[00:02] hey guys, (the noob back :)), i have a general question about where to mount my share dir for the mass my files on my raid. I know it's probably just a personal preference but is there a typical location to mnt my raid to share it on my home network? [00:04] default mount location for ubuntu is /media/yourdrive [00:05] nfs and stuff like that, I'll do an /export/home or something like that [00:06] krutch.local:/home 2.4T 1.4T 911G 60% /export/home [00:06] 8) [00:08] when i set it up i can make it where my mac see //servername/dirname ? Because I have all my music mapped to a certain path and I don't feel like repoint over 6.5k worth of music (and no that isn't 6.5k memory size, that's number of music files) [00:21] IMO you ought to use /srv/nfs or /srv/ [00:22] Since /export is not part of the FHS 2.3. [00:29] Yeah, /srv/foo or /mnt/foo rather than /foo [00:29] I'm not up on the specs for what goes on in /media [00:31] hads: /media is for removable media; /mnt is for temporary mounts [00:31] e.g. "argh, let me just mount one of the RAID1 nodes directly with -o ro for some debugging" [00:31] *temporary sysadmin mounts, that is [00:32] Yeah, I though /media was mostly for removeable stuff [00:32] if it is for you on your box, you can make it /mydamnmount for the fhs matters :) [00:33] True. Though /srv would be the correct place. [00:37] i'm alittle confused with the /srv? was that directed to me? [00:41] oh, so it should be /srv/dirname ? then I can share it as //servername/dirname ? [00:51] jlc: you might find that things like updatedb.conf default to doing the Right Thing if you follow the FHS. [00:51] For example, updatedb skips all of /media and /mnt by default. [00:52] But if you mount a removable drive at /im-in-a-hurry-dammit, updatedb will read the entire drive. [00:52] lol [00:52] yeah [00:52] Just that bit me on the arse recently because another admin was "clever" and made backup mount points in /b/ and /bb/. [00:54] sounded like sparky was doing it at home, so it didn't matter [00:54] i use export/home at home from my solaris days [00:54] yea, it's for my home server [00:54] just like calling partitions slices [00:54] :) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [01:02] is 1024MB of ram enough for a computer to run ubuntu hardy server? [01:02] thinking of buying: DELL GX280 SFF P4 3.4GHz 80GB [01:02] is that enough to install nagios on? [01:04] kansan: there's no generic advise on specs -- it all depends on the load on the server [01:04] advice* [01:05] nagios will run on 64 or 128 MB of ram probably ... not that I'd recommend it for production [01:05] giovani3: you wouldn't recommend nagios for production? [01:05] twb: read what I said [01:05] twb: I was clearly referring to the amount of ram [01:05] giovani3: you said "it"; it's not clear which "it" you're- OK. [01:05] It wasn't clear to me. [01:05] heh [01:06] nope, nagios is nice for production work, I've been meaning to finish up that book, "Pro Nagios 2.0" [01:06] other things got in the way mid-read [01:06] kansan: 1GiB of RAM is adequate for *some* roles. It depends what the server will be doing. [01:06] hey i have a quick question, what is the command to see what php version i have installed? [01:08] twb, i want to install nagios on it and use it to monitor production websites [01:08] kansan: and will the host be doing anything *other* than nagios? [01:08] and also, to runa configuration management server called chef [01:08] mister2: php -v I presume [01:08] that has apache as a front end [01:08] thanks, will try it [01:09] mister2: in general, -v is used to print the version of applications -- when in doubt, read the manpage ("man php" in this case) [01:09] dpkg -l | grep php [01:10] what would my ideal box specs be if i want to run: nagios, chef-server, apache (only to connect to chef, a ruby based configuration management server) [01:12] kansan: I haven't done that before, but I'm guessing 1GiB would be adequate. [01:13] kansan: usually it's easy to stuff in up to 4GiB, so you have an easy upgrade for RAM if that turns out to be inadqeuate. [01:13] 1GB should be plenty to start at least ... unless you're monitoring 100+ hosts in nagios [01:13] no i'm just monitoring like 10 [01:13] you'll be more than fine then [01:14] however, apache can be a ram hog [01:14] ok good to know [01:14] I'd advise, honestly, against running apache just to provide yourself web management [01:14] but, obviously that's up to you [01:15] web management is eeeeevil [01:16] Even Windows have MMS instead. [01:16] yeah, except windows isn't any better [01:16] it renders all of the management consoles using html :) [01:17] jle and twb: I didn't understand the deal with updatedb.conf, and how that plays with FHS [01:34] sparky_: don't worry about it [01:35] sparky_: it's just big boys talk [01:35] I should say "grown up" talk ;-) [01:35] i'm trying to learn that too, lol [01:36] Hey all, How do I stop mail to root@localhost its messing up my postfix stats, it seems to be triggered every time a cron job is fired.....??? [01:37] so for setting up a home file server mnt my raid in /mnt or /srv would be better? [01:46] trentster: fix /etc/alias [01:47] trentster: i.e. add an alias root: trentster@example.com [01:47] trentster: note that cron only emails you if something is broken [01:48] twb, its showing me that the import of awstats log file completed., its starnage beacuase on the cronjob entry at the end of the line i have ">> /dev/null 2>&1" [01:49] That should be >, not >> [01:49] Not that redirecting all output from a crontab entry is a good thing... [01:49] hmm ok let me change it and see [01:49] It'd be better to use --quiet or similar. [01:50] twb, thanks, I dont have much experience with cron entries....to use "--quiet" do I just apend to end of the line....eg my cron entry is as follows. [01:50] "*/5 * * * * awk 'NF>5{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++){if(i>8&&i+9 /var/log/xferlog1 >> /dev/null 2>&1" [01:51] Ow. [01:51] it would probably be better to place the awk statement into a script file I gather [01:51] it seems to only be emailing STDERR [01:51] which is fine [01:52] no? [01:52] giovani3, I dont want anything going through postfix logs as it screws up my awstats [01:53] yeah, I can't even follow what's going on in that code :) [01:53] too dense for 10pm [01:54] lol [02:04] giovani3, ok the mail from that line says "/bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' any ideas how to silence this? [02:04] What is the best groupware i can install on ubuntu ? [02:04] trentster: well, that's an error -- so fixing it would silence it, or you could stop sending errors to yourself [02:05] giovani3, I know, I just dont know how to fix it.......I did not write the awk statement.....so I dont know why its giving an error, It is working and doing want it needs to do tho [02:06] trentster: who wrote it? [02:07] giovani3, an irc helper [02:23] Haha [04:46] hello doginize [04:46] hi, ball [06:07] I've got a postfix server going, it was working fine then I tried to add spam-assassin to the mix and now nothing works. I'm getting an error "line 96: bad transport type: -o" for the master.cf file. line 96 is a blank line. any suggestions? [06:14] anybody have any ideas at all...? === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux [06:44] moin [08:06] i'm working on a server running cups, but I cant find /usr/share/cups/model. Where is the ppd files listed in ubuntu 8.10? [08:28] Found them. /usr/share/ppd/ :) [08:30] If you want a list of all installed ones, "lpinfo -m". [08:31] For some reason that takes ages to run, I'm not sure why [08:31] Actually it might be loading the printer name out of every PPD === CrummyGummy is now known as knowitall === knowitall is now known as CrummyGummy === nijaba` is now known as nijaba [09:27] i upgraded from server dapper to hardy (everything went smooth :) but the prompt for regular users is screwed. My PS1 is "${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;31m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$" and the root prompt is ok, but any other user literally prints the PS1 variable instead of using selected dirs and colors [09:28] damn, that was an ugly text. Anyways, any clue on why all the users prompts (except root) aren't obeying PS1? [09:36] my ssh password and username should be the same as i use to login ot my host machine right? === cemc1 is now known as cemc [10:04] okkare: yes [10:10] doesn't seem to work :( [10:10] thefish [10:10] so you can log in locally on the machine with your username and password, but not over ssh? [10:11] how do i specify the username [10:11] ssh username@host [10:11] thanks [10:13] worked :D do you know how to set up a folder to be shared via samba as well by any chance [10:13] via ssh [10:13] say i want to set / to be shared [10:14] okkare: thats probably not a brilliant idea [10:14] i realize that but it would be so much easier for me XD [10:14] check the default samba config, and modify the demo share to suit you [10:15] ok [10:15] okkare: as your attorney, i recommend sharing /srv/smb instead [10:15] and last question, where is the htaccess/www folder? [10:15] why would you want / shared over samba? [10:16] the default webroot for apache on ubuntu is /var/www but it can be wherever you lke [10:16] oh yeah, thought it was etc/www for some reason [10:16] i want to share /var/www then [10:17] fair enough [10:17] okkare: http://www.subvs.co.uk/linux_web_and_file_server_for_windows_users [10:18] thanks [10:19] since you're so helpful :D here's another [10:20] if i have a 1.4ghz, 512md ram, 400kb/s uploadspeed server, how many hits could it handle per hour, with wordpress [10:20] 14 [10:20] 15 on tuesdays [10:20] :P [10:21] any idea? [10:21] check out some stress testing tools [10:21] you also need to add another variable there [10:21] acceptable page load time [10:22] right [10:22] install apache2-utils, and i think there is an app called ab in there (apache benchmark tool) [10:22] i'll try that [10:23] but think it could handle 5000+ [10:23] and load in less than 5 sec [10:24] You just pcik that number arbitrarily? [10:24] that's about what i got with one of my sites hosted elsewhere [10:25] okkare: was that on a dedicated server? [10:25] yeah, with a hosting company [10:25] fair enough [10:25] remember that network speed will also change things [10:25] yeah [10:26] could i handle that with what i have? [10:26] so if you only have a 10M internet connection, it will probably be less than the isp who probably had 100 [10:26] mine's like 400kbs [10:26] adsl? [10:26] cable [10:26] that will probably bork out before your apache does [10:27] yeah, that's gonna be the bottleneck [10:27] in fact it would be safe to wager a small amount of money on that fact [10:27] or large, depending on how risk averse you are [10:27] haha, i guess is hould buy some more [10:28] or hack my modem ;) [10:28] heh [10:29] oh wait, my isp now says it's 1mbs [10:29] Mbps that is [10:29] or is it [10:30] that will be your downstream [10:30] hmm well my dad works for the cable co, so maybe he can pull some strings [10:30] why not stay with an isp? [10:30] nope, the download is 15Mbps [10:30] k [10:31] the cable co is the isp [10:31] i mean a dedicated server [10:32] with a nice 100M network connection [10:32] oh, i see [10:33] i guess i just want the expirience [10:33] fair enough [10:33] plus i'll never have to move big files via ftp and all that [10:33] but i dont think you will sustain 5k hits per hour on that line [10:36] :( [12:04] okkare - there is some seriously cheap hosting out there eh. we use dreamhost here [12:05] virtual servers, you get a terminal interface, can run pretty much any app but they prefer you to stick to web services if you can [12:05] i don't have money though :/ [12:05] not even like $15 a month? [12:05] okay fair enough [12:06] certainly not [12:06] i had loads of fun just with IIS on my home line, then apache later [12:06] i saw you were using wordpress which i assume is php [12:07] yeah, but i also use magento [12:07] remember that php and your probably mysql backend cache frequent requests so your cpu load is even less than what you'd calculate [12:08] yeah, bandwidth will be my enemy i think [12:08] i think my video card is fried right now... woe is me [12:08] so I'm using my regular desktop as the server [12:08] noes... i have a collection of half-fried cards that will work in a pinch but arent dead enough to throw away [12:08] i also have an exam in 9 hours so i'm out, 'night [12:09] haha mail me one! [12:09] see you [12:19] hmm i read that guide and didn't really get how to make var/www shared [12:48] i need to set up /var/www to be shared using samba, anyone know how [12:48] i just installed USE [12:51] okkare, is the machine joined to an active directory domain or using local users and groups? Also, will the shares need to be accessed outside of your lan? [12:51] everything is default, and lan [12:52] Oh, so LAN only? [12:53] yepp [12:54] okkare, this should get you started: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#Samba%20Server%20Manual%20Configuration [12:55] okkare, what web developing software do your people use? [12:56] i use dreamweaver but i'll probably switch to something open source soon [12:56] Most IDE's have sftp hooks to edit/upload pages in them, then all you need to do is enable sshd and utilize the filesystem permissions. [12:56] oh really? [12:57] neat [12:57] Yeah, doublechecking with dreamweaver.... [13:01] okkare, doublecheck this with your documentation, but it looks like in the "New Site" dialog, you would select ftp, but there is a checkbox that says to "Use Secure FTP (SFTP)". [13:02] and that just needs ssh to work? [13:03] Yeah [13:03] sshd, okkare, not just ssh [13:04] ubottu, tell okkare about !sshd [13:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about !sshd [13:04] * Pres-Gas shakes fist at ubuttu [13:04] is that operating by default on USE 8.10? [13:09] okkare, you would have to see if you have the openssh-server installed or see if "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh status" gives you anything. [13:09] yeah, that's installed [13:10] i'm using it atm [13:26] join ubuntu-meeting [13:27] oops [13:27] hehee [13:27] Hi, I am having problems with ALC for OpenLDAP, when I run the command [13:27] ldapmodify -x -D cn=admin,cn=config -W -f acl-del.ldif [13:28] i get the error: ldapmodify: wrong attributeType at line 3, entry "olcDatabase={1}hdb,cn=config" [13:28] I have used sudo and also root. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong [13:28] okkare, then what you may want to do is create a group like webdev, then add your web developers to that...then make your sites group owned by webdev. You will not want to change the user ownership. [13:29] sLaeYa: can you pastebin the contents of acl-del.ldif? [13:29] so i don't go and edit smb.conf? [13:30] dn: olcDatabase={1}hdb,cn=config [13:30] delete: olcAccess [13:30] olcAccess: to attrs=userPassword,shadowLastChange by dn="cn=admin,dc=example,dc$ [13:30] olcAccess: to dn.base="" by * read [13:30] olcAccess: to * by dn="cn=admin,dc=example,dc=tld" write by * read [13:30] sorry ssh was in a small screen ill paste it again [13:30] dn: olcDatabase={1}hdb,cn=config [13:30] delete: olcAccess [13:30] olcAccess: to attrs=userPassword,shadowLastChange by dn="cn=admin,dc=example,dc=tld" write by anonymous auth by self write by * none [13:30] olcAccess: to dn.base="" by * read [13:30] olcAccess: to * by dn="cn=admin,dc=example,dc=tld" write by * read [13:31] !pastbin [13:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin [13:31] !pastebin [13:31] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [13:31] oh ok, sorry. [13:31] XD [13:31] sLaeYa: are you just trying to remove all ACLs? I assume so you can change the order? [13:32] okkare, I almost missed your reply ;) No, you would not need to edit smb.conf [13:32] sLaeYa: you might try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/132480/ [13:33] hmm ok [13:33] to be honest sommer, I think I'm in over my head, I'm attempting to setup a postfix virtual hosting server with ldap backend. [13:34] !serverguide [13:34] The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ [13:34] sLaeYa: there's a section on both LDAP and postfix in the serverguide [13:34] sLaeYa: you may need more in depth information though [13:34] hmm well i got "private" to show up, pres-gas, by adding it to the smb.conf [13:35] but there's an error [13:35] i'll work it out [13:35] Keep hammering away, okkare! :) [13:36] sommer, I actually found a comprehensive guide for installing it on ubuntu intrepid, which I have been following but have found no-one who could help me, however it would appear you have just fixed my problem. [13:37] sLaeYa: party! [13:37] yay got it to work [13:37] okkare, ssh or smb? [13:38] thanks for your help [13:38] sLaeYa: np [13:44] hi [13:45] how can I send a file to my ubuntu-server [13:49] Where do you want to send it from fevel ? [13:49] from a macbook on the same network [13:50] is there a particular method you want to send it by, do you have ssh setup, or ftp, or samba ? [13:58] !computers [13:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about computers [13:58] !anything [13:58] So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone. [13:58] XD [14:08] sorry for the delay sLaeYa, ssh would be better [14:13] okkare, you said you got your setup working...with sshd or smb? [14:14] smb, although i can't write [14:14] That is not helpful, eh? [14:14] not really :/ [14:26] fevel you could sue sftp ? [14:27] use* [14:27] Does sftp have any money? [14:29] I don't know what you mean by that ball [14:29] Play on words, sLaeYa [14:30] sLaeYa: I was joking because you typed "sue" instead of "use" [14:30] You said sue...to litigate for money [14:30] * ball nods [14:30] Sorry, its just gone past midnight and I've been batteling to keep my eyes open, although I know I have to sort this silly server somehow [14:33] so I have this LDAP server - or believe I have it setup and when I come to adding a user I am presented with Auth Failure http://paste.ubuntu.com/132508/ Am I doing something wrong? Do I need more coffee? [14:36] sLaeYa: are dc=example,dc=tld [14:36] sLaeYa: already created in the directory? [14:37] to see this wouldn't I have to use "ldap search" ? [14:38] sLaeYa: yeppers: ldapsearch -xLLL is usually what I use [14:39] No such object (32) [14:42] try ldapsearch -xLLL -b dc=example,dc=tld [14:43] i get the same response [14:43] sLaeYa: you can edit /etc/ldap/ldap.conf to set the basedn and connection [14:44] sLaeYa: it's not created then... try ldapsearch -xLLL -b dc=nodomain [14:44] same again :s [14:45] oops [14:45] here is /etc/ldap/ldap.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/132519/ [14:46] sLaeYa: is there anything in the directory yet? cause if not you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure slapd and set the base [14:46] I dont have anything in slapd directory [14:47] sLaeYa: I'd just run the dpkg-reconfigure then... you should then be able to add entries [14:47] do you mind if i give you a link to the readme I'm following ? [14:49] sLaeYa: it must be dated... the serverguide OpenLDAP section is updated for Intrepid [14:49] yes I guess your right, I'm just reading some of the comments on the bottom of it now [14:50] sLaeYa: I'd recommend following the serverguide for the openldap part, then the other guide when it comes to postfix configuration... or at least the postfix ldap configuration [14:50] you might use the serverguide instructions for the base postfix config, then ldap after everything is working [14:52] !serverguide [14:53] The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ [14:53] mathiaz: I won't be able to make the meeting today. Enjoy. [14:58] is there a way to delete my old database sommer ? [14:58] sLaeYa: dpkg-reconfigure will take care of that [14:59] I am getting an error when making the new one because the way I have setup my last one - http://paste.ubuntu.com/132526/ - the reconfigure didn't and I've run it a couple of times with the different options [15:00] sLaeYa: do you have an ou=people? [15:00] no [15:00] sLaeYa: you'll need to create that first [15:01] New bug: #344281 in samba (main) "CIFS kernel bug crashes system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344281 [15:04] need to update the meeting time on the fridge - still says 16:00 utc [15:04] ok - let's get the Ubuntu Server Team meeting started here [15:04] \o/ [15:04] o/ [15:05] thats not shown in the serverguide part I'm reading, is there a different part in the server guide on how to create those ? [15:05] since there is a conflict with the Asia Membership board [15:05] * ball waves [15:05] I didn't get time to read the agenda [15:05] and we'll be in the same situation next week again [15:05] so - let's get the server team meeting started [15:05] #startmeeting [15:05] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [15:06] nealmcb: thanks! [15:06] Oh. I guess I won't miss the meeting then. [15:06] :) [15:06] Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090310 [15:06] o/ [15:07] o- [15:07] I don't seen any specific items from last week [15:08] anyone has anything to add regarding topics discussed last week [15:08] ? [15:08] Documentation for Eucalyptus in Ubuntu [15:08] mathiaz: we delayed the screen-profiles talk until zul got back [15:08] kirkland: ok - I'll add to today's agenda [15:09] mathiaz: I would like to talk about likewise-open5 [15:09] mathiaz: i'd also like to discuss testing kvm-84 in hardy [15:09] hi === scfh_ is now known as scfh [15:09] ttx: ok [15:09] kirkland: ok [15:09] so as an item from last week or an item for this week, your choice :) [15:10] [TOPIC] KVM backport in hardy [15:10] kirkland: ^^ ? [15:10] mathiaz: i'd like to ask for some assistance testing a kvm-84 package that i've prepared for hardy [15:10] mathiaz: its available in a PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa [15:10] mathiaz: here's the basic premise ... [15:11] mathiaz: hardy shipped with kvm-62 [15:11] kirkland: When you have a tested backport and you need it approved, feel free to ping me. [15:11] ScottK: understood, thanks. [15:11] ScottK: kvm is such an important package, i'm asking for a bit more extensive testing that what i can do alone [15:12] also, we're talking about more than just applying a couple of bug fixes... [15:12] we're talking about taking hardy's kvm from kvm-62 to kvm-84 [15:12] there's both a kernel piece, and a userspace element [15:12] kirkland: +1 for lots of testing. [15:12] kirkland: ie the goal is to prepare an SRU for kvm in hardy? [15:13] just a quesiton how are you going to backport the virtio stuff in the hardy kernel for kvm [15:13] these can be upgraded independently, though I'm suggesting we backport both [15:13] mathiaz: yes, SRU which actually provides a major version bump [15:13] zul: kvm-source provides the kernel space bits [15:13] Ah. If it's SRU, then not mine to approve. [15:14] zul: that package is a dkms-built kernel module [15:14] i'm getting sidetracked here .... [15:14] kirkland: heh ill talk to you about it after [15:14] so the key points are that we believe that kvm-62 has become unsupportable [15:14] there are a number of design flaws in that version of kvm that are fixed later versions === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away [15:15] as such, these are major architectural changes that cannot be fixed with backported patches [15:15] this information comes directly from the upstream maintainers [15:16] so i propose that we either need to compose a lengthy list of 'won't fix' and 'can't do' items for hardy's kvm [15:16] (such as SMP guests) [15:16] or consider a major version bump [15:17] i know that at least myself and mathiaz are running kvm-84 under hardy [15:17] both kernel and userspace bits, right mathiaz ? [15:17] (i'm running both) [15:17] kirkland: yes [15:17] thats fine with me but if you do consider a major version bump then you will want to get the kernel team involved and get their opinon as well [15:17] so there is some basic, measurable amount of success [15:17] zul: absolutely, agreed. [15:17] zul: or, we need to recommend that people use kvm-source for their kvm kernel module [15:18] mathiaz: that's basically all.... [15:18] the virtio stuff that hardy has already concerns me a bit though [15:18] mathiaz: i'll compose a blog post, asking for testing of those packages [15:18]