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CosmiChaosIntuitiveNipple: it frooze my boot :(( i tried in quiete mode: freezes at: installing spdif_bug patch: Audigy 2ZS (SB0350)00:01
CosmiChaosi tried Intrepid Live-CD that also freezes00:01
CosmiChaoscurrently i uninstalled my soundcard00:02
IntuitiveNipplewhat's that bug patch it refers to? maybe it conflicts with the newly fixed driver00:02
CosmiChaosdont know isnt that from the driver?00:03
CosmiChaospackage awesfx00:04
CosmiChaosIntuitiveNipple: should i remove that?00:04
CosmiChaosand try again?00:04
IntuitiveNipplehang on, I'm reading up on it00:05
CosmiChaosALSA emu10k1/2 patch loader i have this installed to (ld10k1/libld10k100:06
IntuitiveNippleIt still looks like this is the info on it: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/27aacb6d4c207621/9fdff964b932e592?lnk=raot00:06
CosmiChaosIntuitiveNipple: that looks exactly what ive got00:07
CosmiChaosbut im with 2.7.28-1000:08
CosmiChaosbut im with 2.6.28-1000:08
DanaG grr, damned sdhc reader totally breaks the partition table on the card, EVERY single time I suspend.00:09
CosmiChaosCheck "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" switch.00:09
CosmiChaosThis must be *off* to output from the analog jacks.00:09
CosmiChaosBut i havendt got a Switch, i just have the bulk card not the Platinum Edition00:10
Cycomdtchen: any updates?00:10
IntuitiveNippleMaybe that's part of the problem then?00:10
DanaGThat switch is a thing in alsamixer.00:10
IntuitiveNipplemaybe the patch or fix or combination are working against one another?00:10
CosmiChaosIntuitiveNipple: what do i do now?00:11
CosmiChaosDanaG: no its definetly not because we are talking abount detecting soundcards not alsasettings00:12
CosmiChaosalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device00:12
IntuitiveNippleWell, if it froze the system and you had to remove it to continue, something major is wrong. Without logs when it goes wrong I can't really help further.00:13
CosmiChaosas i said i removed kernel option quiet and that was the error on loading the module00:14
CosmiChaosinstalling spdif_bug patch: Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350)00:14
CosmiChaosand i said i have ld10k1 installed00:15
CosmiChaosis that this patch?00:15
m_tadeuI'm specifically typing /dev/md0 in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but then I get the raid in /dev/md_d0...why is that=00:17
DanaGugh, udev can't properly comprehend multiple partitions on an sdhc card.00:40
DanaG/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="SDHC_EXT4" UUID="8fc0f454-8772-4615-a7d1-d616e7d7a94f" TYPE="ext4"00:40
DanaG/dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="SDHC" UUID="5650-34AD" TYPE="vfat"00:40
DanaG/dev/mmcblk0: LABEL="SDHC_EXT4" UUID="8fc0f454-8772-4615-a7d1-d616e7d7a94f" TYPE="ext4"00:40
DanaGNote that it's calling mmcblk0 and mmcblk0p1 the same thing.  the former is the device, the latter is the first partition.00:40
dtchenCycom: which kernel are you running? (`cat /proc/version_signature')00:46
dtchenCycom: that will determine whether i need to rebuild (again)00:46
DanaGHeh, I do find it funny that I just plain can't use the fglrx driver.00:56
DanaGEven on Intrepid, the versions newer than 8.543 give a kernel panic.00:56
DanaG... and whenever AMD/ATI happens to release a fglrx for jaunty... I'm imagining that'll be just as broken, in the same way.00:56
sprocketsHi, anyone having an issue where sound at its highest level is not audible really.01:01
DanaGheh, playing DVDs in Totem leaves hideous interlacing.01:12
dtchenwhich backend?01:25
dtcheni always preferred GSt's picture, but it's rather hideous for navigation01:25
dtchenhence i always use Xine's01:26
DanaGProbably gstreamer, I think.01:26
DanaGyup.01:26
DanaGDoes navigation just fine in Jaunty, actually.01:26
dtchenthe GSt backend is rather broken for me :/01:29
bruce89GStreamer supports deinterlacing, it's pending Totem fixing it01:29
bruce89http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/DvdPlayback01:30
DanaGThat'll be cool to see.01:31
bruce89Well, resin is used by Totem now01:32
bruce89gst-inspect-0.10 rsndvdbin01:33
Volkodavanybody else has an issue adding sensors plugin in xfce to the panel ?02:18
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musikgoat|mainanyone know the release date in april for jaunty?  the 24th or 23rd?03:10
musikgoat|mainhas it been officially set yet?03:10
musikgoat|mainnvm, found it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule03:10
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calchmm... "The main difference between the ext4 and btrfs changes is that an fsync on any other file in ext4 will wait on the renamed file to hit disk, where it won't in btrfs."04:07
calcso btrfs will work better than ext4 in regards to this whole mess04:07
calcit sounds like btrfs might actually solve this problem properly if i understand what they are saying04:08
calcand won't need sync's to have safe renames :)04:09
Amaranthcalc: Sounds like me like fsync is actually not doing anything in butterfs04:19
* DanaG wants some toast.04:19
Amaranthcalc: And hopefully our kernel will get the 2.6.30 patches for ext4 to make renames safe04:20
Amaranthafter that anyone truncating a file and writing to it and complaining about losing the file can just be laughed at for not doing it right04:21
DanaGWhat was the not-doing-it-right issue?04:21
AmaranthDanaG: Truncating a file then writing the new contents of the file and expecting to never lose any data04:22
AmaranthBasically you tell the filesystem "make this file empty" then in a separate step "write this data to it"04:22
Amaranthguess what happens if the system crashes in the middle?04:22
DanaGI never ran into that issue... I run data=journal04:22
Amaranththat doesn't matter04:22
DanaGBut yeah, that is rather stupid behavior on the part of the app.04:23
DanaGIt's a non-atomic operation.04:23
AmaranthEven with data=journal you can lose a file there04:23
DanaGI must've just never noticed it, then.04:24
DanaGHere's a combination that would let me get rid of native Windows once and for all:04:25
DanaGOpenGL and power-management support in Radeon, and Direct3D->OpenGL translation in VirtualBox.04:25
DanaGWine isn't much of an option for me -- no surround sound.  Instead, I could hand a USB sound card to a VBox guest.04:25
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calcAmaranth: eh? it sounds like fsync works to me on btrfs but that it doesn't entangle the entire drives metadata by default04:29
Amaranthcalc: ext4 doesn't either, that's only ext3 in the default setup04:30
DanaGIsn't the btrfs on-disk format not yet stable?04:30
calcAmaranth: the rest of the post says that btrfs tracks transactions eg rename to make them atomic04:30
calcAmaranth: as opposed to how ext4 works by default, to make renames safe you have to to sync whole disk like ext304:31
Amaranthcalc: no you don't04:31
calcwhich is what the new ext4 patch does (from what i recall)04:31
calcbecause the metadata gets 'entangled'04:31
Amaranthcalc: You have to fsync the new file, do the rename, then fsync the directory04:31
calcAmaranth: btrfs works for rename case. -without- fsync04:32
calcAmaranth: which was what the original post i was quoting from was about04:32
Amaranthcalc: ext4 works for the rename case without fsync, as of the -10 kernel04:32
calcit doesn't have the entanglement issues and can track metadata cleanly without having to resort to syncing all files to disk like the new patch does to make non fsyncd renames safe on ext404:32
Amaranthbtrfs does the same tricks as those ext4 patches04:32
calcAmaranth: yes but to do that on ext4 they had to sync all data and metadata to disk on rename04:33
calcat least from what i read of that new patch04:33
Amaranthcalc: That can't be what it does, it is supposed to still be faster than ext304:33
AmaranthThat would not be faster than ext304:33
calcAmaranth: reread about the patch it, with it its not supposed to be much faster than ext3 anymore04:33
calcer the first it should not have been there04:33
* Amaranth stops reading tyso's blog posts at 2am04:34
calctytso 'restored' the ext3 behavior of writing all data to disk04:34
Amaranthbut ext3 didn't write all data to the disk unless you called fsync04:34
calcat least iirc, i might be getting confused04:34
Amaranthext3 didn't have this problem because it wrote data before metadata04:35
calcbut in any case btrfs files can exist in ram even after being renamed and not end up as 0 byte files04:35
AmaranthI thought ext4 made it write data before metadata for the rename case04:35
calcactually i may be wrong in that it might just be that renaming completely flushes the single file to disk, i've read so many posts now i am getting confused04:35
calcbut in any case renaming a file on btrfs is not supposed to force a physical disk write, but still not end up eating your data on crash since it does proper ordering04:36
calcwhich was where the entanglement issues with ext4 (whatever they end up being in reality) caused the immediate disk write for renames04:36
calcso btrfs should be higher performance and just as safe... once it is thoroughly debugged04:37
* calc wouldn't trust any of them for at least another year or two04:37
calcext3 for me :)04:37
* calc got burned by lovely xfs about a decade ago and has since stuck to reliable filesystems :) eg ones that everyone else use04:39
* Amaranth is using ext4 on his system04:40
* DanaG is, too.04:40
AmaranthEverything I care about is either backed up or a git repo pushed somewhere04:40
DanaGBoots damn fast, too.04:40
AmaranthPlus I don't have nvidia graphics04:40
AmaranthOnly thing I ever have to worry about is Xorg locking up when I unplug my USB mouse04:41
IntuitiveNippleI began work on an ext4 undelete tool over the weekend :)04:47
savvasand gnome is probably working on a gnome-vfs undelete tool :P04:48
AmaranthWhy would we want to undelete gnome-vfs04:49
savvasno, haha - I mean an undelete tool that works with gnome-vfs04:51
savvasyou know, something that would allow you to "undo changes"04:51
bruce89g_file_untrash?04:59
IntuitiveNippleext3grep does a good job; I'm extending it for ext4 and adding a few polishes to it05:01
DanaGgrr, damned filelight COMPLETELY ignores the "do not scan these directories" setting!05:29
DanaGI told it to scan my root partition... and it scanned EACH AND EVERY partition accessible to it... despite me excluding ALL of the others.05:29
DanaGStupid filelight.05:30
DanaGOh, and apparently the gnome devs think there's no such thing as something called a "file" -- because the disk-usage thingy, baobab, shows no files at all!05:31
DanaGHow ******* useless.05:31
bruce89http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45139305:34
ubottuGnome bug 451393 in baobab "option to show large files" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]05:34
bruce89DanaG: still, it's a bit harsh to say "the gnome devs" when it's only one program05:35
DanaGTrue enough.05:36
crdlbuh, I fail to see how that's a problem05:38
DanaGWell, take a look at /usr/share....05:38
DanaGHalf of it is in things like games/tremulous and just openoffice...05:38
DanaGthe other is... I don't have a friggin' clue, because it shows nothing.05:39
crdlbso?05:39
DanaGSo, it makes the tool useless for its stated purpose.05:39
crdlbit's really meant for /var and /home imho05:39
crdlbso you just want a list of the largest files in the system?05:40
bruce89I think a "largest files" view would be useful05:40
DanaGtry filelight, for comparison...05:40
DanaG.. but be prepared for it to completely ignore filesystem boundaries.05:40
bruce89left hand side could have a directory tab, and a file tab05:43
crdlbI don't feel like scanning /usr/share/ atm, but I don't really see what you'd use it for05:45
DanaGI'm trying to figure out whether I'd be able to fit all my stuff, sans the not-so-frequently-used music and such, in 80 gigs.05:47
DanaGhttp://alexpeak.com/ww/2008/015.html06:24
DanaGFor Þe Return of Þorn!\06:25
JanCDanaG: you discovered typography just 25 minutes ago?  ;)06:50
clarkeohi so i had an early version of jaunty insalled and decided to do a clean install of alpha 6 as i had dependency problems and it seemed to be a good idea at the time anyway so I did this forgetting that my home directory was encrypted...easy enough to do seeing its such a transparent process now! so any advice how to get back into my files?07:18
clarkeoto give a little more information I have a seperate root partition and /home partition when i reinstall i wipe the root partition keeping all my files and settings on the other partition07:35
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Hobbseeclarkeo: hit up kirkland for that08:45
Hobbseeclarkeo: (assuming he's not busy)08:45
Hobbseeclarkeo: oh, andhttp://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html and related08:47
Hobbseebah, that was 1.5 hours ago08:47
zashwhats up with compiz and xfce not beeing friends anymore?08:48
zashhttp://p.zash.se/UX2DTA.txt08:48
TuTUXG!compiz | zash08:50
ubottuzash: Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz-fusion08:50
zashTuTUXG: both metacity and xfwm4 works with compositing08:53
Hobbseezash: xwfm no longer exists, or?08:55
ablomenits xfwm408:55
ablomenthe command08:55
Hobbseewhich  xfwm4 outputs?08:56
clarkeoHobbsee thanks mate busy atm might try later08:56
zashHobbsee: symlinking /usr/bin/xfwm to xfwm4 doesn't help that much08:59
Hobbseezash: what happens after that?08:59
zashHobbsee: it just starts xfwm instead08:59
Hobbseeer, ok then?09:00
zashhttp://p.zash.se/7Ybg9Q.txt  Xorg.0.log: http://p.zash.se/D6dZXA.txt09:00
zashi got it working yesterday, but then i rebooted09:00
Hobbseewhich version of compiz are you using?09:01
Hobbsee(apt-cache policy compiz)09:01
zash  Installed: 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu409:02
Hobbseehrm.  I wonder why it's looking for stuff in /usr/local/bin09:03
Hobbseezash: i'd file a bug on compiz, saying that /usr/bin/xfwm no longer exists, and that it's xfwm4, and that it's looking for /usr/local/bin/compiz09:04
BUGabundoguud morning09:09
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BUGabundonautilus is crashing on me while moving files over SMB09:58
BUGabundoanyone else?09:58
scizzo-BUGabundo: no errors`??10:20
scizzo-BUGabundo: in dmesg or even if you start the nautilus browser in a terminal10:20
BUGabundoapport fired up10:20
BUGabundoguess I'll file a bug10:20
BUGabundoits reproducble too10:20
BUGabundocan some one comment on Bug 34306810:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 343068 in update-manager "update-manager not visible on UNR (dup-of: 332945)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34306810:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332945 in update-notifier "[Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33294510:26
BUGabundothe dupe... I can't help the user ... can't find the right key to show update-notifier10:26
norenhi all10:41
mnemotodays update uninstalled totem??? why??10:41
BUGabundomnemo: because you forced it???10:44
BUGabundonever force upgrades10:44
BUGabundounless you know what you are doing10:44
mnemoBUGabundo: ah ok10:49
m0RrEwhat's up with the ati drivers in jaunty?11:09
m0RrEjust upgraded my laptop from intrepid to jaunty and now i can't get the drivers to work11:10
BUGabundom0RrE: know porb11:11
BUGabundocheck LP for your bug11:11
m0RrEaight!11:12
peppohi. any Jaunty users with ATI mobile graphics? I'm going to try with a HD 3470. possible? has ATI released Catalyst drivers compatible with the XOrg version in Jaunty?11:26
m0RrEpeppo: no11:27
m0RrEi just fixed the same problem on my girfrien's laptop11:28
MamboKurthi there. my keyring service isnt running. how do i start it?11:28
mysticdarkhackpeppo, probably have to wait till catalyst 9.3 come out11:28
mysticdarkhackpeppo, which is tommorrow I hope11:29
peppomysticdarkhack, any news on when that will be? is there anything one can run in the meantime? the generic ati driver? vesa? the laptop is new, and I need to install some sort of OS on it11:29
peppoah, sublime11:29
mysticdarkhackpeppo, probably use vessa for now untill the release which isn't long unless you can wait 24hrs11:30
mysticdarkhackpeppo, I head that 9.3 will release tomorrow11:31
peppothat sounds good. I'm doing a jaunty install anyhow, upgrade to release ubuntu and catalyst drivers should be entirely possible, right?11:32
mysticdarkhackonce you do a fresh install, vessa take affect, and if you tried installing ati after fresh install, it won't work and will sent you to a black screen or error message11:34
mysticdarkhacklike I said, if u want to install jaunty, use vessa for the mean time untill 9.311:35
peppoyup, will do11:35
MamboKurthello, my problem is my keyring service doesn't start when i boot and i dont know how to start it manually. can somebody help me and give me the command?11:38
phjrhi folks, any idea what's happening with the GNOME updates? seems we're in the middle of 2.25->2.26 update12:09
krzdhiredgoon, totem doesn't play videos like .avi and .mpg but youtube videos via the youtube plugin. it just says: Disconnected: OK. vlc works fine. i'm using ubuntu jaunty x64. what can i do?12:16
krzd(the first word should mean hi (stupid autocomplete of xchat))12:17
peacekrzd: did youi install codecs?12:25
peacefor your 64 machine?12:25
krzdpeace: yes all gstreamer codecs, it all has worked until the last update yesterday12:27
peacemmm then wait for fixin12:27
peacehere on kubuntu 9.04 everything is working12:28
krzdbut what mens that error, even at google i can'T found anything about that12:28
krzdeven the update manger doesn't  send a message or show the tray icon when there are new updates12:46
kane77hi, has the artwork been already updated? (gnome theme)13:00
zniavresince gutsy yes ...13:02
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WolfyAU82anyone know how to setup a network between an Ubuntu 8.10 machine and a Windows XP machine from the linux side?13:33
ribosure, plug them into the same switch. done!13:39
danliiI just upgraded my laptop to Jaunty (x64 platform), and now Gnome won't start properly, I just get the wallpaper and nothing else. What has gone wrong? :)13:46
michaeldadmumdanlii: because jaunty is a development version13:49
danliimichaeldadmum: Yes, I know about that. It's not the first time I installed an unstable release of Debian or Ubuntu, but this is the first time I encountered actual problems.13:50
michaeldadmumdanlii: development version will break unexpectly at any time, any place.13:51
michaeldadmumdanlii: gnome is broken now. I have no problem because I use KDE.13:51
danliimichaeldadmum: OK, so it is in fact broken for everyone running Jaunty and not just me?13:52
michaeldadmumdanlii: I don't know because I use KDE.13:53
danliimichaeldadmum: Okay then, thank you for your valuable information which was of no use for me.13:54
michaeldadmumWhen I upgrade a Jaunty GNOME VM, there are some dependency hells.13:54
danliiAnyone else who has problems with gnome under jaunty or am I on my own?13:54
ali1234danlii: try the failsafe or create a new user profile13:55
ali1234no problems here13:55
danliiali1234: Did that, the problem is system-wide.13:55
gmiernicki_does jaunty include 2.6.29 or 2.6.28 for a kernel?13:55
ali12342.6.2813:55
danlii2.6.2813:56
gmiernicki_ahh, thanks13:56
gmiernicki_was just curious as 2.6.29 isnt even gold yet13:56
gmiernicki_and i knew they were talking about it13:56
jonpackardHello.. Is anybody else experiencing problems with the nvidia proprietary drivers after a recent update in jaunty? My PC at home is fine (uses geforce 8600GT) but my work PC is stuck with the nv driver (lost my second screen.. it's using geforce 7600GS).14:21
tmeixneris there a way on kubuntu to NOT be forced to enter your kwallet password each time your wireless connects after a reboot.14:24
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Q-FUNKhowdy!  is there a way to make nautilus (or gnome-volume-manager) automatically mount digital cameras to the desktop as mass storage?14:37
Q-FUNKööö.. to make it stop14:37
Q-FUNKI need this to go to gthumb, not to be mounted as mass media on the desktop14:37
Q-FUNKit's been broken since intrepid14:37
Q-FUNKthere used to be a bug open about this, supposedly fixed by un updated .desktop file shipped with gthumb, but it never fixed anything here.14:38
BUGabundoQ-FUNK: humm14:41
BUGabundohave you checked the Multimedia options?14:41
BUGabundoSystem->Pref->Prefered Aplications ?14:42
antoranzso.... at 2 AM (colombian time) you were discussing my problem with apt14:49
RainCTHi14:49
antoranznot cool14:49
RainCTIs there anyone else who can't boot with the latest kernel?14:49
antoranzso... what can I do with my apt segfault?14:50
IntuitiveNipple"can't boot" is a wide spectrum. Care to be more precise?14:51
RainCTIt gives an error message just after grub, but I forgot which one xD14:51
RainCTsomething with "unexpected or unrecognized ..."14:52
IntuitiveNippleBoot in Recovery mode so the splash screen doesn't get in the way, and then bug-report the error messages14:52
RainCTIntuitiveNipple: it doesn't get to the splash screen14:52
RainCTjust after grub when there's a line saying from what partition it is booting it shows the error14:52
IntuitiveNippleSo, a grub error possibly?14:53
RainCTpressing enter gets me back to grub and choosing another kernel it works14:53
IntuitiveNipplecan you catch a photo of it?14:53
IntuitiveNippleI used to use a DV camcorder to catch those kind of errors!14:53
RainCTheh14:53
Q-FUNKBUGabundo: yup.  didn't affect anything.14:54
Finnish_My wireless card is this: 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)15:03
Finnish_Previously it was working out of the box, now, within two days, it has stopped working, can't find any wireless networks15:04
zashawesome, OOo-calc cant open a file it created15:06
zashcrapffice 2k3 xml15:06
BUGabundoFinnish_: file bug15:07
Finnish_BUGabundo: ?15:07
RainCTYep, it's a grub error.. "Error 13: Invalid or unspported executable format"15:09
RainCTmenu.lst looks fine, though15:09
RainCT(I'm using ext4, btw)15:10
eternal_pmorning all...any one have tips on getting proper battery life from jaunty...15:12
eternal_pI am getting 2.5 hours when on Windows 7, I was getting 4.515:12
BUGabundoeternal_p: not really15:18
BUGabundoyou can reduce LCD bright15:18
BUGabundoor increase the amount of disk writes15:18
BUGabundoturn bt or wifi off15:18
geniicpu stepping, etc15:20
BUGabundodon't!!!15:20
BUGabundoplease DON'T15:20
BUGabundoor ill tell mjg59 on you15:21
BUGabundoeheh15:21
BUGabundoCPU state "should" be dealt by kernel15:21
BUGabundoand not userspace15:21
BUGabundoat least that's the believe of powermanager gurus15:21
geniiBUGabundo: Whats cpufreqd for then? ;)15:22
BUGabundodo be used internally ?15:22
BUGabundolol15:22
BUGabundohttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/ go read the arquive please15:23
* genii reads15:23
DanaGeternal_p: if you have an ATI card, it may just be the lack of power management in the open-source drier.15:23
DanaGdriver.15:23
riboneeds more snuggle sheets15:24
eternal_pDanaG: nope, nVidia15:24
dimitreeHello15:28
keepsakeHey again.15:28
dimitreehi there, i just installed it and it seams to work much much faster15:29
keepsakedimitree: I'm in process of installing it right now, installing 8.10 right now.15:29
dimitreekeepsake: why do you install 8.10 ?15:30
keepsakedimitree: I had 8.04, so the only half-decent way I could've gotten to 9.04 was to go 8.10 first.15:31
dimitreekeepsake: oh i see i though we had a misunderstanding or something :)15:31
riboor just install from the 9.04 iso...?15:31
keepsakeribo: Isn't it easier to just upgrade by the normal path using upgrade manager?15:32
riboif you're re-installing anyway? no15:32
riboat least you can use fully-fucntional ext415:32
dimitreeanyone using Kaffeine ? Is the package in the repo the one that has support for DVB-S2 ?15:33
keepsakeribo: I'm hoping to keep my files though, I have a bunch of apps and such installed with my 8.04 right now.15:33
riboah15:33
ribothen yes, upgrade15:33
keepsakeribo: Yeah, about 2 minutes before 8.10 finishes, then going 9.04.15:33
dimitreeribo why the desktop theme doesn't look like the login screen haha15:34
dimitreethe login screen is so cool :)15:34
riboheh15:34
_r00t-hello. i have ubuntu 9.04 alpha6 installed under ext4 fs and my problem is that sometimes when i'm trying to upgrade my system via apt-get dist-upgrade i'm getting a kernel lock... is that a ext4 issue ?15:35
tretleI heard that themes like glider are being taken out of the default themes installed on jaunty15:35
keepsake_r00t-: That may be a problem since you're using the Alpha version.15:35
tretleI have seen some changelog entries regarding this and was wondering whether there is a way of removing them without doing a fresh install of jaunty?15:36
_r00t-keepsake, yeah sure but i just wanna know if it's a ext4 problem or something else15:36
ribo_r00t-: I am running on ext4 and have had no problems15:36
eternal_p_r00t- are you doing sudo apt-get or just apt-get ?15:37
_r00t-just apt-get15:37
_r00t-asroot15:37
_r00t-as root15:37
eternal_ptry a sudo apt-get from a non-root account, but I am running ext4 with zero issues15:37
ribosudo should not make a difference..15:38
_r00t-i think the lock up happens under high cpu load15:38
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cumulus007There is a bug in usb-creator15:52
cumulus007all message dialogs are stretched up15:52
antoranzwhen is the fix for kde's back screen coming out for jaunty?15:52
antoranzI saw someone who got it from the experimental branches15:53
antoranzblacn screen, I mean15:53
cumulus007http://imagebin.ca/view/PddPUk.html15:53
antoranzoh hell.... you get it15:53
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/343602 -- neon?  thumbee?15:55
ubottuUbuntu bug 343602 in linux "NEON and THUMBEE hwcaps" [High,Fix released]15:55
BUGabundokeepsake: isn't it supposed to jump directly to jaunty? since hardy it should be possible15:58
BUGabundowithout going for every version15:58
keepsakeBUGabundo: I don't think so; If you want to use update-manager, you need to go through the ladder.15:59
dimitreebash: ./configure: No such file or directory      any idea why ?15:59
BUGabundokeepsake: update-manager -d ?15:59
keepsakeBUGabundo: That's what I'm using.15:59
BUGabundo-d should go to devel branch16:00
BUGabundoand jump stabel16:00
BUGabundo*stable16:00
BUGabundomvo_: ping16:00
BUGabundomvo you around? can you clear this question?16:00
BUGabundolet me jump on devel and see if I get any feed back16:01
keepsakeBUGabundo: Okay.16:01
joaopintodimitree, you are probably on the wrong dir16:03
BUGabundo(04:03:37 PM) pitti: BUGabundo: LTS->LTS only, or going through all intermediate releases16:06
keepsakeAh, okay, that clears things up.16:07
maxbIt's never been a supported upgrade path to do anything other that release->release+1 or LTS->LTS+116:08
keepsakemaxb: I'm aware of that. I'm on 8.10 now, doing the 9.04 a6 upgrade.16:08
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FiveAcresI have the missing window decorations problem.  Do I need to log this as a bug?16:17
dimitreehow to get libdvdcss and win32 codecs ? I have a DVB-S card ?16:23
charlie-tca!medibuntu16:23
ubottumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org16:24
charlie-tcadimitree: add medibuntu repository16:24
dimitreeok thank you !!!16:24
khakanecould someone help me get sound working on VLC?16:30
dimitreewill changes in asla.base work in 9.04 ?16:33
dimitreei apply a dirty fix in asla.base to get surround sound on ALC888 with "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack-6ch"16:34
khakanei just cant get any sound in vlcc16:36
khakaneargh this is bullshit why does linux need 30 sound streamers and audio engines16:38
syockit30?16:38
riboto frustrate only you, khakane16:38
syockitfor one, a 'one engine to solve it all' sound engine still doesn't exist16:40
khakaneyea but i mean, i got everything else using sound just fine16:40
khakanevlc just refuses16:40
khakanesound has stopped working in firefox now as well. .great16:41
ribois pulseaudio pegging your CPU ?16:41
syockittime to restart pulseaudio16:42
khakanei dont think it is16:42
riboit's a bug, it's been fixed, apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot16:42
khakanenah my load is low using amarok16:42
khakaneim all the way up to date16:42
ribobummer16:44
riboI guess that's why it's alpha :D16:44
khakaneweird, removed pulseaudio16:44
khakaneamarok still works16:44
khakanenothing else does still16:44
ribomaybe that's part of your problem16:45
khakane?16:45
syockitthen probably amarok's eating it up16:45
syockitlsof /dev/snd/*16:45
ribo^16:45
khakaneCOMMAND    PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME16:45
khakaneknotify4  3914    k  mem    CHR  116,4      5463 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p16:45
khakaneknotify4  3914    k   12r   CHR  116,2      5229 /dev/snd/timer16:45
khakaneknotify4  3914    k   13u   CHR  116,4      5463 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p16:45
khakanepulseaudi 3945    k   24u   CHR  116,6      5499 /dev/snd/controlC016:45
khakanekmix      3954    k   10u   CHR  116,6      5499 /dev/snd/controlC016:45
khakaneits still running....16:45
geniigah16:45
ikoniakhakane: use a pastebin16:46
syockiti thought amarok's playing nicely with pulse last time I tried16:46
keepsake!paste16:46
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)16:46
khakanedont tell me how to use irc16:46
khakanesyockit: amarok seems to be sure, nothing else wants to16:46
syockitsince you removed pulseaudio, i dunno any other way to stop it other than killing it16:47
khakanei killed it16:47
ikoniakhakane: calm down16:48
ikoniakhakane: please - it makes it easier for people to follow if you use the pastebin16:48
syockitvlc should have sdlib, try using that16:48
yeasonI just installed and cannot get network. I've tried running dhclient and it just seems to time out. setting static IP's is also unsuccessful. Any ideas?16:55
geniiput in a card which has a known included module?16:57
yeasonhmm... I would if I could find one... lol... any suggestions for my currenty hardware?16:58
geniiyeason: What does lspci report as the ethernet controller make/model ?16:59
cwillusomebody see if you can dupe this:  close firefox completely, and then reopen it.  in the url bar, type in a piece of some address you know you've got in your history.  Does the urlbar show up?  Then, click on the urlbar arrow, select an entry, and then type in that same piece:  does it work now?16:59
cwillu(same piece==the piece you typed in the first time)17:00
yeasonnvidia corp MCP51 Ethernet Controller17:01
ikoniaprobably not supported by forcedeath17:02
yeasonhmm.... so what do I need to do to get it to work17:03
ikoniaas there an nvidia binary package ?17:04
yeasonit looks like I already have any relevant nvidia drivers17:07
ikoniawhat makes you think that ?17:07
BUGabundoFiveAcres: I have!! for ever!! filed bug.... no comment yet17:09
yeasonI searched the apt-cache and the only nvidia entry that seemed applicable I already have, and if i check their website they say to use forcedeth.c17:09
ikoniayeason: they are not in the repos17:10
yeasonok... I also checked nvidia's website which says to use the forcedeth driver... if not that what drivers are you talking about?17:11
lucypherHi, is it normal that update-manager isn't visible when updates are available???17:12
gnomefreakwe dont package those AKAIK but i havent looked too deep into those drivers17:12
gnomefreaklucypher: it checks every 2 days or so now run updates from terminal and see if it helps. i dont recall what finial work on notification crap now17:13
* gnomefreak not here17:13
charlie-tcacwillu: I seem to be having no issues with that.17:15
r0ttyanyone know how to get the new notification system woking on 9.0417:21
nemoIf an ibex update says it is keeping back linux-generic - is that because I'm using some different kernel?17:21
charlie-tcanemo: that belongs in #ubuntu, but normally a linux-generic held back is because not everything is there for the complete update yet17:23
nemocharlie-tca: er. my bad. "jaunty"17:24
nemosorry17:24
nemolosing track17:24
nemolast time I was in ubuntu+1 was for ibex :)17:25
charlie-tcayeah, it changes fast here... same answer though,17:25
nemocharlie-tca: I know once it was because I was on a different kernel. just couldn't recall which it was - result, I missed a bunch of updates17:25
charlie-tcaSometimes that will do it, too.17:26
nemokeeping back brasero, linux-generic*, ubuntu-desktop17:27
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gnomefreakkernels are not held back i just did second round of 2.6.28-10 kernels today17:35
ikoniaI thought one was currently held back ?17:36
vadi2Hi, there seems to be a broken package in jaunty17:38
tsutherehlo all17:38
vadi2Is it still fixable or is it too late?17:39
tsutherafter recent updates, nm-applet no longer works with KDE 4.217:39
tsutheranyone else having this problem?17:39
tsutherwell, it actually works, but it can't access the gnome-keyring17:39
tsutherThe name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files17:40
yofelvadi2: file a bugreport on launchpad17:40
vadi2yeah but... want to know, will the fix be available on jaunty or wait half a year? (wondering if I should package in the ppa or no)17:41
nemoI have more serious problems than that17:42
nemothat last lockup that this machine did, happened while updating. I have a number of blank files (like libgtkmm)17:42
nemoand general errors in reinstalling due to this or that key config file not being readable17:42
nemolike libvte917:42
vadi2gogo ext4 :)17:42
nemo*sigh*17:42
nemoyeah, yeah :)17:43
nemoso glad this is just a test laptop17:43
BUGabundohumm stupid offer: don't crash the machine! LOL17:43
BUGabundoor use $ sync17:43
BUGabundowhen crash is expected17:43
nemoBUGabundo: I tried magic sysrq sync after it locked up17:43
nemobut it didn't respond17:44
vadi2yofel: also, where exactly? the offending package has been tagged17:44
nemo(just like the last time it had locked up)17:44
nemoBUGabundo: so either magic sysrq is not enabled, or it was locked up *bad*17:44
marijusanyone experimenting with kms here?17:44
nemoBUGabundo: and of course "sync" is going to be totally useless if it locks up *while* updating :-p17:44
BUGabundoyes17:45
marijusBUGabundo: did you get compiz to work?17:45
BUGabundoyep17:45
BUGabundousing it now!17:45
BUGabundojust need to refresh compiz EVERY time I boot17:45
BUGabundoor it crashs17:45
marijusBUGabundo: how refresh?17:46
BUGabundo$ compiz --refresh17:46
BUGabundothat's one of the reasons why I always have a blank tty open17:46
marijusyou mean --replace ?17:46
BUGabundoor you can aslo use fusion-icon and hope it doesn't get overlaped17:47
BUGabundomarijus: no! that to apply it17:47
BUGabundonot to refresh if the --replace doesn't work 100%17:47
BUGabundoand you are left in the middle17:47
marijusbut i cant even start it...17:47
marijusit crashes x17:48
josh-lhey folks, gotta pretty serious problem here, running Kubuntu Jaunty, I can't shutdown, or reboot, when I try I eventually get to a screen with "Will now halt *" and then I have to ctrl+alt+del out of that.17:48
josh-lhelp?17:50
charlie-tcajosh-l: will now halt is shutdown without power off. Try adding acpi=force to the kernal line and see if that helps17:51
josh-lcharlie-tca: to grub menu.lst ?17:52
charlie-tcaoops, not shut down yet.17:52
josh-lhuh?17:52
charlie-tcayes, but you could just hit escape and andd it to the kernel line when starting to see if it works17:52
josh-lokay17:53
charlie-tcaMine follows will now halt with "system halted" then I have to power it off with the power button17:53
BUGabundomarijus: file a bug against compiz and add your .xsession-errors17:53
Brinstaris it advisable to run this partial upgrade that has appeared on UM?17:55
marijusBUGabundo: there is no errors in xsession-errors17:55
nemoyay. back to a desktop17:55
Brinstarit looks like more than a usual set of patches17:56
nemoand update-manager is replacing like 30 packages17:56
nemohad a bunch of libraries with 0 byte sizes17:56
Brinstarnemo:  u ran the partial update?17:56
nemowonder if there's a way to forcibly reinstall any package touched in last day or 217:56
nemoBrinstar: was that a bad idea? :-/17:56
Brinstari dunno, thats why im asking :P17:57
nemoBrinstar: main issue for me was my system having locked up during upgrade, erasing a bunch of stuff17:57
Brinstarohhh17:57
nemoI'm on ext4, which could be the problem17:57
Brinstarscary17:57
Brinstarme too :O17:57
mnemonemo: have a look at /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was recently installed or updated (grep in that file for date etc)17:57
nemomnemo: yeah. that's an idea17:57
nemomnemo: but I'm also concerned about files that might have just been screwed up, even though they weren't directly involved17:58
Brinstarhmm thats wht im worried about17:58
mnemonemo: you've heard about ext4 0 byte size issues in general right? the long delay until write etc?17:58
mnemoted tso wrote a long comment about it in launchpad etc17:59
Brinstaris it true that its a 30 sec delay in some cases?17:59
BUGabundoBrinstar: NO. partial is NEVER advised17:59
marijusBUGabundo: also - with metacity - running glxgears the picture is very odd...17:59
BrinstarBUGabundo: may i ask why?17:59
mnemoBrinstar: its often longer17:59
mnemothere was a patch queued for 2.6.30 to fix it for some specific usecases17:59
Brinstarmnemo: argh17:59
BUGabundonemo: 0bytes and ext4 are most certanly related17:59
BrinstarBUGabundo: so why are they releasing something like this?18:00
BUGabundoBrinstar: you will ended up with incomplete installs or packages removed18:00
Brinstarhmm ok18:00
mnemoBrinstar: to understand the ext4 issue deeply, read this excellent comment by ted --> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/4518:00
BUGabundoon Stable release it shouldn't happen as much18:00
ubottuUbuntu bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Fix released]18:00
Brinstarreading it now mnemo18:01
BUGabundoon devel its quite common cause packages are still beaing built18:01
Brinstari see18:02
Brinstari might just do it out of curiousity i.e. partial upgrade :)18:02
Brinstar'Curiousity overcomes fear far more often than bravery does'18:03
josh-lI still can't reboot, or shutdown, I tried adding acpi=force to kernel line, and still system stops at either "* will now halt" or "*will now restart"18:07
josh-lhelp18:07
BUGabundoBrinstar: just don't came here telling everything is broken!18:08
Brinstarlol i will do just that :P18:08
BUGabundojosh-l: any BIOS upgrade available?18:08
josh-lBUGabundo: no its pretty up to date18:09
josh-li have the latest18:10
nemomnemo: frankly, I don't have a problem with that behaviour18:10
nemomnemo: my problem was (1) system locking up  (2) system ignoring magic sysrq sync18:10
josh-lBUGabundo am I going to have to go back to Intrepid?18:10
nemomnemo: apart from that I've always been careful with sync and unmount.18:10
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nemoheck. one of my buddies back 10y ago had a nervous twitch of the early adopter - he'd reflexively type sync as often as some folks hit ctrl-l or clear :)18:11
nemoI'm not quite that bad, but...18:11
mnemoheh :)18:12
nemohm. now how to reinstall libglibmm when the package install keeps aborting...18:12
nemonot even any point in reporting it. is unique to my unfortunate situation.18:12
nemoscrewit. I have no idea what is broken. it may be a waste of bandwidth due to possibly uncached things, but I'm going to reinstall everything.18:15
edgyHi, I am getting Errors were encountered while processing:18:21
edgy linux-image-2.6.28-10-generic18:21
edgyall of you encounter this when update?18:21
riboI did not18:21
keepsakeNot here.18:22
keepsakeAlso, no real noticible change after upgrade to 9.04.18:22
edgystrange18:22
edgyso how can I get around it?18:22
keepsakeWeird, 2.6.28-10?18:23
keepsakeI'm running 2.6.24-1918:23
maxbYou need to tell people about the actual error you got, not the summary at the end which just said there was an error.18:23
maxbkeepsake: What is weird about that?18:23
ribokeepsake: then you're not completely on 9.0418:23
keepsakeribo: After update-manager -d, do I still need to apt-get dist-update?18:24
keepsakeOr?18:24
maxb2.6.24-19 is a hardy kernel18:24
ribohave you ever edited your /boot/grub/menu.lst?18:24
edgymaxb: you are right, ...18:24
keepsakeribo: Not yet =S18:24
keepsakeribo: You mean before? Yes.18:25
ribothat's probably why18:25
riboit won't fix it if you've changed it18:25
keepsakeribo: What do I do to get around it and get Jaunty's kernel?18:25
ribodist-upgrade might ask about the changed18:25
ribo*changes18:25
keepsakeOkay, thanks.18:25
keepsakeI'll try.18:25
maxbkeepsake: dpkg -l | fgrep linux-image ... do you have a 2.6.28 kernel installed at all?18:25
keepsakeI'll pastebin, one sec.18:26
edgymaxb: actually there isn't more details but now I tried -f dist-upgrade and really have detailed error at http://pastebin.ca/136358918:26
charlie-tcakeepsake: even hardy is up to .6.24-2318:26
keepsakehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/132613/18:27
keepsakeI have all of those18:27
keepsakeOr so the output would say.18:27
maxbedgy: Have you somehow uninstalled grub?18:28
keepsakeNot 100% sure what the ii and rc mean18:29
maxbii is "Installation desired, Installed", rc is "Removal desired, config-files remain"18:30
keepsakemaxb: How can I fix my kernel version?18:30
maxbthere's a key at the top of dpkg -l output18:30
MTecknologybroken :) ... :P18:30
maxbkeepsake: You have linux-image-2.6.28-10-generic installed, so you just need to boot it18:31
keepsakemaxb: How do I boot it? Do I edit my boot file?18:31
edgymaxb: you are wonderful. I don't know how you guessed that but one of the updates asked me to install lilo (to my surprise!) and I said yes, now I installed grub and it works18:31
maxbkeepsake: /boot/grub/menu.lst18:31
keepsakemaxb: Yeah, okay, thanks =)18:32
edgymaxb: really, how did you guessed it from that error?18:32
maxbedgy: eek. You don't want to switch between bootloaders without a lot of care18:32
maxbedgy: "Could not find postinst hook script [update-grub]."18:32
edgymaxb: really thanks for helping18:32
keepsakemaxb: Is there a utility that can be used to edit it for me?18:32
maxbno. You said earlier you'd edited it before18:33
keepsakeI did, but that's only to fix my Windows boot.18:33
keepsakeI didn't touch the Ubuntu sections18:33
maxbhmm18:34
maxbpastebin the entire file if you like18:34
edgymaxb: you seems so professional so allow me to ask for more please. I cannot connect to my wlan at work, and when I try manual scan I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/132593/  These IE: Unknows are strange to me and the encryption type is not mentioned, any idea?18:34
keepsakemaxb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132618/.18:34
maxbedgy: Sorry, wireless is not a particular area of expertise for me18:34
keepsakeI'd change it myself, but I'm not sure what the root=UUID... should be.18:35
edgymaxb: np, may be some one else can help me on this18:35
maxbkeepsake: hmm.. you don't have the 2.6.28 kernel in the file at all18:35
keepsakemaxb: Yeah, although the other command showed I have 2.6.28 installed...18:36
keepsake=S18:36
maxbPlease pastebin your /etc/kernel-img.conf18:36
keepsakewill do, one sec18:36
keepsakehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132619/18:37
maxbwell that's weird18:37
maxbthe hook entries that are supposed to run update-grub are there18:37
keepsakeI think it's mostly likely because18:37
maxbTry running update-grub (as root) and see if it detects the 2.6.28 kernel and writes it into the menu.lst18:37
keepsakeduring the 9.04 installation I opted to keep my menu.lst18:38
keepsakeOkay, one second.18:38
keepsakeChecking updated menu.lst...18:38
edgymaxb: I am afraid if I booted my PC I may find a problem, do you think so?18:38
maxbedgy: Possible... do you know for certain what you were using before, grub or lilo?18:38
edgymaxb: it's grub menu that I see even if grub is removed somehow but can't explain that18:39
keepsakemaxb: It detected my 2.6.28-10 but didn't change menu.lst: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/132621/18:39
maxbkeepsake: um. bizarre.18:40
maxbthat makes no sense.18:40
nemo*sigh* I hate wasting mirror bandwidth18:40
nemoI'm going to have to give another donation in thanks for the 600 megs of b/w I just burned through18:41
maxbAre you absolutely sure there's no mention of 2.6.28 in /boot/grub/menu.lst after that last command?18:41
keepsakemaxb: Ah, there we go, I fixed it.18:41
eMaXhi all18:41
keepsakemaxb: I renamed old menu.lst and had update-grub make a new one, and this worked. I'll copy old settings back.18:41
eMaXjaunty 64 bit acroread doesn't work / hangs. if you have that problem, use --sync in front of the filename18:41
maxbedgy: Right... well, if all that happened is that you installed lilo removing grub, and then installed grub removing lilo, I *think* you're *probably* ok18:42
edgymaxb: ok thanks a lot again18:42
eternal_peMaX: nice, any idea what that does to cause it to crash18:42
eMaXI have no idea18:43
keepsakemaxb: Thanks for your help, going to reboot to load 2.6.28-1018:43
eMaXI renamed /usr/bin/acroread to acroread.bin and added a script that puts the parameter in front18:43
eMaXalso whatever you do, never install ttf-oriya-fonts18:44
eMaXparticularly not if you use wine or codeweavers18:44
eMaX:)18:44
eMaXit crashes office 2007 severely whenever you have something with a .wmf inside. hard to find thing.18:44
MTecknologyI think something is broken - http://paste.ubuntu.com/132624/18:44
eMaXMTecknology, lol18:45
eMaXyou're going to have more diskspace though18:45
MTecknologyeMaX: :P...18:45
MTecknologyeMaX: I saw this happen once in 8.10 in dev stage - lost my whole system since I didn't know what was going on18:46
MTecknologyany suggestiong for the fix?18:46
eMaXwell I just did an update and that did not want to uninstall the whole system. no, no fix here. did you just apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?18:46
MTecknologythat works fine18:47
MTecknologyi noticed this when I tried to install totem18:47
eMaXwhat's the point in using aptitude -f18:47
eMaXok I haven't that - I'm using mplayer etc. from medibuntu18:47
eMaXanyway good luck I need to make some food or else my wife's going to eat me.18:47
MTecknologyeMaX: install -f is for fix18:48
keepsakeHmm, 2.6.28-10 loaded now18:48
MTecknologyAggressively try to fix broken packages.18:48
keepsakemaxb: If you're still there, do you think I should "upgrade" to EXT4, or stick with EXT3?18:49
maxbIf you're not sure, you should be sticking with ext318:49
MTecknologymaxb: any suggestions for me?18:49
keepsakemaxb: I want to use ext4, but I'm just not sure of the steps to take.18:49
eMaXkeepsake, stick with ext3 or else read the current thread somewhere about killing small files18:49
eMaXbbl18:49
keepsakeeMaX: Killing small files? I'll take a look.18:50
maxbkeepsake: Think of it as a challenge - if you can't track down the information on how to upgrade yourself, ext4 isn't ready enough for you yet :-)18:50
keepsakemaxb: I'm on it =P18:51
maxbMTecknology: egads that's uhm... "impressive". How did you manage that/18:51
maxb*?18:51
keepsakemaxb: And by the way, are there supposed to be no restricted drivers? Or is there a setting that got reset?18:51
MTecknologyegads?/18:52
maxbexpression of surprise18:52
maxbkeepsake: no restricted drivers? What do you mean precisely?18:52
keepsakemaxb: The "Hardware Drivers" option returns an empty window.18:53
MTecknologymaxb: I think I perhaps fixed it :)18:53
MTecknologydloading 170MB18:54
maxbkeepsake: that will only show ones relevant to detected hardware18:54
keepsakemaxb: There used to be drivers for my graphics card though, or is it just because there isn't fglrx for Jaunty yet?18:54
keepsakeeMaX: When you talked about killing small files, do you mean data loss?18:55
maxbkeepsake: There is no fglrx for Jaunty yet. AMD are being annoyingly slow18:55
MTecknologymaxb: ok... it's not fixed... but better18:55
maxbkeepsake: Also, unless your card is very new, there may never be a compatible fglrx :-/18:55
maxbThere is news on some forums that they are dropping support for all but R600/700 series18:56
keepsakemaxb: My card isn't really old, but it's not really new either =\18:58
keepsakemaxb: There used to be compatible fglrx in 8.04 =P18:58
maxbThe Mobility FireGL V5200 in my laptop is R500 :-(18:58
maxbFortunately the opensource radeon driver in jaunty is giving me decent compiz and DVD playback so I'm happy18:59
keepsakemaxb: So if the issue with ext4 is delayed allocation, would changing the "VM tuning parameters" make up for the problems?18:59
MTecknologymaxb: it looks like this might be a bug in aptitude18:59
maxbkeepsake: No idea. My advice on ext4 is that if you're unsure, don't yet.19:00
keepsakemaxb: Okay, thanks.19:01
keepsakemaxb: Seeing as you're at least pretty experienced with Linux, is having a VM for Windows a good idea?19:02
MTecknologykeepsake: right now the software that uses it can cause issues w/ syncs and you lose data19:02
keepsakeMTecknology: I see, thanks. Maybe I'll use ext4 when Jaunty is released.19:02
maxbkeepsake: That would depend on whether you care in the slightest about Windows any more :-)  I don't. I've made my escape completely :-)19:02
antoranzguys... do you know when the kde blank screen bug correction will be out for mortal jaunty users?19:03
keepsakemaxb: =P I wished I could escape to Linux, but there are certain programs that refuse to run properly in Wine and such that I need for school.19:03
antoranzkeepsake: did you try virtualization?19:03
keepsakeantoranz: That's what I'm looking into right now; more specifically, VirtualBox.19:05
antoranzk19:05
eternal_pkeepsake: when it comes to your hardware drives, yuo need to run update manager first, get updated then reboot then run it19:07
MTecknologylol - apt wants to drop dkms...19:07
MTecknologyand fakeroot19:07
keepsakeeternal_p: Okay, I'll try that.19:07
keepsakeeternal_p: No significant updates available though.19:09
eternal_pwhat kind of hardware19:09
keepsakePhenom 9500, ATI 2400Pro card (which really sucks)19:10
MTecknologyI wonder if it wanting to remove xorg is bad19:10
MTecknologyYES - Fixed! :D19:15
MTecknologyhopefully a reboot works19:15
keepsake!yay | MTecknology19:15
ubottuMTecknology: Glad you made it! :-)19:15
keepsakeVirtualBox running, awesome.19:20
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keepsakeIs there a way to access files inside a VirtualBox hd (.vdi) from outside?19:28
nemo*sigh* that crash in upgrade screwed something up - getting a lot of "exec format error" on install/uninstall of packages19:33
nemoanyone have any idea *what* might be screwed up?19:33
eternal_pkeepsake: what do you mean?19:33
eternal_pyou can do a samba shared drive, or a virtualbox shared drive19:33
nemoI'm doing a dpkg -i reinstall of a bunch of stuff and crossing my fingers.19:34
keepsakeeternal_p: Would that allow me to read files inside the .vdi virtual hard drive?19:34
eternal_pkeepsake: without virtualbox running and loaded? no19:34
MTecknologyIs there any way to see what video drivers X11 is using?19:34
keepsakeeternal_p: Ah, okay, thanks.19:34
keepsakeMTecknology: Check your xorg.conf?19:34
MTecknologyI'm assuming it's either nvidia or ati19:34
MTecknologykeepsake: ... go take a peek at it ;)19:35
MTecknologykeepsake: xorg.conf is no longer used19:35
keepsakeMTecknology: Oh, really? I didn't know, sorry >__<19:35
MTecknologyI'm sure I'm using either nvidia, ati, or intel19:36
MTecknologynot sure which it's picking up though19:36
MTecknologyhrm - or vesa i suppose - i pray not19:37
joaopintoMTecknology, look at Xorg.0.log19:38
MTecknologyheh - last line in there - exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!19:39
joaopintoMTecknology, grep "LoadModule:" /var/log/Xorg.0.log19:40
joaopintoif you have an ATI card, most likely, vesa19:40
MTecknologyhttp://pastebin.com/m329bde8419:41
MTecknologylooks like it using intel19:41
keepsakeWeird, I have an ATI card, but it doesn't mention vesa anywhere.19:42
MTecknologyjoaopinto: does this look bad, or not so bad? http://pastebin.com/m21ccfa5b19:42
IntuitiveNippleMTecknology: glxinfo | grep '^OpenGL'19:43
MTecknologyIntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.com/m69e7ae919:43
IntuitiveNippleUsing the mesa driver19:44
MTecknologyIntuitiveNipple: any idea what package that comes in?19:44
norenhi there need help, my system wont start kdm and stuck with console only19:44
MTecknologyxserver-xorg-video-?19:44
joaopintoMTecknology, intel19:45
joaopintoMTecknology, the intel driver is being loaded19:45
MTecknologyjoaopinto: IntuitiveNipple: thanks19:45
noreni just updated with the latest update, there are some packages i am unable to get while doing aptget update while in sudo/konsole19:45
MTecknologyjoaopinto: that really long post I made, is that bad, or just how things are detected every time now?19:46
norenusing irssi frm the konsole for the time being19:46
thiebaudeIntuitiveNipple: i upgraded to 9.04 yesterday and it didn't work so for right now i went back to LTS19:46
MTecknologyif that's normal, I think I'd like to make a line(section) in xorg.conf to just tell it what to use every time19:47
noren!latest19:47
ubottuPackages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports.19:47
thiebaude!stable19:47
ubottuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.19:47
thiebaudelol19:47
askandHi! Whos idea was it to add a timer to the shutdown? What was the rationale?19:48
askandAny links to mailinglists where it was discussed?19:48
norenwell any help19:48
MTecknologylol - I like how you guys say 9.04 isn't supported - but it kinda is :P - just not officially19:48
thiebaudeaskand: there is a timer in 8.1019:48
askandthiebaude: no there is not?19:49
thiebaudei like the idea of a timer19:49
MTecknologythe timer is kinda mac like19:49
thiebaudeyes there is when you click on shutdown it gives you 60 sec19:49
askandno, im on 8.10 now and it does not :S19:50
norenwell i got here 64bit need help, with kdm !!19:50
MTecknologyI'm gonna reboot and see if I still have a system :P19:51
MTecknologyttyal19:51
keepsake!ask | noren19:51
ubottunoren: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)19:51
norennever mind i will try dist upgradde and then come here again19:51
MTecknologykeepsake: he did - above19:51
MTecknologynoren: read the topic19:52
keepsakeMTecknology: Ah, I see, I wasn't sure if his "kdm" problem was the same as the aptget19:52
norenkeepsake : i already aasked,, got broken kdm after latest update. it wont start19:52
keepsakenoren: I'm aware, sorry for the confusion.19:52
noreni thought it  would be relevent to ask here as i m using jaunty19:53
keepsakeWell, it is, but it's still an alpha, so for all we know, it could just be a bug =\19:54
norenkeepsake: thats wat i was trying to confirm if its a bug then i wud wait or i will try to fix it at my end19:55
MTecknologywhat package does that power applet come in?20:15
PiciMTecknology: I'd guess it was gnome-power-manager20:16
MTecknologyI mean the shutdown/logout/hibernate/suspend20:16
nemoah. I see what my problem was20:16
MTecknologydefault all teh way on the right of the gnome panel20:17
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nemobecause the old install blew up, a bunch of the various config scripts were all broked20:17
nemoborked20:17
MTecknologyPici: I made a script like that for my system, but I'd like to replace it w/ that20:17
nemoafter I ran dpkg -i  it still errored on running the uninstall scripts, but did the new install anyway20:18
nemoafter that, apt-get upgrade stopped complaining20:18
nemoand. hopefully it won't complain again20:18
MTecknology!find gnome-video-thumbnailer20:19
ubottuPackage/file gnome-video-thumbnailer does not exist in jaunty20:19
MTecknologyyes it does20:19
nemoMTecknology: you're getting crashes in thumbnailing too? :)20:19
MTecknologynemo: no, I was trying to remove that thing20:20
nemoMTecknology: really. why? iz cool. :-p20:22
MTecknologynemo: huh?20:22
MTecknologyI love these new notifications...20:23
MTecknologywith my theme, they fit 100% perfect20:23
nemovideo thumbnails are like one of the few things I like about desktop environments20:23
Brinstarargh its all broken20:23
Brinstarlols20:24
Brinstarbugamundos not here20:24
Brinstarthe partial upgrade went ok for me20:24
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nemoBrinstar: went ok for me too, once I (hopefully) unbroke that crashiness.20:30
Brinstarhmm20:30
Brinstari didnt experience any of that20:30
Brinstaryet :)20:30
nemowell. during upgrade was the very worst time for system to lock up.  I didn't even get around to checking log file to see if there were clues as to why it happened20:30
ghindoIs Python still broken in Jaunty?20:36
MTecknologyanyone know how to put a new line in a row of buttons for gmessage?20:37
crdlbghindo: what package specifically?20:37
crdlbMTecknology: gmessage?20:37
MTecknology!info gmessage20:38
ubottugmessage (source: gmessage): an xmessage clone based on GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.2-1 (jaunty), package size 28 kB, installed size 156 kB20:38
ghindocrdlb: I thought that there were some issues with Python in Jaunty (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html)20:38
crdlbthat wasn't about python itself, but about external packages that needed to be rebuilt20:39
crdlbmost of them have been (maybe all by now)20:39
crdlbMTecknology: zenity?20:40
ghindocrdlb: Okay, thank you20:41
crdlbI guess that's more powerful than zenity20:41
joaopintothere is still a problem with miro  (Python)20:42
ghindo!info miro20:42
ubottumiro (source: miro): GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1 (jaunty), package size 1967 kB, installed size 7580 kB20:42
MTecknologycrdlb: I just have a list of buttons that I want split onto two rows20:45
crdlbI doubt you can do that20:46
MTecknology!info gxmessage20:46
ubottuPackage gxmessage does not exist in jaunty20:46
MTecknologyhrm20:46
crdlbwhy not use a real language? :)20:47
MTecknologycrdlb: hrm?20:47
MTecknologycrdlb: wanna see what I'm looking at?20:47
crdlbsure20:47
MTecknologyhttp://pastebin.com/m3cc06d7c20:48
crdlbhmm20:50
* crdlb has an idea20:50
MTecknologyok20:50
MTecknologycrdlb: what is it?20:54
crdlbzenity --list --title "Take action" --text="What do you want to do?" --height 250 --column="Choices" "Suspend" "Hibernate" "Logout" "Reboot" "Shutdown"20:54
crdlbit needs some tweaking, but that's the idea20:54
MTecknologycrdlb: nice20:55
crdlbfor anything more, you'll need to use something like pygtk :)20:56
MTecknologycrdlb: how do I evaluate the return?20:56
MTecknologysame way?20:56
crdlbit returns the choice20:56
crdlbas a string20:56
MTecknologyoh20:56
MTecknologyok :)20:56
MTecknologycrdlb: same case or to lower?20:57
MTecknologyheh - I'll check20:57
MTecknologycrdlb: thanks, I like that a lot20:57
BUGabundonice... pidgin is memory leaking20:59
BUGabundothat would explain why it crashes EVERY 1st time I start it after boot21:00
BUGabundobut the 2nd works21:00
BUGabundoLOL21:00
BUGabundodtchen: hi21:00
* BUGabundo checks email... wants to know how NM icon thread is going21:00
DanaGStupid friggin' update-manager...21:01
DanaGjust auto-launched to show me 5-WEEK OLD updates.21:01
DanaGThat's the last time I'd booted this drive.21:01
DanaGYou'd think, at the very least, they'd UPDATE THE FRIGGIN' PACKAGE CACHE before showing update-manager!21:01
DanaG... because auto-launching to show 5-week old updates....... is just plain stupid.21:02
DanaGnm icon thread?21:02
m_tadeuhi all21:02
crdlbMTecknology: the only thing I don't like is that there's no default choice21:03
m_tadeuwhat do you guys advise to update my dyndns?21:03
crdlbMTecknology: you can enable that by adding another column and using --radiolist, but then you cannot select a row by clicking anywhere in it21:04
MTecknologycrdlb: I'll use arrow keys for it - and a default would be nice21:05
MTecknologycrdlb: I like it21:05
crdlbMTecknology: well, you can have a default, you just can't indicate it21:05
MTecknologycrdlb: how do you do that?21:06
crdlbthe exit code will still indicate whether cancel or ok was pressed21:06
BUGabundoDanaG: yeah... haven't you seen it?21:06
BUGabundook with 5 week old you should have the older one! be ready21:06
DanaGOr are you speaking of the using no-signal to indicate no-connection.... even on non-wifi-capable computers?21:07
BUGabundoyeah21:07
BUGabundoits still on going!21:07
MTecknologyI should go buy my gf a flower - I bought her some but they're dying...21:07
BUGabundocharlie backed me up!!! LUVelly21:07
BUGabundoMTecknology: OT!!21:07
DPic_anybody know why there is a live CD and DVD?21:08
BUGabundoMTecknology: ask Hobbsee or something!21:08
* BUGabundo ducks21:08
MTecknologyhuh?21:08
BUGabundoDPic_: please explain!21:08
MTecknologyIt's been a while since I've talked to Hobbsee21:08
DPic_BUGabundo, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/21:08
MTecknologyBUGabundo: but you confused me21:08
DPic_there is the normal live CD, and a live DVD, which doesn't say that the differrence is21:08
BUGabundoDPic_: humm bigger ? more packages!21:09
BUGabundoMTecknology: most of us are *geeks*21:09
BUGabundowe can't help you with sentimental probs!21:09
BUGabundobut if you have a kernel prob, you can most probably find 2 or 3 interessed in helping21:10
BUGabundoLOL21:10
DPic_BUGabundo, i'd assume something like that, but what extra packages are there? is there a list online or somethin21:10
MTecknologyBUGabundo: it wasn't a problem - just random statement - I did a permanent part of -offtopic21:10
BUGabundoDPic_: I think so! just not sure where!21:10
BUGabundoyou can search for the seeds and check the depencies21:10
BUGabundoahh21:10
BUGabundoI never go there... but I think I should21:10
BUGabundoit would help me vent a bit21:11
* BUGabundo checks #ubuntu-offtopic21:11
MTecknologyBUGabundo: don't - it's not worth it21:11
MTecknologythere's a reason I won't go back21:11
DanaGsomeone wanna' link to that thread?21:11
DPic_BUGabundo, ah, found it http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd21:11
BUGabundothat's not it DPic_21:12
MTecknologywhat's the diff between sysklogd and klogd ?21:12
BUGabundoDanaG: sure21:12
BUGabundoim the OP21:12
DPic_BUGabundo, it isn't a list, but it explains that the main advantage is for language packs21:12
BUGabundohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html21:12
BUGabundoDanaG: ^^^^^^^^^21:12
BUGabundoDPic_: ok21:12
DrHalandid "nautilus-cd-burner" get removed by purpose?21:15
crdlbI believe it has been replaced by brasero in gnome21:17
hggdhseems so. I remember a thread somewhere about it21:17
BUGabundoI think so DrHalan21:18
BUGabundoupstream change21:18
BUGabundoit got dump by gnome21:18
BUGabundoto reduce duplicate tools21:18
MTecknologygot my system down to 957 installed packaged21:18
DrHalanso now i use brasero?21:18
MTecknologypackages*21:18
MTecknologyDrHalan: once you use it, you'll be glad it changed ;)21:19
MTecknologyDrHalan: but you could just install it...21:19
DrHalanoh and they renamed brasero to "CD/DVD Creator" that is nice21:19
DrHalanno no MTecknology i was just wondering21:20
filthpigHi all. On my ATI r200-based card I've experienced some problems with Jaunty since ~alpha4.. First I had very poor performance with Compiz effects enabled, so I disabled them. After some updates I tried to activate them again, but then I didn't get any window borders. Now, a few updates later, I just get the message that compiz could not be enabled. I'm running a dist-upgrade as I'm writing, so I'll see if that helps my situation.. No high h21:21
DrHalanit just seemed strange that they did that right before beta21:21
DrHalanfilthpig: you use what driver?21:21
filthpigDrHalan: the xorg-...-ati one.. the -radeon one doesn't support the r200 cards21:22
crdlbwrong21:22
DrHalanati = radeon istn it?21:23
filthpigis it? Hm. I might have misread something then21:23
crdlbthe only thing -radeon doesn't support is some weird pre-radeon stuff21:23
crdlbother than that ati just loads radeon21:23
filthpigmaybe I meant -radeonhd?21:23
maxb-ati is a wrapper which loads one of three other actual drivers depending on the card21:23
DrHalanah okay21:23
DrHalanah nice :)21:23
crdlbfilthpig: first of all, make sure 'compiz' is installed21:24
crdlba bad update may have removed it a while ago if you didn't pay close attention :)21:24
filthpigcrdlb: okay. I'll check it once I've got these latest updates installed21:24
filthpigmy poor old Pentium M is kinda dying on me :)21:25
crdlbwith my poor RV200 (which is an R100), XAA is a bit faster than EXA21:26
crdlband EXA is now the default for radeon21:26
filthpigokay. Is it a big deal to switch to XAA?21:27
filthpig(and what are the pros and cons of doing so?)21:27
crdlbOption "AccelMethod" "XAA" in Section "Device" of your xorg.conf21:28
filthpigah, even I can do that :p21:28
* DanaG hopes r300 EXA works better than R300 XAA.21:28
crdlbEXA makes use of the 3d engine, whereas with XAA it doesn't really try21:29
DanaGcool.21:29
DanaGI've booted my 32-bit Jaunty hard drive over USB on a random different system at school.21:29
crdlbbut this gpu is so weak, that it's not really worth the effort21:29
DanaG01:00.1 Display controller [0380]: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] [1002:5b70]21:29
kosmonaut1were do i find the settings -in *gconf-edidor*- for gnome-power-manager: So that I can set the cpufreq behavior. AFAIK in 8.04 it was apps -> gnome-power-manager -> cpufreq -> policy_ac...In jaunty I can't find it.21:30
crdlbfilthpig: EXA is also required for textured video with compiz, but I use the hardware overlay anyway21:30
MTecknologyanyone wanna argue that ubuntu is slower than other distros? here we go - http://s5.tinypic.com/2a8m8i1.jpg21:30
crdlbbecause of the crappy gpu :)21:30
nemocrdlb: heh. better than my Intel card :)21:30
crdlbnemo: which one? ;)21:31
nemocrdlb: I had to add a "Reduced Quality" flag to hedgewars just to make the game playable :)21:31
nemobefore adding the flag I got 7fps - after turning off most textures I got it up to a blazig 14fps21:31
filthpigoh, updates are done, brb21:31
crdlbone of those 4500 HD chips is vastly better than mine21:31
BUGabundodid I hear *hedgewars* ?????????????21:31
BUGabundoI love ittttttttt21:31
nemocrdlb: (14fps at 800x600)21:31
nemoBUGabundo: thanks :)21:32
nemoBUGabundo: have you tried the nightlies?21:32
crdlbso what is it? an i915?21:32
nemoyeah21:32
MTecknologyWhat do you guys think of that boot time?21:32
josh-lhi, anyone know if there is anything I can do to install koffice2 on kubuntu intrepid?21:32
filthpigaha! crdlb, you're correct, compiz actually has been uninstalled at some point :D21:33
BUGabundo"Not enough free disk space21:34
BUGabundoThe upgrade needs a total of 159M free space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 2430k of disk space on '/'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'."21:34
BUGabundodamnnnnnn21:34
MTecknologydoesn't look like I'll be able to trim that much unless I remove a bunch of stuff and start running startup processes parallel21:34
BUGabundonemo: not enouth time to play!21:35
BUGabundoneed to go back and play some more21:35
BUGabundoneed free space 1st21:35
nemoBUGabundo: clear /var/cache/apt/archives  ? :)21:35
BUGabundoyep21:35
BUGabundoFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on21:35
* DanaG has his system boot in like 29 seconds.21:35
BUGabundo/dev/sda1             9.3G  8.7G  150M  99% /21:35
BUGabundotmpfs                 2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /lib/init/rw21:35
BUGabundovarrun                2.0G  128K  2.0G   1% /var/run21:35
BUGabundovarlock               2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /var/lock21:35
BUGabundoudev                  2.0G   88K  2.0G   1% /dev21:35
BUGabundotmpfs                 2.0G  4.4M  1.9G   1% /dev/shm21:35
BUGabundolrm                   2.0G  2.4M  1.9G   1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-10-generic/volatile21:35
BUGabundo/dev/sda5             282G  167G  115G  60% /home21:35
nemoBUGabundo: was that reaaaally necessary?21:36
BUGabundosorry for the spam21:36
BUGabundoforgot '/'21:36
jussi01!flood21:36
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)21:36
BUGabundomine takes 80secs21:36
BUGabundosorryyyyy21:36
ghindo!flood | BUGabundo21:36
ubottuBUGabundo: please see above21:36
BUGabundoFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on21:36
BUGabundo/dev/sda1             9.3G  8.7G  150M  99% /21:36
nemoI saw it the first time21:36
BUGabundoI meant just to say this!!!21:36
nemoBUGabundo: rm -rf /home/bugabundo/Videos/Porn21:37
DanaGheh, you should see my disk usage.21:37
filthpigMTecknology: not bad. According to bootchart my computer boots in 25 secs, but the time it takes to get the desktop up and running almost doubles my time.. For me that's more important..21:37
BUGabundonot on that partition21:37
BUGabundolol21:37
DanaGLots and lots of random stuff.21:37
DanaGMostly various anime series.21:37
nemomine has like a year of TDS/TCR21:37
nemoI don't know why I'm keeping them21:37
nemomostly 'cause I still have space I guess21:37
DanaGAt least I offload most of the biggest, least-frequently-used stuff to the 640 gig external.21:37
MTecknologyfilthpig: you mean after you press enter after your password?21:38
BUGabundoguys ... OT21:38
kosmonaut1some1?21:38
MTecknologyfilthpig: for me that's a whopping 3sec21:38
nemoBUGabundo: anyway. with baobab, shouldn't be hard to clean that sucker up21:39
nemoI used to use jdiskreport before someone wrote a native one21:39
filthpigMTecknology: well, I've got automatic logon so I don't even have to do that21:39
DanaGhmm, where can I get a Jaunty ARM Alternate-CD.21:39
DanaG?21:39
joaopintocan someone else confirm bug 344500 ?21:39
filthpigbrb21:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 344500 in alarm-clock "The entire system crashes when opening the alarm-clock applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34450021:39
DanaGbaobab sucks -- doesn't show any files, at all!21:40
DanaGI use filelight instead.21:40
DanaGBummer: filelight totally ignores the "do not scan these dirs" setting if you scan /   .21:40
DanaGargh, where's an ARM non-netboot ISO?21:41
BUGabundonemo: its all those dbgsym packages!21:41
nemoheh21:41
nemothose *are* large21:41
joaopintoBUGabundo, can you test alarm-clock ?21:41
joaopintois not a system crash, just a X freeze, I think :P21:41
BUGabundojoaopinto: nope21:42
DrHalanso if nautilus-cd-burner got removed from gnome will teh same happen with ekiga as there is now empathy?21:42
joaopinto:\21:42
crdlbdid ubuntu ever pick up fedora's trick for making those debug symbol files smaller?21:42
BUGabundoDrHalan: ekiga is KDE21:42
crdlbekiga is gnome21:42
crdlbformerly known as gnomemeeting21:43
DrHalankopete is kde21:43
untitledhello. I have an usb microphone, it workes fine in kubuntu 8.10, but in 9.04 in kmix I can't increase the volume. The mic is recognized well, but the bar in kmix is in the bottom and won't go up21:43
crdlbDrHalan: it might, I guess21:43
filthpigand back :)21:43
untitledand it is not reaction on any changes in alsamixer21:44
crdlbis ekiga an official part of the gnome deesktop?21:44
BUGabundocrdlb: really???21:44
* DanaG hopes armel will work on a Zaurus.21:44
DrHalanwould be cool if the ekiga and maybe pidign people would support empathy it is really nice21:44
BUGabundonever knew!21:44
DrHalanbut misses some polishing21:44
crdlbBUGabundo: not everything with a 'k' in it is for kde :)21:44
DanaGOne thing my audio chip can do, that PA won't take advantage of:21:44
BUGabundoeeheheheeheh21:44
DanaGTwo simultaneous, independent capture streams.21:44
BUGabundonot the name, but the look!21:44
BUGabundoit always felt like kde app21:44
DrHalanis it just me or would a lot more people actually use kde if it wasn't using all those Ks21:44
filthpigMTecknology: I used a stopwatch to measure my boot time now, and it clocked in at 1 min 4 secs21:45
DanaGKyeah, kthat k-based knaming kscheme kreally kis kannoying.21:45
crdlbDrHalan: well, as a gnome user, the 'k's are actually sort of nice21:45
crdlbthey say "this isn't the app you're looking for" :P21:45
filthpighaha21:46
filthpiganyhoo, desktop effects are up and running again!21:46
DrHalanif the ad least used a soft letter maybe a vowel or so...21:46
MTecknologyfilthpig: ouch - I want to trim mine down more21:46
nemohm. you know. how *do* you tell baobab not to try scanning cifs mounts? the interface prefs are annoyingly minimalist21:46
DanaGbaobab also doesn't show any frigggin' FILES.21:47
DrHalani hope that xsane gets dropped soon gnomeScan is nicee =)21:47
DanaGMakes it useless for me.21:47
filthpigMTecknology: oh well. At work I almost daily prepare Vista machines for customers, and holy COW that OS takes ages to boot, shut down, install updates and everything!21:47
m_tadeudoesn't jaunty come with hotway?21:48
DanaGhttp://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/21:48
DanaGvboxdrv's find and grep take at least a half a second of that.21:48
MTecknologyfilthpig: lol - ya - tha compared to this is pretty interesting :P - I'm running off though21:49
crdlbspeaking of TDS/TCR ...21:49
* crdlb will be gone for ~42 minutes21:49
DanaGHmm, what should I do to optimize my boot further?21:49
filthpigOne customer had a problem with the mobile broadband modem he bought, and I decided to have a look at it.. The machine, a brand-spanking new HP with Centrino 2 and all the works, took several minutes to boot.. And it was a 64 bit system...21:49
filthpigcrdlb: sure it's not gonna be 43? ;)21:50
nemoDanaG: what did you use to generate that chart?21:50
DanaGpybootchartgui21:50
DanaGfinally got added to the repo.21:50
DanaGIt's been broken out from bootchart.21:50
nemoDanaG: neat.21:50
filthpighm, do you need a gui for that? I simply installed the bootchart package from the repos21:51
DanaGpybootchartgui also auto-generates pngs.21:51
DanaGIt used to be a java thing as part of the bootchart package itself.21:51
nemofilthpig: despite all the time I hang out on commandlines, I'm still a sucker for teh guis21:51
nemoif I'm not using it every single day, I want a gui21:51
DanaGI wish I knew what to do to further speed up my boot.21:52
filthpigyou don't need to use the CLI at all, just reboot your computer and pick up the bootchart print at /var/log/bootchart :)21:52
nemoDanaG: is this boot parallelised?21:52
DanaGYeah.21:52
nemois hard for me to tell from the graph :)21:52
DanaGIt's set to CONCURRENCY=shell21:52
nemoDanaG: odd they all seem to finish at about the same time?21:53
nemothat seems a tad improbable21:53
nemoat least, I'm getting the sense there are a few things happening in parallel now.21:54
nemomount.ntfs for example21:54
nemoseems to finish at same time as say, sshd21:54
nemois there some blocking thing going on?21:54
DanaGBeats me.21:55
nemoor pccardd21:55
DanaGThe only cardbus device in that laptop is a Ricoh Bay8Controller.21:56
DanaGIt's a SmartCard reader, that happens to be HARDWIRED into the laptop.21:56
DanaGThanks, HP, but I would've rather had the danged cardbus slot!21:56
filthpigwhat's seahorse?21:56
nemoDanaG: also. one of the entries seems to overflow the 45s mark21:56
DanaGOh, and the module seems to be pata_pcmcia21:56
nemoI think the issue is your chart doesn't extend far enough to the right21:56
nemohttp://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/EliteBook-jaunty-20090313-7.png21:56
nemothe entry between dbus-daemon and dnsmasq for example21:57
DanaGThat'd be a bug in pybootchartgui, then.21:57
virtuelvsomeone, please hand me a time machine21:58
nemoDanaG: fixit :-p21:58
virtuelvI need to go back and uninvent that dainbramage called "MTP"21:58
nemoDanaG: sooo.  yeah. I'm going with. "insufficient data to make recommendations"21:58
nemo:-p21:58
DanaGMTP?21:58
DanaGas in MTP-based media player thingy?21:58
* DanaG happens to have a USB Mass Storage-based media player thingy.21:58
DanaGFar more sane.21:58
virtuelvyes21:59
virtuelvmy device is, unfortunately, capable of both MTP and UMS22:00
virtuelvand since 9.04, Ubuntu insists that my device is MTP22:00
virtuelvwhich is completely braindamaged22:00
virtuelvand the bugs about it aren't being triaged22:00
DanaGHere's something odd with my iAudio6: if I put it in mtp mode... it still connects in UMS mode.22:01
DanaG... even in Windows, unless I specifically do "update driver"22:01
virtuelvI bought my Walkman specifically because it was linux-compatible, and a mass-storage device22:02
DanaGNext device I plan to get:22:02
DanaGhttp://www.dapreview.net/p/content/content.php?content.34822:03
DrHalanDanaG: isn't there a file on the player like ".is_mtp" or so that you can just remove?22:03
virtuelvand the bug, as I said, isn't triaged22:03
virtuelvhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/33038322:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 330383 in gvfs "MTP is preferred over UMS/MSC" [Undecided,New]22:03
DanaGOn mine, it's a setting that you can change in the settings UI on the device.22:03
DanaGIt also changes the device ID a bit.22:03
virtuelvmine doesn't have that setting22:03
DanaGoh yeahzzz, and here's my system drive: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_ST9250421AS.png22:04
DanaG-1.0% CPU usage... nice.22:05
DanaGHow do you even GET negative CPU usage?22:05
nemoDanaG: is it only measuring one core perhaps?22:05
DanaGBeats me.22:06
nemo+/- 1% has happened to me with dual core22:06
nemolike 101% usage22:06
DanaGAlso, I'm not sure what that hideous purple thing in the titlebar is.22:06
DanaGIt sure wasn't there when I screenshotted it.22:06
DanaGPrevious drive: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_Hitachi_HTS722020K9S.png22:06
nemoBTW, folks here know that compiz can do that blur on transparency right? :)22:07
DanaGAnd a drive over eSATA: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/HDTune_Benchmark_SAMSUNG_HD642JJ.png22:07
nemothe one clever thing that vista aero did - breaks up sharp lines which were always a problem with transparent or pseudo-transparent windows22:08
DanaGheh, just realized my wallpaper shows through.22:08
DanaGSamsung 640GB.  Kickass hard drive.  Damn fast, and damn quiet.22:08
DanaGI also have other random stuff there, too.22:09
DanaG.... like this graph of the battery in a Toshiba laptop: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Power%20History-9.png22:09
Laneydtchen: Just discovering that miro causes pulse to die far more often than anything else does22:10
Laneydon't know if that's interesting to you22:10
DanaGhttp://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.448322:11
dtchenLaney: what does pulseaudio -vvv tell you?22:11
dtchenLaney: (i can't debug without relevant info)22:11
dtchenLaney: be aware that -vvv will probably spam syslog22:12
Laneydtchen: OK, how to debug is what I was after22:12
BUGabundodtchen: did manage to check my logs?22:12
dtchenBUGabundo: not yet; i have a few rather pressing things to wrap up22:12
BUGabundobah22:12
BUGabundook22:12
dtchenBUGabundo: i will get to them tonight22:12
BUGabundoI'll wait in silence... pun intended22:13
BUGabundobug 34325822:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 343258 in pulseaudio "Logs from yesterday daily image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34325822:13
dtchenBUGabundo: yes, i have it in my inbox22:13
BUGabundojust in case you want to know, other then the email I sent you dtchen22:13
BUGabundoI've added the alsa .sh22:13
BUGabundoforget to say I have both KDE and GNOME desktops22:14
BUGabundonot sure it matters!22:14
Laneyrunning with -vvv now; logs coming when it next dies22:14
dtchenBUGabundo: can you reproduce the error on a fresh daily-live boot?22:14
Laneyguh, audio/video is out of sync now22:14
BUGabundonope22:15
BUGabundofresh daily all works!22:15
BUGabundoaplay makes noise, but totem works22:15
dtchenBUGabundo: excellent, that's a data point.22:15
BUGabundoso its not HW22:15
BUGabundoI know!22:15
DrHalantalking about linxu devices. Is there any other phone supporting the OpenMoko yet except the Neo?22:15
BUGabundothat's why I collected all of that data22:15
BUGabundoas a baseline22:15
dtchenBUGabundo: can you reproduce the symptom with a fresh user logged into GNOME?22:15
BUGabundohaven't tried it22:15
BUGabundobut I've deleted .pulse a few times22:16
BUGabundonot sure other userspace stuff is keot22:16
BUGabundo*kept22:16
BUGabundobut will create a new user and test22:16
BUGabundotomorrow I'll update the log22:16
dtchenBUGabundo: if you can reproduce the error with a fresh user, then you should do the following:22:17
dtchensudo /alsa/sbin force-unload22:17
dtchensudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state22:17
dtchenthen shutdown, wait 2 minutes, and power up22:17
dtchenthe cold powercycle is necessary to reset the codec22:17
BUGabundowhy 2min?22:18
* BUGabundo creating a new user22:18
* dtchen thinks22:18
dtchenhmm22:18
dtchenok, before you do the reboot thing, please take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base22:18
dtchenon line 12, make sure you don't have ... { :sbin/modprobe ...22:19
dtchenif you do, change that :sbin to /sbin22:19
BUGabundohumm22:19
dtchen(that's bug 344213)22:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 344213 in alsa-driver "Typo in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34421322:19
BUGabundodtchen: the new user should "Use Audio Devices" ?22:19
BUGabundoits there by default when creating a new user22:20
dtchenBUGabundo: not yet22:20
BUGabundonot sure that will place him in Audio group22:20
dtchenthat adds the user to @audio, which should not be necessary when using PA22:20
BUGabundobug ?22:20
dtchenwe need to see what happens22:20
* BUGabundo checks typo22:20
BUGabundoInvalid arguments!22:21
BUGabundopastebinit v0.11.222:21
BUGabundoReads on stdin for input or takes a filename as first parameter22:21
BUGabundoOptional arguments:22:21
BUGabundo-h This help screen22:21
BUGabundo-b <pastebin url:default is 'http://pastebin.com'>22:21
BUGabundo-a <author:default is 'bugabundo'>22:21
BUGabundo-f <format of paste:default is 'text'>22:21
BUGabundo-r <parent posts ID:defaults to none>22:21
BUGabundodtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132719/22:21
dtchenyes22:22
dtchenlook at line 1222:22
BUGabundoit says sbin22:22
dtchenit says :sbin, which is obviously incorrect as a path22:22
dtchenit should be /sbin, not :sbin22:22
BUGabundoinstall snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-ioctl32 ; :sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; }22:22
dtchensee above for bug reference22:22
dtchenlook at the last ------> :sbin/modprobe22:22
BUGabundoI did purge and resinstall all audio and pulse last week22:23
BUGabundoshould that be fix by then?22:23
dtchenthat fix has not been uploaded yet22:23
BUGabundoahh22:23
BUGabundono /22:23
BUGabundoso adding manually fixes it?22:23
dtchensee the bug report; i only just fixed it22:23
dtchenit looks like scott accidentally used ':' instead of '/'22:23
dtchenbut yes, you will need to still test the cold powercycle procedure22:24
Laneygrr, heisenbug22:29
yharrowAnybody know how to get sound for SDL application?22:29
yharrowit seems to be broken for all SDL applications22:29
yharrowalso flash has a different sound level that cant be controled from volume manager22:29
virtuelvwow. new skins were a welcome change from Human22:30
Laneyholy!22:30
BUGabundo1dtchen: back22:30
BUGabundo1run put of battery22:30
yharrowvirtuelv, new skins?22:30
LaneyI'm actually getting new volume notifications22:30
Laney:D!22:30
virtuelvyharrow: s/skins/themes/22:30
BUGabundo1and NEW notifications didn't warn me22:30
BUGabundo1dtchen: typo fixed22:30
yharrowvirtuelv, what is the default theme now?22:30
BUGabundo1now what?22:30
virtuelvyharrow: dunno what default is, but Dust, Dust Sand and New Wave are now available by default22:31
virtuelvand they actually look good22:31
dtchenBUGabundo1: did you try the remove-reboot test?22:32
yharrowvirtuelv, im personally a fan of Miu and Impressionism, But anything is better than the old theme.22:33
BUGabundo1dtchen: humm no! is that from the bug report?22:33
virtuelvyharrow: I won't say "anything is better"22:34
yharrowvirtuelv, eh. yeah. But Dust is better for sure.22:34
virtuelvSince 2005, I've never been able to use other themes for more than a couple of days at most, before reverting to Human22:34
dtchenBUGabundo1: no, i just described it above22:35
BUGabundo1didn't get it22:35
BUGabundo1I think22:35
BUGabundo1lost battery22:35
dtchen18:17 < dtchen> sudo /alsa/sbin force-unload22:35
dtchen18:17 < dtchen> sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state22:35
dtchen18:17 < dtchen> then shutdown, wait 2 minutes, and power up22:35
dtchen18:17 < dtchen> the cold powercycle is necessary to reset the codec22:35
dtcheni'm pretty sure you did; you asked why 2 mins22:35
BUGabundo1last line: (10:23:49 PM) dtchen: it looks like scott accidentally used ':' instead of '/'22:36
BUGabundo1ah that22:36
BUGabundo1ok will do22:36
BUGabundo1I did fix the typo too22:36
yharrowI know what you mean. I probably could have found a nice theme on gnome-looks, but was too much hassle for me.22:36
BUGabundo1dtchen: "sudo: /alsa/sbin: command not found"22:37
yharrowAnd all the other included ones were terrible, or at best mediocre22:37
dtchenBUGabundo1: flip it22:37
dtchenBUGabundo1: /sbin/alsa22:37
yharrowDoes anybody know how to make SDL sound work again?22:37
yharrowor is permanently broken22:37
BUGabundo1$ sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload22:37
BUGabundo1eheh22:37
BUGabundo1HUUUUUUUU sound|22:37
BUGabundo1pidgin just pinged22:37
BUGabundo1KDE also just fired something22:38
dtchenyharrow: please describe what the symptoms are22:38
BUGabundo1warning me about audio device being removedd22:38
BUGabundo1and I'm on gnome22:38
BUGabundo1LOL22:38
dtchenyharrow: do non-SDL apps give audible audio?22:38
BUGabundo1dtchen: "  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices? "22:38
virtuelvyharrow: I just wish theme installation and removal was easier22:38
yharrowdtchen, running applications that utilize SDL, such as tremulous and warzone-2100 give no audible audio, whereas other types of applications do.22:38
BUGabundo1YES / NO ?22:38
DanaGFor me, g-p-m still shows the OLD brightness UI.22:39
dtchenyharrow: is `pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2' audible?22:40
yharrowvirtuelv, I find that theme installation is pretty painless. But 2 things bug me. 1. You can't double click a theme for installation. 2. If a theme with the same name is already installed, you get an error and no option to overwrite the old theme22:40
dtchenBUGabundo1: you probably don't want KDE to forget about those devices22:40
yharrowdtchen, no22:40
yharrowdtchen, no sound22:41
dtchenyharrow: ok, which apps have audible audio/22:41
BUGabundo1dtchen: too late! there they went!22:42
yharrowdtchen, Totem, Flash, System sounds22:42
dtchenyharrow: is GStreamer configured to use alsasink, autoaudiosink, or pulsesink?22:42
yharrowdtchen, I'm not sure. How would I find that out?22:43
amortvigilwhy isnt plymouth included already?22:43
IntuitiveNipplebecause we have no KMS22:44
IntuitiveNipplethat comes with 2.6.2922:44
dtchenyharrow: gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink22:45
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: KMS?22:45
IntuitiveNippleamortvigil: Kernel Mode Switch22:45
dtchenyharrow: also, gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink22:45
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: ahh ok because i did read there where plymout packages for jaunty22:45
yharrowdtchen, pulsesink22:45
dtchenyharrow: for which?22:46
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: when wil 2.6.29 come out?22:46
yharrowdtchen,  first command22:46
IntuitiveNippleamortvigil: Ask Linus :)22:46
dtchenyharrow: and for the second?22:46
yharrowdtchen,  if these settings can be set with sounds prefs they are all set to pulseaudio manually22:46
yharrowdtchen, second is pulsesink too22:47
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: well err why has fedora it if the kernel isnt out yet?22:47
IntuitiveNippleRedhat/Fedora have been the developers. They initially supported ATI cards and later have been working on the other xorg drivers for Intel, Nvidia, etc.22:48
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: so it isnt possible to convert them to ubuntu's needs easly?22:48
dtchenyharrow: they really should be set to autoaudiosink22:49
dtchenyharrow: but, i digress22:49
IntuitiveNippleWe wait for upstream projects to release22:49
dtchenyharrow: is libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed?22:49
BUGabundo1dtchen: anything else before halt,pause, boot?22:49
dtchenBUGabundo1: no22:49
BUGabundo1ok22:50
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: oke, to bad i long for plymouth :P22:50
BUGabundo1see at the end of the tunnel22:50
IntuitiveNippleamortvigil: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzExOA22:50
* BUGabundo1 reboots22:50
IntuitiveNippleI long for the boot phase to be over as soon as possible.22:50
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: what is so special about jaunty?22:50
IntuitiveNipplespecial?22:51
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: i long for a boot that is over asap and is charming at the same time22:51
yharrowdtchen,  sorry for delays22:51
IntuitiveNippleI don't want my PC to 'charm' me, I want it get a b****y move on:)22:52
yharrowdtchen,  was installed earlier but it didnt help so I put it back to libsdl1.2debian-all22:52
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: yea for what i can read its just hardy with a few updated programs22:52
amortvigiland a little faster boot22:52
IntuitiveNippleamortvigil: Isn't every release? That's the *point* of the release cycle22:52
yharrowdtchen, I dont remember If i rebooted after last time I installed that. so maybe I should try again?22:52
dtchenno need to reboot22:53
yharrowdtchen, /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart is good enough?22:53
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: well these programs we could installed before but things like plymouth and fasterboot things are regorous changes..22:53
amortvigilas far there is only one22:53
amortvigilsorry for my english22:53
amortvigil:)22:53
dtchenyharrow: no, you don't need to do that22:54
yharrowdtchen, should work immediately?22:54
dtchenyharrow: are you even using system-wide pulseaudio (i.e., did you change /etc/default/pulseaudio? you shouldn't have)22:54
IntuitiveNippleI think you'll find there's been significant changes and improvements since Hardy, especially in the kernel.22:54
dtchenyharrow: you'd need to restart your SDL apps22:54
yharrowdtchen, PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=022:55
yharrow, DISALLOW_MODULE_LOADING=122:55
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dtchenyharrow: right, those are correct by default22:55
yharrowdtchen, starting sdl app22:56
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: well that i didnt know i tried to search the net but couldnt fine much22:56
DanaGugh, stupid compiz on r300... it's all extremely laggy.22:56
DanaGFeels like 1 FPS.22:56
nemoheh22:56
IntuitiveNippleamortvigil: You've got to read the change-logs to get a real idea for the changes, I think22:56
DanaGBut then if you trigger the "benchmark" plugin... it becomes un-laggy.22:56
nemoDanaG: some compiz stuff is more laggy than others22:56
amortvigilIntuitiveNipple: ok thanx22:57
nemoDanaG: I learned very quickly that opacity was bad times on the card here :)22:57
DanaGit's being pretty universally laggy... until I hit 'benchmark'22:57
nemoIntel 82865G22:57
nemofunny22:57
nemoDanaG: so. laggy even with minimal compiz plugs?22:57
DanaGI use wobbly and such, but no blur.22:57
yharrowdtchen, No sound on 2 SDL applications. If I had a 3rd app I'd test that too22:58
DanaGIt becomes perfectly non-laggy as long as 'benchmark' is active.22:58
yharrowdtchen, pidgin has sound too btw22:58
dtchenyharrow: can you use pavucontrol to ensure that those apps don't have their respective sinks set something odd?22:59
DanaGGetting it wet (that is, 'water') also makes it non-laggy.22:59
DanaG... but only as long as the water is on-screen.22:59
nemoDanaG: weird. maybe the lag is something repaint-ish?23:00
IntuitiveNipplevertical sync off?23:00
nemoDanaG: like, it isn't painting often enough, but benchmark/water force repeated paints?23:00
DanaGIt's on, but no change from disabling vsync.23:00
nemoDanaG: maybe you have some config param "10fps" :)23:00
DanaGso, I can't quite figure out what's going on.23:02
DanaG01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV3 0 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] [1002:5b60]23:03
DanaG01:00.1 Display controller [03 0]: ATI Technologies Inc RV3 0 [Radeon X300SE] [1002:5b 0]23:03
DanaGugh, stupid /exec loses letters.23:03
yharrowdtchen, it comes up as "ALSA plug-in [warzone2100]: ALSA Playback23:04
DanaGxorg log: http://pastebin.com/f31bc7ff823:04
dtchenyharrow: ok, and now, do you have an ~/.asoundrc?23:04
DanaGodd... xorg is also using lots of CPU time.23:04
dtchenyharrow: if you do, mv it23:04
yharrowdtchen,  aaaaah, it was being sent to my second soundcard for some stranger reason23:04
yharrowdtchen, yes i made an .asoundrc23:05
yharrowdtchen, back it up?23:05
nemoDanaG: water effect uses a lot of CPU23:05
dtchenyharrow: due to a change to honour ~/.asoundrc, if you have invalid settings in ~/.asoundrc, you'll likely experience odd errors23:05
nemoDanaG: for the automata23:05
DanaGIt's doing that even when idle with no water.23:05
nemoDanaG: since the ripples actually interact and aren't just simulated23:05
nemoah23:05
dtchenyharrow: was your sink issue caused by ~/.asoundrc or just shown in pavucontrol?23:06
DanaGoh, and my terminal window with htop just went all corrupt.23:06
nemoyeep23:06
nemoDanaG: um. bad vid mem settings?23:06
DanaGand 1.81fps/.23:06
nemoDanaG: anything in dmesg/xorg log about "radeon went boom" ?23:06
keepsakeHey, anyone have any luck using VirtualBox PUEL with Jaunty?23:06
yharrowdtchen, for some reason some streams were being sent to one sound card and the other streams were being sent to another and I only saw this with pavu cause it shows individual streams23:08
DanaGI see "[drm] Used old pci detect: framebuffer loaded"23:08
DanaGbut no major error messages.23:08
dtchenyharrow: ok, good23:08
DanaGArgh, goddamned metacity won't let go of compositing to let compiz start.23:08
yharrowdtchen, so i should delete my ~/.asoundrc anyways?23:09
DanaGhttp://pastebin.com/f39ae9c223:09
dtchenyharrow: no need if it wasn't the culprit23:10
BUGabundodtchen: ping23:10
yharrowdtchen, ok, so how do we find out why SDL (Alsa emulated) streams show up on the second sound card23:10
BUGabundodid the changes, and halt, wait, boot23:10
BUGabundotested sound: result: no sound23:10
DanaGugh, water is being all slow and laggy too, now.23:11
DanaGodd, and n0ow windows seem to open completely empty.\23:12
dtchenyharrow: start a new SDL app23:13
dtchenyharrow: then we can see23:13
BUGabundodtchen: only OSS works consistently23:14
BUGabundovery very strange23:14
dtchenBUGabundo: ok, so it's definitely something in your ~23:14
dtchenBUGabundo: let's see... do you have an ~/.asoundrc ?23:14
yharrowdtchen, trying to launch a second sdl app no23:15
yharrownow*23:15
dtchenyharrow: it needs to be a brand new SDL app (with sound) that you have not run before23:15
DanaG[    0.786917] (II) RADEON(0): [dri] Found DRI library version 1.3.0 and kernel module version 1.29.023:15
DanaG[    0.786943] (==) RADEON(0): Page Flipping disabled23:15
dtchenyharrow: i.e., it needs to be a fresh entry in your ~/.pulse/* volume table23:15
yharrowdtchen, ya searching for one. I think frozen bubble is SDl23:16
BUGabundodtchen: No23:16
ghindoIs there a way from me to upgrade straight from 8.04 to 9.04, or do I have to upgrade to 8.10 on the way?23:16
DanaGso, what's with that page flipping?23:16
BUGabundodtchen: new user test time?23:16
DanaGoddly  enough, Tremulous works fine.23:18
DanaG... under metacity, that is.23:18
yharrow1dtchen, ok , now how do you want me to monitor this app when i start it?23:18
dtchenBUGabundo: what do `gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink' and `gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink' return?23:18
dtchenyharrow1: using pavucontrol, see which sink the new app defaults to23:19
BUGabundodtchen: humm is that right?23:19
BUGabundoI get a '>'23:19
dtchenBUGabundo: don't use the ` or '23:19
dtchenBUGabundo: i use those only to denote commands23:20
BUGabundoah23:20
dtchen:q23:20
BUGabundoautoaudiosink23:20
BUGabundoon both23:20
dtchenerr, sorry23:20
* BUGabundo is sleepy23:20
BUGabundodtchen: u could pretty well said sudo fdisk -R and ill do it23:21
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DanaGSo I don't get what's up with that video card.'23:21
dtchenBUGabundo: what's holding the sound devices open ATM?  (sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*)23:22
dtchencould everyone running GNOME please tell me the value of: echo $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID23:23
crdlbthis-is-deprecated23:23
BUGabundodtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132752/23:23
dtchenBUGabundo: surely there is more than just the pids?23:23
BUGabundo$ echo $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID this-is-deprecated23:23
yharrow2dtchen, perl: Simple DirectMediaLayer , still defaults to the second soundcard23:25
BUGabundocan't open my own pastebin23:25
dtchenyharrow2: excellent23:25
dtchenyharrow2: what is the default sink set to?23:25
dtchen(under Output Devices tab, i think)23:25
DanaGAny other ideas about that video card and compiz?23:25
yharrow2dtchen, hah! default was set to second sound card. but.... The volume control and pulse audio default devices differ.23:26
BUGabundodtchen: bad pastebin23:26
BUGabundodoing new23:26
dtchenyharrow2: ah23:26
dtchenyharrow2: yes, that's precisely what i thought23:26
BUGabundodtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132754/23:27
dtchenaha!23:27
dtchenwell, you need to stop timidity23:28
dtchensudo /etc/init.d/timidity stop23:28
BUGabundowhat's that?23:28
BUGabundolol23:28
dtchenalso, edit /etc/default/timidity, and configure to not start on boot23:28
yharrow2dtchen, eh, still; have problems though23:28
BUGabundoahh midi stuff23:28
yharrow2dtchen, erm, one minute testing sdl apps now23:29
BUGabundodtchen: removed and purged23:29
BUGabundonow what?23:29
dtchenBUGabundo: make sure it's not still running23:30
BUGabundonot there now23:30
dtchenBUGabundo: vi pgrep / ps aux ?23:30
dtchens/vi/using/23:31
dtchensilly muscle memory23:31
BUGabundoyeah23:32
BUGabundonoticed23:32
yharrow2dtchen, when i start up the sdl app i hear crackles and then when i exit i get these errors : AL lib: alSource.c:2291: alcDestroyContext(): 1 Source(s) NOT deleted23:32
yharrow2AL lib: alBuffer.c:1097: exit() 32 Buffer(s) NOT deleted23:32
BUGabundodtchen: greping tim shows nothing23:32
dtchenBUGabundo: good, now killall pulseaudio23:32
dtchenBUGabundo: then use `speaker-test -c2'23:32
BUGabundodtchen: no sound23:33
BUGabundopa is auto spawning23:33
BUGabundoshould I stop it?23:34
yharrow2dtchen, does pulseaudio remember device settings for each app?23:34
dtchenBUGabundo: use pavucontrol to verify that the correct default sink is used and that the volumes are unmuted and set to non-zero on each stream23:34
dtchenyharrow2: yes, but there's probably an upgrade bug23:34
BUGabundodtchen: setting to Default23:35
BUGabundoit was Other23:35
yharrow2dtchen, any clue how to solve it?23:35
dtchensigh23:35
dtchenit's this darned sink bug again23:35
dtchenyharrow2: yeah, i'll probably need to have you reproduce the bug by using a fresh install of 8.10, playing something, then dist-upgrading to 9.0423:35
dtchenBUGabundo: ^^^ too23:35
BUGabundoa few mutes too23:36
dtchenyharrow2: before and after the dist-upgrade, i'll need the contents of ~/.pulse tarred23:36
BUGabundoheck no! no new install and distupgrade23:36
dtchenBUGabundo: ^^^ too23:36
BUGabundobahhhhhhhh23:36
dtchenBUGabundo: you don't *have* to23:36
yharrow2dtchen, i fresh installed with alpha 4 or something and it broke around alpha 523:36
yharrow2dtchen, or maybe 623:37
dtchenyharrow2: i wonder if you used the volume control to set the default sink at any point23:37
dtchennot pavucontrol but GNOME's23:37
yharrow2dtchen, in volume control you can only choose the current sink i think23:38
dtchenlast i tried that, it didn't even work23:38
yharrow2dtchen, i dont see any option for default sink in gnome volume control. you jjut choose the dvice to control23:38
BUGabundoim using pav one23:39
DanaGantigrav: r300_vertprog.c:1402: build_program: Assertion `mesa_vp->Base.NumInstructions' failed.23:39
yharrow2dtchen, I need to figure out how to set the device settings for applications in pulseaudio, since one of my sdl games wont let me take my mouse out of the screen23:40
dtchenyharrow2: you can use pactl or pacmd23:41
dtchenthe former isn't as featureful as the latter23:41
dtchenit can be more direct, however23:41
yharrow2dtchen, any clue what commands to use?23:42
yharrow2dtchen, thanks for all your help so far23:43
dtchenyharrow2: please see pactl(1) or use help within pacmd23:43
yharrow2dtchen, no problem. thanks again :)23:43
DanaGstupid r300.23:43
yharrow2dtchen, so pulseaudio keeps a list of settings per application right?23:45
BUGabundodtchen: any thing else to finishing trash my system?23:45
yharrow2dtchen, just want to make sure I'm not looking for something that isnt there23:45
DanaGugh, can't run Pipe Dream demo under wine under radeon.23:45
dtchenyharrow2: that's essentially correct.23:45
dtchenyharrow2: it changed between 0.9.14 and 0.9.15, however23:46
DanaGClaims no vertex/pixel shaders 2.0/2.023:46
DanaGerr:d3d:CheckTextureCapability Unhandled format=unrecognized23:46
DanaGfixme:d3d:debug_d3dformat Unrecognized 909201952 (as fourcc:  R16) WINED3DFORMAT!23:46
yharrow2dtchen, nevermind I managed to get my mouse to leave the screen. I'm good to go ^^. thanks a ton! I can;t beleive it was something as silly as default device xD23:48
shayaanyone have an idea why vlc is not working so well in januty?23:48
shayaseeming to not render text correctly23:49
DanaGfixme:d3d_caps:IWineD3DImpl_CheckDeviceFormatConversion (0x134f80)-> (STUB) (Adptr:0, DevType:(1,WINED3DDEVTYPE_HAL), SrcFmt:(21,WINED3DFMT_A8R8G8B8), TgtFmt:(22,WINED3DFMT_X8R8G8B8))23:49
DanaGtext, as in subtitles?23:49
shayano23:49
shayaas in menus23:49
DanaGFor me, VLC has ALWAYS failed miserably at subtitles.  =þ23:49
shayanot subtitles23:49
shayamenus23:49
BUGabundogoing to bed!23:49
shayafile explorer23:49
shayaevery where one would see text in the app23:49
yharrow2dtchen, there is one more issue though. Flash seems to have a volume level that can't be controlled by Pulse master volume control23:50
BUGabundodtchen: ill keep you posted!23:50
dtchenBUGabundo: ok23:50
dtchenyharrow2: hmm, do Flash apps appear in pavucontrol at all?23:51
matrixblueanyone in here uses the ATi Fire GL driver?23:51
shayayes23:51
shayaThinkpad T42p23:51
shayamatrixblue: that was aimed at you23:51
yharrow2dtchen, yup they do23:51
matrixblueI can't get the rendering method to work23:51
shayais fglrx installed?23:52
crdlbshaya: you have a 9600?23:52
dtchenyharrow2: the Master volume control may not control the appropriate element23:52
shayacrdlb: firegl version of the 960023:52
shayaif fglrx is installed, the kernel module will prevent the radeon drm from working23:52
yharrow2dtchen, oh.. ill check my button shortcuts23:52
matrixblueHow do I install fglrx?23:52
shayayou cant install fglrx23:52
shayait wont work yet with Xorg 1.623:52
matrixblueokay23:53
shayabut for r300, the open source driver works23:53
matrixblueso install r300?23:53
yharrow2dtchen, ok this would be a bug with the gnome-keybinding-properties application then?23:55
yharrow2dtchen, it shows Volume Up and Volume Down are bound to the right keys, but I cant actually edit those commands23:55
yharrow2I can add a new command though23:56
yharrow2if I knew what the command was23:56
dtchenyharrow2: using System> Preferences> Sound>, what(which) mixer control(s) is(are) the volume keys bound to?23:56
matrixblueHow do I install r300?23:56
dtchenCycom: sorry, i'll need to rebuild again due to the abi bump (-11.34)23:57
yharrow2dtchen, lol! that was the problem XD thanks!23:58
dtchenyharrow2: np23:58
dtcheni wish it weren't so convoluted, but that'll have to wait for 9.1023:58
shayamatrixblue: r300 is a radeon chip23:59
shayayou dont install it23:59
yharrow2ok I have a graphics problem now if there are any experts out there23:59
shayaanyways off I go23:59
yharrow2when I press maximize on my windows they only fill half the screen23:59

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