[00:00] <d1b> blizzkid: yeah i know my mandrake had rpm hell, sound failz and it couldn't get to make or ./configure
[00:02] <blizzkid> I tried Suse.... man...
[00:03] <blizzkid> you had to practically compile _everything_ from source
[00:06] <yofel> you could try gentoo - there you have to compile everything from source ^^
[00:07] <blizzkid> yofel: I don't even take gentoo into account for a second. imho a desktop os (like ubuntu) just has to work out of the box
[00:07] <yofel> true
[00:10] <blizzkid> but I still wonder wheter the ubuntu release approach is the best one
[00:10] <blizzkid> I mean, I kinda like the RedHat/Fedora approach
[00:11] <blizzkid> and I only like it on a release approach level
[00:11] <blizzkid> for the rest I hate it
[00:11] <blizzkid> but that's just because I hate rpm
[00:16] <maxb> Some update today has made my fonts on gnome-terminal suddenly become huge :-/
[00:18] <maxb> hmm, and in thunderbird folders pane too
[00:24] <Hobbsee> anyone else having trouble with the linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic upgrade?  Mine's failing when running depmod
[00:24] <dtchen> where is it falling over?
[00:25] <dtchen> it upgraded just fine in a vm
[00:25] <Hobbsee> sarah@pluto:~% sudo dpkg --configure linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic                                                   11:22AM
[00:25] <Hobbsee> Setting up linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic (2.6.28-11.34) ...
[00:25] <Hobbsee> Running depmod.
[00:25] <Hobbsee> Failed to run depmod
[00:25] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic (--configure):
[00:25] <Hobbsee>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[00:25] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:25] <Hobbsee>  linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic
[00:25] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - it may be my machine,w hich recently went bang
[00:25] <Hobbsee> and threw kernel panics and such.  i'm not sure if it's happy again yet
[00:26] <dtchen> do you have enough free space in /tmp, /, and /boot ?
[00:26] <Hobbsee> yes
[00:26] <Hobbsee> i can run depmod manually, and it seems fine
[00:28] <Hobbsee> oh, wait.
[00:28] <Hobbsee> dtchen: found an error
[00:28] <Hobbsee> sarah@pluto:~% sudo depmod -a 2.6.28-11-generic                                                                     11:28AM
[00:28] <Hobbsee> [sudo] password for sarah:
[00:29] <Hobbsee> zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)  sudo depmod -a 2.6.28-11-generic
[00:29] <dtchen> it's probably 345170
[00:29] <dtchen> is that -11.34 or 11.35?
[00:30] <Hobbsee> .34
[00:30] <Hobbsee> .35 apparently hasn't hit the archives yet
[00:31] <dtchen> only built on one arch so far
[00:31] <DanaG> odd... there's no v86d for lpia.
[00:31] <Hobbsee> 2, it seems.
[00:32] <Hobbsee> can't prod it to go faster, either
[00:32] <dtchen> yeah, was only lpia last i refreshed
[00:33] <SnoFox> Okay, Daily-Build Live CD running...
[00:33] <SnoFox> I've never used fsck.
[00:33] <SnoFox> :p
[00:33] <Hobbsee> dtchen: oh, and hi, now that i've realised who you are!
[00:34] <maxb> Hrm. I'm not sure the new usplash theme is an improvement :-/
[00:34] <SnoFox> How would I have fsck check my other FS - /dev/sda4 ?
[00:34] <DanaG> I dislike the new usplash.
[00:34] <SnoFox> Sorry I'm so nooby. :p
[00:34] <DanaG> Oh, and I tried the plymouth ppa.... just plain Doesn't Work.
[00:34] <DanaG> Does literally nothing.
[00:35] <maxb> The new progress bar looks hugely low-tech and ugly
[00:35] <o0Chris0o> maxb: I don't mind it, looks better then the last :)
[00:36] <cwillu> needs more meaningless tick marks
[00:36] <dtchen> if you're staring at your usplash more often than once per week, something is really wrong
[00:36] <DanaG> I happen to have to boot Windows sometimes/
[00:36] <dtchen> see above
[00:36] <DanaG> NO power management in radeon -> can't use ubuntu on battery for very long.
[00:37] <dtchen> i'll make an exception for, say, VMs
[00:37] <DanaG> Oh, and plymouth would kick ass......... IF it worked.
[00:37] <DanaG> For me, it doesn't do anything AT ALL.
[00:37] <SnoFox> .
[00:39] <cwillu> plymouth=?
[00:39] <DanaG> new bootsplash thingy.
[00:39] <DanaG> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083584
[00:39] <nemo> maxb: I'm using the ubuntu studio progress bar
[00:39] <cwillu> dtchen, indeed:  it would mean that hibernate and resume was actually using usplash, would would imply that the world was ending
[00:39] <DanaG> ugh, /me wonders why he seems to be using ubuntu-virginia when he doesn't live even on the same coast.
[00:40] <cwillu> s/would would/which would/
[00:40] <SnoFox> .
[00:40] <SnoFox> Erm.
[00:40] <cwillu> did you have something to say SnoFox? :p
[00:41] <SnoFox> What are the fsck params I need to run to throughly scan my root FS?
[00:41] <DanaG> f for force even when clean; r for fix, I think.
[00:41] <SnoFox> I'm sitting on a LiveCD right now, dumbfounded why it won't work.
[00:41] <SnoFox> Should I use both -fr ?
[00:41] <DanaG> er, no such thing as r.
[00:41] <cwillu> SnoFox, doesn't work in what sense?
[00:41] <DanaG> just f.
[00:42] <cwillu> SnoFox, run it against the device, not the mount point (and make sure it's not mounted)
[00:42] <SnoFox> cwillu: I'm a noob, and simply `fsck /dev/sda4` doesn't want to work.
[00:42] <cwillu> what does it say?
[00:42] <SnoFox> Takes a millisecond to say it's clean.
[00:42] <cwillu> do you know that it's not clean?
[00:43] <SnoFox> Well, no, but everyone told me to run fsck on that ext4 partition, then try updating my kernel again.
[00:43] <cwillu> normally, it takes a pretty severe screwup to foul things up beyond what the journal can handle
[00:43] <cwillu> SnoFox, back up, what's the root problem you're having?
[00:43] <DanaG> I think it was one of those 'out of space' falsehoods.
[00:43] <SnoFox> I'm trying to go through with an update, and dpkg keeps erroring out saying no space left on device.
[00:44] <dtchen> Cycom: is your system 32-bit or 64-bit?
[00:44] <SnoFox> What DanaG said.
[00:44] <SnoFox> I can assure you I have plenty of space. :> A fresh boot reported I have ~40GB used and 104GB free.
[00:45]  * cwillu starts poking through logs
[00:45] <DanaG> grr, fglrx has always been broken for me.  =þ
[00:46] <SnoFox> cwillu: it'll be a couple hours ago.
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> SnoFox: Do you have /var in a separate partition/volume?
[00:46] <cwillu> SnoFox, upgrade from ext3 or a fresh ext4 partition?
[00:46] <SnoFox> IntuitiveNipple: No. It's just /boot and /
[00:46] <cwillu> oh
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> And /boot has space free ?
[00:46]  * cwillu shouldn't have started his last line with /boot :p
[00:47] <SnoFox> Oh I'm an idiot. It stores the kernel stuff on /boot, doesn't it?
[00:47]  * cwillu pokes SnoFox with a stick
[00:47] <SnoFox> cwillu: poke harder and sharper.
[00:47] <SnoFox> I made /boot only about 30MB, thinking all it'll hold is GRUB. I forgot it actually holds the kernels as well...
[00:47] <IntuitiveNipple> SnoFox: Each new kernel yes... so if the /boot volume is small (less than 300MB) it may run low
[00:47] <maxb> Anyone got any thoughts on what update today might have caused my fonts to grow in size? (Obviously, there were lots of fontconfig uploads today, but rolling back to an old version of that doesn't fix the issue.)
[00:48]  * SnoFox deletes his oldest Kernel info and attempts to update.
[00:48] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: The same one that made xserver try to run a 1024x768 screen at 1360x768 :)
[00:49] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: I added a "DisplaySize x y" millimetres to "Monitor" section of xorg.conf
[00:49]  * cwillu winds up...
[00:49] <IntuitiveNipple> The PC was reporting 122 dpi
[00:49] <cwillu> SnoFox, grub fits in the bootsector :p
[00:50] <SnoFox> I meant the menu.lst and stuff.
[00:50] <SnoFox> menu.lst, slash picture, etc. That's all I expected to put on there.
[00:50] <SnoFox> Forgot about the kernels.
[00:50] <DanaG> argh, stupid glxinfo
[00:50] <DanaG> tells me to set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to find out why...
[00:50] <DanaG> and then I do so...
[00:51] <DanaG> and it still tells me to set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose.
[00:51] <SnoFox> Alright, I'll be rebooting now... Hopefully I didn't misclick and delete a kernel file I needed. >.>
[00:51] <maxb> IntuitiveNipple: hmm... my xdpyinfo looks sane, though
[00:52] <crdlb> cwillu: I thought only part of it did, hence 'stage 2' in /boot
[00:52] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: What does System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details = Resolution report?
[00:52] <DanaG> nice... the background of glxgears is entirely transparent for me.
[00:54] <maxb> IntuitiveNipple: I have that overridden to 96.... however something had reset several of the font size settings there from 10pt to 13.333pt
[00:54]  * DanaG uses his real dpi of 147.
[00:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got a weird issue with wireless-crda here. Two *identical* notebooks connecting to the same AP 802.11g and one selects region ZZE (Europe) and the other ZZJ (Japan) with the consequent difference in available channels.
[00:55] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: Yeah, when it changed on one of the notebooks I thought it had gone to 800x600 mode
[00:56] <SnoFox6161> Eh, forgot my main nick is on a remote screen.
[00:56] <SnoFox6161> But, success!
[00:56] <SnoFox6161> :>
[00:56] <SnoFox6161> I'm so stupid sometimes - especially when I don't know what I'm doing when I set stuff up.
[00:56] <IntuitiveNipple> SnoFox :)
[00:56] <skyl> sudo iptables -L is taking over 40 seconds to fully return, any ideas?
[00:56] <SnoFox6161> Anyway, thanks for the help. :p
[00:56] <IntuitiveNipple> skyl: Use iptables -nL
[00:56]  * SnoFox6161 reboots into the updated kernel
[00:56] <IntuitiveNipple> skyl: -n means don't do name resolution
[00:57] <IntuitiveNipple> skyl: unknown reverse lookups slow it down
[00:58] <maxb> libgnome (2.25.1-0ubuntu2) use 13.333px as the default fontsize
[00:58] <maxb> ugh
[00:58] <IntuitiveNipple> really?
[00:58]  * DanaG changes name to: "damned fglrx"
[00:58] <IntuitiveNipple> that explains a lot... now you mention it, I had to back the size down somewhere to 10pt
[00:59] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: for pities sake, go get an Intel or Nvidia card :D
[00:59] <SnoFox> :)
[00:59] <DanaG> wanna' pay the 700 bucks HP charges for the NV-card part for this laptop?
[00:59]  * maxb will be bearing that in mind when next replacing his laptop
[00:59] <IntuitiveNipple> swap the laptop with someone :)
[01:00] <DanaG> I'm not giving up my EliteBook, for damned sure.
[01:00] <SnoFox> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.28-10-generic i686] (Uptime):[2 min]
[01:00] <SnoFox> :)
[01:00] <DanaG> HP sells the laptop with either ATI or nvidia.
[01:00] <SnoFox> Okay... Now I'll kill this screen and go do something today...
[01:00] <IntuitiveNipple> SnoFox: You're behind already... they're on 2.6.28-11 now
[01:00] <SnoFox> Thanks again guys. :)
[01:00] <DanaG> I had imagined ATI video drivers being slow and crappy... but I hadn't imagined them being entirely PANICing.
[01:00] <SnoFox> Oh come on!
[01:01] <IntuitiveNipple> SnoFox: I've just updated three PCs to it
[01:01] <DanaG> They've been broken for around 4 versions.
[01:01] <SnoFox> It takes me all day to update, and when I get done, they release another version. xD
[01:01] <DanaG> My bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[01:01] <SnoFox> Bah, screw it. Now I know what the problem was, shouldn't take too long this time.
[01:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620
[01:01] <IntuitiveNipple> wow! someone's redone the Xubuntu log-in page drastically! I thought it had gone wrong
[01:01]  * SnoFox launches a few root processes.
[01:01] <DanaG> Not fixed!
[01:01] <DanaG> Should I just go ahead and mark it back to not fixed?
[01:01] <lamalex> Hey, does anyone know the current status of intel graphics? I had heard the intel driver was royally fsck'd, still the case?
[01:02] <IntuitiveNipple> lamalex: I have a couple of notebooks using 'intel'
[01:02] <IntuitiveNipple> the only issues I've had are with the LCD panels not providing EDID
[01:02] <lamalex> what is EDID?
[01:03] <lamalex> IntuitiveNipple: 3d/2d performance has been ok?
[01:03] <IntuitiveNipple> It's the data from the monitor that tells the system what resolutions and clock-rates it can support
[01:03] <lamalex> ah k
[01:03] <IntuitiveNipple> lamalex: Well, I dunno... I don't really do much 3D with them... they _seem_ okay to me
[01:03] <nemo> lamalex: intel driver is better for me in jaunty
[01:03] <nemo> like. not crashing hedgewars :)
[01:04] <lamalex> haha :)
[01:04] <SnoFox> What does the kernel packages install other thein -image and -headers ?
[01:04] <SnoFox> Other then the*
[01:05] <IntuitiveNipple> image and headers is about it
[01:05] <nemo> linux-restricted-modules
[01:05] <SnoFox> Oh yeah.
[01:07] <SnoFox> Ugh, lets see if I screw something up this time by removing the old kernel and installing the new one all in one Synaptic "Apply"
[01:17] <maxb> Why does everyone seem to be out to break the desktop UI in Jaunty :-(
[01:17] <maxb> Nice notification area icons are being rabidly removed, and now I have a great big box saying "No Indicators" shoved onto my panel
[01:20] <dimitree> how do i get the iconv library ?
[01:21] <dimitree> AM_ICONV: command not found
[01:23] <maxb> Why do you think it should have that command? A command in all-uppercase is almost unheard of
[01:24] <Roey> גאhey all
[01:24] <Roey> maco:  hi
[01:24] <dimitree> maxb: well this is what i get when running ./autogen.sh
[01:25] <dimitree> * iconv library not found. It's necessary for proper  manipulation with texts so xine requires it as default.
[01:25] <maxb> huh... AM_ICONV sounds more like an autoconf macro
[01:26] <dimitree> cant find it anywhere :/ package search synaptic nowhere :/
[01:26] <crdlb> what are you building?
[01:27] <dimitree> xine-vdpau
[01:28] <Roey> is there a way to tell do-release-upgrade to use <160MiB in /boot ?  My /boot is only 128 MiB large anyway...
[01:28] <crdlb> dimitree: install gettext
[01:28] <dimitree> ok
[01:29] <SnoFox> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] (Uptime):[1 min]
[01:29] <SnoFox> Now am I updated? :>
[01:30]  * SnoFox waits for IntuitiveNipple to say "Nope. They just released 12."
[01:30] <IntuitiveNipple> :p
[01:30] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm working on -12 as we speak hehehe
[01:31] <dimitree> crdlb: dear god that worked thank you very much sir :)
[01:31] <SnoFox> So I bet I'll be updating tomorrow. :P
[01:31] <Roey> IntuitiveNipple:  great nick
[01:31] <crdlb> dimitree: don't thank me, thank apt-file
[01:31] <dimitree> thank you apt-file ;) i will record that one thanks
[01:31] <SnoFox> apt-get is for installing/removing, apt-cache is for searching, so what's apt-file for?
[01:32] <IntuitiveNipple> filing ?
[01:32] <crdlb> finding out what packages contain a filename
[01:32] <crdlb> including ones that are not installed
[01:32] <dimitree> helping linux noobs like me ? :)
[01:32] <SnoFox> Oh. So more searching. :>
[01:33] <crdlb> I used apt-file search iconv
[01:34] <crdlb> which had a lot of results, but one of them ended in .m4, which is the macro language autotools uses
[01:34] <dimitree> oh crap so it's not that simple afterall
[01:40] <usser> well intel finally did it. They've stole my heart, new jaunty driver is awesome!
[01:40] <usser> graphics
[01:41] <Roey> which driver?
[01:41] <Roey> the dkms one?
[01:42] <usser> Roey, no the intel GEM graphics driver
[01:42] <usser> i can finally run windows games in wine without hickups
[01:43] <Roey> ohh
[01:43] <Roey> is it smooth any?
[01:43] <Roey> and is it only on intel video hardware?
[01:44] <usser> its really smooth, can play simcity4 warcraft 3 on high, nexuiz doesnt crash anymore
[01:44] <usser> i suppose its for all the drivers that use mesa. since intel acquired them, they've done marvelous job
[01:55] <rolle> hey peeps.. anyone have a problem after dist-upgrade this evening?
[01:56] <o0Chris0o> I upgraded today, having some sound issues, thats about it
[01:56] <rolle> I have boot problem..  Not sure what happens.. the computer freezes before the splash screen shows up--but i can see the new lil graphic change for the ubuntu loading thing
[01:57] <rolle> couldn't take a screen shot--so this is the best picture i could get
[01:57] <rolle> http://s5.tinypic.com/14lh4s0.jpg
[01:57] <rolle> I tried to go back and start up on previous kernels, that helped nothing
[02:01] <peterkirn> has anyone seen issues with the mono packages in the repository for 9.04? I currently hang the entire syste when installing dependencies to mono ... haven't figured out how to reset my dpkg selections
[02:09]  * Amaranth rebuilds linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic with PREEMPT and builds l-r-m against it
[02:09] <Amaranth> actually it just finished
[02:10]  * Amaranth restarts
[02:13]  * DanaG now has no restricted modules.
[02:13] <DanaG> =þ
[02:13] <DanaG> The only one I could even possibly think of using is fglrx........ and it's just plain broken.
[02:13]  * crdlb also due to ath5k :D
[02:15] <Amaranth> yay
[02:15] <Amaranth> Linux ronin 2.6.28-11-generic #99 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 18 18:02:45 CDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:15] <Amaranth> and the wl.ko driver connected to my WPA2 this time
[02:32] <Rolle> Could my problem be fglrx ?
[02:37] <Amaranth> Rolle: Almost certainly
[02:37] <Rolle> anyway to undo what was upgraded?
[02:50] <DanaG> wait, are dtchen and crimsun the same person?
[02:50] <dtchen> DanaG: yes.
[02:50] <eternal_p> question all...I've been stuck on a partial upgrade for about 3 days now...
[02:50] <DanaG> ah.
[02:50] <eternal_p> that is my question
[02:50] <eternal_p> :)
[02:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random thing with PA: 0.9.15 doesn't seem to want to let me use the network features.  The UI has those checkboxes for zeroconf disabled.... and if I manually enable them, PA gives protocol errors and such.
[02:51] <dimitree> is it possible to have a terminal with colors ? like error and warning messages with big red letters for blind guys like me ? :)
[02:52] <DanaG> ... and then kicks the client.
[03:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768
[03:04] <DanaG> random.
[03:18] <stefano-palazzo> could someone try to reproduce a bug with inkscape/compiz/gnome for me?
[03:20] <yofel> stefano-palazzo: knowing what the bug is would be helpful in deciding that ;)
[03:21] <stefano-palazzo> yofel, when i put inkscape in fullscreen mode (f11), and hover over something to get a tool tip, the screen starts flashing black and white quickly
[03:21] <stefano-palazzo> just thought i'd ask before reporting it :-)
[03:34] <funkyHat> Woo I just installed and updated jaunty in vbox and it's crashed rather impressively :)
[03:39] <jaem> I'm running Kubuntu Jaunty on an N810 (ARM proc), and plasma doesn't seem to be loading on login
[03:39] <jaem> wait - scratch that
[03:39] <ZeZu> When I unplug certain usb devices,  it kills my session and sends me to a login screen i've never seen before?
[03:39] <jaem> it was just >really< slow
[03:39] <jaem> ZeZu: what sort of login screen?
[03:40] <ZeZu> well i guess its a normal X / login screen, but its not the one i'm used to on ubuntu,  although this simple desktop just auto logs me in now
[03:40] <ZeZu> has a nice color'd background image but not the brown one
[03:41] <ZeZu> its black / orange etc
[03:42] <jaem> Jaunty does have a redone GDM theme
[03:42] <ZeZu> its just odd, it doesn't even seem like a logout, i haven't checked the logs to see if its an X crash
[03:42] <jaem> IIRC, it is in those colours
[03:42] <ZeZu> well that is what it is then
[03:42] <jaem> it likely is
[03:42] <jaem> what were you unplugging?
[03:42] <ZeZu> a usb phone
[03:42] <ZeZu> phillips handheld skype phone
[03:42] <ZeZu> and it doesn't  always do it
[03:42] <ZeZu> might have done it with other things too i dont recall
[03:43] <ZeZu> err yea its done it with a flash drive as well
[03:43] <jaem> weird
[03:43] <ZeZu> possibly if i removed it without unmounting it .. maybe
[03:43] <jaem> that is odd
[03:43] <ZeZu> yea :|
[03:43] <jaem> I could see if it was an input device, maybe, but that doesn't sound like a simple X issue
[03:45] <ZeZu> ah and npviewer.bin crashes on a regular basis
[03:46] <ZeZu> i'm guessing that is flash or such
[03:46] <Cycom> dtchen: 32 bit.
[03:47] <dtchen> Cycom: that's a shame. i only compiled a 64-bit set.
[03:47] <Cycom> dtchen: oh.
[03:53] <o0Chris0o> is it possible to revert back to 8.10
[03:53] <o0Chris0o> after upgrade
[03:53] <dtchen> very carefully, yes.
[03:53] <dtchen> see apt-pinning
[03:53] <dtchen> e.g., apt_preferences(5)
[03:53] <o0Chris0o> !apt-pinning
[03:53] <o0Chris0o> oh ok
[03:54] <o0Chris0o> where do I see this?, am I suppose to google this?
[03:56] <o0Chris0o> hmm seems kinda tricky, I don't want to redo everything over agian
[04:00] <o0Chris0o> thought it would be just as easy to downgrade as upgrading was
[04:05] <Amaranth> o0Chris0o: it's hard and completely unsupported
[04:06] <o0Chris0o> Amaranth: I'll just stick with the alpha build :D its all good
[04:06] <o0Chris0o> I see its being updated constantly
[06:08] <Rolle> so i'm running irssi from the terminal because gnome won't load
[06:10] <Rolle> I updated and upgraded while in there.. restarted, didn't help.  Anyway to find out if there are errors being thrown during the time after ubuntu loads and gnome is suppose to start?
[06:11] <LordKow> you can try cat'ing /var/log/<files>
[06:11] <LordKow> cat /var/log/dmesg | less ... same with syslog, messages, debug...
[06:12] <Rolle> k i'll try that
[06:12] <Rolle> thanks LordKow
[06:41] <beardbar> how do i set the default sound card again?
[06:42] <beardbar> nm i remembered
[07:01] <melik> wow
[07:01] <melik> new jaunty usplash theme is pretty nice
[07:01] <melik> i think im actually going to install usplash now
[07:17] <o0Chris0o> yeah its nice, but if you have have screen, its oblong :(
[07:17] <o0Chris0o> oops, if you have wide screen
[07:37] <beardbar> just had a bug of mine triaged and fixed, how do I check what version of xorg-server I am currently running?
[07:38] <beardbar> man xorg | grep xorg-server
[07:41] <beardbar> how do I do a backtrace?
[07:45] <gartral> two questions, how do start ubuntu on a system with bad ram, and what does eed=on in the Other Options menu do?
[07:55] <beardbar> if I am looking on launch pad of a fix released, how long before it becomes available to upgrade?
[07:58] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[07:58] <JohnFlux> Canonical has developed some notification scheme for gnome right?
[07:58] <JohnFlux> but it seems that they've just completely ignored that kde has already done that
[07:59] <gartral> im sorry edd
[08:30] <doleyb> JohnFlux: Well the gnome goal in life is to redundancify all of KDE
[08:31] <JohnFlux> doleyb: :-)
[08:46] <J-_> Is kubuntu-desktop in the repos kde4.2 metapackage?
[08:49] <beardbar> anyone know how long from fix-released status on launchpad to availability to upgrade from apt-get?
[08:50] <Finnish_> The new wallpaper looks darn good!
[08:50] <J-_> wallpaper? Where?
[09:07] <scizzo-> beardbar: that depends on testing of the fix I believe and release from bzr that they have
[09:09] <beardbar> scizzo: ok thanks
[09:55] <eid> after the last updates, I can not login to my gnome session. The Hard disk start to load then it stops. Then nothing happen :(
[09:59] <eid> please, can you help me.
[10:00] <BUGabundo> eid: after or before grub?
[10:00] <BUGabundo> if at grub, press 'e', and remove the splash, then press 'b' to boot
[10:00] <eid> BUGabundo: after grub, I reached gdm, I try to login but it stops
[10:02] <eid> BUGabundo: after I enter the username and the password it seems that it is loading because the HDD led is blinking then suddenly it stops, I ma using now tty3 to use irssi
[10:05] <BUGabundo> eid: please try to change the session to gnome-safe
[10:05] <eid> BUGabundo: it seems the laptop DCed while it was upgrading the last night, I am now trying to use dpkg --configure -a
[10:09] <lucypher> Hi, what do you think about the new boot splash and the new gdm look? :/
[10:09] <eid> BUGabundo: now it works :)
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> anyone here using ati graphics cards?
[10:55] <macsim> hi, I got an issue with an acer laptop, the ethernet card is a Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02), I got the eth0, I look on google for issue with this card, I found a kernel patch solution, but seams to be allready apply to the jaunty one, the eth0 doesn't work, no dhcp and if I fix the ip manually nothing send or recieve, any idea ?
[10:55] <macsim> thanks
[11:29] <BUGabundo> yay I've got Audio back!
[11:30] <BUGabundo> maco is Dan around?
[11:30]  * BUGabundo goes close the bug
[11:47] <dimitree> oh crap another update today lol
[11:47] <BUGabundo> dimitree: only one?
[11:47] <BUGabundo> I get mine 4 times a day
[11:48] <dimitree> no they are many i just summerised lol
[11:48] <dimitree> just woke up and checked for updates :) yesterday my dvb card dissapeared after one of them lol
[11:49] <dimitree> and today i bet i will lose surround sound hahaha alsa base update -__-
[11:50] <dimitree> is it ok to keep old configuration files ? Or i should replace them ?
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> Glad to finally have fglrx working, but oddly it doesn't start in the right resolution for my screen. However if I log in and out X switches to the right resolution.
[11:57] <dimitree> awesome :) no sound at all this time
[11:58] <dimitree> awesome DVB card gone again ahahahah
[11:58] <dimitree> alpha versions are fun
[12:25] <cyberix> What is the default theme going to be?
[12:26] <cyberix> And where in the system can I find this information myself?
[12:26] <cyberix> Without creating a new user account and checking what it uses.
[12:28] <BUGabundo> cyberix: theme should remain as it is now
[12:28] <BUGabundo> the brown menace as Fedora bloggers call it
[12:30] <peace> hey guys
[12:31] <peace> i got a problem with my wifi atheros
[12:31] <peace> i can't connect anymore
[12:31] <BUGabundo> we already heard that today!
[12:31] <BUGabundo> seem that some update broke it
[12:31] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[12:31] <BUGabundo> and let #ubuntu-kernel know about it
[12:32] <BUGabundo> mvo: ping. around?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> do you have the restricted modules for that kernel installed?
[12:36] <danbhfive_jaunty> hey, did someone mention problems with atheroes wifi connections?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> 3rd time now
[12:37] <danbhfive_jaunty> is there a bug report yet?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> [23:33] <Hobbsee> do you have the restricted modules for that kernel installed?
[12:42] <tabgal> btw, is it recommended to do aptitude update before every aptitude upgrade ??
[12:42] <JMFTheVCI> I was using Jaunty Alpha 6 last time on mu NC10 which has Atheros and wireless worked first time
[12:43] <nado> hi
[12:43] <Hobbsee> tabgal: yes
[12:43] <nado> is there a way to go back to amarok 1.4 on jaunty? i don't like the new version
[12:43] <BUGabundo> tabgal: when I use apt, I do update before upgrade, and only then distupgrade
[12:43] <tabgal> Hobbsee, okay
[12:44] <tabgal> ok, I mean, while jaunty is being 'stabilized'
[12:45] <Hobbsee> tabgal: well, naturally, you would have to.  the update refreshes the package lists, which then tells you if anything is at a newer version than last time you ran the update.
[12:45] <tabgal> but it's ok, I did update before upgrade every time
[12:45] <tabgal> Hobbsee, yeah, makes sense
[12:46] <JMFTheVCI> nado: use the package manager, highlight the package of choice, from menu item "packages" click on "force version". Then you can pick the level you want.
[12:47] <nado> JMFTheVCI: thanks, will try that
[12:48] <BUGabundo> nado: what don't you like? maybe you should make a construtive comment to the autors?
[12:49] <nado> BUGabundo: i already contributed a few ideas, as far as they could tell me they are being developed, but not done yet
[12:49] <nado> for example searching the playlist was way easier in 1.4
[12:50] <nado> there are no dynamic playlists yet, etc.
[12:50] <tabgal> nado, +1, but as far as I understand, the thing is building new K apps with the K infrastructure, plugins, etc, so it's not 'up to speed' yet
[12:52] <nado> JMFTheVCI: force version is greyed out for amarok, any idea?
[12:52] <cyberix> BUGabundo: Human or Human-Clearlooks?
[12:52] <nado> tabgal: yup, i understand that, i'm not hurrying anyone, i just like the older version :)
[12:53] <tabgal> :)
[12:53] <BUGabundo> cyberix: ahh?
[12:53] <cyberix> BUGabundo: These are the two brown themes I seem to have installed
[12:53] <JMFTheVCI> Nado: This is probably because there is a missing source to go back to. You have to ask someone with a bit more knowledge than me.
[12:54] <nado> JMFTheVCI: alright, nevermind. thanks anyway
[12:56] <BUGabundo> cyberix: I lost context.. sorry
[12:58] <cyberix> BUGabundo: What is the Ubuntu name for "the brown menace"?
[12:58] <BUGabundo> ahh yes cyberix
[12:58] <BUGabundo> cause of the theme
[12:59] <danbhfive_jaunt1> anyone know how to get a fix in xorg looked at, and commited if possible?
[13:07] <tabgal> danbhfive_jaunt1, you mean upstream or in jaunty?
[13:08] <danbhfive_jaunt1> sorry, pidgin crashed, I assume you are talking about me mentioning a bug in xorg?
[13:08] <tmeixner> why are there some "blocked updates" - how can I enable them?
[13:08] <danbhfive_jaunt1> tabgal: ^
[13:09] <tabgal> yep
[13:10] <danbhfive_jaunt1> tabgal: well, it seems to be fixed upstream, and someone just backported the fix to jaunty.  Its in a ppa.  I want to know how to get that into mainline jaunty
[13:10] <tabgal> ok, you can open a bug and point it to the patch
[13:11] <tabgal> I mean, open it in launchpad then put "see over there for the fix"
[13:11] <danbhfive_jaunt1> like: "please include this fix in jaunty"?
[13:11] <tabgal> yep
[13:11] <danbhfive_jaunt1> mk
[13:12] <tabgal> maybe they won't put it in because of some schedule issues, but apart from that
[13:13] <danbhfive_jaunt1> hehe, I got around 40 people subscribed.  We will stage a protest if they dont!
[13:18] <tabgal> danbhfive_jaunt1, which bug btw?
[13:19] <danbhfive_jaunt1> tabgal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/264196
[13:19] <tabgal> aah pl
[13:22] <simba_> hi, just did an update (aptitude upgrade) of my kubuntu jaunty, and now usplash has a different ressolution and crashes when i am typing the pass to unlock root partition.
[13:23] <peace> lol
[13:24] <jway> what is the indicator applet in jaunty?
[13:24] <peace> i am on kubuntu too and it works fine less atheros wifi damned
[13:24] <jway> right now my statusbar says "no indicators"
[13:24] <Starcraftmazter> Can someone give me advice on where to get the source code for the program, "shutdown" in /usr/sbin and how to recompile (ie. if i need to use any special flags)
[13:25] <danbhfive_jaunt1> peace: I had trouble for a bit.  I found killing nm for 30 seconds, and then restarting it worked well
[13:25] <peace> danbhfive_jaunt1: i have phono netwokmanager
[13:25] <peace> phonon
[13:25] <peace> or maybe widget
[13:26] <peace> iwlist  wlan0  scan
[13:26] <peace> wlan0     No scan results
[13:26] <peace> that's
[13:26] <peace> xD
[13:26] <danbhfive_jaunt1> peace: you need to use with sudo
[13:27] <peace> wth
[13:27] <peace> you right
[13:28] <danbhfive_jaunt1> yep!  You can read the man page for more info, but basically without sudo, it just returns the last scan.  No new scan
[13:29] <peace> omg
[13:29] <peace> OMG
[13:29] <peace> hihih
[13:34] <sagredo> hi. I broke my x - I think ubuntu removed the kernel
[13:34] <danbhfive_jaunt1> sagredo: x doesnt equal the kernel
[13:35] <sagredo> danbhfive_jaunt1: you must have been an honors student
[13:35] <Starcraftmazter> ok, where do downloaded source code files go to ? =/
[13:35] <danbhfive_jaunt1> sagredo: but here is my quick fix for missing dependencies: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ && sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[13:36] <danbhfive_jaunt1> Starcraftmazter: in a the folder from which you ran the command
[13:36] <Starcraftmazter> really? sonofa
[13:36] <theholyduck> danbhfive_jaunt1, why would the folder matter?
[13:37] <sagredo> when I try to "startx", Ubuntu returns "fatal error: Couldn't bind memory for B0 front buffer"
[13:37] <sagredo> any ideas?
[13:37] <danbhfive_jaunt1> theholyduck: I don't follow your question
[13:37] <sagredo> danbhfive_jaunt1: I'll try that, thanks
[13:37] <theholyduck> danbhfive_jaunt1, ah didnt see you answered a diffrent guy on the "in a folder..."
[13:38] <crdlb> sagredo: isn't that the intel bug in the release notes?
[13:38] <danbhfive_jaunt1> sagredo: fyi, the ^ is not a typo
[13:38] <sagredo> danbhfive_jaunt1: why is there a '^' after desktop?
[13:38] <sagredo> danbhfive_jaunt1: alright
[13:38] <sagredo> crdlb: It could be, I cannot get on google to check :(
[13:38] <crdlb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871
[13:38] <sagredo> crdlb: I just installed lynx though for some terminal web browsing
[13:39] <sagredo> crdlb: could you relay a fix to me?
[13:40] <crdlb> I don't know of one
[13:40] <zash> weird thingy, when running nautilus under xfce, closing nautilus automaticaly restarts it.
[13:40] <zash> would that be a bug in nautilus or xfce-session
[13:42] <sagredo> crdlb: are there any fixes listed?
[13:46] <crdlb> sagredo: has it worked on jaunty before?
[13:54] <sagredo> crdlb: probably not, I read the bug report and it just got assigned to a fix 2 days ago
[13:54] <crdlb> what do you mean "probaly not"?
[13:55] <crdlb> I meant has it worked for you in jaunty? ie did it just break for no apparent reason?
[13:56] <sagredo> crdlb: this was the first boot after updating the kernel/distro
[13:59] <crdlb> sagredo: if you want X, you can use the vesa driver
[14:00] <sagredo> crdlb: how do I switch? Someone also recommended add "DefaultDepth 18" under the screen listeing in the Xorg.conf
[14:00] <crdlb> probably 16, not 18
[14:01] <sagredo> crdlb: Right, 16
[14:01] <sagredo> crdlb: just woke up ;)
[14:01] <sagredo> crdlb: how can I set the vesa display driver?
[14:01] <crdlb> just put   Driver "vesa"   in Section "Device"
[14:02] <theholyduck> so. why doesnt the default ubuntu install have dialog?
[14:03] <sagredo> crdlb: I'll try the DefaultDepth fix first, ty for you help today
[14:03] <crdlb> theholyduck: because it has zenity?
[14:03] <BUGabundo> hay
[14:03] <BUGabundo> "/usr/share/themes/DarkRoom/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:83: Murrine configuration option "highlight_ratio" will be deprecated in future releases. Please use "highlight_shade" instead."
[14:03] <theholyduck> crdlb, but thats not console based.
[14:03] <BUGabundo> what's this about?
[14:03] <theholyduck> crdlb, and most distros dont have it
[14:04] <theholyduck> crdlb, id rather write something more portable
[14:04] <crdlb> BUGabundo: what do you mean? it seems pretty self-explanatory
[14:05] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: author of Murrine changed "highlight_ratio" ?
[14:05] <theholyduck> well adding a check for distro and dialog function at the start of the script isnt too hard i guess
[14:06] <crdlb> theholyduck: ah, I was thinking that was one of those ugly Xlib message dialog apps
[14:06] <theholyduck> crdlb, no :P
[14:06] <theholyduck> dialog is a ncurses thingy
[14:06] <theholyduck> its a bit of a pain to work with. but its doable
[14:07] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: crdlb should I file a bug?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> just not sure about what
[14:08] <BUGabundo> the theme or pidgin
[14:08] <crdlb> if you got both the engine and the theme from the repos, sure
[14:08] <charlie-tca> Where did it show up?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> pidgin
[14:08] <crdlb> any app's stderr should show it
[14:08] <crdlb> any gtk app that is
[14:08] <charlie-tca> Murrine comes from gnome, we just sync it
[14:09] <BUGabundo> so the new update brought that
[14:09] <charlie-tca> I would think not a problem until/if it breaks something
[14:09] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:10] <BUGabundo> I rather let the ones in charge know before stuff blows
[14:10] <crdlb> indeed
[14:10] <BUGabundo> we are close to beta (one week)
[14:10] <BUGabundo> so what packages?
[14:10] <crdlb> it's not going to break in the jaunty timeframe (other than the deprecation warning) though
[14:10] <crdlb> whatever package contains DarkRoom
[14:11] <charlie-tca> yes, gtk2-engines-murrine is the source for Murrine
[14:12] <charlie-tca> It just upgraded in jaunty to 0.90.2
[14:14] <crdlb> I don't think murrine is part of gnome, btw
[14:14] <BUGabundo> didn't we just get a new kernel?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> are they coming out by pairs now?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> heh, they might be...
[14:15] <BUGabundo> time to remove stuff from back -7
[14:15] <BUGabundo> guess -8 can go too
[14:16] <BUGabundo> anybody else feels that apport-cli could have a flag to send a bug without stopping?
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Well, it might not be part of gnome, but the author says : You can track the changes here: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/murrine/trunk/
[14:17] <charlie-tca> no, BUGabundo. Most of the time, I want to look at the report first to see if it got the information
[14:18] <crdlb> charlie-tca: yeah, it's not hard to get a module in gnome svn :)
[14:18] <charlie-tca> That is all I went by.
[14:18] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/345417
[14:18] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: sure... options are good
[14:19] <BUGabundo> I just want a flag that I can alias
[14:19]  * charlie-tca likes choices
[14:19] <BUGabundo> to not stop
[14:19] <crdlb> BUGabundo: no, the bug is in DarkRoom
[14:19] <BUGabundo> if I need to look at the report I'll issue the proper flag too
[14:19] <BUGabundo> crdlb: so murrain isn't it?
[14:20] <charlie-tca> That would be okay. It is just that the last many changes when the option was requested resulted in a *big* loss of choices
[14:20] <crdlb> the engine deprecated an old option, but it's the theme that needs to be changed
[14:21]  * BUGabundo frees 369MiBs of kernels
[14:21] <crdlb> according to dpkg -S, DarkRoom is in human-theme
[14:23] <nonnii> I just installed ufw and my log is filled with connects to DST=xx.xx.xx.255 and the DPT=137, so I think that bug number 209709 is back. I have those lines suggested in the bugreport in /etc/ufw/after.rules. Why is this?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> crdlb: chaning then
[14:29] <BUGabundo> bug 345417 updated
[14:37] <gnomefreak> please tell me someone else has a problem printing (before yesterdays and todays updates, i have cups updates so dont know when its done if i can
[14:40] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I've printed today
[14:40] <BUGabundo> no prob as far as I can tell
[14:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: hp printer?
[14:41] <gnomefreak> its telling me its not connected it works in Intrepid
[14:41] <BUGabundo> no
[14:41] <BUGabundo> richo
[14:41] <billybigrigger_> i have an hp, lemme check it out gnomefreak, these are as of today's updates?
[14:42] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: im updating cups and crap atm so when its done ill try again
[14:45] <krzd> hi, i don't get sound of my subwoofer at 5.1 using pulseaudio. what can i do?
[14:46] <leleobhz> someone can help-me to find the replacement for /etc/inittab for ubuntu?
[14:47] <billybigrigger_> gnomefreak, i see new foomatic-filters updates, and foomatic-db-engine
[14:47] <billybigrigger_> gnomefreak, you have those packages installed?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: yeah i did too so ill wait for updates to finish
[14:47] <billybigrigger_> didnt see anything for cups though...
[14:47] <billybigrigger_> you have a cups update?
[14:52] <billybigrigger_> new wallpapers today
[14:52] <billybigrigger_> wow, never gonna get off the brown theme eh? i thought we might get somewhere with the new gdm but i guess not...
[14:53] <billybigrigger_> now the new gdm feels out of place being black and dark, new wallpapers look the similar to intrepid
[14:53] <billybigrigger_> bah
[14:55] <MedozasSVR> hi - i have a hp2133 - runs so far (installed with the usb installer) with jaunty ... now i have some questions - and informations netbook-launcher is really slow - takes up to 100% cpu usage ... how can i get rid of netbook-launcher and restore default behaviour for ubuntu (just like a desktop) ? - sorry, but this is my second ubuntu installation ever (however been using *nix and ubuntu server for ages ;))
[14:57] <MedozasSVR> ah - i found the switch desktop mode - thats great
[14:58] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: sorry it was pythonbups helper i saw and i do have update for system-config-printer*
[14:59] <billybigrigger_> gnomefreak, so is your printing working? do i need to test?
[15:00] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: not sure updates are still going
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> oh
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> k
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> well im fully updated gonna test anywho
[15:01] <gnomefreak> 283 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ;) and that is 1 1/2 days
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> well i have thunderbird giving me XML Parsing Erroer: not well-formed
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> thats new
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> i just printed off emails like 2 days ago..
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> trying print from firefox
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> print from firefox is good to go
[15:06] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: restart thunderbird after upgrade? thats normally when you see XML parsing errors if you dotn restart it
[15:06] <billybigrigger_> k
[15:07] <billybigrigger_> gnomefreak, cool, g2g
[15:07] <billybigrigger_> well printing works great here on my hp
[15:08] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: thats i give a try in a few
[15:13] <krzd> my update manger doesn'T send a notification when there are new updates, how do i change that?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger karmic koala is going Green
[15:16] <billybigrigger_> going green?
[15:16] <billybigrigger_> as in enviro-friendly green you mean?
[15:17] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, or you mean theme/colors?
[15:19] <gnomefreak> krzd: add the applet to the panel. its called notifiaction applet or something along those lines give me a minute and ill check on the name
[15:20] <billybigrigger_> indicator-applet
[15:20] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger as far as Mark's blog, theme I think
[15:20] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: thanks thats it
[15:20] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you tired today?
[15:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yep very
[15:21] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, as long as its not too SUSEy looking im all for a new theme/color change
[15:21] <BUGabundo> eheeheheheheh
[15:22] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:22] <BUGabundo> anyone in touch with design/artwork team?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> it would be nice to have some tips
[15:24] <billybigrigger_> krzd, if your system is up-to-date you should already have the indicator-applet in your panel i think
[15:25] <MisterSheep> hello all...
[15:25] <MisterSheep> got januty working on my eeepc
[15:25] <MisterSheep> lovely stuff
[15:25] <MisterSheep> works quite nicely now
[15:25] <MisterSheep> without the need to stick on the array.org custom kernel
[15:26] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger_: i had to add it but i also removed it and set update-mangler to not check for updates
[15:26] <billybigrigger_> hmm a sudo apt-get update doesnt show any new updates in indicator-applet, is this right?
[15:27] <billybigrigger_> so no more update-manager? is it all done through indicator-applet now?
[15:34] <krzd> ah ok, i didn'T know for what this is and removed it gg
[15:34] <krzd> thx
[15:36] <billybigrigger_> my sound is borked today
[15:37] <billybigrigger_> anyone else get sound? i got nothing in vlc, mp3's, flash sounds nothing after todays update
[15:39] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger mine is fixed!!!
[15:39] <BUGabundo> so many thanks to the audio team!
[15:39] <BUGabundo> 2 months without audio!!!
[15:40] <billybigrigger_> lol
[15:40] <billybigrigger_> fine on my laptop
[15:40] <billybigrigger_> desktop is borked
[15:40] <o0Chris0o> having issues with mine too, its all static,
[15:41] <billybigrigger_> yup exactly
[15:41] <BUGabundo> no no no!!!
[15:41] <BUGabundo> don't touch it now!!!
[15:41] <BUGabundo> finally I have sound!!!
[15:41]  * BUGabundo stupid typo!
[15:45] <askand> Is partial upgrades bad?
[15:46] <billybigrigger_> not unless you force them, usually end up with something broken if you force them
[15:47] <gnomefreak> partial kernel isnt good
[15:52] <BUGabundo> need confirmation
[15:52] <BUGabundo> flash on FF 3.1 using youtube FullScreen shows up on laptop display and not external LCD where FF is opened!
[15:52] <BUGabundo> bug is on FF, flash, nvidia driver, or you tube player?
[15:53] <krzd> bye
[16:03] <seinfeldrox> hoi
[16:05] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: ola
[16:08] <BUGabundo> cwillu: seems uswsusp got fixed! woot
[16:09] <BUGabundo> speedy hibernate will be back!
[16:09]  * BUGabundo changes conf file to use uswsusp
[16:09] <BUGabundo> /etc/pm/config.d/00sleep_module
[16:10] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331101
[16:14] <c_korn> hello. is there some way to disable the prompt for "really restart/shutdown?" http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11259/screen_001_2Ut1gx.png
[16:16] <krzd> hi, after the last update now, the font in the terminal and in nautilus is very big, how do i change that?
[16:19] <seinfeldrox> c_korn: that is a really annoying thing that they have put in jaunty
[16:19] <seinfeldrox> we should file a bug report for that
[16:28] <c_korn> seinfeldrox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/345480
[16:29] <gnomefreak> cant disable it in gconf editor?
[16:30] <c_korn> gnomefreak: I did not find an option for it
[16:30] <c_korn> (see the second screenshot attached)
[16:30] <gnomefreak> c_korn: ok just checking
[16:32] <BUGabundo> krzd: asac as been messing with fonts and fontconfig
[16:32] <krzd> oh, i see there were just wrong settings set by ubgrading
[16:32] <BUGabundo> but he is very bizy now
[16:32] <krzd> now i checked the defaults and set it to it and it works
[16:32] <BUGabundo> wait
[16:32] <BUGabundo> are you saying you upgrade from ibex?
[16:32] <krzd> now
[16:32] <BUGabundo> if so, that its normal, we no longer force 96 DPIs
[16:32] <krzd> no, internal upgrade
[16:33] <BUGabundo> oh ok then
[16:33] <krzd> so what are the default settings of jaunty?
[16:33] <krzd> font size 10? how much dpi?
[16:34] <krzd> i just have set the default settings of intrepid ...
[16:36] <Aberration> OOOhhh cool.. I didn't know this channel!
[16:36] <Aberration> Well still
[16:36] <Aberration> er
[16:36] <Aberration> Is there a real time kernel for the ubuntu to come?
[16:37] <billybigrigger_> krzd, did you fix your font problem? it could be font rendering set too high
[16:38] <billybigrigger_> krzd, i found the font size was ok, but the dpi was set too high
[16:38] <nonnii> Aberration, linux-image-rt
[16:38] <krzd> as said, i set the default of intrepid, so its 96 set and so it works
[16:38] <seinfeldrox> c_korn: thx for tht
[16:39] <virtuelv> what is indicator-applet?
[16:39] <billybigrigger_> virtuald, system wide notifications
[16:40] <Aberration> nonnii so the answer is yes... cause the last version was RT-less
[16:40] <billybigrigger_> virtuald, for xchat, pidgin, system updates, etc...
[16:40] <billybigrigger_> i think it does evolution messages too
[16:41] <billybigrigger_> krzd, sorry missed that, should have scrolled up a bit :P
[16:41] <virtuelv> billybigrigger_: I figured that much out, but I'm after other intended uses
[16:41] <virtuelv> such as providing persistent notifications for update-manager?
[16:41] <krzd> no problem^^
[16:42] <BUGabundo> back
[16:43] <krzd> hmm i can't see the indicator applet in my panel, even no notifications on updating package list and so on
[16:43] <c_korn> seinfeldrox: would be better if I also knew how to fix it and write a patch. so it can be fixed sooner
[16:43] <krzd> also no notification that there are some updates
[16:44] <teethdood> anyone having problems watching videos? all the apps (totem, vlc, mplayer) crash
[16:44] <dimitree> no sound after the updates what to do ?
[16:45] <billybigrigger_> no sound here either
[16:45] <BUGabundo> heeh
[16:46] <BUGabundo> im the lucky one
[16:46] <krzd> ah, it hung
[16:47] <virtuelv> krzd: it was invisible until I started gaim, at which point it magically appeared :D
[16:47] <krzd> it seems that it hadn't hung
[16:48] <krzd> virtuelv, i don't have gaim, only gaijim
[16:48] <dimitree> BUG you lucky bastard ;)
[16:48] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: aint gaim for years
[16:49] <BUGabundo> its now Pidgin
[16:49] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: yeah, old habits die hard
[16:49] <BUGabundo> dimitree: I was soundless for 2 months
[16:50] <virtuelv> hm, soundless here too
[16:50] <dimitree> BUG oh ok i take it back then :)
[16:50] <krzd> i have another problem: i installed a package and because i couldn't remove it, i deleted simply the files, but now ther is everytime an error wich says that the files are missing of the package (zatto), how do i fix that
[16:51] <virtuelv> err, broke in quodlibet, rather, but works in totem
[16:51] <virtuelv> and now works in ql as well
[16:52] <dimitree> it was hard yesterday when an update destroyed my DVB drivers :) but now ..... both DVB and sound gone
[16:52] <dimitree> ;(
[16:53] <sammy> so lets say a package stops working due to an xserver change. the developer is notified, the developer implements a fix in the current development tree. said pacakge is usually synced from debian repositories, so the current version in jaunty is the current debian testing version
[16:53] <krzd> i have to go, bye
[16:54] <sammy> now this fix has been applied to the testing tree, but lets assume that the developers aren't planning on releasing a new minor version any time soon. would the debian maintainer repackage the current version with the fix applied? I'm thinking as I type this that this probably isn't a standard process across all or even most packages
[16:55] <sammy> but for sure, the jaunty version is non-functional without this fix applied. should the new release be up to the developer? it seems like they've done their job, and now it's up to the package maintainer, and they don't need to wait for the developers to release a new minor version to update their package.
[16:56] <sammy> if its not up to the developer, then *I* could make the new package with the fix applied, test it, and send the package to the debian package maintainer, which, once it was committed to the testing branch, it would get autosynced to the jaunty repository? I need to learn more about the release cyle in ubuntu.
[16:56] <askand> Now I have an interesting problem I would be happy if someone could help me solve! During upgrade of libvolume I had to hard reboot the system. After that the system wont boot. Error while loading shared libraries: /lib/volume_id.so.1: file to short
[16:56] <askand> I cant get to a terminal
[16:58] <askand> Any ideas?
[16:58]  * BUGabundo gets is gun out! grrrrrrrrr
[16:58] <BUGabundo> audio got broken again!!!
[16:58] <BUGabundo> it was fixed this morning
[16:58] <BUGabundo> time to revert update
[16:59] <dimitree> lol
[16:59] <crdlb> sammy: make sure there's a bug in launchpad for it?
[17:00] <BUGabundo> dimitree: don't laught!
[17:00] <sammy> crdlb: there is, and the debian package maintainer is on the cc list for the bug in launchpad. I guess I was just curious if I wanted to be a package maintainer, if I'd be waiting for a new upstream version, or if when it says 'fix released' and the fix is a simple one file patch, that I would repackage the latest version in testing and be done with it, since its a critical bug
[17:00] <BUGabundo> its pulseaudio (0.9.14-0ubuntu14)
[17:00] <dimitree> sorry BUG
[17:01] <BUGabundo> downgrading package
[17:01] <BUGabundo> anyone else wants old package?
[17:02] <dimitree> holy cow another bunch of updates lol
[17:02] <sammy> I had to fiddle with my pulseaudio conf since I'm one of the poor shmucks that ... I'm the opposite of most users, I forget which side of the tsched issue that puts me on. but I have a non-standard default.pa
[17:03] <sammy> though, while sounds and music in most programs seem to work, nothing after my login noise plays as far as alert and system sounds. I just get pc speaker beeps after that. though that may be a gtk+ issue apparently.
[17:03] <BUGabundo> hey we have a new tab for sound theme on Volume Control
[17:04] <dimitree> yep :) too bad there's no sound hahaha
[17:04] <seinfeldrox> hi i know this is offtopic but one quick question
[17:04] <seinfeldrox> does anyone here have a pc with esata port?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> okay audio again
[17:05] <BUGabundo> now to fix stupid exaile
[17:05] <seinfeldrox> does anyone know whether the same port can be used for usb as well as esata
[17:05] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: its not commom
[17:05] <seinfeldrox> ie 1 port 2 type of devices can be connected
[17:06] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: what is not common ? esata? or 1 port with esata and usb?
[17:07] <sammy> 100 words or less, BUGabundo; why exaile over banshee/rhythmbox/exfalso. I'm still deciding my default audio player and I'm finding they all do... 50% maybe 60% the same thing, then the features are all over the place.
[17:07] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: having both on the same port
[17:07] <BUGabundo> sammy: I like exayle
[17:08] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: but it is possible?
[17:08] <dimitree> still no sound lol
[17:08] <BUGabundo> stupid tip of the day: don't ctrl+x on pidgin cli opener
[17:09] <sammy> well you could have used more words than that :P
[17:09] <BUGabundo> bah
[17:09] <BUGabundo> ctrl+c that is
[17:10] <sammy> and I can't get behind pidgin, which is sad, but they just don't have the jabber support. I was an avid gaim user back in the day.
[17:10] <BUGabundo> sammy: please hit with your head on the wall 3 times
[17:11] <BUGabundo> and then say that again
[17:11] <sammy> well 'back in the day' sure before I started using jabber and transports for msn/aim/yahoo so I didn't need a cross-protocol client.
[17:12] <BUGabundo> I use it for everytnig
[17:12] <BUGabundo> other then fetching rss feeds
[17:12] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: but it is possible?
[17:12] <sammy> pidgin doesn't have very good jabber support, jabber muc support, jabber transport support, and they've said they're not interested in keeping up with such an evolving protocol until it settles down.
[17:12] <seinfeldrox> sammy: try empathy my fav client
[17:13] <BUGabundo> don't like its UI
[17:13] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: pls answer quickly ^^ ques as its imp
[17:13] <BUGabundo> sammy: I do all of that on my pidgin
[17:13] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: nothing to add
[17:13] <UnderTaker> How can i reqest an updated game for jaunty?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> UnderTaker: too late
[17:14] <BUGabundo> past feature freeze
[17:14] <BUGabundo> now only FFe can do it
[17:14] <BUGabundo>  !ffe
[17:14] <UnderTaker> even if its universe?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:14] <UnderTaker> ok
[17:14] <BUGabundo> but ask on motu or #ubuntu-devel
[17:15] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: ok so pls ur  confirming that u have seen or surely know that having both on same port is actually possible and done right?just need to confirm this
[17:15] <BUGabundo> who knows, maybe you get a dev that enjoys the game
[17:15] <BUGabundo> UnderTaker: what game is it?
[17:15] <UnderTaker> flightgear
[17:15] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: I have not seen a dual port usb/esata
[17:15] <cwillu> seinfeldrox, please use full words, 'pls ur u' is really hard to read
[17:15] <BUGabundo>  !package flightgear
[17:15] <BUGabundo>  !info flightgear
[17:15] <BUGabundo> stupid bot won't accept spaces
[17:16] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: do u know if such a thing exists or heard or read about it earlier?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: I have not seen a dual port usb/esata
[17:16] <BUGabundo> seinfeldrox: I have not heard of a dual port usb/esata
[17:16] <UnderTaker> !info flightgear
[17:16] <seinfeldrox> cwillu: sorry but common man this is chat isnt such a lingo meant for this to save time
[17:16] <seinfeldrox> BUGabundo: ok thx
[17:16] <cwillu> seinfeldrox, not here
[17:16] <UnderTaker> the latest version is 1.9 i think
[17:17] <UnderTaker> I guess i will compile it than
[17:17] <vonkleist> hi
[17:17] <cwillu> !ur | seinfeldrox
[17:17] <BUGabundo> UnderTaker: place it in a PPA
[17:17] <BUGabundo> and then ask for a sync once karmic repos open
[17:18] <UnderTaker> ok i just got to figure out how to make a deb package since i am sort of new to compiling
[17:18] <vonkleist> I'm using kubuntu jaunty. After a recent upgrade, GTK applications stopped showing my KDE or Qt theme... is that some known bug, or should I open a new one?
[17:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu: did you read the backlog?
[17:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo, trying too :p
[17:18] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331101 fixed!
[17:19] <cwillu> seinfeldrox, an esata port is a different shape from usb, and they're different electrically as well
[17:19]  * cwillu huggles BUGabundo
[17:19] <cwillu> BUGabundo, unfortunately, they broke my intel-gem workaround at the same time in a kernel update :p
[17:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:19] <BUGabundo> what patch was that?
[17:20] <seinfeldrox> cwillu: so you are saying that it is impossible for it to be with same port?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> cwillu: actually they both provide 12v
[17:20] <BUGabundo> actually 11.8v
[17:20] <cwillu> BUGabundo, so?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> or is it 5.8v
[17:20] <cwillu> seinfeldrox, what are you trying to do?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> never mind... OT
[17:20] <cwillu> seinfeldrox, esata is just a sata port with a more rugged connector on it
[17:20] <cwillu> usb is something else entirely
[17:22] <seinfeldrox> ok. thx
[17:23] <cwillu> factually incorrect:  you can fix a major potato shortage with just potatoes
[17:23] <dimitree> i will write a song :) ubuntuuuu give me back my sounddd laa laaa
[17:23] <dimitree> all the settings are there in the volume control and they are all dead lol
[17:24] <eMaX> hi
[17:24] <eMaX> did hidd just disappear?
[17:24] <eMaX> I lost support for my bluetooth mouse with the last update
[17:26] <dimitree> do you have sound ?
[17:26] <eMaX> wait a sec
[17:27] <eMaX> hmm
[17:27] <eMaX> flash plugin in ff also gone
[17:27] <eMaX> I'll go for a reboot
[17:27] <eMaX> then
[17:27] <dimitree> good luck
[17:27] <dimitree> nice update broke the sound of 99% of people lol
[17:29] <seinfeldrox> when is beta?
[17:31] <blizzkid> lo all. I'm a bit stuck here, I'm trying to install a printer driver, and it seems to install fine, but when running ekpstm I get this error: ekpstm: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:31] <blizzkid> Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[17:33] <blizzkid> nevermind, in the meantime I found a newer version of the driver
[17:33] <genii> blizzkid: You have libgnutls-dev installed? It provides the libgnutls.so , not sure about the .13 however
[17:34] <blizzkid> genii: yeah I had all dependencies, but I must have misclicked when downloading, I downloaded version 3.3, but wanted 3.5
[17:34] <blizzkid> 3.5 doesn't seem to have the error
[17:34] <eMaX> dimitree, can live w/o sound but not w/o mouse :)
[17:34] <eMaX> brb
[17:34] <genii> blizzkid: Glad it seems resolved now
[17:34] <dimitree> ahahaha eMaX
[17:39] <eMaX> re
[17:39] <eMaX> dimitree, well
[17:39] <eMaX> mouse is still gone and I can well detect it through gnome, but it doesn't pair.
[17:39] <eMaX> when I try to do it manually, I find that hidd has disappeared.
[17:40] <dimitree> eMaX i think this alpha is too alpha for me :) i'm switching distros lol too noobish :)
[17:40] <eMaX> well the alpha is pretty stable anyway
[17:41] <eMaX> every couple of hours of course you replace half of your os, but that's fine there's always something to find out. compare that to windows. nothing new since 20 years and still sucks
[17:41] <dimitree> ahahaha right :)
[17:41] <eMaX> pulseaudio is coming back now anyway
[17:42] <dimitree> i did learn bunch of stuff but it's just too much pain when everything works and after an update its all broken
[17:42] <eMaX> well. it is not all broken. even gdm came back (I had even disabled it in /etc/init.d/) after the reboot and works
[17:43] <dimitree> lol
[17:45] <eMaX> brb
[17:51] <eMaX> re
[17:57] <exco> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_IndicatorApplet".
[17:57] <exco> do I remove it? - or what is it?
[17:58] <eMaX> re
[17:59] <eMaX> so hidd is back with the bluez-compat package this time.
[17:59] <eMaX> pheww
[17:59] <eMaX> dimitree, and sound
[18:02] <BUGabundo> gym time
[18:05] <MTecknology> I'm trying to launch pidgin and I'm getting this error - Exiting because another libpurple client is already running.
[18:06] <MTecknology> anyone here of that happening yet?
[18:08] <MTecknology> there we go :)
[18:09] <thiebaude> MTecknology: i never heard of that, but see if you can close libpurple in system monitor
[18:11] <MTecknology> wow - there's a lot of updates
[18:12] <o0Chris> MTecknology: yeah everyday there is al ot of updates usually
[18:12] <MTecknology> o0Chris: 122 today
[18:13] <MTecknology> that's over 1/10 of all that packages that i have?
[18:13] <o0Chris> MTecknology: heh, I like to get updates, its awsome, means its one step closer :DDD
[18:14] <MTecknology> o0Chris: I wasn't complaining - i'm the cause of three of the updates
[18:15] <o0Chris> MTecknology: not sure where you got that I said you were complaining....because I never said such thing...
[18:15] <ViaNocturna> hey
[18:16] <ViaNocturna> does anyone know if theres gonna be better support for Iphone in Jaunty?
[18:16] <o0Chris> MTecknology: nvm, I mis-read
[18:17] <MTecknology> ya, can be taken both ways
[18:17] <cwillu> ViaNocturna, if you mean sync'ing, that's an open problem.  Somebody needs to figure out how to write and sign a valid db to the iphone/itouch before anything will happen
[18:17] <theholyduck> ViaNocturna, well i dunno if there are any apps for doing stuff with the iphone on linux :P
[18:17] <exco> is OAFIID:GNOME_IndicatorApplet still in use in Jaunty or can I remove it?
[18:17] <cwillu> ViaNocturna, complain to apple if that's not good enough :p
[18:18] <ViaNocturna> well theres the idea of wifi connecting and using Cynthia(is that right?) in order to connect but its a mess
[18:18] <ViaNocturna> id complain to apple if they cared about the linux community lol
[18:18] <cwillu> ViaNocturna, they'd care if enough people complained :p
[18:18] <theholyduck> cwillu, well enough people being sevral thousand
[18:19] <cwillu> yes?
[18:19] <theholyduck> the iphone is more popular than god in alot of areas of clueless people
[18:19] <cwillu> and?
[18:19] <cwillu> sorry, I thought you had a point :p
[18:19] <theholyduck> cwillu, people with a clue generally dont buy iphones
[18:19] <theholyduck> and people without a clue dont use linux
[18:19] <ViaNocturna> i know but i like shiny things :-P
[18:19] <theholyduck> thusly the amount of iphone users who ALSO use linux. but DOESNT jailbreak their iphone.
[18:19] <theholyduck> cant be more than like a couple of hundred
[18:20] <theholyduck> ViaNocturna, meh, its not really that shiny or featurefull.
[18:20] <theholyduck> id rather wait for the second generation of android phones
[18:20] <ViaNocturna> no i found out too late
[18:20] <cwillu> ViaNocturna, anyways, yes, send in a complaint, that's the only way things will change on their end
[18:21] <cwillu> in the mean time, itunes will run and sync the iphone in a vm, although that's still fairly painful to get working the first time
[18:22] <ViaNocturna> well for now i am going to just going to use my mums Windows to sync my tunes, and complain to apple
[18:22] <o0Chris> will it work in wine?
[18:22] <cwillu> none of this is really ubuntu's problem though, you'd need to go upstream to the gpod/ipodsleuth/libipod people
[18:22] <ViaNocturna> as far as i know Itunes doesnt work well with Wine
[18:23] <cwillu> o0Chris, no, unless something's changed in the last month
[18:23] <cwillu> s/changed/been fixed/
[18:23] <cwillu> lots of stuff has changed :p
[18:23] <o0Chris> ahh
[18:24] <ViaNocturna> well i thought since the ubuntu masters help so many problems with the windows compatibility I thought it be my best shot
[18:25] <Whitor> ViaNocturna, check out Sun's Virtualbox ... its free and worked very well for all of the machines I've seen it on ... ( I use Vmware server 2 (also free) but perhaps a tiny bit more of a pain)
[18:25] <Whitor> dang
[18:25] <edgy> Hi, I have an ATI 3400 series and today I faced a problem with the latest update that I have a black screen and cannot log on. I removed fglrx, radeon, ati xorg packages and now I am in, but I have a poor resolution, what shall I do?
[18:26] <cwillu> panic
[18:26] <Whitor> rerun xconfig or configx ? no idea... totally guessing
[18:27] <cwillu> reinstall the video packages
[18:27] <Whitor> panic is a great option too
[18:29] <theholyduck> edgy, hd 3400 ?
[18:29] <Whitor> edgy, Ask in #compiz they have a lot of video card experience
[18:29] <LordKow> if you wanted to reconfigure xorg then you should run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:29] <theholyduck> Whitor, i got the fix for it thoguh
[18:29] <theholyduck> Whitor, xorg is basicly THINKING its being clever
[18:29] <theholyduck> while being very stupid
[18:29] <theholyduck> if its a hd 3400 card :P
[18:30] <theholyduck> im guessing he has the exact same issue as me with my hd 3650
[18:30] <Whitor> LordKow, is on the ball here
[18:30] <theholyduck> Whitor, but that gives you a blank xorg doesnt it?
[18:30] <theholyduck> Whitor, wich doesnt resolve the problem in the least bit :)
[18:30] <Whitor> blank xorg ? huh ?
[18:31] <theholyduck> Whitor, what you NEED to do is by hand add Driver   "radeonhd" to the device section manually
[18:31] <Whitor> theholyduck, not my Q ...
[18:31] <theholyduck> xorgs autodetection cocks up and choses something else it seems. thus giving you a blank screen :P
[18:31] <theholyduck> Whitor, well empty entries
[18:32] <cwillu> Whitor, #compiz probably wouldn't appreciate us sending our alpha-testing troubles into their world
[18:32] <Whitor> cwillu, heh, prolly true
[18:32]  * Whitor goes to sit in a corner
[18:33] <theholyduck> edgy, is it a hd 3400 ?
[18:33] <theholyduck> http://pastebin.ca/1365454 Whitor
[18:33] <edgy> theholyduck: it's hd3450
[18:33] <o0Chris> can't wait till this sound issue is fixed :(
[18:33] <theholyduck> edgy, read that pastebin
[18:33]  * cwillu goes to poke Whitor with a stick
[18:33] <theholyduck> just edit xorg.conf accordingly
[18:34] <edgy> LordKow: when I run dpkg-reconfigure it doesn't ask me of the type like ati, radeon or whatever
[18:34] <cwillu> edgy, you uninstalled all the relevant xorg drivers
[18:34] <theholyduck> cwillu, it DOESNT ask that anymore though :P
[18:34] <theholyduck> at all :P
[18:34] <theholyduck> ubuntu relies 100% on xorgs faulty autoconfiguration
[18:34] <edgy> cwillu: this is the only way I found to chat with you ;)
[18:35] <cwillu> theholyduck, because it's all autodetected on startup (basically, it does what dpkg-reconfigure did, every time)
[18:35] <nemo> theholyduck: you can override that
[18:35] <edgy> theholyduck: so I need readeonhd?
[18:35] <theholyduck> cwillu, im telling you thats broken on some radeonhd cards
[18:35] <theholyduck> edgy, yeah install radeonhd and add it to the device section
[18:35] <cwillu> theholyduck, and you've filed a bug?
[18:35] <edgy> theholyduck: ok I will do but shouldn't x now figure the type automatically?
[18:36] <cwillu> "is a faulty carseat faulty when it's still in testing and hasn't even been released yet?"
[18:36] <theholyduck> edgy, it SHOULD, but it DOESNT
[18:36] <theholyduck> cwillu, i googled it. seems like its a known bug.
[18:36] <edgy> theholyduck: aha! I now see the comment in the pastebin ok I would try it and hope I would be back to thank you ;)
[18:37] <nemo> does anyone know of a way to make a gnome menu bar shorter than 24 pixels?
[18:37] <nemo> I've adjusted fonts, various gtk config settings...
[18:37] <theholyduck> cwillu, though admitedtly. i should PROBALY do some more checking around to figure out where its comming from.
[18:37] <theholyduck> its in all major new distros
[18:37] <nemo> I'm suspecting the applets are stretching it
[18:38] <nemo> if I shrink below 24px in gtk conf, all that happens is my apps start appearing under the bar
[18:38] <theholyduck> cwillu, the worrying part is that xorg THINK its doing it right
[18:38] <nemo> (trying to free up precious screen space at 1024x768)
[18:39] <nemo> (don't want to use autohide)
[18:40] <LordKow> any way to fine-tune vlc's buffering of h264 streams?
[18:40] <MTecknology> yup
[18:41] <MTecknology> wrong chan...
[18:41] <LordKow> not really if im using jaunty
[18:42]  * nemo doesn't see the connection
[18:42] <MTecknology> LordKow: I said yup in the wrong chan
[18:42]  * o0Chris resolution is set up as 1920x1080
[18:42] <LordKow> oh lol sorryu
[18:43] <o0Chris> any devs here? What are some issues you guys are facing with juanty?
[18:44] <LordKow> it's too stable
[18:44] <LordKow> not a dev though :P
[18:45] <o0Chris> :)
[18:46] <MTecknology> it has been really stable, but it's gone through a lot of breaks
[18:46] <jcprather> "A problem that we were not expecting has occurred.  Please report this bug with the error description."   booo, my first try using kpackagekit turns into fail
[18:46] <jcprather> "The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!"
[18:47] <jcprather> where can i check if this bug is already reported?
[18:50] <theholyduck> LordKow, buffering for playing back a stream?
[18:50] <theholyduck> also vlc sucks :P
[18:50] <theholyduck> use mplayer
[18:50] <theholyduck> but mplayer in ubuntu sucks. so you have to compile your own
[18:50] <theholyduck> so im guessing you're sticking with broken vlc.
[18:50] <o0Chris> theholyduck: how dare you say such a thing
[18:50] <o0Chris> :-p
[18:50] <LordKow> well
[18:51] <theholyduck> o0Chris, wich of my things?
[18:51] <LordKow> are you sure its not the h264 library?
[18:51] <o0Chris> theholyduck: vlc don't suck :D its opensource
[18:51] <theholyduck> LordKow, naw. ffh264 is a very good and sound h264 decoder
[18:51] <theholyduck> o0Chris, well yes, but amusingly. its among the slowest media players on the market. its plagued by all sorts of issues other media players doesnt have
[18:52] <LordKow> looks like i have libx264{-59,-65} installed
[18:52] <theholyduck> LordKow, thats not a decoder
[18:52] <theholyduck> at all
[18:52] <LordKow> ah
[18:52] <theholyduck> LordKow, vlc uses libavcodec for decoding
[18:52] <o0Chris> theholyduck: lets say this, it worked better than winamp and windows media player when I was running windows :)
[18:52] <theholyduck> o0Chris, it does indeed
[18:52] <theholyduck> but thats like winning a being less evil than hitler competition
[18:53] <o0Chris> heh
[18:53] <LordKow> is the ubuntu mplayer package severely outdated? if not i'll just update the package instead
[18:54] <theholyduck> LordKow, well mplayer hasnt done a release for 2.2 years or whatever
[18:54] <theholyduck> the mplayer policy is "if you want to use it. compile from source
[18:54] <LordKow> but their svn is maintained?
[18:54] <o0Chris> I heard from someone that h264 and mp4 is the best way to go when ripping, is that true theholyduck
[18:54] <theholyduck> o0Chris, well... depends
[18:54] <jcprather> k.been waiting for a response in #ubuntu+1.  would it be inappropriate to just apport it?
[18:54] <jcprather> without verifying that it hasn't already been reported
[18:55] <theholyduck> o0Chris, first of all
[18:55] <theholyduck> if you're ripping from dvd. you PROBALY want h264 and mkv
[18:55] <theholyduck> well you almost ALWAYS want h264 and mkv really
[18:55]  * jcprather is all about typing in the wrong channel, but i suppose this channel should work :)
[18:55] <o0Chris> ahh mkv ok, heard of it, never saw or used it tho
[18:55] <nemo> theholyduck: hrm. I ripped to mpeg4/mp3/avi
[18:55] <theholyduck> nemo, mpeg4 doesnt really say much ;:P
[18:56] <theholyduck> divx? xvid? ffmpegs mpeg4 encoder?
[18:56] <nemo> ffmpeg
[18:56] <theholyduck> but really the best option is h264
[18:56] <nemo> theholyduck: was just using dvd::rip
[18:56] <theholyduck> nemo, thats the WORST kind of mpeg4 part 2 :p
[18:56] <nemo> I assume it is ffmpeg
[18:56]  * nemo checks
[18:56] <theholyduck> nemo, well it probaly is. but it COULD use libxvid
[18:56] <theholyduck> as in ffmpeg can use libxvid
[18:57] <theholyduck> o0Chris, mkv is a container format
[18:57] <nemo> I was specifically requested not to use xvid
[18:57] <theholyduck> unlike mp4 it supports subtitles
[18:57] <theholyduck> and unlike mp4 its a open source container format
[18:57] <nemo> don't see why not use avi, 'cept for the subtitle thing of course
[18:57] <o0Chris> theholyduck: yeah just learning about containers..
[18:57] <theholyduck> nemo, no b frame support
[18:57] <theholyduck> :p
[18:57] <theholyduck> nemo, there we go
[18:57] <nemo> theholyduck: funny. I was going to check ffmpeg
[18:57] <nemo> (and, yes it is)
[18:57] <nemo> every time I type mplayer foo.avi
[18:58] <nemo> video pops up fullscreen...
[18:58] <nemo> and X crashes
[18:58] <theholyduck> nemo, wut?
[18:58] <nemo> have repeated it 3 times now
[18:58] <nemo> (Jaunty)
[18:58] <theholyduck> nemo, mplayer -vo xv video
[18:58] <theholyduck> try that
[18:58] <nemo> yeah. I can try different vo - but question is. why.
[18:58] <nemo> this is new behaviour
[18:58] <theholyduck> nemo, also do you have compiz ?
[18:58] <nemo> was working a week ago
[18:58] <nemo> no compiz
[18:58] <theholyduck> nemo, weird :P
[18:58] <theholyduck> they shouldnt have updated anything in mplayer
[18:58] <theholyduck> since mplayer hastn done a release yet
[18:59] <theholyduck> probaly how it interacts with xorg i guess
[18:59] <theholyduck> the mplayer in ubuntu IS horribly old
[18:59] <nemo> ah. intel driver crash
[18:59] <nemo> well lovely
[18:59] <nemo> XvdiPutImage
[18:59] <nemo> libexmod.so
[18:59] <nemo> libextmod.so
[18:59] <theholyduck> nemo, buggy intel driver eh?
[18:59] <MTecknology> Do I need to recompile my driver to test the defrag in ext4?
[19:00] <nemo> theholyduck: :(
[19:00] <theholyduck> anyways the reason you should always use h264, is that it has propper b frames support
[19:00] <theholyduck> and all sorts of other things.
[19:01] <theholyduck> to make video as high quality and low filesize as possible
[19:01] <LordKow> grrr only thing i hate about not using package management is now im going to have a bunch of autoremovable packages (or so apt thinks) even though i need them for mplayer
[19:01] <nemo> ah. there's a driver update out
[19:01] <theholyduck> LordKow, apt-get build-dep mplayer
[19:01] <nemo> lets see what happens
[19:01] <theholyduck> LordKow, that should fix it
[19:01] <nemo> eep. downloading 70 of 220???
[19:01] <nemo> I updated just yesterday!
[19:01] <LordKow> that just downloads the build dependencies for mplayer....
[19:01] <theholyduck> LordKow, yes
[19:01] <theholyduck> and run depends
[19:02] <theholyduck> and marks them as NEED TO BE INSTALLED
[19:02] <theholyduck> so they wont be autoremoved
[19:02] <theholyduck> then you can make mplayer without worying about it
[19:02] <LordKow> i dont care if the build dependencies are removed after the fact.
[19:02] <LordKow> i dont want to autoremove the binary deps though
[19:02] <theholyduck> LordKow, well it will keep the non build-depends there asewll
[19:02] <LordKow> ah okay
[19:02] <LordKow> but being that the mplayer package is so out-of-date im not sure how well that method will work.
[19:03] <theholyduck> LordKow, should :P
[19:03] <theholyduck> LordKow, im working on a system for making this alot easier on ubuntu/debian
[19:04] <theholyduck> im in the middle of doccumenting the code a bit more so im completely sure what i've done and what i havent
[19:04] <theholyduck> tjhen i'll move onto the main absurdity
[19:04] <LordKow> grr now im going to have to force apt into thinking x264 is installed from the repos when it's not or the entire package system is basically broken
[19:04] <o0Chris0o> hmm just tried updating system got an error >>>
[19:04] <theholyduck> LordKow, lalz :P
[19:04] <o0Chris0o> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/splix/splix_2.0.0-0.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[19:04] <o0Chris0o>   404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.40 80]
[19:04] <theholyduck> LordKow, i always use checkinstall
[19:04] <theholyduck> to create packages for stuff i compile from hand
[19:06] <LordKow> well that would work if i could have a x264-59 and x264-65 package. i have a lot of packages that require both
[19:06] <theholyduck> lol :P
[19:06] <theholyduck> and THIS is why we use static linking and rolling updates
[19:06] <theholyduck> boys and girls
[19:07] <LordKow> so my plan becomes simple. i download ubuntu's current package source and update it myself. that way i can keep any ubuntu changes that may still be valid
[19:08] <theholyduck> probaly wont work. but try it
[19:08] <theholyduck> LordKow, if you're willing to take a risk
[19:08] <theholyduck> add debian-multimedias sid rep
[19:08] <theholyduck> to your sources.list
[19:08] <theholyduck> and run a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:08] <theholyduck> it should be relativly ubuntu compitable
[19:09] <theholyduck> and will give you up to date x264, ffmpeg, vlc, mplayer, etc with sane deps
[19:09] <theholyduck> take a good look at what dist-upgrade suggests doing though
[19:14] <diverse_izzue> i just attempted an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty, and it failed. how do i decypher the /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log file to get a hint as to what went wrong? is the last or maybe the first broken package then one causing the error?
[19:15] <theholyduck> diverse_izzue, just look at the depends on the various packages in it and figure out how they interlock :P
[19:15] <theholyduck> thats how i do it anyway
[19:16] <theholyduck> there is probalyl a saner way to do it
[19:16] <diverse_izzue> theholyduck: it's not obvious to me how they interlock. would you mind having a look at it?
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Has anyone seen the message "No indicators" written into the Gnome panel?
[19:18] <zniavre> i can see only that
[19:18] <teethdood> totem and vlc both crash with "BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)". Anyone else having the same probs?
[19:22] <theholyduck> diverse_izzue, meh, im busy having fun :)
[19:23] <diverse_izzue> theholyduck: log files are less fun, i understand :-)
[19:23] <theholyduck> diverse_izzue, well im doing a pretty mad bash script
[19:23] <theholyduck> with a case statement the size of....
[19:23] <theholyduck> a semi truck :P
[19:32] <joshua24> hello all
[19:38] <edgy> theholyduck: thanks sir, I installed the readeonhd and suddenly it works, I didn't even edited xorg.conf
[19:39] <theholyduck> edgy, well the problem arises from having radeonhd and some other packages
[19:39] <theholyduck> i think
[19:39] <theholyduck> if it can only chose radeonhd it works fine
[19:40] <edgy> theholyduck: aha! I would install the others and retry  ;)
[19:42] <quassel86> hi there. i cannot connect to my wireless network with kubuntu 9.04. NM asks me over and over again the password, and fails at the end. It worked once, but after a reboot it does not work again
[19:43] <edgy> theholyduck: but why do we have radeon and radeonhd? shouldn't I use radeon for my card?
[19:43] <theholyduck> edgy, radeonhd is for the later ati cards
[19:43] <theholyduck> radeon isnt
[19:43] <quassel86> and i can't connect to the wired network too, for unknown reasons. it just does not connect
[19:43] <theholyduck> frglx supports all of them i guess
[19:43] <theholyduck> edgy, but really im not sure. i just know radeonhd is what you want on newish ati cards
[19:44] <edgy> theholyduck: but according to http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature my card is supported better in radeon, no?
[19:45] <theholyduck> edgy, not really :P
[19:45] <theholyduck> yours is a r600 right
[19:46] <theholyduck> radeon is only marginalyl better and only on things you mostly dont want
[19:46] <edgy> theholyduck: yes and tvout is only supported in radeon
[19:46] <theholyduck> you can see if driver radeon works :P
[19:47] <edgy> theholyduck: I really love open source so I would try to live without fglrx
[19:48] <c_korn> can someone help me how to translate fast-user-switch-applet?
[19:49] <theholyduck> edgy, well if ati/radeon works
[19:49] <theholyduck> try it.
[19:49] <SimonKitching> I've just built a kernel from git using "fakeroot make-kpkg ..." and it worked fine. But after editing a file, running the command again does not build anything, and does not create new .deb files.  Running "make-kpkg clean" fixes this, but of course triggers a *full* rebuild. Any ideas what I need to do to get a new incremental build?
[19:49] <theholyduck> but im guessing the problem arises for xorg TRYING to use that and fails.
[19:50] <theholyduck> i never really bothered looking into it
[19:50] <theholyduck> i just switched to radeonhd and everything worked
[19:50] <c_korn> I installed poedit and downloaded the sources of FUSA. now there are new untranslated strings in the source files. how can I import them in poedit and translate them?
[19:57] <edgy> theholyduck: thanks a lot for all you tips
[19:58] <SeveredCross> Will GNOME 2.26 make it into Jaunty?
[19:59] <o0Chris0o> SeveredCross: yes
[19:59] <SeveredCross> Sweet. I figured it would, since it shouldn't be much of a change from 2.25.90, but you never know.
[20:02] <diverse_izzue> SeveredCross: I don't think ubuntu ever shipped a non-final Gnome...
[20:02] <SeveredCross> I don't think so either, but they did ship FF3 beta for the last LTS, so..
[20:05] <MTecknology> Is online defragmentaion for Ext4 supposed to be in the kernel by release?
[20:06] <theholyduck> MTecknology, i tought ext4 had all sorts of fragmentation reducing fixes over ext3, and ext3 doesnt really fragment easily either
[20:08] <MTecknology> theholyduck: ya, but I just finished something that always produces a lot of fregments no matter how you do crap
[20:09] <maco> anyone else seen the weird "your system had a kernel failure: always/yes/no/never/show details/cancel/ok" box?
[20:09] <maco> what do those options even mean?
[20:09] <maco> its the kerneloops-ui popup
[20:10] <MTecknology> theholyduck: I kinda want to try it - I just don't know if it's built into the kernel yet or if it's going to be
[20:10] <theholyduck> maco, im guessing halt to show errors or whatever
[20:10] <theholyduck> but could be anything
[20:10] <maco> it doesnt ask a question
[20:12] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[20:12] <s0u][ight> the notification of sound changes is fixed ;)
[20:12] <MTecknology> so nobody has any idea?
[20:12] <yofel> MTecknology: bug 321528
[20:13] <thiebaude> !arora
[20:13] <helo> anyone else having problems with bluetooth mice working?
[20:14] <helo> it is detected by bluez, and appears to be configured properly, but it just doesn't function
[20:14] <MTecknology> yofel: perfect, thanks
[20:15] <sagredo> Hi. I have the intel graphics display bug - I've tried adding DisplayDepth 16 and Driver "visa" and both of those did not fix X.
[20:15] <sagredo> any help?
[20:15] <sagredo> erm.... vesa drivers*
[20:22] <sagredo> hi. can someone help me get x working
[20:22] <sagredo> I'm stuck in teh terminal and I need my Gnome
[20:23] <St0n3-C0l> anyone with jaunty 6 and i810 ?
[20:23] <asraniel> hi there. somebody knows how it can happen that my microphone seems to work (i can hear myself), but skype and audiacity can't "use" the mic, meaning, they don't get any sound from it
[20:24] <sagredo> asraniel: have you tried to go through the list of mics in the settings?
[20:24] <sagredo> asraniel: worth a shot
[20:24] <asraniel> sagredo: tried, but will do it again
[20:26] <asraniel> sagredo: no luck with that
[20:26] <sagredo> asraniel: sorry, that's the only thing that comes to mind
[20:27] <sagredo> soooooo, anyone help me troubleshoot x?
[20:29] <thiebaude> St0n3-C0l: yea be careful with it
[20:29] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[20:29] <St0n3-C0l> we are talking on two channels
[20:29] <sagredo> w00t
[20:30] <thiebaude> yup, i wanted to take it here to +1
[20:30] <sagredo> what other display manager can I install to use besides X?
[20:30] <thiebaude> the other chanel is for 8.10
[20:30] <St0n3-C0l> X isn't a display manager?
[20:30] <St0n3-C0l> oh
[20:30] <thiebaude> !x
[20:31] <sagredo> what other "graphical output" programs are there?
[20:31] <thiebaude> sagredo: fluxbox
[20:31] <thiebaude> !fluxbox
[20:31] <sagredo> thiebaude: cheers
[20:32] <thiebaude> sagredo: i use fluxbox and it uses few system resources, but there are other wm's out there
[20:32] <St0n3-C0l> sagredo: You need X alternative or Gnome alternative?
[20:32] <St0n3-C0l> X displays graphics
[20:32] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: X alternative
[20:32] <St0n3-C0l> GDM = Gnome Display Manager which gives you the login screen.
[20:33] <St0n3-C0l> You getting blank screen etc?
[20:33] <sagredo> thiebaude: St0n3-C0l when I try to run "fluxbox", the program returns "Error: Couldn't connect to Xserver
[20:33] <St0n3-C0l> try configuring your Xorg
[20:33] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg
[20:33] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[20:33] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: Yep, there's a bug filed already
[20:33] <thiebaude> sagredo: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[20:33] <sagredo> thiebaude: I did that
[20:33] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: thx
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> did the program work ?
[20:34] <thiebaude> sagredo: then log out and at the log in prompt use sessions
[20:34] <sagredo> we'll see
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> or its xorg-server ?
[20:34] <sagredo> one sec
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> or
[20:34] <sagredo> thiebaude: sessions?
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[20:34] <St0n3-C0l> thiebaude: I think he's not getting the graphical screen
[20:34] <thiebaude> sagredo: yea, when you log in there are options
[20:35] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: yeah, no graphics at all, all cli baby
[20:35] <sagredo> lol, but I still want to get back to a gdm
[20:35] <thiebaude> sagredo: did you log out
[20:35] <sagredo> thiebaude: there's nothing for xorg-xserver
[20:37] <St0n3-C0l> try
[20:37] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[20:37] <sagredo> k
[20:37] <St0n3-C0l> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:37] <sagredo> nothing
[20:37] <thiebaude> darn
[20:38] <sagredo> thiebaude: St0n3-C0l ... when I updated to jaunty like 7 GBs were freed up in space
[20:38] <sagredo> I think apt removed some serious stuff :/
[20:38] <St0n3-C0l> this works
[20:38] <St0n3-C0l> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:38] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: thanks I'll give it a shot
[20:38] <thiebaude> sagredo: wow 7gb
[20:38] <St0n3-C0l> sagredo: You should have read the instructions
[20:38] <sagredo> thiebaude: I know weird right
[20:39] <sagredo> St0n3-C0l: I did
[20:39] <sagredo> always RTFM
[20:39] <St0n3-C0l> RTFM ?
[20:39] <thiebaude> haha
[20:39] <thiebaude> or google
[20:39] <sagredo> read the fcuking manual ;)
[20:41] <St0n3-C0l> anyways
[20:41] <St0n3-C0l> guys
[20:41] <St0n3-C0l> bye tc
[20:41] <sagredo> later
[20:42] <sagredo> thiebaude: sucks, I'm stuck in CLI-land
[20:44] <thiebaude> sagredo: i dont know how to fix it
[20:45] <thiebaude> sagredo: you might have to re-install
[20:45] <ghindo> Is it possible to directly upgrade to 9.04 from 8.04, or do I have to upgrade 8.04>8.10>9.04?
[20:46] <teethdood> you have to do in sequence
[20:46] <sagredo> ghindo: it is possible but recommended to go from 8.04>8.10>9.04
[20:46] <sagredo> teethdood: help me fix my X yo
[20:46] <ghindo> sagredo: Okay, thank you.
[20:46] <sagredo> ghindo: np
[20:46] <thiebaude> ghindo:incremental upgrades
[20:46] <teethdood> what's wrong with your X?
[20:46] <MTecknology> Anyone know of a nice easy way to scan all my installed libraries for ones I have no use for anymore?
[20:47] <thiebaude> sagredo: good luck on that, got to go
[20:47] <sagredo> teethdood: there's an intel graphics bug
[20:47] <sagredo> thiebaude: thanks dude, peace
[20:47] <thiebaude> you too
[20:47] <thiebaude> bug 304971
[20:47] <sagredo> that's not it
[20:47] <thiebaude> bug 304871
[20:47] <thiebaude> yup
[20:47] <sagredo> that's it ;)
[20:47] <sagredo> thiebaude: thanks
[20:47] <thiebaude> haha
[20:47] <thiebaude> yw
[20:51] <sagredo> how can I force vesa for X drivers?
[20:55] <yofel> sagredo: xorg.conf Section "Device" Line: 'Driver    "vesa"'
[20:57] <abarbaccia> so fonts are really big today :)
[20:59] <MTecknology> !apparmor
[21:04] <josh-l> hi, any kubuntu jaunty users in here?
[21:04] <josh-l> how do you find it? stable yet?
[21:06] <hix> josh-l: still no problems here. beside some 'crash-notifies', which are fake ;) for example..reports kopete crashed, but kopete runs fine...
[21:06] <josh-l> huh, how long have you been running it hix
[21:07] <hix> hmm, about 2 weeks now
[21:07] <josh-l> i loved it, but found a few issues with shutdown, reboot, and wireless
[21:07] <josh-l> so i had to go back to intrepid :(
[21:08] <hix> have no wireless on this machine. shutdown, reboot works as it should
[21:15] <c_korn> what can I do about big fonts? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11282/screen_001_YieWGJ.png
[21:17] <MTecknology> !canberra
[21:17] <dtchen> (libcanberra is probably what you're after)
[21:18] <MTecknology> !libcanberra
[21:19] <MTecknology> !info libcanberra
[21:19] <MTecknology> oh well
[21:19] <c_korn> !info libcanberra0
[21:19] <dtchen> (i use source package naming semantics)
[21:20] <MTecknology> heh - that's like system beeps and logon sounds?
[21:20] <dtchen> think gtk themeing but for sounds
[21:20] <MTecknology> oh
[21:20] <MTecknology> what about avahi?
[21:20] <MTecknology> I've never understood what that's for
[21:21] <dtchen> think daap
[21:21] <dtchen> autodiscovery/sharing/trashtalking/killfile/toast-burner
[21:21] <MTecknology> ?
[21:22] <dtchen> autodiscovery/sharing
[21:22] <dtchen> in limited instances, also autoconfiguration
[21:22] <MTecknology> does auto discovery work w/o it?
[21:22] <dtchen> well, autodiscovery is a big part of zeroconf
[21:22] <dtchen> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) if you're fuzzy on it
[21:23] <MTecknology> thanks
[21:24] <Whitor> ty for the pastebing theholyduck
[21:25] <theholyduck> Whitor, i was just using it to illustrate your stupidity
[21:25] <Whitor> s/pastebin/pastebing/
[21:26] <podman99a> hey all ... will 9.04 work with multi-touch / n-trig?
[21:26] <Whitor> what stupidity was that ?
[21:26] <theholyduck> Whitor, the. "what empty xorg?"
[21:26] <theholyduck> or whatever
[21:27] <Whitor> I guess thats why I said I was totally guessing
[21:28] <MTecknology> there's a library for flicker.net api's ?
[21:28] <MTecknology> installed by default?
[21:28] <sagredo> WOOT IM BACK
[21:28] <sagredo> (with graphics!!!)
[21:29] <hix> ;)
[21:29] <sagredo> super slow performance but the new upslash screen has so much sex appeal I say it's well worth it
[21:29] <MTecknology> !info gamin
[21:31] <MTecknology> gamin is basically an indexing service?
[21:34] <dtchen> MTecknology: no
[21:34] <Roey> dtchen:  oh hi :)
[21:35] <Roey> maco and dtchen sitting on IRC
[21:35] <Roey> c h a tt i n g
[21:35] <dtchen> ?
[21:35] <Roey> ...
[21:35] <maco> O_o
[21:35] <maco> you're being odd today
[21:35] <Roey> eh.  I'm just worried about class.
[21:36] <Roey> maco, dtchen, I was wondering about that lingering issue I brought up the other day about directing do-release-upgrade to use <160 MB on /boot
[21:37] <DanaG> I actually liked the old usplash better.
[21:37] <maco> Roey: no idea
[21:37] <Roey> ok.
[21:37] <dtchen> what lingering issue?
[21:38] <dtchen> also, if it's not directly related to my troubleshooting currently, i'm likely to ignore you
[21:38] <Roey> ok.
[21:38] <Roey> carry on.
[21:39] <maco> hah
[21:39] <burner> anyone rockin plymouth?
[21:40] <maco> if there's not a -dbgsym for a package, how do i figure out where i introduced a segfault?
[21:40]  * burner wonders what theme is going to be default.  NewWave and Dust are nice :)
[21:41] <dtchen> maco: the same way one normally does. e.g., you can use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip"
[21:42] <maco> so can i put: $ DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" bzr builddeb
[21:42] <maco> ?
[21:44] <dtchen> in debian/rules
[21:44] <maco> oh
[21:44] <maco> ok...ill go try that
[21:48] <podman99a> I hope the creator is in here!!! YOU HAVE A MASTER PEICE ON YOUR HANDS!.... Jaunty has upped its game
[21:49] <burner> hehe
[21:49] <DanaG> I still like the old usplash better.
[21:49] <podman99a> is it going to support multi touch?
[21:49] <podman99a> usplash ... ? that the loading or login screen?
[21:50] <burner> usplash == the first screen after grub, before login
[21:50] <podman99a> both are far better ... and the Login screen gets me hard
[21:50] <burner> lol
[21:50] <podman99a> usplash good... login BETTER
[21:50] <podman99a> how can i config touch device... i can see it working but need to calibrate
[21:52] <burner> touch device?  touchpad?  gnome-control-center mouse
[21:53] <podman99a> no its a touch screen
[21:53] <podman99a> digitizer
[21:55] <c_korn> http://filebin.ca/byjyr/output.avi
[21:55] <c_korn> is this really truth?
[21:59]  * burner isn't hip to touchscreens
[21:59] <yofel> c_korn: that's the new indicator-applet
[22:00] <c_korn> yofel: why do I have to click it when I want to open my contact list?
[22:00] <burner> c_korn: i disabled the indicator applet and just use the same old systray thing
[22:00] <c_korn> I first thought bug 340366 would fix it.
[22:00] <c_korn> but it removed the pidgin icon instead of the indicator icon
[22:09] <c_korn> burner: how can I disable the indicator?
[22:09] <c_korn> currently I have no pidgin icon :-(
[22:12] <burner> c_korn: right click the indicator and remove applet from panel
[22:12] <zniavre> killall indicator-applet and then do not reload
[22:13] <zash> indicator-applet, is that like the system tray?
[22:13] <burner> c_korn: then in pidgin... tools -> prefs and set the System Tray Icon to "always"
[22:14] <burner> it's different... it's a panel applet
[22:14] <zash> burner: the system tray is also a panel applet ...
[22:15] <c_korn> burner, zniavre: thanks. that did it
[22:15] <burner> but the pidgin system tray icon is not an applet
[22:15]  * burner shrugs and knows he dislikes the new indicator applet
[22:16] <zniavre> here it only display >no indicators ...
[22:18] <c_korn> the indicator does not even work: http://filebin.ca/zovmus/output.avi
[22:26] <virtuelv> someone tell me: Now that log out is gone from Places/System, how am I supposed to log out using the keyboard?
[22:27] <EruditeHermit> hi, is anyone here using jaunty with ati video cards?
[22:27] <Halow> virtuelv:  It's only out of the main menu if the Fast user switch applet is active. If you take it out, it goes back.
[22:28] <virtuelv> Halow: Yes, and...
[22:28] <calc> EruditeHermit: hi
[22:28] <virtuelv> the fast user switcher is, afaics, default on
[22:28] <Halow> It is.
[22:28] <virtuelv> my point is that logging out is now inaccessible for any default user who can't/won't use a mouse
[22:29] <EruditeHermit> calc: hey
[22:29] <Halow> Pretty much. =/
[22:29] <EruditeHermit> calc: how goes!
[22:29] <virtuelv> (In my case I can, but I usually try to avoid it, since I would rather not have to go in to forced retirement in ten years from RSI
[22:30] <calc> EruditeHermit: pretty good :)
[22:30] <VSpike> Does anyone know how the scale on the network manager wireless signal strenth indicator works?
[22:30] <calc> EruditeHermit: i have almost all of my bugs triaged finally :)
[22:30] <calc> EruditeHermit: 0 new bugs, now have to look through incomplete bugs
[22:30] <EruditeHermit> calc: release is in a month!
[22:30] <VSpike> Because the mouse over says 58% but I have 3 bars out of 4
[22:30] <calc> EruditeHermit: its rare to reach 0 new bugs on OOo
[22:30] <EruditeHermit> lol
[22:31] <EruditeHermit> calc: talk to mmeeks about forking?
[22:32] <virtuelv> Halow: do you happen to know if there is a task/bug that describes the change?
[22:32] <virtuelv> if so, I think I'll need to chip in with a comment
[22:32] <calc> EruditeHermit: a while ago, i don't know what he is planning at this point
[22:32] <EruditeHermit> calc: or just waiting till sun gets bought out by IBM? :D
[22:32] <Halow> virtuelv: I think I read about it. Let me double check.
[22:35] <Halow> virtuelv:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/343219
[22:35] <virtuelv> Halow: thanks
[22:35] <Halow> That one seems to be it.
[22:35] <Halow> Welcome.
[22:39] <EruditeHermit> calc: reminds me of xfree situation
[22:39] <virtuelv> but this begets a dumb question: I've been on Ubuntu for four years, and that bug report describes "tabbing over to FUSA"
[22:39] <virtuelv> I still have no clue of how I can focus the panel
[22:39] <EruditeHermit> calc: forking that turned out well =p
[22:40] <humbolt> why is padevchooser not working in jaunty?
[22:41] <calc> EruditeHermit: heh, yea
[22:41] <Halow> humbolt: I use padevchooser just fine in Jaunty.
[22:41] <alex3f> hi, my computer restarted during an update
[22:41] <alex3f> now i have a broken kernel, runaway modprobe loop
[22:42] <alex3f> i'm running jaunty on ext4
[22:42] <humbolt> Halow: ** (padevchooser:16284): WARNING **: pa_browser_new() failed
[22:42] <alex3f> maybe some kernel parameters magic?
[22:42] <alex3f> or i have to reinstall?
[22:43] <Halow> alex3f: Don't have a prior kernel to boot to?
[22:43] <alex3f> no
[22:43] <Halow> =(
[22:43] <alex3f> can I livecd+chroot?
[22:44] <humbolt> Halow: any idea?
[22:44] <Halow> humbolt: I am fairly stumped, but I'm looking.
[22:46] <Halow> humbolt: This might help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padevchooser/+bug/240761
[22:47]  * virtuelv commented on bug 343219
[22:48] <humbolt> Halow: restarting avahi daemon worked
[22:48] <Halow> Great!
[22:49] <humbolt> but I don't quite understand why
[22:49] <humbolt> the whole sending sound to another pulse server does not really seem to work for me either
[22:49] <humbolt> as the servers are not discovered
[22:50] <humbolt> probably for that very reason
[22:53] <alex_mayorga> is it part of the notification spec for 9.04 that if I have both gwibber and the twitter plug-in for do I get notified only once?
[22:53] <humbolt> Maybe its from enabling network access and discovery via paprefs
[22:54] <Halow> Possibly?
[22:56] <vistakiller> we have new boot splash screen in kubuntu?
[22:56] <Halow> For all the *buntu flavors, as far as I'm aware.
[22:57] <EruditeHermit> calc: are you using jaunty?
[22:58] <humbolt> However the worst thing about pulseaudio is the usability joke it has introduced!
[22:58] <humbolt> I think I filed a bug report back in gutsy and it is still there
[22:59] <humbolt> getting even more stupid along the way
[22:59] <humbolt> Care to know?
[22:59]  * Halow laughs.
[22:59] <Halow> What is it?
[22:59] <humbolt> Maybe one of you has more say in this and can spare Ubuntu this embarasement.
[22:59] <humbolt> ok
[23:00] <humbolt> see the volume icon in on the top right?
[23:00] <c_korn> what can I do about big fonts? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11282/screen_001_YieWGJ.png
[23:00] <humbolt> use the scroll wheel to change the volume
[23:00] <humbolt> then click on it, so this new thingy comes up and do it again
[23:01] <humbolt> you have to move the wheel in the opposite direction to get the same result
[23:01] <dtchen> that's fixed upstream already
[23:01] <humbolt> as it is in all pulseaudio mixers
[23:01] <dtchen> also, UI issues specific to PulseAudio are not specific to Ubuntu
[23:01] <humbolt> hope they did go with the old gnome standard, not the pulseaudio one
[23:02] <dtchen> Fedora, Mandriva, openSUSE, ..., everyone has them
[23:02] <humbolt> dtchen: I know
[23:02] <humbolt> dtchen: still, why would we want to carry that along?
[23:02] <dtchen> also, i'm aware of many, many, many PA issues. if you want to help me fix them, feel free. otherwise, i really need to go back to fixing them for jaunty beta.
[23:03] <humbolt> Not so much a hacker yet. Not touched much gtk code yet.
[23:03] <humbolt> But I will some time and am happy to help
[23:04] <humbolt> dtchen: which way is it fixed upstream now? the wheel works the same way as in gnome now?
[23:05] <maco> dtchen: set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" in debian/rules then built with bzr builddeb..gdb still says no debugging symbols found
[23:06] <maco> humbolt: pulseaudio doesnt require knowing gtk :P
[23:07] <humbolt> maco: did not do any c or c++ yet either
[23:10] <sagredo> hi friends
[23:10] <sagredo> how to I hack flash into working
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> sagredo, works out of the box here
[23:12] <sagredo> alex_mayorga: shucks
[23:12] <sagredo> alex_mayorga: even google doesn't know?! unpossible
[23:13] <sagredo> okay I found it :)
[23:15] <dtchen_> maco: did you remember to add noopt?
[23:16] <maco> i don even know what that is. how could i remember to do something you didnt mention?
[23:17] <dtchen_> why am i responsible for telling you that?
[23:17] <dtchen_> i am *not* your man page
[23:17] <maco> because you answered the "how do i get debugging symbols" question with incomplete information
[23:17] <c_korn> OT: why does ie8 display a continue button on launchpad? http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4264/screen002o.png hehe
[23:18] <maco> bzr help builddep doesnt tell me crap
[23:19] <dtchen_> which source package is this?
[23:19] <maco> seahorse-plugijns
[23:19] <maco> plugins
[23:21] <dtchen_> huh.
[23:21] <teethdood> someone should drag the python out back and shoot it dead
[23:22] <SeveredCross> Hear hear.
[23:23] <dtchen_> maco: well, cdbs is *supposed* to handle DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS just fine. does it even get into your env for bzr-buildpackage?
[23:25] <dtchen_> maco: i suppose you could just export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip bzr-buildpackage ...
[23:25] <dtchen_> err, two separate lines, or just DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip bzr-buildpackage ... as you had
[23:25] <maco> ok, ill try that
[23:25] <dtchen_> although i honestly question whether bzr-buildpackage is doing the right thing
[23:26] <maco> so whats this noopts thing you mentioned?
[23:26] <dtchen_> -O0 instead of -O2
[23:26] <maco> ooo no optimize
[23:26] <maco> and how do i set that?
[23:26] <maco> "nostrip -O0"?
[23:27] <maxb> noopt?
[23:27] <dtchen_> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is normally checked
[23:27] <dtchen_> it's comma-delimited
[23:27] <maxb> I thought it was space-delimited?
[23:27] <maco> oh dear
[23:27] <hanasaki> when is this version set to release?
[23:27] <maco> hanasaki: april 23, i think
[23:28] <hanasaki> thanks
[23:28] <hanasaki> u had any issues with the new -11 kernel that came out today?
[23:28] <hanasaki> seems to hang my gdm
[23:29] <maxb> Policy says DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is whitespace delimited, but I think there was ambiguity in the past, hence some packages using commas
[23:31] <dtchen_> yes, whitespace is now policy
[23:31] <dtchen_> from bts 430649
[23:32] <dtchen_> i don't know if anyone's going through and changing all debian/rules to remove the commas, since the checks are still valid.
[23:35] <hanasaki> maco what kernenel are you running on?
[23:35] <maco> 2.6.28-9
[23:36] <hanasaki> ya.. the -11 is an issue on my graphics.....
[23:36] <hanasaki> how often do u safe-upgrade?
[23:38] <maco> ive only been safe-upgrading because if i full-upgrade, itll install python 2.6 and remove miro
[23:39] <hanasaki> ah
[23:39] <hanasaki> thanks
[23:40] <Hobbsee> maco: er, miro should be fine now?
[23:40] <maco> oh it is? /me goes to check
[23:41] <Hobbsee> from a glance at the deps, anyway
[23:45] <bruce89> Yay, the big patching-for-broken-notification-system patches are appearing
[23:45] <maco> hey it is...but libavcodec is broken now
[23:45] <Hobbsee> oh, why?
[23:45] <Hobbsee> (was that why someone was reporting u-r-e uninstallable?)
[23:45] <maco> libavformat52: Breaks: libavcodec51 but 3:0.svn20080206-12ubuntu3 is installed.
[23:46] <maco> libavformat52 is the broken one, sorry
[23:46] <Hobbsee> !info libavcodec51
[23:46] <maco> it says it can not-upgrade brasero and then that'll be ok
[23:47] <bruce89> !info ffmpe
[23:47] <bruce89> !info ffmpeg
[23:47] <maco> its libavcodec52 i think
[23:47] <maco> !info libavcodec52
[23:47] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  that explains why i couldn't find it
[23:48] <maco> yeah i think the package name just changed from 51 to 52 and that's what's confusing it...maybe?
[23:48] <Hobbsee> !info libavcodec51 intrepid
[23:48] <Hobbsee> gah, no devscripts here
[23:49] <Hobbsee> oh, i see.
[23:50] <Hobbsee> you can remove libavcodec51 and it'll be fine
[23:51] <dtchen_> right, miro installs just fine in a vm
[23:51] <Hobbsee> dtchen_: it's likely incorrect use of breaks, only seen on upgrades from intrepid.
[23:52] <dtchen_> that's what i suspect
[23:52]  * maco waits for build
[23:53] <Hobbsee> When one binary package declares that it breaks another, dpkg will refuse to allow the package which declares Breaks be installed unless the broken package is deconfigured first, and it will refuse to allow the broken package to be reconfigured.
[23:53] <Hobbsee> I presume it's supposed to C&R
[23:53] <yow|x2> anyone getting freezing with ext4 on jaunty? intel video here
[23:54] <Hobbsee> dtchen_: or even just replaces, presumably.  This stuff always confuses me.
[23:54] <bruce89> yow|x2: sometimes a screensaver messes up, and I can't stop it
[23:55] <Laney> Has the SHMConfig world changed in Jaunty (vs. Intrepid)? I have just installed Jaunty on my laptop and cannot configure the trackpad. No experience in this arena at all :(
[23:55] <yow|x2> bruce89 - i switched mine from blanking to the matrixview and it seems better, but i think i will disable it entirely. i was just wondering if maybe it was due to ext4 perhaps? hard to tell right now
[23:55] <maco> Laney: syndaemon should handle most of it...
[23:55] <bruce89> yow|x2: I doubt that the filesystem type would cause that
[23:55] <Laney> maco: That's what I'm reading, but it tells me that SHMConfig is disabled
[23:56] <Laney> even though I dumped this file in my hal policy
[23:56] <yow|x2> bruce89 - me too but ive seen stranger things and i just reinstalled with ext4 and noticed freezing that didnt exist before.
[23:56] <yow|x2> i'll try disabling the screensaver entirely though and see if that helps
[23:56] <bruce89> strange
[23:57] <yow|x2> plus there were major issues with the intel video driver a while back too so thats still a possibility
[23:57] <maco> Laney: syndaemon doesnt need shmconfig. it replaces much of what synclient (which does rely on shmconfig, which is, by the way, bad for security) does
[23:58] <Laney> maco: Well when I run it it tells me that it can't access the shared memory area
[23:58] <Laney> I get no touchpad options in System->Prefs->Mouse either
[23:58]  * Laney really wants tap-to-click and two-finger scrolling/right click :(
[23:59]  * DanaG wishes his new laptop's touchpad could do multi-finger...
[23:59] <yow|x2> is synaptics installed?
[23:59] <DanaG> I mean, if a P3-Celeron laptop can detect multiple fingers, then why the hell would Synaptics BREAK that in a Core 2 Duo laptop?
[23:59] <DanaG> That
[23:59] <maco> it should only use SHMConfig if you use syndaemon -S
[23:59] <DanaG> That's just plain evil.
[23:59] <Laney> maybe I need to delete this policy file