[15:55] <knome> somebody here for the cooperation meeting?
[16:00] <knome> anybody for the cooperation meeting? let's start in a few minutes.
[16:00] <cody-somerville> I'm here
[16:02]  * charlie-tca waves
[16:03] <knome> right, so anybody *not* from xubuntu here?
[16:03]  * tgm4883 isn't from xubuntu
[16:03] <knome> ok. let's wait for a few more minutes for people to arrive
[16:04] <tgm4883> not sure what happens in this meeting, but Mythbuntu people are here
[16:04] <knome> tgm4883, you can see the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cooperation
[16:04] <tgm4883> knome, thanks
[16:05] <knome> let's start then, shall we
[16:05] <knome> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:05. The chair is knome.
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[16:06] <knome> So we're here to discuss about the things raised up in UDS Jaunty
[16:07] <knome> We have a set of notes collected from the meeting on the wiki
[16:07] <knome> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cooperation
[16:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cooperation
[16:07] <knome> You can also see through the agenda we have today from the wiki
[16:07] <knome> [TOPIC] Making and keeping contact lists up-to-date
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Making and keeping contact lists up-to-date
[16:08] <knome> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[16:08] <knome> there is a contact/team list in the ubuntu wiki, which happens to be quite outdated.
[16:09] <knome> not all teams are even listed in it.
[16:10]  * tgm4883 will get mythbuntu on there an up to date
[16:10] <knome> what happens, when somebody wants to contact a team or several teams? where can he find the team leader contact information?
[16:10] <knome> [ACTION] tgm4883 will add MythBuntu to the Teams list
[16:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tgm4883 will add MythBuntu to the Teams list
[16:11] <knome> this is also not the only place where we have outdated information
[16:12] <knome> however as we have so little people taking part, i'll send a mail about this to the ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[16:12] <knome> [ACTION] knome mails ubuntu-devel@ ML about keeping the Teams list up-to-date
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  knome mails ubuntu-devel@ ML about keeping the Teams list up-to-date
[16:12] <knome> [TOPIC] Making functional teams healthy again
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Making functional teams healthy again
[16:14] <knome> there was also discussion about the unhealthy functional teams at uds
[16:14] <knome> especially artwork team was raised up
[16:15] <knome> i've been hanging aroud their IRC channel a while and i can't say it's unhealthy, but it's very ubuntu (desktop) centric.
[16:15] <knome> there isn't really any conversation about the xubuntu, kubuntu or mythbuntu artwork
[16:16] <knome> any ideas how to get cooperation working better?
[16:16] <knome> how can we contact the artists within several flavor teams?
[16:16] <Riddell> in kubuntu we are happy using KDE artwork for the most part
[16:16] <tgm4883> well for the most part, mythbuntu artwork consists of themes for mythtv, which we have been having conversations about in our own channel
[16:17] <tgm4883> We felt it better this way as mythtv themes have zero relevance in other distros
[16:17] <knome> Riddell, what about countdown banners or wallpapers?
[16:18] <Riddell> knome: wallpapers are from KDE.  countdown banners we're done separately before
[16:19] <knome> tgm4883, i see your point there. we also develop and discuss about xubuntu artwork on our own channel, but i've asked for some feedback for them on the artwork channel
[16:20] <knome> Riddell, right. have your artists followed the ubuntu-artwork list and looked at what they were doing with the banners
[16:20] <knome> i feel the artwork channel should be a place to discuss every piece of artwork made
[16:21] <knome> and for artists, a place to get feedback from other artists, not only developers
[16:22] <knome> Riddell, tgm4883: can you think of pointing your artists to show off their stuff to ubuntu-artwork list or irc channel?
[16:22] <knome> personally i'd like to see what's going on because we could greatly benefit from the work of others
[16:23] <tgm4883> i'll point our art team to show their work in the ubuntu-artwork channel, there are only two members on that team so I don't guarentee that they will develop the themes in that channel though
[16:23] <tgm4883> but i'll get them to at least show their work
[16:24] <knome> [IDEA] Team leaders to encourage artists to show off their artwork in the artwork team IRC channel and/or mailing list
[16:24] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Team leaders to encourage artists to show off their artwork in the artwork team IRC channel and/or mailing list
[16:24] <knome> tgm4883, right. thanks. i think that's valuable.
[16:24] <Riddell> knome: we don't have artists
[16:25] <knome> Riddell, right. so you would greatly benefit if the artwrok team could work on several flavors rather than sticking to just one?
[16:26] <knome> *the people in the artwork team
[16:27] <knome> i remember somebody saying that ubuntu studio is quite full of artists and they don't have tasks to work on. maybe they could help you.
[16:27] <knome> Riddell, do we agree? :)
[16:28] <tgm4883> well if Riddell doesn't want there help, i'm sure we can find something for them to do ;)
[16:28] <knome> right.
[16:28] <knome> [ACTION] team leader to encourage artists to work cross-flavorwise.
[16:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  team leader to encourage artists to work cross-flavorwise.
[16:29] <knome> [ACTION] Team leaders to inform the artwork team for job opporunities (Ubuntu Wanted)
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Team leaders to inform the artwork team for job opporunities (Ubuntu Wanted)
[16:29] <knome> somebody has any comments?
[16:30] <knome> ok, let's move to the next item.
[16:31] <knome> [TOPIC] Restarting art.ubuntu.com
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Restarting art.ubuntu.com
[16:31] <knome> again, i'm referring to the UDS session
[16:32] <knome> i don't think we can get really anywhere here as we don't have many artists here, so let's skip this topic if nobody wants to say anything?
[16:33] <knome> [TOPIC] Mailing list for flavor cooperation
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mailing list for flavor cooperation
[16:33] <knome> again, i'm referring to UDS session...
[16:34] <knome> when we had the session, we decided to set up a mailing list for all kind of cross-flavor information and cooperation things
[16:35] <knome> Luis Guimera (luisbg) volunteered to create the list, but i don't know about the current state
[16:35] <knome> [ACTION] knome to poke luisbg about the cooperation list
[16:35] <MootBot> ACTION received:  knome to poke luisbg about the cooperation list
[16:36] <knome> [TOPIC] Monthly coordination meetings
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Monthly coordination meetings
[16:37] <knome> we had a discussion about monthly coordination meetings like this with Emmet (persia)
[16:37] <knome> i see quite a little sense to pick any dates here as we have such a lousy participation
[16:38] <knome> i personally think we would benefit from this kinds of meetings
[16:38] <knome> if we had enough people to participate and from different teams
[16:39] <knome> any comments on this?
[16:40] <cody-somerville> What would we talk about?
[16:40] <knome> any arisen issues and needs for cooperation.
[16:40] <knome> decisions which would affect other flavors
[16:41] <knome> decisions meaning changing something in a package
[16:42] <knome> i talked with robbie williamson from foundations and he also took note that they could try to inform about things maybe broken a bit better
[16:42] <knome> the meeting could be a good place to discuss those
[16:43] <knome> it's also valuable to know how things are coming up on a different flavor
[16:43] <knome> maybe there is something they might need a helping hand but are not quite sure where to ask
[16:44] <knome> if you look at the wiki page, there is also some issues that arose in the uds session
[16:45] <knome> any comments?
[16:47] <knome> right...
[16:49] <knome> [ACTION] knome will talk with people and set up a new meeting for april if it seems worthwhile
[16:49] <MootBot> ACTION received:  knome will talk with people and set up a new meeting for april if it seems worthwhile
[16:50] <knome> [TOPIC] Any other arisen discussions
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other arisen discussions
[16:50] <knome> anything you want to say?
[16:52] <knome> i talked with _MMA_ and i see this is something people have tried to get up earlier.
[16:53] <knome> maybe we can't get it working now either or maybe we can.
[16:53] <knome> let's end this meeting as it's starting to be a monologue.
[16:54] <knome> thanks for participating and sorry it turned out that there was not much people to have discussions.
[16:54] <knome> #endmeeting
[16:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:54.