[00:00] blizzkid: yeah i know my mandrake had rpm hell, sound failz and it couldn't get to make or ./configure [00:02] I tried Suse.... man... [00:03] you had to practically compile _everything_ from source [00:06] you could try gentoo - there you have to compile everything from source ^^ [00:07] yofel: I don't even take gentoo into account for a second. imho a desktop os (like ubuntu) just has to work out of the box [00:07] true [00:10] but I still wonder wheter the ubuntu release approach is the best one [00:10] I mean, I kinda like the RedHat/Fedora approach [00:11] and I only like it on a release approach level [00:11] for the rest I hate it [00:11] but that's just because I hate rpm [00:16] Some update today has made my fonts on gnome-terminal suddenly become huge :-/ [00:18] hmm, and in thunderbird folders pane too [00:24] anyone else having trouble with the linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic upgrade? Mine's failing when running depmod [00:24] where is it falling over? [00:25] it upgraded just fine in a vm [00:25] sarah@pluto:~% sudo dpkg --configure linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic 11:22AM [00:25] Setting up linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic (2.6.28-11.34) ... [00:25] Running depmod. [00:25] Failed to run depmod [00:25] dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic (--configure): [00:25] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [00:25] Errors were encountered while processing: [00:25] linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic [00:25] i'm not sure - it may be my machine,w hich recently went bang [00:25] and threw kernel panics and such. i'm not sure if it's happy again yet [00:26] do you have enough free space in /tmp, /, and /boot ? [00:26] yes [00:26] i can run depmod manually, and it seems fine [00:28] oh, wait. [00:28] dtchen: found an error [00:28] sarah@pluto:~% sudo depmod -a 2.6.28-11-generic 11:28AM [00:28] [sudo] password for sarah: [00:29] zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) sudo depmod -a 2.6.28-11-generic [00:29] it's probably 345170 [00:29] is that -11.34 or 11.35? [00:30] .34 [00:30] .35 apparently hasn't hit the archives yet [00:31] only built on one arch so far [00:31] odd... there's no v86d for lpia. [00:31] 2, it seems. [00:32] can't prod it to go faster, either [00:32] yeah, was only lpia last i refreshed [00:33] Okay, Daily-Build Live CD running... [00:33] I've never used fsck. [00:33] :p [00:33] dtchen: oh, and hi, now that i've realised who you are! [00:34] Hrm. I'm not sure the new usplash theme is an improvement :-/ [00:34] How would I have fsck check my other FS - /dev/sda4 ? [00:34] I dislike the new usplash. [00:34] Sorry I'm so nooby. :p [00:34] Oh, and I tried the plymouth ppa.... just plain Doesn't Work. [00:34] Does literally nothing. [00:35] The new progress bar looks hugely low-tech and ugly [00:35] maxb: I don't mind it, looks better then the last :) [00:36] needs more meaningless tick marks [00:36] if you're staring at your usplash more often than once per week, something is really wrong [00:36] I happen to have to boot Windows sometimes/ [00:36] see above [00:36] NO power management in radeon -> can't use ubuntu on battery for very long. [00:37] i'll make an exception for, say, VMs [00:37] Oh, and plymouth would kick ass......... IF it worked. [00:37] For me, it doesn't do anything AT ALL. [00:37] . [00:39] plymouth=? === vonkleist_ is now known as vonkleist [00:39] new bootsplash thingy. [00:39] http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083584 [00:39] maxb: I'm using the ubuntu studio progress bar [00:39] dtchen, indeed: it would mean that hibernate and resume was actually using usplash, would would imply that the world was ending [00:39] ugh, /me wonders why he seems to be using ubuntu-virginia when he doesn't live even on the same coast. [00:40] s/would would/which would/ [00:40] . [00:40] Erm. [00:40] did you have something to say SnoFox? :p [00:41] What are the fsck params I need to run to throughly scan my root FS? [00:41] f for force even when clean; r for fix, I think. [00:41] I'm sitting on a LiveCD right now, dumbfounded why it won't work. [00:41] Should I use both -fr ? [00:41] er, no such thing as r. [00:41] SnoFox, doesn't work in what sense? [00:41] just f. [00:42] SnoFox, run it against the device, not the mount point (and make sure it's not mounted) [00:42] cwillu: I'm a noob, and simply `fsck /dev/sda4` doesn't want to work. [00:42] what does it say? [00:42] Takes a millisecond to say it's clean. [00:42] do you know that it's not clean? [00:43] Well, no, but everyone told me to run fsck on that ext4 partition, then try updating my kernel again. [00:43] normally, it takes a pretty severe screwup to foul things up beyond what the journal can handle [00:43] SnoFox, back up, what's the root problem you're having? [00:43] I think it was one of those 'out of space' falsehoods. [00:43] I'm trying to go through with an update, and dpkg keeps erroring out saying no space left on device. [00:44] Cycom: is your system 32-bit or 64-bit? [00:44] What DanaG said. [00:44] I can assure you I have plenty of space. :> A fresh boot reported I have ~40GB used and 104GB free. [00:45] * cwillu starts poking through logs [00:45] grr, fglrx has always been broken for me. =þ [00:46] cwillu: it'll be a couple hours ago. [00:46] SnoFox: Do you have /var in a separate partition/volume? [00:46] SnoFox, upgrade from ext3 or a fresh ext4 partition? [00:46] IntuitiveNipple: No. It's just /boot and / [00:46] oh [00:46] And /boot has space free ? [00:46] * cwillu shouldn't have started his last line with /boot :p [00:47] Oh I'm an idiot. It stores the kernel stuff on /boot, doesn't it? [00:47] * cwillu pokes SnoFox with a stick [00:47] cwillu: poke harder and sharper. [00:47] I made /boot only about 30MB, thinking all it'll hold is GRUB. I forgot it actually holds the kernels as well... [00:47] SnoFox: Each new kernel yes... so if the /boot volume is small (less than 300MB) it may run low [00:47] Anyone got any thoughts on what update today might have caused my fonts to grow in size? (Obviously, there were lots of fontconfig uploads today, but rolling back to an old version of that doesn't fix the issue.) [00:48] * SnoFox deletes his oldest Kernel info and attempts to update. [00:48] maxb: The same one that made xserver try to run a 1024x768 screen at 1360x768 :) [00:49] maxb: I added a "DisplaySize x y" millimetres to "Monitor" section of xorg.conf [00:49] * cwillu winds up... [00:49] The PC was reporting 122 dpi [00:49] SnoFox, grub fits in the bootsector :p [00:50] I meant the menu.lst and stuff. [00:50] menu.lst, slash picture, etc. That's all I expected to put on there. [00:50] Forgot about the kernels. [00:50] argh, stupid glxinfo [00:50] tells me to set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to find out why... [00:50] and then I do so... [00:51] and it still tells me to set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose. [00:51] Alright, I'll be rebooting now... Hopefully I didn't misclick and delete a kernel file I needed. >.> [00:51] IntuitiveNipple: hmm... my xdpyinfo looks sane, though [00:52] cwillu: I thought only part of it did, hence 'stage 2' in /boot [00:52] maxb: What does System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details = Resolution report? [00:52] nice... the background of glxgears is entirely transparent for me. [00:54] IntuitiveNipple: I have that overridden to 96.... however something had reset several of the font size settings there from 10pt to 13.333pt [00:54] * DanaG uses his real dpi of 147. [00:54] I've got a weird issue with wireless-crda here. Two *identical* notebooks connecting to the same AP 802.11g and one selects region ZZE (Europe) and the other ZZJ (Japan) with the consequent difference in available channels. [00:55] maxb: Yeah, when it changed on one of the notebooks I thought it had gone to 800x600 mode [00:56] Eh, forgot my main nick is on a remote screen. [00:56] But, success! [00:56] :> [00:56] I'm so stupid sometimes - especially when I don't know what I'm doing when I set stuff up. [00:56] SnoFox :) [00:56] sudo iptables -L is taking over 40 seconds to fully return, any ideas? [00:56] Anyway, thanks for the help. :p [00:56] skyl: Use iptables -nL [00:56] * SnoFox6161 reboots into the updated kernel [00:56] skyl: -n means don't do name resolution [00:57] skyl: unknown reverse lookups slow it down [00:58] libgnome (2.25.1-0ubuntu2) use 13.333px as the default fontsize [00:58] ugh [00:58] really? [00:58] * DanaG changes name to: "damned fglrx" [00:58] that explains a lot... now you mention it, I had to back the size down somewhere to 10pt [00:59] DanaG: for pities sake, go get an Intel or Nvidia card :D [00:59] :) [00:59] wanna' pay the 700 bucks HP charges for the NV-card part for this laptop? [00:59] * maxb will be bearing that in mind when next replacing his laptop [00:59] swap the laptop with someone :) [01:00] I'm not giving up my EliteBook, for damned sure. [01:00] (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.28-10-generic i686] (Uptime):[2 min] [01:00] :) [01:00] HP sells the laptop with either ATI or nvidia. [01:00] Okay... Now I'll kill this screen and go do something today... [01:00] SnoFox: You're behind already... they're on 2.6.28-11 now [01:00] Thanks again guys. :) [01:00] I had imagined ATI video drivers being slow and crappy... but I hadn't imagined them being entirely PANICing. [01:00] Oh come on! [01:01] SnoFox: I've just updated three PCs to it [01:01] They've been broken for around 4 versions. [01:01] It takes me all day to update, and when I get done, they release another version. xD [01:01] My bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [01:01] Bah, screw it. Now I know what the problem was, shouldn't take too long this time. [01:01] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Fix released] [01:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620 [01:01] Ubuntu bug 288620 in fglrx-installer "fglrx:fireglAsyncioIntEnableMsgHandler] *ERROR* interrupt source ff000066 is not supported on this hardware (return code = 1) [EPR#257840]" [Low,Fix released] [01:01] wow! someone's redone the Xubuntu log-in page drastically! I thought it had gone wrong [01:01] * SnoFox launches a few root processes. [01:01] Not fixed! [01:01] Should I just go ahead and mark it back to not fixed? [01:01] Hey, does anyone know the current status of intel graphics? I had heard the intel driver was royally fsck'd, still the case? [01:02] lamalex: I have a couple of notebooks using 'intel' [01:02] the only issues I've had are with the LCD panels not providing EDID [01:02] what is EDID? [01:03] IntuitiveNipple: 3d/2d performance has been ok? [01:03] It's the data from the monitor that tells the system what resolutions and clock-rates it can support [01:03] ah k [01:03] lamalex: Well, I dunno... I don't really do much 3D with them... they _seem_ okay to me [01:03] lamalex: intel driver is better for me in jaunty [01:03] like. not crashing hedgewars :) [01:04] haha :) [01:04] What does the kernel packages install other thein -image and -headers ? [01:04] Other then the* [01:05] image and headers is about it [01:05] linux-restricted-modules [01:05] Oh yeah. [01:07] Ugh, lets see if I screw something up this time by removing the old kernel and installing the new one all in one Synaptic "Apply" [01:17] Why does everyone seem to be out to break the desktop UI in Jaunty :-( [01:17] Nice notification area icons are being rabidly removed, and now I have a great big box saying "No Indicators" shoved onto my panel [01:20] how do i get the iconv library ? [01:21] AM_ICONV: command not found [01:23] Why do you think it should have that command? A command in all-uppercase is almost unheard of [01:24] גאhey all [01:24] maco: hi [01:24] maxb: well this is what i get when running ./autogen.sh [01:25] * iconv library not found. It's necessary for proper manipulation with texts so xine requires it as default. [01:25] huh... AM_ICONV sounds more like an autoconf macro [01:26] cant find it anywhere :/ package search synaptic nowhere :/ [01:26] what are you building? [01:27] xine-vdpau [01:28] is there a way to tell do-release-upgrade to use <160MiB in /boot ? My /boot is only 128 MiB large anyway... [01:28] dimitree: install gettext [01:28] ok [01:29] (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] (Uptime):[1 min] [01:29] Now am I updated? :> [01:30] * SnoFox waits for IntuitiveNipple to say "Nope. They just released 12." [01:30] :p [01:30] I'm working on -12 as we speak hehehe [01:31] crdlb: dear god that worked thank you very much sir :) [01:31] So I bet I'll be updating tomorrow. :P [01:31] IntuitiveNipple: great nick [01:31] dimitree: don't thank me, thank apt-file [01:31] thank you apt-file ;) i will record that one thanks [01:31] apt-get is for installing/removing, apt-cache is for searching, so what's apt-file for? [01:32] filing ? [01:32] finding out what packages contain a filename [01:32] including ones that are not installed [01:32] helping linux noobs like me ? :) [01:32] Oh. So more searching. :> [01:33] I used apt-file search iconv [01:34] which had a lot of results, but one of them ended in .m4, which is the macro language autotools uses [01:34] oh crap so it's not that simple afterall [01:40] well intel finally did it. They've stole my heart, new jaunty driver is awesome! [01:40] graphics [01:41] which driver? [01:41] the dkms one? [01:42] Roey, no the intel GEM graphics driver [01:42] i can finally run windows games in wine without hickups [01:43] ohh [01:43] is it smooth any? [01:43] and is it only on intel video hardware? === elpargo is now known as elpargo|away [01:44] its really smooth, can play simcity4 warcraft 3 on high, nexuiz doesnt crash anymore [01:44] i suppose its for all the drivers that use mesa. since intel acquired them, they've done marvelous job [01:55] hey peeps.. anyone have a problem after dist-upgrade this evening? [01:56] I upgraded today, having some sound issues, thats about it [01:56] I have boot problem.. Not sure what happens.. the computer freezes before the splash screen shows up--but i can see the new lil graphic change for the ubuntu loading thing [01:57] couldn't take a screen shot--so this is the best picture i could get [01:57] http://s5.tinypic.com/14lh4s0.jpg [01:57] I tried to go back and start up on previous kernels, that helped nothing [02:01] has anyone seen issues with the mono packages in the repository for 9.04? I currently hang the entire syste when installing dependencies to mono ... haven't figured out how to reset my dpkg selections [02:09] * Amaranth rebuilds linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic with PREEMPT and builds l-r-m against it [02:09] actually it just finished [02:10] * Amaranth restarts [02:13] * DanaG now has no restricted modules. [02:13] =þ [02:13] The only one I could even possibly think of using is fglrx........ and it's just plain broken. [02:13] * crdlb also due to ath5k :D [02:15] yay [02:15] Linux ronin 2.6.28-11-generic #99 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 18 18:02:45 CDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [02:15] and the wl.ko driver connected to my WPA2 this time === yofel_ is now known as yofel === rolls is now known as Rolle [02:32] Could my problem be fglrx ? [02:37] Rolle: Almost certainly [02:37] anyway to undo what was upgraded? [02:50] wait, are dtchen and crimsun the same person? [02:50] DanaG: yes. [02:50] question all...I've been stuck on a partial upgrade for about 3 days now... [02:50] ah. [02:50] that is my question [02:50] :) [02:51] Oh yeah, random thing with PA: 0.9.15 doesn't seem to want to let me use the network features. The UI has those checkboxes for zeroconf disabled.... and if I manually enable them, PA gives protocol errors and such. [02:51] is it possible to have a terminal with colors ? like error and warning messages with big red letters for blind guys like me ? :) [02:52] ... and then kicks the client. === kalpik__ is now known as kalpik [03:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768 [03:04] Ubuntu bug 153768 in hal "External SATA (eSATA) removable disk (formatted with Ext3) not mounted automatically: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" [Unknown,Confirmed] [03:04] random. [03:18] could someone try to reproduce a bug with inkscape/compiz/gnome for me? [03:20] stefano-palazzo: knowing what the bug is would be helpful in deciding that ;) [03:21] yofel, when i put inkscape in fullscreen mode (f11), and hover over something to get a tool tip, the screen starts flashing black and white quickly [03:21] just thought i'd ask before reporting it :-) [03:34] Woo I just installed and updated jaunty in vbox and it's crashed rather impressively :) [03:39] I'm running Kubuntu Jaunty on an N810 (ARM proc), and plasma doesn't seem to be loading on login [03:39] wait - scratch that [03:39] When I unplug certain usb devices, it kills my session and sends me to a login screen i've never seen before? [03:39] it was just >really< slow [03:39] ZeZu: what sort of login screen? [03:40] well i guess its a normal X / login screen, but its not the one i'm used to on ubuntu, although this simple desktop just auto logs me in now [03:40] has a nice color'd background image but not the brown one [03:41] its black / orange etc [03:42] Jaunty does have a redone GDM theme [03:42] its just odd, it doesn't even seem like a logout, i haven't checked the logs to see if its an X crash [03:42] IIRC, it is in those colours [03:42] well that is what it is then [03:42] it likely is [03:42] what were you unplugging? [03:42] a usb phone [03:42] phillips handheld skype phone [03:42] and it doesn't always do it [03:42] might have done it with other things too i dont recall [03:43] err yea its done it with a flash drive as well [03:43] weird [03:43] possibly if i removed it without unmounting it .. maybe [03:43] that is odd [03:43] yea :| [03:43] I could see if it was an input device, maybe, but that doesn't sound like a simple X issue [03:45] ah and npviewer.bin crashes on a regular basis [03:46] i'm guessing that is flash or such [03:46] dtchen: 32 bit. [03:47] Cycom: that's a shame. i only compiled a 64-bit set. [03:47] dtchen: oh. [03:53] is it possible to revert back to 8.10 [03:53] after upgrade [03:53] very carefully, yes. [03:53] see apt-pinning [03:53] e.g., apt_preferences(5) [03:53] !apt-pinning [03:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-pinning [03:53] oh ok [03:54] where do I see this?, am I suppose to google this? [03:56] hmm seems kinda tricky, I don't want to redo everything over agian [04:00] thought it would be just as easy to downgrade as upgrading was [04:05] o0Chris0o: it's hard and completely unsupported [04:06] Amaranth: I'll just stick with the alpha build :D its all good [04:06] I see its being updated constantly === elpargo|away is now known as elpargo === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [06:08] so i'm running irssi from the terminal because gnome won't load [06:10] I updated and upgraded while in there.. restarted, didn't help. Anyway to find out if there are errors being thrown during the time after ubuntu loads and gnome is suppose to start? [06:11] you can try cat'ing /var/log/ [06:11] cat /var/log/dmesg | less ... same with syslog, messages, debug... [06:12] k i'll try that [06:12] thanks LordKow [06:41] how do i set the default sound card again? [06:42] nm i remembered [07:01] wow [07:01] new jaunty usplash theme is pretty nice [07:01] i think im actually going to install usplash now [07:17] yeah its nice, but if you have have screen, its oblong :( [07:17] oops, if you have wide screen [07:37] just had a bug of mine triaged and fixed, how do I check what version of xorg-server I am currently running? [07:38] man xorg | grep xorg-server [07:41] how do I do a backtrace? [07:45] two questions, how do start ubuntu on a system with bad ram, and what does eed=on in the Other Options menu do? [07:55] if I am looking on launch pad of a fix released, how long before it becomes available to upgrade? [07:58] Hey all [07:58] Canonical has developed some notification scheme for gnome right? [07:58] but it seems that they've just completely ignored that kde has already done that [07:59] im sorry edd [08:30] JohnFlux: Well the gnome goal in life is to redundancify all of KDE [08:31] doleyb: :-) [08:46] Is kubuntu-desktop in the repos kde4.2 metapackage? [08:49] anyone know how long from fix-released status on launchpad to availability to upgrade from apt-get? [08:50] The new wallpaper looks darn good! [08:50] wallpaper? Where? [09:07] beardbar: that depends on testing of the fix I believe and release from bzr that they have [09:09] scizzo: ok thanks === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [09:55] after the last updates, I can not login to my gnome session. The Hard disk start to load then it stops. Then nothing happen :( [09:59] please, can you help me. [10:00] eid: after or before grub? [10:00] if at grub, press 'e', and remove the splash, then press 'b' to boot [10:00] BUGabundo: after grub, I reached gdm, I try to login but it stops [10:02] BUGabundo: after I enter the username and the password it seems that it is loading because the HDD led is blinking then suddenly it stops, I ma using now tty3 to use irssi [10:05] eid: please try to change the session to gnome-safe [10:05] BUGabundo: it seems the laptop DCed while it was upgrading the last night, I am now trying to use dpkg --configure -a [10:09] Hi, what do you think about the new boot splash and the new gdm look? :/ [10:09] BUGabundo: now it works :) [10:17] anyone here using ati graphics cards? [10:55] hi, I got an issue with an acer laptop, the ethernet card is a Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02), I got the eth0, I look on google for issue with this card, I found a kernel patch solution, but seams to be allready apply to the jaunty one, the eth0 doesn't work, no dhcp and if I fix the ip manually nothing send or recieve, any idea ? [10:55] thanks === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [11:29] yay I've got Audio back! [11:30] maco is Dan around? [11:30] * BUGabundo goes close the bug [11:47] oh crap another update today lol [11:47] dimitree: only one? [11:47] I get mine 4 times a day [11:48] no they are many i just summerised lol [11:48] just woke up and checked for updates :) yesterday my dvb card dissapeared after one of them lol [11:49] and today i bet i will lose surround sound hahaha alsa base update -__- [11:50] is it ok to keep old configuration files ? Or i should replace them ? [11:54] Glad to finally have fglrx working, but oddly it doesn't start in the right resolution for my screen. However if I log in and out X switches to the right resolution. [11:57] awesome :) no sound at all this time [11:58] awesome DVB card gone again ahahahah [11:58] alpha versions are fun [12:25] What is the default theme going to be? [12:26] And where in the system can I find this information myself? [12:26] Without creating a new user account and checking what it uses. [12:28] cyberix: theme should remain as it is now [12:28] the brown menace as Fedora bloggers call it [12:30] hey guys [12:31] i got a problem with my wifi atheros [12:31] i can't connect anymore [12:31] we already heard that today! [12:31] seem that some update broke it [12:31] file a bug [12:31] and let #ubuntu-kernel know about it [12:32] mvo: ping. around? [12:33] do you have the restricted modules for that kernel installed? [12:36] hey, did someone mention problems with atheroes wifi connections? [12:37] 3rd time now [12:37] is there a bug report yet? [12:38] [23:33] do you have the restricted modules for that kernel installed? [12:42] btw, is it recommended to do aptitude update before every aptitude upgrade ?? [12:42] I was using Jaunty Alpha 6 last time on mu NC10 which has Atheros and wireless worked first time [12:43] hi [12:43] tabgal: yes [12:43] is there a way to go back to amarok 1.4 on jaunty? i don't like the new version [12:43] tabgal: when I use apt, I do update before upgrade, and only then distupgrade [12:43] Hobbsee, okay [12:44] ok, I mean, while jaunty is being 'stabilized' [12:45] tabgal: well, naturally, you would have to. the update refreshes the package lists, which then tells you if anything is at a newer version than last time you ran the update. [12:45] but it's ok, I did update before upgrade every time [12:45] Hobbsee, yeah, makes sense [12:46] nado: use the package manager, highlight the package of choice, from menu item "packages" click on "force version". Then you can pick the level you want. [12:47] JMFTheVCI: thanks, will try that [12:48] nado: what don't you like? maybe you should make a construtive comment to the autors? [12:49] BUGabundo: i already contributed a few ideas, as far as they could tell me they are being developed, but not done yet [12:49] for example searching the playlist was way easier in 1.4 [12:50] there are no dynamic playlists yet, etc. [12:50] nado, +1, but as far as I understand, the thing is building new K apps with the K infrastructure, plugins, etc, so it's not 'up to speed' yet [12:52] JMFTheVCI: force version is greyed out for amarok, any idea? [12:52] BUGabundo: Human or Human-Clearlooks? [12:52] tabgal: yup, i understand that, i'm not hurrying anyone, i just like the older version :) [12:53] :) [12:53] cyberix: ahh? [12:53]