[03:23] so community-themes is dropped and not supported? [03:24] <_MMA_> savvas: How so? [03:25] Conflicts: community-themes [03:25] using: apt-cache show gnome-themes-ubuntu [03:26] <_MMA_> Looks like they might have been moved. [03:27] but not all? [03:27] I guess Kin is outdated then? :) [03:28] <_MMA_> savvas: We should stop guessing. ;) [03:28] haha ok [05:23] hi all [06:04] hi === khashaya` is now known as khashayar [12:44] <_MMA_> Nice! (Colin's last comment on bug 326501) [12:44] Launchpad bug 326501 in tasksel "wrong description for ubuntustudio-desktop " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326501 [12:44] <_MMA_> gah. Wrong channel [12:45] <_MMA_> Speaking of bugs still... [12:45] <_MMA_> kwwii: How do you wanna handle bug 343940? [12:45] Launchpad bug 343940 in gtk2-engines-murrine "murrine needs update to 0.90.0 (diff.gz attached)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343940 [12:45] <_MMA_> (this is what I PM'ed you about) [12:53] _MMA_: someone should subscribe main sponsors [12:53] after there is a pacakge [12:53] package [12:55] <_MMA_> kwwii: The diff isn't enough? [12:55] _MMA_: it might be, not sure about that because that is not how I do my stuff [12:55] as images are diff-able [12:55] aren't [12:55] <_MMA_> khashayar: ^^^ [12:56] subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and pitti :) [12:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well in addition to that can you do some poking? [12:56] _MMA_: how well has this stuff been tested? [12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: How well was the last one tested? :) [12:57] quite well, actually [12:57] not that it need be bug free, but it shouldn't introduce and new problems [12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well, Cimi stakes his rep on this one. ;) [12:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: is pitti part of ubuntu-main-sponsors? [12:58] <_MMA_> (don't wanna sub him twice) [12:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: He's on the team. I don't think I should sub him directly. [12:59] <_MMA_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+members [12:59] _MMA_: ping him in chat [13:00] <_MMA_> kwwii: I just think you would get a little more traction on this if you did. (when you get a min) [13:01] ok, I'll ask him [13:05] _MMA_: hehe [13:05] 14:04 < seb128> the gtk2-engines-murrine has been updated by a desktop team contributor this morning and is waiting for sponsoring [13:06] see how hard that was? [13:08] * khashayar is here [13:08] _MMA_: Am I needed? [13:15] <_MMA_> khashayar: I don't know now... :) [13:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok.. Was it from that bug? If not, I guess it should be closed. [13:18] _MMA_: Cool. I'll be around for a while in case anything's needed from me. [13:18] <_MMA_> k [13:23] _MMA_: no idea, all I know is what seb told me [13:24] <_MMA_> k === khashaya` is now known as khashayar [19:17] *yawn* [19:20] * _MMA_ scratches self. [19:26] * kwwii stares at _MMA_ scratching [19:26] in a funky kinda bad way [19:27] <_MMA_> :P [20:13] Cimi: did you see that murrine made it in jaunty? [20:52] MadsRH: did you see my email? [20:52] not that I am the most important person in the world, but I figured I should ask :-) [21:13] kwwii -> Yes I just read it now. (sorry for the late reply) [21:13] kwwii -> I asked for the source, but he didn't sent it. I don't think he speaks/writes english very well [21:19] source for what? [21:43] MadsRH: or he simply doesn't have it [21:43] I imagine that a lot of what we get are copies of copies [21:43] and people just don't know [21:43] kwwii -> actually I think he doesn't [21:44] MadsRH: if possible I would like to ask again [21:44] it is very well liked amongst the brass in canonical [21:44] I showed them your ldm theme and they shit [21:45] proverbiably speaking [21:45] :-) [21:45] so +1 for you from the bosses [21:45] there's (perhaps) an issue. If he isn't the creator of this artwork, it could be copyrighted [21:45] MadsRH: well, you asked and got a resonse, right? [21:46] and it seems to be legit [21:46] if he lied, how can we know? [21:46] he he, that is wonderful news - but I just colored the artwork ;-) [21:46] I mean, if you have seen the pic somewhere else, please admit it [21:46] I haven't [21:46] I remember seeing it on gnome-look [21:46] but that is all [21:46] at the time I liked it [21:47] I never considered doing what you did to it, and what you did is really nice :-) [21:47] in any case, if someone knows something about that pic and wants to warn us, they should [21:47] well that's just it. I'm writing Stéphane as we speak, because I found very very similar images on www.shutterstock.com [21:47] hehe, ouch [21:48] I'll try to find the link again and send it to you, [21:48] if it is really similar and protected we are up the creek [21:48] erm, sending it to me is probably bad [21:48] just be sure it is really the thing and *then* send it to me [21:48] not to be stupid [21:48] but don't just start sending me similar pics [21:48] as they really kills deniability [21:49] :) [21:49] if it is the same pic, please let me know [21:49] or a *very* apparent copy [21:49] okay, i get your point - by similar i mean a match ;-) [21:49] ouch [21:49] that sucks [21:50] ok, send it to me [21:50] :( [21:50] people suck [21:50] lol [21:50] It cought my eye beacuse it is the exact same as the one on Gnome-look. Not fliped or colored - a match [21:50] instead of learning how to do art I should have learned how to program a computer to do art [21:50] MadsRH: well, it depends on the license of the original pic [21:51] if it really is a copy [21:51] in the meantime, this is *really* important [21:51] as they are considering including it as a second wallpaper in Jaunty [21:51] about what pic are we talking about? :P [21:51] Hopefully I've bookmarked it in Jaunty so I'll have to reboot [21:52] knome: "this is not the pic I are looking for" I say, waving my hand in a jedi manner [21:52] erm [21:52] well [21:52] close enough [21:52] ...right [21:52] kwwii -> a second? I'm really looking forward to the first :-D [21:53] MadsRH: dude...be real [21:53] ubuntu is brown [21:53] deal with it [21:54] roses are red, violets are blue, ubuntu is brown, and that is the color of fecal matter I laughingly say :p [21:54] although "that's the color of poo" fits as well [21:54] kwwii -> perhaps you got me wrong, nevermind. I'll just reboot and find the bookmark. If you're not here I'll email you [21:55] MadsRH: please do, I will be up for a while but watching a film [21:55] so it might take a bit to respond [22:04] <_MMA_> Cimi: Do we have to change anything in the themes shipping with Ubuntu to be more compatible with this new version of Murrine? [22:04] they will work [22:05] <_MMA_> k [22:05] though it should be time to upgrade them [22:05] ehm [22:05] rewrite them [22:05] <_MMA_> Any suggestions? [22:05] of course [22:05] wait 1 minute [22:05] <_MMA_> k [22:10] _MMA_, https://code.launchpad.net/~murrine-themes-team/murrine-themes/common-gtkrc [22:10] * _MMA_ looks [22:11] _MMA_, this is a good template, it contains fixes for many applications and custom widgets [22:11] <_MMA_> Cimi: Cool. I'll have to work on it ASAP. [22:11] <_MMA_> ("it" being Studio's theme) [22:12] feel free to branch if you want [22:12] so you can merge the changes [22:12] everytime a new fix arrives we update that gtkrc [22:13] <_MMA_> k [22:18] kwwii, you should set that link as your new firefox homepage [22:19] Cimi: no doubt [22:20] kwwii, it will fix all your issue/hacks into Human [22:20] you won't need them any longer [22:21] Cimi: erm, so what can we change for Jaunty? [22:21] in the human theme, I mean [22:21] that is qutie important as we are two days before beta [22:21] erm, quite [22:21] what you should do is: rm -rf --force --destroy --nuke Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc [22:22] what you will do... ehm I don't know :-) [22:22] please, this is really important that we get it right...really, at this time with everything else going on around it is really, really important [22:22] kwwii, you should get the common-gtkrc's gtkrc from that branch [22:22] and adjust colors and styles [22:23] using shade and not mix and other wrong ways [22:25] _MMA_, you should do the same for ubuntustudio, but I'm sure it is not dramatic as Human [22:25] <_MMA_> Cimi: I will be, but not for Jaunty. [22:26] Human was a theme done for ubuntulooks, which contains some strange things into the code (like static colors etc etc) which required hacks in the gtkrc to have them changed [22:26] when Human switched to murrine, the gtkrc taken as a base was the same, and the ubuntulooks's custom code remains [22:27] for example [22:28] that's why the Human metacity is much darker then the selected bg color chosen in the gnome control center [22:28] Cimi: HEY, in case you haven't noticed it is one day before the beta freeze [22:28] I simply don't have time to do taht [22:28] that [22:28] kwwii, rewriting a theme could be done in 30minutes [22:28] ok [22:28] I am working on like 3 other things at the same time [22:29] I have been up since 8 my time [22:29] yeah [22:29] it is 23:30 [22:29] I'm not forcing you to this for jaunty [22:29] but we need it for jaunty, really [22:29] I'd just like to point out the importance of this thing [22:30] kwwii, ask lucazade [22:30] yeah, me too [22:30] when he will come back [22:30] he is very good [22:35] kwwii, I have asked Luca on facebook, but it is not online now [22:43] kwwii: I can help re-write Human, I'm sure I have a variation around somewhere all based on the murrine common-gtkrc. [22:43] Give me some direction and I'll get started. [22:43] kwwii, yeah dashua has good experience too [22:44] My contrast might be a bit low though ;p [22:45] don't touch contrast [22:45] I will refine the theme [22:45] Ok [22:46] I'm going to get rid of all of those mix hacks as I think I may have already. [22:48] kwwii, there's lucazade too [22:49] hi all [22:49] hi lucazade [22:49] please make me happy now [22:49] :p [22:49] immediately if possible [22:49] :D [22:49] sorry [22:51] <_MMA_> haha [22:52] lucazade: I am trying to find someone who understands the new murrine engine enough to port the human gtkrc to the newest bling [22:52] kwwii -> did you get my email? [22:52] and Cimi tells me you rock [22:52] MadsRH: yes, did you get mine? [22:52] it has a few company peeps in CC [22:53] so it is killed [22:53] and we will look into options tomorrow [22:53] MadsRH: you also rock for taking care of this [22:53] thanks.. dunno if rock.. :) i can try to make some modification to human theme [22:53] thanks so much [22:53] Oh, just got it now (hate rebooting all the time :-)) [22:53] lucazade: trust me, if you spend an hour knowing what you are doing on the human theme you rock [22:54] is there anything you dislike more? [22:54] lucazade, of course, consider common-gtkrc as a base [22:57] i'll post here o i'll tell to cimi if i get something nice [23:03] lucazade: the thing is, we need to stay pretty close to the look of human for this release...for akrmic we are free to roam [23:04] ok kwwii [23:05] kwwii, metacity? [23:06] Cimi: yes, we are still using it [23:06] reluctantly [23:06] can we fork the Clearlooks theme and make it similar to Human? [23:07] Clearlooks theme is 30% faster and compatible with dark themes [23:15] lucazade, I've removed the shadows around the comboboxentry's button [23:15] just like clearlooks [23:15] haven't tried yet .. going to check it [23:17] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175266/Schermata.png [23:18] lucazade, see firefox's address bar [23:18] :) [23:19] like yes/no [23:19] ? [23:20] yes is nice, btw i liked also the previous one [23:21] which was the issue with it? [23:21] no needs of shadow? [23:22] lucazade, I think that it doesn't look consistent with the entry [23:22] ok [23:23] yes more consistent, i agree