[03:23] <savvas> so community-themes is dropped and not supported?
[03:24] <_MMA_> savvas: How so?
[03:25] <savvas> Conflicts: community-themes
[03:25] <savvas> using: apt-cache show gnome-themes-ubuntu
[03:26] <_MMA_> Looks like they might have been moved.
[03:27] <savvas> but not all?
[03:27] <savvas> I guess Kin is outdated then? :)
[03:28] <_MMA_> savvas: We should stop guessing. ;)
[03:28] <savvas> haha ok
[05:23] <ApOgEEk> hi all
[06:04] <o0Chris0o> hi
[12:44] <_MMA_> Nice! (Colin's last comment on bug 326501)
[12:44] <_MMA_> gah. Wrong channel
[12:45] <_MMA_> Speaking of bugs still...
[12:45] <_MMA_> kwwii: How do you wanna handle bug 343940?
[12:45] <_MMA_> (this is what I PM'ed you about)
[12:53] <kwwii> _MMA_: someone should subscribe main sponsors
[12:53] <kwwii> after there is a pacakge
[12:53] <kwwii> package
[12:55] <_MMA_> kwwii: The diff isn't enough?
[12:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: it might be, not sure about that because that is not how I do my stuff
[12:55] <kwwii> as images are diff-able
[12:55] <kwwii> aren't
[12:55] <_MMA_> khashayar: ^^^
[12:56] <kwwii> subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and pitti :)
[12:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well in addition to that can you do some poking?
[12:56] <kwwii> _MMA_: how well has this stuff been tested?
[12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: How well was the last one tested? :)
[12:57] <kwwii> quite well, actually
[12:57] <kwwii> not that it need be bug free, but it shouldn't introduce and new problems
[12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well, Cimi stakes his rep on this one. ;)
[12:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: is pitti part of ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[12:58] <_MMA_> (don't wanna sub him twice)
[12:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: He's on the team. I don't think I should sub him directly.
[12:59] <_MMA_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+members
[12:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: ping him in chat
[13:00] <_MMA_> kwwii: I just think you would get a little more traction on this if you did. (when you get a min)
[13:01] <kwwii> ok, I'll ask him
[13:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: hehe
[13:05] <kwwii> 14:04 < seb128> the gtk2-engines-murrine has been updated by a desktop team  contributor this morning and is waiting for sponsoring
[13:06] <kwwii> see how hard that was?
[13:08]  * khashayar is here
[13:08] <khashayar> _MMA_: Am I needed?
[13:15] <_MMA_> khashayar: I don't know now... :)
[13:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok.. Was it from that bug? If not, I guess it should be closed.
[13:18] <khashayar> _MMA_: Cool. I'll be around for a while in case anything's needed from me.
[13:18] <_MMA_> k
[13:23] <kwwii> _MMA_: no idea, all I know is what seb told me
[13:24] <_MMA_> k
[19:17] <thorwil> *yawn*
[19:20]  * _MMA_ scratches self.
[19:26]  * kwwii stares at _MMA_ scratching
[19:26] <kwwii> in a funky kinda bad way
[19:27] <_MMA_> :P
[20:13] <kwwii> Cimi: did you see that murrine made it in jaunty?
[20:52] <kwwii> MadsRH: did you see my email?
[20:52] <kwwii> not that I am the most important person in the world, but I figured I should ask :-)
[21:13] <MadsRH> kwwii -> Yes I just read it now. (sorry for the late reply)
[21:13] <MadsRH> kwwii -> I asked for the source, but he didn't sent it. I don't think he speaks/writes english very well
[21:19] <knome> source for what?
[21:43] <kwwii> MadsRH: or he simply doesn't have it
[21:43] <kwwii> I imagine that a lot of what we get are copies of copies
[21:43] <kwwii> and people just don't know
[21:43] <MadsRH> kwwii -> actually I think he doesn't
[21:44] <kwwii> MadsRH: if possible I would like to ask again
[21:44] <kwwii> it is very well liked amongst the brass in canonical
[21:44] <kwwii> I showed them your ldm theme and they shit
[21:45] <kwwii> proverbiably speaking
[21:45] <kwwii> :-)
[21:45] <kwwii> so +1 for you from the bosses
[21:45] <MadsRH> there's (perhaps) an issue. If he isn't the creator of this artwork, it could be copyrighted
[21:45] <kwwii> MadsRH: well, you asked and got a resonse, right?
[21:46] <kwwii> and it seems to be legit
[21:46] <kwwii> if he lied, how can we know?
[21:46] <MadsRH> he he, that is wonderful news - but I just colored the artwork ;-)
[21:46] <kwwii> I mean, if you have seen the pic somewhere else, please admit it
[21:46] <kwwii> I haven't
[21:46] <kwwii> I remember seeing it on gnome-look
[21:46] <kwwii> but that is all
[21:46] <kwwii> at the time I liked it
[21:47] <kwwii> I never considered doing what you did to it, and what you did is really nice :-)
[21:47] <kwwii> in any case, if someone knows something about that pic and wants to warn us, they should
[21:47] <MadsRH> well that's just it. I'm writing Stéphane as we speak, because I found very very similar images on www.shutterstock.com
[21:47] <kwwii> hehe, ouch
[21:48] <MadsRH> I'll try to find the link again and send it to you,
[21:48] <kwwii> if it is really similar and protected we are up the creek
[21:48] <kwwii> erm, sending it to me is probably bad
[21:48] <kwwii> just be sure it is really the thing and *then* send it to me
[21:48] <kwwii> not to be stupid
[21:48] <kwwii> but don't just start sending me similar pics
[21:48] <kwwii> as they really kills deniability
[21:49] <kwwii> :)
[21:49] <kwwii> if it is the same pic, please let me know
[21:49] <kwwii> or a *very* apparent copy
[21:49] <MadsRH> okay, i get your point - by similar i mean a match ;-)
[21:49] <kwwii> ouch
[21:49] <kwwii> that sucks
[21:50] <kwwii> ok, send it to me
[21:50] <kwwii> :(
[21:50] <kwwii> people suck
[21:50] <kwwii> lol
[21:50] <MadsRH> It cought my eye beacuse it is the exact same as the one on Gnome-look. Not fliped or colored - a match
[21:50] <kwwii> instead of learning how to do art I should have learned how to program a computer to do art
[21:50] <kwwii> MadsRH: well, it depends on the license of the original pic
[21:51] <kwwii> if it really is a copy
[21:51] <kwwii> in the meantime, this is *really* important
[21:51] <kwwii> as they are considering including it as a second wallpaper in Jaunty
[21:51] <knome> about what pic are we talking about? :P
[21:51] <MadsRH> Hopefully I've bookmarked it in Jaunty so I'll have to reboot
[21:52] <kwwii> knome: "this is not the pic I are looking for" I say, waving my hand in a jedi manner
[21:52] <kwwii> erm
[21:52] <kwwii> well
[21:52] <kwwii> close enough
[21:52] <knome> ...right
[21:52] <MadsRH> kwwii -> a second? I'm really looking forward to the first :-D
[21:53] <kwwii> MadsRH: dude...be real
[21:53] <kwwii> ubuntu is brown
[21:53] <kwwii> deal with it
[21:54] <kwwii> roses are red, violets are blue, ubuntu is brown, and that is the color of fecal matter I laughingly say :p
[21:54] <kwwii> although "that's the color of poo" fits as well
[21:54] <MadsRH> kwwii -> perhaps you got me wrong, nevermind. I'll just reboot and find the bookmark. If you're not here I'll email you
[21:55] <kwwii> MadsRH: please do, I will be up for a while but watching a film
[21:55] <kwwii> so it might take a bit to respond
[22:04] <_MMA_> Cimi: Do we have to change anything in the themes shipping with Ubuntu to be more compatible with this new version of Murrine?
[22:04] <Cimi> they will work
[22:05] <_MMA_> k
[22:05] <Cimi> though it should be time to upgrade them
[22:05] <Cimi> ehm
[22:05] <Cimi> rewrite them
[22:05] <_MMA_> Any suggestions?
[22:05] <Cimi> of course
[22:05] <Cimi> wait 1 minute
[22:05] <_MMA_> k
[22:10] <Cimi> _MMA_, https://code.launchpad.net/~murrine-themes-team/murrine-themes/common-gtkrc
[22:10]  * _MMA_ looks
[22:11] <Cimi> _MMA_, this is a good template, it contains fixes for many applications and custom widgets
[22:11] <_MMA_> Cimi: Cool. I'll have to work on it ASAP.
[22:11] <_MMA_> ("it" being Studio's theme)
[22:12] <Cimi> feel free to branch if you want
[22:12] <Cimi> so you can merge the changes
[22:12] <Cimi> everytime a new fix arrives we update that gtkrc
[22:13] <_MMA_> k
[22:18] <Cimi> kwwii, you should set that link as your new firefox homepage
[22:19] <kwwii> Cimi: no doubt
[22:20] <Cimi> kwwii, it will fix all your issue/hacks into Human
[22:20] <Cimi> you won't need them any longer
[22:21] <kwwii> Cimi: erm, so what can we change for Jaunty?
[22:21] <kwwii> in the human theme, I mean
[22:21] <kwwii> that is qutie important as we are two days before beta
[22:21] <kwwii> erm, quite
[22:21] <Cimi> what you should do is: rm -rf --force --destroy --nuke Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[22:22] <Cimi> what you will do... ehm I don't know :-)
[22:22] <kwwii> please, this is really important that we get it right...really, at this time with everything else going on around it is really, really important
[22:22] <Cimi> kwwii, you should get the common-gtkrc's gtkrc from that branch
[22:22] <Cimi> and adjust colors and styles
[22:23] <Cimi> using shade and not mix and other wrong ways
[22:25] <Cimi> _MMA_, you should do the same for ubuntustudio, but I'm sure it is not dramatic as Human
[22:25] <_MMA_> Cimi: I will be, but not for Jaunty.
[22:26] <Cimi> Human was a theme done for ubuntulooks, which contains some strange things into the code (like static colors etc etc) which required hacks in the gtkrc to have them changed
[22:26] <Cimi> when Human switched to murrine, the gtkrc taken as a base was the same, and the ubuntulooks's custom code remains
[22:27] <Cimi> for example
[22:28] <Cimi> that's why the Human metacity is much darker then the selected bg color chosen in the gnome control center
[22:28] <kwwii> Cimi: HEY, in case you haven't noticed it is one day before the beta freeze
[22:28] <kwwii> I simply don't have time to do taht
[22:28] <kwwii> that
[22:28] <Cimi> kwwii, rewriting a theme could be done in 30minutes
[22:28] <Cimi> ok
[22:28] <kwwii> I am working on like 3 other things at the same time
[22:29] <kwwii> I have been up since 8 my time
[22:29] <Cimi> yeah
[22:29] <kwwii> it is 23:30
[22:29] <Cimi> I'm not forcing you to this for jaunty
[22:29] <kwwii> but we need it for jaunty, really
[22:29] <Cimi> I'd just like to point out the importance of this thing
[22:30] <Cimi> kwwii, ask lucazade
[22:30] <kwwii> yeah, me too
[22:30] <Cimi> when he will come back
[22:30] <Cimi> he is very good
[22:35] <Cimi> kwwii, I have asked Luca on facebook, but it is not online now
[22:43] <dashua> kwwii: I can help re-write Human, I'm sure I have a variation around somewhere all based on the murrine common-gtkrc.
[22:43] <dashua> Give me some direction and I'll get started.
[22:43] <Cimi> kwwii, yeah dashua has good experience too
[22:44] <dashua> My contrast might be a bit low though ;p
[22:45] <Cimi> don't touch contrast
[22:45] <Cimi> I will refine the theme
[22:45] <dashua> Ok
[22:46] <dashua> I'm going to get rid of all of those mix hacks as I think I may have already.
[22:48] <Cimi> kwwii, there's lucazade too
[22:49] <lucazade> hi all
[22:49] <kwwii> hi lucazade
[22:49] <kwwii> please make me happy now
[22:49] <kwwii> :p
[22:49] <kwwii> immediately if possible
[22:49] <kwwii> :D
[22:49] <kwwii> sorry
[22:51] <_MMA_> haha
[22:52] <kwwii> lucazade: I am trying to find someone who understands the new murrine engine enough to port the human gtkrc to the newest bling
[22:52] <MadsRH> kwwii -> did you get my email?
[22:52] <kwwii> and Cimi tells me you rock
[22:52] <kwwii> MadsRH: yes, did you get mine?
[22:52] <kwwii> it has a few company peeps in CC
[22:53] <kwwii> so it is killed
[22:53] <kwwii> and we will look into options tomorrow
[22:53] <kwwii> MadsRH: you also rock for taking care of this
[22:53] <lucazade> thanks.. dunno if rock.. :) i can try to make some modification to human theme
[22:53] <kwwii> thanks so much
[22:53] <MadsRH> Oh, just got it now (hate rebooting all the time :-))
[22:53] <kwwii> lucazade: trust me, if you spend an hour knowing what you are doing on the human theme you rock
[22:54] <lucazade> is there anything you dislike more?
[22:54] <Cimi> lucazade, of course, consider common-gtkrc as a base
[22:57] <lucazade> i'll post here o i'll tell to cimi if i get something nice
[23:03] <kwwii> lucazade: the thing is, we need to stay pretty close to the look of human for this release...for akrmic we are free to roam
[23:04] <lucazade> ok kwwii
[23:05] <Cimi> kwwii, metacity?
[23:06] <kwwii> Cimi: yes, we are still using it
[23:06] <kwwii> reluctantly
[23:06] <Cimi> can we fork the Clearlooks theme and make it similar to Human?
[23:07] <Cimi> Clearlooks theme is 30% faster and compatible with dark themes
[23:15] <Cimi> lucazade, I've removed the shadows around the comboboxentry's button
[23:15] <Cimi> just like clearlooks
[23:15] <lucazade> haven't tried yet .. going to check it
[23:17] <Cimi> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175266/Schermata.png
[23:18] <Cimi> lucazade, see firefox's address bar
[23:18] <lucazade> :)
[23:19] <Cimi> like yes/no
[23:19] <Cimi> ?
[23:20] <lucazade> yes is nice, btw i liked also the previous one
[23:21] <lucazade> which was the issue with it?
[23:21] <lucazade> no needs of shadow?
[23:22] <Cimi> lucazade, I think that it doesn't look consistent with the entry
[23:22] <lucazade> ok
[23:23] <lucazade> yes more consistent, i agree