=== rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux === nijaba` is now known as nijaba [10:01] * persia peers about [10:01] * Hobbsee throws rotten tomatoes at persia [10:01] GOTCHA! [10:02] * persia applies the handy uncursed towel (P) [10:03] er, what are you actually peering about for? [10:04] There was a rumor that the AsiaOceania RMB might meet now, when there might be quorum about. Given the lack of others, I'm guessing the rumour was unfounded. [10:04] As a result, I expect the meeting will be held later, and don't know if we'll get quorum, as it will be late in Australia. [10:07] persia: the meeting is planned fot the 15UTC (on the wiki page) [10:08] MaWaLe, Indeed, that's what the wiki page says. As I said, it was an apparently unfounded rumour. So, 5 hours from now, I'll peer about again :) [10:09] hope that it'll be a quorum this time [10:59] morning all [10:59] hello [11:00] mdke and Burgundavia are not around and I guess mako is not up yet [11:01] #startmeeting [11:01] Meeting started at 06:01. The chair is dholbach. [11:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:02] it seems we have one agenda item today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [11:02] [TOPIC] Forums Council Re-Elections and New Members [11:02] New Topic: Forums Council Re-Elections and New Members [11:02] * dholbach needs a minute or two to get on top of the discussion :) [11:04] arrgh, south african bandwidth [11:05] :) [11:05] so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation only applies partly, there's no real "team" connected to the "Forums Community" [11:05] sabdfl: lagging here too, never heard of St. Patick day lag before:) [11:06] usually, post-St Patrick's day lag :-) [11:07] *g* [11:07] dholbach: i thought we agreed to create such a team? [11:08] sabdfl: there's https://launchpad.net/~forum-council/+members but there's no "members through Forum's participation" - I think I recall us saying that we revisit the decision in a few months of time again [11:08] sabdfl: IIRC the IRC and the Forums community did not like the idea much [11:08] Technoviking would know better than I do :) [11:09] right [11:09] i keep thinking we agreed it, because it's what i wanted, but that's not always true :-) [11:09] * dholbach hugs sabdfl :) [11:10] are you talk about a team for all forums members? [11:10] Technoviking: ubuntumembers through forums activity [11:10] so in the absence of such a team right now, it'd make sense for all CC members to review the nominations and cast a vote [11:11] Could perhaps the polity be all ubuntumembers? Those inactive in the forums would likely abstain. [11:11] i.e., a team of folks who have made significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu *in the forums* [11:12] persia: That vote wouldn't be able to take place via IRC it would need to be on LP [11:12] i don't think there's a *requirement* for voting on LP [11:12] if there's an agreed, fair and safe voting mechanism in the forums, or the IRC world, communities can use that [11:13] for votes inside that domain, where people are comfortable with those tools [11:13] sabdfl: But if we allow all ubuntumembers to vote, it would be difficult to do it on irc (especially to enforce that only members vote) [11:13] And the polity needn't necessarily even vote, as long as the right polity is identified/ [11:13] it's cross-team things that usually need LP === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [11:14] sorry, with all the dropping off and reconnecting, i fear i'm not keeping up with the conversation [11:14] You didn't miss anything sabdfl [11:16] for now I think we should decouple the ubuntumembers-through-forums-activity from the new FC members discussion [11:17] I agree [11:19] I guess first thing is, is the CC ok with the Forums Council expanding to 7 members? [11:20] I am [11:21] me too, it is a big responsibility and the FC will definitely benefit from more trusted Forums leader to be on board [11:22] sabdfl? [11:23] must have dropped again [11:26] if we don't come to a conclusion in this meeting I'd suggest starting a new thread with all the voting options to the CC and set a cut-off date in 1-2 weeks so everybody has enough time to send in their vote [11:26] the FC election organisation thread got fairly long already and maybe it wasn't sufficiently clear what was expected of each member [11:26] dholbach: sounds good [11:27] elmo, sabdfl: does that sound fair to you? [11:27] dholbach: sounds good to me [11:27] I will prepare it [11:27] thanks a lot Technoviking [11:28] [TOPIC] Any other business? [11:28] New Topic: Any other business? [11:29] I'd just like to thank the CC for continuing the meeting schedule reliably over the past many months, regardless of DST changes, inconveniences of personal schedules, or other matters. [11:29] thanks persia, I'd like to give credit to Claire Newman who reminded me of the meeting dates when I did not think of them. :-) [11:30] ok seems we have no other business - thanks everybody [11:30] #endmeeting [11:30] Meeting finished at 06:30. [11:30] * dholbach will update the Team Report [11:31] thanks dholbach [11:31] Technoviking: thank YOU [11:41] argh. ftr, +1 [11:41] dholbach: ^ sorry for the lag [11:42] sabdfl: no worries - I think it's good if we get all votes of the CC for such an important decision [11:42] me too === Igorots is now known as pyc1 === pyc1 is now known as Igorots === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === zaafouri is now known as zaafouri` [14:54] * persia peers about [14:56] * MaWaLe hoping that there'll be a quorum [14:56] hi [14:56] hi [14:56] amachu, sorry for my long absence [14:56] hi amachu [14:56] hey Belutz [14:57] hi persia [14:57] persia, how things going? [14:57] Alright. For you? [14:57] I'm alright too, thanks :) [14:57] just a lot of work to do [14:58] and i'm still in the office at 10pm now :D [14:59] @paris [14:59] hey all [14:59] nijaba, The bot can't process the google calendar, and so doesn't track the schedule. Checkhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar [14:59] Server Team meeting is at 16:00 UTC, which is in an hour [14:59] oki, ta persia [14:59] Belutz: you there :-) [14:59] great the time change worked? [15:00] amachu, i'm here :D [15:00] persia: yes. [15:00] so let me check for one more person [15:00] elky: Hey are you there? [15:00] amachu, maybe it's not working for our friend in australia [15:01] it's probably 2am in there [15:01] lifeless: ? [15:01] Belutz: Yes. persia had commented with his concerns on that [15:02] hello === b0i_kut3^^ is now known as khanh_coltech [15:02] Belutz: got to know about zakame? [15:02] amachu, no i'm not [15:03] persia: we still need one. [15:03] aamachu, Indeed. If zakame doesn't join us, I think we won't reach quorum. [15:04] Hello all - for those attending the Ubuntu Server Team we'll move to #ubuntu-server [15:04] hmmm - the fridge says 16:00 UTC for server team meeting, but Mathias said we'd changed to 15:00 [15:04] can i become Ubuntu member? [15:04] nealmcb, It seems to be related to some confusion based on some governments insistence that there should be changes to the hours on clocks. [15:05] indeed.... [15:05] khanh_coltech, Possibly. If we can get one more of our board members to arrive in the next 10 minutes or so, we'll process the applications in the order they appear on the wiki page. [15:06] khanh_coltech, If not, we'll try to reschedule the next meeting to assure a sufficient number of people will be present, and review them then. [15:06] persia: thanks, i will wait :) [15:07] khanh_coltech: please fix your wikipages link, I think that it needs "s/k/K/'. [15:08] persia: while we wait lets decide on concerns you had raised on your comments while editing the wiki page [15:09] hito_jp: ok, it fixed [15:09] yes. I too agree 2 AM is difficult for Aussies [15:09] I'm just not convinced we can reach quorum at 15:00, and think we oughtn't schedule any meetings then until we are assured of quorum, as it's unfair to those who attend. [15:09] persia: yes. And it getting repeated for quite a number of time [15:10] and themuso ? [15:10] is in Australia [15:11] persia: has the meeting been held before? [15:11] aamachu, actually, the previous time is fine with me, but sometimes works in the way [15:11] PmDematagoda, Several times, but we have yet to reach quorum this evening. [15:11] persia: Ive been having trouble attending any meeting all this time, most of the time I was caught up in something, my apologies for that [15:11] Belutz: you mean the 11.00 UTC or 9.00 UTC? [15:12] too many different time zones for asia & oceania :D [15:12] aamachu, both, but at both time i will be still at the office [15:12] Belutz, Can you meet from the office? [15:12] its office time here in India too.. [15:13] persia, yes, if there's no meeting :) [15:13] but I can manage === khanh_coltech is now known as b0i_kut3^^ [15:13] To avoid colliding with the CC, let's do 10:00 === b0i_kut3^^ is now known as khanh_coltech [15:13] persia: you mean to say consistently for all four weeks? [15:14] and because sometimes i travel out of town, it's sometimes hard for me to get a connection [15:14] on tuesdays? [15:14] aamachu, Or even just every other week. We didn't do so well with every week, but I think we'd do better with every other week. [15:14] I do like Tuesdays. [15:15] persia: as long as we could meet it I am Ok. So the first and the third or the second and the fourth? [15:15] Belutz: what do you say? [15:16] second and fourth is better for me, but only marginally. [15:16] aamachu, ok, let's try that [15:17] so there will not be a meeting today? [15:17] aamachu, could you please set up a google calendar, so I could subscribe to the meeting schedule and get sms notification for that? :D [15:17] MaWaLe, We haven't reached quorum, and we're 15 minutes in, so likely no. [15:17] aamachu, Just be sure to invite the fridge when you do :) [15:18] * MaWaLe is so sad [15:18] yes [15:18] Belutz: and for you? [15:19] yes, it's ok with me [15:19] can i ask a question please [15:19] i hope the candidate won't be to dissapointed :) [15:19] persia: : I do update fridge these days [15:19] MaWaLe, Go ahead. [15:19] MaWaLe: has been waiting for so long :-) [15:19] how do you (RBM) calculate the needed quorum? [15:20] The RMB is 7 members, so it requires at least 4 to make a binding decision. [15:20] MaWaLe: We are seven on the board - > 50% is four [15:20] i think that waiting was a good experience for me to have more activities and knowing more people (like amachu and persia) [15:20] but now it's taking to much to wait all this time [15:21] MaWaLe: I suggest you also apply to other Boards [15:21] yes I agree its taking long here [15:21] amachu: but like mentioned on the edward's rule : for the next and the third time when there's no quorum for an official meeting, the quorum needed is no more 50% [15:21] but without quorum we can't proceed. Hope you understand [15:22] amachu: actually i didn't have an internet connection at home so i can't attend to toher RB [15:22] this one fit perfectly with mu job time [15:22] i understand perfectly [15:23] MaWaLe: Thanks for that. [15:23] thanks for all of you [15:23] it was a pleasure and thank you for the reply amachu [15:25] The fourth Tuesday comes next week, and I will schedule the meeting at 10.00 UTC [15:25] will that be fine persia, Belutz? [15:25] Good for me. Please also send out an announcement to our Australian colleagues, so that we have a good chance of quorum. [15:25] fine with me [15:25] persia: yes. [15:26] Excellent then. Good night. [15:26] good night [15:26] fine. lets wind up for the day. [15:26] persia: Belutz: look out for your nominations for Board Member [15:26] :-) [15:27] Thank you everyone for participating [15:27] aamachu, thanks :) [15:27] thanks [15:27] persia, thanks :) [15:27] for all candidates, thanks for your understanding :) [15:27] =) [15:28] Belutz: I'm a regularI'm a regular now :p [15:28] :D [15:29] Belutz: can i speak to you in private please [15:30] MaWaLe, feel free to pm me :) [15:30] thx === mib_ua4w0h is now known as ALAYA === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === beuno_ is now known as beuno === fader is now known as fader|lunch === beuno_ is now known as beuno === mc44_ is now known as mc44 [16:58] * manjo waves [16:59] cooloney, waves [16:59] * smb_tp waves back [17:00] * amitk waves [17:00] Its about time for the Weekly Kernel Team IRC meeting [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is pgraner. [17:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:00] * apw hovers at the edge of your vision [17:01] [TOPIC] Open Items from last week [17:01] New Topic: Open Items from last week [17:01] ** Kubuntu meeting in #kubuntu-devel incase anyone is in here for it [17:01] * sconklin, bring up archiving of Hardy/Intrepid OEM LPIA trees after the sprint [17:02] * smb_tp remembers he still has to add some calendar entries [17:02] * sconklin, coordinate testing by the OEM team for Hardy and Jaunty lpia [17:02] pgraner: sconklin is out today [17:02] rtg: Understand, just for completeness. [17:03] awe: the OEM team testing and news? [17:03] * pgraner look at awe [17:03] no news...working on testing this week [17:03] awe: thanks can you send an email to kernel-team letting us know how it goes? [17:04] i'm bringing the hpmini up to the latest abi / oem-kernel first [17:04] will send an email when i've finished testing [17:04] [ACTION] awe to report back to kernel-team on LPIA testing status [17:04] ACTION received: awe to report back to kernel-team on LPIA testing status [17:04] * ogasawara, handle another call for testing for A6 [17:04] awe: so no pushing new commits then? [17:04] pgraner: sent email, although I'm concerned about the fact that Beta should have users testing via check box but that wasn't available for the A6 cft [17:04] yes the upload i expected to occur tue last week did not occur [17:05] ogasawara: yea, I found out about that yesterday, rtg is pushing the package, so we should send out a revised CFT [17:05] seems it needed some FF exception and so it being requested now [17:05] rt will puch the package as soon as apw delivers it [17:05] ogasawara: once the checkbox pkgs is uploaded [17:05] cking: correct [17:05] pgraner: ok good. I'll send another pre-beta cft when it's ready. [17:06] apw: can you let ogasawara know when to fire the CFT out since you working it behind the scenes? [17:06] yep [17:06] [ACTION] apw to inform ogasawara when revised CFT can go out [17:06] ACTION received: apw to inform ogasawara when revised CFT can go out [17:06] * apw and smb, look through the bugs ogasawara mentioned .... hows it going? [17:06] ack [17:07] We have one which is a bit tricky (the crash) [17:07] One is fixed by now [17:07] And one could go to manjo (he just isn't aware of it yet) [17:08] smb_tp, send it my way [17:08] ack [17:08] pgraner: from my end they look to be getting the proper attention [17:08] manjo, Its another Dell server hardware issue on Hardy [17:08] ok [17:09] [ACTION] smb to send manjo bug on Dell server hw issue on Hardy [17:09] ACTION received: smb to send manjo bug on Dell server hw issue on Hardy [17:09] is that the hibernate problem ? [17:09] ogasawara: thanks for the update [17:09] manjo, No some sort of sata3 disk [17:09] k [17:09] * apw, confirm the ack requirements for jaunty... not sure what this one is about [17:10] that one was done, in the last meeting and can be closed [17:10] apw: nice [17:10] * pgraner likes closed actions [17:10] just confirming we need one ACK for commit to Jaunty currently [17:10] [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Hardy - Intrepid [17:10] New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Hardy - Intrepid [17:10] * rtg has been slacking on that a bit [17:10] Hardy: Upload planned for tomorrow including [17:10] • rt: Updated PREEMPT_RT support to rt27 [17:10] • fix apparmor memory leak on deleted file ops [17:10] • KVM: MMU: Add locking around kvm_mmu_slot_remove_write_access() [17:10] • serial: 8250: fix shared interrupts issues with SMP and RT kernels [17:10] • 8250.c: port.lock is irq-safe [17:11] • ACPI: Clear WAK_STS on resume [17:11] Intrepid: Upload has been done, linux-meta needs to get through [17:11] CVE updates are currently being triaged and processed [17:11] Thats basically it [17:11] * pgraner is impressed with smb_tp cut n paste ability :-) [17:11] :-P [17:11] [TOPIC] Jaunty Status [17:11] New Topic: Jaunty Status [17:11] rtg: how we a lookin'? [17:12] an ABI bumper is coming today. [17:12] it contains ATI r6/r7 bits [17:12] 2.6.28.8 [17:12] and some other stuff [17:12] oh, and built in EHCI/UHCI/OHCI [17:12] ha! [17:13] rtg: OHCI too? [17:13] I think its looking pretty good. no serious problems that I know of. [17:13] rtg: any expected fall out from EHCI and friends? [17:13] actually, it ought to clear up some issues with USB transfer speeds. [17:13] As long as the link order is correct :) [17:13] essentially, its the same solution in the kernel that folks have employed in initramfs [17:14] That one will solve a lot of USB speed complaints [17:14] I think the biggest issues with Jaunty are ARM related at this point [17:14] * cking is encouraged by this [17:14] how widely is OHCI used? [17:14] rtg: will hit arm in a few min [17:14] AA and aufs do play well together [17:15] don't [17:15] ok, full stop [17:15] Jaunty Alpha 6 ... ogasawara how does it look from your standpoint? [17:16] will come back to that... [17:16] pgraner: looking good here, but seem to be getting more suspend resume bugs [17:16] ah [17:16] ogasawara: what type? hangs? [17:17] i get the feeling suspend/resume has not been that great ever and we are now [17:17] seeing the badness via the incoming bug stream as people switch over [17:17] pgraner: the ususal, failure to resume. and I think the increased bug reporting is because of the apport hooks [17:17] to jaunty. [17:18] From my experience the suspend/resume code in many drivers was an after-thought to catch up with the API [17:18] ogasawara: any way to tell if they are false positive? For example I have shut the lid (with it set to suspend) and then opened it immediately and I get the apport notification... anything like that? [17:18] IntuitiveNipple: I think most drivers have caught up wrt to suspend. [17:18] pgraner: I do see what seem to be false positives coming in too. I've tried to tag them "false-report" so we can investigate. [17:19] ogasawara: great... [17:19] ogasawara, yeah i have a couple of thoughts on that one [17:19] We have a few false positives based on the TEST_SUSPEND_SECONDS = 5 and I'm investigating what would be a sesnsible higher value to set that based on a collection of kern.log reports ogasawara collected from launchpad [17:19] if they are false we can start dup'ing them onto matt's original false one [17:19] It looks like increasing it to 9 or 10 would solve alot of those false positives [17:20] apw: sounds good [17:20] Well that lead us into the Suspend/Resume topic... which we just covered [17:20] [TOPIC] ARM [17:20] New Topic: ARM [17:21] amitk: what say you? [17:21] as rtg mentioned aufs and apparmor don't like each other [17:21] the AA and aufs issue that rtg was referring to ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/344370 [17:21] or rather AA doesn't like imx51 [17:21] Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/344370/+text) [17:22] bradF is looking at the problem [17:22] amitk: ok, any other show stoppers out there for ARM? [17:22] I'm concerned that the problem is something systemic. [17:22] I am working on finalising the imx51 configs for mobile team [17:23] amitk: thanks [17:23] pgraner: we have dying ttys on the babbage boards. That seems to be the major showstopper right now [17:23] amitk: I guess that keeps the end user experience short huh? [17:23] physical or virtual dying? [17:24] amitk: any theories on why/how etc...? [17:24] pgraner: yeah, a bit [17:24] compiling in AA causes problems, w/o it things are somewhat better [17:24] just somewhat? [17:25] amitk: have we reached out to upstream to see what they think? [17:25] cking: we don't know the next problem we'll encounter after that :) [17:25] pgraner: I've talked to John Johansen [17:25] pgraner: or the Freescale dudes? [17:25] he seemed to think it shouldn't happen [17:26] amitk: let me know if you need to talk to Freescale and I'll get some one on the line for you. [17:26] honestly, given our time constraints, we don't have the experience to track down the AA issue [17:26] John's explanation made it sound like it could be a fundamental problem. [17:26] so I am trying to bypass it for now [17:26] pgraner: thanks [17:27] amitk: ok, sounds like a solid plan forward for now [17:27] Since sconklin is not here we'll skip the lpia for this week, if there are no objections.... [17:28] * rtg has no objections [17:28] nope [17:28] [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs [17:28] New Topic: Incoming Bugs [17:28] ogasawara: your time to shine :-) [17:28] pgraner: I only have 2 to bring up and both seem to be getting looked at [17:28] bug 343556 - regression-potential but apw looks to be investigating [17:28] bug 212485 - hardy SRU that smb_tp looks to already be taking care of [17:28] Launchpad bug 343556 in linux "MacBook rev3: Wireless works in 8.10 but not in Jaunty" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343556 [17:28] Launchpad bug 212485 in linux "kernel bug rpc nfs client" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212485 [17:29] ogasawara: thanks... looks in order [17:29] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [17:29] New Topic: Open Discussion [17:29] Floor is open... [17:30] is ext4 going to be a default in jaunty ? [17:30] manjo: no [17:30] manjo: purely optional [17:30] current option is the chose manual partition to get ext4... [17:30] manjo: as planned [17:30] k [17:30] Any idea when we will see 2.6.29 go final? [17:31] we're seeing some complaints about ext4 [17:31] just some? [17:31] 175 on one report at last count :) [17:31] rtg, right, ext4 lost data ? [17:31] in my testing ext4 has major issues [17:31] pgraner: its already -rc8, so soon === fader|lunch is now known as fader [17:31] the next upload has some patches that change some behaviors to be closer to ext3 [17:32] rtg is that the patch kit to expedite the open modify rename stuff [17:32] I did so at apw's suggestion [17:32] ^^ [17:32] kde users will be happy [17:32] ogasawara: should we highlight the new ext4 patches and ask for some out of band testing for the willing? [17:32] the truncated files will be happier too :) [17:33] we will? [17:33] pgraner: sure, wouldn't hurt. [17:33] ogasawara: can you arrange? [17:33] pgraner: yup [17:33] [ACTION] ogasawara to issue CFT around ext4 data loss patches [17:33] ACTION received: ogasawara to issue CFT around ext4 data loss patches [17:34] manjo: (also you can boot with partman/default_filesystem=ext4 on the kernel command line, if that makes things more convenient for you while testing) [17:34] Riddell: yea, ext4 eats kde dot files and leave them zero length [17:34] pgraner, sorry, CFT = ? [17:34] call for testing [17:34] hi (sorry was locked in a meeting here...) [17:34] OK [17:34] Tonio_: kubuntu meeting in #k-d [17:34] cjwatson, thanks that works lot better [17:35] Anyone have other items... going once... twice [17:35] * rtg flees to another meeting [17:35] [TOPIC] Next Meeting [17:35] New Topic: Next Meeting [17:35] Same time and channel [17:35] ack [17:35] ack [17:35] ..different reality [17:35] ack [17:36] ack [17:36] ok [17:36] k [17:36] Thanks everyone! Appreciate it! === lieb_ is now known as lieb [17:36] thanks [17:36] #endmeeting [17:36] Meeting finished at 12:36. [17:36] thanks [17:36] * smb_tp shuffles away === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [22:29] @schedule berlin [23:02] juliux: FYI, ubottu no longer manages the schedule. Look at the gcal === asac_ is now known as asac [23:59] nhandler: Have you time for a couple of FFes?