[00:07] hmm, some fonts in konqueror have turned non anti-aliased [00:12] hey Riddell [00:13] bonsoir NCommander [00:13] Riddell, could you do another NEW processing for me? [00:14] Tonio_: OK, I made sure everything applied correctly [00:14] JontheEchidna: great, uploading :) [00:14] NCommander: what's new? [00:14] Riddell, redboot-imx :-) [00:14] (did you see what I did there?) [00:14] Tonio_: I'm pushing now [00:14] Riddell, (I'll owe you a beer or three for this) [00:16] * vorian thinks Riddell never sleeps [00:16] * NCommander suspects that true [00:17] daylight savings hasn't hit the other side of the pond yet [00:18] oh, so it's only midnight [00:18] :P [00:18] i'm already longing for sleep [00:23] JontheEchidna: I'm testing upgrading from Intrepid to Jaunty (re gtk2-engines-qtcurve/kde-style-qtcurve). Just after the upgrade, FF looks ugly - no styling (even from the old gtk-qt-engine).. both packages are installed (gtk-qt-engine (old) and gtk2-engines-qtcurve/kde-style-qtcurve). Rebooting the VM now. [00:24] gtj-qt-engine didn't work by default until you install libonoboui or something [00:26] well, it worked before the upgrade (in Intrepid). or do you mean in Jaunty? [00:27] in intrepid [00:28] but it did.. but the dist-upgrade (without restart) broke it. [00:28] hmm [00:28] that would be a bug then I guess [00:29] in gtk-qt-engine? [00:29] is anyone working on digikam and kipi plugins? [00:29] and woohoo.. it uses gtk2-engines-qtcurve now.. :) [00:30] nixternal: Lure is [00:30] groovy [00:30] JontheEchidna: everything uploaded, wonderfull work :) [00:30] digikam is the greatest KDE app ever! I mean ever! [00:30] You're welcome :) [00:31] JontheEchidna: you should apply for core-dev... aren't sick of asking for sponsor uploads ? :) [00:31] Yeah, somewhat [00:31] JontheEchidna: you should try at least... [00:32] ^ [00:32] JontheEchidna: what do you think should I file? the breakage before restarting is forgivable I think. The other issue I've mentioned has been removing the old gtk-qt-engine package (e.g. by means of Replaces). I like that the default gets changed. [00:32] NCommander: this package is a maze of twisty licencing passages [00:32] Riddell, I've been writing the copyright file for the better part of two days. [00:32] yay for twisty licensing passages :) [00:33] Believe it or not, its shorter than when it was original. [00:33] blueyed: I think a replaces would be appropriate, as long as they don't conflict each other [00:33] ok. should I file that for gtk2-engines-qtcurve then? [00:33] yup [00:34] NCommander: 4 clause BSD, does any of that code link against any of the GPL code? [00:34] why does 'bzr pull' require a password? I can understand push, but pull? that is silly [00:34] nixternal: I know, it's silly [00:34] I think we should also put shlib-deps back in on gtk-qt-engines since it's not on the CD anymore and it somewhat broken without it. I'll do that tomorrow I guess [00:34] Riddell, yes, but see the GPL exception clause [00:35] nixternal: if it connects by ssh it'll need access [00:35] NCommander: I counter your exception clause with my +4 dark shlib mace of BSD [00:35] nixternal, its a quirk in the way bzr handles lp: paths [00:36] is that new? [00:36] nixternal: if you're truly annoyed, you can edit foo/.bzr/branch/branch.conf [00:37] dtchen, he can just do bzr pull -r *http path* [00:37] NCommander: indeed; i just change branch.conf to use http or bzr instead of bzr+ssh or lp [00:37] oh [00:38] JontheEchidna: about kde/qtcurve [00:38] JontheEchidna: wouldn't it make sense renaming kde-style-qtcurve to qt-style-qtcurve [00:38] NCommander: that exception makes the result non-GPL, whyever would someone want to do that? [00:38] I mean why not just use BSD [00:38] JontheEchidna: and also kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig to kde-style-qtcurve [00:38] ?? [00:38] Tonio_: Yeah, that probably would make sense [00:38] dtchen: ya, that is what I do when I finally get annoyed with it [00:39] just change the parent_location [00:39] JontheEchidna: strange to me that the kde- thing is for qt, and the kdeconfig suffixed thing is the kde theme :) [00:39] Riddell, I have no clue, except for the "source must be available" bit [00:39] would be nice if ~/.bazaar/config had the ability to tell it to pull from https and push to ssh [00:39] JontheEchidna: but this means kde4 is parsing qt styles now ? [00:40] JontheEchidna: I just discovered the kde4 real one, but was able to use the qt one... [00:40] Yeah, I think it does [00:40] you just get extra goodies that come from linking with KDE from -kdeconfig [00:40] like the kwin theme [00:40] which probably should be in its own package but would be a real pain to split out [00:40] if not impossible [00:41] okay, makes sense [00:41] basically we build the thing twice, hiding build-deps on the first one [00:41] then maybe kde-style-qtcurve should provide qt-style-qtcurve [00:41] just for people searching for a qt style... [00:42] * ScottK hides his eyes from the evil. [00:42] ScottK: I was about to say the same :) that's rude !! [00:42] JontheEchidna: that's pretty crap no ? [00:42] ;-) [00:42] Tonio_: I think Qt can do KDE themes now too [00:42] maybe we could just drop the Qt only theme? [00:42] JontheEchidna: why not building once and just try to split out ? ;) [00:43] we could switch over the cdbs [00:43] Tonio_: because if it finds kde it won't build Qt only [00:43] JontheEchidna: if no double build, then yes, cdbs would make sense :) [00:43] I think we can drop the qt-only one, since it seems that Qt now does KDE themes in 4.5 [00:43] evil-- [00:44] ah.... then if qt does kde themes, maybe we can do that, and just split out the theme from the tools... [00:44] and keep the same naming policy [00:44] JontheEchidna: wouldn't that be okay ? [00:44] Yeah, I think so [00:44] okay [00:44] should we also separate the kwin theme? [00:44] JontheEchidna: I'll be on contrib day on friday, I'll have time to look at that... [00:44] kwin-style-qtcurve [00:44] * Tonio_ adds to his todo list [00:44] great :) [00:45] yeah, a kwin theme would make sense, indeed [00:45] * Tonio_ is asking if we shouldn't consider using qtcurve by default for kde.... [00:45] oxygen is nice, but nothing is better than a real unified theme... [00:47] NO, use Skulpture [00:47] lol [00:47] all that money and he can't afford a real connection? :p [00:47] Klearlooks! [00:48] wth [00:48] S K U L P T U R E [00:48] * JontheEchidna wonders what klearlooks looks like [00:48] er [00:48] I don't even think I have looked at that [00:48] Motif for default!!1!!! [00:48] YES! [00:48] Motif +100 [00:48] then no gtk-qt-engine! [00:48] unified ugly [00:48] :P [00:48] lol [00:48] Redmond [00:49] I think they renamed that to Windows [00:49] Skulpture is #2 on KDE-Look right behind dekorator which is a bit much for a new user [00:49] Skulpture even looks good in GTK stuff.. [00:50] speaking of which, how the heck can I get rid of the current GTK theme? I have set it to use my KDE theme but taht doesn't work [00:50] wth [00:50] I did set it, it went back to QtCurve [00:51] Haha, knetworkconf was pretty sucky even before it was totally broken [00:51] half of the bug reports in kdeadmin are about it [00:53] WTF [00:54] why can't I change the GTK theme stuff from QtCurve to use my KDE theme? [00:54] because startkde changes it to qtcurve on every startup [00:54] serious? [00:54] srs [00:54] we hardcoded that change? [00:54] we hardcoded it for gtk-qt-engine too, apparently [00:55] now that is frickin' annoying [00:55] * nixternal searches for reasoning [00:55] * vorian points at JontheEchidna [00:55] and runs [00:55] * JontheEchidna didn't do it :P [00:55] lies [00:55] I was going to point at Tonio_ :) [00:56] ok, that works too [00:56] the craziest french dude in the world! [00:56] nixternal: okay let's make it clear : [00:56] _ [00:56] ___ _ _ (_) [00:56] / _ \| || || | [00:56] \___/ \_,,_||_| [00:56] of which I am still waiting on how to make someone mad :p [00:56] vorian: that last thing in whatever you just did, looks a bit much fallace to me [00:57] :o [00:57] it won't harm gnome users, which is cool [00:57] well, I blame ascii [00:57] and it's done a nice and clean way, using .kde/env/ [00:57] ahh, so I can change that then? [00:57] but yeah, I have no other way to make it default than forcing it [00:58] nixternal: comment out the portion of code doing this in /usr/bin/startkde [00:58] nixternal: and also remove .kde/env/*blabla*.sh [00:58] gotcha [00:59] thank you sir [00:59] nixternal: maybe as kubuntu-desktop only recommends the theme, I can do better [00:59] should i file bugs for networkmanager+vpnc in jaunty-a6 or is it just not ready atm? [00:59] if the package isn't installed, then no copy... and eventually clean out the users .kde/env [01:00] knusperfrosch: no infos concerning vpnc... [01:00] Riddell, so how comes the review? [01:00] oh [01:00] nixternal: so that if you don't want it anymore, just remove the package and that's it... would you prefer that ? [01:00] yup [01:00] okay let's fix then :) [01:01] NCommander: I approved it [01:01] because if I change startkde or remove that file, everytime it comes through for update I have 7 choices to pick from :) [01:01] Thanks Riddell, your the best. [01:02] Tonio_: nm-plasmoid->manage connections->vpn, add a vpnc connection, enter what ever you want, it gets lost as you hit ok. second tab of that dialog: check any box, the textinput won't be enabled. [01:02] Riddell: we're patching startkde for things specific to kubuntu (and k-d-s especially) [01:02] Riddell: to make it clean, shouldn't we provide our own startkde binary in kubuntu-default-settings and dpkg-divert it ? [01:02] Riddell: some people might want to install kde without our specific work in it... [01:03] Tonio_: that sounds hard to maintain, we should make sure any patches don't affect people without k-d-s [01:03] Riddell: hum... not harder than maintaining the patches for startkde, imho, don't you agree ? [01:04] new startkde -> kds change instead of porting the patches.... well I don't know... [01:05] keeping a fork of code is a bad idea [01:06] Riddell: or maybe having our own script in kds package kde then and just patch startkde to execute this script if it exists ? [01:07] Riddell: that would probaby make both our changes and the startkde patch easier to maintain, I think... [01:07] Riddell: any opinion on this ? [01:08] what's hard to maintain about our patches to startkde? [01:09] Riddell: nothing, simply I'm fine with having a clear separation between kde and kubuntu specific things [01:10] Riddell: we basically have only one patch and it's only code addition... that's why I think external execution would be better, just my 2 cents :) [01:19] there's a user in #kubuntu with an interesting bug [01:20] with kde 4.1 or 4.2 the resolution that's set in System Settings -> Display is not applied on login, but it is remembered in the Display part. they have to go to Display and hit "apply" every time they login. [01:23] ...and now everybody shuts up :-| [01:27] lol [01:28] that stupid display thing has never worked for me, so I wouldn't be of much help...I am still a manual tweaker of xorg.conf [01:28] though with Intel, you don't have to mess with that garbage [01:30] maco: running krandrtray at startup should work as a workaround [01:30] bug 268434 [01:30] Launchpad bug 268434 in kdebase-workspace "Screen Resolution is not being restored after relogin" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268434 [01:30] ya, krandrtray actually works [01:30] since when you load krandrtray it loads the kde screen config [01:31] just having it started at startup should be all it takes [01:31] ok [01:32] is krandrtray *supposed* to load on each logn [01:33] or is having it do so a workaround for ? [01:33] that's a workaround [01:34] ok [01:41] For what? [01:44] for kde not remembering the resolution set in systemsettings on login [01:48] huh. here's something xchat-gnome does that quassel would be lovely if it did: let me click on the user's name in the chat window (not just the nick windows) to send them a PM [01:50] The Dell mini actually has a few kde apps by default, neat [01:51] kworldclock, khangman [01:51] potato guy [01:52] ktouch [01:53] kde3 versions though ;-) [02:06] dtchen: did you collide with seele on your way in? [02:09] supah collidah [02:10] supah hahdrahn colliah [02:11] s/ia/ida/ [02:11] lol [02:26] hey, I kinda talk like that :) [02:54] Riddell: you might have run in to bug 344629 [02:54] Launchpad bug 344629 in fontconfig "Subpixel rendering for some fonts in Firefox and Konqueror is disabled after a fontconfig update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344629 [03:05] * JontheEchidna sleeps [05:05] How can I request an official ubuntu-members source branch of kdegames on launchpad? https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/kdegames/trunk seems to be keeping a trunk up to date, but... ? [05:08] Get a ppa? === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [08:25] Riddell: is the updated panel package in todays iso? [09:13] Riddell: ping [09:24] humm.. after a recent update startkde seems to have some syntax errors [09:24] line 204, replace "&&" with "] && [" [09:24] it broke GTK themes :/ [09:25] that's a feature, not a bug :) [09:25] really? :p [09:25] scnr [09:25] My GTK apps are unstyled now [09:41] i'm reading http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE [09:41] where do the source files go? [09:41] guess i can locate them when i download them [09:42] wouldn't developing neon make my system unstable? [09:42] because i use neon apps i think [09:42] or.. maybe not.. [09:42] not sure where kde 4.2 was downloaded from, i used the instructions on kubutu.org [09:43] must have been neon [09:43] no. [09:43] neon is for nightly build [09:43] oh, where from then? [09:43] if you're using a stable release of KDE, you're not using neon [09:44] from the Kubuntu-Experimental PPA [09:44] i followed the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 [09:45] the only ppa.launchpad.net lines i see in sources.list is neon [09:45] s/is/are [09:46] so, smarter, is that stable? [09:46] because it's now in intrepid-backports :p) [09:46] forgot that we moved them here from the ppa [09:46] hey Tonio_ [09:46] so, it's considered stable? [09:47] it being the instructions which i used to install kde 4.2 [09:47] astrobear: read the instructions [09:48] it's not officially supported, but it's supposed to be stable, yes [09:49] okay stable for use, but when i'm developing on them... it can't be stable [09:49] i'm using the same libraries to edit, say, kontact [09:50] astrobear: neon is sandboxed - so depending on what you are doing it is safe [09:50] what does sandboxed mean? [09:50] no one has yet to answer that question for me [09:51] it uses a different folder for configs and so on (~/.kde-nightly iirc) [09:51] and is installed in a seperate directory [09:52] aaaah. sandbox! you can play safely and not effect your system :) [09:52] thank your Nightrose [09:52] no problem [09:53] man, took me 3 days to get this point, realizing i can easily get into dev with neon [09:53] heh you just need to ask the right people... ;-) [09:53] finally, i can start going through the kde tutorials for making my first kde programs [09:53] or get the right person's attention :) [09:54] i'm sure many people know what they're doing in #kde-devel [09:54] but are probably busy [09:54] or not paying attention to the channel like you ;) [10:17] with neon, where is the copy of qt-copy? [10:30] updatedb && locate qt-copy [10:30] didn't find it [10:30] [04:53] heh you just need to ask the right people... ;-) [10:31] so... Nightrose... :P [10:31] you want to help me or give me a list of nicks to pester :D [10:39] agateau: you pinged? [10:39] Riddell: yes [10:39] about the Nepomuk issue [10:39] i'll ping/pong if someone knows me answer :) [10:40] I thought my rc file was not enough, but it seems it's kind of ok [10:40] if I disable everything, nepomukserver starts, but does not fork any subprocess [10:41] so I guess it won't crash... would you mind trying the rc file on your machine? I can't really test since it decided not to crash here [10:42] agateau: sure [10:43] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1364186 [10:43] name it nepomukserverrc [10:54] agateau: I put that into the kubuntu-default-settings location, deleted my own nepomukserverrc and logged out and in [10:54] no crash [10:54] nepomukserver does start but not nepmukservicestub [10:55] so it should be good enough for jaunty [10:55] yep [10:55] do you want me to commit the changes, or would you rather do it yourself? [10:56] * agateau is not sure how to commit and push using bzr yet [10:56] agateau: you should learn how :) [10:56] agateau: you have a checkout? [10:57] Riddell: [10:57] yes [10:57] put file in kde-rc-files [10:57] bzr add [10:57] dch -i and add changelog entry [10:57] i even did a "bzr add my file" [10:57] bzr diff check if it's sensible [10:57] bzr commit --local [10:58] ok [10:58] bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~/kubuntu-default-settings/ [10:58] what should I use for ? [10:58] whatever you like [10:58] "disable-nepomuk" [10:59] "agateau-special-branch" [10:59] huhu :) [10:59] and how does it eventually get into the .deb? [11:00] I'll merge your changes into the main branch [11:00] build a source package from htat [11:00] build a source package from that [11:00] http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/apidox doesn't apply to neon users [11:00] upload to the ubuntu build servers [11:00] can someone please help me with the documentation [11:00] which will compile it into a .deb [11:00] Riddell: ok [11:00] stupid question: is it ok to use stressed letters in changelog? [11:01] * agateau has stressed letters in his name [11:01] stressed? [11:01] accents are fine [11:01] accents yes [11:03] dch -i created a "1:9.04.15ubuntu1" version number, this is not correct, is it? [11:03] Riddell: oem works now that bryce has added me gfx card to the nv.lst [11:04] Riddell: it should be "1:9.04.16 I guess [11:04] agateau: no need for the ubuntu1 it's a native package not in debian [11:04] davmor2: yay [11:04] davmor2: panel fix should be in [11:05] Riddell: cool I'm just burning now. So I'll find out soon :) [11:08] Riddell: launchpad does not like me: "Permission denied (publickey)." but my ssh key has been added to my LP account [11:09] This was when I tried to push [11:09] agateau: using the right username? [11:09] yes [11:09] try @bazaar... [11:10] aurelien-gateau-mail ? [11:10] mmm where does this come from? [11:10] I thought my username was agateau [11:11] that works [11:11] didn't come up in a search though [11:12] I think aurelien-gateau-mail was an old LP account I created a few years ago [11:12] it should be dead right now [11:12] anyway I can't push with this one either [11:13] oh! [11:13] nevermind [11:13] I just realized what you meant with "@bazaar..." [11:13] working now? [11:14] seems to be [11:14] it's "Walking content" [11:34] Riddell: today's install has got the Incomplete Language Support issue again [11:35] what's the difference between "kde-nightly-kdelibs-dbg" and "kde-nightly-kdelibs"? [11:35] one has debug support and the other doesn't? [11:35] Panel fits though Yay [11:36] if i install kde-nightly-kdelibs-dbg, do i need to install kde-nightly-kdelibs ? [11:36] agateau: did it get anywhere? [11:37] davmor2: what's the issue? [11:37] Riddell: it just finished! [11:37] Riddell: Hang on I'll shot it [11:37] url is bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/disable-nepomuk [11:39] Riddell: what do you think about konqueror+kdewebkit? [11:39] erk, we're 60MB oversized on amd64 [11:40] devfil: needs lots of work, e.g. most of the config settings don't work for it [11:40] # Shortcut provided by Project Neon to make the module [11:40] * smarter made arora uses kdewebkit yesterday :) [11:40] # and install it to the prefix /opt/kde-nightly/ [11:40] Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/icl.png [11:40] neonmake [11:40] bash: neonmake: command not found [11:40] Riddell: any other bug for me? [11:40] Riddell: does flash work with kdewebkit? === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [11:40] agateau: do you want to add the soprano install stuff ? [11:40] devfil: yes [11:40] devfil: yes [11:41] well actually I don't know [11:41] devfil: it works with webkit in qt 4.5 but havn't tested kdewebkit [11:41] * smarter double-check with his hacked arora [11:41] agateau: sesame install I mean [11:41] Riddell: I am afraid i do not understand what you mean [11:42] Riddell: you mean enabling Nepomuk when sesame package is installed? [11:42] agateau: get update-notifier to promot for sesame install along with the codec install prompts [11:42] and for bonus points enabling it too [11:42] :) [11:43] Riddell: I'm reading https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyKDEPackaging and it says "If Qt 4.5 is out for Jaunty and its Webkit supports flash we should change Konqueror to use kdewebkit by default." [11:43] devfil: yup, it works [11:43] Riddell: I can have a look at it, yes [11:43] devfil: but it's far from perfect [11:43] devfil: definitely not ready to replace KHTML [11:43] devfil: would be nice but as I say it needs more work [11:43] also, KHTML devs won't be pleased :P [11:44] but KHTML doesn't support flash, does it? [11:45] sure it does [11:45] doesnt konqueror use khtml? [11:45] and doesnt webkit use khtml for the rendering component? [11:46] maco: No. [11:46] konqueror uses whatever plugin is avaliable, khtml is the norm [11:46] WebKit is a KHTML fork [11:46] maco: no, khtml and webkit can be seen as competitors [11:46] the more I think about it, the more sensible using arora becomes [11:47] Riddell: it rocks really :) [11:47] Riddell: did you try rekonq? [11:47] Riddell: I ported it to cmake this week, and I'm working on KDE support [11:47]