[08:34] <pitti> 2.25.92-0ubuntu3
[08:34] <pitti> nothing new from apt-get
[08:34] <seb128> you restarted your session twice since?
[08:34] <pitti> booted this morning
[08:34] <seb128> ie, you close a session which was the new gnome-session
[08:34] <seb128> well, when you closed you laptop with firefox running
[08:35] <seb128> that was still the old code running?
[08:35] <pitti> that's entirely possible
[08:35] <seb128> ok, let me know next time you close a session
[08:35] <pitti> right, will do
[08:36]  * pitti grabs all the sync stuff from the sponsoring queue
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: seems the queue is still manageable in size, I'm doing the python 2.6 sponsorings now
[08:48] <seb128> pitti: ok thanks
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: I guess your GNOME packaging army will fill it up quickly again :)
[08:49] <seb128> yeah, it's a bit early ;-)
[08:49] <pitti> right, so let's clean it up as much as possible before :)
[09:04] <Zdra> seb128: telepathy-glib FTBFS for ages now... Bigon told me it's ubuntu's fault... do you have any idea?
[09:04] <seb128> Zdra: no, I didn't look at it I though bigon was looking at the telepathy stack in ubuntu, let me look
[09:05] <seb128> it fails to import "locale"
[09:05] <seb128> seems to be a missing build-depends or similar
[09:06] <seb128> I doubt it's ubuntu's fault though
[09:06] <seb128> I will talk to him when he's around
[09:06] <Zdra> seb128: oh, the error changed... last time I checked it was another python module that failed
[09:06] <Zdra> seb128: the package builds fine on my jaunty laptop
[09:07] <seb128> did you try in pbuilder?
[09:07] <Zdra> seb128: IIRC, he said it's python-minimal that's crack on ubuntu, or something like that
[09:07] <seb128> ah, that's another discussion, I've read this one
[09:07] <Zdra> seb128: no, my knownledge in debian packages is level -1 ;)
[09:07] <seb128> he assumes that python-minimal is not installed which is a wrong assumption
[09:08] <seb128> the real fix is to make the package still build when that is installed
[09:08] <seb128> not to blame the ubuntu build machine because it has python-minimal and that the telepathy-glib logic is not clever enough to handle that
[09:08] <seb128> hat's really a telepathy-glib bug
[09:09] <seb128> it should either conflict on python-minimal if it can't build when it's there
[09:09] <seb128> or the configure should be clever enough to detect that everything required is not available
[09:10] <seb128> anyway I will sort that with him when he's around
[09:10] <Zdra> seb128: ok, thx
[09:10] <seb128> you're welcome
[09:21] <Zdra> seb128: sjoerd (debian packager for tp stack) said the problem is it should depend on python2.5 instead of python2.6
[10:11] <seb128> asac: could you reply to upstream questions on gnome bug #571423?
[10:11] <ember> seb128 can i update gt?
[10:12] <seb128> yes and vte if you want
[10:12] <ember> thanks
[10:12] <seb128> and brasero
[10:12] <asac> seb128: yes
[10:12] <seb128> asac: good ;-)
[10:13] <seb128> brb trying gnome-keyring 2.26 update
[10:51] <pitti> seb128: no luck; I choose "reboot" from the system menu, and next time firefox says again it crashed
[10:52] <seb128> pitti: could be that fusa is buggy too, I've been trying using gnome-session
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: I do not use fusa
[10:52] <seb128> what do you call system menu?
[10:52] <seb128> oh
[10:52] <pitti> just the system menu
[10:52] <seb128> hum
[10:52] <seb128> I will try later
[10:52] <seb128> I did try logout
[10:52] <seb128> not reboot
[10:52] <seb128> maybe there is a difference
[11:06] <pitti> seb128: do you want me to sponsor bug 341487, or do you want to include the patch in the regular 2.26 update?
[11:06] <seb128> looking
[11:06] <pitti> seb128: grabbing bug 340775 if that's alright with you?
[11:06] <seb128> pitti: yes
[11:07] <seb128> pitti: not sure about bug #341487 if it's going to be in the 2.26 tarball you can sponsor it if you want
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: the metacity one probably won't be applied upstream
[11:07] <seb128> ok, you can upload then, I've no clue about it and not interest since I use compiz
[11:07] <pitti> okay, will have a look
[11:08] <seb128> thanks!
[11:08] <seb128> ok, let me try this gnome-session thing on restart
[11:09] <salty-horse> chrisccoulson, hi. can I do anything to help with my metacity bug? maybe prepare the dpkg myself? (beta freeze is coming up)
[11:10] <pochu> asac: ping liferea :)
[11:11] <asac> pochu: right. let me dget it again
[11:13] <seb128> pitti: ok, you are right, that works only for logout
[11:14] <pitti> seb128: ah, I had expected that gnome-session wise, logout and reboot would be the same
[11:14] <seb128> me too
[11:14] <seb128> I just didn't test those, logout was much faster for testing ;-)
[11:14] <seb128> I will comment on the upstream bug
[11:15]  * pitti hugs seb128
[11:15]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:16] <pitti> seb128: ok, I think I stop sponsoring now and do some work; I'll get back to it when there are some 2.26 updates in the queue
[11:16] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[11:16] <seb128> didrocks will be around tonight he said but not during the day
[11:16] <seb128> not sure about huats
[11:16] <seb128> the sponsoring rush might be for tomorrow ;-)
[11:17] <davmor2> Keybuk: about to run some alt install tests to try your hardened fix :)
[12:09] <Keybuk> davmor2: thanks ;)
[12:20] <davmor2> Keybuk: seems okay so far doing encrypted lvm over an existing lvm install and running the encrypted lvm at 50% of the drive just to try and stress it as much as possible :)
[12:25] <vuntz> pitti, seb128: there's a difference between logout and reboot???
[12:25] <pitti> vuntz: I only tested reboot, I rarely (if ever) log out
[12:25] <seb128> vuntz: logout ask if you want to close or save work, etc where restart acts as sudo reboot
[12:25] <vuntz> seb128: hrm
[12:26]  * seb128 hugs vuntz
[12:26] <seb128> vuntz: dude you rock, thanks for working on that ;-)
[12:26] <vuntz> bah
[12:27] <vuntz> stupid code
[12:27] <vuntz> indeed, reboot/shutdown are different
[12:27] <vuntz> I'll fix it this afternoon
[12:27] <vuntz> I'll need your help for testing, since I can't reboot my machine :-)
[12:28] <seb128> vuntz: sure, I can test easily and I'm happy to push updates to jaunty too ;-)
[12:29] <seb128> brb trying the gvfs update
[12:30] <pitti> vuntz: happy to do testing as well
[12:47] <crevette> thanks pitti for pushing vuntz' patch in bluez-gnome
[12:47] <pitti> crevette: you're welcome; I tested it with my mobile, and it works well
[12:47] <crevette> cool
[12:47] <pitti> I also informed ubuntu-doc@ and provided a screenshot
[12:48] <crevette> hopefully gnome-bluettho will be here for 9.10
[12:48] <crevette> I spent my week-end doing the documentation of gnome-bluetooth
[12:48] <crevette> and reporting bugs
[12:48] <pitti> crevette: sorry, there wasn't a patch to be sponsored, so I just applied it
[12:48] <pitti> crevette: g-bluetooth> indeed, crossing fingers
[12:48] <crevette> not a problem
[12:48] <pitti> bluez-gnome is an utter UI mess
[12:53] <crevette> gnome-bluetooth won't that different, except it is stripped from the analyser
[12:53] <crevette> I expect gnome-bluetooth to have better functionallity to connect to Audio gateway/headset, or printer
[12:53] <crevette> and Input devices
[12:53]  * pitti -> lunch, bbl
[12:54] <seb128> pitti: enjoy
[12:58] <davmor2> pitti: when you're back this afternoon I intend dedicating to the jockey err19 issue :)
[13:10] <kenvandine_wk> morning rickspencer3
[13:10] <rickspencer3> morning all
[13:11] <seb128> hello kenvandine_wk rickspencer3
[13:11] <kenvandine_wk> hey seb128
[13:11] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: how busy are you today?
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> i don't think very :)
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: you got gnome bumps coming?
[13:12] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: want to do some GNOME 2.26 updates?
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> of course :)
[13:14] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: was planning to work on bug 339847 today... but i think it needs a little more discussion first :)
[13:15] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: and ekiga
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-games-extra-data/2.26/gnome-games-extra-data-2.26.0.tar.gz http://download.gnome.org/sources/totem-pl-parser/2.26/totem-pl-parser-2.26.0.tar.gz http://download.gnome.org/sources/gedit-plugins/2.26/gedit-plugins-2.26.0.tar.gz
[13:15] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: you can pick any of those or work on ekiga as you want
[13:15] <kenvandine_wk> i'll take them all
[13:15] <seb128> ok good
[13:16] <seb128> when you done let me know if you want some other ones ;-)
[13:16] <kenvandine_wk> sure
[13:37] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[13:37] <pitti> good morning kenvandine_wk
[13:38] <rickspencer3> pitti: good morning
[13:39] <kenvandine_wk> hey pitti
[13:53] <pitti> hah!
[13:53] <pitti> I just ordered DSL, at last
[13:53] <pitti> available since today \o/
[13:54] <seb128> pitti: hey!
[13:55] <seb128> rock on ;-)
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - want me to do some updates later? you have to make the most of my time while you can, as I have no internet again in a few days ;)
[13:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson: let me know when you are ready to do some, I prefer to not block updates for "later" now but I'm sure we will still have some available ;-)
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem
[13:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson: how come you will have no internet again? still fighting with this download limit?
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> i terminated the contact with my ISP
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> i got sick of them when I had the fault on the line - they were absolutely useless. so I'm shopping around for a new provider now
[14:00] <seb128> ah ok
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> hopefully will only be a few days downtime
[14:00] <seb128> well, GNOME 2.26 is due this week
[14:00] <seb128> then you have a month until 2.26.1 ;-)
[14:05] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ISPs suck..
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> they do - i've had a terrible experience with every ISP i've been with. my last one continued billing me for months after I left, and kept threatening me with court action
[14:12] <salty-horse> chrisccoulson, hi. seen my message from before?
[14:14] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: did you see my comment on that update script bug?
[14:15] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: bug 340777
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> hi salty-horse. i'm at work at the moment, so i can't do anything. you could subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to your bug report though
[14:15] <salty-horse> ok chrisccoulson
[14:17] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: yes, thanks. I'm a bit lost currently what the problem is, but I will debug further when I'm finished with compiz
[14:22] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[14:35] <asac> ArneGoetje: ping
[14:43] <davmor2> pitti: Afternoon dude.  I'm installing Ubuntu fresh now and I'll back up the image this time and then start attacking that jockey err19 bug :)
[14:45] <pitti> davmor2: hey
[14:45] <pitti> davmor2: I read some more feedback on the bug report, and it only seems to crash after the driver install is fully done already
[14:46] <pitti> davmor2: I haven't found an nvidia system to experiment on yet, thoug
[14:46] <pitti> davmor2: I think I need to sprinkle lots of print statements into the code to narrow down where it crashes that way :(
[14:46] <pitti> davmor2: if you are a bit familiar with Python, and want to do that, please feel free,  of course :)
[14:46] <pitti> or if anyone can provide me with a root ssh on an nvidia system
[14:47] <davmor2> Yes pitti you get the 100% from the install bit, then bar starts to move left and right it's at that point that it crashes.
[14:47] <davmor2> pitti: the latter might be possible
[14:48] <pitti> maybe tseliot also has some time, I didn't talk to him
[14:48] <pitti> tseliot: did you happen to notice this IOError 19 crash? can you reproduce it on your system?
[14:49] <pitti> tseliot: in jockey, I mean, when installing nvidia
[14:49] <davmor2> pitti: give me a bit of time to get it setup I'm having to ues alternate ubiquity is temporarily fried
[14:49] <pitti> davmor2: sure, no hurry; I'm busy with something else ATM anyway :)
[14:50] <tseliot> pitti: yes, I noticed the bug report but I haven't had the time to reproduce the problem here yet
[14:51] <tseliot> pitti: I'll have a look at it ASAP
[14:51] <pitti> tseliot: thanks; sorry, I don't have any nvidia system myself any more
[14:52] <pitti> tseliot: it's utterly weird that there's no stack trace
[14:52] <tseliot> pitti: definitely
[15:00] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: I uploaded a new version now into my PPA for the panel adding thing, its very verbose now, so if it fails, hopefully we know this time why :)
[15:00] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[15:01] <kenvandine_wk> mvo will test after this meeting
[15:10] <ArneGoetje> asac: pong
[15:37] <crevette> it seems bluez 4.33 was released this week-end without an announcement
[15:52] <tedg> pitti: So, what makes sense now for sponsoring requests?  Now that there is a packaging branch with a shared history, it seems that it should be a merge request?  I thinking specifically of indicator-applet, but asking the question more generally.
[15:53] <pitti> tedg: in general, just tell the uploader where to merge from (upstream or packaging branch)
[15:53] <pitti> tedg: if you find the PPA useful still, and thus you continue to maintain the packaging branch, I guess it's easier for both of us to merge from that
[15:54] <pitti> tedg: If you don't need the packaging branch any more, then ignore it, and I'll merge fixes directly from upstream
[15:54] <tedg> pitti: Yeah, I've been using the packaging branch and changing your fixes in.
[15:54] <tedg> s/changing/merging/
[15:54] <pitti> tedg: right, I meant if you merge new versions from trunk to the packaging branch yourself
[15:55] <tedg> pitti: Yes, doing that too.
[15:55] <tedg> So I'll make a bug, and then in the text of the bug mention the merge?
[15:56] <pitti> tedg: I think you only need a merge request _or_ a sponsoring bug
[15:56] <tedg> pitti: Okay, will do.  Thanks!
[15:59] <pitti> tedg: easiest is probably to open a bug, say "please merge trunk", sub ubuntu-main-sponsors, done
[16:39] <pitti> davmor2, tseliot: hah! I nailed the jockey crash (IOError 19)
[16:39] <davmor2> pitti: cool :)
[16:40] <pitti> davmor2: still need the box a little more for actually fixing it, though
[16:40] <davmor2> pitti: np's
[16:40] <pitti> but it's great to be able to reproduce it, I can pinpoint the issue now
[16:41] <tseliot> pitti: what is it? Or when does it happen?
[16:41] <pitti> tseliot: it was thrown in the garbage collector
[16:41] <pitti> tseliot: I previously used
[16:41] <pitti>                     open(os.path.join(driver_path, 'unbind'), 'w').write(device)
[16:42] <pitti> and when closing that unnamed fd in the GC, I get this error
[16:42] <pitti> I added an explicit f.close() and now get the same error with proper stack trace
[16:42] <pitti> apparently that's just a quirk, and I can ignore the error
[16:42] <tseliot> very well
[17:11] <pitti> davmor2: hm, did you ever notice jockey's UI hang after installing the nvidia driver?
[17:11] <pitti> davmor2: this always seems to happen for me when I run it through ssh -X on your machine
[17:11]  * kenvandine_wk -> lunch
[17:11] <davmor2> pitti: no just dies
[17:11] <pitti> davmor2: I haven't tracked this down yet, but I can do so tomorrow morning if your machine is still up then
[17:11] <pitti> davmor2: "die" how? I get a hung UI
[17:12] <pitti> and I have to Ctrl-\ it
[17:12] <pitti> davmor2: anyway, I fixed the crash now, thanks so far!
[17:12] <pitti> davmor2: the hung UI still worries me, though
[17:13] <pitti> but -> tomorrow, need some dinner and then I have Taekwondo
[17:13] <davmor2> pitti: No probs I'll leave it up for you
[17:13] <pitti> davmor2: cheers
[17:14] <davmor2> pitti: do you want me to run jockey locally and see if it hangs?
[17:15] <pitti> davmor2: hang on
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 - any updates still left to do?
[17:18] <davmor2> pitti: by dies I mean that err19 issue crashed jockey out so you never got to see if it hung without the error in place
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> just got back from work now:)
[17:18] <pitti> davmor2: oh, interesting; for me the GUI stayed around
[17:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson: http://download.gnome.org/sources/totem/2.26/totem-2.26.0.tar.gz
[17:18] <pitti> davmor2: anyway, please give me a second
[17:18] <davmor2> np's
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll take care of that:)
[17:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-icon-theme/2.25/gnome-icon-theme-2.25.92.tar.gz
[17:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson: and http://download.gnome.org/sources/tracker/0.6/tracker-0.6.91.tar.gz if you want to look at this one too
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson: thank *you* for looking at those ;-)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> no problem:)
[17:21] <pitti> davmor2: ok, please reboot the box (I can't rmmod nvidia) and try enabling nvidia
[17:23] <davmor2> pitti: rebooting now
[17:23] <pitti> davmor2: @dinner, back in 30
[17:23] <davmor2> nps
[17:29] <davmor2> pitti: installed and crashed.  I've left the crash on the box.  The Hardware Drivers initial window stays up but then it always has for as long as I can remember to display the fact that you need to restart.
[17:30] <davmor2> pitti: I've not restarted the machine but can if you want
[17:30] <cassidy> seb128: hey. I just asked to libnice's maintainer and it said it would be good to have 0.0.5 in Jaunty if possible
[17:31] <cassidy> seb128: see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nice/2009-March/000278.html
[17:33] <seb128> cassidy: fine with me nothing use it right now
[17:33] <cassidy> seb128: yeah, just farsight2
[17:33] <seb128> cassidy: I will sync it
[17:33] <cassidy> seb128: great, thanks
[17:35] <crevette> cassidy: trying to get the latest release for telepathy ?
[17:35] <crevette> :)
[17:35] <cassidy> crevette: trying to get the best audio/video support in Jaunty actually :)
[17:35] <cassidy> crevette: the TP stack is pretty up to date now. see http://people.collabora.co.uk/~cassidy/tp-versions.html
[17:36] <crevette> and tp-gabble 0.7.23 is released?
[17:37] <crevette> telepathy applies the mantra "release early, release often" scrictly
[17:38] <cassidy> yeah, especially gabble
[17:38] <cassidy> crevette: btw, .22 should be in Jaunty now
[17:55] <pitti> davmor2: right, but you can't change anything in the window any more, right?
[17:55] <pitti> davmor2: will look at the .crash file, hang on
[17:56] <pitti> davmor2: ah, right, that was a typo of mine which I fixed in the tree, but not on your installed system
[17:56] <davmor2> pitti: I can click on the other options
[17:56] <pitti> davmor2: let me fix that, and clean up again
[17:57] <davmor2> pitti: the remove button changes to an activate button
[17:57] <pitti> davmor2: ok, so I'll disable the nvidia driver again
[17:57] <pitti> and clean up all remaints
[17:57] <davmor2> no probs
[17:58] <pitti> davmor2: when I'm done, I'd like you to reboot, enable nvidia in jockey, check that it doesn't crash, and that the UI still works after installing, and that nvidia is correctly installed
[17:58] <pitti> davmor2: ok, done
[17:58] <davmor2> so full reboot after jockey has finished then yes?
[17:59] <davmor2> pitti: ^
[17:59] <pitti> davmor2: no, first reboot, then enable nvidia in jockoey
[17:59] <pitti> davmor2: the machine is ready for reboot now
[17:59] <pitti> davmor2: I disabled the nvidia driver
[17:59] <davmor2> pitti: yes and after jockey has finished reboot again to ensure nvidia is correctly installed correct?
[18:00] <pitti> davmor2: right
[18:00] <pitti> davmor2: but before,
[18:00] <pitti> davmor2: please ensure that jockey GUI isn't stuck/hang after enabling nvidia
[18:00] <didrocks> Hi o/
[18:00] <pitti> i. e. you should still be able to click on the other drivers and see their description
[18:00] <seb128> hello didrocks
[18:00] <davmor2> I've rebooted and am now installing nvidia
[18:00] <seb128> didrocks: did you have a good weekend?
[18:00] <pitti> davmor2: and nvidia 180 should appear as enabled
[18:00] <didrocks> hello seb128 :-)
[18:00]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[18:01] <crevette> hey pitti, do you think it worth I asked to upgrade bluez to 4.33, a new release was out his morning with bunch of fixes
[18:01] <didrocks> seb128: very nice thanks! A beautiful weather and fresh snow :)
[18:01]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[18:01] <seb128> excellent ;-)
[18:01] <crevette> s/I asked/to ask/
[18:01] <didrocks> seb128: what about you? ;)
[18:02] <seb128> didrocks: no snow and too short but nice and relaxing ;-)
[18:02] <didrocks> great ;-)
[18:07] <davmor2> pitti: it's back up and correct with 180 installed.  Also I dropped a screenshot on the desktop for you to show that it's not locked up and to be sure that we are both talking about the same window :)
[18:07] <davmor2> no crash at all this time :)
[18:09] <seb128> didrocks: want some updates to do?
[18:09] <pitti> davmor2: rocking!
[18:09] <pitti> davmor2: thank you so much for testing
[18:10] <pitti> davmor2: so, I don't need the machine any more
[18:10] <davmor2> pitti: no thank you for fixing :)
[18:10] <didrocks> seb128: I'm reducing my "needs to be read" mail stack, but I can handle some in parallel :)
[18:13] <pitti> davmor2: oh, another thing
[18:13] <davmor2> pitti: yes
[18:13] <pitti> davmor2: could you disable nvidia again, and check that it removes nvidia-180-libvdpau and nvidia-settings, too?
[18:14] <pitti> davmor2: I fixed that too, but I forgot to check
[18:14] <davmor2> pitti: removing now
[18:16] <didrocks> seb128: did you receive my last message?
[18:16] <davmor2> pitti: running alt-f2 and typing in nv the only thing showing is nvidia-detector  I'm just checking synaptic
[18:16] <seb128> didrocks: no
[18:17] <seb128> gnome-session didn't like my g-s-d testing
 seb128: I'm reducing my "needs to be read" mail stack, but I  can handle some in parallel :)
[18:18] <seb128> didrocks: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtkmm/2.16/gtkmm-2.16.0.tar.gz http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-system-monitor/2.26/gnome-system-monitor-2.26.0.1.tar.gz
[18:18] <pitti> davmor2: dpkg -l 'nvidia*' | grep ^ii
[18:18] <seb128> I'm away for sport soon but I will be back for sponsoring and update in ~2 hours
[18:18] <didrocks> seb128: ok :)
[18:19] <seb128> bbl
[18:20] <davmor2> pitti: bunch of modaliases and nvidia-common
[18:20] <pitti> davmor2: perfect
[18:20]  * kenvandine_wk installs 647 updates
[18:20] <pitti> davmor2: thanks!
[18:20] <davmor2> np's
[18:20]  * pitti ^5s davmor2, great teamwork
[18:23] <davmor2> pitti: have fun at Taekwondo
[18:23] <pitti> davmor2: Kihap!
[18:24]  * calc is up to ~ 1000 lines for his new debian/rules file :\
[18:26] <didrocks> debhelper, cdbs rocks \o/
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> quilt is so annoying sometimes!
[18:31] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:33] <kenvandine_wk> good night pitti
[18:34] <davmor2> night pitti
[18:34] <mad4cron> Hello.  I'm experiencing a problem with crontab behaving differently on Desktop 8.04.2 and Server 8.04.2.  It involves non-root user, crontab, screen, and autossh.  I've detailed it on the forums here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1092972     Can anyone offer any advice?  Thanks.
[18:50] <maxb> mad4cron: Sounds highly likely to simply be that networking isn't up yet, so it fails.
[18:56] <mad4cron> cool.  i'll try to perform some checks.  thanks for the reply.
[19:08] <mad4cron> maxb:  brilliant.  output from ifconfig right before screen-autossh in crontab show no IP.  Thank you!  Do you have any advice on a work around?
[19:09] <mad4cron> i guess Static IP might be one (blush)
[19:09] <maxb> man autossh, /Startup behaviour
[19:10] <mad4cron> will do
[19:14] <mad4cron> maxb:  you are the man.  and i need to rtfm.  thank you!
[19:20] <dobey> doh. pitti is gone...
[19:20] <dobey> as is seb
[20:14] <dobey> hrmm, i wonder how to make a package install trigger an apt-get update afterward
[21:03] <didrocks> seb128: not too tired from the sport? :)
[21:04] <seb128> didrocks: no, there is a pile of tarballs to do I've to be full of energy for sponsoring and updates -)
[21:04] <seb128> ;-)
[21:05] <didrocks> seb128: the two packages are ready to get some sponsorship. I will get some rest now, but you can give me a bunch of update to proceed. I will do them tomorrow morning as a packager machine :)
[21:05] <seb128> didrocks: when do you start in the morning?
[21:05] <didrocks> seb128: just pv me them so that I can work early tomorrow. I will backlog
[21:05] <seb128> ok
[21:05] <didrocks> seb128: let's say 8-9 AM
[21:05] <seb128> I will see what is not done when I go to bed
[21:05] <seb128> have a good night
[21:06] <didrocks> thanks, have a good night too (and don't go to bed too late :p)
[21:06] <seb128> I start around 9am too so that will be alright
[21:06] <seb128> didrocks: thanks (yeah, will try)
[21:06] <didrocks> seb128: just give me one or two to be sure :)
[21:06] <didrocks> 'night ;)
[21:06] <seb128> didrocks: I will give you some in query before going to bed!
[21:06] <seb128> night
[21:17] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: do you want other updates to do?
[21:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson: or you? ;-)
[21:18] <seb128> lut huats
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm still busy with the other updates;)
[21:18] <seb128> ok good
[21:18] <seb128> I'm catching up on sponsoring and updates now after sport and dinner
[21:19] <seb128> Laney: there is bug #343650 to sponsor if you want to help on reviewing ;-)
[21:19] <Laney> seb128: wanna trade for miro? ;)
[21:19] <seb128> Laney: no thanks ;-)
[21:19] <Laney> BAH
[21:20] <Laney> I feel responsible yet can't fix it
[21:20] <Laney> what a terrible situation
[21:20] <Laney> anyway I'll look at this
[21:20] <seb128> Laney: hum, depends in fact, want to do the 36 remaining GNOME tarballs in exchange? ;-)
[21:20] <Laney> haha
[21:20] <Laney> I'll do some
[21:20] <dobey> 36?
[21:20] <seb128> if you want to do some updates let me know
[21:20] <dobey> seb128: btw i released intltool 0.40.6 the other day
[21:20] <seb128> dobey: yes, do you think it's a lot? ;-)
[21:20] <dobey> i still have to release gnome-icon-theme yet though :)
[21:21] <seb128> dobey: yes, I've seen thanks, it's in jaunty since this afternoon
[21:21] <dobey> nice :)
[21:21]  * Laney will be seeking FFe for gnome-do later
[21:21] <seb128> Laney: I can have a look to that if you have a bug report
[21:22] <Laney> seb128: Thanks, just waiting for upstream to release a new tarball
[21:22] <seb128> ok
[21:22] <Laney> bundled binary libs are no fun
[21:22] <seb128> indeed
[21:25] <seb128> dobey: jaunty also has icon-naming-utils 0.8.90 for a week btw
[21:25] <Laney> huh, weird
[21:25] <Laney> kenvandine_wk: Why are all of the plugins in the long description duplicated?
[21:25] <dobey> seb128: i saw, thanks. i don't think tango-icon-theme has been updated though has it?
[21:26] <seb128> dobey: no, it has been updated in debian this weekend though so I will have a look after the GNOME 2.26 rush
[21:27] <dobey> seb128: great. i wonder if debian updated the copyright/license info properly
[21:27] <seb128> dobey: I think they did, http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tango-icon-theme/news/20090315T115942Z.html
[21:27] <seb128> "   * Adapted `debian/copyright' to the new Public Domain licensing."
[21:28] <dobey> cool
[21:28] <dobey> yeah
[21:29] <dobey> doh, i don't think my python-xdot packages built correctly :(
[21:31] <Laney> guh
[21:31] <Laney> I'm just going to remove the dupes and upload
[21:35] <seb128> Laney: they were already there in the previous version?
[21:35] <Laney> yeah
[21:35] <Laney> can't see why though
[21:35] <seb128> could be coming from debian or a typo or something
[21:37] <Laney> nope
[21:37] <Laney> (not Debian)
[21:37] <Laney> oh well
[21:41] <Laney> seb128: Done
[21:41] <Laney> wanna toss me some upgrades?
[21:41] <seb128> Laney: thanks!
[21:41] <Laney> universe ones if you have any
[21:41] <seb128> Laney: http://download.gnome.org/sources/swfdec-gnome/2.26/swfdec-gnome-2.26.0.tar.gz
[21:42] <Laney> cool
[21:42] <seb128> Laney: most of the updates are in main but I'm happy to upload for you if you want to do some extra ones there ;-)
[21:42] <Laney> sure
[21:43] <Laney> just killing time until the gnome-do guys reappear
[21:48] <seb128> Laney: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk-engines/2.18/gtk-engines-2.18.0.tar.gz if you want to do it next
[21:50] <seb128> tedg: there?
[21:51] <tedg> seb128: yes.
[21:51] <seb128> tedg: do you know how does those request for merging work?
[21:51] <seb128> tedg: am I supposed to do anything on launchpad out of the bzr merge and upload?
[21:52] <tedg> seb128: I think it all has to be done outside of LP today.
[21:52] <seb128> ok
[21:52] <tedg> seb128: I'm not sure though, there seems to be alot of changes going on there.
[21:52] <seb128> you did some weird changes to the changelog
[21:53] <tedg> seb128: https://launchpad.net/tarmac  -- I think that's supposed to help, but I haven't used it.
[21:53] <tedg> What changes were weird?
[21:53] <tedg> In the middle versions, or the final diff?
[21:53] <seb128> I think it's the diff acting weirdly
[21:54] <seb128> - -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:38 +0100
[21:54] <seb128> + -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>  Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:12:01 +0100
[21:54] <seb128>  
[21:54] <seb128> for example
[21:54] <seb128> rather than just having new revisions in the changelog it shows a mix of changes
[21:55] <tedg> Hmm, that is odd.  I looked at the diffs that LP made and they looked fine.
[21:55] <seb128> the diff is correct
[21:55] <seb128> bzr diff -r135..144 is weird
[21:56] <seb128> anyway I've other thinkgs to do that trying to understand that, the diff looks fine, sponsoring now
[21:56] <seb128> hum
[21:56] <seb128> tedg: where is the 0.1.2 tarball? ;-)
[21:56] <tedg> seb128: https://launchpad.net/indicator-applet/+download
[21:57] <seb128> tedg: you should add a watch file so they are downloaded automatically ;-)
[21:57] <seb128> thanks
[21:57] <tedg> I've never done that before.  How does that work?
[21:58] <seb128> tedg: copy a GNOME one or man uscan
[21:59] <seb128> tedg: it's basically a regexp describing where to get tarballs
[21:59] <tedg> Okay, I'll look into that.  Hopefully no more releases on these packages for Jaunty.
[21:59] <seb128> it lists whatever matches the regexp and get you the most recent version
[21:59] <seb128> ie you bzr get && bzr-buildpackage
[21:59] <seb128> and it downloads the tarball for you and start the build
[21:59] <seb128> nothing to do
[22:02] <seb128> tedg: you need to update the libindicate0 shlibs version
[22:02] <seb128> tedg: do you want me to do that before uploading?
[22:03] <tedg> seb128: Yes, please do.
[22:03] <tedg> seb128: I forgot to make that part of the build.
[22:04] <Laney> uh
[22:04] <tedg> BTW, the next upload of the messaging indicator will have the libs better like you asked for in Berlin.  Got that straightened out too.
[22:04] <seb128> tedg: better?
[22:04] <Laney> Is something up with the i386 buildds?
[22:05] <tedg> seb128: It's a module, but was installing versioned libraries even though it didn't use them.
[22:05] <seb128> ah right
[22:05] <seb128> Laney: why?
[22:05] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit-plugins/2.26.0-0ubuntu1/+build/906753/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.gedit-plugins_2.26.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:05] <Laney> seb128: check ^
[22:06] <seb128> Laney:
[22:06] <seb128> dpkg: error processing fontconfig-config (--configure):
[22:06] <seb128>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[22:06] <seb128> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libfontconfig1:
[22:07] <seb128> Laney: give it a retry, seem so to be an install glitch
[22:07] <Laney> I got it for something I uploaded to my PPA too
[22:07] <Laney> let's see if swfdec fails also
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> totem has failed to build with the same error
[22:11] <seb128> asac: ^
[22:11] <seb128> apparently asac broke fontconfig
[22:11] <asac> seb128: oops.let me check
[22:12] <seb128> asac: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" on all the buildds
[22:12] <seb128> asac: good time, in the middle of GNOME 2.26 uploads ...
[22:12] <asac> waiting for the log
[22:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've nearly done the gnome-icon-theme update
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> i've struggled several times to get it to build, due to one of the patches though
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> 1 of the patches seems to have some hand edits to a Makefile.in, and it needed updating to get it to apply. i couldn't get it to build regardless of what i did with the patch though, so i've created an autotools.patch and just run autoreconf to update everything properly, and it seems to build ok now
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> is that ok?
[22:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson: yes, it's better, I need to complain to pitti tomorrow about sponsoring the edited by hand version ;-)
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll submit it with the properly generated patch then. it's much easier than trying to figure out how to edit Makefiles...
[22:17] <seb128> indeed
[22:29] <asac> as usually when you want to setup a clean chroot to test network gets bad and slow
[22:42] <Laney> gah
[22:42] <Laney> gnome-do guy forgot to merge my branch
[22:43] <Laney> released an identical tarball as the previous release ¬_¬
[22:43]  * Laney does gtk-engines
[22:49] <asac> i think chroot creating approaches phase 2 ;)
[22:54]  * asac hands a turbo boost to debootstrap ... need to reset my AP to get rid of slowness
[23:20] <asac> seb128: ok. i think i got it.
[23:20] <asac> seb128: if you give me a list of failed packages i can retry them when built ;)
[23:20] <seb128> asac: just ask infinity or a buildd admin to retry everything which failed when it will be fixed
[23:24] <Laney> seb128: hit me with another update
[23:24] <asac> seb128: we can hit retry on our own if we know the package
[23:25] <Laney> asac: Is it fixed? I can retry swfdec-gnome
[23:25] <seb128> asac: there is like 15 of those which failed on all arches and retries this way get the lower score possible
[23:25] <asac> Laney: err .... i am doing some final tests. will upload there
[23:25] <Laney> ok
[23:25] <Laney> that's a package you can use to test
[23:25] <seb128> asac: which means we will get GNOME 2.26 several days after the official days if we do that and buildds are busy
[23:25] <asac> seb128: buildds are idle ;)
[23:26] <seb128> asac: ok, so fix fontconfig and I will retry everything I uploaded
[23:26] <asac> seb128: do you upload more?
[23:26] <seb128> asac: I will not stop packaging GNOME 2.26 because you broke the buildds, yes I keep uploading ;-)
[23:26] <dobey> seb128: are you familiar with the ways of packaging a single python file as a module? i think i did it wrong, but i copied the stuff from python-coverage which seems to be a single module too... but i don't know what i did wrong
[23:27] <seb128> dobey: where is your source package? and what issue do you get?
[23:27] <asac> seb128: use >= ubuntu9 then ;)
[23:27] <dobey> seb128: https://edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/+archive/ppa
[23:27] <dobey> seb128: the package seems to not have the module :-/
[23:28] <seb128> asac: I don't like to false the requirements only to avoid buildd retries ;-)
[23:29] <seb128> Laney: http://download.gnome.org/sources/zenity/2.26/zenity-2.26.0.tar.gz
[23:29] <seb128> dobey: looking
[23:29] <asac> seb128: ok uploaded ... installed cleanly now in fresh chroot.
[23:30] <dobey> seb128: thanks much
[23:30] <seb128> asac: thanks for the quick fixing
[23:30] <asac> np. sorry for the hick-up.
[23:31] <asac> its postinst magic i felt safe about ;) ... but then i forgot to look into what debconf module does when there is no debconf anymore ;)
[23:31] <asac> seb128: i will retry gedit manually when that thing has build. will let you know when that is confirmed
[23:31] <seb128> asac: ok thanks
[23:32]  * asac now pays the bill and stays awake longer ;)
[23:32] <XiXaQ> seb128: do you follow evolutions mailinglist? There was an interesting discussion there regarding syncevolution and genesis the last few days.
[23:33] <seb128> XiXaQ: no
[23:33] <XiXaQ> perhaps there is an archive on the web somewhere.
[23:33] <seb128> dobey: "python setup.py build" seems to do nothing there
[23:33] <seb128> XiXaQ: there is for sure but it's past midnight and I still have around 30 GNOME 2.26 tarballs on my todolist so now is not the time to look at this
[23:34] <seb128> dobey:
[23:34] <seb128> $ python setup.py build
[23:34] <seb128> running build
[23:34] <seb128> running build_py
[23:34] <seb128> file coverage.py (for module coverage) not found
[23:34] <XiXaQ> seb128: ok :)
[23:34] <dobey> huh
[23:34] <huats> seb128: hey
[23:34] <seb128> lut huats
[23:34] <huats> just so that you know I am taking care of anjuta and gcalctool tomorrow...
[23:34] <seb128> huats: thanks
[23:34] <huats> no pb
[23:34] <dobey> how stupid of me!
[23:34] <huats> sorry I cannot help a lot more right now...
[23:35] <seb128> huats: that's ok, bad timing for GNOME 2.26 apparently, didrocks was skiing and you were not around either
[23:35] <huats> yeah...
[23:35] <huats> 2.26.1 will be better...
[23:36] <Ampelbein> seb128: is it ok if i do seahorse-plugins update?
[23:36] <huats> but anyway I will try to help out a bit...
[23:36] <seb128> huats: let's see ;-)
[23:36] <seb128> Ampelbein: yes
[23:36] <Ampelbein> cool.
[23:36] <huats> seb128: how the release is going on so far ?
[23:36] <seb128> huats: that's ok, we are updates under control, do anjuta and gcalctool that's enough
[23:36] <huats> ok great
[23:36] <seb128> huats: it was going good until asac decide to break fontconfig which avoid anything to build tonight
[23:37] <huats> héhé
[23:38] <asac> the night is still long :-P
[23:39] <Ampelbein> seb128: bug #343968 . since seahorse-plugins has a bzr branch, i pushed the changes to my lp-codepage. should i propose the merging to the official desktop-team branch or can i leave it as it is?
[23:39] <dobey> seb128: thanks for pointing out my blatent stupidity :)
[23:40] <seb128> Ampelbein: that's good like that, the extra lp feature doesn't bring anything useful there
[23:40] <seb128> dobey: you're welcome ;-)
[23:41] <seb128> Ampelbein: want to do an another update?
[23:41] <Ampelbein> seb128: sure, plenty of time tonight.
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've done gnome-icon-theme now. i won't get a chance to do tracker this evening, but i'll do it tomorrow if nobody else wants to do it first
[23:42] <seb128> Ampelbein: http://download.gnome.org/sources/glade3/3.6/glade3-3.6.0.tar.gz
[23:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson: there is no hurry tomorrow is fine it's yours, thanks!
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - did you have a chance to see the gnome-media changes i did?
[23:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I've seen the mail and I will look at it later I just wanted to get the "easy updates" done first ;-)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[23:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson: btw you are welcome to update gnome-media to 2.26 too tomorrow if you want
[23:43] <seb128> so I can review both ;-)
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can do that. save on sponsoring effort too ;)
[23:47] <huats> seb128: do you know if someone is handling the gdl udpdate ?
[23:47] <seb128> huats: you? ;-)
[23:48] <huats> seb128: lol
[23:48] <huats> ok
[23:48] <huats> Ampelbein: you are taking care of glade ?
[23:48] <Ampelbein> huats: yes
[23:48] <huats> ok great
[23:48] <huats> Ampelbein: I need it for anjuta :)
[23:49] <Ampelbein> huats: will do my very best. currently building it with pbuilder.
[23:49] <huats> ok great Ampelbein
[23:49] <huats> don't worry I have other stuffs to update forst
[23:49] <huats> first
[23:50] <Laney> hah
[23:50] <Laney> seb128: I have time for one more
[23:51] <seb128> Laney: http://download.gnome.org/sources/yelp/2.26/yelp-2.26.0.tar.gz
[23:51] <Laney> got it
[23:51] <seb128> Laney: or http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-menus/2.26/gnome-menus-2.26.0.tar.gz
[23:51] <seb128> Laney: yelp might be slightly non trivial so maybe better gnome-menus
[23:52] <seb128> Laney: yelp has a rosetta translation patch, you need to ask translation export to update the patch, copy the pos in the po directory, etc
[23:53] <Laney> guh
[23:53] <Laney> I know nothing about that
[23:53] <seb128> right
[23:53] <seb128> do gnome-menus ;-)
[23:53] <Laney> ok
[23:53] <Laney> maybe next time I can learn...
[23:54] <seb128> well you can do it if you want
[23:54] <Laney> nah, need a quick one
[23:54] <seb128> the thing is that translated xml are build at build time, ie it doesn't use gettext to get translations at runtime
[23:54] <vuntz> seb128: stop highlighting in my irc client by saying gnome-menus!
[23:54] <Laney> need to get to bed
[23:54] <seb128> vuntz: ;-)
[23:54] <seb128> vuntz: stop rolling tarballs!
[23:57] <dobey> speaking of rolling tarballs
[23:58] <dobey> just uploaded gnome-icon-theme-2.26.0.tar.gz :)