[00:07] <Riddell> hmm, some fonts in konqueror have turned non anti-aliased
[00:12] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[00:13] <Riddell> bonsoir NCommander
[00:13] <NCommander> Riddell, could you do another NEW processing for me?
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: OK, I made sure everything applied correctly
[00:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: great, uploading :)
[00:14] <Riddell> NCommander: what's new?
[00:14] <NCommander> Riddell, redboot-imx :-)
[00:14] <Riddell> (did you see what I did there?)
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I'm pushing now
[00:14] <NCommander> Riddell, (I'll owe you a beer or three for this)
[00:16]  * vorian thinks Riddell never sleeps
[00:16]  * NCommander suspects that true
[00:17] <seele> daylight savings hasn't hit the other side of the pond yet
[00:18] <vorian> oh, so it's only midnight
[00:18] <vorian> :P
[00:18] <vorian> i'm already longing for sleep
[00:23] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: I'm testing upgrading from Intrepid to Jaunty (re gtk2-engines-qtcurve/kde-style-qtcurve). Just after the upgrade, FF looks ugly - no styling (even from the old gtk-qt-engine).. both packages are installed (gtk-qt-engine (old) and gtk2-engines-qtcurve/kde-style-qtcurve). Rebooting the VM now.
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> gtj-qt-engine didn't work by default until you install libonoboui or something
[00:26] <blueyed> well, it worked before the upgrade (in Intrepid). or do you mean in Jaunty?
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> in intrepid
[00:28] <blueyed> but it did.. but the dist-upgrade (without restart) broke it.
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> that would be a bug then I guess
[00:29] <blueyed> in gtk-qt-engine?
[00:29] <nixternal> is anyone working on digikam and kipi plugins?
[00:29] <blueyed> and woohoo.. it uses gtk2-engines-qtcurve now.. :)
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Lure is
[00:30] <nixternal> groovy
[00:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: everything uploaded, wonderfull work :)
[00:30] <nixternal> digikam is the greatest KDE app ever! I mean ever!
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome :)
[00:31] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you should apply for core-dev... aren't sick of asking for sponsor uploads ? :)
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, somewhat
[00:31] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you should try at least...
[00:32] <nixternal> ^
[00:32] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: what do you think should I file? the breakage before restarting is forgivable I think. The other issue I've mentioned has been removing the old gtk-qt-engine package (e.g. by means of Replaces). I like that the default gets changed.
[00:32] <Riddell> NCommander: this package is a maze of twisty licencing passages
[00:32] <NCommander> Riddell, I've been writing the copyright file for the better part of two days.
[00:32] <nixternal> yay for twisty licensing passages :)
[00:33] <NCommander> Believe it or not, its shorter than when it was original.
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> blueyed: I think a replaces would be appropriate, as long as they don't conflict each other
[00:33] <blueyed> ok. should I file that for gtk2-engines-qtcurve then?
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> yup
[00:34] <Riddell> NCommander: 4 clause BSD, does any of that code link against any of the GPL code?
[00:34] <nixternal> why does 'bzr pull' require a password? I can understand push, but pull? that is silly
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I know, it's silly
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> I think we should also put shlib-deps back in on gtk-qt-engines since it's not on the CD anymore and it somewhat broken without it. I'll do that tomorrow I guess
[00:34] <NCommander> Riddell, yes, but see the GPL exception clause
[00:35] <Riddell> nixternal: if it connects by ssh it'll need access
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: I counter your exception clause with my +4 dark shlib mace of BSD
[00:35] <NCommander> nixternal, its a quirk in the way bzr handles lp: paths
[00:36] <vorian> is that new?
[00:36] <dtchen> nixternal: if you're truly annoyed, you can edit foo/.bzr/branch/branch.conf
[00:37] <NCommander> dtchen, he can just do bzr pull -r *http path*
[00:37] <dtchen> NCommander: indeed; i just change branch.conf to use http or bzr instead of bzr+ssh or lp
[00:37] <NCommander> oh
[00:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: about kde/qtcurve
[00:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: wouldn't it make sense renaming kde-style-qtcurve to qt-style-qtcurve
[00:38] <Riddell> NCommander: that exception makes the result non-GPL, whyever would someone want to do that?
[00:38] <Riddell> I mean why not just use BSD
[00:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and also kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig to kde-style-qtcurve
[00:38] <Tonio_> ??
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: Yeah, that probably would make sense
[00:38] <nixternal> dtchen: ya, that is what I do when I finally get annoyed with it
[00:39] <nixternal> just change the parent_location
[00:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: strange to me that the kde- thing is for qt, and the kdeconfig suffixed thing is the kde theme :)
[00:39] <NCommander> Riddell, I have no clue, except for the "source must be available" bit
[00:39] <nixternal> would be nice if ~/.bazaar/config had the ability to tell it to pull from https and push to ssh
[00:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but this means kde4 is parsing qt styles now ?
[00:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I just discovered  the kde4 real one, but was able to use the qt one...
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I think it does
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> you just get extra goodies that come from linking with KDE from -kdeconfig
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> like the kwin theme
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> which probably should be in its own package but would be a real pain to split out
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> if not impossible
[00:41] <Tonio_> okay, makes sense
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> basically we build the thing twice, hiding build-deps on the first one
[00:41] <Tonio_> then maybe kde-style-qtcurve should provide qt-style-qtcurve
[00:41] <Tonio_> just for people searching for a qt style...
[00:42]  * ScottK hides his eyes from the evil.
[00:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: I was about to say the same :) that's rude !!
[00:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that's pretty crap no ?
[00:42] <ScottK> ;-)
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I think Qt can do KDE themes now too
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> maybe we could just drop the Qt only theme?
[00:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: why not building once and just try to split out ? ;)
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> we could switch over the cdbs
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: because if it finds kde it won't build Qt only
[00:43] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: if no double build, then yes, cdbs would make sense :)
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> I think we can drop the qt-only one, since it seems that Qt now does KDE themes in 4.5
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> evil--
[00:44] <Tonio_> ah.... then if qt does kde themes, maybe we can do that, and just split out the theme from the tools...
[00:44] <Tonio_> and keep the same naming policy
[00:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: wouldn't that be okay ?
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I think so
[00:44] <Tonio_> okay
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> should we also separate the kwin theme?
[00:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll be on contrib day on friday, I'll have time to look at that...
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> kwin-style-qtcurve
[00:44]  * Tonio_ adds to his todo list
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> great :)
[00:45] <Tonio_> yeah, a kwin theme would make sense, indeed
[00:45]  * Tonio_ is asking if we shouldn't consider using qtcurve by default for kde....
[00:45] <Tonio_> oxygen is nice, but nothing is better than a real unified theme...
[00:47] <nixternal> NO, use Skulpture
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:47] <nixternal> all that money and he can't afford a real connection? :p
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> Klearlooks!
[00:48] <nixternal> wth
[00:48] <nixternal> S K U L P T U R E
[00:48]  * JontheEchidna wonders what klearlooks looks like
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> er
[00:48] <nixternal> I don't even think I have looked at that
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> Motif for default!!1!!!
[00:48] <nixternal> YES!
[00:48] <nixternal> Motif +100
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> then no gtk-qt-engine!
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> unified ugly
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:48] <nixternal> lol
[00:48] <nixternal> Redmond
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> I think they renamed that to Windows
[00:49] <nixternal> Skulpture is #2 on KDE-Look right behind dekorator which is a bit much for a new user
[00:49] <nixternal> Skulpture even looks good in GTK stuff..
[00:50] <nixternal> speaking of which, how the heck can I get rid of the current GTK theme? I have set it to use my KDE theme but taht doesn't work
[00:50] <nixternal> wth
[00:50] <nixternal> I did set it, it went back to QtCurve
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> Haha, knetworkconf was pretty sucky even before it was totally broken
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> half of the bug reports in kdeadmin are about it
[00:53] <nixternal> WTF
[00:54] <nixternal> why can't I change the GTK theme stuff from QtCurve to use my KDE theme?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> because startkde changes it to qtcurve on every startup
[00:54] <nixternal> serious?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> srs
[00:54] <nixternal> we hardcoded that change?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> we hardcoded it for gtk-qt-engine too, apparently
[00:55] <nixternal> now that is frickin' annoying
[00:55]  * nixternal searches for reasoning
[00:55]  * vorian points at JontheEchidna 
[00:55] <vorian> and runs
[00:55]  * JontheEchidna didn't do it :P
[00:55] <vorian> lies
[00:55] <nixternal> I was going to point at Tonio_ :)
[00:56] <vorian> ok, that works too
[00:56] <nixternal> the craziest french dude in the world!
[00:56] <Tonio_> nixternal: okay let's make it clear :
[00:56] <vorian>             _
[00:56] <vorian>  ___  _  _ (_)
[00:56] <vorian> / _ \| || || |
[00:56] <vorian> \___/ \_,,_||_|
[00:56] <nixternal> of which I am still waiting on how to make someone mad :p
[00:56] <nixternal> vorian: that last thing in whatever you just did, looks a bit much fallace to me
[00:57] <vorian> :o
[00:57] <Tonio_> it won't harm gnome users, which is cool
[00:57] <vorian> well, I blame ascii
[00:57] <Tonio_> and it's done a nice and clean way, using .kde/env/
[00:57] <nixternal> ahh, so I can change that then?
[00:57] <Tonio_> but yeah, I have no other way to make it default than forcing it
[00:58] <Tonio_> nixternal: comment out the portion of code doing this in /usr/bin/startkde
[00:58] <Tonio_> nixternal: and also remove .kde/env/*blabla*.sh
[00:58] <nixternal> gotcha
[00:59] <nixternal> thank you sir
[00:59] <Tonio_> nixternal: maybe as kubuntu-desktop only recommends the theme, I can do better
[00:59] <knusperfrosch> should i file bugs for networkmanager+vpnc in jaunty-a6 or is it just not ready atm?
[00:59] <Tonio_> if the package isn't installed, then no copy... and eventually clean out the users .kde/env
[01:00] <Tonio_> knusperfrosch: no infos concerning vpnc...
[01:00] <NCommander> Riddell, so how comes the review?
[01:00] <NCommander> oh
[01:00] <Tonio_> nixternal: so that if you don't want it anymore, just remove the package and that's it... would you prefer that ?
[01:00] <nixternal> yup
[01:00] <Tonio_> okay let's fix then :)
[01:01] <Riddell> NCommander: I approved it
[01:01] <nixternal> because if I change startkde or remove that file, everytime it comes through for update I have 7 choices to pick from :)
[01:01] <NCommander> Thanks Riddell, your the best.
[01:02] <knusperfrosch> Tonio_: nm-plasmoid->manage connections->vpn, add a vpnc connection, enter what ever you want, it gets lost as you hit ok. second tab of that dialog: check any box, the textinput won't be enabled.
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: we're patching startkde for things specific to kubuntu (and k-d-s especially)
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it clean, shouldn't we provide our own startkde binary in kubuntu-default-settings and dpkg-divert it ?
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: some people might want to install kde without our specific work in it...
[01:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: that sounds hard to maintain, we should make sure any patches don't affect people without k-d-s
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum... not harder than maintaining the patches for startkde, imho, don't you agree ?
[01:04] <Tonio_> new startkde -> kds change instead of porting the patches.... well I don't know...
[01:05] <Riddell> keeping a fork of code is a bad idea
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: or maybe having our own script in kds package kde then and just patch startkde to execute this script if it exists ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would probaby make both our changes and the startkde patch easier to maintain, I think...
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on this ?
[01:08] <Riddell> what's hard to maintain about our patches to startkde?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing, simply I'm fine with having a clear separation between kde and kubuntu specific things
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: we basically have only one patch and it's only code addition... that's why I think external execution would be better, just my 2 cents :)
[01:19] <maco> there's a user in #kubuntu with an interesting bug
[01:20] <maco> with kde 4.1 or 4.2 the resolution that's set in System Settings -> Display is not applied on login, but it is remembered in the Display part. they have to go to Display and hit "apply" every time they login.
[01:23] <maco> ...and now everybody shuts up :-|
[01:27] <nixternal> lol
[01:28] <nixternal> that stupid display thing has never worked for me, so I wouldn't be of much help...I am still a manual tweaker of xorg.conf
[01:28] <nixternal> though with Intel, you don't have to mess with that garbage
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> maco: running krandrtray at startup should work as a workaround
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> bug 268434
[01:30] <nixternal> ya, krandrtray actually works
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> since when you load krandrtray it loads the kde screen config
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> just having it started at startup should be all it takes
[01:31] <maco> ok
[01:32] <maco> is krandrtray *supposed* to load on each logn
[01:33] <maco> or is having it do so a workaround for ?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> that's a workaround
[01:34] <maco> ok
[01:41] <ScottK> For what?
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> for kde not remembering the resolution set in systemsettings on login
[01:48] <maco> huh. here's something xchat-gnome does that quassel would be lovely if it did: let me click on the user's name in the chat window (not just the nick windows) to send them a PM
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> The Dell mini actually has a few kde apps by default, neat
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> kworldclock, khangman
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> potato guy
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> ktouch
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> kde3 versions though ;-)
[02:06] <maco> dtchen: did you collide with seele on your way in?
[02:09] <nixternal> supah collidah
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> supah hahdrahn colliah
[02:11] <maco> s/ia/ida/
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:26] <claydoh> hey, I kinda talk like that :)
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you might have run in to bug 344629
[03:05]  * JontheEchidna sleeps
[05:05] <adelie42> How can I request an official ubuntu-members source branch of kdegames on launchpad? https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/kdegames/trunk seems to be keeping a trunk up to date, but... ?
[05:08] <DaskreecH> Get a ppa?
[08:25] <davmor2> Riddell: is the updated panel package in todays iso?
[09:13] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:24] <gribelu> humm.. after a recent update startkde seems to have some syntax errors
[09:24] <gribelu> line 204, replace "&&" with "] && ["
[09:24] <gribelu> it broke GTK themes :/
[09:25] <Sput> that's a feature, not a bug :)
[09:25] <gribelu> really? :p
[09:25] <Sput> scnr
[09:25] <gribelu> My GTK apps are unstyled now
[09:41] <astrobear> i'm reading http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[09:41] <astrobear> where do the source files go?
[09:41] <astrobear> guess i can locate them when i download them
[09:42] <astrobear> wouldn't developing neon make my system unstable?
[09:42] <astrobear> because i use neon apps i think
[09:42] <astrobear> or.. maybe not..
[09:42] <astrobear> not sure where kde 4.2 was downloaded from, i used the instructions on kubutu.org
[09:43] <astrobear> must have been neon
[09:43] <smarter> no.
[09:43] <smarter> neon is for nightly build
[09:43] <astrobear> oh, where from then?
[09:43] <smarter> if you're using a stable release of KDE, you're not using neon
[09:44] <smarter> from the Kubuntu-Experimental PPA
[09:44] <astrobear> i followed the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[09:45] <astrobear> the only ppa.launchpad.net lines i see in sources.list is neon
[09:45] <astrobear> s/is/are
[09:46] <astrobear> so, smarter, is that stable?
[09:46] <smarter> because it's now in intrepid-backports :p)
[09:46] <smarter> forgot that we moved them here from the ppa
[09:46] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[09:46] <astrobear> so, it's considered stable?
[09:47] <astrobear> it being the instructions which i used to install kde 4.2
[09:47] <smarter> astrobear: read the instructions
[09:48] <smarter> it's not officially supported, but it's supposed to be stable, yes
[09:49] <astrobear> okay stable for use, but when i'm developing on them... it can't be stable
[09:49] <astrobear> i'm using the same libraries to edit, say, kontact
[09:50] <Nightrose> astrobear: neon is sandboxed - so depending on what you are doing it is safe
[09:50] <astrobear> what does sandboxed mean?
[09:50] <astrobear> no one has yet to answer that question for me
[09:51] <Nightrose> it uses a different folder for configs and so on (~/.kde-nightly iirc)
[09:51] <Nightrose> and is installed in a seperate directory
[09:52] <astrobear> aaaah. sandbox! you can play safely and not effect your system :)
[09:52] <astrobear> thank your Nightrose
[09:52] <Nightrose> no problem
[09:53] <astrobear> man, took me 3 days to get this point, realizing i can easily get into dev with neon
[09:53] <Nightrose> heh you just need to ask the right people... ;-)
[09:53] <astrobear> finally, i can start going through the kde tutorials for making my first kde programs
[09:53] <astrobear> or get the right person's attention :)
[09:54] <astrobear> i'm sure many people know what they're doing in #kde-devel
[09:54] <astrobear> but are probably busy
[09:54] <astrobear> or not paying attention to the channel like you ;)
[10:17] <astrobear> with neon, where is the copy of qt-copy?
[10:30] <astrobear> updatedb && locate qt-copy
[10:30] <astrobear> didn't find it
[10:30] <astrobear> [04:53] <Nightrose> heh you just need to ask the right people... ;-)
[10:31] <astrobear> so... Nightrose... :P
[10:31] <astrobear> you want to help me or give me a list of nicks to pester :D
[10:39] <Riddell> agateau: you pinged?
[10:39] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[10:39] <agateau> about the Nepomuk issue
[10:39] <astrobear> i'll ping/pong if someone knows me answer :)
[10:40] <agateau> I thought my rc file was not enough, but it seems it's kind of ok
[10:40] <agateau> if I disable everything, nepomukserver starts, but does not fork any subprocess
[10:41] <agateau> so I guess it won't crash... would you mind trying the rc file on your machine? I can't really test since it decided not to crash here
[10:42] <Riddell> agateau: sure
[10:43] <agateau> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1364186
[10:43] <agateau> name it nepomukserverrc
[10:54] <Riddell> agateau: I put that into the kubuntu-default-settings location, deleted my own nepomukserverrc and logged out and in
[10:54] <Riddell> no crash
[10:54] <Riddell> nepomukserver does start but not nepmukservicestub
[10:55] <agateau> so it should be good enough for jaunty
[10:55] <Riddell> yep
[10:55] <agateau> do you want me to commit the changes, or would you rather do it yourself?
[10:56]  * agateau is not sure how to commit and push using bzr yet
[10:56] <Riddell> agateau: you should learn how :)
[10:56] <Riddell> agateau: you have a checkout?
[10:57] <agateau> Riddell:
[10:57] <agateau> yes
[10:57] <Riddell> put file in kde-rc-files
[10:57] <Riddell> bzr add <file>
[10:57] <Riddell> dch -i  and add changelog entry
[10:57] <agateau> i even did a "bzr add my file"
[10:57] <Riddell> bzr diff   check if it's sensible
[10:57] <Riddell> bzr commit --local
[10:58] <agateau> ok
[10:58] <Riddell> bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~<user>/kubuntu-default-settings/<branchname>
[10:58] <agateau> what should I use for <branchname>?
[10:58] <Riddell> whatever you like
[10:58] <Riddell> "disable-nepomuk"
[10:59] <Riddell> "agateau-special-branch"
[10:59] <agateau> huhu :)
[10:59] <agateau> and how does it eventually get into the .deb?
[11:00] <Riddell> I'll merge your changes into the main branch
[11:00] <Riddell> build a source package from htat
[11:00] <Riddell> build a source package from that
[11:00] <astrobear> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/apidox doesn't apply to neon users
[11:00] <Riddell> upload to the ubuntu build servers
[11:00] <astrobear> can someone please help me with the documentation
[11:00] <Riddell> which will compile it into a .deb
[11:00] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[11:00] <agateau> stupid question: is it ok to use stressed letters in changelog?
[11:01]  * agateau has stressed letters in his name
[11:01] <Riddell> stressed?
[11:01] <Riddell> accents are fine
[11:01] <agateau> accents yes
[11:03] <agateau> dch -i created a "1:9.04.15ubuntu1" version number, this is not correct, is it?
[11:03] <davmor2> Riddell: oem works now that bryce has added me gfx card to the nv.lst
[11:04] <agateau> Riddell: it should be "1:9.04.16 I guess
[11:04] <Riddell> agateau: no need for the ubuntu1 it's a native package not in debian
[11:04] <Riddell> davmor2: yay
[11:04] <Riddell> davmor2: panel fix should be in
[11:05] <davmor2> Riddell: cool I'm just burning now.  So I'll find out soon :)
[11:08] <agateau> Riddell: launchpad does not like me: "Permission denied (publickey)." but my ssh key has been added to my LP account
[11:09] <agateau> This was when I tried to push
[11:09] <Riddell> agateau: using the right username?
[11:09] <agateau> yes
[11:09] <Riddell> try <username>@bazaar...
[11:10] <Riddell> aurelien-gateau-mail ?
[11:10] <agateau> mmm where does this come from?
[11:10] <agateau> I thought my username was agateau
[11:11] <Riddell> that works
[11:11] <Riddell> didn't come up in a search though
[11:12] <agateau> I think aurelien-gateau-mail was an old LP account I created a few years ago
[11:12] <agateau> it should be dead right now
[11:12] <agateau> anyway I can't push with this one either
[11:13] <agateau> oh!
[11:13] <agateau> nevermind
[11:13] <agateau> I just realized what you meant with "<username>@bazaar..."
[11:13] <Riddell> working now?
[11:14] <agateau> seems to be
[11:14] <agateau> it's "Walking content"
[11:34] <davmor2> Riddell: today's install has got the Incomplete Language Support issue again
[11:35] <astrobear> what's the difference between "kde-nightly-kdelibs-dbg" and "kde-nightly-kdelibs"?
[11:35] <astrobear> one has debug support and the other doesn't?
[11:35] <davmor2> Panel fits though Yay
[11:36] <astrobear> if i install kde-nightly-kdelibs-dbg, do i need to install kde-nightly-kdelibs ?
[11:36] <Riddell> agateau: did it get anywhere?
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: what's the issue?
[11:37] <agateau> Riddell: it just finished!
[11:37] <davmor2> Riddell: Hang on I'll shot it
[11:37] <agateau> url is bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/disable-nepomuk
[11:39] <devfil> Riddell: what do you think about konqueror+kdewebkit?
[11:39] <Riddell> erk, we're 60MB oversized on amd64
[11:40] <Riddell> devfil: needs lots of work, e.g. most of the config settings don't work for it
[11:40] <astrobear> # Shortcut provided by Project Neon to make the module
[11:40]  * smarter made arora uses kdewebkit yesterday :)
[11:40] <astrobear> # and install it to the prefix /opt/kde-nightly/
[11:40] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/icl.png
[11:40] <astrobear> neonmake
[11:40] <astrobear> bash: neonmake: command not found
[11:40] <agateau> Riddell: any other bug for me?
[11:40] <devfil> Riddell: does flash work with kdewebkit?
[11:40] <Riddell> agateau: do you want to add the soprano install stuff ?
[11:40] <Riddell> devfil: yes
[11:40] <smarter> devfil: yes
[11:41] <Riddell> well actually I don't know
[11:41] <Riddell> devfil: it works with webkit in qt 4.5 but havn't tested kdewebkit
[11:41]  * smarter double-check with his hacked arora
[11:41] <Riddell> agateau: sesame install I mean
[11:41] <agateau> Riddell: I am afraid i do not understand what you mean
[11:42] <agateau> Riddell: you mean enabling Nepomuk when sesame package is installed?
[11:42] <Riddell> agateau: get update-notifier to promot for sesame install along with the codec install prompts
[11:42] <Riddell> and for bonus points enabling it too
[11:42] <agateau> :)
[11:43] <devfil> Riddell: I'm reading https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyKDEPackaging and it says "If Qt 4.5 is out for Jaunty and its Webkit supports flash we should change Konqueror to use kdewebkit by default."
[11:43] <smarter> devfil: yup, it works
[11:43] <agateau> Riddell: I can have a look at it, yes
[11:43] <smarter> devfil: but it's far from perfect
[11:43] <smarter> devfil: definitely not ready to replace KHTML
[11:43] <Riddell> devfil: would be nice but as I say it needs more work
[11:43] <smarter> also, KHTML devs won't be pleased :P
[11:44] <devfil> but KHTML doesn't support flash, does it?
[11:45] <Riddell> sure it does
[11:45] <maco> doesnt konqueror use khtml?
[11:45] <maco> and doesnt webkit use khtml for the rendering component?
[11:46] <smarter> maco: No.
[11:46] <Riddell> konqueror uses whatever plugin is avaliable, khtml is the norm
[11:46] <smarter> WebKit is a KHTML fork
[11:46] <agateau> maco: no, khtml and webkit can be seen as competitors
[11:46] <Riddell> the more I think about it, the more sensible using arora becomes
[11:47] <smarter> Riddell: it rocks really :)
[11:47] <agateau> Riddell: did you try rekonq?
[11:47] <smarter> Riddell: I ported it to cmake this week, and I'm working on KDE support
[11:47] <Riddell> agateau: I did briefly, don't remember being too impressed
[11:47] <smarter> Riddell: an extension system is being worked on too, thanks to QtScript power
[11:49] <agateau> Riddell: I was thinking it would be a better choice, being based on kdelibs, but i must confess i haven't tried it yet
[11:49] <agateau> smarter: extension system would be great!
[11:49] <smarter> agateau: yup :)
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: digikam is out?
[11:50] <smarter> agateau: I don't think rekonq really has a future
[11:50] <smarter> agateau: arora + KDE support should be better
[11:50] <smarter> agateau: my hacked arora to use webkitkde makes it use KIO for free :)
[11:50] <agateau> smarter: I like arora, but I am a bit concerned about the way kde support will be integrated
[11:51] <agateau> I have remembers of qt apps with not-so-good kde support
[11:51] <smarter> agateau: I'm thinking doing the same way as Quassel
[11:51] <smarter> #ifdef HAVE_KDE KFoo #else QFoo #endif
[11:51] <agateau> smarter: can arora access kwallet for example?
[11:51] <davmor2> Riddell: so do you have any ideas on the issue with language support?  I've not seen it for a while
[11:51] <smarter> agateau: not at the moment
[11:52] <smarter> agateau: as I said, I started working on KDE support for arora this week :)
[11:52] <agateau> smarter: ok, so it's planned?
[11:52] <devfil> smarter: do you use kopete (msn)?
[11:52] <smarter> agateau: yup
[11:52] <smarter> devfil: that happens, why?
[11:52] <smarter> agateau: http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/KDE4Integration
[11:52] <agateau> because I guess it's a bit more complex than #ifdef'ing a few classes :)
[11:53] <devfil> smarter: some avatars are not displayed, and maybe I know how to fix it
[11:53] <devfil> but I cannot work on the package and test it right now, however it's a 2-lines change
[11:53] <Sput> right, kwallet support is something I need to hack up for quassel at some point
[11:53] <smarter> devfil: push it in a PPA?
[11:54] <devfil> uhm... good idea
[11:56] <Riddell> devfil: no it's just moaning about incomplete support?
[11:56] <agateau> Riddell: can give me the url for the update-notifier repository?
[11:56] <agateau> can you*
[11:56] <devfil> Riddell: ?
[11:59]  * agateau leaves for lunch
[11:59] <smarter> Riddell, agateau, etc: if you're interested, my kdewebkit-powered arora is available here: http://github.com/smarter/arora/tree/kdewebkit
[12:01] <Riddell> agateau:  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk/
[12:03] <davmor2> who works on the kde port of jockey?
[12:08] <Lure> Riddell: I have merged our changes into Debian SVN, hope they upload it and we can sync today
[12:11] <Riddell> davmor2: nobody in paticular
[12:12] <davmor2> Riddell: the numbering in it is the wrong way around.  it should read 180/173/96 but actually read 173(which is highlighted)/180(which is recommended)/96
[12:16] <astrobear> bash: neonmake: command not found
[12:16] <astrobear> help please
[12:19] <astrobear> updatedb && locate neonmake didn't find anything either
[12:20] <astrobear> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove" after issuing "sudo apt-get install kde-nightly-cdbs kde-nightly-deps"
[12:20] <astrobear> told they are already the newest
[12:20] <astrobear> and i figured that's where neonmake is
[12:20] <Lure> Riddell: still need to work on kipi-plugins merge
[12:21] <Lure> Riddell: hope to do it tonight
[12:21] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm talking to pitti about it I'll get back to you :)
[12:29] <Lure> Riddell: can you do no-change upload for strigi
[12:29] <Lure> Riddell: No-change rebuild for exiv2 0.18 (LP: 309684)
[12:30] <astrobear> does anyone use neon in here?
[12:32] <Riddell> Lure: done
[12:32] <jussi01> astrobear: #amarok.neon
[12:35] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel is about to do a bug fix update for 0.4 that I intend to upload before the beta freeze (and it really is bug fix only, I've been tracking the branch).
[12:44] <smarter> yay, flash-context-menu-in-kde-apps look decent now, thanks to gtkcurve :)
[12:44] <Tonio_> hehe, I just made kde4 dialogs to work with openoffice.... that cannot reach the repos btw...
[12:45] <Tonio_> too hackish... but works
[12:45] <Lure> can somebody explain what failed in this build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24037548/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.digikam_2%3A0.10.0-2~lure~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:45] <smarter> Tonio_: you finally admited that kgtk was teh cool? :P
[12:45] <Lure> it build in pbuilder and it claims "Built successfully
[12:45] <Tonio_> smarter: I just opened a ppa and packaged everything
[12:46] <Tonio_> smarter: you can just install kubuntu-kgtk and get everything installed and working :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> smarter: I divert the desktop files from the preconfigured aps
[12:46] <smarter> w00t
[12:46] <Tonio_> smarter: http://launchpad.net/~kgtk
[12:46] <Tonio_> every app is a separate packagge, with a metapackage to install everything...
[12:46] <Tonio_> smarter: but for openoffice, that's different
[12:47] <Tonio_> I have to force gnome, and then wrap to kde4 :) crap but working :)
[12:50] <Riddell> Lure: soyuz detected a problem after build
[12:50] <Riddell> maybe a newer version already exists?
[12:50] <Lure> Riddell: where? in ppa?
[12:50] <Lure> ppa is empty
[12:51] <Lure> and jaunty is 2:0.10.0~rc2-0ubuntu1
[12:51]  * Lure is confused
[12:53] <Riddell> Lure: nothing useful in the e-mail I take it?
[12:53]  * Lure checks
[12:54] <Lure> Riddell: good pointer: digikam-dbg_0.10.0-2~lure~ppa1_amd64.deb: Section 'debug' is not valid
[12:54] <Lure> does this mean we cannot sync from debian due to that?
[12:54] <Riddell> Lure: hmm, I guess not
[12:55] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will then do ubuntu1 package and upload to PPA
[12:55] <Lure> Riddell: if test is OK, will ask you for upload
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Do we wanna get rid of OOo KDE integration and force GTK?
[12:57] <Lure> Riddell: so what is appropriate section for -dbg packages? I suppose "devel"?
[12:57] <devfil> Riddell: can you please upload http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/133011/ ?
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> The KDE3 file dialog is somewhat broken anyways
[12:58] <Riddell> Lure: that'll do
[12:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: huhu?  no
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> oh, it wouldn't be smart enough to use QtCurve?
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> that would also bring in GTK to the default install
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[12:58] <Riddell> devfil: where is that patch from?
[12:59] <devfil> Riddell: the patch is mine
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> would anyone object to me backporting kde svn 926571?
[12:59] <Riddell> devfil: oh nice, going to send it upstream to salem presumably?
[13:00] <devfil> Riddell: of course
[13:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go ahead
[13:01] <Riddell> devfil: there's another libmsn task if you're into that code
[13:01] <devfil> Riddell: ?
[13:02] <Riddell> devfil: bug 308060
[13:02] <Riddell> devfil: the security guy had a look at libmsn and wanted a change, would you be able to look at his proposed change?
[13:03] <devfil> Riddell: I don't know, I'm not a C++ developer
[13:03] <Riddell> devfil: ok, you just know enough to fix your bug :)
[13:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: is there has been any decicions about KDE 4.3 yet?
[13:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: may not make the jaunty release?
[13:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, so we consider backporting it to Jaunty anyway?
[13:08] <Tm_T> do we wait betas or try snapshot?
[13:09] <smarter> Tm_T: for snapshot we already have kde-nightly from neon
[13:09] <smarter> should be enough
[13:09] <Riddell> yes we'll backport betas, same as always
[13:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: roger roger, sounds good
[13:09] <Riddell> devfil: uploaded
[13:09] <Tm_T> smarter: aye, it's not reasonable for that yet though, as too much things moving around in trunk
[13:10] <Tm_T> and must take carefully whole snapshot yet anyway
[13:10] <devfil> Riddell: thanks
[13:11]  * Tm_T keeps stress testing kdepim in trunk
[13:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw we are getting couple hundred pc workstation main units from our BBC-equivalent to "Linux in schools" project, we'll see if I get kdeedu pushed into those and find a way to collect experiences for development use
[13:17] <Riddell> yay
[13:18] <Tm_T> and ofcourse if possible, KDE4 desktop with aarons plans around edu use of plasma
[13:29]  * Riddell wonders why xulrunner has ended up on the amd64 CD
[13:30] <Riddell> and all the rest of gnome infact
[13:33] <Lure> Riddell: gnome is jumping to kubuntu ship? ;-)
[13:34] <Tm_T> they try to sink our ship by overbooking it?
[13:35]  * txwikinger_work has too many pictures in his head now that are not proper to spell out LOL
[13:35] <ScottK> Riddell: One path I was following (but didn't come up with a solution to) is that we are ending up with gvfs due to the gstreamer backend on phonon.
[13:36] <Riddell> we don't use the gstreamer backend
[13:36] <Riddell> it's not on any CD
[13:36] <txwikinger_work> Is fish not working anymore in KDE4.2?
[13:36]  * Lure reboots to test network-manager with WPA-Enterprise and hidden networks - hope I come back on Wifi ;-)
[13:38]  * txwikinger_work is invited as guest speaker in Mohawk College tomorrow
[13:40] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: try sftp:// ?
[13:40] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: what to talk about?
[13:41]  * ScottK goes and refreshes his memory.
[13:41] <txwikinger_work> About FLOSS, its legal consequences and society
[13:41] <freinhard> hi!
[13:41] <txwikinger_work> I was given a blanch card... I can talk about whatever I like
[13:42] <txwikinger_work> card blanch ^^
[13:42]  * txwikinger_work is still jetlagged
[13:42] <freinhard> kleopatra misses gpgconf support in libgpgme. is it possible to get that for jaunty? see bug #305565
[13:44] <txwikinger_work> Riddell: It will be more an FLOSS advocacy talk.. the audience is not very familiar with FLOSS yet
[13:44] <Riddell> freinhard: do you know what needs changed?
[13:47] <freinhard> Riddell: didn't have a closer look so far buti guess it needs to be compiled with --enable-gpgconf
[13:47] <ScottK> I thought we were dropping gdebi from kubuntu-desktop?
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: I do seem to remember that
[13:50] <ScottK> It doesn't look like we actually did it.
[13:50]  * ScottK didn't manage to replicate getting gvfs pulled in, so nevermind for now.
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: You want me to drop it from the seeds (gdebi-kde)?
[13:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I think it might need the priority of kpackagekit changed, it's below Ark for me in the menu for .deb files
[13:53] <ScottK> Personally I'd call that a feature, but I can see where more generally that'd be a problem.
[13:54]  * ScottK decides to leave it and do some $WORK.
[13:54] <jussi01> argh.... this sucks :( I think I have to go and move to gnome :(
[13:55] <Riddell> ?
[13:55] <jussi01> Riddell: I have 3 screens.triple head is not supported in kde, and doesnt look like getting done anytime soon
[13:57] <cernui> At least 2 head was expected as I read, not sure 3
[13:57] <ScottK> Can you set it up with xrandr?
[13:57] <jussi01> ScottK: no
[13:57] <jussi01> I have dual head sorted, but 3 is not possible
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: about update-notifier, to get it to prompt for sesame install, we need an application to call its dbus interface
[13:59] <cernui> jussi01: Are you able to fill a bug in kde's bug tracking system?
[13:59] <cernui> That would be of help
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: which application should do so, nepomuk kcm?
[14:00] <jussi01> cernui: hrm, I think there is already one. I have one on LP, though written hastily and frustatedly, so not as good as it could be.
[14:00] <Riddell> agateau: maybe dolphin?
[14:01] <Riddell> since that's the first app a user will run which uses nepomuk
[14:01] <Lure_> Riddell: as you can see, nm-applet work (WPA-Enterprise, PEAP, MSCHAPv2, hidden)
[14:01] <Lure_> Riddell: will now test knetworkmanager and plasmoid
[14:01] <Riddell> good luck Lure_
[14:01] <cernui> jussi01: You could add a comment on kde bug 158850
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: on startup?
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: yes
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: see the patches to amarok or dragon if you like
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: will have a look
[14:02] <Riddell> (dragon easier, amarok packaging is weird)
[14:04] <jussi01> cernui: I think most has been said there, but Ill pop something specific to my situation soon
[14:04] <devfil> Riddell: software updates says "5 blocked updates", why?
[14:05] <Riddell> devfil: oh that's an issue with packagekit, we need to talk to glatzor about that
[14:05] <devfil> ok
[14:06] <cernui> jussi01: Ok, your help would be great, because there isn't too many >2 screens setups around to test bugs I think
[14:07] <jussi01> cernui: alright then. I can test offer good feedback, work with anybody who is willing to work on it.
[14:08] <Lure_> Riddell: knetworkmanager works too!
[14:08] <Lure_> Riddell: it seems there is some value in keeping it
[14:08]  * Lure_ will try plasmoid now
[14:10] <cernui> jussi01: if you want to start now, you could ask mentoring in #kde-devel, maybe the assigned devs are in the room. Good squashing!
[14:12] <freinhard> Riddell: can i get the config.log for libgpgme somewhere? maybe it just didn't find gpgconf...
[14:13] <jussi01> cernui: I need to run out now, maybe in a bit
[14:13] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/1.1.8-2ubuntu1/+build/872559/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.gpgme1.0_1.1.8-2ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[14:14] <Riddell> freinhard: that's the build log
[14:14] <cernui> jussi01: np thanks anyway
[14:14] <smarter> Riddell: your last commit to kds added hardcoded stuff, like +maximumSize=1280,38, isn't that going to pose any problem?
[14:15] <agateau> Riddell: can't find any patches to amarok or dragon in debian/ dirs of said packages :/
[14:15] <freinhard> Riddell: checking for gpgconf... no, so rebuilding it on a machine with gpgconf should do it (sry, don't really know how package building works with lp)?
[14:17] <Riddell> agateau: kdemultimedia for dragon?
[14:17] <Riddell> agateau: debian/patches-amarok for amaro
[14:19] <agateau> Riddell: I checked out kdemultimedia and did not find any dragon patch
[14:19] <agateau> I only browsed the amarok repository on the web
[14:19] <agateau> checking it out now
[14:20] <Riddell> kdemultimedia-4.2.0/debian/patches/kubuntu_02_dragon_restricted_install.diff
[14:20] <Riddell> on the web?
[14:20] <Riddell> checked out from where?
[14:23] <agateau> Riddell: I used this line:bzr checkout lp:~kubuntu-members/kdemultimedia/ubuntu kdemultimedia
[14:26] <cernui> glatzor: I think there are some KPackagekit issues
[14:26] <Lure> Riddell: plasmoid fails as expected...
[14:26] <Riddell> agateau: hrm, kdemultimedia isn't up to date
[14:26] <glatzor> Hello cernui
[14:26] <Lure> Riddell: will update bug and try to talk with wstephanson if I can help debuging this case
[14:27] <Riddell> agateau: we don't use bzr packaging for amarok currently because of the hacky build, you can apt-get source amarok
[14:27] <cernui> glatzor: hi sorry:-)
[14:27] <agateau> Riddell: ok I am already running apt-get source kdemultimedia atm
[14:29] <agateau> Riddell: no kubuntu_02_dragon_restricted_install.diff in my kdemultimedia-4.2.1/debian either :(
[14:29] <agateau> note it grabbed 4.2.1, not 4.2.0
[14:30] <Riddell> agateau: bzr update
[14:30] <Riddell> I just committed it
[14:30] <agateau> ok
[14:30] <Riddell> agateau: thanks for spotting this :)
[14:30] <agateau> :)
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> The Trash KCM in Dolphin patch at least builds!
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> Now I hafta wait until the rest of kdebase is done :(
[14:31] <agateau> Riddell: was wondering about the way bzr checkout interacts with source archives: do you checkout bzr stuff inside the folder created by apt-get source?
[14:32] <Riddell> agateau: I use bzr-buildpackage which will put the debian/ directory from bzr together with the sources
[14:32] <Riddell> agateau: but it does add extra stuff you have to remember to do, hence problems like this
[14:33] <agateau> Riddell: ok, so I can put the debian/ dir from bzr inside my "apt-get source" folders by hand
[14:34] <Riddell> agateau: yes
[14:34] <agateau> Riddell: I hate to be a pain, but I still have no dragon patch in debian/ after bzr update
[14:34] <Riddell> agateau: bzr merge  ?
[14:35] <agateau> Riddell: what should I merge?
[14:35] <agateau> oh no, nevermind
[14:36] <agateau> it's in debian/, not in debian/patches/
[14:36] <Riddell> oh jings
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: The trash kcm backport works. :) I've committed it to bzr for the next upload
[14:46] <Riddell> agateau: fixed
[14:46] <Riddell> kpackagekit is not doing so well :(
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: got it :)
[14:48] <txwikinger_work> what is wrong with kpackagekit?
[14:49] <Riddell> didn't work first time I clicked upgrade "took too long, need to fork"
[14:49] <Riddell> and now I got another error message saying dpkg failed
[14:49] <Riddell> worked third time though
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it does that "took to long" thing a lot
[14:50] <Riddell> update-notifier doesn't disappear
[14:52] <seele> is the kpackagekit timeout bug our bug or upstream kpackagekit?
[14:52] <seele> i thought that was supposed to be fixed with 0.4
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> it got a little bit better with 0.4
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> but you have to have like zero load on the system for it not to do that
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> irt kpackagekit, do we want the entire app to be in System Settings?
[14:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it is isn't it?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but do we really want it there?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> To me software management isn't really a setting
[14:56] <Riddell> I think we do, seele is the ultimate authority.  bit late to move it now though
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I guess you're right
[14:56] <seele> whether or not it goes in there is a pretty low priority item
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Oh, the Settings section of KPK looks pretty demented with the latest updates
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> The one item that is that (software-propeties-kde button) looks pretty lopsided
[14:57] <seele> there is a general problem with system setting modules and how they are designed anyway. if theyre designed like an application instead of a group of settings, then it is weird they are emedded in system settings
[14:57] <seele> there are a few configuration modules in system settings with that problem
[14:58] <seele> i'm starting to lean towards evolving system settings as simply a menu, and then launching the modules as a separate application or configuration dialog
[14:58] <Riddell> ScottK: ah, install-package uses code from gdebi, that's why it's being brought in
[14:58] <seele> replacing the screen content is really confusing
[14:59] <ScottK> Urgh (gdebi).
[15:12] <kwwii> Riddell: usplash theme should be in your inbox soon
[15:13] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/usplash.tar.gz for anyone else who wants to look at it (should have just done this to begin with instead of email)
[15:24] <Riddell> kwwii: rocking
[15:30] <steveire> does anyone know if kubuntu disables gps support in marble?
[15:34] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm quite happy with Kubuntu.  Other than the issues already talked about most things just work (tm) :)
[15:35] <kwwii> Riddell: julian is looking at it now, pending approval we can go ahead and put it in main
[15:35] <seele> kwwii: what happens on widescreens? does the image stretch or is there just black buffer area added on either side?
[15:36] <kwwii> Riddell: oh, and do take a look whether it builds...I didn't actually build it :p
[15:36] <kwwii> seele: on the widescreens that we catch and do properly it will now center the logo pic and use the progress bar as normal
[15:36] <seele> cool
[15:36] <kwwii> seele: but to be honest, the usplash is outdated and it does end up stretching it
[15:37] <kwwii> on many screens
[15:37] <kwwii> I have added configs for a bunch of screens
[15:37] <kwwii> essentially, the new design is the old logo with a new progress bar so don't expect the world :p
[15:37] <seele> ah, oh well
[15:38] <julian> kwwii, looks great ken - thanks. the black background and the blues really look sharp.
[15:42] <Tm_T> kwwii: msg
[15:45] <kwwii> julian: great, thanks
[15:46] <kwwii> Riddell: let me know if there are any technical difficulties
[15:51] <Riddell> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `\', needed by `usplash-theme-kubuntu.so'. Stop.
[15:52] <Riddell> kwwii: hmm
[15:52] <kwwii> erm, let me check it out
[15:54] <Riddell> kwwii: works if I put the usplash-theme-kubuntu.so:  stuff all on one long line
[15:56] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I just did the same myself
[15:56] <kwwii> must be the tabs in the file
[15:56] <kwwii> probably only accepts spaces
[15:56] <kwwii> I guess
[15:57] <Riddell> Makefile syntax is horrible
[15:57] <kwwii> so this fixes it and it builds for me, should I send you that change or can you use the local copy you just made?
[15:57] <Riddell> I can do it myself
[15:57] <kwwii> cool, sorry for the trouble
[15:57] <kwwii> I should have built it to begin with
[15:58] <Riddell> installs and works
[15:58] <Riddell> looks like a smaller more sharp version of what we had before
[15:58] <kwwii> exactly
[15:58] <kwwii> with thin progress bars
[15:59] <Riddell> kwwii: shall I upload?
[16:00] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, if you are happy :)
[16:02] <Riddell> you always make me happy kwwii
[16:03] <kwwii> gosh, I feel all warm inside
[16:03] <smarter> so, when do we get a plymouth theme? :]
[16:05] <mpt> smarter, Karmic I think :-)
[16:06] <Tm_T> Karmic or K+1, who knows of the future
[16:06] <Riddell> has pinentry stopped working for other people?
[16:08] <Riddell> uploaded, thanks kwwii, julian
[16:08] <smarter> Riddell: gpg-agent doesn't work anymore here, so no pinentry
[16:09] <smarter> Riddell: but then, KDE still crash at startup and I have to manually start it with DISPLAY=:0 startkde everytime since I upgraded to Jaunty, so it might be related :p
[16:10] <Riddell> erk that sounds painful
[16:17] <smarter> Riddell: yup :/
[16:18] <smarter> not to mention tons of hardware strangeness I'm experiencing since a few weeks
[16:44] <jjesse> is there a supported version of open office 3.0 in intrepid or do i have to wait for jaunty for that?
[16:47] <freinhard> Riddell: add gnupg2 (>=2.0.4) to the Build-Deps for libgpgme. i just put it on my ppa.
[16:49] <ScottK> jjesse: You have to wait.
[16:51] <nixternal> jjesse: there is an oo.o ppa, but it doesn't work well with KDE 4, ie. it is flat out ugly
[16:52] <jjesse> nixternal: that's what i thought
[16:52] <nixternal> it still functions well, just looks really bad because the oo.o kde integration is broken
[16:52] <jjesse> thanks ScottK as well
[16:53] <cernui> will pulseaudio be installed as default next release?
[16:54] <nixternal> i hope not...pulseaudio has been a nightmare for me
[16:54] <ScottK> cernui: Not for Kubuntu, no.
[16:54] <txwikinger_work> hi nixternal
[16:54] <cernui> Right
[16:54] <nixternal> why is pulseaudio in jaunty ScottK? it locks up everytime I play a video pretty much on the internet
[16:54] <ScottK> cernui: It' default in Ubuntu since Hardy, so if you have both desktops installed, you'll get it.
[16:55] <nixternal> I don't have both desktops installed
[16:55] <ScottK> nixternal: Not if you're running Kubuntu.
[16:55] <nixternal> hrmm, how the hell did I install that then...
[16:55] <cernui> Thinking in writing a surround et al configurator and looking which api to use
[16:55] <nixternal> just did a purge and it removed w/o hesitation
[16:55] <ScottK> nixternal: What does aptitude why pulseaudio (or whatever the package is called) tell you?
[16:55] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:56] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[16:56] <nixternal> I wonder what I installed that needed it
[16:56] <val-gaav> btw any work going on actuall  OOo integration with kde4
[16:56] <Riddell> freinhard: you learn packaging fast :)
[16:56] <Riddell> freinhard: got a debdiff?
[16:56] <val-gaav> meaning with qt4 and the current qt3 integration
[16:56] <ScottK> nixternal: Got openjdk-6-jre?
[16:56] <nixternal> gstreamer
[16:57] <Riddell> val-gaav: there's some patches but they don't work  and nobody has time to fix them
[16:57] <val-gaav> :(
[16:58] <val-gaav> good to know that at least something is going on
[16:59] <freinhard> Riddell: erm can you use the one on my ppa? https://launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa
[17:00] <freinhard> Riddell: --with-gpgconf=/usr/bin/gpgconf isn't really necessary anymore since i had to add gnupg2 to the builddeps to pass the tests.
[17:00] <Riddell> ok
[17:03] <seele> has thorsten started yet? is he on irc?
[17:04] <seele> (if i spelled his name correctly..)
[17:05] <Riddell> Bo
[17:05] <Riddell> as in the Doctor Who character :)
[17:05] <freinhard> Riddell: and the build dep should be "gnupg2 (>= 2.0.4)" sry, first package ;)
[17:05] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be on irc anywhere today
[17:20] <Riddell> davmor2: you tried today's kubuntu live CD?
[17:20] <davmor2> yes
[17:20] <Riddell> davmor2: did the folderview on the desktop work?
[17:22] <davmor2> Riddell: sorry meeting.  You mean the plasmoid on the desktop that show the install icon
[17:23] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[17:23] <davmor2> Riddell: if so then it worked it's how I installed
[17:33] <davmor2> Riddell: Why?
[17:36] <Riddell> davmor2: it was broken for me
[17:36] <Riddell> the kioslave didn't run
[17:36] <Riddell> probably timedout or something
[17:36] <Riddell> works fine if I restart plasma
[17:37] <davmor2> Riddell: work fine for me I can look at it again tomorrow for you but like I say I was about to click on the installer and it work :)
[17:37] <Riddell> davmor2: how much memory are you using?
[17:38] <davmor2> 1gig
[17:38] <davmor2> are you test on vm or hw
[17:42] <Riddell> davmor2: hardware with .5 gig
[17:44] <davmor2> I'll look at it again tomorrow for you My 1 machine has 2 512 in I'll take one out :)
[18:04] <Riddell> freinhard: uploaded
[18:04] <Riddell> freinhard: thanks for that
[18:04] <Riddell> stick around, you never know what else you might be able to fix :)
[18:05]  * JontheEchidna adds the debian patch for bug 319331 to our amarok
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> ouch, this is going to be painful
[18:08] <Riddell> amarok packaging is painful
[18:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: put it in debian/patches-amarok  and add the patch -p1 < debian/patches-amarok/foo.diff  line to debian/rules
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, but this patch supersedes another patch, and there may be other packaging changes. The changes themselves probably won't be too hard. Finding the proper changes will be :P
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> and they're using 2.0.60, so here's to hoping the patch still applies
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> there is an obvious bug when you hover your mouse on a file with a Chinese filename in Dolphin. the filename in hover will disappear. the same bug happens to System Settings icons if the UI language is Chinese.
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> this message reported to #kde-devel and #kubuntu-devel
[18:12] <Riddell> that guy needs to learn about bugs.kde.org
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:21] <Riddell> shtylman: is your kdeui branch at a stage ready to merge into trunk?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: plasma-appletsrc accidentally got reincluded into kds
[18:24] <Riddell> by me?
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> no
[18:25]  * JontheEchidna searches for Hobbsee's stick
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> It seems to have reappeared in agateau's upload
[18:27] <Riddell> which I uploaded, so it is my fault :)
[18:28] <Riddell> davmor2: did you notice if the notes plasmoid got started on the live CD desktop?
[18:28] <davmor2> Yes it was there
[18:28] <davmor2> do you want me to fire it up now for you?
[18:28] <Riddell> great, that's fine so long as it was there
[18:30] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll take a shot for you
[18:45] <Quintasan> \o
[18:51] <davmor2> Riddell: No note widget but folder view is there
[18:53] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kde.png
[18:54] <davmor2> Riddell: also out of curiosity why does ksnapshot save the .png's to documents and not pictures?
[19:01] <davmor2> Riddell: Note the panel :)
[19:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How do you think 4.2.1 on Intrepid is looking?  Are we about ready to backport it?
[19:02]  * ScottK  is thinking during the beta freeze when the buildd's are quiet....
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Yeah, I think it's looking pretty good now that Plasma doesn't crash on startup
[19:02] <ScottK> Riddell: What do you think?
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, I just remembered there's a file conflict bug in kdesdk that needs fixing in jaunty
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> and the ppa
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> I can fix that in a minute
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> OK, kdesdk fix pushed
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> I think that was the last file-conflict-upon-upgrade from KDE 4.1
[19:11] <ScottK> Any other kdesdk stuff needs uploading?
[19:13] <Riddell> ScottK: good idea
[19:13] <freinhard> Riddell: nice, one thing less that bugged me for a while :) what to do with the bug #305565 ?  mark the KDE PIM part of that bug as invalid (since it was a gpgme packaging issue)?
[19:14] <Riddell> davmor2: panel is fine?
[19:15] <davmor2> I know :)
[19:15] <davmor2> Yay \o/
[19:15] <ScottK> freinhard: You may not have the invalid choice.  I'll fix it up.
[19:17] <freinhard> ScottK: i got "invalid" in the <select>, but not sure how reasons for closing bugs are handled on LP
[19:18] <ScottK> OK.  I marked it invalid.
[19:18] <ScottK> BTW, that was filed against upstream kdepim and not kdepim in Ubuntu.
[19:18] <ScottK> Generally you should file in LP against the Ubuntu package and then link to the bugs.kde.org bug for upstream if one is filed.
[19:20] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: can one of you please push a kpackagekit version with updated upstream translations
[19:21]  * ScottK looks at Riddell.
[19:21] <apachelogger> the current state is, at least for german, not very usable
[19:27] <shtylman> Riddell: not yet... (the .ui files can eb merged though...that will fix the long text on the user setup page), I am not done with the actual code fixes though...(you can also merge the timezone map...it has bugfixes but does not have the city on hover yet)
[19:28] <apachelogger> hm
[19:28] <davmor2> Riddell: Anything else you need before I head off?
[19:29] <apachelogger> we are doing quite some marketing by including bleeding edge apps ... both the dragon player and quassel wikipedia articles mention kubuntu :)
[19:29] <ScottK> \o/
[19:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking of Quassel, I did upload 0.4.1, so we now have what I expect we'll release with unless something big comes up.
[19:32] <seele> apachelogger: kpackagekit seems to still be breathing, let along bleeding :-/
[19:32] <seele> i didnt realise how much work it was going to need
[19:32] <apachelogger> +1
[19:32] <apachelogger> eventually it can't update if a new package ought to get installed
[19:33] <apachelogger> or at least I don't get it to
[19:52]  * jussi01 waves to apachelogger
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Could I have a sponsor for bug 319331 please?
[20:04] <jussi01> cernui: I added a peice to the bug, hopefully its helpful to someone. Is there a proceedure for letting people now in #kde-devel or should I just go in there and blurt? :D
[20:08] <cernui> Just go and talk to them if possible, take in account european/asian devs could be sleeping right now
[20:12] <jussi01> cernui: Yeah, Im in europe so understand :)
[20:15] <jussi01> cernui: I guess its a case of Hurry up and wait now :D
[20:17] <cernui> jussi01, yes, it could take some for the right person to answer if such a person apper
[20:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know where kpackagekit translations are?
[20:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde svn I suppose
[20:19] <Riddell> is kpackagekit in svn?
[20:19] <apachelogger> in playground AFAIK
[20:19] <Riddell> oh aye
[20:20] <apachelogger> playground/sysadmin it seems
[20:20] <jussi01> cernui: yeah, exactly ;)
[20:20] <apachelogger> s///- for l10n though
[20:21] <cernui> jussi01: do you work at a lcd screens factory ? 8-)
[20:23] <jussi01> cernui: no... just have a kind workplace :)
[20:23] <jussi01> and lcd's have come down in price a lot recently
[20:24] <cernui> Sure
[20:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: kpackagekit uploaded
[20:38]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[20:40] <nielsslot> could someone here explain the kubuntu_52_gtk2_engines_qtcurve_config.diff patch in kdebase-workspace in jaunty for me? It seems to prevent me from choosing a different GTK style then QtCurve
[20:41] <Riddell> nielsslot: I think that was JontheEchidna's work
[20:43] <nielsslot> I'm looking a the patch.. and it seems to remove/reset the ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 at every startup
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> It was tonio's work
[20:44] <val-gaav> sam situation here
[20:44] <val-gaav> and I don't even have Qtcurve installes
[20:45] <val-gaav> so it ends up with the ugly default gtk style
[20:45] <nielsslot> yeah.. i tried uninstalling qtcurve.. it then defaults to the ugly raleigh..
[20:45] <val-gaav> any hope for fix ?
[20:46] <Riddell> poke Tonio_
[20:46] <val-gaav> I actually like using gtk-qt-engine without a theme :)
[20:46] <Tonio_> nielsslot: fixed with today's kdebase-workspace upload
[20:46] <apachelogger> waaaah
[20:46] <val-gaav> :)
[20:46] <Tonio_> val-gaav: that was for you sorry
[20:46] <val-gaav> thanks  :)
[20:47] <apachelogger> digikam comes up with a tip-of-the-day
[20:47] <apachelogger> someone do something
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> ~order brain
[20:47] <ScottK> You know all about digikam already?
[20:47]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[20:47] <nielsslot> Tonio_: great.. thanks
[20:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we can disable within kds right ?
[20:47] <apachelogger> yus
[20:48] <apachelogger> uhm, it crashed
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> heh, we're going on 4 kds uploads today
[20:48] <Tonio_> apachelogger: doing that now, I still have a couple of changes approved by seele to include in it...
[20:48] <seele> hmm?
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if only the usplash stuff wouldn't be in kds
[20:48] <apachelogger> hm
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually agateau accidentally reverted some stuff, so a fourth upload would be in order anyways
[20:49] <apachelogger> that ought to be "wasn't", right?
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:49] <Tonio_> seele: changing the date format, rmoving the year and include day of week
[20:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in that case I must praise bzr qdiff before upload :P
[20:49] <Tonio_> seele: and another one proposed by Lure
[20:49] <agateau> JontheEchidna: oh... what did I revert?
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> agateau: somehow the plasma-appletsrc file accidentally got re-added
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> no biggie though
[20:50] <Tonio_> stupid question but I never found out how to search for files with kde4... :) what's the easy way for this ?
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> the usabilty nightmare called kfind
[20:51] <agateau> JontheEchidna: very strange... I would like to know how I did that... I only called "bzr add" on the nepomuk file I created
[20:51] <Riddell> agateau: the plasma-appletsrc file, although it may well have been my fault
[20:52] <agateau> Riddell: ok, a merge problem I guess
[20:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've commited the revert to bzr for k-d-s, are you going to add the digikam setting?
[20:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: Tonio_ is
[20:52] <apachelogger> Tonio_: locate $FILE :P
[20:53] <apachelogger> oh dear
[20:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait for your commit then.... I was just doing it :)
[20:53] <apachelogger> digikam comes with an builtin abomination of KDE 4
[20:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: seriously, I mean :)
[20:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: done
[20:53] <apachelogger> why in solid's name would I be caring if a collection is on a network storage or a removable device
[20:54] <apachelogger> Tonio_: that was quite serious indeed
[20:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki ;)
[20:54]  * apachelogger never got strigi working for real
[20:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well that's a real question I was asked 3 times today at work.... I don't care, but some people seem to
[20:56] <apachelogger> well
[20:56] <apachelogger> IMHO kfind/locate is the best way to search at this point
[20:56] <apachelogger> at least until nepomuk and strigi are useable
[20:57] <apachelogger> or maybe it's just my setup that is horribly broken, which might also very well be
[20:58] <apachelogger> hm
[20:58] <apachelogger> some stuff in digiKam is seriously weird
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I upload kds or are there changes commit soon ?
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nah, we've totally disabled nepomuk
[20:59] <apachelogger> poor nepo
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> and even if we didn't nepomuk refuses to use the redland backend
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> and crashes while refusing
[20:59] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[20:59] <apachelogger> I guess
[20:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[20:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you take a look at digikam 0.10?
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Lure was planning on updating it or something
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> he seems to be the main digikam dude
[21:00] <apachelogger> I mean, like, did you use the app :P
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> nope
[21:00]  * apachelogger is using rc2 right now, and finds it quite disturbing
[21:00] <apachelogger> that is me talking with my oxygen hat on though :P
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> I have used rc2 for a bit
[21:01] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: isn't dolphin using nepomuk ?
[21:01] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: at some points at least ?
[21:01] <Riddell> for tags and rankings
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:01] <Tonio_> k
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> but its file indexing stuff is ko'd
[21:02]  * ScottK hugs his Konqueror.
[21:02] <Tonio_> any chance to get the good backend to work in the future ? I think it's a licence/nonfree content issue right ?
[21:02] <apachelogger> nah
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah, actually
[21:02] <apachelogger> they already got a new backend again :P
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> there's a third backend in store for 4.3
[21:02] <apachelogger> which is a new db server
[21:03] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:03] <apachelogger> then we get
[21:03] <apachelogger> mysqle for amarok
[21:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: will we be able to use that one at least ? :)
[21:03] <apachelogger> mysql for akonadi
[21:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: install soprano-backend-sesame
[21:03] <apachelogger> and that weird stuff for nepomuk :P
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> now that I am conversing with 4 core devs
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> anybody feel like sponsoring a PPC fix for bug 319331?
[21:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, so why don't we have it installed by default ? :)
[21:03]  * apachelogger thinks quassel could use firebird while we are at it :P
[21:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: because it's in multiverse
[21:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: might sound like a stupid question, but I missed the discussions on that point
[21:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[21:04] <Riddell> and it needs java
[21:04] <Tonio_> ouch...
[21:04] <Tonio_> no java for me...
[21:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: as long as it work and we can enable it...
[21:06] <apachelogger> at some point $user will be out of RAM, so the definition of $work is rather difficult to make
[21:06] <apachelogger> like I migrated my mom's pc to thunderbird and got rid of all the kdepim because of akonadi
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: there is an amarok branch
[21:12] <claydoh_> hello apachelogger !
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: not according to Riddell this morning
[21:12] <apachelogger> hola claydoh_
[21:13] <Riddell> hmm?  what me?
[21:13] <apachelogger> claydoh_: do we has world dominiation already?
[21:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, because Riddell never used it :P
[21:13] <claydoh_> apachelogger: getting there :)
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you said we didn't use the amarok branch since we have a hacky build
[21:13] <Riddell> oh aye, the bzr packaging branch isn't used
[21:13] <apachelogger> but why but why
[21:14] <Riddell> because the packaging is a hacky mess and won't work with bzr-buildpackage
[21:14] <Riddell> well, maybe it could, but it didn't seem proper at the time
[21:14] <claydoh_> apachelogger: I am currently thinking of something along the lines of UWN, but obviously with a Kubuntu twist
[21:15] <claydoh_> apachelogger: and advertising it in the mailing lists, and in the forums
[21:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, now that we have the 2 tarballs in one orig tar it probably makes sense to go back to branching again :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> claydoh: UWN is one big load of FUD IMHO
[21:16] <claydoh_> apachelogger: but the idea, not the content :)
[21:16] <apachelogger> oh, better that is
[21:17] <claydoh_> apachelogger: you want it more personal and opinionated I assume?
[21:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, did the kdebindings changes work?
[21:19] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, it ought to have 2 effects IMHO - 1. inform $reader about what is going on 2. make $reader feel proud to be using such an awesome OS/look forward to the next version/wanting to checkout Kubuntu/...
[21:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: good questions, I havn't looked
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> "This week JontheEchidna deftly dodged actual work and orders about 20 cokes from kubotu"
[21:20] <claydoh> ooh propoganda I can do, I *am*  the supposed Kubuntu Kult leader, you know :)
[21:21] <apachelogger> didn't know, but sounds about right :P
[21:22] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: that will be my first headline :)
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> haha
[21:22]  * claydoh really needs to take that title off of his kubuntuforums profile :)
[21:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: where is it?
[21:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, btw, just so you can think about it ... before I got lost, I was thinking about making Kubuntu meetings less technical (i.e. restrict to memberships and maybe big changes for which council approval ought to be nice to have) ... the technical descussions could be moved to developer meetings happening in a 2 week cycle or something
[21:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, sounds like hassle, we have enough trouble organising meetings as it is
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: better than Kubuntu Kult Kommander
[21:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: It's in my PPA, just a sec, I'll try to find it... *waits for offlineimap to finish syncing his email so he can check for a build log*
[21:25] <kwwii> I am heading out for the night, let me know if there is anything else I can help with between now and release
[21:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't see anything in there
[21:26] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: but I *like* the 'k' thing :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, we don't need a quorum for regular dev stuff, so just a quick organized discussion session should be enough
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: subtle KKK joke there :P
[21:26] <claydoh> errrr
[21:26] <kwwii> Riddell: does the kubuntu installer include the new time-zone stuff?
[21:26] <Riddell> kwwii: does indeed, hugs to shtylman
[21:27] <kwwii> Riddell: we could also change the look of that if needed
[21:27]  * ryanakca waves to kwwii, long time no see :)
[21:27] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: subtle like a brick to the head lol
[21:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: it might also become easier to get a kubuntu meeting schedule if we don't always end up in 2 hours of discussion about mostly uninteressting stuff for non-devs ;-)
[21:27] <kwwii> ryanakca: hey...good to see you
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:27] <kwwii> anyway, I am off for the night...have fun
[21:27]  * claydoh ,as a non technical dude always enjoys the meetings
[21:28]  * apachelogger , as a technical dude gets actually annoyed by the technical stuff :P
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> haha
[21:29] <apachelogger> seriously if we move the tech stuff to either individual dev discussions or maybe the mailing list we could save a lot of time in the meetings ... that means more time for eating cookies
[21:29] <apachelogger> cookies > scrolling IMHO
[21:30] <claydoh> the -devel list is rather under-utilized
[21:31] <apachelogger> well, I use it
[21:31] <apachelogger> almost no-one else does though :P
[21:32] <claydoh> lol a terribly long and waaayy ot and useless thread in -users just killed my kmail
[21:33] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[21:33] <claydoh> or was it the updates?
[21:33] <apachelogger> claydoh: what was it about?
[21:33] <claydoh> i dunno, about a virus or sometthing
[21:33] <claydoh> orillygina
[21:33] <claydoh> err
[21:34] <claydoh> originally
[21:35] <claydoh> yet another kernel update, reboot time
[21:43] <Mamarok> claydoh: I stopped reading -users quite a while ago, it's getting more childish everyday
[21:44] <claydoh> Mamarok: it has its ups and downs, lately it has been OK
[21:45] <claydoh> I don't watnt to unsub, as I do like to help, but the long threads I usually ignore and send to the trash
[21:45] <Mamarok> claydoh: well, nearly al threads written by Steven are ending up in threadsplitting and following OT
[21:45] <claydoh> Mamarok: you noticed ;)
[21:46] <Mamarok> claydoh: I would love to help, but what can you do with people who don't use their brain, don't follow advices and newbies running alpha software?
[21:46] <Mamarok> hence, I stopped reading, it's taking up time and nerves
[21:46] <Mamarok> at least in #kubuntu you can cut OT
[21:47] <claydoh> well, a little list moderation could do wonders, or simply piss everyone  off
[21:48] <claydoh> or rather piss off the ususal suspects at least
[21:48] <claydoh> but again, its a time issue
[21:48] <Mamarok> claydoh: well, who moderates this list anyway? never seen an admin so far
[21:49] <claydoh> dunno, think night rose and maybe apache logger might be
[21:49] <Mamarok> or at least nobody stating to be one
[21:50] <Mamarok> oO, I guess it's just too much time then, but some admin PM to the usual suspects could be nice
[21:51] <apachelogger> rofl
[21:52] <apachelogger> claydoh: that -users thread is awesome
[21:52] <Mamarok> apachelogger: do you read the -users list?
[21:52]  * apachelogger is crying because he is laughing so hard
[21:52] <Mamarok> I mean, that virus thread is epic
[21:55] <mib_n11dih> Checking it
[21:56] <neversfelde> Tonio__: ping
[21:56] <Tonio__> neversfelde: yup ?
[21:56] <neversfelde> Tonio__: do you have still problems with sieve and kmail?
[21:56] <Tonio__> neversfelde: yup :)
[21:57] <Tonio__> I tried to fix on my ppa.... no luck...
[21:57] <Tonio__> neversfelde: the problem is with the authentication....
[21:57] <neversfelde> I switched to dovecot patched for managesieve and created the scripts with thunderbird, now it works
[21:57] <Tonio__> it seems to work with other distros... and we don't patch anything on that point, that's what I don't understand
[21:57] <Tonio__> neversfelde: hum, I have a cyrus in front of me
[21:58] <Tonio_> maybe there is the problem
[21:58] <Tonio_> anyway it works with fedora on the same server????
[21:58] <Tonio_> s/?/./
[21:58] <neversfelde> it did not work with my old scripts
[21:58] <Tonio_> they don't patch, neither do we
[21:58] <neversfelde> they were created with pysieved
[21:59] <Tonio_> neversfelde: hum, I'll test on that point, but for me the problem is only on the authentication side
[21:59] <Tonio_> I don't even get teh scripts
[22:00] <Tonio_> neversfelde: my server advertises tls.... I can't get any further, and haven't been able to trace the issue :/
[22:00] <neversfelde> yes, I had the same problem and then I created them with thunderbird, now kmail works to. But I also changed them a bit
[22:00] <neversfelde> my server forces tls too
[22:00]  * JontheEchidna reboots
[22:01] <neversfelde> soe, kmails sieve ging den ganzen Tag nicht, jetzt dann schon
[22:01] <neversfelde> sorry
[22:02] <neversfelde> wrong channel
[22:05] <neversfelde> mhh, the old scripts had some minor syntax mistakes, I think
[22:05] <apachelogger> hm
[22:05] <apachelogger> claydoh: ping
[22:06] <claydoh> apachelogger: pong!
[22:06] <apachelogger> claydoh: didn't we agree to establish a kind-of moderation team for users?
[22:06] <apachelogger> looks like a clear case of thread hijacking
[22:07] <claydoh> I think so, I did work on a list-rules sort of thing with nightrose but nothing past that
[22:08] <claydoh> I guess that would make *me* the team then?
[22:08] <Mamarok> claydoh: I can help too
[22:08] <apachelogger> well, I am sure there are a couple of more people to help
[22:08] <apachelogger> especially if the list becomes readable again
[22:09] <Mamarok> hm, the first problem is, how do we handle people like Stephen?
[22:09] <claydoh> I am not sure
[22:09] <Nightrose> yea claydoh - please don't let yourself be kept from doing useful stuff just because I am not available - i simply didn't have time for the user list lately so I unsubscribed in an attempt to regain control over my inbox
[22:09] <Nightrose> :/
[22:09] <Mamarok> he actually "thinks" on the list
[22:10] <Nightrose> and claydoh I never was a moderator there in the sense of having admin powers ;-)
[22:10] <Nightrose> gosh and I am tiiiiiiiiired
[22:11] <claydoh> Nightrose: nether do I , just assumed you did sorry :0
[22:11] <Nightrose> :)
[22:11] <apachelogger> just ask master Riddell
[22:11] <Mamarok> apachelogger: who actuall is admin and who is a moderator of the list?
[22:12] <Mamarok> +y
[22:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: ping
[22:13] <Mamarok> claydoh: can I help with the list rules?
[22:13] <claydoh> as to Steven, maybe just the constant reminders, either on-list or off
[22:13] <claydoh> Mamarok: sure
[22:14] <Mamarok> well, off list first of course, be it only to ask him to think for himself first before posting
[22:15] <Mamarok> also, do we really need to split every thread with the :resolved remark? It's not a forum...
[22:16] <claydoh> I think it is his way of killing a topic
[22:16] <claydoh> Mamarok: I have the rules on google docs
[22:16] <Mamarok> he is not the only one doing it, and mostly it doesn't kill the thread at all
[22:17] <Mamarok> claydoh: do you have my mail address?
[22:17] <claydoh> no, was just typing to request it
[22:17]  * claydoh cooks dinner while chatiing in irc -not a safe thing :)
[22:18] <apachelogger_> claydoh: are there useful people on that list?
[22:18] <claydoh> some, perhaps
[22:18] <apachelogger_> useful as in: people I could turn into minions
[22:18] <claydoh> dotan is usually ok, and I see him in other lists
[22:18] <Mamarok> Dotan Cohen
[22:18] <Mamarok> he is really great, never fails to report a bug
[22:19]  * apachelogger_ shall write him a mail then
[22:20]  * Nightrose doesn't think apachelogger will be sucessful with that
[22:20] <Mamarok> why not?
[22:21] <Nightrose> talks a lot ;-)
[22:21] <apachelogger> claydoh: are there some useful people on that list?
[22:21]  * Mamarok raises her finger...
[22:21] <claydoh> I agree on Dotan Cohen, not sure of anyone else atm
[22:21] <claydoh> besides those present here :)
[22:22] <Mamarok> claydoh: :)
[22:24] <claydoh> i would have to watch the list closer to see
[22:24] <claydoh> far too many jump into the quagmire too easily imo
[22:25] <claydoh> perhaps many don't post much as they are frustrated/annoyed?
[22:26] <Mamarok> claydoh: I didn't lately, it really was getting too much...
[22:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: kds ftbfs due to usplash, it seems...
[22:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fixing or should I look ?
[22:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: some images are mising (throbber 32 ones as well as the logo itself...)
[22:52] <maco> rawr. kpackagekit still throws errors at me in a window too small to see the full error message, and supposedly that error was fixed in an update weeks ago
[23:02] <Riddell> Tonio_:
[23:03] <Tonio_> maco: we have to ping glatzor... maybe we have to increase the timeout a little bit...
[23:03] <Riddell> hmm, what did I forget to do now
[23:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup ?
[23:04] <maco> i just found the bug (bug 272410)and some people are like "my machine's not THAT old...." im like "My machine's not had its first birthday yet!"
[23:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: the background images are missing, along with the throbber 32 ones, resulting an ftbfs :)
[23:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, let me work out what I forgot to do
[23:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki ;)
[23:05] <Riddell> this whole bzr thing just makes it all more complex I'm sure
[23:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: certainly :)
[23:14] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK, Tonio_: can you upload digikam/kipi-plugins from my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/ppa
[23:14] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[23:15] <Lure> you just need to remove ~lure~ppaX from version
[23:15]  * Lure hopes we are still before beta freeze ;-)
[23:15]  * Lure got stuck on his sailing club meeting for a couple of drinks longer than he anticipated ;-)
[23:17] <Tonio_> Lure: it builds fine in your ppa, I'm not re-reding the changes, let's do quick :)
[23:20] <Tonio_> Lure: upoaded
[23:20] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks a lot
[23:20] <Tonio_> Lure: yw
[23:20]  * Lure needs to check how to backport to intrepid
[23:54] <Gon> hey, in my last update, now I can sign my email with opengpg + pinentry :D thanks ;D