[00:01] <Mr_Grieves||> Hmm, I ran sudo m-a a-i fglrx and it fails immediately with an empty build log.
[00:01] <Ace2017_-> it depends a lot on drivers though
[00:01] <Ace2017_-> !fglrx
[00:01] <iwantfool> guys every time i run alt+f2 and then synaptic it tells me that it doesn't run in administrative mode
[00:01] <iwantfool> what should i do?
[00:02] <Ace2017_-> gksu synaptic
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: use kdesudo synaptic
[00:02] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: he is using gnome
[00:02] <Ace2017_-> hang on
[00:02] <iwantfool> so alt+f2 is not for admin
[00:02] <Ace2017_-> !ubuntu
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> Ace2017_-: i guessed kde as this is #kubuntu
[00:02] <Ace2017_-> alt+f2 is for running programs, whatever programs they may be
[00:03] <iwantfool> but not in admin mode
[00:03] <dr_willis> run it from the menus.. and i think it asks for the password first
[00:03] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: yea, just thought you might like to know
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> Ace2017_-: cool, ty
[00:03] <dr_willis> or use alt-f2 gksudo whatever
[00:03] <iwantfool> and why did you say gnome lacks functionality?
[00:03] <Ace2017_-> menus are so slow, you have to click like 3 times to get to stuff
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: add gksudo to the start of any app you want to run with admin access
[00:03] <iwantfool> btw apt-get upgade is still running
[00:03] <dr_willis> !sudo | iwantfool
[00:04] <iwantfool> ok
[00:04] <dr_willis> iwantfool:  you dont want to run more then 1 package manager tool.command at a time
[00:04] <iwantfool> you mean sudo not gksudo
[00:04] <dr_willis> iwantfool:  if you have never updated/upgraded that new install.. then it may take some time.
[00:04] <Ace2017_-> you might want to treat this install as a breakable one, backup everything
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: no i mean gksudo
[00:04] <dr_willis> I mean !sudo as in a bot command. :)
[00:04] <iwantfool> Ace2017_ gnome is more resource efficient
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: sudo is for cli apps ONLY, gksudo is for graphical apps
[00:05] <dr_willis> sudo can some times work for gui apps. :) but its best to not use it for them
[00:05] <iwantfool> ah ok
[00:05] <dr_willis> !info sux
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: sudo for gui apps doesnt set up the environment correctly for grahical apps
[00:05] <iwantfool> i've never read that for kde applications
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: its standard in all *buntus and distros using sudo
[00:06] <Ace2017_-> dr_willis: whats the difference between sux and kdesu? sux newer, also better?
[00:06] <dr_willis> sux newer? the exact opposite..
[00:06] <dr_willis> sux has been around since befor kde i belive.. :)
[00:06] <iwantfool> anyway i am waiting the upgrade to finish and then install the graphic card drivers from system->administration->hardware drivers
[00:07] <dr_willis> sux is not a gui interface. its a alternative to doing sudo -s, and fighting with the X credentials.
[00:07] <dr_willis> so you proberly dont need sux. :) but im used to useing it from years of ussage
[00:08] <dr_willis> But what if you were not using KDE or Gnome,   so had neitehr kdesudo or gksudo?
[00:08] <dr_willis> :)
[00:08] <iwantfool> guys i heard it's not good to use both apt-get and synaptic
[00:08] <iwantfool> is it true?
[00:08] <dr_willis> iwantfool:  they are both front ends to the same stuff..
[00:08] <Ace2017_-> yes
[00:08] <dr_willis> so it dosent matter.  it pays to learn apt-get
[00:08] <iwantfool> so yes or no...
[00:08] <Ace2017_-> learn to use aptitude aptitude
[00:09] <Ace2017_-> aptitude
[00:09] <iwantfool> okdude ;)
[00:09] <dr_willis> from what i gather now a days aptitude these days is not as needed as it once was.. and i HAVE had aptitude do some weird things
[00:09] <dr_willis> so i never use it
[00:09] <dr_willis> it once removed 300 packages..  then reinstalled them...
[00:09] <dr_willis> never did figure out why
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: you caan use any you like, just not at the same time as only one app can access the packages at one time
[00:09] <GWild> !apt-get
[00:10] <Ace2017_-> dr_willis: yea it likes to remove unrequired pacakges
[00:10] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: That's the site I've been trying to use to get fglrx running, but it doesn't have instructions for 8.10 and the ones for 8.04 aren't working :/
[00:10] <dr_willis> but these were required.. heh..
[00:11] <Mr_Grieves||> I've installed all the apt packages for fglrx, but module assistant isn't building it. Any ideas what I could still be missing?
[00:11] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: first sudo m-a update, then m-a a-i fglrx
[00:12] <Mr_Grieves||> Ok.
[00:13] <Mr_Grieves||> "Build of the package fglrx-kernel-source failed!" No luck -- and the log is empty
[00:13] <Ace2017_-> doesn't say why? do you have kernel headers installed?
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> Mr_Grieves||: kernel headers maybe
[00:14] <Mr_Grieves||> Heh that's probably it. I'm used to Gentoo, where if you don't have the headers, you don't have a kernel ;)
[00:14] <iwantfool> ok guys i think it got installed i need to restart
[00:14] <Mr_Grieves||> Is there a reason that the headers wouldn't be pulled in with the fglrx stuff?
[00:14] <iwantfool> how will i really know that my drivers got installed?
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> Mr_Grieves||: ubuntu is binary based so having only the binary is acceptable
[00:15] <Ace2017_-> iwantfool: what did you install?
[00:15] <iwantfool> drivers of video card
[00:15] <iwantfool> nvidia geforce
[00:15] <Ace2017_-> how?
[00:15] <Ace2017_-> reboot and run glxgears
[00:16] <iwantfool> from system->administration->hardware drivers
[00:16] <Mr_Grieves||> ActionParsnip: But if the headers are needed to set up fglrx...? :)
[00:16] <iwantfool> and it found automatically that i needed them
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> Mr_Grieves||: if the compile is failing then yes
[00:16] <iwantfool> so what happens when you run them? i can run them now...
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: glxgears is a poor 3d tester
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> iwantfool: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[00:17] <Mr_Grieves||> Hrm, the headers have been installed all along :/
[00:17] <moreno> IMPORTANT: A SPACECRAFT UNUTILIZED A MISSIL WHITH LAZER
[00:17] <Ace2017_-> moreno: ???
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> !caps | moreno
[00:17] <iwantfool> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1)
[00:17] <iwantfool> n
[00:17] <moreno> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIYpdBJxxdI
[00:18] <Ace2017_-> moreno: #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:18] <iwantfool> ok i'll just restart
[00:18] <moreno> fodase
[00:18] <iwantfool> c u....
[00:18] <Ace2017_-> bue
[00:18] <Ace2017_-> bye
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> he need to: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[00:19] <Mr_Grieves||> Hrm it's not the headers -- any other ideas why module-assistant won't build fglrx?
[00:19] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: nope
[00:19] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: ubuntu so he used the auto installer thing
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> if he's using intrepid, yep
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-glx-177
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> search that page for 8600
[00:20] <Ace2017_-> 177 is way old
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> its not a case of old, its what works
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> he coiuld try the 180
[00:21] <moreno> Ace2017_-, kiko
[00:21] <GWild> fwiw - I had issues w/ 177 and 180 cleared them up...
[00:22] <GWild> with a 6200
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> GWild: my 6250 works awesome with 177
[00:22] <Ace2017_-> well when you update to 180 you'll realise what you are missing
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> 6150 sorry
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> i tried the 180, it was horrible
[00:23] <Ace2017_-> 180.29?
[00:23] <Ace2017_-> 180.35 is broken
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> games ran not nearly as well as they did with the 177
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> Ace2017_-: how can I get 180.29 is .35 is out and will suprceed it?
[00:25] <GWild> ActionParsnip: Ya, could be a function of the other system hw.  177 gave me really bad 'vid lines'
[00:25] <rodrigo> alguien habla español
[00:25] <GWild> !es
[00:25] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: google
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> well what i have aint broken, so im not gonna fix it
[00:26] <GWild> same here
[00:26] <Ace2017_-> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1927376
[00:27]  * Mr_Grieves|| misses nvidia
[00:27]  * Ace2017_- also misses nvidia
[00:27] <Ace2017_-> i run fglrx now, used to use the onboard nvidia, about the same performance
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Ace2017_-: why are there 3 run files for 1 driver?
[00:28] <Ace2017_-> but i don't play games only run kde4
[00:28] <Mr_Grieves||> I never had this much trouble installing their drivers, though. I have the headers, everything with fglrx in the name, and module-assistant is still failing.
[00:28] <Mr_Grieves||> And the lack of info in the log is probably the most frustrating bit.
[00:28] <Ace2017_-> ActionParsnip: get the 0.run i did find the difference but can't remember what it was but i do remember that i only needed 0.run
[00:28] <k0pp> configure: error: The important program dcopidl was not found!  Please check whether you installed KDE correctly
[00:28] <k0pp> it is.
[00:29] <k0pp> i'm trying to install PerlQt Designer
[00:29] <k0pp> anyone  know where ican find 'dcopidl'?
[00:29] <k0pp> i cant find it anywhere,
[00:30] <Ace2017_-> k0pp: kdelibs4-dev
[00:30] <k0pp> aahh thank you.
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> i'll give it a whack, i need a project
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> brb
[00:31] <iwantfool> hello guys
[00:32] <iwantfool> so how do i check that the drivers of my video card are correctly installed?
[00:32] <Ace2017_-> glxinfo
[00:32] <Ace2017_-> and glxgears
[00:35] <GWild> is 1000+ fps good?
[00:35] <k0pp> GWild, i believe so.
[00:35] <GWild> k0pp: k, thx
[00:36] <iwantfool> Ace that is not helping
[00:36] <iwantfool> come one...
[00:42] <Ace2017_-> iwantfool: run glxinfo in the command line
[00:43] <Ace2017_-> you're looking for:  server glx vendor string: NVIDIA
[00:43] <Ace2017_-> also direct rendering: Yes
[00:43] <iwantfool> nvidia-settings
[00:44] <iwantfool> it's installed :)
[00:44] <iwantfool> that#s their interface to work with your card :)
[00:44] <Ace2017_-> run glxgears
[00:44] <iwantfool> it runs
[00:44] <iwantfool> but it runed even before the nvidia
[00:44] <iwantfool> so forget about that stupid program
[00:45] <dr_willis> :) its a speed test to see if the nvidia drivers are working
[00:45] <dr_willis> but glxinfo is a better tool for that.
[00:46] <Ace2017_-> has anyone run glxgears overnight?
[00:47] <Ace2017_-> dr_willis: is glxgears on nvidia and ati comparable?
[00:49] <dr_willis> glxgears shoudl work with both
[00:49] <dr_willis> ati has their own variant fglrx_gears i think
[00:49] <iwantfool> guys thank you very much :)
[00:49] <iwantfool> i owe you
[00:49] <dr_willis> its just shows fps..  not much of a test. :)
[00:49] <iwantfool> if you want anything just tell me
[00:49] <Ace2017_-> but can you compare fps vales on nvidia and ati?
[00:50] <dr_willis> glxgears is not a good benchmark
[00:50] <dr_willis> its just a test.. was it higher now then befor.. if you get a 5 befor and a 500000000000 now.. :)
[00:50] <keres> is this cpu 64 bit compatible? http://pastebin.com/m5375b04f
[00:50]  * Ace2017_- wonders if there is a good benchmark
[00:50] <dr_willis> Quake3 :) is da benchmak!
[00:50] <dr_willis> :)
[00:51] <keres> quake 3 ftw!!!!
[00:51] <Ace2017_-> keres: don't think so
[00:51] <keres> Ace2017_-: so it isn't ?
[00:51] <dr_willis> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
[00:51] <dr_willis> you could of just pasted that.. :)
[00:51] <dr_willis> I dont think so either
[00:53] <monkey2> hi
[00:53] <Ace2017_-> well the P4-600 series was 64bit
[00:54] <dr_willis> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/01/19/81462.aspx     Is my processor x64 Capable?
[00:54] <dr_willis> First, the easy ones. All Pentium D processors (800 series) are x64 capable, as well as being dual core. All mobile Intel processors, including the new Core Duo processors, are not x64 capable.
[00:55] <dr_willis> I wonder if that ATOM is 64bit.. (i dont think it is)
[00:55] <Mr_Grieves||> Still no luck with fglrx :(
[00:56] <Ace2017_-> build-essentials?
[00:56] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: it installed. Is there a way to install it without needing to run m-a?
[00:57] <Mr_Grieves||> *it is installed
[00:57] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: run m-a on its own, it'll give a console based gui
[00:57] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: update, prepare, then install fglrx
[00:57] <Mr_Grieves||> oK.
[00:58] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: Still fails -- nothing in the log.
[00:58] <Mr_Grieves||> I can modprobe fglrx, but but I get: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.27-13-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[00:59] <Mr_Grieves||> So it should be installed already?
[00:59] <Ace2017_-> ls /lib/modules/2.6.27-13-generic/updates/dkms/
[00:59] <Ace2017_-> that'll tell you
[00:59] <Ace2017_-> oh
[00:59] <Mr_Grieves||> only fglrx.ko is there.
[00:59] <Ace2017_-> its compiled already, thats why its not recompiling it
[01:00] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: maybe force the install so it gets recompiled
[01:00] <Ace2017_-> m-a a-i fglrx -f
[01:00] <Mr_Grieves||> Ok.
[01:01] <dr_willis> sounds wierd.
[01:01] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: then check dmesg for the error
[01:03] <Mr_Grieves||> It builds it, installs it, then an ncurses dialog pops up with the error "Build of the package fglrx-kernel-source failed!"
[01:03] <Ace2017_-> whats the error?
[01:03] <Mr_Grieves||> it presents an option to view the log, which only contains the name of the log file and the time.
[01:03] <Mr_Grieves||> There isn't one that I can see.
[01:04] <Mr_Grieves||> Here's the entire log file: Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/fglrx-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.27-13-generic.1237251719
[01:04] <Mr_Grieves||> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:01:59 -0500
[01:04] <Mr_Grieves||> That's it.
[01:05] <Mr_Grieves||> The module is installed again to the same location, and modprobing gives the same error about memory.
[01:06] <Ace2017_-> what memory error?
[01:06] <Mr_Grieves||>  FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.27-13-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[01:06] <Ace2017_-> do you have drm or radeon loaded? you'll have to rmmod those before fglrx will load
[01:06] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: They're not in my lsmod
[01:07] <Mr_Grieves||> aticonfig says "Uninitialised file found, configuring.", then segfaults.
[01:07] <Ace2017_-> when you modprobe it you get something in dmesg right? what is it?
[01:08] <Mr_Grieves||> dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1362892
[01:09] <Ace2017_-> is this a custom kernel?
[01:10] <Ace2017_-> wait i see, its not
[01:10] <Mr_Grieves||> Nope -- 2.6.23-11-generic
[01:10] <Mr_Grieves||> er, 13 now -- recently upgraded :)
[01:11] <Mr_Grieves||> dang, I can't type today -- 2.6.27-13-generic
[01:12] <Ace2017_-> google mentions the drm module a lot
[01:12] <Ace2017_-> maybe you should remove the fglrx kernel from the repo and get m-a to build you one
[01:12] <Mr_Grieves||> Ok, I'll give that a go.
[01:16] <Mr_Grieves||> Hrm, now it's telling me to add the contrib and non-free repos to sources.list
[01:16] <Ace2017_-> do it
[01:16] <Mr_Grieves||> All of them are uncommented -- I'll google for some more...
[01:17] <Mr_Grieves||> WTF. Now it's going. I didn't change sources.list....
[01:17] <Ace2017_-> did it update the sources list for you?
[01:17] <Mr_Grieves||> ...and failed. Still with an empty error log.
[01:17] <Mr_Grieves||> Possibly.
[01:18] <Ace2017_-> module asssistant is supposed to download the deps
[01:18] <Mr_Grieves||> A new error just popped up this time: "find: `/usr/src/modules/fglrx*': No such file or directory"
[01:19] <Ace2017_-> you can't modprobe it
[01:19] <Ace2017_-> its uninstalled
[01:19] <Ace2017_-> you have to install it
[01:19] <Mr_Grieves||> It actually finds it now when I modprobe, it just can allocate memory?
[01:20] <Ace2017_-> what? but it was uninstalled
[01:20] <Ace2017_-> rmmod it
[01:20] <Mr_Grieves||> It's not loaded.
[01:21] <Mr_Grieves||> I think the m-a is building it and installing it, then barfing on some post-install stuff maybe?
[01:25] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: do you have restricted modules installed?
[01:28] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: yes
[01:28] <Ace2017_-> remove it and try m-a one more time
[01:31] <Mr_Grieves||> Ace2017_-: hmm, it wants to remove my kernel when I do that
[01:32] <Ace2017_-> oh
[01:32] <Mr_Grieves||> :)
[01:32] <Mr_Grieves||> I did clean out some older versions -- maybe that will help.
[01:33] <Mr_Grieves||> Nope.
[01:34] <Ace2017_-> you can't remove linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`?
[01:36] <Mr_Grieves||> linux-generic is on the list of packages to be removed when I do that
[01:36] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: linux-generic is a dummy package, dpkg -l linux-generic will show that
[01:37] <Ace2017_-> its a metapacakge
[01:37] <Mr_Grieves||> ah ok.
[01:37] <Ace2017_-> linux-image-generic is the one you don't want removed
[01:38] <Mr_Grieves||> Ok. I think I installed that to get the module for my wireless card (ath5k). Can I use m-a to install that, too?
[01:39] <Ace2017_-> not sure
[01:39] <tkmr> Everytime I boot, Kubuntu tells me that my sound card has been removed, but it hasn't. What could be causing this? (Running Kubuntu 8.10/KDE4.2
[01:39] <davidjheinrich_> hello
[01:42] <Mr_Grieves||> m-a is sending me in circles: http://pastebin.ca/1362923
[01:42] <tkmr> Then when I re-install the drivers it works just fine.
[01:43] <Mr_Grieves||> Ack, that was a bit long of a paste -- starting at about line 160 and down gives a good idea of what's going on.
[01:45] <Ace2017_-> Mr_Grieves||: what if you use the m-a console gui, and do the update, prepare and then select what you need and install?
[01:46] <Mr_Grieves||> I've tried that with no luck earlier. I'm gonna take a break for a while, and try to recover some brain. Thanks for the ideas, Ace2017_- :)
[01:47] <Ace2017_-> ok, i'm off to bed, bye and good luck
[01:48] <Mr_Grieves||> Thanks :)
[01:55] <davidjheinrich_> good evening
[01:56] <davidjheinrich_> can anyone help me with a CRT / resolutio flickering problem in KDE?
[02:50] <Ketrel> My sound is really low but everything in the mixer is on max, is there any where else I could increase it?
[03:12] <MadEchidna> Does anyone know why I get no sound from firefox on my fresh install of kubuntu? I haven't even changed any settings
[03:12] <MadEchidna> I've googled my ass off and I find nothing
[03:17] <Ketrel> MadEchidna: does other things give sound?
[03:19] <carpii> what sort of sound does firefox normally make?  o_O ?
[03:20] <MadEchidna> Ketrel: yes
[03:20] <MadEchidna> I just played some music in Amarok with no issues
[03:20] <MadEchidna> but when I watch youtube videos I can't hear anything
[03:23] <carpii> ok so its flash thats at faulot, not firefox
[03:24] <carpii> try
[03:24] <carpii> sudo apt-get install libflashsupport
[03:25] <MadEchidna> Package libflashsupport is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:25] <MadEchidna> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:25] <MadEchidna> is only available from another source
[03:25] <MadEchidna> E: Package libflashsupport has no installation candidate
[03:25] <carpii> hrm
[03:25] <carpii> upgrade to flash 10 maybe?
[03:26] <MadEchidna> it's a fresh install of 9.04
[03:26] <MadEchidna> it has flash 10 by default
[03:26] <carpii> oh ok
[03:26] <carpii> i know nothing of 9.04, sorry
[03:27] <MadEchidna> what are you using?
[03:27] <carpii> 8.10
[03:27] <carpii> uh 8.04 i mean
[03:27] <MadEchidna> oh I meant 8.10 excuse me
[03:28] <MadEchidna> why are you using 8.04?
[03:28] <carpii> i upgraded to 8.10, but it removes kde 3.5 and installs kde 4.x
[03:28] <carpii> and i hate kde 4.x
[03:28] <carpii> so i rolled back
[03:33] <joshjtl> hey what office / word processor etc. app do you guys use? openoffice everyone?
[03:38] <alan_> i have never used IRC before, can anyone steer me to rooms?
[03:40] <jcmoney> hi i had a usb hard drive that i was using (ntfs file system) and now it wont mount, when i fdisk -l it shows up with /dev/sdb with no volumes listed   any thoughts?
[04:14] <demi> why everytme i reboot or log back into kde 4.2 my resolution is very high, and it wont switch to my 1280x960 until i open the desktop resolution screen, it auto switchs to what I chose?
[04:19] <demi> Does anyone know why X doesnt want to refresh to my chosen resolution each time i restart?
[04:19] <demi> Sucks having to open the resolution screen each time, to get into my chosen res.
[04:28] <cthompson__> how do install a deb package using terminal?
[04:30] <cthompson__> nm its dpkg -i 'package name'
[04:37] <beardbar> anyone using medibuntu skype installs on kubuntu? I can install fine but chat does not work, always with the message cannot be delivered
[05:00] <commander_> how can i make my bottom panel be on top of the screen?
[05:04] <__mikem> I would like to give kde4.2 a spin. Whats the name of the package to install it?
[05:06] <goofey> commander_: kde 3.5 or 4?
[05:06] <__mikem> anybody?
[05:06] <commander_> kde 4..the one with the white spots in the background
[05:07] <commander_> i don't know if it's 4.2
[05:07] <goofey> commander_: one sec - booting kde 4.2 in vm
[05:07] <__mikem> goofey, how do I install kde 4.2? I don't know the name of the package
[05:08] <goofey> __mikem: if somneone knows the answer to your question - they will answer you - please don't ask folks at random
[05:09] <__mikem> goofey, well I figured since you were booting into 4.2 to help commander_ you must have installed it, and therefore know how to install it
[05:10] <goofey> commander_: ok, if you click the half-moon the the right of the panel, a window slides open that allows you to resize - you can drag this window to the top (at least in 4.2 you can)
[05:10] <goofey> __mikem: you guessed wrong - this is an alpha install of jaunty - come with 4.2 already
[05:11] <__mikem> goofey, sorry :(
[05:12] <goofey> __mikem: which verson of kubuntu (or ubuntu) do you have?
[05:12] <commander_> ok thanks
[05:12] <__mikem> goofey, intrepid
[05:13] <goofey> commander_: np
[05:13] <__mikem> goofey, nevermind, I found a site that helped http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[05:13] <__mikem> thanks
[05:13] <goofey> __mikem: I liked this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-kde-42-stable-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[05:13] <doleyb> beardbar: i use skype, it works.
[05:14] <goofey> __mikem: enjoy - 4.2 seems pretty nice - FWIW, 4.2 will come with jaunty in 6 weeks or so
[05:14] <__mikem> hopefully it will be more stable than kde4.1
[05:15] <__mikem> goofey, the repository and package is different in your link
[05:15] <__mikem> the site I linked to asked me to add a ppa repository and install something called kde-nightly
[05:16] <goofey> __mikem: kde nightly isn't stable  (I think) - it's nightly builds - no gaurentee of stability
[05:16] <__mikem> goofey, its a good thing it wasn't done downloading
[05:16] <goofey> __mikem: :)
[05:16] <__mikem> thanks
[05:17] <goofey> __mikem: anytime
[05:18] <__mikem> the thing gave me a strange error about unmet dependencies
[05:19] <__mikem> http://pastebin.com/d6d20ced1
[05:20] <__mikem> goofey, any ideas ^
[05:21] <goofey> __mikem: I've not seen that before - sorry, i have no idea
[05:21] <goofey> __mikem: stick aorund, someone will know
[05:21] <__mikem> okay
[05:24] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Kubuntu-desktop is a meta package for kubuntu which has the dependancies to all the packages which are part of the official Kubuntu release
[05:25] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, okay, so does that mean I should go back to installing from kde-nightly package?
[05:25] <Slartibartfast> If you install kde 4.2, which is not part of the official 8.10 release ... you will get unmet dependancies when you wawnt to install kubuntu-desktop
[05:26] <Slartibartfast> just don't install the package kubuntu-desktop, and you should be ok
[05:26] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, well, if I just want the bare bones KDE4.2, what package should I install?
[05:27] <Slartibartfast> Not sure, but if you have checked the backports/ unsupported updates option in Adept > Sources ... then your KDE will just update to KDE 4.2 ...
[05:28] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, I am on gnome right now, I just want to try out kde4.2. Havn't used kde since 3.4
[05:29] <astrobear> so.. what i don't get.. in konqueror when i middle click to close a tab, i get an error message: "protocol not supported"
[05:29] <astrobear> what's the middle mouse button's function?
[05:29] <Slartibartfast> aahh ... well, just start installing kde packages then ... maybe the most handy in a konsole ...
[05:30] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: start with kdebase-workspace
[05:30] <astrobear> or..
[05:30] <astrobear> the easiest way in ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:30] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, thatfailed
[05:31] <__mikem> god I hate this spacebar
[05:31] <astrobear> however __mikem, the default kde version for kubuntu intrepid is 4.1 which isn't quite kde 4.2
[05:31] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: if you do in a terminal "dpkg -l kdebase* you will see which packages you can install
[05:32] <__mikem> kdebase-workspace depends on klipper, ksysguard, kde-window-manager, systemsettings, kdm, and kdebase-plasma
[05:32] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: And ? These won't get installed ?
[05:32] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, yes
[05:32] <astrobear> __mikem: take a look http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 to upgrade the default kubuntu kde version to kde 4.2
[05:33] <__mikem> astrobear, I am trying to go from gnome to kde
[05:33] <Slartibartfast> astrobear: He is on gnome now
[05:33] <astrobear> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:33] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[05:33] <Slartibartfast> No
[05:33] <astrobear> why?
[05:33] <Slartibartfast> he want kde 4.2 .... not kde 4.1.4
[05:33] <__mikem> http://pastebin.com/d5ddd1ba0 <-- Slartibartfast
[05:34] <Slartibartfast> kubuntu-desktop has unmet dependancies
[05:34] <astrobear> install kubuntu-desktop and follow the upgrade instructions
[05:34] <astrobear> right?
[05:34] <astrobear> i thought it was easy
[05:35] <Slartibartfast> astrobear: He followed somebody elses howto ... not the official one
[05:36] <astrobear> remove what you have, and then follow what i said
[05:36]  * __mikem is seriously considering just going with kde-nightly
[05:36] <astrobear> don't ya think Slarti?
[05:36] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: maybe you need to uncheck the unsupported updates first .... do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ...
[05:36] <Slartibartfast> astrobear: you are right
[05:37] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, you mean uncheck and then do the sudo apt-get update thing
[05:37] <Slartibartfast> Yes
[05:37] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, and the option is under updates?
[05:37] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Then you won't have the unmet dependancies when installing kubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <__mikem> it already is unchecked
[05:38] <Slartibartfast> Did you do "sudo apt-get update" ?
[05:39] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, I did the last time
[05:39] <__mikem> doesn't seem to have worked
[05:40] <Slartibartfast> Let me check that site what you followed ... seems you have something in your sources.list what should not be there
[05:41] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: delete "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main" from your sources list
[05:41] <__mikem> ok
[05:42] <Slartibartfast> and do after that "sudo apt-get update"
[05:42] <__mikem> ok
[05:42] <Slartibartfast> Then you should be able to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:43] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, but it will be the older version?
[05:43] <Slartibartfast> Yes ... but this way will be the most easy
[05:43] <__mikem> okay
[05:43] <__mikem> okay, this'll take a while though
[05:43] <Slartibartfast> Yes
[05:44] <__mikem> oh well inthe mean time, I notice you have a slight douglas adams reference in your nick :)
[05:44] <astrobear> you noticed too :)
[05:44] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: The site you follow is already too old
[05:44] <Slartibartfast> KDE 4.2 is already in the backports ...
[05:45] <Slartibartfast> No need to get it from kppa.lanchpad.net
[05:45] <Slartibartfast> ppa
[05:45] <__mikem> so you are going to have me install 4.1, enable backports and then upgrade?
[05:45] <astrobear> ack, i need to sleep
[05:45] <astrobear> gl __mikem
[05:45] <Slartibartfast> Yes
[05:45] <__mikem> thanks astrobear
[05:45] <astrobear> thanks Slartibartfast for all you do
[05:45] <Slartibartfast> np
[05:45] <astrobear> takes a lot of patience for support
[05:46] <__mikem> I like the atmosphere in this channel much better than that in #ubuntu
[05:46] <astrobear> later guys
[05:46] <astrobear> yeah the guys here are great
[05:46] <Slartibartfast> Cya :-)
[05:49] <__mikem> 89%
[05:50] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: luckely you have a fast connection then :-)
[05:50] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, fast but not reliable :(
[05:51] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: after this you can do "sudo apt-get clean" .... no ned to keep this in you package cache
[05:51] <__mikem> okay
[05:52] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: will free up some space :-)
[05:52] <__mikem> I believe I have 20 gb on this partition
[05:53] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: i also have that for / on my PC .... more then enough ... but i have a separate /home
[05:53] <Slartibartfast> partition
[05:53] <__mikem> okay
[05:53] <__mikem> just finished, and did the clean
[05:54] <Slartibartfast> OK ... then  check the unsupported updates ....
[05:54] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, okay
[05:55] <Slartibartfast> then refresh .... sudo apt-get update ..... maybe first need to close you GUI package isntaller
[05:55] <__mikem> did that
[05:56] <Slartibartfast> And then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:57] <commander_> my deskto peffects are not working.
[05:58] <commander_> no rotating cube,wobbly windows,nothing
[05:58] <commander_> help
[05:59] <Slartibartfast> commander_: You have the 3D capable driver installed ?
[06:00] <__mikem> if you are in vmware, it aint going to work period :(
[06:01] <commander_> huh? where u get that?
[06:01] <Slartibartfast> "glxinfo|grep direct" .... shows "direct rendering: Yes" ?
[06:02] <Slartibartfast> commander_: "glxinfo|grep direct" .... shows "direct rendering: Yes" ?
[06:02] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, okay, upgrade's done
[06:02] <commander_> where is that in the terminal?
[06:02] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, do I just restart X now?
[06:03] <Slartibartfast> OK ... Try it ... log out ... and choose KDE from your sessions menu in your GDM
[06:03] <Slartibartfast> Yes
[06:03] <__mikem> see you guys in a few :)
[06:04] <Slartibartfast> commander_: You open konsole and type "glxinfo|grep direct" ....
[06:07] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, that was a complete disaster
[06:07] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: working ?
[06:08] <__mikem> none of the windows had borders, none of the windows accepted keyboard input, and to make things worse, it was still kde4.1
[06:08] <__mikem> so basically, no its not working
[06:09] <commander_> S man i got it. i switched it to KDE
[06:11] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, did you get my response?
[06:11] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Hmmm ... don't know where it went wrong .... yes
[06:11] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, well, first of all, its still kde4.1
[06:12] <__mikem> I know that because the splash screen that comes up when you boot into it clearly says 4.1
[06:12] <Slartibartfast> But it should have upgraded to kde4.2 ... what if you do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, won't that upgrade me to the alpha version of the next release?
[06:13] <__mikem> hey hateball
[06:13] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: maybe some packages are kept back from a normal upgrade
[06:13] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: No no
[06:13]  * hateball waves at __mikem, heads over to !ot
[06:14] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, so you want me to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:14] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: for a real distupgrade you have to change all the intrepid entries in sources.list to jaunty
[06:14] <Slartibartfast> so just dist-upgrade now should be OK
[06:15] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Yes sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:15] <__mikem> doing it now
[06:16] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: a lot more packages which get installed ?
[06:16] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: maybe you see the version numbers too
[06:16] <__mikem> a lot more got updated as well
[06:16] <Slartibartfast> OK
[06:16] <__mikem> don't see version numbers though :(
[06:17] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: the version numbers are part of the package name .....
[06:18] <Salze> AFAIK the version numbers are not shown in the beginning, but first when the packages are downloaded (or even installed).
[06:18] <__mikem> http://pastebin.com/d74962e68 <-- Slartibartfast
[06:18] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Yes .... install
[06:20] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: not sure how they move plasma around in all the packages ... but kdebase-plasma will get upgrade
[06:20] <Slartibartfast> d
[06:23] <Slartibartfast> Salze: I am now upgrading myself and see that eg.  Get:1 http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main libgomp1 4.3.3-5ubuntu4 [13.4kB] gets downloaded .... so i can see the version
[06:24] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, okay, the dist-upgrade is done
[06:24] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: try again :-) ... log out and start kde
[06:24] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: GL
[06:27] <noaXess> good moorning..
[06:28] <Salze> Yes - like I said...it's first displayed when the downloads start - not at the beginning, when it asks whether you want to upgrade at all.
[06:28] <Slartibartfast> Salze: aaah ... ok ok ... maybe misunderstood you then
[06:29] <piolinjazz> looking
[06:29] <piolinjazz> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd6e47cea
[06:29] <__mikem> holly crap, kde4.2 is awesome
[06:30] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: :-)
[06:30] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Nice to know it works now
[06:30] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, is it possible to enable the global menu at the top of the screen like you could in kde 3.4
[06:31] <Slartibartfast> Yes .... right of the taskbar you see a cashew ... click it and you can configure the taskbar
[06:31] <noaXess> __mikem: you mean move kmenu on to of your screen?
[06:31] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, I'll see a what?
[06:32] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: OR you mean something like Gnome or Apple ?
[06:32] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, yes
[06:32] <Slartibartfast> right of the clock on the atskbar ?
[06:32] <Slartibartfast> taskbar
[06:34] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, I can't find the particular option
[06:35] <noaXess> i have configured dolphin with two view mode (left/rigth details).. allways i start dolphin the right view is focused, not the left one.. i don't see any option so set the left one as default.. any idea? hint?
[06:35] <Slartibartfast> You have clicked the "cashew" ? ... then a second bar opens on top of the taskbar ... then every element can be moved ...
[06:36] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: on the second bar you see screen edge ... grab that with the mouse pointer and move it to the top
[06:36] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, no thats not what I wanted. There used to be an option where all the menus that are assigned to each window would be consolidated to a single menu at the top of the screen that would display the options associated with the window currently in focus
[06:37] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: aaaaah ... something like apple os x.
[06:37] <__mikem> yes
[06:37] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: No i don't think that is still present in this KDE version
[06:37] <__mikem> why did they take it out :(
[06:37] <Slartibartfast> not sure though ... never looked for it
[06:37] <Slartibartfast> maybe because it was not very high on their priority list
[06:37] <__mikem> oh well, atleast kde is cool again
[06:38] <Slartibartfast> if you have 3D driver for your graphics ... you can already enable some effects
[06:38] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, I already have all the effects I need
[06:38] <__mikem> :)
[06:38] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: OK OK
[06:39] <Slartibartfast> now i need to do some shopping
[06:40] <__mikem> Slartibartfast, what part of the world are you in?
[06:40] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: Asia
[06:40] <__mikem> oh
[06:40] <__mikem> I am in the USA
[06:41] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: OK ... Good luck with your new desktop :-)
[06:41] <__mikem> thanks
[06:41] <__mikem> and thanks for helping me set it up
[06:42] <Slartibartfast> __mikem: no problem ... glad it works for you.
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:22] <JustSleepy> Hello, how do I change so, that konqueror doesn't open always in fullscreen?
[08:28] <Greenery> how's Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.2 goes with netbook? I wanted to purchase netbook in the near future so wondering if Kubuntu runs fine
[08:29] <ActionParsnip1> Greenery: kde is a bit chucky in ram, depends how much ram your netbook has
[08:30] <JustSleepy> I would probably choose gnome if using netbook
[08:30] <ActionParsnip1> Greenery: i'd shoot for something lighter like lxde or xfce
[08:30] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: depends on settings
[08:30] <Tm_T> Greenery: should work just fine
[08:30] <ActionParsnip1> Greenery: it'll give more ram to yor apps running decent
[08:30] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: depends on settings, again (;)
[08:31] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: i'd say xfce was lighter than anything kde can do
[08:31] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: I'd say it depends on settings, I run KDE4 with 128 MiB ram, no swapping until I run Firefox AND apt at the same times
[08:31] <Tm_T> -s
[08:33] <Tm_T> really, KDE is not necessarily any heavier than others (:
[08:33] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: Ii understand settings play a large part but if something is designed for a task and that task presents itself then it will be the natural choice
[08:33] <ActionParsnip1> like lightweight DEs
[08:33] <Tm_T> it's just defaults more suitable to "normal desktop usage" than to light environment
[08:34] <ActionParsnip1> true
[08:34] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: still doesn't mean they would work any better, really
[08:34] <JustSleepy> anyone know how to change so that when opening konqueror, it doesn't open in fullscreen?
[08:34] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: and for a standard user, they will most likely use the defaults, dont you think
[08:34] <Tm_T> anyway, Greenery yes KDE4 works fine, especially if you have patience on trying different settings, but yes LXDE might be lighter by default in most cases (:
[08:35] <ActionParsnip1> happy average, i like it
[08:35] <Greenery> any idea if Kubuntu developer going to make an optimised version of Kubuntu for netbook?
[08:35] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: I assume so, I never see defaults myself but most people live with em I think
[08:35] <ActionParsnip1> Greenery: you could even install kde then install a lighter front if you like kde apps
[08:35] <Tm_T> Greenery: prolly is not needed, unless your netbook has less than 256 MiB ram
[08:36] <ActionParsnip1> JustSleepy: i dont use konqueror so couldnt comment dude, is it for file or web browsing or do you use it as both/
[08:36]  * linuxonmac hugs fluxb0x 
[08:36] <Greenery> thanks for the heads up, will think about it further
[08:36] <ActionParsnip1> fluxbox is sweeeeet
[08:37] <Tm_T> Greenery: anyway, I haven't seen any netbooks that couldn't run KDE4 just fine, it has been running in phones too
[08:38] <linuxonmac> blackbox/fluxbox are great
[08:38] <Greenery> yeah I saw that it works on nokia phones
[08:38] <Greenery> probably the internet tablet version ones
[08:38] <Tm_T> Greenery: those and some other brands entirely
[08:38] <Tm_T> but but.... #kubuntu-offtopic (;)
[08:38] <JustSleepy> ActionParsnip1: I use it for web browsing.. but since I cannot figure out how to change settings so that it won't always open in fullscreen.. I think I should just install firefox >.<'
[08:38] <linuxonmac> written in C lightweight and nice
[08:39] <Tm_T> JustSleepy: perhaps you have to save your preferred window size in the session?
[08:39] <ActionParsnip1> JustSleepy: hit F11
[08:40] <ActionParsnip1> linuxonmac: they lack the nice gui apps that new users like, newbs are terrified of conf files
[08:40] <ActionParsnip1> JustSleepy: if once doesnt do it, try a few times
[08:40] <JustSleepy> F11 works, but its still annoying if it always opens in fullscreen
[08:40] <Tm_T> JustSleepy: see what I said
[08:41] <ActionParsnip1> JustSleepy: once it restores, hold ctrl+shift and click the close button
[08:41] <JustSleepy> I went to system settings and it has the same, but F11 doesn't work.. nice
[08:42] <linuxonmac> ActionParsnip1: True, but I have always liked fluxbox :P
[08:42] <Tm_T> linuxonmac: and that is offtopic, please
[08:43] <javi> hi
[08:43] <ActionParsnip1> linuxonmac: me too, and lxde
[08:43] <Tm_T> JustSleepy: I believe your problem is that your Konqueror session has that fullscreen windowsize saved, so prolly saving your preferred settings would help
[08:43] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: and same to you (;)
[08:44] <ActionParsnip1> hehe
[08:46] <linuxonmac> Tm_T: right, I should probably try and work on getting any kind of opengl ss not to crash X :(
[08:46]  * Slartibartfast likes windowmaker ... :-P 
[08:47]  * linuxonmac remembers toy wood blocks as a child
[08:48]  * ActionParsnip1 is checking citrix web interfaces
[08:49]  * Slartibartfast will make two yummy newyork cheese cakes tomorrow
[08:51] <__mikem> I am trying to use xbar, and it isn't working properly
[08:57] <khashayar> Does anybody here know what one needs to do to have electricsheep working with kscreensaver (on jaunty)?
[08:58] <__mikem> does anyone know what is wrong with xbar
[08:59] <SandGorgon> anyone know how to start firefox in debug mode - i have been having some issues with firefox 3.1 b3
[09:11] <ActionParsnip1> !jaunty | khashayar
[09:15] <Slartibartfast> khashayar: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24325&tan=17869449
[09:29] <cee> hi, is there an easy way to have the kde4-svn-daily-compiled installed on the system? i used to have kde-neon, but that project seems to be dead..
[09:31] <dwidmann> cee: one possible solution is of course to download the sources and start compling .. I think there's a script floating around to help automate it to
[09:31] <dwidmann> *too
[09:32] <khashayar> Slartibartfast: Thanks. I know I've tried that at some point. But I'll try it again.
[09:35] <khashayar> Slartibartfast: Nope. It doesn't show up in kscreensaver (do I need to restart any process?).
[09:35] <khashayar> Under which category is it supposed to end up?
[09:35] <khashayar> I just saw it's Fractals.  But it's not there...
[09:37] <cee> dwidmann: well.. i was hoping there would be some precompiled floating around :)
[09:38] <cee> compiled version
[09:57] <lovelin> elow
[10:28] <JabberWokky> Okay, this is driving me nuts.  Symlinks to directories on manually mounted drives are disappearing randomly since 8.10.  Possibly some kind of daemon watching mounts?  I mount /home/zenroom, then ln -s /home/zenroom/files ${HOME}/burn/zenroom, and the symlink keeps disappearing.
[10:29] <JabberWokky> I'll note that it's also occurring on a sshfs mount, so it's not the drive.
[10:30] <JabberWokky> (And yes, the drive is mounted... I'm not saying the link doesn't work and I'm removing the drive or something wacky like that... the actual symlink file is being deleted in mid-use).
[10:33] <chris-rc1> hi
[10:33] <chris-rc1> is there a stativ vlc package?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> !info vlc
[10:39] <chris-rc1> correction: does sb know where or how to get/build a static package?
[10:40] <ActionParsnip1> sb?
[10:40] <noren> hi all
[10:41] <JabberWokky> noren: Howdy, noren
[10:42] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: somebody
[10:42] <noren> well i was going to make an data partitionn want advice on fat 32 or ntfs
[10:43] <chris-rc1> my problem is that the version that ships with intrepid cannot play bin files, whereas the old versions could (as can the recent win version)
[10:43] <ActionParsnip1> noren: fat32 is not robust, if its for linux only use ext3
[10:43] <ActionParsnip1> noren: if its a shared area between linux and windows, use ntfs
[10:43] <noren> i got 150 gb of free space
[10:44] <chris-rc1> noren: you could also use ext2/3 and instal ext2IFS on windows so you can read/write on them from there
[10:44] <noren> ActionParsnip1: theres no option for ntfs in the gparted ??
[10:45] <noren> i think ext3 is better than ntfs, but anyone have ever tried this new ext4 partition
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> noren: apt-cache seach ntfs | grep tool
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> noren: you need the ntfs tools
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> noren: then you can, personally id boot to windows and format it
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> noren: if you are using pure linux then you have no reason to use ntfs
[10:48] <noren> is ext4 only in developmental /test phase
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> afaik, yes
[10:49] <chris-rc1> can somebody play .bin files in vlc?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: if you create a cue file for it can you play that?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: theres also this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-282288.html   (read the last post)
[10:51] <JabberWokky> ext4 stable went out at the very end of last year.
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: you could also use b2chunk to convert it to an iso which is much easier to work with system wide
[10:51] <JabberWokky> But "stable" versus "enough people have used it to trust it with *my* data" is a different story.
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> tried and test ext3, the reliable friend
[10:53] <noren> !mount
[10:53] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: none of this works. bchunk and cdd2iso produce junk for some reason (the isos can be mounted, but the file seems corrupted), and having a cue file does not make a difference
[10:53] <noren> chris-rc1: i play those file in vlc without any truoble
[10:53] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: i know the thread, but none of the suggested solutions work
[10:54] <JabberWokky> Bin/CUE is usually used for DCA formats, which cannot be stored in ISOs.
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: mplayer apparently can play it, maybe you could mencode / ffmpeg to convert. I dont use vlc myslef I find it slow and bloated
[10:54] <chris-rc1> noren: what distro (version) and what version of vlc do you have?
[10:54] <JabberWokky> As an iso is a data CD (well, assuming a CD iso image).
[10:54] <JabberWokky> What is your goal?
[10:54] <noren> chris-rc1:ubuntu8.10
[10:54] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: the point is that it used to work, now it doesn't. a bit like kaffeine
[10:54] <JabberWokky> And ActionParsnip1 is right -- mencoder can convert it, but are you trying to burn, play, convert...
[10:55] <JabberWokky> chris-rc1: Ah, you're just trying to figure out why your preferred player can't play the format?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: well the videolan guys are coding away and maybe dropped the functionality from the linux version
[10:55] <chris-rc1> i just want to play it with vlc, which can play .bin files natively
[10:55] <chris-rc1> in theory at least
[10:55] <JabberWokky> (...when it used to)?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: if you try play the cue file in vlc does it work?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: in theory, everything works ;)
[10:57] <chris-rc1> the recent win version does, the wiki says it should if compiled against some libraries (which it is according to vlc --version), and it did in hardy, i believe (it's been a while)
[10:57] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: no, it doesn't :-(
[10:58] <JabberWokky> Is it VCD?
[10:58] <chris-rc1> yes
[10:58] <JabberWokky> VCD support in VLC is broken.
[10:58] <chris-rc1> why is that
[10:58] <JabberWokky> As in, they aren't supporting it, apparantly.
[10:58] <JabberWokky> Ask VLC.
[10:58] <chris-rc1> no, they are
[10:58] <JabberWokky> They say "If your bin images contain VCD material, then the problem is that. Nobody wants to maintain VCD support and because of that VCD support is partially broke"
[10:58] <JabberWokky> This is as of Feb 26 this year.
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: use mplayer
[10:58] <chris-rc1> it is in the wiki, and the win version has no prob at all
[10:59] <ActionParsnip1> mplayer is awesome
[10:59] <JabberWokky> Win version is probably a trailing version.
[10:59] <JabberWokky> ActionParsnip1: Yes, yes it is.
[10:59] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: doesn't work either, because no matter what bin/cue file i take, the isos are junk
[11:00] <chris-rc1> JabberWokky: well, of course you can see everything from a 'positive' light, but i doubt it is 'trailing'
[11:00] <JabberWokky> chris-rc1: Try a VLC support forum.  It really does look like they have issues with VCD.
[11:00] <JabberWokky> chris-rc1: Trailing, as in it hasn't been broken yet due to code updates that have affected the VCD support.
[11:01] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: even winth      mplayer <binfile>
[11:03] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: it actually works with the bin file, but not with the isos
[11:04] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: then use that
[11:05] <noren> how to search which repos sud i have for mkvtoolnix
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> noren: apt-cache search mkv
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> noren: if it doesnt come up you need extra repos
[11:06] <noren> says invalid search option
[11:07] <ActionParsnip1> noren: apt-cache search tool
[11:07] <ActionParsnip1> noren: apt-cache search tool | grep mk
[11:08] <chris-rc1> ActionParsnip1: if only now it wouldn't give me 'audio codec cannot be found' error :-( well...
[11:08] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: then find out what codec it needs and you're golden
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> chris-rc1: have you installed w[32|64]codecs from medibuntu ?
[11:26] <andrei> re
[11:26] <andrei> а по русски тут кто говворит?
[11:26] <bazhang> !ru
[11:27] <noren> wow got the mkvtoolnix installed but cant run it from console does it need restart
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> noren: ubuntu only needs restarting to boot new kernels
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> noren: an you give the command and error message you get when you run the app
[11:29] <noren> sudo apt-get install mkvtoolnix-gui mkvtoolnix
[11:30] <noren> now i cant figure where the damn thing went
[11:30] <bazhang> noren, its cli
[11:31] <bazhang> to start the gui try alt-f2
[11:31] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: surely mkvtoolnix-gui is a gui app for it?
[11:31] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, yeah saw that after I hit enter
[11:31] <noren> bash: mkvtoolnix: command not found   <<< even this is odd then
[11:31] <ActionParsnip1> hehe no worries
[11:31] <bazhang> noren, you are on intrepid?
[11:32] <Saul1> Hi there, can someone tell me how I rename the computer account in version 8.10 please?
[11:32] <noren> now is this also related to that
[11:33] <bazhang> noren, just curious what you are trying to do as there maybe a better tool for it
[11:33] <ActionParsnip1> noren: i'd read the man pages, or this: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/doc/README
[11:34] <noren> i have both 8.10 and jaunty which one will help me out better
[11:34] <bazhang> to do what exactly
[11:34] <noren> my jaunty is 64bit
[11:34] <bazhang> rip dvd?
[11:34] <noren> trying to extract files from mkv to avi
[11:35] <bazhang> vlc plays mkv fine
[11:35] <noren> no it got h264 i want to convert it back to divx, so that i can run in dvd player
[11:36] <bazhang> is intrepid 64bit also?
[11:36] <noren> no 8.10 is 32bit
[11:37] <bazhang> well you are going to get some severe lossiness with that
[11:37] <Saul1> I am sure it simple to rename the computer account but I am new to this :-)
[11:37] <bazhang> !hostname
[11:38] <bazhang> I'd go with the ppa of handbrake for that
[11:40] <Saul1> Ubottu - under Administration I have Network Tools but no general tab in there
[11:42] <usuario_> tghbfg
[11:43] <noren> !ubottu | Saul1
[11:48] <noren> test
[12:03] <lutiusveratius> !pppoe
[12:17] <noren> hi all one more simple question, i have realized all the software we install are cached in the var/cach/apt folder i guess...
[12:17] <noren> how can i donload all the packages relevent to the my present install on the system
[12:18] <noren> i want to create a backup of the packages that i dont have to download it over againnn in case of some crash
[12:18] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[12:19] <michaeldadmum> !synaptic
[12:20] <noren> bazhang: i had run apt-get autoremove so i dont have anything there anymore
[12:23] <kanon-mat> !vgtl
[12:33] <sigma92> hey guys, i have /home mounted to a separate partition, i tried out kubuntu with a clean install but using the same home partition, now ive returned to a clean install of ubuntu and my scrollbars are weird, they have both buttons at the bottom. what can i do to fix that
[12:34] <Mr_Grieves||> Hrm, I just stumbled across a major annoyance with the network manager
[12:34] <Mr_Grieves||> When I log out and go to a VT, it disconnects me.
[12:35] <ct529> hi everybody
[12:35] <ct529> anyone using asterisk on kubuntu?
[12:35] <Mr_Grieves||> Is there a way to enable connectivity on a system level, instead of by user?
[12:40] <mato>  peace has joined this channel
[12:40] <MaGicKanGaRoo> peace has left this server :(
[12:40] <mato> :(
[12:41] <mato> why?
[12:44] <Mr_Grieves||> Is there a way to have kubuntu connect my router at boot, instead of at login?
[12:44] <ThomasD> my desktop won't accept keyboard input anymore after I loaded a huge playlist in amarok, mouse works fine thoug, and I don't feel like rebooting or loggin out
[12:44] <ThomasD> anyone got any ideas?
[12:44] <Mr_Grieves||> That's how most distros do it, but I'm having a hell of a time trying to get this behavior in kubuntu
[12:44] <ThomasD> Mr_Grieves||: set up /etc/network/interfaces
[12:45] <sigma92> hey guys, i have /home mounted to a separate partition, i tried out kubuntu with a clean install but using the same home partition, now ive returned to a clean install of ubuntu and my scrollbars are weird, they have both buttons at the bottom. what can i do to fix that
[12:45] <ThomasD> those are brought up at boot
[12:45] <ThomasD> sigma92: delete ~/.kde
[12:45] <Mr_Grieves||> ThomasD: I've put an entry in there for my wlan0, but /etc/init.d/networking restart seems to be ignoring it right now.
[12:46] <Mr_Grieves||> I'll dig around a bit more -- at least I know I'm going in the right direction :)
[12:49] <sigma92_> no dice man, i deleted .kde and restarted x and the buttons are still like that
[12:49] <ThomasD> thats odd, cuz all kde config stuff is in there (as for the home folder)
[12:52] <Mr_Grieves||> I'm having trouble with the wireless in /etc/network/interfaces. Are the wireless-essid and wireless-key directives still what I need to use?
[12:52] <Mr_Grieves||> I can't find any recent info on google, the ubuntu help page doesn't mention the interfaces file, and the man page is from 2004, and makes no mention of wireless :(
[12:53] <kanon-mat> network manager has been bad
[12:53] <kanon-mat> i just use dhclient
[12:53] <Mr_Grieves||> Not trying to complain, but it seems like there would be some more uptodate info readily available.
[12:53] <seku> hello... can i choose to keep my /home partition unformatted during install?
[12:53] <kanon-mat> put the line "dhclient" in rc.local
[12:54] <Mr_Grieves||> kanon-mat: I need to use wep with my wireless
[12:54] <Mr_Grieves||> seku: No -- the installer will try to write to it during the installation.
[12:54] <Mr_Grieves||> With no filesystem, it can't.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[12:55] <seku> Mr_Grieves||: i have stuff on it, and i want to keep it unformatted... can't i just choose mountpoint for it somehow and choose which partitions are formatted?
[12:56] <Mr_Grieves||> Oh, if it's already formatted, you should be fine :)
[12:56] <Mr_Grieves||> Just be aware that it may overwrite some things.
[12:56] <seku> so i can? i have / and /home separately
[12:56] <Mr_Grieves||> Yes -- just make sure that it's identifying the filesystem on /home correctly.
[12:57] <seku> -.-' what does kubuntu write to home directory? system wide settings are at /etc ?
[12:57] <Mr_Grieves||> Just some folders under the user's name, i.e. /home/user/Desktop, /home/user/Pictures, etc
[12:59] <seku> ok -.-' i really don't wanna start burning sessions :). Thanks
[12:59] <Mr_Grieves||> No problem :)
[13:00] <Mr_Grieves||> Back to my question, is there any up to date documentation on how to put wireless entries into /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:00] <Mr_Grieves||> Or could someone look over what I have and see what's not working?
[13:02] <Mr_Grieves||> http://pastebin.com/m94b15e <- my wlan0 entry
[13:02] <beardbar> im giving up on my sound card, does anyone know a list of well supported sound cards for kubuntu?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> beardbar , to check your soundcard try this , maybe we can help if we know which it is,  aplay -l
[13:06] <beardbar> its a sounblaster x-fi pci express, ive spent a week on it. tried oss and asla nothing works
[13:07] <BluesKaj> ok, what have you done so far , beardbar ?
[13:07] <Saul1> can someone tell me why when I go into User and Groups I cant click on Add User
[13:07] <beardbar> ive following the oss tutorial, ive tried the beta x-fi driver from creative for asla.
[13:08] <beardbar> BluesKaj: aplay -l returns martin@electronics.demon.co.uk
[13:08] <beardbar> my email address
[13:08] <beardbar> yay
[13:09] <beardbar> it returns aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found...
[13:09] <BluesKaj> ok, lspci | grep audio
[13:11] <beardbar> BluesKaj: 03:0a.0 Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[13:12] <kanon-mat> Saul1: do you have admin rights?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> beardbar, let's try setting your default sound card :  asoundconf set-default-card "Creative Labs SB X-Fi"
[13:13] <Saul1> Kanon - I believe so, how can I check?
[13:14] <beardbar> BluesKaj: okey dokey done that
[13:15] <BluesKaj> beardbar , what player are you using, amarok ?
[13:15] <beardbar> ya
[13:16] <BluesKaj> You've done  alsamixer in the terminal and unmuted the relavent ctrls ?
[13:17] <Mr_Grieves||> beardbar: Hrm, so no way to get wireless working without X running?
[13:18] <beardbar> bluesKaj: actually i just uninstalled oss, havent had a chance to reinstall my asla packages
[13:18] <Mr_Grieves||> beardbar: Sorry :) That wasn't really directed at you
[13:18] <beardbar> bluesKaj: whats the package to grab everything again for alsa?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> beardbar, alsa is acyully default in the last few releases , so it should still be installed
[13:20] <BluesKaj> actually
[13:20] <beardbar> no because oss hase you purge everything alsa and then blacklist em
[13:20] <BluesKaj> OSS and pulsaudio give nothing but greif to most setups
[13:20] <BluesKaj> err grief
[13:21] <beardbar> BluesKaj: I have un blacklisted also just now so just need to install also again - your telling me, finally decided to make the switch to linux since gimp finally got better then photoshop. everything is working accept my audio
[13:21] <BluesKaj> beardbar , alsa-base is the pkg you want
[13:22] <BluesKaj> gimp is better than photoshop ?  ... wow now there's a revalation :)
[13:23] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  for me it is.
[13:26] <beardbar> BluesKaj: http://www.pastie.org/418667
[13:26] <beardbar> i get that when i run alsamixer
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ok run the set default command again , now ttat alsa is installed
[13:29] <seku> cool... it didn't delete anything :D i thought it sounded weird for it to take that kind of iniative
[13:31] <seku> can i change caps lock into ctrl and modify key mappings from somewhere click-click?
[13:33] <beardbar> same messages yay
[13:33] <BluesKaj> seku, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/disable-and-enable-caps-lock-in-ubuntu.html
[13:34] <seku> theres an option for that in xorg.conf too
[13:35] <BluesKaj> seku, yeah, if you can get it towork in 8.10 without breaking X
[13:35] <seku> what does that mean?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> 8.10 is so dependent on HAL that editing Xorg.conf is practically impossible
[13:39] <seku> what is hal? :D
[13:40] <seku> ok
[13:43] <michaeldadmum> !hal
[13:53] <paolo> !list
[14:06] <BluesKaj> !capslock
[14:07] <BluesKaj> !xmodmap
[14:07] <dwidmann> seku, I think so, let me check something
[14:09] <dwidmann> seku: I think you can if you go to system settings -> regional & language -> Keyboard layout, click enable keypad layouts, then go to the advanced tab and there should be an option to change your capslock into something useful there
[14:09] <joshjtl> hey all, what browser do you all use?
[14:10] <joshjtl> i'm considering going back to firefox since i'm not very happy with qt based browsers
[14:11] <kanon-mat> opera ftw!
[14:11] <kanon-mat> but its sucky in gmail
[14:12] <genii> joshjtl: I'm using mostly Firefox and a new one called Arora
[14:12] <genii> (Arora is QT based)
[14:12] <kanon-mat> ff is just flickering the sidebar on and off, very annoying
[14:13] <joshjtl> kanon-mat: exactly, sucks with gmail, otherwise i find it a bit buggy maybe i'll downgrade from 10 before going back to firefox
[14:13] <dwidmann> opera rules
[14:13] <joshjtl> i like arora, but its too simplified for me
[14:13] <dwidmann> genii: are you using qt 4.4 or 4.5?
[14:14] <kanon-mat> maybe i could mail gmail and opera, for them to kiss and make up
[14:14] <joshjtl> theyre not that bad together, in comparison to konqueror and gmail
[14:14] <joshjtl> i wish konqueror would shape up
[14:15] <kanon-mat> search in page are better in ff
[14:15] <genii> dwidmann: I compiled 4.5 for my Hardy
[14:15] <joshjtl> yes
[14:15] <kanon-mat> i mainly use ff for gmail and for editing a wikipage of mine
[14:16] <dwidmann> genii: so how do arora and it get along? I tried some months ago, but it was hideously unstable back then
[14:18] <joshjtl> what version are you opera users running ?
[14:18] <kanon-mat> 9.64
[14:18] <kanon-mat> 64bit
[14:19] <dwidmann> 9.64 64bit also
[14:19] <kanon-mat> qt: 3.3.8b
[14:19] <joshjtl> cool, i was using 10/x64 but i just downgraded to see if its a bit more stable
[14:20] <dwidmann> Should be more stable .... was there anything interesting about 10 worth noting?
[14:20] <kanon-mat> stable as a rock. sometimes a tab freezes
[14:20] <genii> dwidmann: I still have some crashes
[14:20] <genii> Apologies on lag, work is needing me on and off here
[14:20] <joshjtl> dwidmann: not that i noticed no
[14:20] <dwidmann> s'ok genii
[14:20] <joshjtl> 'right gotta go, l8r folks
[14:23] <javi> hi
[14:24] <javi> is there any known problem with jaunty alpha 6 and virtualbox graphics?
[14:25] <genii> javi: #ubuntu+1 is the channel to enquire about Jaunty
[14:25] <javi> genii: thanks!
[14:26] <genii> javi: You're welcome
[14:27] <seku> dwidmann: thanks. Can i somehow toggle so that all dev packages are installed automatically along with actual packages?
[14:31] <dwidmann> seku: not as far as I know
[14:32] <dwidmann> seku: be sure to take advantage of the apt-get build-dep command when you can though ... will help a lot
[14:32] <Turgut> asdf
[14:39] <farhad_hf> hi all
[14:40] <genii> !hi
[14:41] <farhad_hf> i have installed kubuntu 8.10 , i installed nvidia driver from repository but after installing it kdm does not start, i dont know were are kdm and xorg logs to see what the problem is , can anyone help me plz?
[14:42] <seku> dwidmann: thanks again =)
[14:45] <dwidmann> farhad_hf: /var/log/Xorg.....
[14:45] <dwidmann> seku: not a problem
[14:49] <farhad_hf> and another question , i'm tring to install kde4 from svn trunk , do i have to remove the kubuntu's kde to prevent conflicts?
[14:51] <farhad_hf> in Xorg log i have : Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[14:51] <farhad_hf> how can i install it?
[14:51] <farhad_hf> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/132520/
[14:52] <seku> youve upgraded your kernel? reinstall the driver
[14:54] <farhad_hf> no i didn't , i have installed kubuntu from a CD yesterday
[14:54] <farhad_hf> seku: ^
[14:55] <seku> then i dunno =) download the driver from nvidia site, install kernel sources and run the nvidia installer? :D For me it just did it automatically
[14:57] <seku> oh btw, did you pick newest possible driver? I had three choises
[14:58] <XPS_M1330> where are the FONTS stored in the filesystem?
[14:59] <seku> /usr/share/..
[15:01] <farhad_hf> seku: yes
[15:04] <untiled> hi, there is a way to see indeo 5 video on linux?
[15:08] <DoGuKaN> hi
[15:09] <DoGuKaN> When Kubuntu 9.04 will be announced?
[15:09] <fliegenderfrosch> 23.4.
[15:10] <DoGuKaN> ok tanks
[15:10] <DoGuKaN> thanks*
[15:11] <fliegenderfrosch> does anyone have an idea what I can do if I have no systray icons in kde 4.2 (kubuntu intrepid)?
[15:11] <Guest96421> some windows always open fullscreen, I have try to set they windows-behavior on system-settings but doesnt works.. I'm working with compiz, any idea?
[15:13] <Noughmad> fliegenider: right-click on the panel
[15:14] <Noughmad> panel options -> Add Widgets
[15:14] <Noughmad> and add System Tray
[15:16] <SiRs> aupa
[15:17] <SiRs> how to see canals near my city?
[15:17] <SiRs> any person can speak ¿
[15:24] <blahjake> SiRs: google maps? (what does this have to do with kubuntu?)
[15:26] <victim> I would use my eyes, YMMV
[15:28] <administrador> hola
[15:28] <jacopo> hi
[15:29] <SiRs> holaa
[15:33] <SiRs> administrador: oye como puedo entrar a un canal de mi ciudad?
[15:33] <Pici> !es | SiRs
[15:34] <SiRs> ok
[15:34] <SiRs> I can speak english
[15:35] <SiRs> but I see administrator speking spanish and speack with him ..
[15:40] <seku> how come i have icons only for a fraction of choises in adept?
[15:53] <Noughmad> seku: there are several adepts
[15:53] <Noughmad> updater, installer and manager
[15:53] <Noughmad> try the manager
[15:55] <seku> ok, thanks
[15:55] <Noughmad> np
[15:57] <seku> still no icons, but doesn't matter :D at least it's not the same icon for every app
[16:02] <seku> one more stupid question... where from can i change the launch menu items?
[16:04] <blahjake> seku: right-click the K -> Menu Editor
[16:05] <seku> duh... i tried right clicking the thing i wanted to change. :D Ok, no more stupid questions. Thanks
[16:11] <seku> anyone having graphics problems with nvidia binary drivers? Is this a kde thing 4.1 thing? or some other thing?
[16:12] <hix>  no probs in 4.2.1 with newest, if this info helps u anything ;)
[16:14] <noren> hi all
[16:15] <noren> is there any application which wiwl show me all the application in kubbuntu showing different bandwith usage
[16:15] <seku> 8.10 i pull them from somewhere or compile myself? I don't want to pull half the distribution along with 4.2
[16:16] <noren> seku:: ??
[16:16] <seku> how do i install it? =)
[16:17] <noren> seku: download the iso file and burn it on cd
[16:18] <seku> kde?
[16:18] <noren> seku: but 8.10 will come with kde4.0
[16:19] <hix> seku: not sure 'bout 8.10, jaunty here. version 180 may not be on 8.10. Just select at 'restricted hardware drivers'...
[16:19] <noren> hix: jaunty in 9.04 alfa u must be using
[16:19] <seku> i am using nvidia binary drivers ^^ .. i mean how i should upgrade the kde to a less buggy version, if thats works ok?
[16:21] <seku> nevermind -.-. upgrade to jaunty?
[16:21] <noren> seku: yes u can upgrade to jaunty
[16:21] <samira> hi
[16:22] <noren> !hi | samira
[16:23] <kanon-mat> :)
[16:24] <draik__> How do I rebuild GRUB to include my WinXP HDD? I installed Kubuntu on my desktop without any other hard drives attached and I want to add XP to GRUB from my other HDD.
[16:25] <RurouniJones> edit grub.lst in /boot
[16:25] <RurouniJones> If I remember correctly
[16:26] <samira> hi noren:) I need help tp install my webcam in my kubuntu
[16:26] <noren> !grub | draik__
[16:26] <RurouniJones> Oo, useful
[16:26] <noren> !webcam
[16:27] <samira> yes webcam, A4tech PK-35N
[16:27] <khakane> anyone help me get sound working on VLC?
[16:30] <samira> is there any good tutorial about linux? i need to learn it well
[16:30] <noren> khakane: even i have the same prob, i got the alternative install kaffine for now
[16:31] <noren> samira: buy a linux book !!
[16:31] <samira> thank you
[16:32] <noren> samira: j/k is ur prob with webcam solved
[16:33] <samira> not yet noren
[16:34] <samira> I found that the driver is gspca but i couldn't install it yet
[16:34] <noren> samira: wat is the error
[16:36] <samira> in my adept manager i try to install it but it suddenly interrupt and say it can't be installed
[16:36] <samira> it says: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[16:36] <noren> try sudo apt-get install <package>
[16:37] <noren> and tell me the error
[16:37] <samira> in Konsole you mean?
[16:37] <samira> you mean directly i install it myself?
[16:38] <noren> yes konsole
[16:38] <samira> I don't know how to do this exactly
[16:39] <noren> alt f2 >> then type Konsole
[16:39] <samira> ok
[16:39] <samira> i did
[16:39] <josh-l> hi, anyone know how to turn on autocomplete in opera?
[16:40] <noren> now: sudo apt-get install gspca
[16:40] <samira> i did and it says:
[16:40] <samira> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:40] <samira> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:41] <hix> close adept
[16:41] <noren> close adept and then do so
[16:41] <samira> ok now it says:
[16:41] <samira> Reading package lists... Done
[16:41] <samira> Building dependency tree
[16:41] <samira> Reading state information... Done
[16:41] <samira> E: Couldn't find package gspca
[16:43] <genii> !info gspca-source
[16:46] <samira> i can't full upgrade in my adept manager, when i click on it nothing starts
[16:46] <samira> why?
[16:47] <noren> i guess u gotta build it frm the source only
[16:47] <samira> how
[16:48] <samira> i didn't understand what ubunto said to me
[16:48] <noren> try: sudo apt-get install gspca-source
[16:48] <samira> ok
[16:49] <Slartibartfast> !module-assistant
[16:49] <samira> :)
[16:50] <Slartibartfast> anyway ... module-assistant is a help program to let you build a module from source and it will auto install it for you
[16:51] <rabindra> i just plugged in a harddisk on my computer (connects using PATA), how do I mount it?
[16:51] <rabindra> someone let me know
[16:51] <samira> where can i find module-assistant?
[16:51] <noren> genii: is there any software to know the bandwidth usage of different application
[16:52] <Slartibartfast> samira: sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[16:52] <noren> rabindra: use fdisk-l to know the dev info then :: mount dev/XXX to <directory>
[16:53] <samira> thanx Slarti
[16:53] <rabindra> fdisk -l gives no output
[16:53] <genii> noren: Not that I know of. There are some which just tell you throughput of eth0 wlan0   etc but no options for specific app usages
[16:53] <rabindra> the interface i plugged my harddisk is the same in which I would plug my CDROM earlier
[16:54] <rabindra> so i tried mount dev/hda
[16:54] <rabindra> and this is the error from dmesg
[16:54] <rabindra>   432.288000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[16:54] <rabindra> [  432.288000] hda: task_in_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[16:54] <rabindra> [  432.288000] hda: task_in_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
[16:54] <rabindra> [  432.288000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] ide0: reset: success
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] hda: set_geometry_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] hda: set_geometry_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 64
[16:55] <rabindra> [  432.336000] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hda, iso_blknum=16, block=32
[16:55] <noren> rabindra: what distro and whic hveeersion
[16:55] <rabindra> kubuntu 7.10
[16:55] <noren> !pastebin >rabindra
[16:56] <rabindra> noren: got it
[16:57] <rabindra> i mean about pastebin
[17:01] <rabindra> noren: any help
[17:01] <hix> noren:  'pktstat' may help you
[17:02] <noren> pkstat
[17:03] <hix> http://www.adaptive-enterprises.com.au/~d/software/pktstat/
[17:03] <hix> should be in repos
[17:03] <noren> rabindra: u used usb to connect external harddisk ??
[17:05] <seku> the upgrade instructions are something diffirent than i did... modify sources.conf and do aptitude dist-upgrade. Am i in trouble? :D It hasn't started installations yet
[17:07] <noren> sekuwat are u doing
[17:07] <seku> downloading jaunty
[17:07] <noren> samira: did u get the gspca and the module-assistant
[17:08] <seku> nope
[17:08] <noren> seku i guess only upgrading
[17:08] <seku> yes
[17:08] <draik_> noren: Thanks. I got XP back to boot. I could have sworn it was hd2 rather than hd1 from last I checked
[17:08] <samira> no i didn't:(
[17:09] <noren> u didnt had koffice installed
[17:09] <noren> draik_: y thanking me
[17:09] <rabindra> noren: it's not external harddisk
[17:09] <rabindra> i used this command
[17:10] <rabindra> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /media/sdb
[17:10] <rabindra> and the following was the error
[17:10] <noren> samira: get the gspca-source and the module-assistant and we will help u install it
[17:10] <rabindra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/132577/
[17:11] <samira> how to get them?
[17:11] <rabindra> noren: i know the hard disk was earlier corrupted
[17:11] <rabindra> noren: what i want is to recover the data
[17:11] <noren> sudo apt-get install gspca-source && module-assistant
[17:12] <samira> i did that
[17:12] <noren> !mount | rabindra
[17:12] <samira> but it says:
[17:12] <samira> Reading package lists... Done
[17:12] <samira> Building dependency tree
[17:12] <samira> Reading state information... Done
[17:13] <samira> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[17:13] <samira> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:13] <samira>   gspca-source: Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37) but it is not going to be installed
[17:13] <samira>                 Depends: module-assistant but it is not going to be installed
[17:13] <samira>   intltool-debian: Depends: gettext but it is not going to be installed
[17:13] <samira> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[17:13] <noren> samira: did it complete without error
[17:13] <samira> no
[17:13] <noren> samira: sudo apt-get -f install
[17:14] <samira> it says:
[17:14] <samira> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:14] <samira>   gspca-source: Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37) but it is not going to be installed
[17:14] <noren> rabindra : i would suggest to use windows to get back the data...
[17:15] <rabindra> noren: with windows i am not able to boot with this harddisk
[17:15] <samira> Err http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main gettext 0.16.1-1ubuntu2
[17:15] <samira>   404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]
[17:15] <samira> Failed to fetch http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gettext/gettext_0.16.1-1ubuntu2_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]
[17:15] <samira> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[17:15] <seku> cool... now it's in liloconfig
[17:16] <genii> samira: Please use the pastebin website if you have more than 2 or 3 lines of text.
[17:17] <genii> samira: Feisty reached it's end-of-life now and the repositories are no longer maintained
[17:17] <rabindra> noren: i used system settings. -> ...................... -> filesystems........
[17:17] <rabindra> this is the error: Return code from mount was 32. mount failure
[17:17] <wallshot> this may be an obscure thing nobody is familiar with, but it seems when i boot up jaunty on my thinkpad with the external LCD, it starts up in 1024x768, despite display settings for external set to 1280x...
[17:17] <rabindra> if harddisk is corrupted, isn't there anyway to recover the data
[17:17] <wallshot> but then when i open system settings and go to Display, it resets to 1280 automatically
[17:18] <wallshot> annoying having to open display settings every day after logging in to set rez to desired previously chosen value
[17:18] <wallshot> with other os's i just tweaked xorg.conf with line like: Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" and it'd go with highest available for the device, but i'm trying to do things the kubuntu way without hacking up my confs in vi
[17:20] <wallshot> rabindra: often, there is no way.  sometimes you can get lucky, but dependign on how hosed the fs is due to corruption, it may take delicate combing over the entire disk image for useful data, which might be harder than most people can do
[17:20] <wallshot> oh... they quit ...
[17:20] <wallshot> it's all about asking a question then /quit 2 mins later
[17:21] <genii> Well, people are impatient, design flaw....
[17:21]  * wallshot snickers
[17:21] <noren> rabindra : i used windows to recover mine thats y i dont know how to do that with kubuntu
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[17:22] <wallshot> good morning, ActionParsnip
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> its just gone 5pm dude :)
[17:23] <josh-l> what are you kubuntu users using for image editing? gimp? or krita?
[17:23] <josh-l> or other?
[17:24] <wallshot> when i used freebsd/kde i used kolourpaint and krita iirc...  when i get around to image editing in kubuntu i'm pretty certain i'll use the same tools
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: kolourpaint
[17:25] <josh-l> okay
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: its rocking
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> kolourpaint is similar to mspaint
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> :D:D
[17:26] <wallshot> kolourpaint is what i go to for almost all things basic like resizing, cropping, adding arrows or circles to screenshots, etc
[17:26] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: is there a metapackage for kubuntu that install kde image editing tools do you know?
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: apt-cache search image | grep -i edit
[17:27] <wallshot> i believe it's usually wrapped into a package called kdegraphics for most systems
[17:28] <wallshot> kdegraphics - graphics applications from the official KDE 4 release
[17:28] <josh-l> ahh ok thanks
[17:33] <wallshot> man that apt-cache search is nice
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: no idea, just install apps you need rather than a metapackage with a load of fluff you might not use
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> wallshot: yep, use that with apt-get and you have the functionality of synaptic but better
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> wallshot: you can grep the output
[17:43] <domas_> hello
[17:48] <josh-l> hey folks, gotta pretty serious problem here, running Kubuntu Jaunty, I can't shutdown, or reboot, when I try I eventually get to a screen with "Will now halt *" and then I have to ctrl+alt+del out of that.
[17:50] <josh-l> help?
[17:50] <wirechief> josh-l: did you try shutdown -h now in a terminal ?
[17:50] <Slartibartfast> josh-l: for jaunty discussions go to #ubuntu+1
[17:51] <josh-l> Slartibartfast: ok
[17:51] <josh-l> wirechief: no think i should?
[17:51] <wirechief> josh-l: well if i was trying to shutdown and reboot thats what id do
[17:51] <Slartibartfast> josh-l: can be a buggy nvidia driver
[17:51] <wirechief> the now might be /now
[17:51] <josh-l> Slartibartfast: not using nvidia
[17:52] <Slartibartfast> OK
[17:52] <wirechief> are you using ati
[17:52] <josh-l> wirechief: no intel
[17:52] <wirechief> ok
[17:53] <Slartibartfast> josh-l: anyway, i think you better should discuss this in #ubuntu+1
[17:53] <josh-l> #ubuntu+1 suggested I try adding acpi=force at kernel line on boot
[17:54] <josh-l> any thoughts on that?
[17:54] <Slartibartfast> josh-l: can try that out ... add in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:55] <ECVC> hey all
[17:56] <ECVC> can someone tell me why the java console hasnt updated for daylight savings time?
[17:56] <ECVC> i have a java app that thinks the time is an hour earlier than it really is
[17:56] <josh-l> this is odd, trying to install kdegraphics-kde4 and apt is telling me there is no candidate
[17:56] <ECVC> i know this by the debugging output in the console
[17:57] <dennda> What do I need to install in order to get a KDE4.2 widget that allows showing an image from disk?
[18:01] <ActionParsnip> dennda: theres an image viewing one last time i used widgets
[18:02] <dennda> ActionParsnip: Yes, I had it once. I just installed KDE4.2 from intrepid backports and now it's not in my list
[18:03] <ActionParsnip> dennda: try: www.kde-look.org
[18:04] <lutiusveratius> !mount ntfs
[18:05] <alesan> hey do you know how to uninstall the gnome sutff? I started with a ubuntu installation and now that kde3.5 is available I want to delete gnome
[18:05] <ActionParsnip> !purekde
[18:13] <lutiusveratius> !mountntfs
[18:14] <Slartibartfast> !mount.ntfs-3g
[18:15]  * genii sips his coffee
[18:20] <goofey> !ntfs
[18:28] <seku> was easy :D boot with cd, mount proc and bind /dev, fix grub, reboot, invoke dhclient
[18:30] <seku> and fix nvidia from xorg.conf but that doesn't count.
[18:38] <runpain2> problem i installed kubuntu 7.10 on my laptop cause i dont like the 8.10 the kde4 i dont like kde 3 is fine with me but my login screen  I use is with login manager where i can choose my background well i have tried and tried yet the back ground wont show up just the color i choose what can i do to fix this
[18:39] <lutiusveratius> I cannot mount my hdd...any know some solution?
[18:40] <sorteal> lutiusveratius : I'm assuming you've tried to mount it through both the gui and terminal?
[18:40] <runpain2> lutiusveratius, tryto go to properties and uncheck the mount as user box in permissionsuser box
[18:41] <lutiusveratius> I have done that before
[18:41] <elirips> Hello. Since I have KDE 4.2 I have problems playing videos using kmplayer: If the movie is not in full-screen mode, there is a heavy flickering. Anyone got me a hint?
[18:41] <lutiusveratius> it was doing everything ok...and today it says that I can open it only as a rook user
[18:43] <lutiusveratius> sorteal and runpain2 :it was doing everything ok...and today it says that I can open it only as a rook user
[18:43] <seku> lutiusveratius: put user to options in fstab?
[18:43] <lutiusveratius> seku : mean to edit fstab?
[18:44] <seku> yes
[18:46] <lutiusveratius> seku : hm... gedit is not working...what's the command to edit it in kate?
[18:46] <seku> sudo kate /etc/fstab
[18:46] <genii> don't use sudo with gui apps
[18:46] <seku> why?
[18:47] <genii> seku: Because it screws up permissions for the regular user to run them again normally after
[18:48] <genii> !kdesu
[18:48] <pablo_> hello
[18:48] <seku> kdesu kate /etc/fstab then =)
[18:48] <Mr_Griev1s|> !vmware
[18:48] <pablo_> anyone knows where to adjust display gamma in 8.10?
[18:49] <kanon-mat> hmm, kdesu works for me, should i make an alias for kdesudo?
[18:50] <lutiusveratius> seku : bash: kdesu: command not found
[18:50] <seku> you could use nano
[18:50] <seku> its easy to use command line editor
[18:52] <lutiusveratius> seku : /dev/sda1 /media/DOO\040IZO ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 <---in command line...should there be some auto mount?O.o
[18:52] <seku> auto option
[18:52] <lutiusveratius> seku : like this... /dev/sda1 /media/DOO\040IZO ntfs-3g defaults,auto,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[18:53] <seku> man fstab tells what "defaults" is as an option list
[18:53] <pablo_> I looked for gamma options in xorg.conf but its mostly empty... any other ideas?
[18:53] <seku> yes
[18:54] <seku> pablo_: try kgamma
[18:55] <pablo_> is it not installed by default?
[18:55] <seku> dunno... try aptitude search kgamma -- i status means installed
[18:55] <seku> a too... auto
[18:55] <pablo_> ok
[18:57] <noaXess> how can i watch a stream like this: mms://stream.livetv.chello.ch:554/Eurosport
[18:57] <noaXess> vlc gives me an error..
[18:57] <pablo_> it shows as p?
[18:57] <seku> p means purge, its not installed
[18:57] <seku> do aptitude install kgamma
[18:58] <seku> noaXess: try get the error message
[18:58] <noaXess> wait
[19:00] <lutiusveratius> seku : I have tried few ways to mount my hdd...not working
[19:00] <Spectre> hi, I set up turnig on numlock after start kubuntu.... but... numlock works, but numlock's LED doesn't light... any idea?
[19:00] <lutiusveratius> seku : sometimes it says that i need to enter this in command line /dev/sda1 /media/HDD2 ntfs-3g force 0 0
[19:02] <seku> there is no such command. /dev/sda1 is a device file
[19:02] <seku> thats referring to fstab probably?
[19:03] <lutiusveratius> seku : done it... yes,that was refering to fstab,and I have just put force after default and auto
[19:03] <noaXess> seku: can't connect. thats all.. hm..
[19:03] <lutiusveratius> seku : and then just used in terminal command mount /dev/sda1
[19:03] <shadeslayer> hi,kubuntu doesnt seem to automount my CD ROM,any ideas??
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: try: sudo mount -a
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: no
[19:05] <Spectre> any idea?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> it didnt work,although sudo mount -f /dev/cdrom works
[19:05] <shadeslayer> but i cant see the drive
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ca/S:1363620
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: check in fstab for your options for /dev/scd0
[19:07] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: kdesudo kate /dev/scd0 ?
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: sure
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: here's mine
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> http://pastebin.com/f4d593312
[19:07]  * genii smacks ActionParsnip
[19:07] <genii> shadeslayer: Don't try to edit the /dev/scd0
[19:08] <shadeslayer> genii: yeah,sorry
[19:08] <shadeslayer> its blank
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> genii: oh yeah
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: i think i typed the wrong command
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[19:08]  * ActionParsnip facepalms
[19:10] <shadeslayer> hmmm my paste widget doesnt seem to be working,looks like ill have to paste manually
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: pastebinit /etc/fstab
[19:10] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1363633
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: got it!
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: you have a space in nyour fstab
[19:11] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: before the word user and after 9660
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: there is a space, put a comma
[19:12] <linknet_> nbnvbnvbnbnvbn
[19:12] <shadeslayer> uh one sec
[19:12] <linknet_> jhjhj
[19:12] <genii> linknet_: Please stop that
[19:12] <shadeslayer> found it
[19:13] <linknet_> fff
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: what next ??
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: once that is editted, save and exit kate, then run: sudo umount -a
[19:14] <linknet_> hj
[19:14] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: all devices are busy
[19:14]  * shadeslayer wonders how soon the ops kick in
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: thats fine, they are mounted as they should be, try: sudo mount /dev/scd0
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: : lol , mount: unknown filesystem type 'utf8'
[19:16] <linknet> dnhh
[19:16] <linknet> jhjfjhfjdffffg
[19:16] <linknet> gld;fgldfgdfgdfgdf
[19:16] <linknet> kgghkl';gk;h
[19:16] <shadeslayer> oh boy
[19:16] <linknet> lgld;lfg;gl;l;glg
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: My bad, the space is correct
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: just copy the line from mine, easier
[19:16] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: one moment
[19:16]  * genii sips
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/f4d593312
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: just the last one??
[19:17] <genii> linknet: You're next if you don't stop
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: yea as thats the one for /dev/scd0
[19:17] <seku> how come i get address with dhclient but network management says not connected nor can get a connection -.-'
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: then sudo mount -a again??
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: sure
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[19:19] <mado> hello guys and gals ...
[19:19] <mado> i'm sitting at my father's computer at the moment ...
[19:19] <mado> he uses kubuntu 8.10 ...
[19:20] <shadeslayer> !enter | mado
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: re-edit the file and press enter on the end of the line
[19:20] <mado> yeah yeah shadeslayer :)
[19:20] <mado> erm ... thing is ... i think i got some error-messages during the boot-process
[19:20] <shadeslayer> mado: i got banned from #ubuntu for that kind of behaviour,better watch out
[19:21] <mado> oh! ... shadeslayer ... is it that bad now? ... the last time i was here i was allowed to explain some things before
[19:21] <shadeslayer> mado: i dont get you
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> mado: just explain your situation and we will help
[19:22] <mado> shadeslayer, ... i will tell you later :)
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: still no go,it does not show in dolphin,strange
[19:22] <wallshot> they banned you without asking you to cut down on the excessive carriage returns first?  that's pretty harsh.
[19:22] <mado> can you tell me where i can look up the messages from the bootscreen?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> wallshot: that and some other things
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> mado: dmesg | less
[19:22] <mado> thank you ActionParsnip
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: could try a reboot
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ok,ill brb then
[19:23] <mado> is it possible to write the output into a text-file ActionParsnip ?
[19:23] <kanon-mat> !redirection
[19:24] <kanon-mat> mado: dmesg > thedmesgfile
[19:24] <__mikem> What is the "lancelot part widget" (not to be confused with the "lancelot launcher") and how do I use it?
[19:24] <mado> thanks kanon-mat ... where do i find the file then?
[19:25] <demi> So i tried Kubuntu 9.03 alpha 6 today, installed fine, cept actually loading into kde, got a crash error and nothign showed up=\ lol
[19:25] <seku> mado: in current working directory
[19:25] <assilva> m4v hi
[19:25] <kanon-mat> thats a file that u decide where to put and what to call, mado
[19:25] <demi> also i thought the new version is suppose to use the ext4 filesystem?
[19:25] <assilva> m4v, hi
[19:25] <demi> It installed using ext3
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> demi: if you apply the latest updates that crash should be fixed
[19:26] <assilva> m4v, your bitch
[19:26] <demi> Nothing could load up to even update it...
[19:26] <demi> Well unless i used the terminal outside of kde.. think that would work?
[19:26] <mado> ok then ...
[19:26] <kanon-mat> mado@puter:~/ $ dmesg > Desktop/blablafile
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> !ohmy | assilva
[19:27] <mado> thanks kanon-mat :)
[19:27] <sorteal> demi : it has ext4 support but I think ext3 is still the default you'd have to manually set up the partition table for ext4 support if I understand it correctly
[19:27] <mado> as you all can see i'm a beginner :)
[19:27] <assilva> JontheEchidna, fala cupade
[19:28] <assilva> JontheEchidna, bicha
[19:28] <demi> Would it be wise to use ext4 over ext3 atm?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: nope
[19:28] <shadeslayer> genii: another one??
[19:28] <sorteal> Not at the moment I'd wait till they start to use it as default still to many bugs from what I understand
[19:28] <nen> shadeslayer, bichaa
[19:29] <shadeslayer> huh??
[19:29] <seku> mado: if you just wanna observe what happens at dmesk, you could use tail -f
[19:29]  * shadeslayer was expecting a kick
[19:29] <__mikem> does anyone know anything about the "lancelot part" widget?
[19:29] <genii> shadeslayer: Apparently he had to get in one last stab
[19:29] <shadeslayer> __mikem: does not work
[19:29] <mado> seku, ... kanon-mat ... ActionParsnip ... shadeslayer ... and the rest of you in here -> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/688
[19:30] <demi> Either way using KDE4.2 has been giving me nothing but troubles, especially everytime i reboot my screen resolution goes to 1600x1200, then when I go into display it shows 1280x960 and refreshes right away... happens every restart and is annoying as heck, anyone had that prob yet?
[19:30] <__mikem> shadeslayer, either it doesn't work or I don't know how to use it :\
[19:30] <shadeslayer> __mikem: at least for me
[19:30] <kanon-mat> what are u looking for, mado?
[19:30] <boitata> shadeslayer, shut up not
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> mado: i dont know what you issue is so me reading that is pointless
[19:30] <mado> line 483 for example
[19:30] <__mikem> demi, KDE4.2 has been peaches and cream for me so far
[19:30] <shadeslayer> boitata: please do not insult me
[19:31] <mado> ActionParsnip, kanon-mat shadeslayer seku ... -> line 483 for example
[19:31] <demi> I have reinstalled it several times this past week or so, and everytime i have problems with resolution going to max upon reboot.
[19:31] <shadeslayer> mado: im a n00b
[19:31] <boitata> FAQ mentioned there. This channel is publicly logged. The official Ubuntu logs are at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
 seku, ... kanon-mat ... ActionParsnip ... shadeslayer ... and the rest of you in here -> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/688
 Either way using KDE4.2 has been giving me nothing but troubles, especially everytime i reboot my screen resolution goes to 1600x1200, then when I go into display it shows 1280x960 and refreshes right away... happens every restart and is annoying as heck, anyone had that prob yet?
 shadeslayer, either it doesn't work or I don't know how to use it :\
 __mikem: at least for me
 what are u looking for, mado?
 shadeslayer, shut up not
 mado: i dont know what you issue is so me reading that is pointless
 line 483 for example
 demi, KDE4.2 has been peaches and cream for me so far
[19:32] <peaches> __mikem: it all changes once you start to use it
[19:32]  * shadeslayer is lost
[19:32] <__mikem> stdin, I think he made it back in before the ban
[19:32] <sorteal> demi : I've had 0 problems out of KDE4.2 but I'm using it in Mandriva and they customize it quit a bit.  Still using 3.5.10 in Kubuntu
[19:32] <__mikem> peaches, lol at your nick and the ironic unintended highlight
[19:32] <stdin> __mikem: good thing ban == mute :)
[19:32] <__mikem> stdin, I thought that was only true if it began with the % token
[19:32] <mado> boitata, i'm not sure but line 483 looks like an error to me ... what do you say?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> __mikem: the lancelot widget works flawlesly
[19:33] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: any other ideas??
[19:33] <seku> mado: try another usb port
[19:33] <__mikem> shadeslayer, yes, the launcher works flawlessly, but there is another widget called "lancelot part"
[19:33] <victim> how do I fsck all my partitions?
[19:33] <demi> yea im on 3.5 now in kubuntu, i still like the looks of the new 4.2, but still probs for me.
[19:33] <shadeslayer> __mikem: i have it :P
[19:33] <seku> mado: and other devices
[19:33] <stdin> __mikem: the only difference is that a mute lets you join the channel, both will stop you from sending to the channel
[19:33] <__mikem> stdin, oh
[19:34] <mado> seku, erm ... i don't get it at the moment ...
[19:34] <__mikem> shadeslayer, Lancelot Launcher works fine, but I can't make heads or tails of Lancelot Part
[19:34] <mado> on my father's computer there are two usb-hubs ...
[19:34] <mado> do these usb-hubs cause the error?
[19:34] <mado> seku, ?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> __mikem: me neither,nor does it work i think
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: can you manually mount?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> __mikem: i think #kde will have a better idea
[19:35] <__mikem> shadeslayer, very few of the configuration options are actually exposed :\
[19:35] <kanon-mat> "error" in dmesg isnt always serious
[19:35] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: now it cant find cdrom or scd0
[19:36] <mado> is there a way to filter that stuff kanon-mat ? ... like ... all the messages that have something to do with "usb"
[19:36] <seku> mado: i don't know... i'd dig up what that 110 is
[19:37] <kanon-mat> !pipe
[19:37] <kanon-mat> :(
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: maybe i forgot to mention that i use powertop as well,which disables hal
[19:38] <kanon-mat> mado:  u can "pipe" commands, feeding them through eachother :)
[19:38] <kanon-mat> dmesg | grep usb
[19:38] <mado> kanon-mat, thank you
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: maybe thats causing issues
[19:39] <kanon-mat> look up pipe and redirection, its very useful
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: so basically i enable hal?? how??
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: start it in /etc/init.d is my guess, not sure as ive never disabled it
[19:40] <pyroben92> hi
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ill just run powertop to see what it edits then
[19:40] <pyroben92> can you read this?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:41] <pyroben92> sweet
[19:41]  * shadeslayer hates sweet things
[19:41] <pyroben92> I love sweet things
[19:42] <mado> oh come on guys and gals ... some boys / girls are sweet / cute :))
[19:42] <mado> and what about pudding or chocolate? :)
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: maybe i can mount it to another place??
[19:42] <mado> ok ... sorry!
[19:42] <pyroben92> well i gtg ttyl
[19:43] <shadeslayer> uh i have 3 lines to paste,here or pastebin??
[19:43] <genii> 3 should be ok
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: sure, you can ount anywhere you wish except in /proc
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Suggestion: Disable 'hal' from polling your cdrom with:
[19:43] <shadeslayer> hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom 'hal' is the component that auto-opens a
[19:43] <shadeslayer> window if you plug in a CD but disables SATA power saving from kicking in.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> sorry closed the wrong window
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: so what do you think??
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: sure, you can ount anywhere you wish except in /proc
[19:45] <shadeslayer> uh no about hal
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: not sure, not played with it
[19:45] <seku> you're forgiven =) if you tell me where to start troubleshooting "network management" thing can't establish a connection (but dhclient by hand can)
[19:46] <demi> Gonna retry running kubuntu 9.03, see ya
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: nope
[19:47] <genii> seku: If you have some entry in /etc/network/interfaces  for a device, the networkmanagaer will believe it is manually configured and not do anything with it
[19:47] <shadeslayer> so now my question changes to : has anyone played with hal??
[19:47] <seku> i shouldn't have... let me check.
[19:48] <seku> nope
[19:49]  * shadeslayer looks at the list of 128 devices to figure which one is his CDROM
[19:49] <kanon-mat> is it /dev/scd0 ?
[19:50]  * stdin would look at what /dev/cdrom points to
[19:50] <genii> seku: Alternately you can also use that file to specify something like: auto eth0  and underneath:iface eth0 inet dhcp       (if eth0 is the name)
[19:50] <genii> seku: Then that will override the networkmanager
[19:51] <seku> that i do... and remove the thing from taskbar ^^
[19:51] <seku> thanks
[19:52] <genii> seku: np
[19:52] <shadeslayer> stdin: thanks
[19:53] <shadeslayer> stdin: im looking at fstab,but what do i provide exo-mount with??
[19:54] <shadeslayer> UUID??
[19:55]  * shadeslayer uses gnome-mount
[19:55] <mado> seku, ... i haven't found anything so far but i keep searching :=) ...
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ill come back tomorrow,im just too tires
[19:55] <shadeslayer> *d
[19:56] <shadeslayer> bye
[19:56] <mado> in the mean-time i tried "lsusb" and it shows me some devices :)
[19:56] <mado> bye shadeslayer
[19:56] <shadeslayer> XD
[19:56] <seku> mado: lkml might be the place to look for. You can put site: directive to google
[19:56] <noren> hi all
[19:56] <mado> what is "lkml" seku ?
[19:57] <seku> linux kernel mailing list
[19:57] <seku> .org
[19:57] <mado> uhuu ... i see
[19:57] <mado> thank you :)
[19:57] <seku> well, the other place to find it is probably source :D
[19:58] <mado> well ... but i'm just a beginner ... i don't know anything about this seku :))
[19:58] <seku> me neither... i just read what all the smart guys write ^^
[19:59] <jtisme> anyone know of a opensource web ide I need to do some web work for a friend
[19:59] <shadeslayer> I came back to tell you one thing,the CD mounts in GNOME
[19:59] <seku> btw, if you put the error message to google in quotes, google searches for that exact thing
[19:59] <seku> without it just searches those words
[19:59] <seku> and site:lkml.org searches just from lkml.org
[20:00] <shadeslayer> figure that out
[20:01] <heiritx> iepe
[20:02] <heiritx> ze esate zue?
[20:02] <noren> heiritx: english plz
[20:02] <tekteen> heiritx: what language?
[20:02] <tekteen> espanol?
[20:02] <tekteen> probably not
[20:03] <mado> isn't there a kubuntu-es tekteen ?
[20:03] <tekteen> mado there is
[20:03] <tekteen> !es
[20:03] <mado> so?
[20:03] <tekteen> mado: yes
[20:04] <mado> *smiling*
[20:06] <White_Pelican> I'm running debian through vbox. I'm trying to install the guest additions. it informs me I am not in the sudoers file. how do I fix this?
[20:09] <xjjk> White_Pelican: easiest thing to do is add your user to the "admin" group
[20:09] <xjjk> you can also edit /etc/sudoers manually with visudo
[20:10] <samira> hi
[20:11] <samira> Kubuntu upgrade 7.04 to 7.10 locked up Adept Manager, what should i do
[20:11] <samira> Kubuntu upgrade 7.04 to 7.10 locked up Adept Manager, what should i do
[20:12] <xjjk> samira: don't reboot...
[20:12] <samira> i did unfortunately !
[20:13] <xjjk> samira: mmm
[20:13] <xjjk> well, try running update manager again
[20:13] <samira> i turned off my laptop then turned on
[20:13] <samira> how
[20:14] <samira> i was just updating my kubuntu 7.04
[20:14] <samira> then it stoped
[20:14] <xjjk> er, updating, or upgrading from 7.04->7.10?
[20:14] <samira> yes
[20:14] <samira> then i cliked on upgrade
[20:14] <samira> then it failed
[20:14] <samira> then i couldn't enter the adept manager
[20:14] <xjjk> where there any errors?
[20:15] <samira> it says database is locked
[20:15] <xjjk> you should just be able to run adept/update-manager again
[20:15] <mado> seku, ... whom should i write what exactly in LKML ?
[20:15] <samira> i can't
[20:15] <xjjk> samira: do a quick check... open a terminal, and run:
[20:15] <xjjk> ps aux | grep adept
[20:15] <xjjk> ps aux | grep apt
[20:15] <xjjk> ps aux | grep dpkg
[20:15] <xjjk> verify nothing is running
[20:15] <samira> ok
[20:16] <samira> i have to run these lines one by one?
[20:16] <xjjk> yes
[20:16] <mado> seku, ... you ... the usb-problem ...
[20:16] <samira> so i entered first line and the result is as below
[20:17] <samira> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                        able)
[20:17] <samira> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                        ess using it?
[20:17] <mado> how can i write those guys and gals on LKML ? ... and what exactly should i tell them? seku
[20:17] <xjjk> samira: hrm, useful, but you won't get those messages if you ran the commands I gave you
[20:17] <kanon-mat> what are u trying to do with usb, mado?
[20:17] <xjjk> the commands I gave you check whether something is running or not
[20:18] <kanon-mat> kernel developement is maybe not the first step
[20:18] <mado> kanon-mat, it's just the same thing i mentioned earlier ... i don't really know what the whole thing means ... and ...
[20:18] <kanon-mat> does ur usb work?
[20:18] <mado> i don't know what i should do
[20:19] <kanon-mat> if it works u dont have to do anything :)
[20:21] <mado> kanon-mat, -> here ... check this out ... and can you help me so that i can find out if the things are working? -> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/691
[20:21] <tmeixner_> where do I change the start/stop system sounds in ? The default sounds like a bird walking over a casio keyboard.
[20:21] <kanon-mat> if you put an usb device in, can u access it?
[20:21] <mado> one thing though ... this computer has two scanners connected via usb ... i can only see one kanon-mat
[20:21] <tmeixner_> kde that is.
[20:22] <seku> mado: I'm not sure it belongs to the list, but if you post it, provide your dmesg and relevant hardware info. If you are sure the thing isn't broken and your usb works fine other than that...
[20:23] <mado> well ... i found the "printer" in this kde-menu ... i'm now trying to print a page
[20:24] <mado> ok ... printer works fine ... mouse too ...
[20:24] <mado> that makes two usb-things work :)
[20:24] <seku> a high speed device?
[20:24] <mado> now i will try the others ...
[20:24] <mado> seku, i don't know :)
[20:26] <seku> mado: it's not exactly a support forum, but if everyhting should be fine it might be a bug =) and if not its a good excuse =)
[20:30] <mado> erm ... ok ... printer works fine ... mouse too ... the two usb-hard-disks can be mounted ...
[20:31] <mado> now for the scanners ... what is the default scan-ocr-program in kubuntu 8.10 with kde4 installed?
[20:31] <mado> or asked differently ...
[20:31] <mado> how can i check the scanners are working fine seku ?
[20:33] <mado> because i can't see "kooka" seku
[20:33] <serox> Hi!
[20:34] <serox> I just plugged in a microphone into my laptop.
[20:34] <serox> I plugged into the mic-slot.
[20:34] <serox> But I don't know how to make it work.
[20:34] <xjjk> mado: I think the name of the KDE4 scanning application is skanlite
[20:34] <serox> Can somebody maybe help me
[20:34] <serox> ?
[20:35] <ivanatwork> serox: you have to open your audio mix
[20:35] <mado> xjjk, ... ok ... i'll check that
[20:35] <genii> mado: gimp or xsane should still work
[20:35] <serox> ivanatwork: I have kmix open.
[20:36] <xjjk> mado: yah, actually, personally I use gimp/quiteinsane
[20:36] <cTn> http://pastebin.com/d2303fd56
[20:36] <cTn> och sry
[20:36] <ivanatwork> serox: in your options you can configure the channels
[20:37] <ivanatwork> serox: some channels are hidden
[20:37] <josh-l> hey folks, trying to install kdegraphics-kde4 but apparently "No candidate version found for kdegraphics-kde4"  whats up with that?
[20:38] <serox> ivanatwork: What should I pick in "settings"?
[20:39] <genii> josh-l: If you're not on a mixed kde3/kde4 box the name is likely just kdegraphics without the -kde4
[20:39] <josh-l> oh ok
[20:40] <mado> well ... how do i start the scanning-process with quiteinsane xjjk ? ... is it complicated? ... because i can't let my father do complicated stuff on the computer :)
[20:40] <josh-l> genii: do you know what libikipi5 is?
[20:40] <dumonde> ö
[20:40] <josh-l> apparently installing kdegraphics will remove libkipi5
[20:40] <xjjk> mado: by itself, via the 'quiteinsane' command
[20:41] <xjjk> mado: I usually use it through GIMP... and while I've not used it, I think it's best to use skanlite
[20:41] <xjjk> that's the KDE4 app that's supported
[20:41] <genii> josh-l: I don't know what that is offhand. But it could be looked up at packages.ubuntu.com
[20:42] <mado> ok ... that's not complicated ... but my father needs some stuff with a gui
[20:42] <mado> skanlite does not find a scanner
[20:42] <xjjk> mado: hr
[20:42] <xjjk> hrm*
[20:42] <xjjk> mado: did quiteinsane find it?
[20:43] <cTn> i have one free bonus invite frop dropbox, is anyone interested?
[20:43] <mado> well ... i hope so ... quiteinsane is currently searching for them :)
[20:43] <xjjk> cTn: you need invites for dropbox?
[20:44] <serox> ivanatwork: I don't find it =/
[20:44] <mado> nope xjjk ... unfortunately no scanner can be found by QuiteInsane
[20:44] <xjjk> mado: yah, that's a problem
[20:44] <mado> but how can this be? ...
[20:45] <cTn> xjjk: nope, i need to invite one more person, so i fill my invitations bonus limit, and that person also receives +250mb bonus, so both ppl are happy
[20:45] <mado> at least the epson-scanner worked fine with kooka under kde3.5.10 :) xjjk
[20:45] <xjjk> mado: I'm not the one to diagnose this, so my advice is worth salt
[20:45] <xjjk> cTn: er, thought you only get the 250MB+ increase if the invite/referral became a paying customer
[20:45] <cTn> xjjk: nope, both customers and normal users receive this bonus
[20:46] <xjjk> cTn: ah, neat
[20:46] <mado> well then ... any idea what i should do?
[20:46] <xjjk> cTn: I'm interested... been wanting to play with this
[20:46] <xjjk> mado: what kind of scanner is it? USB?
[20:46] <xjjk> mado: is the scanner compatible with Linux?
[20:47] <ivanatwork> serox: There is a File menu then an "Impostazioni" (Options perhaps?) menu, then an Help Menu. Use the Options Menu --> Configure Channels
[20:48] <mado> actually there are two scanners connected with this computer ...
[20:48] <mado> 1) hp scanjet 5500c ... and it looks like linux found a similar one in "lsusb" ...
[20:48] <mado> 2) epson perfection 1200 u ...
[20:48] <mado> the second one's the one that already worked before xjjk
[20:49] <xjjk> mado: and it finds neither?
[20:50] <mado> yep ... neither the hp nor the epson :) ... although a "hp" with a wrong "number" is listed in "lsusb"
[20:50] <mado> xjjk,
[20:52] <samira> i want to install my webcam A4tech, can anyone help me pleasE?
[20:52] <mado> *thinking xjjk and going to the toilet too*
[20:53] <dr_willis> !webcam | samira
[20:53] <xain> Could someone help me with installation of Amarok 2?
[20:53] <samira> thankssssssssss
[20:54] <josh-l> did I miss anything, I had to restart opera...
[20:54] <dr_willis> normally i plug in a webcam fire up cheese, and it works. :) if not.. well its very likely to be a unsupported webcam
[20:55] <serox> ivanatwork: There is only "quit" in File.
[20:55] <serox> ivanatwork: http://www.speedyshare.com/808631435.html looks like that
[20:55] <josh-l> genii:  did i miss anything you said?
[20:55] <serox> Now when I take the mic out my laptop makes a crazy sound.
[20:56] <ivanatwork> serox, in "Input"??
[20:56] <serox> ivanatwork: What about it?
[20:57] <mado> i'm back xjjk but i don't have an idea at the moment
[20:58] <xjjk> mado: I don't either
[20:58] <ivanatwork> serox, kmix01.png --> why is the "Front Mic" so low? Also, you doesn't seem to have the "Mic" and "Front Mic" activated. Please turn them on.
[20:58] <xjjk> mado: it *seems* as if it'd be some kind of permissions problem?
[20:58] <mado> ? how can i check this?
[20:58] <serox> ivanatwork: Okey
[20:58] <mado> xjjk,
[20:58] <ivanatwork> serox, just to check they are working. If you try to speak, do you hear the speakers too?
[20:59] <xjjk> mado: take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/121082
[21:00] <xjjk> mado: apparently there's a scanner group... is your user part of it?
[21:00] <mado> well ... let's see xjjk
[21:01] <serox> ivanatwork: It works now
[21:01] <genii> josh-l: I found http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/ which describes what that package it wants to remove is, if yer interested
[21:01] <serox> ivanatwork: But really shitty sound =)
[21:01] <serox> I bought the mic for like 5-6 dollars
[21:02] <serox> 4-5 dollars, I bought it for 30:- swedish
[21:02] <mado> how can i find out if my user is part of the scanner-group?
[21:02] <dr_willis> grep /etc/groups scanner
[21:02] <dr_willis> grep /etc/groups username
[21:02] <dr_willis> or am i backwards...
[21:03] <xjjk> backwords
[21:03] <xjjk> get scanner /etc/group
[21:03] <xjjk> er, grep scanner /etc/group
[21:03] <ivanatwork> serox: heh, try to find the right settings. I'm not so sure I understand all the channels. And the switches with all these strange names ;)
[21:03] <mado> reinhold@pc-0815:~$ get scanner /etc/group
[21:03] <mado> bash: get: command not found
[21:03] <xjjk> mado: sorry, meant grep
[21:04] <serox> ivanatwork: But now when I unplugg the mic the laptop makes a crazy annoying sound.
[21:04] <mado> reinhold's my father :)
[21:04] <xjjk> mado: you can also use the user administration tool, but grep is faster
[21:04] <mado> xjjk, -> grep scanner /etc/group
[21:04] <mado> bash: reinhold@pc-0815:~$: command not found
[21:04] <sikun> i just installed kubuntu 8.10 on my laptop.. and in the hardware drivers app, it shows the ATI Graphics driver for it.. but when i goto click activate nothing happens? is there another way to activate it?
[21:04] <xjjk> mado: run it again..
[21:05] <serox> ivanatwork: I will reboot now to see if the sound dissapears.
[21:05] <josh-l> genii:  yeah i found the same page, but do you think its ok to remove this? I want to install non gtk apps to be able to create kde plasma themes...
[21:05] <ivanatwork> serox: try to switch off the mic in the output ;)
[21:05] <serox> ivanatwork: Thanks alot for your help!
[21:05] <xjjk> grep scanner /etc/group
[21:05] <serox> ivanatwork: I did that
[21:05] <xjjk> mado: Ubuntu definitely installs grep
[21:05] <mado> uuh ... xjjk ... found the error for not finding the command :)
[21:05] <ivanatwork> serox: you're welcome ;)
[21:05] <genii> josh-l: I imagine the reason it needs to remove it is because something in kdegrapics package replaces it
[21:05] <mado> grep scanner /etc/group
[21:05] <mado> scanner:x:104:
[21:05] <xjjk> mado: yah, there's the problem
[21:05] <mado> xjjk, -> grep scanner /etc/group
[21:05] <mado> scanner:x:104:
[21:05] <xjjk> mado: add your user to it
[21:05] <mado> what is the problem?
[21:06] <josh-l> genii: ok i'll give it a shot if i miss it i'll consider reinstalling
[21:06] <xjjk> your currently running user needs to be part of the scanner group
[21:06] <mado> and how do i go about that?
[21:06] <dr_willis> !group
[21:06] <dr_willis> !groups
[21:06] <xjjk> mado: it's best you use KDE's tools rather than the the CLI, just for your learning experience...
[21:06] <genii> josh-l: I am leaving work now, so will appear /away until I relogin from home. But I'll read whatever scroll there is then on the subject if you post anything to me here
[21:06] <dr_willis> edit that file and add username at the end of the scanner: line is one way
[21:06] <xjjk> in system settings somewhere
[21:06] <ivanatwork> !users
[21:07] <josh-l> is there any kde app that can replace gimp?
[21:07] <mado> well then ... ok ... i'll try it again ...
[21:07] <mado> i made a "check mark" at scanner
[21:08] <mado> and i'm starting QuiteInsane again
[21:08] <dr_willis> group changes dont take effect till the user logs out/in - i recall
[21:08] <ivanatwork> !pastebin
[21:08] <mado> uhuu ... thanks dr_willis ...
[21:08] <mado> then i will do that :)
[21:11] <josh-l> does the kubuntu team plan on fixing koffice for jaunty?
[21:12] <goofey> josh-l: I'm not aware of any attempt by kde to replace gimp
[21:12] <goofey> josh-l: what's wrong with koffice?
[21:12] <xjjk> goofey: don't think it's about replacing gimp, more about providing kword/etc
[21:12] <josh-l> goofey:  it doesnt install on itrepid, or jaunty for that matter
[21:12] <josh-l> right its not about replacing gimp at all
[21:13] <goofey> josh-l: ok, let me rephrase - is there a kde equivalent to gimp?  no
[21:13] <goofey> josh-l: does it work in kde 4.x on other distros?
[21:13] <goofey> josh-l: koffice that is, not gimp.  :)
[21:14] <josh-l> i dont know to be honest, but i would expect that koffice does work with kde4 since thats what kde4 has as its current version
[21:14] <Noughmad> I have KOffice on Jaunty...
[21:15] <Noughmad> and it's working
[21:15] <xjjk> josh-l: it doesn't install?
[21:15] <goofey> josh-l: ahh, ok, I was just trying to figure out if it's a kde or kubuntu issue
[21:15] <xjjk> josh-l: it seems to for me, on jaunty however
[21:15] <xjjk> 1.6.3
[21:16] <Noughmad> ahh, 2.0 works
[21:18] <josh-l> Noughmad: how did you get 2.0? its not in the jaunty repos i dont think
[21:18] <Noughmad> it is
[21:19] <Noughmad> josh-l: koffice-kde4, version 1.9.98.7
[21:19] <josh-l> i'm so glad adept was replaced, not that I dont usually use cli... but still at lease kpackagekit is usefull
[21:19] <josh-l> Noughmad: how about krit?
[21:19] <sixtolo> how about /b/?
[21:21] <josh-l> Noughmad: koffice2 looks nice
[21:21] <xjjk> anyone else try synapse? that new Qt/Mono IM client
[21:21] <xjjk> http://synapse.im/
[21:21] <xjjk> it's pretty neat
[21:21] <xjjk> has some interesting features too
[21:21] <Noughmad> josh-l: krita works, the package in krita-kde4
[21:23] <Noughmad> xjjk: what does it have over Kopete?
[21:23] <xjjk> Noughmad: looks a bit slicker... the integration stuff, mostly
[21:23] <xjjk> source code highlighting, YouTube/Flickr integration
[21:23] <josh-l> damn... error installing koffice-kde4 (on intrepid)
[21:24] <Noughmad> youtube integration in an IM client?
[21:28] <josh-l> can anyone tell me how to install koffice 2 on intrepid?
[21:29] <josh-l> damnit i want koffice 2
[21:29] <Noughmad> get jaunty?
[21:29] <Noughmad> it's really stable
[21:29] <Noughmad> what does the error say?
[21:30] <khashayar> I'd like to rebuild kdebase-workspace in order to have google gadgets support in plasma. Any ideas which dependency I need to add to debian/control?  (I asked in #kubuntu-devel, but had no reply)
[21:31] <josh-l> well apparently http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 koffice 2 wont work with kde 4.2 + intrepid
[21:31] <josh-l> I cant use kubuntu jaunty, because it wont reboot, or shutdown for me
[21:32] <josh-l> lame
[21:33] <Noughmad> try kubuntu-experimental
[21:33] <Noughmad> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[21:33] <Noughmad> I think they have a later version, not sure though
[21:33] <josh-l> Noughmad: for what just for koffice 2? or will i have to upgrade the entire os?
[21:33] <Noughmad> just for the koffice
[21:34] <josh-l> i'll try it
[21:34] <Noughmad> no, sorry
[21:34] <josh-l> huh?
[21:34] <Noughmad> it says No matching package for 'koffice-kde4'.
[21:34] <josh-l> how about for koffice?
[21:35] <demi> Hey all, im using 0.03 Jaunty atm, and is there anyway to manual install my fglrx video driver, because the HArdware Driver program is trying to activating a Fire GL Driver, and not the Radeon Driver?
[21:35] <josh-l> Noughmad: just koffice ? no kde4 perhaps?
[21:35] <Noughmad> nope
[21:36] <demi> errr 9.03 Jaunty release.....
[21:36] <josh-l> ah hmm
[21:36] <josh-l> well i guess i'll just have to wait
[21:36] <demi> Anyways like KDE3 to manual pick what driver im needing? It's odd it's trying to pick up a fire gl one.
[21:36] <Noughmad> josh-l: probably
[21:37] <Noughmad> demi: I have the same problem, i tried usivg envyng but it didn't work
[21:38] <demi> You using Alpha 6 as well?
[21:38] <Noughmad> yep
[21:38] <demi> gay man, they better fix that by next release lol, i was happy to get it up and running, now it's picking the wrong video driver=\
[21:38] <astrobear> i'm trying to get strigi and nepomuk to work
[21:39] <Noughmad> astrobear: install soprano-backend-sesame
[21:39] <astrobear> i went to the nepomuk/strigi server config in system settings.. "enable nepomuk semantic desktop" is already selected, and after selecting "enable strigi desktop file indexer"..
[21:39] <astrobear> oh
[21:39] <astrobear> okay
[21:39] <Noughmad> :)
[21:39] <astrobear> anyway, i clicked it and it doesn't work
[21:40] <astrobear> had to manually start the daemon and client
[21:40] <astrobear> but i'll install that now :)
[21:40] <Noughmad> so did I, several times, then I read the developer's blog
[21:40] <astrobear> soprano-daemon is what's listed in apt
[21:41] <Noughmad> no sesame?
[21:41] <astrobear> and it's already installed
[21:41] <astrobear> no sesame
[21:41] <Noughmad> uhh, I think it's only available in Jaunty
[21:41] <astrobear> "then I read the developer's blog" the nepomuk or kubuntu blog?
[21:41] <astrobear> argh
[21:41] <Noughmad> the nepomuk
[21:41]  * astrobear wonders..
[21:41] <astrobear> how stable is jaunty?
[21:42] <astrobear> probably stable enough
[21:42] <astrobear> compared to kde 4.0 :)
[21:42] <Noughmad> I find it very stable
[21:42] <astrobear> jaunty it is then
[21:43] <Noughmad> ati driver doesn't work and Kontact, but it never crashed on me yet
[21:43] <astrobear> kontact doesn't work?
[21:43] <Noughmad> kontact has startup issues, no big deal
[21:43] <Noughmad> I just worded that strangely
[21:43] <Noughmad> it wont start on startup
[21:43] <astrobear> o.O
[21:43] <astrobear> that's a big deal
[21:44] <astrobear> so kontact doesn't work
[21:44] <Noughmad> is it really that hard to click an icon to start it?
[21:45] <astrobear> if it doesn't start, then clicking an icon isn't going to help :P
[21:45] <Noughmad> no no
[21:45]  * astrobear has hope!
[21:45] <astrobear> ...
[21:45] <Noughmad> it doesn't start when you start the computer
[21:45] <astrobear> ooooh
[21:45] <astrobear> not a problem
[21:45] <Noughmad> sorry for confusion
[21:45] <astrobear> w00t, jaunty here i come
[21:45] <thebe> Hello
[21:45] <astrobear> np
[21:45] <astrobear> hi thebe
[21:46] <thebe> I am using kubuntu but I don know how to connect to wireless network??
[21:46] <thebe> I had tried to find it out, but never got,
[21:46] <astrobear> right click on the green glob in the taskbar, do you see any connections there?
[21:46] <astrobear> globe*
[21:47] <thebe> you mean in system tray??
[21:47] <astrobear> yes
[21:48] <thebe> thereee are option like eth0, create new connectiion deactivate etc
[21:48] <thebe> I have tried to find out there but I did not
[21:48] <astrobear> okay, so it isn't detecting any wireless connections.
[21:48] <astrobear> that's as far as i go :P
[21:48]  * astrobear is useless now, for  thebe
[21:49] <NiTz> thebe:  you can drop to a terminal "konsole" window and type sudo iwconfig and see if there is anything on your system supporting wireless extensions
[21:49] <thebe> if i keep mouse over that device notification, then it displays "Eth0, activated"
[21:49] <astrobear> eth0 is your wired connection
[21:49] <astrobear> ..typically
[21:49] <NiTz> thebe: you would normally see wlan0 for wireless
[21:49] <thebe> there is no device supporting wireless  extensions
[21:50] <thebe> l0,eth0 and pan 0 only no wlan 0
[21:50] <NiTz> thebe:  Your card is not supported then
[21:50] <thebe> driver problem??
[21:50] <NiTz> yep
[21:50] <NiTz> Find out what card you have and google that puppy for Linux support
[21:50] <thebe> but i have kubuntu 8.10
[21:51] <thebe> okay
[21:51] <astrobear> oh, oh! jaunty has a new software manager!!
[21:51] <astrobear> that makes me very happy
[21:51] <NiTz> yeah, jaunty rocks
[21:51] <thebe> thanks
[21:51] <astrobear> ack, it uses quassel. my irc logs are going to be even more split
[21:51] <thebe> i will try
[21:52] <astrobear> oh, well. quassel has a screen like feature so that's very nice
[21:52] <astrobear> don't have to use proxies
[21:52] <BluesKaj> quassel is ok , just kinda boring looking
[21:52] <NiTz> using quassel now and never used it before, always used xchat
[21:52] <NiTz> not bad
[21:52] <astrobear> i donwloaded it a few weeks ago, it's missing quite a lot of features that konversation has
[21:53] <NiTz> true
[21:53] <astrobear> probably because it's new to the scene
[21:53] <astrobear> on second thought, i'm going to hold off on the upgrade
[21:53] <astrobear> i like amarok 1 and konversation
[21:53] <BluesKaj> I prefer to have differnt coloured nicks in the chat text but dunno if that will be available soon. My understanding is the devs are working on it.
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> I personally build the kde4 konversation from source
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> it's pretty good
[21:54] <NiTz> I build amarok from source
[21:54] <BluesKaj> amorok2 is a mess ..trying too hard to look like a Vista app
[21:55] <astrobear> bah, it's in the beginning stages of being a great player
[21:55] <astrobear> just like kde
[21:56] <astrobear> kde4*
[22:00] <iain> hi I'm having some trouble with kubuntu 8.04.  I cannot see certain menu items or label on buttons in a few applications, things like digikam 0.94, this program, and things like plasmoids (network manager is one)... what or where should I start to look to fix this?
[22:01] <NiTz> iain:  Have you performed all the updates?  There have been problems of late with all that you have mentioned
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> iain: http://forum.kde.org/-solved-blank-menus-t-37060.html
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> NiTz: the drivers that fix the issue are in Kubuntu 9.04 by default
[22:02] <javier> hola alguien que hable español
[22:02] <NiTz> Oops sorry, I thought iain wrote 9.04
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> !es | javier
[22:04] <iain> thanks seems simple enough!!
[22:16] <schummelpilz> problem: uhci_hcd starts on every system startup, although i have it blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. Any ideas why?
[22:16] <iain> is there a central way to determine what kde3 and kde4 apps your system is running?
[22:27] <petr> ahoj, nekdo cz?
[22:30] <petr> hello, i have got a problem, my main toolbar - the one with e.g. quit-cross - disappeared. can sbd help me? :D
[22:31] <eamonn> Hey, I have a small problem, that probably has an obscure but simple solution.
[22:33] <petr> i really need help, i am not absolutely lamer, but this is the biggest problem for me :D i really tried to find the solution, but its up to my powers... :-/
[22:33] <eamonn> Whats your problem Petr?
[22:34] <petr> hello, i have got a problem, my main toolbar - the one with e.g. quit-cross - disappeared. can sbd help me? :D
[22:34] <eamonn> You have a 2 button mouse?
[22:34] <eamonn> (or more)
[22:35] <petr> yep
[22:35] <petr> (thx 4 your time ;) )
[22:35] <eamonn> Right click on the desktop and click 'configure desktop'
[22:35] <eamonn> I'll see if theres a way to get to the panel editor from there
[22:36] <petr> thx, ill wait :)
[22:36] <eamonn> nope
[22:36] <eamonn> In an ideal world, there'd be a way so that every option had a tool-tip that showed the bash command that is run when clicking it.
[22:36] <eamonn> Or something analagous to it...
[22:37] <eamonn> For example, there is certanly a command that configures your desktop.  It would certanly help us lay people learn BASh.
[22:37] <petr> i tried to find something like you talk about, but a was looser in this fight :D
[22:37] <eamonn> You can't see the panel at all?
[22:38] <XPS_M1330> someone told me about this command-line program, it makes suggestions on how to reduce power consumption. I can't remember its name. can someone tell me what it is?
[22:39] <eamonn> Never 'erd of it.
[22:39] <astrobear> can someone help me get flash working in konqueror? also, while typing the web address, when i hit ctl-a to select all the text, the browser instead selects all the text in the webpage. and when in gmail, when composing a message, when i hit ctl-a to select all the text, it instead highlights all the text around the message composition area, like the links and whatnot :P
[22:39] <XPS_M1330> it suggested to change something on my cdrom and now it's all screwed up
[22:39] <XPS_M1330> cant remember what I changed
[22:40] <astrobear> and, if i'm typing a long message, i can't highlight from the bottom and scroll to the top of the message, highlighting the entire message. the only possible and highly inconvenient way is to hold the lmb, and at the same time scroll up with my mouse wheel. it would be better to click with lmb and move the mouse upward
[22:40] <eamonn> Astrobear: Go to adept, search for "flashplugin".  Flashplugin nonfree works.
[22:40] <astrobear> okay, will do
[22:40] <astrobear> oh wait
[22:40] <astrobear> i do have that
[22:40] <astrobear> i've already installed it
[22:40] <eamonn> And it won't work?
[22:40] <astrobear> i have libflashplayer.so
[22:40] <astrobear> right
[22:40] <petr> eamonn: i have got a little problems with english - what your pre-last clause mean... :-/ should I write BASh into any command line...?
[22:41] <astrobear> and my last konqueror issue: the middle mouse button to close tabs doesn't work, i've selected the feature in the settings.
[22:41] <eamonn> BASh is basicly the command line :)
[22:41] <eamonn> My latest conquerer issue: its a browser that is used by > 1% of the market!
[22:42] <astrobear> sadly yes
[22:42] <astrobear> and sadly flash isn't open source
[22:43] <petr> eamonn: okey, but in my BASh theres also no toolbar...
[22:43] <astrobear> konqueror has things going for it though, it isn't your typical browser. it's integration with kde is wonderful, and it's great for kde devs
[22:43] <XPS_M1330> can I reset the cdrom hardware config to default somehow?
[22:43] <petr> i thought... my english is better.... :D
[22:44] <astrobear> anyway, i'll idle and hope someone can help me
[22:45] <thebe> Yep, I have Atheros WLa
[22:46] <thebe> WLAN Nic
[22:46] <thebe> System>Hardware Drivers
[22:46] <XPS_M1330> I can't find the selfdestruct button on my laptop, what's the manual command?
[22:47] <thebe> I got there the driver of this WLAN NIC and it was activated too
[22:47] <thebe> but even then, there is no blinking light in the indicator of wlan
[22:47] <thebe> any solution??
[22:49] <petr> -help
[22:50] <thebe_> I need help plz
[22:50] <thebe_> I wanna fix my wireless problem
[22:50] <petr> thebe_: so do i
[22:50] <robin0800> thebe: in mine I use led=1 in modprobe
[22:53] <thebe_> i did non understand what robin mean??
[22:53] <wirechief> thebe what is your wireless problem
[22:54] <thebe_> Oh, I could not connect to wireless
[22:55] <thebe_> In network notification (system tray) icon, there is only eth0 and I did sudo iwconfig and pan0,l0 and eth0 only displays
[22:56] <wirechief> what does lspci |grep Wireless show ?
[22:56] <thebe_> I tried to find out about driver status in System>Hardware drivers too, and the driver for Atheros is activated too
[22:56] <thebe_> even then no connection
[22:57] <wirechief> i would try using dhclient eth0  then try eth1 if that didnt work
[22:57] <thebe_> wirechief i didnot get your command
[22:58] <thebe_> is it spci grep??
[22:58] <wirechief> but also i would do cat /etc/network/interfaces  and see what shows up. sometimes its wlan0
[22:58] <wirechief> lspci |grep Wireless
[22:59] <will> Could someone recommend a good video player that automatically retrieves codec's?
[22:59] <wirechief> thebe what network manager are you using ? network-manager or wicd
[23:00] <thebe_> Knetwork manager
[23:00] <wirechief> ok
[23:01] <petr> wirechief: what does "thebe" mean? :)
[23:01] <wirechief> i am currently on a different distro and using wi-cd it is different than knetwork-manager but does the job
[23:01] <thebe_> i put command lspci |grep wireless and it displayed Ethernet controller Atheros Communication Inc. AR"¤2x 802.11 1bg wirelsess
[23:01] <wirechief> petr i havent found out yet
[23:03] <petr> wirechief: wow, really nice shortcut, thx :))
[23:03] <wirechief> sure
[23:04] <petr> wirechief: there is still question... why is it "thebe", but... i dont have to know everything... but if yo
[23:04] <petr> ...you'd have time... :D
[23:05] <thebe_> waitin you wirechief, and petr i am beginner
[23:05] <thebe_> have been one week in linux world
[23:05] <wirechief> this stuff might be dated but it use to work well check this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:05] <thebe_> so need your help
[23:05] <wirechief> thebe check the link ^^^
[23:05] <petr> lolll
[23:06] <thebe_> thanks
[23:06] <thebe_> thank you wirechief
[23:06] <wirechief> !wifi
[23:06] <petr> wirechief, thebe_ i thought "thebe" is some shortcut of words "i havent found yet" :D
[23:07] <wirechief> petr when you want to address someone it is best to use their nick, otherwise it gets lost in the traffic on the irc but here today is not too bad
[23:07] <wirechief> thebe np
[23:08] <petr> wirechief: i do understand... :D thx, but.. it was cross purposes from my direction :D
[23:09] <wirechief> ok.. no problem...
[23:09] <petr> wirechief: btw. could you help me? O:-) i am afraid that really die because of my problem... :D
[23:10] <wirechief> petr maybe what is your problem
[23:10] <wirechief> petr need to know what version of kbuntu you are using too.
[23:11] <petr> wirechief: 3.5.10...?
[23:15] <will> Is there a way to get dragon player to read .flv files?
[23:21] <master> Hello..
[23:23] <master> I'm trying to install an IDE called HI-TIDE for C programing with microcontrollers. It is based on eclipse and has an exeuteble of its own for installation. It is console based and asked me for path where java is installed
[23:23] <master> and I cant get it to work... :/
[23:23] <master> had it working before in arch..
[23:24] <wirechief> master just use the locate command to find java but do updatedb before you use it.
[23:25] <master> yeah have done that..
[23:25] <master> but what should a type in then? /usr/share/java does not seam to work..
[23:27] <master> got it to work!!! :D /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/
[23:27] <master> :)
[23:27] <Guest68330> carlo
[23:32] <wirechief> master ;)
[23:36] <contrast> !aptfix
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is their a lightweight DE based on Qt?
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> gtk is to xfce as qt is to.....
[23:39] <contrast> ActionParsnip: last i heard, the guys who developed kxdocker were supposed to be working on one. not sure if anything ever came of it.
[23:42] <contrast> i know it's not qt-based, but have you tried e17 _lately_?
[23:42] <sy> i like to know some can help me for my compter
[23:43] <contrast> hrmm... "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a" doesn't seem to be working to fix apt. should it be safe to just remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock?
[23:43] <contrast> sy: yes...?
[23:43] <sy> how do i instal cd ubuntu in my compter
[23:44] <contrast> sy: do you want to keep windows installed, or just wipe it out and only have ubuntu?
[23:45] <sy> only heve ubuntu
[23:46] <contrast> assuming you've already backed up any data you mean to keep, just double-click the Install icon and when it asks you about partitioning, select "Use entire disk". the rest is pretty self-explanatory
[23:46] <contrast> sy: are you running from the live cd now?
[23:47] <sy> no, i want to start it tomorrow
[23:47] <contrast> ?
[23:47] <contrast> sy: what's your native language?
[23:48] <sy> bambara
[23:48] <contrast> !bam
[23:48] <contrast> !ba
[23:48] <contrast> bah
[23:49] <sy> bambara is my tongue
[23:49] <capitancan> Me acabo de instalar kubuntu y tengo un problemilla... ¿alguien me puede ayudar?
[23:50] <contrast> !bm
[23:50] <sy> but i speak english a little bit
[23:50] <fosco__> !es | capitancan
[23:50] <sy> can you help me?
[23:50] <capitancan> Gracias....
[23:51] <contrast> sy: i'm still not sure what you're asking. :)
[23:51] <capitancan> Me acabo de instalar kubuntu y tengo un problemilla... ¿alguien me puede ayudar?
[23:51] <fosco__> capitancan, use english please
[23:51] <contrast> heh
[23:52] <sy> i told you i want to install live cd ubuntu in my compter. but i don't know how to do it.
[23:53] <fosco__> sy, burn the iso file in a blank CD, reboot your computer and follow the instructions on screen
[23:53] <sy> is it easy?
[23:54] <fosco__> yes
[23:56] <sy> thanks, i have another question, i don't know how to pirate the film in internet, music. do you have a idea
[23:57] <fosco__> this is kubuntu support
[23:57] <fosco__> do not ask for that