[00:01] <CosmiChaos> IntuitiveNipple: it frooze my boot :(( i tried in quiete mode: freezes at: installing spdif_bug patch: Audigy 2ZS (SB0350)
[00:01] <CosmiChaos> i tried Intrepid Live-CD that also freezes
[00:02] <CosmiChaos> currently i uninstalled my soundcard
[00:02] <IntuitiveNipple> what's that bug patch it refers to? maybe it conflicts with the newly fixed driver
[00:03] <CosmiChaos> dont know isnt that from the driver?
[00:04] <CosmiChaos> package awesfx
[00:04] <CosmiChaos> IntuitiveNipple: should i remove that?
[00:04] <CosmiChaos> and try again?
[00:05] <IntuitiveNipple> hang on, I'm reading up on it
[00:06] <CosmiChaos> ALSA emu10k1/2 patch loader i have this installed to (ld10k1/libld10k1
[00:06] <IntuitiveNipple> It still looks like this is the info on it: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/27aacb6d4c207621/9fdff964b932e592?lnk=raot
[00:07] <CosmiChaos> IntuitiveNipple: that looks exactly what ive got
[00:08] <CosmiChaos> but im with 2.7.28-10
[00:08] <CosmiChaos> but im with 2.6.28-10
[00:09] <DanaG>  grr, damned sdhc reader totally breaks the partition table on the card, EVERY single time I suspend.
[00:09] <CosmiChaos> Check "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" switch.
[00:09] <CosmiChaos> This must be *off* to output from the analog jacks.
[00:10] <CosmiChaos> But i havendt got a Switch, i just have the bulk card not the Platinum Edition
[00:10] <Cycom> dtchen: any updates?
[00:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe that's part of the problem then?
[00:10] <DanaG> That switch is a thing in alsamixer.
[00:10] <IntuitiveNipple> maybe the patch or fix or combination are working against one another?
[00:11] <CosmiChaos> IntuitiveNipple: what do i do now?
[00:12] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: no its definetly not because we are talking abount detecting soundcards not alsasettings
[00:12] <CosmiChaos> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[00:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, if it froze the system and you had to remove it to continue, something major is wrong. Without logs when it goes wrong I can't really help further.
[00:14] <CosmiChaos> as i said i removed kernel option quiet and that was the error on loading the module
[00:14] <CosmiChaos> installing spdif_bug patch: Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350)
[00:15] <CosmiChaos> and i said i have ld10k1 installed
[00:15] <CosmiChaos> is that this patch?
[00:17] <m_tadeu> I'm specifically typing /dev/md0 in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but then I get the raid in /dev/md_d0...why is that=
[00:40] <DanaG> ugh, udev can't properly comprehend multiple partitions on an sdhc card.
[00:40] <DanaG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="SDHC_EXT4" UUID="8fc0f454-8772-4615-a7d1-d616e7d7a94f" TYPE="ext4"
[00:40] <DanaG> /dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="SDHC" UUID="5650-34AD" TYPE="vfat"
[00:40] <DanaG> /dev/mmcblk0: LABEL="SDHC_EXT4" UUID="8fc0f454-8772-4615-a7d1-d616e7d7a94f" TYPE="ext4"
[00:40] <DanaG> Note that it's calling mmcblk0 and mmcblk0p1 the same thing.  the former is the device, the latter is the first partition.
[00:46] <dtchen> Cycom: which kernel are you running? (`cat /proc/version_signature')
[00:46] <dtchen> Cycom: that will determine whether i need to rebuild (again)
[00:56] <DanaG> Heh, I do find it funny that I just plain can't use the fglrx driver.
[00:56] <DanaG> Even on Intrepid, the versions newer than 8.543 give a kernel panic.
[00:56] <DanaG> ... and whenever AMD/ATI happens to release a fglrx for jaunty... I'm imagining that'll be just as broken, in the same way.
[01:01] <sprockets> Hi, anyone having an issue where sound at its highest level is not audible really.
[01:12] <DanaG> heh, playing DVDs in Totem leaves hideous interlacing.
[01:25] <dtchen> which backend?
[01:25] <dtchen> i always preferred GSt's picture, but it's rather hideous for navigation
[01:26] <dtchen> hence i always use Xine's
[01:26] <DanaG> Probably gstreamer, I think.
[01:26] <DanaG> yup.
[01:26] <DanaG> Does navigation just fine in Jaunty, actually.
[01:29] <dtchen> the GSt backend is rather broken for me :/
[01:29] <bruce89> GStreamer supports deinterlacing, it's pending Totem fixing it
[01:30] <bruce89> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/DvdPlayback
[01:31] <DanaG> That'll be cool to see.
[01:32] <bruce89> Well, resin is used by Totem now
[01:33] <bruce89> gst-inspect-0.10 rsndvdbin
[02:18] <Volkodav> anybody else has an issue adding sensors plugin in xfce to the panel ?
[03:10] <musikgoat|main> anyone know the release date in april for jaunty?  the 24th or 23rd?
[03:10] <musikgoat|main> has it been officially set yet?
[03:10] <musikgoat|main> nvm, found it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[04:07] <calc> hmm... "The main difference between the ext4 and btrfs changes is that an fsync on any other file in ext4 will wait on the renamed file to hit disk, where it won't in btrfs."
[04:07] <calc> so btrfs will work better than ext4 in regards to this whole mess
[04:08] <calc> it sounds like btrfs might actually solve this problem properly if i understand what they are saying
[04:09] <calc> and won't need sync's to have safe renames :)
[04:19] <Amaranth> calc: Sounds like me like fsync is actually not doing anything in butterfs
[04:19]  * DanaG wants some toast.
[04:20] <Amaranth> calc: And hopefully our kernel will get the 2.6.30 patches for ext4 to make renames safe
[04:21] <Amaranth> after that anyone truncating a file and writing to it and complaining about losing the file can just be laughed at for not doing it right
[04:21] <DanaG> What was the not-doing-it-right issue?
[04:22] <Amaranth> DanaG: Truncating a file then writing the new contents of the file and expecting to never lose any data
[04:22] <Amaranth> Basically you tell the filesystem "make this file empty" then in a separate step "write this data to it"
[04:22] <Amaranth> guess what happens if the system crashes in the middle?
[04:22] <DanaG> I never ran into that issue... I run data=journal
[04:22] <Amaranth> that doesn't matter
[04:23] <DanaG> But yeah, that is rather stupid behavior on the part of the app.
[04:23] <DanaG> It's a non-atomic operation.
[04:23] <Amaranth> Even with data=journal you can lose a file there
[04:24] <DanaG> I must've just never noticed it, then.
[04:25] <DanaG> Here's a combination that would let me get rid of native Windows once and for all:
[04:25] <DanaG> OpenGL and power-management support in Radeon, and Direct3D->OpenGL translation in VirtualBox.
[04:25] <DanaG> Wine isn't much of an option for me -- no surround sound.  Instead, I could hand a USB sound card to a VBox guest.
[04:29] <calc> Amaranth: eh? it sounds like fsync works to me on btrfs but that it doesn't entangle the entire drives metadata by default
[04:30] <Amaranth> calc: ext4 doesn't either, that's only ext3 in the default setup
[04:30] <DanaG> Isn't the btrfs on-disk format not yet stable?
[04:30] <calc> Amaranth: the rest of the post says that btrfs tracks transactions eg rename to make them atomic
[04:31] <calc> Amaranth: as opposed to how ext4 works by default, to make renames safe you have to to sync whole disk like ext3
[04:31] <Amaranth> calc: no you don't
[04:31] <calc> which is what the new ext4 patch does (from what i recall)
[04:31] <calc> because the metadata gets 'entangled'
[04:31] <Amaranth> calc: You have to fsync the new file, do the rename, then fsync the directory
[04:32] <calc> Amaranth: btrfs works for rename case. -without- fsync
[04:32] <calc> Amaranth: which was what the original post i was quoting from was about
[04:32] <Amaranth> calc: ext4 works for the rename case without fsync, as of the -10 kernel
[04:32] <calc> it doesn't have the entanglement issues and can track metadata cleanly without having to resort to syncing all files to disk like the new patch does to make non fsyncd renames safe on ext4
[04:32] <Amaranth> btrfs does the same tricks as those ext4 patches
[04:33] <calc> Amaranth: yes but to do that on ext4 they had to sync all data and metadata to disk on rename
[04:33] <calc> at least from what i read of that new patch
[04:33] <Amaranth> calc: That can't be what it does, it is supposed to still be faster than ext3
[04:33] <Amaranth> That would not be faster than ext3
[04:33] <calc> Amaranth: reread about the patch it, with it its not supposed to be much faster than ext3 anymore
[04:33] <calc> er the first it should not have been there
[04:34]  * Amaranth stops reading tyso's blog posts at 2am
[04:34] <calc> tytso 'restored' the ext3 behavior of writing all data to disk
[04:34] <Amaranth> but ext3 didn't write all data to the disk unless you called fsync
[04:34] <calc> at least iirc, i might be getting confused
[04:35] <Amaranth> ext3 didn't have this problem because it wrote data before metadata
[04:35] <calc> but in any case btrfs files can exist in ram even after being renamed and not end up as 0 byte files
[04:35] <Amaranth> I thought ext4 made it write data before metadata for the rename case
[04:35] <calc> actually i may be wrong in that it might just be that renaming completely flushes the single file to disk, i've read so many posts now i am getting confused
[04:36] <calc> but in any case renaming a file on btrfs is not supposed to force a physical disk write, but still not end up eating your data on crash since it does proper ordering
[04:36] <calc> which was where the entanglement issues with ext4 (whatever they end up being in reality) caused the immediate disk write for renames
[04:37] <calc> so btrfs should be higher performance and just as safe... once it is thoroughly debugged
[04:37]  * calc wouldn't trust any of them for at least another year or two
[04:37] <calc> ext3 for me :)
[04:39]  * calc got burned by lovely xfs about a decade ago and has since stuck to reliable filesystems :) eg ones that everyone else use
[04:40]  * Amaranth is using ext4 on his system
[04:40]  * DanaG is, too.
[04:40] <Amaranth> Everything I care about is either backed up or a git repo pushed somewhere
[04:40] <DanaG> Boots damn fast, too.
[04:40] <Amaranth> Plus I don't have nvidia graphics
[04:41] <Amaranth> Only thing I ever have to worry about is Xorg locking up when I unplug my USB mouse
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I began work on an ext4 undelete tool over the weekend :)
[04:48] <savvas> and gnome is probably working on a gnome-vfs undelete tool :P
[04:49] <Amaranth> Why would we want to undelete gnome-vfs
[04:51] <savvas> no, haha - I mean an undelete tool that works with gnome-vfs
[04:51] <savvas> you know, something that would allow you to "undo changes"
[04:59] <bruce89> g_file_untrash?
[05:01] <IntuitiveNipple> ext3grep does a good job; I'm extending it for ext4 and adding a few polishes to it
[05:29] <DanaG> grr, damned filelight COMPLETELY ignores the "do not scan these directories" setting!
[05:29] <DanaG> I told it to scan my root partition... and it scanned EACH AND EVERY partition accessible to it... despite me excluding ALL of the others.
[05:30] <DanaG> Stupid filelight.
[05:31] <DanaG> Oh, and apparently the gnome devs think there's no such thing as something called a "file" -- because the disk-usage thingy, baobab, shows no files at all!
[05:31] <DanaG> How ******* useless.
[05:34] <bruce89> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451393
[05:35] <bruce89> DanaG: still, it's a bit harsh to say "the gnome devs" when it's only one program
[05:36] <DanaG> True enough.
[05:38] <crdlb> uh, I fail to see how that's a problem
[05:38] <DanaG> Well, take a look at /usr/share....
[05:38] <DanaG> Half of it is in things like games/tremulous and just openoffice...
[05:39] <DanaG> the other is... I don't have a friggin' clue, because it shows nothing.
[05:39] <crdlb> so?
[05:39] <DanaG> So, it makes the tool useless for its stated purpose.
[05:39] <crdlb> it's really meant for /var and /home imho
[05:40] <crdlb> so you just want a list of the largest files in the system?
[05:40] <bruce89> I think a "largest files" view would be useful
[05:40] <DanaG> try filelight, for comparison...
[05:40] <DanaG> .. but be prepared for it to completely ignore filesystem boundaries.
[05:43] <bruce89> left hand side could have a directory tab, and a file tab
[05:45] <crdlb> I don't feel like scanning /usr/share/ atm, but I don't really see what you'd use it for
[05:47] <DanaG> I'm trying to figure out whether I'd be able to fit all my stuff, sans the not-so-frequently-used music and such, in 80 gigs.
[06:24] <DanaG> http://alexpeak.com/ww/2008/015.html
[06:25] <DanaG> For Þe Return of Þorn!\
[06:50] <JanC> DanaG: you discovered typography just 25 minutes ago?  ;)
[07:18] <clarkeo> hi so i had an early version of jaunty insalled and decided to do a clean install of alpha 6 as i had dependency problems and it seemed to be a good idea at the time anyway so I did this forgetting that my home directory was encrypted...easy enough to do seeing its such a transparent process now! so any advice how to get back into my files?
[07:35] <clarkeo> to give a little more information I have a seperate root partition and /home partition when i reinstall i wipe the root partition keeping all my files and settings on the other partition
[08:45] <Hobbsee> clarkeo: hit up kirkland for that
[08:45] <Hobbsee> clarkeo: (assuming he's not busy)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> clarkeo: oh, andhttp://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html and related
[08:47] <Hobbsee> bah, that was 1.5 hours ago
[08:48] <zash> whats up with compiz and xfce not beeing friends anymore?
[08:48] <zash> http://p.zash.se/UX2DTA.txt
[08:50] <TuTUXG> !compiz | zash
[08:53] <zash> TuTUXG: both metacity and xfwm4 works with compositing
[08:55] <Hobbsee> zash: xwfm no longer exists, or?
[08:55] <ablomen> its xfwm4
[08:55] <ablomen> the command
[08:56] <Hobbsee> which  xfwm4 outputs?
[08:56] <clarkeo> Hobbsee thanks mate busy atm might try later
[08:59] <zash> Hobbsee: symlinking /usr/bin/xfwm to xfwm4 doesn't help that much
[08:59] <Hobbsee> zash: what happens after that?
[08:59] <zash> Hobbsee: it just starts xfwm instead
[09:00] <Hobbsee> er, ok then?
[09:00] <zash> http://p.zash.se/7Ybg9Q.txt  Xorg.0.log: http://p.zash.se/D6dZXA.txt
[09:00] <zash> i got it working yesterday, but then i rebooted
[09:01] <Hobbsee> which version of compiz are you using?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> (apt-cache policy compiz)
[09:02] <zash>   Installed: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu4
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hrm.  I wonder why it's looking for stuff in /usr/local/bin
[09:04] <Hobbsee> zash: i'd file a bug on compiz, saying that /usr/bin/xfwm no longer exists, and that it's xfwm4, and that it's looking for /usr/local/bin/compiz
[09:09] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:58] <BUGabundo> nautilus is crashing on me while moving files over SMB
[09:58] <BUGabundo> anyone else?
[10:20] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: no errors`??
[10:20] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: in dmesg or even if you start the nautilus browser in a terminal
[10:20] <BUGabundo> apport fired up
[10:20] <BUGabundo> guess I'll file a bug
[10:20] <BUGabundo> its reproducble too
[10:26] <BUGabundo> can some one comment on Bug 343068
[10:26] <BUGabundo> the dupe... I can't help the user ... can't find the right key to show update-notifier
[10:41] <noren> hi all
[10:41] <mnemo> todays update uninstalled totem??? why??
[10:44] <BUGabundo> mnemo: because you forced it???
[10:44] <BUGabundo> never force upgrades
[10:44] <BUGabundo> unless you know what you are doing
[10:49] <mnemo> BUGabundo: ah ok
[11:09] <m0RrE> what's up with the ati drivers in jaunty?
[11:10] <m0RrE> just upgraded my laptop from intrepid to jaunty and now i can't get the drivers to work
[11:11] <BUGabundo> m0RrE: know porb
[11:11] <BUGabundo> check LP for your bug
[11:12] <m0RrE> aight!
[11:26] <peppo> hi. any Jaunty users with ATI mobile graphics? I'm going to try with a HD 3470. possible? has ATI released Catalyst drivers compatible with the XOrg version in Jaunty?
[11:27] <m0RrE> peppo: no
[11:28] <m0RrE> i just fixed the same problem on my girfrien's laptop
[11:28] <MamboKurt> hi there. my keyring service isnt running. how do i start it?
[11:28] <mysticdarkhack> peppo, probably have to wait till catalyst 9.3 come out
[11:29] <mysticdarkhack> peppo, which is tommorrow I hope
[11:29] <peppo> mysticdarkhack, any news on when that will be? is there anything one can run in the meantime? the generic ati driver? vesa? the laptop is new, and I need to install some sort of OS on it
[11:29] <peppo> ah, sublime
[11:30] <mysticdarkhack> peppo, probably use vessa for now untill the release which isn't long unless you can wait 24hrs
[11:31] <mysticdarkhack> peppo, I head that 9.3 will release tomorrow
[11:32] <peppo> that sounds good. I'm doing a jaunty install anyhow, upgrade to release ubuntu and catalyst drivers should be entirely possible, right?
[11:34] <mysticdarkhack> once you do a fresh install, vessa take affect, and if you tried installing ati after fresh install, it won't work and will sent you to a black screen or error message
[11:35] <mysticdarkhack> like I said, if u want to install jaunty, use vessa for the mean time untill 9.3
[11:35] <peppo> yup, will do
[11:38] <MamboKurt> hello, my problem is my keyring service doesn't start when i boot and i dont know how to start it manually. can somebody help me and give me the command?
[12:09] <phjr> hi folks, any idea what's happening with the GNOME updates? seems we're in the middle of 2.25->2.26 update
[12:16] <krzd> hiredgoon, totem doesn't play videos like .avi and .mpg but youtube videos via the youtube plugin. it just says: Disconnected: OK. vlc works fine. i'm using ubuntu jaunty x64. what can i do?
[12:17] <krzd> (the first word should mean hi (stupid autocomplete of xchat))
[12:25] <peace> krzd: did youi install codecs?
[12:25] <peace> for your 64 machine?
[12:27] <krzd> peace: yes all gstreamer codecs, it all has worked until the last update yesterday
[12:27] <peace> mmm then wait for fixin
[12:28] <peace> here on kubuntu 9.04 everything is working
[12:28] <krzd> but what mens that error, even at google i can'T found anything about that
[12:46] <krzd> even the update manger doesn't  send a message or show the tray icon when there are new updates
[13:00] <kane77> hi, has the artwork been already updated? (gnome theme)
[13:02] <zniavre> since gutsy yes ...
[13:33] <WolfyAU82> anyone know how to setup a network between an Ubuntu 8.10 machine and a Windows XP machine from the linux side?
[13:39] <ribo> sure, plug them into the same switch. done!
[13:46] <danlii> I just upgraded my laptop to Jaunty (x64 platform), and now Gnome won't start properly, I just get the wallpaper and nothing else. What has gone wrong? :)
[13:49] <michaeldadmum> danlii: because jaunty is a development version
[13:50] <danlii> michaeldadmum: Yes, I know about that. It's not the first time I installed an unstable release of Debian or Ubuntu, but this is the first time I encountered actual problems.
[13:51] <michaeldadmum> danlii: development version will break unexpectly at any time, any place.
[13:51] <michaeldadmum> danlii: gnome is broken now. I have no problem because I use KDE.
[13:52] <danlii> michaeldadmum: OK, so it is in fact broken for everyone running Jaunty and not just me?
[13:53] <michaeldadmum> danlii: I don't know because I use KDE.
[13:54] <danlii> michaeldadmum: Okay then, thank you for your valuable information which was of no use for me.
[13:54] <michaeldadmum> When I upgrade a Jaunty GNOME VM, there are some dependency hells.
[13:54] <danlii> Anyone else who has problems with gnome under jaunty or am I on my own?
[13:55] <ali1234> danlii: try the failsafe or create a new user profile
[13:55] <ali1234> no problems here
[13:55] <danlii> ali1234: Did that, the problem is system-wide.
[13:55] <gmiernicki_> does jaunty include 2.6.29 or 2.6.28 for a kernel?
[13:55] <ali1234> 2.6.28
[13:56] <danlii> 2.6.28
[13:56] <gmiernicki_> ahh, thanks
[13:56] <gmiernicki_> was just curious as 2.6.29 isnt even gold yet
[13:56] <gmiernicki_> and i knew they were talking about it
[14:21] <jonpackard> Hello.. Is anybody else experiencing problems with the nvidia proprietary drivers after a recent update in jaunty? My PC at home is fine (uses geforce 8600GT) but my work PC is stuck with the nv driver (lost my second screen.. it's using geforce 7600GS).
[14:24] <tmeixner> is there a way on kubuntu to NOT be forced to enter your kwallet password each time your wireless connects after a reboot.
[14:37] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  is there a way to make nautilus (or gnome-volume-manager) automatically mount digital cameras to the desktop as mass storage?
[14:37] <Q-FUNK> ööö.. to make it stop
[14:37] <Q-FUNK> I need this to go to gthumb, not to be mounted as mass media on the desktop
[14:37] <Q-FUNK> it's been broken since intrepid
[14:38] <Q-FUNK> there used to be a bug open about this, supposedly fixed by un updated .desktop file shipped with gthumb, but it never fixed anything here.
[14:41] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: humm
[14:41] <BUGabundo> have you checked the Multimedia options?
[14:42] <BUGabundo> System->Pref->Prefered Aplications ?
[14:49] <antoranz> so.... at 2 AM (colombian time) you were discussing my problem with apt
[14:49] <RainCT> Hi
[14:49] <antoranz> not cool
[14:49] <RainCT> Is there anyone else who can't boot with the latest kernel?
[14:50] <antoranz> so... what can I do with my apt segfault?
[14:51] <IntuitiveNipple> "can't boot" is a wide spectrum. Care to be more precise?
[14:51] <RainCT> It gives an error message just after grub, but I forgot which one xD
[14:52] <RainCT> something with "unexpected or unrecognized ..."
[14:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Boot in Recovery mode so the splash screen doesn't get in the way, and then bug-report the error messages
[14:52] <RainCT> IntuitiveNipple: it doesn't get to the splash screen
[14:52] <RainCT> just after grub when there's a line saying from what partition it is booting it shows the error
[14:53] <IntuitiveNipple> So, a grub error possibly?
[14:53] <RainCT> pressing enter gets me back to grub and choosing another kernel it works
[14:53] <IntuitiveNipple> can you catch a photo of it?
[14:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I used to use a DV camcorder to catch those kind of errors!
[14:53] <RainCT> heh
[14:54] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: yup.  didn't affect anything.
[15:03] <Finnish_> My wireless card is this: 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[15:04] <Finnish_> Previously it was working out of the box, now, within two days, it has stopped working, can't find any wireless networks
[15:06] <zash> awesome, OOo-calc cant open a file it created
[15:06] <zash> crapffice 2k3 xml
[15:07] <BUGabundo> Finnish_: file bug
[15:07] <Finnish_> BUGabundo: ?
[15:09] <RainCT> Yep, it's a grub error.. "Error 13: Invalid or unspported executable format"
[15:09] <RainCT> menu.lst looks fine, though
[15:10] <RainCT> (I'm using ext4, btw)
[15:12] <eternal_p> morning all...any one have tips on getting proper battery life from jaunty...
[15:12] <eternal_p> I am getting 2.5 hours when on Windows 7, I was getting 4.5
[15:18] <BUGabundo> eternal_p: not really
[15:18] <BUGabundo> you can reduce LCD bright
[15:18] <BUGabundo> or increase the amount of disk writes
[15:18] <BUGabundo> turn bt or wifi off
[15:20] <genii> cpu stepping, etc
[15:20] <BUGabundo> don't!!!
[15:20] <BUGabundo> please DON'T
[15:21] <BUGabundo> or ill tell mjg59 on you
[15:21] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:21] <BUGabundo> CPU state "should" be dealt by kernel
[15:21] <BUGabundo> and not userspace
[15:21] <BUGabundo> at least that's the believe of powermanager gurus
[15:22] <genii> BUGabundo: Whats cpufreqd for then? ;)
[15:22] <BUGabundo> do be used internally ?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:23] <BUGabundo> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ go read the arquive please
[15:23]  * genii reads
[15:23] <DanaG> eternal_p: if you have an ATI card, it may just be the lack of power management in the open-source drier.
[15:23] <DanaG> driver.
[15:24] <ribo> needs more snuggle sheets
[15:24] <eternal_p> DanaG: nope, nVidia
[15:28] <dimitree> Hello
[15:28] <keepsake> Hey again.
[15:29] <dimitree> hi there, i just installed it and it seams to work much much faster
[15:29] <keepsake> dimitree: I'm in process of installing it right now, installing 8.10 right now.
[15:30] <dimitree> keepsake: why do you install 8.10 ?
[15:31] <keepsake> dimitree: I had 8.04, so the only half-decent way I could've gotten to 9.04 was to go 8.10 first.
[15:31] <dimitree> keepsake: oh i see i though we had a misunderstanding or something :)
[15:31] <ribo> or just install from the 9.04 iso...?
[15:32] <keepsake> ribo: Isn't it easier to just upgrade by the normal path using upgrade manager?
[15:32] <ribo> if you're re-installing anyway? no
[15:32] <ribo> at least you can use fully-fucntional ext4
[15:33] <dimitree> anyone using Kaffeine ? Is the package in the repo the one that has support for DVB-S2 ?
[15:33] <keepsake> ribo: I'm hoping to keep my files though, I have a bunch of apps and such installed with my 8.04 right now.
[15:33] <ribo> ah
[15:33] <ribo> then yes, upgrade
[15:33] <keepsake> ribo: Yeah, about 2 minutes before 8.10 finishes, then going 9.04.
[15:34] <dimitree> ribo why the desktop theme doesn't look like the login screen haha
[15:34] <dimitree> the login screen is so cool :)
[15:34] <ribo> heh
[15:35] <_r00t-> hello. i have ubuntu 9.04 alpha6 installed under ext4 fs and my problem is that sometimes when i'm trying to upgrade my system via apt-get dist-upgrade i'm getting a kernel lock... is that a ext4 issue ?
[15:35] <tretle> I heard that themes like glider are being taken out of the default themes installed on jaunty
[15:35] <keepsake> _r00t-: That may be a problem since you're using the Alpha version.
[15:36] <tretle> I have seen some changelog entries regarding this and was wondering whether there is a way of removing them without doing a fresh install of jaunty?
[15:36] <_r00t-> keepsake, yeah sure but i just wanna know if it's a ext4 problem or something else
[15:36] <ribo> _r00t-: I am running on ext4 and have had no problems
[15:37] <eternal_p> _r00t- are you doing sudo apt-get or just apt-get ?
[15:37] <_r00t-> just apt-get
[15:37] <_r00t-> asroot
[15:37] <_r00t-> as root
[15:37] <eternal_p> try a sudo apt-get from a non-root account, but I am running ext4 with zero issues
[15:38] <ribo> sudo should not make a difference..
[15:38] <_r00t-> i think the lock up happens under high cpu load
[15:52] <cumulus007> There is a bug in usb-creator
[15:52] <cumulus007> all message dialogs are stretched up
[15:52] <antoranz> when is the fix for kde's back screen coming out for jaunty?
[15:53] <antoranz> I saw someone who got it from the experimental branches
[15:53] <antoranz> blacn screen, I mean
[15:53] <cumulus007> http://imagebin.ca/view/PddPUk.html
[15:53] <antoranz> oh hell.... you get it
[15:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/343602 -- neon?  thumbee?
[15:58] <BUGabundo> keepsake: isn't it supposed to jump directly to jaunty? since hardy it should be possible
[15:58] <BUGabundo> without going for every version
[15:59] <keepsake> BUGabundo: I don't think so; If you want to use update-manager, you need to go through the ladder.
[15:59] <dimitree> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory      any idea why ?
[15:59] <BUGabundo> keepsake: update-manager -d ?
[15:59] <keepsake> BUGabundo: That's what I'm using.
[16:00] <BUGabundo> -d should go to devel branch
[16:00] <BUGabundo> and jump stabel
[16:00] <BUGabundo> *stable
[16:00] <BUGabundo> mvo_: ping
[16:00] <BUGabundo> mvo you around? can you clear this question?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> let me jump on devel and see if I get any feed back
[16:01] <keepsake> BUGabundo: Okay.
[16:03] <joaopinto> dimitree, you are probably on the wrong dir
[16:06] <BUGabundo> (04:03:37 PM) pitti: BUGabundo: LTS->LTS only, or going through all intermediate releases
[16:07] <keepsake> Ah, okay, that clears things up.
[16:08] <maxb> It's never been a supported upgrade path to do anything other that release->release+1 or LTS->LTS+1
[16:08] <keepsake> maxb: I'm aware of that. I'm on 8.10 now, doing the 9.04 a6 upgrade.
[16:17] <FiveAcres> I have the missing window decorations problem.  Do I need to log this as a bug?
[16:23] <dimitree> how to get libdvdcss and win32 codecs ? I have a DVB-S card ?
[16:23] <charlie-tca> !medibuntu
[16:24] <charlie-tca> dimitree: add medibuntu repository
[16:24] <dimitree> ok thank you !!!
[16:30] <khakane> could someone help me get sound working on VLC?
[16:33] <dimitree> will changes in asla.base work in 9.04 ?
[16:34] <dimitree> i apply a dirty fix in asla.base to get surround sound on ALC888 with "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack-6ch"
[16:36] <khakane> i just cant get any sound in vlcc
[16:38] <khakane> argh this is bullshit why does linux need 30 sound streamers and audio engines
[16:38] <syockit> 30?
[16:38] <ribo> to frustrate only you, khakane
[16:40] <syockit> for one, a 'one engine to solve it all' sound engine still doesn't exist
[16:40] <khakane> yea but i mean, i got everything else using sound just fine
[16:40] <khakane> vlc just refuses
[16:41] <khakane> sound has stopped working in firefox now as well. .great
[16:41] <ribo> is pulseaudio pegging your CPU ?
[16:42] <syockit> time to restart pulseaudio
[16:42] <khakane> i dont think it is
[16:42] <ribo> it's a bug, it's been fixed, apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot
[16:42] <khakane> nah my load is low using amarok
[16:42] <khakane> im all the way up to date
[16:44] <ribo> bummer
[16:44] <ribo> I guess that's why it's alpha :D
[16:44] <khakane> weird, removed pulseaudio
[16:44] <khakane> amarok still works
[16:44] <khakane> nothing else does still
[16:45] <ribo> maybe that's part of your problem
[16:45] <khakane> ?
[16:45] <syockit> then probably amarok's eating it up
[16:45] <syockit> lsof /dev/snd/*
[16:45] <ribo> ^
[16:45] <khakane> COMMAND    PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[16:45] <khakane> knotify4  3914    k  mem    CHR  116,4      5463 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[16:45] <khakane> knotify4  3914    k   12r   CHR  116,2      5229 /dev/snd/timer
[16:45] <khakane> knotify4  3914    k   13u   CHR  116,4      5463 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[16:45] <khakane> pulseaudi 3945    k   24u   CHR  116,6      5499 /dev/snd/controlC0
[16:45] <khakane> kmix      3954    k   10u   CHR  116,6      5499 /dev/snd/controlC0
[16:45] <khakane> its still running....
[16:45] <genii> gah
[16:46] <ikonia> khakane: use a pastebin
[16:46] <syockit> i thought amarok's playing nicely with pulse last time I tried
[16:46] <keepsake> !paste
[16:46] <khakane> dont tell me how to use irc
[16:46] <khakane> syockit: amarok seems to be sure, nothing else wants to
[16:47] <syockit> since you removed pulseaudio, i dunno any other way to stop it other than killing it
[16:47] <khakane> i killed it
[16:48] <ikonia> khakane: calm down
[16:48] <ikonia> khakane: please - it makes it easier for people to follow if you use the pastebin
[16:48] <syockit> vlc should have sdlib, try using that
[16:55] <yeason> I just installed and cannot get network. I've tried running dhclient and it just seems to time out. setting static IP's is also unsuccessful. Any ideas?
[16:57] <genii> put in a card which has a known included module?
[16:58] <yeason> hmm... I would if I could find one... lol... any suggestions for my currenty hardware?
[16:59] <genii> yeason: What does lspci report as the ethernet controller make/model ?
[16:59] <cwillu> somebody see if you can dupe this:  close firefox completely, and then reopen it.  in the url bar, type in a piece of some address you know you've got in your history.  Does the urlbar show up?  Then, click on the urlbar arrow, select an entry, and then type in that same piece:  does it work now?
[17:00] <cwillu> (same piece==the piece you typed in the first time)
[17:01] <yeason> nvidia corp MCP51 Ethernet Controller
[17:02] <ikonia> probably not supported by forcedeath
[17:03] <yeason> hmm.... so what do I need to do to get it to work
[17:04] <ikonia> as there an nvidia binary package ?
[17:07] <yeason> it looks like I already have any relevant nvidia drivers
[17:07] <ikonia> what makes you think that ?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> FiveAcres: I have!! for ever!! filed bug.... no comment yet
[17:09] <yeason> I searched the apt-cache and the only nvidia entry that seemed applicable I already have, and if i check their website they say to use forcedeth.c
[17:10] <ikonia> yeason: they are not in the repos
[17:11] <yeason> ok... I also checked nvidia's website which says to use the forcedeth driver... if not that what drivers are you talking about?
[17:12] <lucypher> Hi, is it normal that update-manager isn't visible when updates are available???
[17:12] <gnomefreak> we dont package those AKAIK but i havent looked too deep into those drivers
[17:13] <gnomefreak> lucypher: it checks every 2 days or so now run updates from terminal and see if it helps. i dont recall what finial work on notification crap now
[17:13]  * gnomefreak not here
[17:15] <charlie-tca> cwillu: I seem to be having no issues with that.
[17:21] <r0tty> anyone know how to get the new notification system woking on 9.04
[17:21] <nemo> If an ibex update says it is keeping back linux-generic - is that because I'm using some different kernel?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> nemo: that belongs in #ubuntu, but normally a linux-generic held back is because not everything is there for the complete update yet
[17:24] <nemo> charlie-tca: er. my bad. "jaunty"
[17:24] <nemo> sorry
[17:24] <nemo> losing track
[17:25] <nemo> last time I was in ubuntu+1 was for ibex :)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> yeah, it changes fast here... same answer though,
[17:25] <nemo> charlie-tca: I know once it was because I was on a different kernel. just couldn't recall which it was - result, I missed a bunch of updates
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Sometimes that will do it, too.
[17:27] <nemo> keeping back brasero, linux-generic*, ubuntu-desktop
[17:35] <gnomefreak> kernels are not held back i just did second round of 2.6.28-10 kernels today
[17:36] <ikonia> I thought one was currently held back ?
[17:38] <vadi2> Hi, there seems to be a broken package in jaunty
[17:38] <tsuther> ehlo all
[17:39] <vadi2> Is it still fixable or is it too late?
[17:39] <tsuther> after recent updates, nm-applet no longer works with KDE 4.2
[17:39] <tsuther> anyone else having this problem?
[17:39] <tsuther> well, it actually works, but it can't access the gnome-keyring
[17:40] <tsuther> The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[17:40] <yofel> vadi2: file a bugreport on launchpad
[17:41] <vadi2> yeah but... want to know, will the fix be available on jaunty or wait half a year? (wondering if I should package in the ppa or no)
[17:42] <nemo> I have more serious problems than that
[17:42] <nemo> that last lockup that this machine did, happened while updating. I have a number of blank files (like libgtkmm)
[17:42] <nemo> and general errors in reinstalling due to this or that key config file not being readable
[17:42] <nemo> like libvte9
[17:42] <vadi2> gogo ext4 :)
[17:42] <nemo> *sigh*
[17:43] <nemo> yeah, yeah :)
[17:43] <nemo> so glad this is just a test laptop
[17:43] <BUGabundo> humm stupid offer: don't crash the machine! LOL
[17:43] <BUGabundo> or use $ sync
[17:43] <BUGabundo> when crash is expected
[17:43] <nemo> BUGabundo: I tried magic sysrq sync after it locked up
[17:44] <nemo> but it didn't respond
[17:44] <vadi2> yofel: also, where exactly? the offending package has been tagged
[17:44] <nemo> (just like the last time it had locked up)
[17:44] <nemo> BUGabundo: so either magic sysrq is not enabled, or it was locked up *bad*
[17:44] <marijus> anyone experimenting with kms here?
[17:44] <nemo> BUGabundo: and of course "sync" is going to be totally useless if it locks up *while* updating :-p
[17:45] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:45] <marijus> BUGabundo: did you get compiz to work?
[17:45] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:45] <BUGabundo> using it now!
[17:45] <BUGabundo> just need to refresh compiz EVERY time I boot
[17:45] <BUGabundo> or it crashs
[17:46] <marijus> BUGabundo: how refresh?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> $ compiz --refresh
[17:46] <BUGabundo> that's one of the reasons why I always have a blank tty open
[17:46] <marijus> you mean --replace ?
[17:47] <BUGabundo> or you can aslo use fusion-icon and hope it doesn't get overlaped
[17:47] <BUGabundo> marijus: no! that to apply it
[17:47] <BUGabundo> not to refresh if the --replace doesn't work 100%
[17:47] <BUGabundo> and you are left in the middle
[17:47] <marijus> but i cant even start it...
[17:48] <marijus> it crashes x
[17:48] <josh-l> hey folks, gotta pretty serious problem here, running Kubuntu Jaunty, I can't shutdown, or reboot, when I try I eventually get to a screen with "Will now halt *" and then I have to ctrl+alt+del out of that.
[17:50] <josh-l> help?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> josh-l: will now halt is shutdown without power off. Try adding acpi=force to the kernal line and see if that helps
[17:52] <josh-l> charlie-tca: to grub menu.lst ?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> oops, not shut down yet.
[17:52] <josh-l> huh?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> yes, but you could just hit escape and andd it to the kernel line when starting to see if it works
[17:53] <josh-l> okay
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Mine follows will now halt with "system halted" then I have to power it off with the power button
[17:53] <BUGabundo> marijus: file a bug against compiz and add your .xsession-errors
[17:55] <Brinstar> is it advisable to run this partial upgrade that has appeared on UM?
[17:55] <marijus> BUGabundo: there is no errors in xsession-errors
[17:55] <nemo> yay. back to a desktop
[17:56] <Brinstar> it looks like more than a usual set of patches
[17:56] <nemo> and update-manager is replacing like 30 packages
[17:56] <nemo> had a bunch of libraries with 0 byte sizes
[17:56] <Brinstar> nemo:  u ran the partial update?
[17:56] <nemo> wonder if there's a way to forcibly reinstall any package touched in last day or 2
[17:56] <nemo> Brinstar: was that a bad idea? :-/
[17:57] <Brinstar> i dunno, thats why im asking :P
[17:57] <nemo> Brinstar: main issue for me was my system having locked up during upgrade, erasing a bunch of stuff
[17:57] <Brinstar> ohhh
[17:57] <nemo> I'm on ext4, which could be the problem
[17:57] <Brinstar> scary
[17:57] <Brinstar> me too :O
[17:57] <mnemo> nemo: have a look at /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was recently installed or updated (grep in that file for date etc)
[17:57] <nemo> mnemo: yeah. that's an idea
[17:58] <nemo> mnemo: but I'm also concerned about files that might have just been screwed up, even though they weren't directly involved
[17:58] <Brinstar> hmm thats wht im worried about
[17:58] <mnemo> nemo: you've heard about ext4 0 byte size issues in general right? the long delay until write etc?
[17:59] <mnemo> ted tso wrote a long comment about it in launchpad etc
[17:59] <Brinstar> is it true that its a 30 sec delay in some cases?
[17:59] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: NO. partial is NEVER advised
[17:59] <marijus> BUGabundo: also - with metacity - running glxgears the picture is very odd...
[17:59] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: may i ask why?
[17:59] <mnemo> Brinstar: its often longer
[17:59] <mnemo> there was a patch queued for 2.6.30 to fix it for some specific usecases
[17:59] <Brinstar> mnemo: argh
[17:59] <BUGabundo> nemo: 0bytes and ext4 are most certanly related
[18:00] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: so why are they releasing something like this?
[18:00] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: you will ended up with incomplete installs or packages removed
[18:00] <Brinstar> hmm ok
[18:00] <mnemo> Brinstar: to understand the ext4 issue deeply, read this excellent comment by ted --> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45
[18:00] <BUGabundo> on Stable release it shouldn't happen as much
[18:01] <Brinstar> reading it now mnemo
[18:01] <BUGabundo> on devel its quite common cause packages are still beaing built
[18:02] <Brinstar> i see
[18:02] <Brinstar> i might just do it out of curiousity i.e. partial upgrade :)
[18:03] <Brinstar> 'Curiousity overcomes fear far more often than bravery does'
[18:07] <josh-l> I still can't reboot, or shutdown, I tried adding acpi=force to kernel line, and still system stops at either "* will now halt" or "*will now restart"
[18:07] <josh-l> help
[18:08] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: just don't came here telling everything is broken!
[18:08] <Brinstar> lol i will do just that :P
[18:08] <BUGabundo> josh-l: any BIOS upgrade available?
[18:09] <josh-l> BUGabundo: no its pretty up to date
[18:10] <josh-l> i have the latest
[18:10] <nemo> mnemo: frankly, I don't have a problem with that behaviour
[18:10] <nemo> mnemo: my problem was (1) system locking up  (2) system ignoring magic sysrq sync
[18:10] <josh-l> BUGabundo am I going to have to go back to Intrepid?
[18:10] <nemo> mnemo: apart from that I've always been careful with sync and unmount.
[18:11] <nemo> heck. one of my buddies back 10y ago had a nervous twitch of the early adopter - he'd reflexively type sync as often as some folks hit ctrl-l or clear :)
[18:11] <nemo> I'm not quite that bad, but...
[18:12] <mnemo> heh :)
[18:12] <nemo> hm. now how to reinstall libglibmm when the package install keeps aborting...
[18:12] <nemo> not even any point in reporting it. is unique to my unfortunate situation.
[18:15] <nemo> screwit. I have no idea what is broken. it may be a waste of bandwidth due to possibly uncached things, but I'm going to reinstall everything.
[18:21] <edgy> Hi, I am getting Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:21] <edgy>  linux-image-2.6.28-10-generic
[18:21] <edgy> all of you encounter this when update?
[18:21] <ribo> I did not
[18:22] <keepsake> Not here.
[18:22] <keepsake> Also, no real noticible change after upgrade to 9.04.
[18:22] <edgy> strange
[18:22] <edgy> so how can I get around it?
[18:23] <keepsake> Weird, 2.6.28-10?
[18:23] <keepsake> I'm running 2.6.24-19
[18:23] <maxb> You need to tell people about the actual error you got, not the summary at the end which just said there was an error.
[18:23] <maxb> keepsake: What is weird about that?
[18:23] <ribo> keepsake: then you're not completely on 9.04
[18:24] <keepsake> ribo: After update-manager -d, do I still need to apt-get dist-update?
[18:24] <keepsake> Or?
[18:24] <maxb> 2.6.24-19 is a hardy kernel
[18:24] <ribo> have you ever edited your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[18:24] <edgy> maxb: you are right, ...
[18:24] <keepsake> ribo: Not yet =S
[18:25] <keepsake> ribo: You mean before? Yes.
[18:25] <ribo> that's probably why
[18:25] <ribo> it won't fix it if you've changed it
[18:25] <keepsake> ribo: What do I do to get around it and get Jaunty's kernel?
[18:25] <ribo> dist-upgrade might ask about the changed
[18:25] <ribo> *changes
[18:25] <keepsake> Okay, thanks.
[18:25] <keepsake> I'll try.
[18:25] <maxb> keepsake: dpkg -l | fgrep linux-image ... do you have a 2.6.28 kernel installed at all?
[18:26] <keepsake> I'll pastebin, one sec.
[18:26] <edgy> maxb: actually there isn't more details but now I tried -f dist-upgrade and really have detailed error at http://pastebin.ca/1363589
[18:26] <charlie-tca> keepsake: even hardy is up to .6.24-23
[18:27] <keepsake> http://paste.ubuntu.com/132613/
[18:27] <keepsake> I have all of those
[18:27] <keepsake> Or so the output would say.
[18:28] <maxb> edgy: Have you somehow uninstalled grub?
[18:29] <keepsake> Not 100% sure what the ii and rc mean
[18:30] <maxb> ii is "Installation desired, Installed", rc is "Removal desired, config-files remain"
[18:30] <keepsake> maxb: How can I fix my kernel version?
[18:30] <maxb> there's a key at the top of dpkg -l output
[18:30] <MTecknology> broken :) ... :P
[18:31] <maxb> keepsake: You have linux-image-2.6.28-10-generic installed, so you just need to boot it
[18:31] <keepsake> maxb: How do I boot it? Do I edit my boot file?
[18:31] <edgy> maxb: you are wonderful. I don't know how you guessed that but one of the updates asked me to install lilo (to my surprise!) and I said yes, now I installed grub and it works
[18:31] <maxb> keepsake: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:32] <keepsake> maxb: Yeah, okay, thanks =)
[18:32] <edgy> maxb: really, how did you guessed it from that error?
[18:32] <maxb> edgy: eek. You don't want to switch between bootloaders without a lot of care
[18:32] <maxb> edgy: "Could not find postinst hook script [update-grub]."
[18:32] <edgy> maxb: really thanks for helping
[18:32] <keepsake> maxb: Is there a utility that can be used to edit it for me?
[18:33] <maxb> no. You said earlier you'd edited it before
[18:33] <keepsake> I did, but that's only to fix my Windows boot.
[18:33] <keepsake> I didn't touch the Ubuntu sections
[18:34] <maxb> hmm
[18:34] <maxb> pastebin the entire file if you like
[18:34] <edgy> maxb: you seems so professional so allow me to ask for more please. I cannot connect to my wlan at work, and when I try manual scan I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/132593/  These IE: Unknows are strange to me and the encryption type is not mentioned, any idea?
[18:34] <keepsake> maxb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132618/.
[18:34] <maxb> edgy: Sorry, wireless is not a particular area of expertise for me
[18:35] <keepsake> I'd change it myself, but I'm not sure what the root=UUID... should be.
[18:35] <edgy> maxb: np, may be some one else can help me on this
[18:35] <maxb> keepsake: hmm.. you don't have the 2.6.28 kernel in the file at all
[18:36] <keepsake> maxb: Yeah, although the other command showed I have 2.6.28 installed...
[18:36] <keepsake> =S
[18:36] <maxb> Please pastebin your /etc/kernel-img.conf
[18:36] <keepsake> will do, one sec
[18:37] <keepsake> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132619/
[18:37] <maxb> well that's weird
[18:37] <maxb> the hook entries that are supposed to run update-grub are there
[18:37] <keepsake> I think it's mostly likely because
[18:37] <maxb> Try running update-grub (as root) and see if it detects the 2.6.28 kernel and writes it into the menu.lst
[18:38] <keepsake> during the 9.04 installation I opted to keep my menu.lst
[18:38] <keepsake> Okay, one second.
[18:38] <keepsake> Checking updated menu.lst...
[18:38] <edgy> maxb: I am afraid if I booted my PC I may find a problem, do you think so?
[18:38] <maxb> edgy: Possible... do you know for certain what you were using before, grub or lilo?
[18:39] <edgy> maxb: it's grub menu that I see even if grub is removed somehow but can't explain that
[18:39] <keepsake> maxb: It detected my 2.6.28-10 but didn't change menu.lst: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132621/
[18:40] <maxb> keepsake: um. bizarre.
[18:40] <maxb> that makes no sense.
[18:40] <nemo> *sigh* I hate wasting mirror bandwidth
[18:41] <nemo> I'm going to have to give another donation in thanks for the 600 megs of b/w I just burned through
[18:41] <maxb> Are you absolutely sure there's no mention of 2.6.28 in /boot/grub/menu.lst after that last command?
[18:41] <keepsake> maxb: Ah, there we go, I fixed it.
[18:41] <eMaX> hi all
[18:41] <keepsake> maxb: I renamed old menu.lst and had update-grub make a new one, and this worked. I'll copy old settings back.
[18:41] <eMaX> jaunty 64 bit acroread doesn't work / hangs. if you have that problem, use --sync in front of the filename
[18:42] <maxb> edgy: Right... well, if all that happened is that you installed lilo removing grub, and then installed grub removing lilo, I *think* you're *probably* ok
[18:42] <edgy> maxb: ok thanks a lot again
[18:42] <eternal_p> eMaX: nice, any idea what that does to cause it to crash
[18:43] <eMaX> I have no idea
[18:43] <keepsake> maxb: Thanks for your help, going to reboot to load 2.6.28-10
[18:43] <eMaX> I renamed /usr/bin/acroread to acroread.bin and added a script that puts the parameter in front
[18:44] <eMaX> also whatever you do, never install ttf-oriya-fonts
[18:44] <eMaX> particularly not if you use wine or codeweavers
[18:44] <eMaX> :)
[18:44] <eMaX> it crashes office 2007 severely whenever you have something with a .wmf inside. hard to find thing.
[18:44] <MTecknology> I think something is broken - http://paste.ubuntu.com/132624/
[18:45] <eMaX> MTecknology, lol
[18:45] <eMaX> you're going to have more diskspace though
[18:45] <MTecknology> eMaX: :P...
[18:46] <MTecknology> eMaX: I saw this happen once in 8.10 in dev stage - lost my whole system since I didn't know what was going on
[18:46] <MTecknology> any suggestiong for the fix?
[18:46] <eMaX> well I just did an update and that did not want to uninstall the whole system. no, no fix here. did you just apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?
[18:47] <MTecknology> that works fine
[18:47] <MTecknology> i noticed this when I tried to install totem
[18:47] <eMaX> what's the point in using aptitude -f
[18:47] <eMaX> ok I haven't that - I'm using mplayer etc. from medibuntu
[18:47] <eMaX> anyway good luck I need to make some food or else my wife's going to eat me.
[18:48] <MTecknology> eMaX: install -f is for fix
[18:48] <keepsake> Hmm, 2.6.28-10 loaded now
[18:48] <MTecknology> Aggressively try to fix broken packages.
[18:49] <keepsake> maxb: If you're still there, do you think I should "upgrade" to EXT4, or stick with EXT3?
[18:49] <maxb> If you're not sure, you should be sticking with ext3
[18:49] <MTecknology> maxb: any suggestions for me?
[18:49] <keepsake> maxb: I want to use ext4, but I'm just not sure of the steps to take.
[18:49] <eMaX> keepsake, stick with ext3 or else read the current thread somewhere about killing small files
[18:49] <eMaX> bbl
[18:50] <keepsake> eMaX: Killing small files? I'll take a look.
[18:50] <maxb> keepsake: Think of it as a challenge - if you can't track down the information on how to upgrade yourself, ext4 isn't ready enough for you yet :-)
[18:51] <keepsake> maxb: I'm on it =P
[18:51] <maxb> MTecknology: egads that's uhm... "impressive". How did you manage that/
[18:51] <maxb> *?
[18:51] <keepsake> maxb: And by the way, are there supposed to be no restricted drivers? Or is there a setting that got reset?
[18:52] <MTecknology> egads?/
[18:52] <maxb> expression of surprise
[18:52] <maxb> keepsake: no restricted drivers? What do you mean precisely?
[18:53] <keepsake> maxb: The "Hardware Drivers" option returns an empty window.
[18:53] <MTecknology> maxb: I think I perhaps fixed it :)
[18:54] <MTecknology> dloading 170MB
[18:54] <maxb> keepsake: that will only show ones relevant to detected hardware
[18:54] <keepsake> maxb: There used to be drivers for my graphics card though, or is it just because there isn't fglrx for Jaunty yet?
[18:55] <keepsake> eMaX: When you talked about killing small files, do you mean data loss?
[18:55] <maxb> keepsake: There is no fglrx for Jaunty yet. AMD are being annoyingly slow
[18:55] <MTecknology> maxb: ok... it's not fixed... but better
[18:55] <maxb> keepsake: Also, unless your card is very new, there may never be a compatible fglrx :-/
[18:56] <maxb> There is news on some forums that they are dropping support for all but R600/700 series
[18:58] <keepsake> maxb: My card isn't really old, but it's not really new either =\
[18:58] <keepsake> maxb: There used to be compatible fglrx in 8.04 =P
[18:58] <maxb> The Mobility FireGL V5200 in my laptop is R500 :-(
[18:59] <maxb> Fortunately the opensource radeon driver in jaunty is giving me decent compiz and DVD playback so I'm happy
[18:59] <keepsake> maxb: So if the issue with ext4 is delayed allocation, would changing the "VM tuning parameters" make up for the problems?
[18:59] <MTecknology> maxb: it looks like this might be a bug in aptitude
[19:00] <maxb> keepsake: No idea. My advice on ext4 is that if you're unsure, don't yet.
[19:01] <keepsake> maxb: Okay, thanks.
[19:02] <keepsake> maxb: Seeing as you're at least pretty experienced with Linux, is having a VM for Windows a good idea?
[19:02] <MTecknology> keepsake: right now the software that uses it can cause issues w/ syncs and you lose data
[19:02] <keepsake> MTecknology: I see, thanks. Maybe I'll use ext4 when Jaunty is released.
[19:02] <maxb> keepsake: That would depend on whether you care in the slightest about Windows any more :-)  I don't. I've made my escape completely :-)
[19:03] <antoranz> guys... do you know when the kde blank screen bug correction will be out for mortal jaunty users?
[19:03] <keepsake> maxb: =P I wished I could escape to Linux, but there are certain programs that refuse to run properly in Wine and such that I need for school.
[19:03] <antoranz> keepsake: did you try virtualization?
[19:05] <keepsake> antoranz: That's what I'm looking into right now; more specifically, VirtualBox.
[19:05] <antoranz> k
[19:07] <eternal_p> keepsake: when it comes to your hardware drives, yuo need to run update manager first, get updated then reboot then run it
[19:07] <MTecknology> lol - apt wants to drop dkms...
[19:07] <MTecknology> and fakeroot
[19:07] <keepsake> eternal_p: Okay, I'll try that.
[19:09] <keepsake> eternal_p: No significant updates available though.
[19:09] <eternal_p> what kind of hardware
[19:10] <keepsake> Phenom 9500, ATI 2400Pro card (which really sucks)
[19:10] <MTecknology> I wonder if it wanting to remove xorg is bad
[19:15] <MTecknology> YES - Fixed! :D
[19:15] <MTecknology> hopefully a reboot works
[19:15] <keepsake> !yay | MTecknology
[19:20] <keepsake> VirtualBox running, awesome.
[19:28] <keepsake> Is there a way to access files inside a VirtualBox hd (.vdi) from outside?
[19:33] <nemo> *sigh* that crash in upgrade screwed something up - getting a lot of "exec format error" on install/uninstall of packages
[19:33] <nemo> anyone have any idea *what* might be screwed up?
[19:33] <eternal_p> keepsake: what do you mean?
[19:33] <eternal_p> you can do a samba shared drive, or a virtualbox shared drive
[19:34] <nemo> I'm doing a dpkg -i reinstall of a bunch of stuff and crossing my fingers.
[19:34] <keepsake> eternal_p: Would that allow me to read files inside the .vdi virtual hard drive?
[19:34] <eternal_p> keepsake: without virtualbox running and loaded? no
[19:34] <MTecknology> Is there any way to see what video drivers X11 is using?
[19:34] <keepsake> eternal_p: Ah, okay, thanks.
[19:34] <keepsake> MTecknology: Check your xorg.conf?
[19:34] <MTecknology> I'm assuming it's either nvidia or ati
[19:35] <MTecknology> keepsake: ... go take a peek at it ;)
[19:35] <MTecknology> keepsake: xorg.conf is no longer used
[19:35] <keepsake> MTecknology: Oh, really? I didn't know, sorry >__<
[19:36] <MTecknology> I'm sure I'm using either nvidia, ati, or intel
[19:36] <MTecknology> not sure which it's picking up though
[19:37] <MTecknology> hrm - or vesa i suppose - i pray not
[19:38] <joaopinto> MTecknology, look at Xorg.0.log
[19:39] <MTecknology> heh - last line in there - exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!
[19:40] <joaopinto> MTecknology, grep "LoadModule:" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:40] <joaopinto> if you have an ATI card, most likely, vesa
[19:41] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.com/m329bde84
[19:41] <MTecknology> looks like it using intel
[19:42] <keepsake> Weird, I have an ATI card, but it doesn't mention vesa anywhere.
[19:42] <MTecknology> joaopinto: does this look bad, or not so bad? http://pastebin.com/m21ccfa5b
[19:43] <IntuitiveNipple> MTecknology: glxinfo | grep '^OpenGL'
[19:43] <MTecknology> IntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.com/m69e7ae9
[19:44] <IntuitiveNipple> Using the mesa driver
[19:44] <MTecknology> IntuitiveNipple: any idea what package that comes in?
[19:44] <noren> hi there need help, my system wont start kdm and stuck with console only
[19:44] <MTecknology> xserver-xorg-video-?
[19:45] <joaopinto> MTecknology, intel
[19:45] <joaopinto> MTecknology, the intel driver is being loaded
[19:45] <MTecknology> joaopinto: IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[19:45] <noren> i just updated with the latest update, there are some packages i am unable to get while doing aptget update while in sudo/konsole
[19:46] <MTecknology> joaopinto: that really long post I made, is that bad, or just how things are detected every time now?
[19:46] <noren> using irssi frm the konsole for the time being
[19:46] <thiebaude> IntuitiveNipple: i upgraded to 9.04 yesterday and it didn't work so for right now i went back to LTS
[19:47] <MTecknology> if that's normal, I think I'd like to make a line(section) in xorg.conf to just tell it what to use every time
[19:47] <noren> !latest
[19:47] <thiebaude> !stable
[19:47] <thiebaude> lol
[19:48] <askand> Hi! Whos idea was it to add a timer to the shutdown? What was the rationale?
[19:48] <askand> Any links to mailinglists where it was discussed?
[19:48] <noren> well any help
[19:48] <MTecknology> lol - I like how you guys say 9.04 isn't supported - but it kinda is :P - just not officially
[19:48] <thiebaude> askand: there is a timer in 8.10
[19:49] <askand> thiebaude: no there is not?
[19:49] <thiebaude> i like the idea of a timer
[19:49] <MTecknology> the timer is kinda mac like
[19:49] <thiebaude> yes there is when you click on shutdown it gives you 60 sec
[19:50] <askand> no, im on 8.10 now and it does not :S
[19:50] <noren> well i got here 64bit need help, with kdm !!
[19:51] <MTecknology> I'm gonna reboot and see if I still have a system :P
[19:51] <MTecknology> ttyal
[19:51] <keepsake> !ask | noren
[19:51] <noren> never mind i will try dist upgradde and then come here again
[19:51] <MTecknology> keepsake: he did - above
[19:52] <MTecknology> noren: read the topic
[19:52] <keepsake> MTecknology: Ah, I see, I wasn't sure if his "kdm" problem was the same as the aptget
[19:52] <noren> keepsake : i already aasked,, got broken kdm after latest update. it wont start
[19:52] <keepsake> noren: I'm aware, sorry for the confusion.
[19:53] <noren> i thought it  would be relevent to ask here as i m using jaunty
[19:54] <keepsake> Well, it is, but it's still an alpha, so for all we know, it could just be a bug =\
[19:55] <noren> keepsake: thats wat i was trying to confirm if its a bug then i wud wait or i will try to fix it at my end
[20:15] <MTecknology> what package does that power applet come in?
[20:16] <Pici> MTecknology: I'd guess it was gnome-power-manager
[20:16] <MTecknology> I mean the shutdown/logout/hibernate/suspend
[20:16] <nemo> ah. I see what my problem was
[20:17] <MTecknology> default all teh way on the right of the gnome panel
[20:17] <nemo> because the old install blew up, a bunch of the various config scripts were all broked
[20:17] <nemo> borked
[20:17] <MTecknology> Pici: I made a script like that for my system, but I'd like to replace it w/ that
[20:18] <nemo> after I ran dpkg -i  it still errored on running the uninstall scripts, but did the new install anyway
[20:18] <nemo> after that, apt-get upgrade stopped complaining
[20:18] <nemo> and. hopefully it won't complain again
[20:19] <MTecknology> !find gnome-video-thumbnailer
[20:19] <MTecknology> yes it does
[20:19] <nemo> MTecknology: you're getting crashes in thumbnailing too? :)
[20:20] <MTecknology> nemo: no, I was trying to remove that thing
[20:22] <nemo> MTecknology: really. why? iz cool. :-p
[20:22] <MTecknology> nemo: huh?
[20:23] <MTecknology> I love these new notifications...
[20:23] <MTecknology> with my theme, they fit 100% perfect
[20:23] <nemo> video thumbnails are like one of the few things I like about desktop environments
[20:23] <Brinstar> argh its all broken
[20:24] <Brinstar> lols
[20:24] <Brinstar> bugamundos not here
[20:24] <Brinstar> the partial upgrade went ok for me
[20:30] <nemo> Brinstar: went ok for me too, once I (hopefully) unbroke that crashiness.
[20:30] <Brinstar> hmm
[20:30] <Brinstar> i didnt experience any of that
[20:30] <Brinstar> yet :)
[20:30] <nemo> well. during upgrade was the very worst time for system to lock up.  I didn't even get around to checking log file to see if there were clues as to why it happened
[20:36] <ghindo> Is Python still broken in Jaunty?
[20:37] <MTecknology> anyone know how to put a new line in a row of buttons for gmessage?
[20:37] <crdlb> ghindo: what package specifically?
[20:37] <crdlb> MTecknology: gmessage?
[20:38] <MTecknology> !info gmessage
[20:38] <ghindo> crdlb: I thought that there were some issues with Python in Jaunty (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html)
[20:39] <crdlb> that wasn't about python itself, but about external packages that needed to be rebuilt
[20:39] <crdlb> most of them have been (maybe all by now)
[20:40] <crdlb> MTecknology: zenity?
[20:41] <ghindo> crdlb: Okay, thank you
[20:41] <crdlb> I guess that's more powerful than zenity
[20:42] <joaopinto> there is still a problem with miro  (Python)
[20:42] <ghindo> !info miro
[20:45] <MTecknology> crdlb: I just have a list of buttons that I want split onto two rows
[20:46] <crdlb> I doubt you can do that
[20:46] <MTecknology> !info gxmessage
[20:46] <MTecknology> hrm
[20:47] <crdlb> why not use a real language? :)
[20:47] <MTecknology> crdlb: hrm?
[20:47] <MTecknology> crdlb: wanna see what I'm looking at?
[20:47] <crdlb> sure
[20:48] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.com/m3cc06d7c
[20:50] <crdlb> hmm
[20:50]  * crdlb has an idea
[20:50] <MTecknology> ok
[20:54] <MTecknology> crdlb: what is it?
[20:54] <crdlb> zenity --list --title "Take action" --text="What do you want to do?" --height 250 --column="Choices" "Suspend" "Hibernate" "Logout" "Reboot" "Shutdown"
[20:54] <crdlb> it needs some tweaking, but that's the idea
[20:55] <MTecknology> crdlb: nice
[20:56] <crdlb> for anything more, you'll need to use something like pygtk :)
[20:56] <MTecknology> crdlb: how do I evaluate the return?
[20:56] <MTecknology> same way?
[20:56] <crdlb> it returns the choice
[20:56] <crdlb> as a string
[20:56] <MTecknology> oh
[20:56] <MTecknology> ok :)
[20:57] <MTecknology> crdlb: same case or to lower?
[20:57] <MTecknology> heh - I'll check
[20:57] <MTecknology> crdlb: thanks, I like that a lot
[20:59] <BUGabundo> nice... pidgin is memory leaking
[21:00] <BUGabundo> that would explain why it crashes EVERY 1st time I start it after boot
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but the 2nd works
[21:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:00] <BUGabundo> dtchen: hi
[21:00]  * BUGabundo checks email... wants to know how NM icon thread is going
[21:01] <DanaG> Stupid friggin' update-manager...
[21:01] <DanaG> just auto-launched to show me 5-WEEK OLD updates.
[21:01] <DanaG> That's the last time I'd booted this drive.
[21:01] <DanaG> You'd think, at the very least, they'd UPDATE THE FRIGGIN' PACKAGE CACHE before showing update-manager!
[21:02] <DanaG> ... because auto-launching to show 5-week old updates....... is just plain stupid.
[21:02] <DanaG> nm icon thread?
[21:02] <m_tadeu> hi all
[21:03] <crdlb> MTecknology: the only thing I don't like is that there's no default choice
[21:03] <m_tadeu> what do you guys advise to update my dyndns?
[21:04] <crdlb> MTecknology: you can enable that by adding another column and using --radiolist, but then you cannot select a row by clicking anywhere in it
[21:05] <MTecknology> crdlb: I'll use arrow keys for it - and a default would be nice
[21:05] <MTecknology> crdlb: I like it
[21:05] <crdlb> MTecknology: well, you can have a default, you just can't indicate it
[21:06] <MTecknology> crdlb: how do you do that?
[21:06] <crdlb> the exit code will still indicate whether cancel or ok was pressed
[21:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah... haven't you seen it?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ok with 5 week old you should have the older one! be ready
[21:07] <DanaG> Or are you speaking of the using no-signal to indicate no-connection.... even on non-wifi-capable computers?
[21:07] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:07] <BUGabundo> its still on going!
[21:07] <MTecknology> I should go buy my gf a flower - I bought her some but they're dying...
[21:07] <BUGabundo> charlie backed me up!!! LUVelly
[21:07] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: OT!!
[21:08] <DPic_> anybody know why there is a live CD and DVD?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: ask Hobbsee or something!
[21:08]  * BUGabundo ducks
[21:08] <MTecknology> huh?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> DPic_: please explain!
[21:08] <MTecknology> It's been a while since I've talked to Hobbsee
[21:08] <DPic_> BUGabundo, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/
[21:08] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: but you confused me
[21:08] <DPic_> there is the normal live CD, and a live DVD, which doesn't say that the differrence is
[21:09] <BUGabundo> DPic_: humm bigger ? more packages!
[21:09] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: most of us are *geeks*
[21:09] <BUGabundo> we can't help you with sentimental probs!
[21:10] <BUGabundo> but if you have a kernel prob, you can most probably find 2 or 3 interessed in helping
[21:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:10] <DPic_> BUGabundo, i'd assume something like that, but what extra packages are there? is there a list online or somethin
[21:10] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: it wasn't a problem - just random statement - I did a permanent part of -offtopic
[21:10] <BUGabundo> DPic_: I think so! just not sure where!
[21:10] <BUGabundo> you can search for the seeds and check the depencies
[21:10] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:10] <BUGabundo> I never go there... but I think I should
[21:11] <BUGabundo> it would help me vent a bit
[21:11]  * BUGabundo checks #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:11] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: don't - it's not worth it
[21:11] <MTecknology> there's a reason I won't go back
[21:11] <DanaG> someone wanna' link to that thread?
[21:11] <DPic_> BUGabundo, ah, found it http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd
[21:12] <BUGabundo> that's not it DPic_
[21:12] <MTecknology> what's the diff between sysklogd and klogd ?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> DanaG: sure
[21:12] <BUGabundo> im the OP
[21:12] <DPic_> BUGabundo, it isn't a list, but it explains that the main advantage is for language packs
[21:12] <BUGabundo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html
[21:12] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ^^^^^^^^^
[21:12] <BUGabundo> DPic_: ok
[21:15] <DrHalan> did "nautilus-cd-burner" get removed by purpose?
[21:17] <crdlb> I believe it has been replaced by brasero in gnome
[21:17] <hggdh> seems so. I remember a thread somewhere about it
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I think so DrHalan
[21:18] <BUGabundo> upstream change
[21:18] <BUGabundo> it got dump by gnome
[21:18] <BUGabundo> to reduce duplicate tools
[21:18] <MTecknology> got my system down to 957 installed packaged
[21:18] <DrHalan> so now i use brasero?
[21:18] <MTecknology> packages*
[21:19] <MTecknology> DrHalan: once you use it, you'll be glad it changed ;)
[21:19] <MTecknology> DrHalan: but you could just install it...
[21:19] <DrHalan> oh and they renamed brasero to "CD/DVD Creator" that is nice
[21:20] <DrHalan> no no MTecknology i was just wondering
[21:21] <filthpig> Hi all. On my ATI r200-based card I've experienced some problems with Jaunty since ~alpha4.. First I had very poor performance with Compiz effects enabled, so I disabled them. After some updates I tried to activate them again, but then I didn't get any window borders. Now, a few updates later, I just get the message that compiz could not be enabled. I'm running a dist-upgrade as I'm writing, so I'll see if that helps my situation.. No high h
[21:21] <DrHalan> it just seemed strange that they did that right before beta
[21:21] <DrHalan> filthpig: you use what driver?
[21:22] <filthpig> DrHalan: the xorg-...-ati one.. the -radeon one doesn't support the r200 cards
[21:22] <crdlb> wrong
[21:23] <DrHalan> ati = radeon istn it?
[21:23] <filthpig> is it? Hm. I might have misread something then
[21:23] <crdlb> the only thing -radeon doesn't support is some weird pre-radeon stuff
[21:23] <crdlb> other than that ati just loads radeon
[21:23] <filthpig> maybe I meant -radeonhd?
[21:23] <maxb> -ati is a wrapper which loads one of three other actual drivers depending on the card
[21:23] <DrHalan> ah okay
[21:23] <DrHalan> ah nice :)
[21:24] <crdlb> filthpig: first of all, make sure 'compiz' is installed
[21:24] <crdlb> a bad update may have removed it a while ago if you didn't pay close attention :)
[21:24] <filthpig> crdlb: okay. I'll check it once I've got these latest updates installed
[21:25] <filthpig> my poor old Pentium M is kinda dying on me :)
[21:26] <crdlb> with my poor RV200 (which is an R100), XAA is a bit faster than EXA
[21:26] <crdlb> and EXA is now the default for radeon
[21:27] <filthpig> okay. Is it a big deal to switch to XAA?
[21:27] <filthpig> (and what are the pros and cons of doing so?)
[21:28] <crdlb> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in Section "Device" of your xorg.conf
[21:28] <filthpig> ah, even I can do that :p
[21:28]  * DanaG hopes r300 EXA works better than R300 XAA.
[21:29] <crdlb> EXA makes use of the 3d engine, whereas with XAA it doesn't really try
[21:29] <DanaG> cool.
[21:29] <DanaG> I've booted my 32-bit Jaunty hard drive over USB on a random different system at school.
[21:29] <crdlb> but this gpu is so weak, that it's not really worth the effort
[21:29] <DanaG> 01:00.1 Display controller [0380]: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] [1002:5b70]
[21:30] <kosmonaut1> were do i find the settings -in *gconf-edidor*- for gnome-power-manager: So that I can set the cpufreq behavior. AFAIK in 8.04 it was apps -> gnome-power-manager -> cpufreq -> policy_ac...In jaunty I can't find it.
[21:30] <crdlb> filthpig: EXA is also required for textured video with compiz, but I use the hardware overlay anyway
[21:30] <MTecknology> anyone wanna argue that ubuntu is slower than other distros? here we go - http://s5.tinypic.com/2a8m8i1.jpg
[21:30] <crdlb> because of the crappy gpu :)
[21:30] <nemo> crdlb: heh. better than my Intel card :)
[21:31] <crdlb> nemo: which one? ;)
[21:31] <nemo> crdlb: I had to add a "Reduced Quality" flag to hedgewars just to make the game playable :)
[21:31] <nemo> before adding the flag I got 7fps - after turning off most textures I got it up to a blazig 14fps
[21:31] <filthpig> oh, updates are done, brb
[21:31] <crdlb> one of those 4500 HD chips is vastly better than mine
[21:31] <BUGabundo> did I hear *hedgewars* ?????????????
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I love ittttttttt
[21:31] <nemo> crdlb: (14fps at 800x600)
[21:32] <nemo> BUGabundo: thanks :)
[21:32] <nemo> BUGabundo: have you tried the nightlies?
[21:32] <crdlb> so what is it? an i915?
[21:32] <nemo> yeah
[21:32] <MTecknology> What do you guys think of that boot time?
[21:32] <josh-l> hi, anyone know if there is anything I can do to install koffice2 on kubuntu intrepid?
[21:33] <filthpig> aha! crdlb, you're correct, compiz actually has been uninstalled at some point :D
[21:34] <BUGabundo> "Not enough free disk space
[21:34] <BUGabundo> The upgrade needs a total of 159M free space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 2430k of disk space on '/'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'."
[21:34] <BUGabundo> damnnnnnn
[21:34] <MTecknology> doesn't look like I'll be able to trim that much unless I remove a bunch of stuff and start running startup processes parallel
[21:35] <BUGabundo> nemo: not enouth time to play!
[21:35] <BUGabundo> need to go back and play some more
[21:35] <BUGabundo> need free space 1st
[21:35] <nemo> BUGabundo: clear /var/cache/apt/archives  ? :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[21:35]  * DanaG has his system boot in like 29 seconds.
[21:35] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.7G  150M  99% /
[21:35] <BUGabundo> tmpfs                 2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /lib/init/rw
[21:35] <BUGabundo> varrun                2.0G  128K  2.0G   1% /var/run
[21:35] <BUGabundo> varlock               2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /var/lock
[21:35] <BUGabundo> udev                  2.0G   88K  2.0G   1% /dev
[21:35] <BUGabundo> tmpfs                 2.0G  4.4M  1.9G   1% /dev/shm
[21:35] <BUGabundo> lrm                   2.0G  2.4M  1.9G   1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-10-generic/volatile
[21:35] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda5             282G  167G  115G  60% /home
[21:36] <nemo> BUGabundo: was that reaaaally necessary?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> sorry for the spam
[21:36] <BUGabundo> forgot '/'
[21:36] <jussi01> !flood
[21:36] <BUGabundo> mine takes 80secs
[21:36] <BUGabundo> sorryyyyy
[21:36] <ghindo> !flood | BUGabundo
[21:36] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[21:36] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.7G  150M  99% /
[21:36] <nemo> I saw it the first time
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I meant just to say this!!!
[21:37] <nemo> BUGabundo: rm -rf /home/bugabundo/Videos/Porn
[21:37] <DanaG> heh, you should see my disk usage.
[21:37] <filthpig> MTecknology: not bad. According to bootchart my computer boots in 25 secs, but the time it takes to get the desktop up and running almost doubles my time.. For me that's more important..
[21:37] <BUGabundo> not on that partition
[21:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:37] <DanaG> Lots and lots of random stuff.
[21:37] <DanaG> Mostly various anime series.
[21:37] <nemo> mine has like a year of TDS/TCR
[21:37] <nemo> I don't know why I'm keeping them
[21:37] <nemo> mostly 'cause I still have space I guess
[21:37] <DanaG> At least I offload most of the biggest, least-frequently-used stuff to the 640 gig external.
[21:38] <MTecknology> filthpig: you mean after you press enter after your password?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> guys ... OT
[21:38] <kosmonaut1> some1?
[21:38] <MTecknology> filthpig: for me that's a whopping 3sec
[21:39] <nemo> BUGabundo: anyway. with baobab, shouldn't be hard to clean that sucker up
[21:39] <nemo> I used to use jdiskreport before someone wrote a native one
[21:39] <filthpig> MTecknology: well, I've got automatic logon so I don't even have to do that
[21:39] <DanaG> hmm, where can I get a Jaunty ARM Alternate-CD.
[21:39] <DanaG> ?
[21:39] <joaopinto> can someone else confirm bug 344500 ?
[21:39] <filthpig> brb
[21:40] <DanaG> baobab sucks -- doesn't show any files, at all!
[21:40] <DanaG> I use filelight instead.
[21:40] <DanaG> Bummer: filelight totally ignores the "do not scan these dirs" setting if you scan /   .
[21:41] <DanaG> argh, where's an ARM non-netboot ISO?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> nemo: its all those dbgsym packages!
[21:41] <nemo> heh
[21:41] <nemo> those *are* large
[21:41] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, can you test alarm-clock ?
[21:41] <joaopinto> is not a system crash, just a X freeze, I think :P
[21:42] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: nope
[21:42] <DrHalan> so if nautilus-cd-burner got removed from gnome will teh same happen with ekiga as there is now empathy?
[21:42] <joaopinto> :\
[21:42] <crdlb> did ubuntu ever pick up fedora's trick for making those debug symbol files smaller?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: ekiga is KDE
[21:42] <crdlb> ekiga is gnome
[21:43] <crdlb> formerly known as gnomemeeting
[21:43] <DrHalan> kopete is kde
[21:43] <untitled> hello. I have an usb microphone, it workes fine in kubuntu 8.10, but in 9.04 in kmix I can't increase the volume. The mic is recognized well, but the bar in kmix is in the bottom and won't go up
[21:43] <crdlb> DrHalan: it might, I guess
[21:43] <filthpig> and back :)
[21:44] <untitled> and it is not reaction on any changes in alsamixer
[21:44] <crdlb> is ekiga an official part of the gnome deesktop?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> crdlb: really???
[21:44]  * DanaG hopes armel will work on a Zaurus.
[21:44] <DrHalan> would be cool if the ekiga and maybe pidign people would support empathy it is really nice
[21:44] <BUGabundo> never knew!
[21:44] <DrHalan> but misses some polishing
[21:44] <crdlb> BUGabundo: not everything with a 'k' in it is for kde :)
[21:44] <DanaG> One thing my audio chip can do, that PA won't take advantage of:
[21:44] <BUGabundo> eeheheheeheh
[21:44] <DanaG> Two simultaneous, independent capture streams.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> not the name, but the look!
[21:44] <BUGabundo> it always felt like kde app
[21:44] <DrHalan> is it just me or would a lot more people actually use kde if it wasn't using all those Ks
[21:45] <filthpig> MTecknology: I used a stopwatch to measure my boot time now, and it clocked in at 1 min 4 secs
[21:45] <DanaG> Kyeah, kthat k-based knaming kscheme kreally kis kannoying.
[21:45] <crdlb> DrHalan: well, as a gnome user, the 'k's are actually sort of nice
[21:45] <crdlb> they say "this isn't the app you're looking for" :P
[21:46] <filthpig> haha
[21:46] <filthpig> anyhoo, desktop effects are up and running again!
[21:46] <DrHalan> if the ad least used a soft letter maybe a vowel or so...
[21:46] <MTecknology> filthpig: ouch - I want to trim mine down more
[21:46] <nemo> hm. you know. how *do* you tell baobab not to try scanning cifs mounts? the interface prefs are annoyingly minimalist
[21:47] <DanaG> baobab also doesn't show any frigggin' FILES.
[21:47] <DrHalan> i hope that xsane gets dropped soon gnomeScan is nicee =)
[21:47] <DanaG> Makes it useless for me.
[21:47] <filthpig> MTecknology: oh well. At work I almost daily prepare Vista machines for customers, and holy COW that OS takes ages to boot, shut down, install updates and everything!
[21:48] <m_tadeu> doesn't jaunty come with hotway?
[21:48] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/
[21:48] <DanaG> vboxdrv's find and grep take at least a half a second of that.
[21:49] <MTecknology> filthpig: lol - ya - tha compared to this is pretty interesting :P - I'm running off though
[21:49] <crdlb> speaking of TDS/TCR ...
[21:49]  * crdlb will be gone for ~42 minutes
[21:49] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I do to optimize my boot further?
[21:49] <filthpig> One customer had a problem with the mobile broadband modem he bought, and I decided to have a look at it.. The machine, a brand-spanking new HP with Centrino 2 and all the works, took several minutes to boot.. And it was a 64 bit system...
[21:50] <filthpig> crdlb: sure it's not gonna be 43? ;)
[21:50] <nemo> DanaG: what did you use to generate that chart?
[21:50] <DanaG> pybootchartgui
[21:50] <DanaG> finally got added to the repo.
[21:50] <DanaG> It's been broken out from bootchart.
[21:50] <nemo> DanaG: neat.
[21:51] <filthpig> hm, do you need a gui for that? I simply installed the bootchart package from the repos
[21:51] <DanaG> pybootchartgui also auto-generates pngs.
[21:51] <DanaG> It used to be a java thing as part of the bootchart package itself.
[21:51] <nemo> filthpig: despite all the time I hang out on commandlines, I'm still a sucker for teh guis
[21:51] <nemo> if I'm not using it every single day, I want a gui
[21:52] <DanaG> I wish I knew what to do to further speed up my boot.
[21:52] <filthpig> you don't need to use the CLI at all, just reboot your computer and pick up the bootchart print at /var/log/bootchart :)
[21:52] <nemo> DanaG: is this boot parallelised?
[21:52] <DanaG> Yeah.
[21:52] <nemo> is hard for me to tell from the graph :)
[21:52] <DanaG> It's set to CONCURRENCY=shell
[21:53] <nemo> DanaG: odd they all seem to finish at about the same time?
[21:53] <nemo> that seems a tad improbable
[21:54] <nemo> at least, I'm getting the sense there are a few things happening in parallel now.
[21:54] <nemo> mount.ntfs for example
[21:54] <nemo> seems to finish at same time as say, sshd
[21:54] <nemo> is there some blocking thing going on?
[21:55] <DanaG> Beats me.
[21:55] <nemo> or pccardd
[21:56] <DanaG> The only cardbus device in that laptop is a Ricoh Bay8Controller.
[21:56] <DanaG> It's a SmartCard reader, that happens to be HARDWIRED into the laptop.
[21:56] <DanaG> Thanks, HP, but I would've rather had the danged cardbus slot!
[21:56] <filthpig> what's seahorse?
[21:56] <nemo> DanaG: also. one of the entries seems to overflow the 45s mark
[21:56] <DanaG> Oh, and the module seems to be pata_pcmcia
[21:56] <nemo> I think the issue is your chart doesn't extend far enough to the right
[21:56] <nemo> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/EliteBook-jaunty-20090313-7.png
[21:57] <nemo> the entry between dbus-daemon and dnsmasq for example
[21:57] <DanaG> That'd be a bug in pybootchartgui, then.
[21:58] <virtuelv> someone, please hand me a time machine
[21:58] <nemo> DanaG: fixit :-p
[21:58] <virtuelv> I need to go back and uninvent that dainbramage called "MTP"
[21:58] <nemo> DanaG: sooo.  yeah. I'm going with. "insufficient data to make recommendations"
[21:58] <nemo> :-p
[21:58] <DanaG> MTP?
[21:58] <DanaG> as in MTP-based media player thingy?
[21:58]  * DanaG happens to have a USB Mass Storage-based media player thingy.
[21:58] <DanaG> Far more sane.
[21:59] <virtuelv> yes
[22:00] <virtuelv> my device is, unfortunately, capable of both MTP and UMS
[22:00] <virtuelv> and since 9.04, Ubuntu insists that my device is MTP
[22:00] <virtuelv> which is completely braindamaged
[22:00] <virtuelv> and the bugs about it aren't being triaged
[22:01] <DanaG> Here's something odd with my iAudio6: if I put it in mtp mode... it still connects in UMS mode.
[22:01] <DanaG> ... even in Windows, unless I specifically do "update driver"
[22:02] <virtuelv> I bought my Walkman specifically because it was linux-compatible, and a mass-storage device
[22:02] <DanaG> Next device I plan to get:
[22:03] <DanaG> http://www.dapreview.net/p/content/content.php?content.348
[22:03] <DrHalan> DanaG: isn't there a file on the player like ".is_mtp" or so that you can just remove?
[22:03] <virtuelv> and the bug, as I said, isn't triaged
[22:03] <virtuelv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/330383
[22:03] <DanaG> On mine, it's a setting that you can change in the settings UI on the device.
[22:03] <DanaG> It also changes the device ID a bit.
[22:03] <virtuelv> mine doesn't have that setting
[22:04] <DanaG> oh yeahzzz, and here's my system drive: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_ST9250421AS.png
[22:05] <DanaG> -1.0% CPU usage... nice.
[22:05] <DanaG> How do you even GET negative CPU usage?
[22:05] <nemo> DanaG: is it only measuring one core perhaps?
[22:06] <DanaG> Beats me.
[22:06] <nemo> +/- 1% has happened to me with dual core
[22:06] <nemo> like 101% usage
[22:06] <DanaG> Also, I'm not sure what that hideous purple thing in the titlebar is.
[22:06] <DanaG> It sure wasn't there when I screenshotted it.
[22:06] <DanaG> Previous drive: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_Hitachi_HTS722020K9S.png
[22:07] <nemo> BTW, folks here know that compiz can do that blur on transparency right? :)
[22:07] <DanaG> And a drive over eSATA: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_SAMSUNG_HD642JJ.png
[22:08] <nemo> the one clever thing that vista aero did - breaks up sharp lines which were always a problem with transparent or pseudo-transparent windows
[22:08] <DanaG> heh, just realized my wallpaper shows through.
[22:08] <DanaG> Samsung 640GB.  Kickass hard drive.  Damn fast, and damn quiet.
[22:09] <DanaG> I also have other random stuff there, too.
[22:09] <DanaG> .... like this graph of the battery in a Toshiba laptop: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Power%20History-9.png
[22:10] <Laney> dtchen: Just discovering that miro causes pulse to die far more often than anything else does
[22:10] <Laney> don't know if that's interesting to you
[22:11] <DanaG> http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.4483
[22:11] <dtchen> Laney: what does pulseaudio -vvv tell you?
[22:11] <dtchen> Laney: (i can't debug without relevant info)
[22:12] <dtchen> Laney: be aware that -vvv will probably spam syslog
[22:12] <Laney> dtchen: OK, how to debug is what I was after
[22:12] <BUGabundo> dtchen: did manage to check my logs?
[22:12] <dtchen> BUGabundo: not yet; i have a few rather pressing things to wrap up
[22:12] <BUGabundo> bah
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:12] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i will get to them tonight
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I'll wait in silence... pun intended
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bug 343258
[22:13] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes, i have it in my inbox
[22:13] <BUGabundo> just in case you want to know, other then the email I sent you dtchen
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I've added the alsa .sh
[22:14] <BUGabundo> forget to say I have both KDE and GNOME desktops
[22:14] <BUGabundo> not sure it matters!
[22:14] <Laney> running with -vvv now; logs coming when it next dies
[22:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo: can you reproduce the error on a fresh daily-live boot?
[22:14] <Laney> guh, audio/video is out of sync now
[22:15] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:15] <BUGabundo> fresh daily all works!
[22:15] <BUGabundo> aplay makes noise, but totem works
[22:15] <dtchen> BUGabundo: excellent, that's a data point.
[22:15] <BUGabundo> so its not HW
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I know!
[22:15] <DrHalan> talking about linxu devices. Is there any other phone supporting the OpenMoko yet except the Neo?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> that's why I collected all of that data
[22:15] <BUGabundo> as a baseline
[22:15] <dtchen> BUGabundo: can you reproduce the symptom with a fresh user logged into GNOME?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> haven't tried it
[22:16] <BUGabundo> but I've deleted .pulse a few times
[22:16] <BUGabundo> not sure other userspace stuff is keot
[22:16] <BUGabundo> *kept
[22:16] <BUGabundo> but will create a new user and test
[22:16] <BUGabundo> tomorrow I'll update the log
[22:17] <dtchen> BUGabundo: if you can reproduce the error with a fresh user, then you should do the following:
[22:17] <dtchen> sudo /alsa/sbin force-unload
[22:17] <dtchen> sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[22:17] <dtchen> then shutdown, wait 2 minutes, and power up
[22:17] <dtchen> the cold powercycle is necessary to reset the codec
[22:18] <BUGabundo> why 2min?
[22:18]  * BUGabundo creating a new user
[22:18]  * dtchen thinks
[22:18] <dtchen> hmm
[22:18] <dtchen> ok, before you do the reboot thing, please take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[22:19] <dtchen> on line 12, make sure you don't have ... { :sbin/modprobe ...
[22:19] <dtchen> if you do, change that :sbin to /sbin
[22:19] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:19] <dtchen> (that's bug 344213)
[22:19] <BUGabundo> dtchen: the new user should "Use Audio Devices" ?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> its there by default when creating a new user
[22:20] <dtchen> BUGabundo: not yet
[22:20] <BUGabundo> not sure that will place him in Audio group
[22:20] <dtchen> that adds the user to @audio, which should not be necessary when using PA
[22:20] <BUGabundo> bug ?
[22:20] <dtchen> we need to see what happens
[22:20]  * BUGabundo checks typo
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Invalid arguments!
[22:21] <BUGabundo> pastebinit v0.11.2
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Reads on stdin for input or takes a filename as first parameter
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Optional arguments:
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 	-h This help screen
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 	-b <pastebin url:default is 'http://pastebin.com'>
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 	-a <author:default is 'bugabundo'>
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 	-f <format of paste:default is 'text'>
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 	-r <parent posts ID:defaults to none>
[22:21] <BUGabundo> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132719/
[22:22] <dtchen> yes
[22:22] <dtchen> look at line 12
[22:22] <BUGabundo> it says sbin
[22:22] <dtchen> it says :sbin, which is obviously incorrect as a path
[22:22] <dtchen> it should be /sbin, not :sbin
[22:22] <BUGabundo> install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-ioctl32 ; :sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; }
[22:22] <dtchen> see above for bug reference
[22:22] <dtchen> look at the last ------> :sbin/modprobe
[22:23] <BUGabundo> I did purge and resinstall all audio and pulse last week
[22:23] <BUGabundo> should that be fix by then?
[22:23] <dtchen> that fix has not been uploaded yet
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:23] <BUGabundo> no /
[22:23] <BUGabundo> so adding manually fixes it?
[22:23] <dtchen> see the bug report; i only just fixed it
[22:23] <dtchen> it looks like scott accidentally used ':' instead of '/'
[22:24] <dtchen> but yes, you will need to still test the cold powercycle procedure
[22:29] <Laney> grr, heisenbug
[22:29] <yharrow> Anybody know how to get sound for SDL application?
[22:29] <yharrow> it seems to be broken for all SDL applications
[22:29] <yharrow> also flash has a different sound level that cant be controled from volume manager
[22:30] <virtuelv> wow. new skins were a welcome change from Human
[22:30] <Laney> holy!
[22:30] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: back
[22:30] <BUGabundo1> run put of battery
[22:30] <yharrow> virtuelv, new skins?
[22:30] <Laney> I'm actually getting new volume notifications
[22:30] <Laney> :D!
[22:30] <virtuelv> yharrow: s/skins/themes/
[22:30] <BUGabundo1> and NEW notifications didn't warn me
[22:30] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: typo fixed
[22:30] <yharrow> virtuelv, what is the default theme now?
[22:30] <BUGabundo1> now what?
[22:31] <virtuelv> yharrow: dunno what default is, but Dust, Dust Sand and New Wave are now available by default
[22:31] <virtuelv> and they actually look good
[22:32] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: did you try the remove-reboot test?
[22:33] <yharrow> virtuelv, im personally a fan of Miu and Impressionism, But anything is better than the old theme.
[22:33] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: humm no! is that from the bug report?
[22:34] <virtuelv> yharrow: I won't say "anything is better"
[22:34] <yharrow> virtuelv, eh. yeah. But Dust is better for sure.
[22:34] <virtuelv> Since 2005, I've never been able to use other themes for more than a couple of days at most, before reverting to Human
[22:35] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: no, i just described it above
[22:35] <BUGabundo1> didn't get it
[22:35] <BUGabundo1> I think
[22:35] <BUGabundo1> lost battery
[22:35] <dtchen> 18:17 < dtchen> sudo /alsa/sbin force-unload
[22:35] <dtchen> 18:17 < dtchen> sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[22:35] <dtchen> 18:17 < dtchen> then shutdown, wait 2 minutes, and power up
[22:35] <dtchen> 18:17 < dtchen> the cold powercycle is necessary to reset the codec
[22:35] <dtchen> i'm pretty sure you did; you asked why 2 mins
[22:36] <BUGabundo1> last line: (10:23:49 PM) dtchen: it looks like scott accidentally used ':' instead of '/'
[22:36] <BUGabundo1> ah that
[22:36] <BUGabundo1> ok will do
[22:36] <BUGabundo1> I did fix the typo too
[22:36] <yharrow> I know what you mean. I probably could have found a nice theme on gnome-looks, but was too much hassle for me.
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: "sudo: /alsa/sbin: command not found"
[22:37] <yharrow> And all the other included ones were terrible, or at best mediocre
[22:37] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: flip it
[22:37] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: /sbin/alsa
[22:37] <yharrow> Does anybody know how to make SDL sound work again?
[22:37] <yharrow> or is permanently broken
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> $ sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> HUUUUUUUU sound|
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> pidgin just pinged
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> KDE also just fired something
[22:38] <dtchen> yharrow: please describe what the symptoms are
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> warning me about audio device being removedd
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> and I'm on gnome
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[22:38] <dtchen> yharrow: do non-SDL apps give audible audio?
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: "  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices? "
[22:38] <virtuelv> yharrow: I just wish theme installation and removal was easier
[22:38] <yharrow> dtchen, running applications that utilize SDL, such as tremulous and warzone-2100 give no audible audio, whereas other types of applications do.
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> YES / NO ?
[22:39] <DanaG> For me, g-p-m still shows the OLD brightness UI.
[22:40] <dtchen> yharrow: is `pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2' audible?
[22:40] <yharrow> virtuelv, I find that theme installation is pretty painless. But 2 things bug me. 1. You can't double click a theme for installation. 2. If a theme with the same name is already installed, you get an error and no option to overwrite the old theme
[22:40] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: you probably don't want KDE to forget about those devices
[22:40] <yharrow> dtchen, no
[22:41] <yharrow> dtchen, no sound
[22:41] <dtchen> yharrow: ok, which apps have audible audio/
[22:42] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: too late! there they went!
[22:42] <yharrow> dtchen, Totem, Flash, System sounds
[22:42] <dtchen> yharrow: is GStreamer configured to use alsasink, autoaudiosink, or pulsesink?
[22:43] <yharrow> dtchen, I'm not sure. How would I find that out?
[22:43] <amortvigil> why isnt plymouth included already?
[22:44] <IntuitiveNipple> because we have no KMS
[22:44] <IntuitiveNipple> that comes with 2.6.29
[22:45] <dtchen> yharrow: gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
[22:45] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: KMS?
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> amortvigil: Kernel Mode Switch
[22:45] <dtchen> yharrow: also, gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink
[22:45] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: ahh ok because i did read there where plymout packages for jaunty
[22:45] <yharrow> dtchen, pulsesink
[22:46] <dtchen> yharrow: for which?
[22:46] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: when wil 2.6.29 come out?
[22:46] <yharrow> dtchen,  first command
[22:46] <IntuitiveNipple> amortvigil: Ask Linus :)
[22:46] <dtchen> yharrow: and for the second?
[22:46] <yharrow> dtchen,  if these settings can be set with sounds prefs they are all set to pulseaudio manually
[22:47] <yharrow> dtchen, second is pulsesink too
[22:47] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: well err why has fedora it if the kernel isnt out yet?
[22:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Redhat/Fedora have been the developers. They initially supported ATI cards and later have been working on the other xorg drivers for Intel, Nvidia, etc.
[22:48] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: so it isnt possible to convert them to ubuntu's needs easly?
[22:49] <dtchen> yharrow: they really should be set to autoaudiosink
[22:49] <dtchen> yharrow: but, i digress
[22:49] <IntuitiveNipple> We wait for upstream projects to release
[22:49] <dtchen> yharrow: is libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed?
[22:49] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: anything else before halt,pause, boot?
[22:49] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: no
[22:50] <BUGabundo1> ok
[22:50] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: oke, to bad i long for plymouth :P
[22:50] <BUGabundo1> see at the end of the tunnel
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> amortvigil: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzExOA
[22:50]  * BUGabundo1 reboots
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I long for the boot phase to be over as soon as possible.
[22:50] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: what is so special about jaunty?
[22:51] <IntuitiveNipple> special?
[22:51] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: i long for a boot that is over asap and is charming at the same time
[22:51] <yharrow> dtchen,  sorry for delays
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't want my PC to 'charm' me, I want it get a b****y move on:)
[22:52] <yharrow> dtchen,  was installed earlier but it didnt help so I put it back to libsdl1.2debian-all
[22:52] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: yea for what i can read its just hardy with a few updated programs
[22:52] <amortvigil> and a little faster boot
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> amortvigil: Isn't every release? That's the *point* of the release cycle
[22:52] <yharrow> dtchen, I dont remember If i rebooted after last time I installed that. so maybe I should try again?
[22:53] <dtchen> no need to reboot
[22:53] <yharrow> dtchen, /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart is good enough?
[22:53] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: well these programs we could installed before but things like plymouth and fasterboot things are regorous changes..
[22:53] <amortvigil> as far there is only one
[22:53] <amortvigil> sorry for my english
[22:53] <amortvigil> :)
[22:54] <dtchen> yharrow: no, you don't need to do that
[22:54] <yharrow> dtchen, should work immediately?
[22:54] <dtchen> yharrow: are you even using system-wide pulseaudio (i.e., did you change /etc/default/pulseaudio? you shouldn't have)
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I think you'll find there's been significant changes and improvements since Hardy, especially in the kernel.
[22:54] <dtchen> yharrow: you'd need to restart your SDL apps
[22:55] <yharrow> dtchen, PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0
[22:55] <yharrow> , DISALLOW_MODULE_LOADING=1
[22:55] <dtchen> yharrow: right, those are correct by default
[22:56] <yharrow> dtchen, starting sdl app
[22:56] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: well that i didnt know i tried to search the net but couldnt fine much
[22:56] <DanaG> ugh, stupid compiz on r300... it's all extremely laggy.
[22:56] <DanaG> Feels like 1 FPS.
[22:56] <nemo> heh
[22:56] <IntuitiveNipple> amortvigil: You've got to read the change-logs to get a real idea for the changes, I think
[22:56] <DanaG> But then if you trigger the "benchmark" plugin... it becomes un-laggy.
[22:56] <nemo> DanaG: some compiz stuff is more laggy than others
[22:57] <amortvigil> IntuitiveNipple: ok thanx
[22:57] <nemo> DanaG: I learned very quickly that opacity was bad times on the card here :)
[22:57] <DanaG> it's being pretty universally laggy... until I hit 'benchmark'
[22:57] <nemo> Intel 82865G
[22:57] <nemo> funny
[22:57] <nemo> DanaG: so. laggy even with minimal compiz plugs?
[22:57] <DanaG> I use wobbly and such, but no blur.
[22:58] <yharrow> dtchen, No sound on 2 SDL applications. If I had a 3rd app I'd test that too
[22:58] <DanaG> It becomes perfectly non-laggy as long as 'benchmark' is active.
[22:58] <yharrow> dtchen, pidgin has sound too btw
[22:59] <dtchen> yharrow: can you use pavucontrol to ensure that those apps don't have their respective sinks set something odd?
[22:59] <DanaG> Getting it wet (that is, 'water') also makes it non-laggy.
[22:59] <DanaG> ... but only as long as the water is on-screen.
[23:00] <nemo> DanaG: weird. maybe the lag is something repaint-ish?
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> vertical sync off?
[23:00] <nemo> DanaG: like, it isn't painting often enough, but benchmark/water force repeated paints?
[23:00] <DanaG> It's on, but no change from disabling vsync.
[23:00] <nemo> DanaG: maybe you have some config param "10fps" :)
[23:02] <DanaG> so, I can't quite figure out what's going on.
[23:03] <DanaG> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV3 0 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] [1002:5b60]
[23:03] <DanaG> 01:00.1 Display controller [03 0]: ATI Technologies Inc RV3 0 [Radeon X300SE] [1002:5b 0]
[23:03] <DanaG> ugh, stupid /exec loses letters.
[23:04] <yharrow> dtchen, it comes up as "ALSA plug-in [warzone2100]: ALSA Playback
[23:04] <DanaG> xorg log: http://pastebin.com/f31bc7ff8
[23:04] <dtchen> yharrow: ok, and now, do you have an ~/.asoundrc?
[23:04] <DanaG> odd... xorg is also using lots of CPU time.
[23:04] <dtchen> yharrow: if you do, mv it
[23:04] <yharrow> dtchen,  aaaaah, it was being sent to my second soundcard for some stranger reason
[23:05] <yharrow> dtchen, yes i made an .asoundrc
[23:05] <yharrow> dtchen, back it up?
[23:05] <nemo> DanaG: water effect uses a lot of CPU
[23:05] <dtchen> yharrow: due to a change to honour ~/.asoundrc, if you have invalid settings in ~/.asoundrc, you'll likely experience odd errors
[23:05] <nemo> DanaG: for the automata
[23:05] <DanaG> It's doing that even when idle with no water.
[23:05] <nemo> DanaG: since the ripples actually interact and aren't just simulated
[23:05] <nemo> ah
[23:06] <dtchen> yharrow: was your sink issue caused by ~/.asoundrc or just shown in pavucontrol?
[23:06] <DanaG> oh, and my terminal window with htop just went all corrupt.
[23:06] <nemo> yeep
[23:06] <nemo> DanaG: um. bad vid mem settings?
[23:06] <DanaG> and 1.81fps/.
[23:06] <nemo> DanaG: anything in dmesg/xorg log about "radeon went boom" ?
[23:06] <keepsake> Hey, anyone have any luck using VirtualBox PUEL with Jaunty?
[23:08] <yharrow> dtchen, for some reason some streams were being sent to one sound card and the other streams were being sent to another and I only saw this with pavu cause it shows individual streams
[23:08] <DanaG> I see "[drm] Used old pci detect: framebuffer loaded"
[23:08] <DanaG> but no major error messages.
[23:08] <dtchen> yharrow: ok, good
[23:08] <DanaG> Argh, goddamned metacity won't let go of compositing to let compiz start.
[23:09] <yharrow> dtchen, so i should delete my ~/.asoundrc anyways?
[23:09] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f39ae9c2
[23:10] <dtchen> yharrow: no need if it wasn't the culprit
[23:10] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[23:10] <yharrow> dtchen, ok, so how do we find out why SDL (Alsa emulated) streams show up on the second sound card
[23:10] <BUGabundo> did the changes, and halt, wait, boot
[23:10] <BUGabundo> tested sound: result: no sound
[23:11] <DanaG> ugh, water is being all slow and laggy too, now.
[23:12] <DanaG> odd, and n0ow windows seem to open completely empty.\
[23:13] <dtchen> yharrow: start a new SDL app
[23:13] <dtchen> yharrow: then we can see
[23:14] <BUGabundo> dtchen: only OSS works consistently
[23:14] <BUGabundo> very very strange
[23:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo: ok, so it's definitely something in your ~
[23:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo: let's see... do you have an ~/.asoundrc ?
[23:15] <yharrow> dtchen, trying to launch a second sdl app no
[23:15] <yharrow> now*
[23:15] <dtchen> yharrow: it needs to be a brand new SDL app (with sound) that you have not run before
[23:15] <DanaG> [    0.786917] (II) RADEON(0): [dri] Found DRI library version 1.3.0 and kernel module version 1.29.0
[23:15] <DanaG> [    0.786943] (==) RADEON(0): Page Flipping disabled
[23:15] <dtchen> yharrow: i.e., it needs to be a fresh entry in your ~/.pulse/* volume table
[23:16] <yharrow> dtchen, ya searching for one. I think frozen bubble is SDl
[23:16] <BUGabundo> dtchen: No
[23:16] <ghindo> Is there a way from me to upgrade straight from 8.04 to 9.04, or do I have to upgrade to 8.10 on the way?
[23:16] <DanaG> so, what's with that page flipping?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> dtchen: new user test time?
[23:18] <DanaG> oddly  enough, Tremulous works fine.
[23:18] <DanaG> ... under metacity, that is.
[23:18] <yharrow1> dtchen, ok , now how do you want me to monitor this app when i start it?
[23:18] <dtchen> BUGabundo: what do `gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink' and `gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink' return?
[23:19] <dtchen> yharrow1: using pavucontrol, see which sink the new app defaults to
[23:19] <BUGabundo> dtchen: humm is that right?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> I get a '>'
[23:19] <dtchen> BUGabundo: don't use the ` or '
[23:20] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i use those only to denote commands
[23:20] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:20] <dtchen> :q
[23:20] <BUGabundo> autoaudiosink
[23:20] <BUGabundo> on both
[23:20] <dtchen> err, sorry
[23:20]  * BUGabundo is sleepy
[23:21] <BUGabundo> dtchen: u could pretty well said sudo fdisk -R and ill do it
[23:21] <DanaG> So I don't get what's up with that video card.'
[23:22] <dtchen> BUGabundo: what's holding the sound devices open ATM?  (sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*)
[23:23] <dtchen> could everyone running GNOME please tell me the value of: echo $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID
[23:23] <crdlb> this-is-deprecated
[23:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132752/
[23:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo: surely there is more than just the pids?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> $ echo $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID this-is-deprecated
[23:25] <yharrow2> dtchen, perl: Simple DirectMediaLayer , still defaults to the second soundcard
[23:25] <BUGabundo> can't open my own pastebin
[23:25] <dtchen> yharrow2: excellent
[23:25] <dtchen> yharrow2: what is the default sink set to?
[23:25] <dtchen> (under Output Devices tab, i think)
[23:25] <DanaG> Any other ideas about that video card and compiz?
[23:26] <yharrow2> dtchen, hah! default was set to second sound card. but.... The volume control and pulse audio default devices differ.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> dtchen: bad pastebin
[23:26] <BUGabundo> doing new
[23:26] <dtchen> yharrow2: ah
[23:26] <dtchen> yharrow2: yes, that's precisely what i thought
[23:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132754/
[23:27] <dtchen> aha!
[23:28] <dtchen> well, you need to stop timidity
[23:28] <dtchen> sudo /etc/init.d/timidity stop
[23:28] <BUGabundo> what's that?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:28] <dtchen> also, edit /etc/default/timidity, and configure to not start on boot
[23:28] <yharrow2> dtchen, eh, still; have problems though
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ahh midi stuff
[23:29] <yharrow2> dtchen, erm, one minute testing sdl apps now
[23:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: removed and purged
[23:29] <BUGabundo> now what?
[23:30] <dtchen> BUGabundo: make sure it's not still running
[23:30] <BUGabundo> not there now
[23:30] <dtchen> BUGabundo: vi pgrep / ps aux ?
[23:31] <dtchen> s/vi/using/
[23:31] <dtchen> silly muscle memory
[23:32] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:32] <BUGabundo> noticed
[23:32] <yharrow2> dtchen, when i start up the sdl app i hear crackles and then when i exit i get these errors : AL lib: alSource.c:2291: alcDestroyContext(): 1 Source(s) NOT deleted
[23:32] <yharrow2> AL lib: alBuffer.c:1097: exit() 32 Buffer(s) NOT deleted
[23:32] <BUGabundo> dtchen: greping tim shows nothing
[23:32] <dtchen> BUGabundo: good, now killall pulseaudio
[23:32] <dtchen> BUGabundo: then use `speaker-test -c2'
[23:33] <BUGabundo> dtchen: no sound
[23:33] <BUGabundo> pa is auto spawning
[23:34] <BUGabundo> should I stop it?
[23:34] <yharrow2> dtchen, does pulseaudio remember device settings for each app?
[23:34] <dtchen> BUGabundo: use pavucontrol to verify that the correct default sink is used and that the volumes are unmuted and set to non-zero on each stream
[23:34] <dtchen> yharrow2: yes, but there's probably an upgrade bug
[23:35] <BUGabundo> dtchen: setting to Default
[23:35] <BUGabundo> it was Other
[23:35] <yharrow2> dtchen, any clue how to solve it?
[23:35] <dtchen> sigh
[23:35] <dtchen> it's this darned sink bug again
[23:35] <dtchen> yharrow2: yeah, i'll probably need to have you reproduce the bug by using a fresh install of 8.10, playing something, then dist-upgrading to 9.04
[23:35] <dtchen> BUGabundo: ^^^ too
[23:36] <BUGabundo> a few mutes too
[23:36] <dtchen> yharrow2: before and after the dist-upgrade, i'll need the contents of ~/.pulse tarred
[23:36] <BUGabundo> heck no! no new install and distupgrade
[23:36] <dtchen> BUGabundo: ^^^ too
[23:36] <BUGabundo> bahhhhhhhh
[23:36] <dtchen> BUGabundo: you don't *have* to
[23:36] <yharrow2> dtchen, i fresh installed with alpha 4 or something and it broke around alpha 5
[23:37] <yharrow2> dtchen, or maybe 6
[23:37] <dtchen> yharrow2: i wonder if you used the volume control to set the default sink at any point
[23:37] <dtchen> not pavucontrol but GNOME's
[23:38] <yharrow2> dtchen, in volume control you can only choose the current sink i think
[23:38] <dtchen> last i tried that, it didn't even work
[23:38] <yharrow2> dtchen, i dont see any option for default sink in gnome volume control. you jjut choose the dvice to control
[23:39] <BUGabundo> im using pav one
[23:39] <DanaG> antigrav: r300_vertprog.c:1402: build_program: Assertion `mesa_vp->Base.NumInstructions' failed.
[23:40] <yharrow2> dtchen, I need to figure out how to set the device settings for applications in pulseaudio, since one of my sdl games wont let me take my mouse out of the screen
[23:41] <dtchen> yharrow2: you can use pactl or pacmd
[23:41] <dtchen> the former isn't as featureful as the latter
[23:41] <dtchen> it can be more direct, however
[23:42] <yharrow2> dtchen, any clue what commands to use?
[23:43] <yharrow2> dtchen, thanks for all your help so far
[23:43] <dtchen> yharrow2: please see pactl(1) or use help within pacmd
[23:43] <yharrow2> dtchen, no problem. thanks again :)
[23:43] <DanaG> stupid r300.
[23:45] <yharrow2> dtchen, so pulseaudio keeps a list of settings per application right?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> dtchen: any thing else to finishing trash my system?
[23:45] <yharrow2> dtchen, just want to make sure I'm not looking for something that isnt there
[23:45] <DanaG> ugh, can't run Pipe Dream demo under wine under radeon.
[23:45] <dtchen> yharrow2: that's essentially correct.
[23:46] <dtchen> yharrow2: it changed between 0.9.14 and 0.9.15, however
[23:46] <DanaG> Claims no vertex/pixel shaders 2.0/2.0
[23:46] <DanaG> err:d3d:CheckTextureCapability Unhandled format=unrecognized
[23:46] <DanaG> fixme:d3d:debug_d3dformat Unrecognized 909201952 (as fourcc:  R16) WINED3DFORMAT!
[23:48] <yharrow2> dtchen, nevermind I managed to get my mouse to leave the screen. I'm good to go ^^. thanks a ton! I can;t beleive it was something as silly as default device xD
[23:48] <shaya> anyone have an idea why vlc is not working so well in januty?
[23:49] <shaya> seeming to not render text correctly
[23:49] <DanaG> fixme:d3d_caps:IWineD3DImpl_CheckDeviceFormatConversion (0x134f80)-> (STUB) (Adptr:0, DevType:(1,WINED3DDEVTYPE_HAL), SrcFmt:(21,WINED3DFMT_A8R8G8B8), TgtFmt:(22,WINED3DFMT_X8R8G8B8))
[23:49] <DanaG> text, as in subtitles?
[23:49] <shaya> no
[23:49] <shaya> as in menus
[23:49] <DanaG> For me, VLC has ALWAYS failed miserably at subtitles.  =þ
[23:49] <shaya> not subtitles
[23:49] <shaya> menus
[23:49] <BUGabundo> going to bed!
[23:49] <shaya> file explorer
[23:49] <shaya> every where one would see text in the app
[23:50] <yharrow2> dtchen, there is one more issue though. Flash seems to have a volume level that can't be controlled by Pulse master volume control
[23:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ill keep you posted!
[23:50] <dtchen> BUGabundo: ok
[23:51] <dtchen> yharrow2: hmm, do Flash apps appear in pavucontrol at all?
[23:51] <matrixblue> anyone in here uses the ATi Fire GL driver?
[23:51] <shaya> yes
[23:51] <shaya> Thinkpad T42p
[23:51] <shaya> matrixblue: that was aimed at you
[23:51] <yharrow2> dtchen, yup they do
[23:51] <matrixblue> I can't get the rendering method to work
[23:52] <shaya> is fglrx installed?
[23:52] <crdlb> shaya: you have a 9600?
[23:52] <dtchen> yharrow2: the Master volume control may not control the appropriate element
[23:52] <shaya> crdlb: firegl version of the 9600
[23:52] <shaya> if fglrx is installed, the kernel module will prevent the radeon drm from working
[23:52] <yharrow2> dtchen, oh.. ill check my button shortcuts
[23:52] <matrixblue> How do I install fglrx?
[23:52] <shaya> you cant install fglrx
[23:52] <shaya> it wont work yet with Xorg 1.6
[23:53] <matrixblue> okay
[23:53] <shaya> but for r300, the open source driver works
[23:53] <matrixblue> so install r300?
[23:55] <yharrow2> dtchen, ok this would be a bug with the gnome-keybinding-properties application then?
[23:55] <yharrow2> dtchen, it shows Volume Up and Volume Down are bound to the right keys, but I cant actually edit those commands
[23:56] <yharrow2> I can add a new command though
[23:56] <yharrow2> if I knew what the command was
[23:56] <dtchen> yharrow2: using System> Preferences> Sound>, what(which) mixer control(s) is(are) the volume keys bound to?
[23:56] <matrixblue> How do I install r300?
[23:57] <dtchen> Cycom: sorry, i'll need to rebuild again due to the abi bump (-11.34)
[23:58] <yharrow2> dtchen, lol! that was the problem XD thanks!
[23:58] <dtchen> yharrow2: np
[23:58] <dtchen> i wish it weren't so convoluted, but that'll have to wait for 9.10
[23:59] <shaya> matrixblue: r300 is a radeon chip
[23:59] <shaya> you dont install it
[23:59] <yharrow2> ok I have a graphics problem now if there are any experts out there
[23:59] <shaya> anyways off I go
[23:59] <yharrow2> when I press maximize on my windows they only fill half the screen