| ArneGoetje | asac: that should be only hinting-slight. The hinting-medium link is a leftover from Hardy which hasn't been removed properly. | 00:54 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | ArneGoetje: hmm. so another left over ;) | 01:02 |
| asac | ok | 01:02 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: please upgrade to my packages in ppa | 01:03 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: you can set the values to "auto" in font_rendering | 01:03 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: will do later. | 01:43 |
| === onestone_ is now known as onestone | ||
| calc | does Ubuntu have the fprintd support that the Gnome 2.26 release notes mentions? | 03:34 |
| * calc has a fingerprint reader in his laptop | 03:34 | |
| johanbr | The necessary packages seem to be in Universe. | 03:37 |
| johanbr | libpam-fprint etc... | 03:37 |
| calc | ah ok | 03:38 |
| calc | i didn't know if the fingerprint stuff shows up automatically in about me when that is installed or not | 03:38 |
| johanbr | nor do I | 03:38 |
| crevette | hello gentlemen and ladies | 08:13 |
| seb128 | hello there | 08:17 |
| crevette | seb128, hello | 08:49 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 08:49 |
| crevette | there is a problem with the plugin empathy of nautilus-sendto-universe | 08:50 |
| crevette | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto-universe/+bug/344765 | 08:51 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 344765 in nautilus-sendto-universe "no Telepathy sending" [Undecided,New] | 08:51 |
| crevette | how can I ask a rebuild ? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | crevette: you can't you need to reupload | 08:52 |
| crevette | :/ | 08:58 |
| tseliot | seb128: I have written a fix for bug 339228 (which really is bug 307306) | 08:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 339228 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339228 | 08:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 307306 in gnome-power-manager "upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307306 | 08:58 |
| seb128 | tseliot: that's not a g-s-d bug then? | 08:59 |
| tseliot | seb128: it's a bug in gnome-desktop as it does hardware probing even for trivial events | 09:00 |
| seb128 | did you discuss that upstream? | 09:00 |
| tseliot | and g-s-d relies on gnome-desktop | 09:00 |
| seb128 | where is the patch? | 09:00 |
| tseliot | yes, but they don't seem extremely interested | 09:00 |
| tseliot | here are my patches: | 09:01 |
| tseliot | https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-desktop/tseliot-fixes | 09:01 |
| tseliot | https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-control-center/tseliot-fixes | 09:01 |
| tseliot | have a look at the latest revision | 09:01 |
| tseliot | revisions | 09:01 |
| seb128 | what is the upstream bug number? | 09:01 |
| tseliot | there are two of them: | 09:01 |
| tseliot | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574931 | 09:01 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 574931 in general "gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-display-properties slow down xserver when external monitor added" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 09:01 |
| tseliot | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568160 | 09:02 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 568160 in libgnome-desktop "Gnome Settings daemon causes high CPU usage with an expensive call" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 09:02 |
| tseliot | my change involves a small change in the API (i.e. calling gnome-screen-refresh() with an additional argument) therefore I doubt that it will be accepted by upstream in this version of Gnome | 09:03 |
| seb128 | tseliot: ok, that is no go for jaunty | 09:03 |
| seb128 | that's an ABI breakage, not an addition | 09:03 |
| seb128 | it would require a soname change and to transition everything built against libgnome-desktop in jaunty | 09:03 |
| tseliot | seb128: is there anything else that relies on gnome-desktop? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | better to add a new function doing what you want and make gnome-control-center use it | 09:04 |
| seb128 | tseliot: apt-cache rdepends libgnome-desktop-11 | 09:04 |
| seb128 | tseliot: probably not on the gnome-rr api but still that's an abi breakage | 09:04 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok, would it be ok if I modified only the static functions and add another non-static function? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | tseliot: you can modify anything which is not part of the public api | 09:09 |
| seb128 | you can add a new function doing the non expensive calls and change the code to call that one | 09:10 |
| seb128 | if you do please prefix it ubuntu_ though so we avoid having trouble with upstream because we modify their api in a non obvious way | 09:10 |
| tseliot | seb128: yes, this is exactly what I was thinking of doing. And yes I'll use the ubuntu_ prefix as I did in some other patches of mine | 09:11 |
| seb128 | excellent, thanks for your work | 09:11 |
| seb128 | I will try to ping federico about that when he's online | 09:11 |
| tseliot | ok | 09:11 |
| tseliot | I'll give you my new patches soon | 09:12 |
| seb128 | could you also attach your suggested patches to bugzilla when you done with those? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:13 |
| pitti | Good moring | 09:14 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 09:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: how do you feel today? better? | 09:15 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, much better | 09:16 |
| pitti | unfortunately I had to fiddle with my internet for an entire hour | 09:16 |
| pitti | my main network is broken, and then it took me another 20 minutes to get my 3G card workoing | 09:16 |
| pitti | bah | 09:17 |
| pitti | want DSL | 09:17 |
| seb128 | dsl is coming ;-) | 09:19 |
| tseliot | seb128: shall I attach my patches that break the API in the gnome bugzilla? | 09:20 |
| seb128 | tseliot: yes please | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | pitti: :( | 09:21 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok, I'll tell them that if the patches that I attach look good to them and they are interested, I'll add the checks for RandR's version both at runtime and at compilation time. | 09:22 |
| asac | seb128: in interface editor there are only 3 fonts, while we have 5 in the appearence dialog ... any clue where the others are configured? | 09:30 |
| seb128 | asac: say that again? | 09:30 |
| asac | seb128: ;). sorry. i mean in /desktop/gnome/interface there are 3 font names | 09:31 |
| asac | seb128: but in appearence dialog there are five ;) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | asac: ah, the title font is a wm thing and the monospace a g-t one I think | 09:32 |
| seb128 | asac: search for Sans in the gconf key names ;-) | 09:32 |
| seb128 | it should list those | 09:32 |
| asac | seb128: monospace is in /desktop/gnome/interface | 09:32 |
| asac | but let me search for sans and serif | 09:32 |
| seb128 | well, search in gconf-editor | 09:33 |
| seb128 | check to include the value | 09:33 |
| seb128 | and type the font name | 09:33 |
| asac | yeah so its nautilus desktop font | 09:33 |
| seb128 | that one is the one used for the desktop icons only right | 09:34 |
| asac | and metacity/general/title_bar_font | 09:34 |
| asac | great | 09:34 |
| asac | metacity/general/titlebar_font | 09:34 |
| asac | tbird is indeed an ugly beast. have to figure why it is such a wrong font there. in thunderbird 3 all seems fine. | 09:42 |
| asac | let me first finish this security update round for tbird ... after lunch i can hopefully deal with this | 09:43 |
| === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke | ||
| tseliot | seb128: I managed to achieve the same effect without breaking the API. This way we don't even have to update gnome-control-center: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-desktop/tseliot-fixes | 10:20 |
| seb128 | tseliot: excellent ;-) | 10:21 |
| asac | tseliot: set your email in your launchpad account ;) | 10:22 |
| asac | tseliot: to match what you use in bzr ;) | 10:22 |
| cassidy | crevette: seb128: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto-universe/+bug/344765 would be good to rebuild it now Empathy 2.26 reached Jaunty | 10:22 |
| asac | @canonical.it ? | 10:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 344765 in nautilus-sendto-universe "no Telepathy sending" [Undecided,New] | 10:22 |
| asac | whats that? | 10:22 |
| tseliot | asac: I thought I set it to @canonical.com already | 10:23 |
| asac | tseliot: seems you changed from @alice.it ... to @canonical.it ;) | 10:23 |
| asac | both are not associated with your launchpad account | 10:23 |
| asac | so i cannot click on your name (like i can do for Michael Vogt for instance ";)) | 10:23 |
| seb128 | cassidy: yes | 10:23 |
| tseliot | asac: @canonical.com is the default email address on launchpad. Or am I missing something? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | cassidy: somebody screwed the packaging apparently | 10:24 |
| asac | tseliot: i dont know. only thing i know is that the emails you used for commit are not associated | 10:24 |
| asac | with your LP account | 10:24 |
| seb128 | cassidy: the issue you shows suggest than a soname changes and the library has not be renamed | 10:24 |
| asac | if thats transitional its ok. otherwise you can just add multiple emails | 10:25 |
| cassidy | seb128: empathy renames his libs each time soname are changed | 10:25 |
| tseliot | asac: no, it's a typo. It looks like I replaces @alice.it with @canonical.it instead of @canonical.com. Thanks for making me notice ;) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | cassidy: there is something weird there | 10:26 |
| seb128 | cassidy: libempathy-gtk.so.17 => not found | 10:26 |
| asac | tseliot: no problem. | 10:26 |
| seb128 | cassidy: that should never happen | 10:26 |
| tseliot | asac: news on the hardy branch of n-m 0.7.1? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | cassidy: ok, nautilus-sendto-universe has no shlib depends apparently and you removed the old soname | 10:27 |
| cassidy | so problem is in nautilus-sendto-universe pkg? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:27 |
| seb128 | it should depends on libempathy-gtk17 | 10:28 |
| seb128 | which would assure this version stay installed even if there is a new one | 10:28 |
| asac | tseliot: that kind of got bumped from low to medium prio for me. | 10:28 |
| seb128 | cassidy: I will fix that today | 10:28 |
| asac | because we need it else where now | 10:28 |
| Zdra | seb128: we can have multiple version of libempathy installed on the same time? | 10:28 |
| asac | tseliot: so it will happen really soon | 10:29 |
| cassidy | seb128: cool | 10:29 |
| tseliot | asac: ah, very well :-) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | Zdra: well, if the soname change they don't conflict so yes, that's the reason we change binary names | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Zdra: do libsomething7 and libsomething8 can be installed together | 10:33 |
| seb128 | which makes easy transitions, you can keep libsomething7 installed while you rebuild things with the new version | 10:33 |
| Zdra | seb128: ok | 10:34 |
| asac | anyone else noticed that "paste" with middle mouse became unreliable in jaunty gnome-terminal? | 10:34 |
| seb128 | no | 10:34 |
| asac | not really a recent regression. i always thought it was X loosing events. but currently i am thinking its gnome-terminal eating mouse events if its not yet focussed | 10:34 |
| asac | interesting. i regularly need to press middle mouse twice or sometimes even three times to get the paste | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I don't copy things there often though | 10:35 |
| asac | fta: ^^ do you see this? | 10:35 |
| asac | ah right. you use xterm | 10:35 |
| asac | too bad | 10:35 |
| tseliot | seb128: patch submitted (just FYI): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568160 | 10:40 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 568160 in libgnome-desktop "Gnome Settings daemon causes high CPU usage with an expensive call" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 10:40 |
| seb128 | tseliot: thanks | 10:41 |
| tseliot | np | 10:41 |
| davidbarth | pitti: ping? MacSlow is building notify-osd latest tarball as I speak | 10:54 |
| asac | seb128: apt-get source ubiquity -> ./gui/glade/stepLanguage.glade | 10:55 |
| asac | seb128: the title is in "single line mode" ... this seems to have a bug making the label not scaling vertically at all | 10:55 |
| davidbarth | asac: ping? do you have new build of network-manager-gnome with the last title fixes? the last one i see (0.7.1~rc3-0ubuntu1) dates back to the 5th of March | 10:56 |
| asac | http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11246/bildschirmfoto_1_o1tzqH.png | 10:56 |
| asac | seb128: ^^ | 10:56 |
| asac | davidbarth: yes. i need to put some love into this asap. sorry for the delay. | 10:58 |
| asac | today or tomorrow morning i will try to get this through RMs. | 10:58 |
| pitti | davidbarth: he just told me | 11:01 |
| pitti | davidbarth: standing by :) | 11:01 |
| asac | so for single line mode we have: | 11:05 |
| asac | height += PANGO_PIXELS (ascent + descent); | 11:05 |
| asac | otherwise its height += PANGO_PIXELS (logical_rect.height); | 11:05 |
| seb128 | doh, GNOME switching to git officially for 2.27 | 11:14 |
| pitti | ugh, more pain | 11:15 |
| pitti | seb128: and you are complaining about bzr.. | 11:15 |
| seb128 | I like svn ... | 11:16 |
| cassidy | really?? O_o | 11:16 |
| seb128 | cassidy: svn? yes | 11:16 |
| Laney | does sending notifications work over dbus? i.e. could I monitor notification requests with dbus-monitor? | 11:17 |
| cassidy | i can't work with it any more | 11:17 |
| Laney | looking at bug 343261 for Banshee | 11:17 |
| cassidy | git changed my life (in better ;) | 11:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343261 in banshee "No notification on audio track changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343261 | 11:17 |
| seb128 | cassidy: over complication for no real benefit for what I do | 11:18 |
| cassidy | I guess that depends of your uses cases | 11:18 |
| seb128 | cassidy: get a checkout, do some easy changes, push back | 11:19 |
| cassidy | but for lot of developers that's a real benefit | 11:19 |
| cassidy | yeah for that svn is definitely easier | 11:19 |
| cassidy | but for us, for example, we have a branches oriented dev workflow. git is a must have in that case | 11:20 |
| seb128 | Laney: dbus-monitor --session | 11:20 |
| Laney | seb128: Yeah, I was just wondering if that would actually work (not on an Ubuntu box atm to test) | 11:20 |
| seb128 | cassidy: git makes that difficult for no good reason compared to bzr in such cases, but *shrug*, the git fanboys didn't bother trying to see if other dcvs work better usually | 11:20 |
| cassidy | seb128: I'm not considering myself as a git fan boy and I'm still using bzr (for my Elisa plugin for example). I recognized that git was scaring me first but now I know how to use it, it wouldn't change it for anything else | 11:22 |
| seb128 | cassidy: but that has been trolled enough, I guess I will just use git the way I used svn | 11:22 |
| cassidy | yeah if you do the same thing as you did with svn that's not so harder | 11:23 |
| seb128 | cassidy: you think bzr is not good enough for what you have to do? what do you miss there? just curious | 11:23 |
| pitti | seb128: well, frankly, svn is a pain in the neck | 11:24 |
| cassidy | seb128: I think it's generally less flexible and powerfull than git. What I miss most is the fast cloning/branching, the ability to store branches in the same repo, the remote repo, git rebase, etc | 11:24 |
| cassidy | bzr can probably do most of these stuffs with plugins though, I didn't really investigate this area | 11:25 |
| seb128 | I guess I'm not enough of a code writer to need all those things | 11:25 |
| pitti | svn's lack of branches, and together with that, this hideous websvn is a really major issue | 11:25 |
| cassidy | yep, as said, that's just a matter of uses cases | 11:25 |
| seb128 | I like the viewsvn of GNOME | 11:26 |
| seb128 | but *shrug* ;-) | 11:26 |
| pitti | cassidy: yeah, bzr has those as well (all built in, except for rebase, which is a plugin for good reason, since it's not a good idea to use it in public development) | 11:26 |
| cassidy | that's similar than vim vs gedit. Both a good editors but one is a lot more complete and require more training | 11:27 |
| pitti | seb128: really? I always bite into my table if I have to cherrypick a patch from svn; but maybe I just don't know some dirty tricks | 11:27 |
| cassidy | and not everyone needs to use vim :) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: it lacks a "give the diff for this revision", you have to do it file by file which is no fun but otherwise it's nice | 11:27 |
| pitti | the simple question "show me the diff of r1234" requires black magic with webcvs/websvn | 11:27 |
| pitti | seb128: right, that's the thing I'm usually interested in | 11:27 |
| seb128 | yeah, agree with you it lacks this one | 11:28 |
| seb128 | anyway no point to debate on that, it's settled for GNOME | 11:28 |
| pitti | so for popular projects I just keep a checkout and svn diff it from there (which is slightly easier, although still much harder than in bzr) | 11:28 |
| pitti | right | 11:28 |
| seb128 | good that they stop discussing tools for ages | 11:28 |
| * pitti shuts up | 11:28 | |
| pitti | I just don't quite understand how people can actually like git | 11:29 |
| cassidy | actually my prefered bzr feature is the launchpad integration. So if you could convince your co-workers to support git as well that would be great :D | 11:29 |
| cassidy | but I guess there is so political issues here :) | 11:29 |
| pitti | cassidy: that's in fact a long-standing wishlist item | 11:29 |
| seb128 | cassidy: lp will be opensource soon so you will perhaps be able to write a patch for it ;-) | 11:29 |
| pitti | cassidy: no, it's just a manpower thing | 11:29 |
| pitti | cassidy: writing a bzr interface for git which is really robust is far from trivial | 11:30 |
| pitti | seb128: bzr is open source.. | 11:30 |
| pitti | it's got nothing to do with lp | 11:30 |
| pitti | there's tailor, but it's not robust | 11:30 |
| pitti | i. e. if you do two git imports with tailor, the resulting branches aren't related to each other | 11:31 |
| seb128 | pitti: I think they want launchpad to do git hosting the way it does with bzr | 11:31 |
| cassidy | I'd like real git integration, not one going through bzr | 11:31 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 11:31 |
| cassidy | seb128: yep | 11:31 |
| pitti | cassidy: well, I for my part want a bzr interface for git, so that I can actually *use* it without constantly having to RTFM and think about the git complexities :) | 11:31 |
| pitti | but I don't mind much either way | 11:32 |
| cassidy | yeah that would be good and useful for lot of people | 11:32 |
| pitti | seb128: would you mind pinging me on jabber? need to test the new indicator-messages | 11:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: done | 11:35 |
| mdeslaur | asac: I've noticed Shift-Insert being unreliable in gnome-terminal since jaunty | 11:54 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti: want to test ekiga? | 12:03 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine_wk | 12:04 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: good day for that today, since I'm on 3G, and not on my weird ISP | 12:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: in your PPA? | 12:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: give me 30 mins to sponsor two more packages, then we can do that? | 12:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: how did the config migration work for you? I think I'll dump my ekiga gconf settings before the upgrade :) | 12:07 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti: sure | 12:09 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti: it just worked :) | 12:10 |
| pitti | nice | 12:10 |
| pitti | seb128: ted's two merge requests done; doing notify-osd now | 12:20 |
| pitti | . o O { with a bzr merge and a bzr bd -S this is all too easy! } | 12:21 |
| pitti | MacSlow: does the trunk bzr log contain all LP # references? I see two references, is that corect? | 12:23 |
| MacSlow | pitti, yeah... right now I cannot think of a bugfix between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 I might have overlooked | 12:24 |
| pitti | MacSlow: ok, thanks | 12:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 12:30 |
| pitti | MacSlow: is it expected that tests/test-modules segfaults? | 12:38 |
| pitti | the actual package works fine for me | 12:38 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti: that upgrade this morning was painful... killed my box, but i blame compiz | 12:39 |
| asac | mdeslaur: interesting | 12:40 |
| asac | mdeslaur: but for me its also middle click in firefox | 12:40 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: killed how? | 12:40 |
| asac | that sometimes doesnt work to close tabs | 12:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | memory | 12:40 |
| asac | somehow i think its at-spi ... let me disable assistive technolgoies | 12:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | compiz was using more than 700M RSS | 12:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | while update manager was doing a massive update | 12:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | 3G of ram and 2G swap all pegged | 12:40 |
| asac | i need a good wikipage about libindicate and the idea about that | 12:40 |
| asac | mpt: ? | 12:40 |
| kenvandine_wk | and apps started crashing | 12:40 |
| * kenvandine_wk wonders why compiz was sucking so much memory | 12:41 | |
| mdeslaur | asac: oh, something else then | 12:41 |
| kenvandine_wk | the fonts look great now though :) | 12:41 |
| asac | anyone knows when the beta lock will happen? | 12:43 |
| seb128 | asac: today when slangasek wake up and find an IS person to turn the button | 12:43 |
| seb128 | asac: ie in the next hours | 12:44 |
| kenvandine_wk | asac: the fonts look great! | 12:44 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: ;) | 12:44 |
| kenvandine_wk | but pidgin's fonts look huge :) | 12:44 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: except in thunderbird | 12:44 |
| * kenvandine_wk is a evo guy :) | 12:44 | |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: so ... there are a few more tweakages | 12:45 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: monospace fonts in terminal need to be changed | 12:45 |
| asac | let me check pidgin | 12:45 |
| asac | maybe we need to use a smaller document_font | 12:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | pidgin defaults to the document font | 12:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | oh yeah... terminal is huge too | 12:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | but they are sharp looking :-D | 12:46 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: terminal font is even in a bug in gnome terminal i think | 12:46 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: but i will know more in a few | 12:46 |
| MacSlow | pitti, oh no ... that should not happen | 12:47 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: hehe. for now set document_font to 10.666px | 12:48 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: bug #345168 ready for review, builds fine with the svn-patch included. | 12:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345168 in nautilus-cd-burner "Please sponsor version 2.25.3 in jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345168 | 12:48 |
| kenvandine_wk | asac: nah... i will wait so i can test the defaults | 12:49 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: thanks! | 12:49 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: hm, diamondcard seems to work for me, but @ekiga.net not | 12:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: I can't get the echo test (immediately disconnects) | 12:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: and if I try to ring you, it says "user not available" | 12:50 |
| seb128 | I don't use ekiga but it seems to be buggy every time pitti tries a new version | 12:51 |
| pitti | heh | 12:51 |
| pitti | seb128: interestingly enough, using @diamondcard.us has never failed me | 12:51 |
| pitti | just @ekiga.net | 12:52 |
| MacSlow | pitti, I'm looking into the notify-osd test-suite atm | 12:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine_wk: try to ring me? | 12:52 |
| MacSlow | pitti, I'll get back to you once I know more ... btw... which part segfaults for you? | 12:52 |
| kenvandine_wk | one sec | 12:52 |
| pitti | MacSlow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133617/ | 12:53 |
| pitti | MacSlow: hang on, trying to get a stack trace | 12:53 |
| MacSlow | pitti, wtf ... I fixed that | 12:54 |
| MacSlow | that can't be | 12:54 |
| * MacSlow tears out his hair | 12:54 | |
| pitti | MacSlow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133619/ | 12:57 |
| mpt | asac, I'm sorry, tedg and I haven't had time to write up anything about it yet | 13:03 |
| mpt | the Empathy developers need it too | 13:03 |
| MacSlow | pitti, do you run it on the build-server or locally? | 13:07 |
| MacSlow | pitti, question is ... does it have a proper display or not ... the test-suite currently needs that | 13:08 |
| MacSlow | hey mvo | 13:08 |
| mvo | hey MacSlow | 13:08 |
| asac | mpt: hmm ... i need to explain to moz the difference of libindicate and why supporting that in the "general" toolkit makes sense ... for background i had http://paste.ubuntu.com/133628/ | 13:12 |
| pitti | MacSlow: locally | 13:13 |
| pitti | MacSlow: yes, it's my normal workstation, just debian/rules build and tests/test-modules | 13:13 |
| pitti | jaunty du jour | 13:13 |
| MacSlow | pitti, while it does not crash here it covers only 54% of the tests ... that's unacceptable and I suggest to defer notify-osd for today | 13:15 |
| MacSlow | 's beta | 13:15 |
| pitti | MacSlow: well, the previous versions's test crashed as well; I uploaded it already, too | 13:15 |
| pitti | since my tests in the real system (volume control, IRC bubbles, etc.) work just fine | 13:16 |
| MacSlow | pitti, I just cannot chase everything so fast | 13:16 |
| pitti | MacSlow: joining dx | 13:16 |
| MacSlow | it's such a mess | 13:16 |
| huats | hello everyone ! | 13:17 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 13:17 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 13:17 |
| huats | hello seb128 ! | 13:17 |
| huats | ho are you ? | 13:17 |
| seb128 | huats: good, you? | 13:17 |
| huats | seb128: good too ! | 13:19 |
| huats | it is summer here :) | 13:19 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:20 |
| seb128 | it's sunny here too | 13:20 |
| Laney | Lucky! We just have grey skies | 13:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: having the configure.in diffing and the symbol diff, etc as part of a standard testsuite in bzr-buildpackage would be nice | 13:23 |
| pitti | yeah | 13:24 |
| seb128 | I always do that by hand | 13:24 |
| seb128 | diff the configure.in between version | 13:24 |
| seb128 | run my diff-symbols.py after build | 13:24 |
| pitti | ok, time for lunch | 13:24 |
| pitti | bbl | 13:24 |
| seb128 | and then by debdiff between installed version and new debs | 13:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: enjoy! | 13:24 |
| seb128 | tseliot: still around? was your gnome-desktop change something ready for sponsoring? | 13:37 |
| tseliot | seb128: yep | 13:42 |
| tseliot | seb128: I updated the bzr branch to the latest version that you uploaded | 13:42 |
| tseliot | since the version in the ~ubuntu-core-dev wasn't up-to-date | 13:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot: can you give the bzr url again? | 13:43 |
| tseliot | https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-desktop/tseliot-fixes | 13:43 |
| tseliot | the branch is: lp:~albertomilone/gnome-desktop/tseliot-fixes | 13:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot: thanks | 13:43 |
| tseliot | seb128: thanks in advance for the upload :-) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 13:56 |
| seb128 | tedg: hi, got a minute to discuss your pidgin changes? | 13:56 |
| tedg | seb128: Sure. | 13:57 |
| seb128 | tedg: ok, so 2 questions | 13:57 |
| tedg | seb128: Heh, there's only two patches ;) | 13:57 |
| seb128 | 1- wouldn't it make sense to use the prefs.xml to change the default option to show the icon? or that's not working? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | 2- did you send your other change upstream, cf patch tagging and lower delta etc discussions | 13:58 |
| tedg | seb128: I don't see a prefs.xml in the source tree. I think it gets built by that code. That is what sets the defaults for that. | 13:59 |
| seb128 | tedg: cd debian/prefs.xml in the deb source | 13:59 |
| tedg | seb128: Yes, I will, I just finished it at 2am last night. That's a today thing :) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | cd -> cf rather | 13:59 |
| seb128 | tedg: ok, no hurry I'm just making sure we don't carry diffs for ever for no good reason ;-) | 14:00 |
| tedg | seb128: Ah, I didn't look in the debian packaging. Sure, that works for me, I was just only looking in the upstream codebase. | 14:01 |
| tedg | It seems a little weird that the debian packaging does things differently than the upstream project though... | 14:01 |
| seb128 | tedg: ok, let's upload your version for now maybe and figure that later? | 14:02 |
| tedg | seb128: Sounds good. | 14:02 |
| seb128 | tedg: how differently? we ship a config rather than patching the code | 14:02 |
| seb128 | that seems a better way to me | 14:02 |
| seb128 | redhat does that too in them rpm iirc | 14:02 |
| tedg | seb128: They don't ship a config at all and build it on the fly. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's odd. | 14:02 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:03 |
| dandre | hello, | 14:03 |
| dandre | I am looking for a fax frontend to send faxes from my ubuntu to a hylafax server | 14:03 |
| seb128 | I've no strong opinion either way ;-) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | dandre: -> #ubuntu | 14:03 |
| tedg | For instance if they change the defaults, or the type of a value, that's going to show up as a bug instead of something that just "goes with the flow." | 14:03 |
| dandre | sorry | 14:03 |
| pedro_ | seb128: salut, may you please give your opinion on bug 344431? | 14:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 344431 in brasero "cd / dvd creator appears in the apps menu, not in places" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344431 | 14:04 |
| seb128 | pedro_: holla! | 14:04 |
| * tedg is learning things he shouldn't in Pidgin's debian/lintian-override directory :) | 14:04 | |
| seb128 | one minute | 14:04 |
| seb128 | tedg: ah ah | 14:05 |
| seb128 | tseliot: uploaded and pushed to the ubuntu-desktop vcs (it's stored there now, I've updated the control) | 14:11 |
| tseliot | seb128: thanks :-) | 14:11 |
| seb128 | tedg: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24088024/0.14-1ubuntu6.debdiff | 14:12 |
| seb128 | tedg: why did you remove the VERSION file there? | 14:13 |
| tedg | seb128: Sorry, that was a bzr-ism. The file got deleted and then the commit caught it. | 14:13 |
| tedg | I forgot to clean it up. | 14:13 |
| seb128 | tedg: ok, I drop that change then | 14:13 |
| tedg | seb128: Great, thanks. Sorry about that. | 14:14 |
| seb128 | no problem! | 14:14 |
| tedg | I think it's a problem in the upstream build system. They also delete some HTML files. | 14:14 |
| seb128_ | could piding be less intuitive as an IRC client? | 14:20 |
| seb128_ | it opens a nickserv dialog saying the nickname is already registered | 14:20 |
| seb128_ | no channel list, nothing obvious on what to do or showing that IRC is connected | 14:20 |
| seb128 | seb128_: hello | 14:21 |
| seb128 | seb128_: hello | 14:21 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:21 |
| seb128 | tedg: it displays 3:23 for the message time when it's 15:23?! | 14:21 |
| tedg | seb128: Yes, it is a translateable string. You're just seeing it in American ;) | 14:22 |
| seb128 | why does the time need to be translated I will never understand | 14:23 |
| seb128 | it's easy french doesn't use am and pm we use 24 hours | 14:23 |
| seb128 | that should be a locale thing and just work | 14:23 |
| tedg | seb128: Because Americans can't read 24 hour time. | 14:23 |
| seb128 | well the american locale should say you use am and pm then | 14:24 |
| dobey | it does | 14:24 |
| seb128 | well so why do we need to translate the time string? | 14:24 |
| tedg | Well, that seemed like extra information that doesn't seem useful. Are you really looking at IM messages that are over 12 hours old? | 14:24 |
| dobey | that's what LC_TIME is for | 14:24 |
| seb128 | I though there was a glibc api for that | 14:24 |
| tedg | dobey: How do you get it from locale then? | 14:24 |
| dobey | but there are other issues | 14:25 |
| tedg | Please comment with ideas on bug 334036 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334036 in indicator-applet "Timestamp in messages not consistent with desktop" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334036 | 14:26 |
| dobey | like, i don't think there is a glibc api to actually give you a string for the time that is properly formatted for the locale | 14:26 |
| dobey | or something | 14:26 |
| tedg | The idea was to pull the GConf key from the clock. But that required pulling in GConf. | 14:26 |
| dobey | which is why there are a billion time strings in the evo translations for example | 14:26 |
| tedg | And lots of logic to find the clock. | 14:26 |
| seb128 | that is just ridiculous, there is none of those strftime() function or something to display an hour formatted for your locale? | 14:34 |
| dobey | strftime is like sprintf but takes time formatting options | 14:35 |
| dobey | so strftime("%h:%m") or something (though those are definitely not the right ones | 14:36 |
| seb128 | tedg: strftime %X | 14:39 |
| seb128 | displays 15:41:23 with a french locale | 14:40 |
| tjaalton | seb128: whoa, I already got a fix for the nfs bug :) | 14:40 |
| tjaalton | a _proposed_ fix | 14:40 |
| seb128 | "03:41:56 PM" with an en_US one | 14:40 |
| seb128 | tjaalton: nfs or gnome fix? | 14:40 |
| tjaalton | seb128: nfs/kernel | 14:40 |
| dobey | %X Equivalent to %T . | 14:41 |
| dobey | and %T is not in the man page... | 14:41 |
| tedg | seb128: Is there a way to kill the seconds though? | 14:41 |
| dobey | %T time; same as %H:%M:%S | 14:41 |
| dobey | from man date | 14:41 |
| dobey | huh | 14:41 |
| seb128 | tedg: man strftime? | 14:42 |
| seb128 | %T The time in 24-hour notation (%H:%M:%S). (SU) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | %X The preferred time representation for the current locale without | 14:43 |
| seb128 | the date. | 14:43 |
| seb128 | on jaunty | 14:43 |
| dobey | man stftime doesn't say that on intrepid. hrmm | 14:44 |
| seb128 | GNU 2008-10-29 STRFTIME(3) | 14:45 |
| seb128 | it has been updated recently | 14:45 |
| tedg | I still don't see how to do without seconds. | 14:45 |
| seb128 | right, me neither but there must be a way ;-) | 14:45 |
| tedg | I guess I could do %X and then compare it to one of the other cases using strcmp. | 14:46 |
| seb128 | you can use %H:%M but that will be 24 hours format | 14:46 |
| seb128 | and there is a way to query the 24h or amp,pm from libc for sure | 14:46 |
| seb128 | you could query and call with the right parameter for am,pm or 24 hours | 14:46 |
| dobey | you could do a regex of s/:[0-9][0-9] // on the sring :) | 14:48 |
| dobey | err | 14:48 |
| dobey | s/foo / / rather | 14:48 |
| tedg | Does devhelp work for anyone else? It's not worked on Jaunty for me. | 14:56 |
| mvo | works for me | 14:59 |
| mvo | (devhelp) | 14:59 |
| seb128 | mvo: want to sponsor #345168? ;-) | 14:59 |
| mvo | bug #345168 | 15:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345168 in nautilus-cd-burner "Please sponsor version 2.25.3 in jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345168 | 15:00 |
| * seb128 is trying to tackle the sponsoring queue before beta | 15:00 | |
| mvo | seb128: can do | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I think it's an easy one | 15:00 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:00 |
| mvo | kendo! | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I'm just busy with some other change and slangasek will probably trigger the freeze button soon ;-) | 15:00 |
| asac | \o/ ... i think i am done wiht the pre-beta-freeze rush | 15:01 |
| asac | great that the archive was still open toda | 15:01 |
| asac | y | 15:01 |
| asac | now looking at gnome-terminal and thunderbird font issue to see what we can do for beta still | 15:01 |
| fta | grr, why ooo keeps starting in fullscreen mode? it has no decoration, and i can't make it smaller (metacity) | 15:02 |
| mvo | seb128: geh, its not in bzr | 15:02 |
| mvo | crisis! | 15:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: you can put it there if you want ;-) | 15:07 |
| Ampelbein | mvo: i did not know that nautilus-cd-burner was to be packaged in bzr, the debian/control file did not say so. | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: it's not which is what mvo complain about ;-) | 15:19 |
| seb128 | or not yet | 15:20 |
| seb128 | rather | 15:20 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, nautilus-c-b looks ok, but I don't see it in the place menu anymore | 15:25 |
| mvo | seb128: but right click on a iso works - is that a known issue? | 15:25 |
| Ampelbein | mvo: yes | 15:26 |
| seb128 | mvo: yes, pedro_ pinged me about a similar bug before, forgot to look | 15:26 |
| seb128 | pedro_: ^ | 15:26 |
| seb128 | mvo: we don't use n-c-b by default anyway in jaunty so | 15:26 |
| pedro_ | is on the system tools menu now bug 344431 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 344431 in brasero "cd / dvd creator appears in the apps menu, not in places" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344431 | 15:26 |
| Ampelbein | mvo: gnome bug 573790 | 15:27 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 573790 in general "No way to access burn:// without a blank disc" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573790 | 15:27 |
| seb128 | ok I think that's a confusing choice | 15:29 |
| seb128 | vuntz: ^ what do you think about this one? | 15:29 |
| mvo | seb128: sorry, disconnected. did you say something in between? | 15:32 |
| seb128 | <seb128> ok I think that's a confusing choice | 15:32 |
| seb128 | vuntz: ^ what do you think about this one? | 15:32 |
| mvo | so its a choice from upstream? | 15:32 |
| seb128 | mvo: I think we should discuss adding back the item to the place menu | 15:32 |
| seb128 | mvo: <Ampelbein> mvo: gnome bug 573790 | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 573790 in general "No way to access burn:// without a blank disc" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573790 | 15:32 |
| mvo | thanks, I will sponsor the upload then, I was not certain if it was deliberate or a error in the package | 15:33 |
| seb128 | cool | 15:34 |
| seb128 | bah, hate gnome-screensaver | 15:34 |
| Ampelbein | mvo: thanks. gotta go now, be back later. cu. | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | pitti: did you upload/fix jockey in kubuntu to stop using sudo? | 15:34 |
| === Ampelbein is now known as ampelbein | ||
| davmor2 | pitti: it's alright jockey started up before the update :) | 15:35 |
| pitti | davmor2: yes, yesterday | 15:36 |
| davmor2 | pitti: yes jockey started up, then the updates ran, So it worked as expected after reboot | 15:36 |
| mdeslaur | asac: openoffice also probably | 15:37 |
| seb128 | Laney: hey, are you interested by doing some desktop work today? ;-) | 15:38 |
| pitti | davmor2: I'm glad to hear that :) | 15:39 |
| asac | mdeslaur: me? | 15:39 |
| asac | mdeslaur: font issues in ooo? | 15:39 |
| Laney | seb128: Aye, what needs doing? | 15:39 |
| mdeslaur | asac: probably the same issue as gnome-terminal and thunderbird | 15:39 |
| asac | mdeslaur: gnome terminal has a bug in the font code | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Laney: http://download.gnome.org/sources/evolution-mapi/0.26/evolution-mapi-0.26.0.1.tar.gz is an easy update but current version is totally broken | 15:40 |
| asac | mdeslaur: they always reset stuff to point | 15:40 |
| asac | mdeslaur: i found that already and have to fix it | 15:40 |
| Laney | seb128: OK I will be home in 90 mins to have a look | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Laney: and nautilus-sendto-universe uses no shlibs apparently and has been broken by some soname changes, needs a rebuild and to fix the shlibs issue | 15:40 |
| Laney | uh, weird | 15:40 |
| seb128 | indeed | 15:40 |
| asac | mdeslaur: tbird hopefully goes away when building with cairo and not with xft2 .. but i have to verify that. also i have to find out why (if its the case) xft behaves bad for some apps | 15:40 |
| asac | mdeslaur: most likely its really just bad app code overwriting stuff | 15:41 |
| asac | mdeslaur: tbird 3 is good | 15:41 |
| mdeslaur | asac: fun fun fun :P | 15:41 |
| seb128 | Laney: that might be because there is only plugins there and the path need to be added to the shlibs option | 15:41 |
| seb128 | Laney: it shlibs are usually for bin and lib | 15:41 |
| mdeslaur | asac: sorry for the can of worms :P | 15:41 |
| seb128 | Laney: in fact it uses DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL += --exclude=/usr/lib/nautilus-sendto/plugins explicitly | 15:42 |
| seb128 | Laney: that's to not have strong depends ... anyway it needs a rebuild then ;-) | 15:43 |
| mpt | asac, I suggest not taking up the topic with Mozilla until we have API documents ready. (We tried doing that with the Empathy developers, which predictably led to a confused response.) And if asked, say that we'll have API documents ready soon. | 15:43 |
| asac | mpt: its not my decision | 15:48 |
| asac | mpt: the topic was opened by others | 15:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: did we have case in previous cycle where gnome-screensaver upgrade where problematic for unlocking? | 15:48 |
| asac | mpt: and they started to implement stuff | 15:48 |
| asac | mpt: so we _now_ need to provide input to prevent more resources getting wasted ;) | 15:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: ie 2.24 running and upgrade to 2.26 the unlock dialog will not be showed correctly ... not sure what to do about that | 15:48 |
| mvo | seb128: we had this in the past, but I'm not sure for what versions | 15:50 |
| mvo | seb128: we disable the screensaver during upgrades | 15:50 |
| seb128 | mvo: what do you mean? | 15:50 |
| mvo | hm, I thought we did | 15:51 |
| seb128 | mvo: well, I did lock my screen manually after upgrade | 15:51 |
| seb128 | and had to go back to a vt stop gnome-screensaver to get back to my session | 15:51 |
| mpt_ | asac, what kind of "stuff"? libnotify stuff? | 15:52 |
| asac | mpt_: yes. i have to tell them that libnotify alone isnt good for messaging. | 15:53 |
| asac | mpt_: anyway. i can lead the discussion if you dont want to provide input | 15:53 |
| asac | ;) | 15:53 |
| asac | i will just give my ideas then. all i will achieve is tell them that we will give more info soon | 15:53 |
| mpt_ | Oh, I want to, it's just a matter of finding time :-P | 15:53 |
| mpt_ | Is there a bug report or somewhere I could post easily? | 15:53 |
| asac | mpt_: right. i showed you my paste and you didnt saw if its completely wrong or not ;) | 15:53 |
| mvo | seb128: do we have issues with that? | 15:54 |
| asac | mpt_: we should channel the input through one channel. its just confusing if multiple folks post different stuff ;) | 15:54 |
| asac | mpt_: thats why i asked and i will proxy ;) | 15:54 |
| mpt_ | fair enough | 15:54 |
| asac | but well ... lets wait till beta freeze | 15:54 |
| seb128 | mvo: wb | 15:55 |
| vuntz | seb128: last ping still valid? | 15:55 |
| mvo | hrm | 15:55 |
| mvo | network | 15:55 |
| mvo | sucks | 15:55 |
| seb128 | vuntz: yes | 15:55 |
| seb128 | vuntz: not sure what I asked but I don't think that was an outdating question ;-) | 15:56 |
| vuntz | seb128: the item was removed from Places, following a bug report | 15:56 |
| seb128 | vuntz: right, but do you think it's a good decision? | 15:56 |
| vuntz | seb128: it's mentioned somewhere in the ChangeLog | 15:56 |
| seb128 | just your personnal opinion | 15:56 |
| vuntz | seb128: I honestly don't care :-) | 15:56 |
| seb128 | I know what happened | 15:56 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:56 |
| vuntz | I'm fine either way | 15:56 |
| seb128 | vuntz: next question, did you run into the gnome-screensaver issue I described? | 15:56 |
| vuntz | I don't read everything | 15:57 |
| vuntz | so I don't know the issue :-) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | vuntz: well now you have 2 items in the menu, one opening the gui and one opening the nautilus location, not very obvious | 15:57 |
| seb128 | vuntz: <seb128> mvo: did we have case in previous cycle where gnome-screensaver upgrade where problematic for unlocking? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | <seb128> mvo: ie 2.24 running and upgrade to 2.26 the unlock dialog will not be showed correctly ... not sure what to do about that | 15:57 |
| seb128 | vuntz: ie if you lock the screen without having restarted the session you can't unlock | 15:57 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I get it every time, tried several downgrade and upgrades now | 15:58 |
| vuntz | ah | 15:58 |
| vuntz | err | 15:58 |
| vuntz | 2.24 to 2.26 or 2.25.2 to 2.26.0? | 15:58 |
| seb128 | 2.24 to 2.26 | 15:59 |
| seb128 | distro upgrade | 15:59 |
| seb128 | I didn't try 2.25 ;-) | 15:59 |
| vuntz | so I don't know :-) | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ie intrepid to jaunty | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:59 |
| mvo | seb128: we had this in the past, but I'm not sure for what versions | 16:10 |
| mvo | seb128: I thought we disable the screensaver during upgrades, but I can not find the code for that right now, maybe it got dropped again? | 16:11 |
| asac | good that slangasek sleeps so long ;) | 16:11 |
| asac | archive was still open ;) | 16:11 |
| calc | seb128: i think the screensaver issue happens on 2.25.2 -> 2.26.0 also | 16:14 |
| calc | seb128: or something caused me to not be able to unlock, i ended up killing the running screensaver and then it let me log back in | 16:15 |
| seb128 | ^ vuntz | 16:15 |
| seb128 | I though jaunty didn't have 2.25.2 | 16:16 |
| calc | er well whatever we had directly prior to 2.26.0 | 16:16 |
| * calc looks in his log | 16:16 | |
| vuntz | seb128: well, blame gnome-screensaver people, I'd say :-) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | calc: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver | 16:16 |
| vuntz | but I didn't remember seeing this | 16:16 |
| calc | i upgraded jaunty today in any case and that is when it happened | 16:16 |
| seb128 | vuntz: yeah, I'm doing that next | 16:16 |
| vuntz | although... I'm not using a screensaver | 16:16 |
| seb128 | vuntz: maybe you restarted your session before locking screen | 16:16 |
| vuntz | seb128: I don't lock my screen, except when travelling | 16:16 |
| seb128 | me neither | 16:17 |
| calc | ah ok i am wrong, i think it must have happened between 2.24.0-0ubuntu4 and 5 | 16:17 |
| seb128 | I noticed because I did switch to my test user and it locked screen | 16:17 |
| mvo | poor vuntz, bombarded with questions :) | 16:17 |
| * calc had just assumed it upgraded to 2.26 along with everything else today | 16:17 | |
| calc | hmm that is really odd the 5 is from last week? | 16:17 |
| seb128 | no I didn't upload 2.26 because of the issue | 16:17 |
| vuntz | mvo: I'll make seb128 pay, don't worry | 16:17 |
| seb128 | heh! | 16:18 |
| calc | ok whatever happened when i upgraded today i noticed the issue i hadn't noticed it before today | 16:18 |
| calc | maybe something screensaver uses library-wise is the culprit? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I will pay, GNOME switching to git, that's like paying every day for things you didn't do | 16:18 |
| vuntz | mvo: and he's from Alsace, so that's fine... | 16:18 |
| mvo | haha | 16:19 |
| mvo | git :( | 16:19 |
| * mvo weeps | 16:19 | |
| seb128 | calc: so you are saying that's an issue in the current jaunty gnome-screensaver version already? | 16:20 |
| seb128 | brb testing | 16:21 |
| * hyperair likes git | 16:29 | |
| calc | seb128: yea | 16:34 |
| calc | seb128: after restarting it seems to be ok though | 16:34 |
| calc | seb128: i did not notice it happening before my upgrade today | 16:34 |
| calc | seb128: for whatever reason i also had trouble ssh'ing at the time so i thought it might have been some sort of weird pam issue | 16:35 |
| calc | seb128: i could login to the console (ctl-alt-f1) and also after killing the running screensaver process for the dialog (there were two processes) i could log in via screensaver | 16:35 |
| * hyperair wonders if anyone here has debian upload privileges and is willing to sponsor my nautilus-share upload to debian (and then sync to ubuntu). this fixes bug #209136 | 16:38 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 209136 in nautilus-share "use system icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209136 | 16:38 |
| dobey | hyperair: i don't understand that bug | 17:08 |
| hyperair | dobey: basically nautilus-share uses very dated looking icons | 17:10 |
| hyperair | like stock GNOME kind of thing | 17:10 |
| hyperair | something like if you kill gnome-settings-daemon.. that kind of effect | 17:10 |
| hyperair | dobey: the screenshots show what it _should_ be, not what it _is_ | 17:11 |
| dobey | all the gtk+ stock icons are in the tango style now | 17:11 |
| hyperair | which is why i didn't understand it at first eitehr | 17:11 |
| dobey | well, i don't think that the icon /should/ be what that bug report says it should be, but eh | 17:12 |
| hyperair | dobey: okay, take a look at /usr/share/nautilus-share/pixmaps/something.png (there's only one file and i can't remember the name) | 17:12 |
| dobey | i don't have it installed | 17:12 |
| hyperair | dobey: what it _should_ be is gnome-fs-share | 17:12 |
| hyperair | wait.. lemme upload it somewhere then. | 17:12 |
| dobey | gnome-fs-share doesn't exist :) | 17:12 |
| dobey | wel, it's a symlink to folder-remote | 17:13 |
| dobey | i don't need to see the old icon | 17:13 |
| dobey | if it was an old ugly icon, that's fine, it obviously needs to be changed | 17:13 |
| dobey | i'm just saying that i don't think folder-remote is what it should be changed to, as it's not really the right metaphor | 17:13 |
| dobey | but i don't really have a better suggestion at the moment either | 17:15 |
| dobey | probably a folder with emblem-shared overlaid would be better | 17:16 |
| hyperair | dobey: it originally was... stock_shared-by-me for the menu.. | 17:16 |
| hyperair | and a bigger one which is shipped in the tarball | 17:16 |
| hyperair | for the actual properties dialog | 17:16 |
| dobey | i don't think that's what stock_shared-by-me was | 17:18 |
| hyperair | it is | 17:18 |
| hyperair | the patch says so | 17:18 |
| mpt_ | eeejay, hi, is there common terminology for exposing text for accessibility purposes that isn't visible otherwise? | 17:18 |
| hyperair | - "stock_shared-by-me"); | 17:18 |
| hyperair | + "gnome-fs-share"); | 17:18 |
| mpt_ | eeejay, i.e. is it called "expose to assistive devices", or something like that? | 17:18 |
| hyperair | that. | 17:18 |
| dobey | oh i guess it was, but it's old style | 17:19 |
| hyperair | originally the patch only had that, so i made a similar change to the .glade file | 17:19 |
| dobey | hyperair: i'm not saying it didn't use that | 17:19 |
| dobey | hyperair: if you're going to change it though, you should change it to a correct name | 17:19 |
| dobey | not gnome-fs-share | 17:19 |
| hyperair | what's the correct name? | 17:19 |
| dobey | well, gnome-fs-share is a symlink to folder-remote, which is the name in the icon naming spec | 17:19 |
| hyperair | hmm seriously? | 17:20 |
| dobey | but it is the opposite metaphor of 'shared by me' | 17:20 |
| hyperair | hmm yeah =\ | 17:20 |
| hyperair | but that's what the patch in 0ubuntu7 had. | 17:20 |
| dobey | sure. sometimes people make incorrect patches, or don't research or ask people who know, what it should be :) | 17:21 |
| hyperair | alright alright point taken | 17:25 |
| hyperair | i should go upload -3 to mentors.debian.net now =\ | 17:25 |
| hyperair | and then send out yet another email | 17:26 |
| hyperair | RFS email | 17:26 |
| dobey | heh. i need to just say the hell with it, and go rip out all the 'stock' icons from gnome-icon-theme | 17:26 |
| dobey | and force people to update stuff | 17:27 |
| hyperair | hmm that won't do =\ | 17:27 |
| hyperair | you'll break every damn thing | 17:27 |
| hyperair | dobey: actually there are differences between gnome-fs-share and folder-remote | 17:28 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - if i get a new message in pidgin, but immediately close the message window without reading it, would you expect the message to disappear from the indicator applet too? | 17:28 |
| hyperair | it just happens that gnome-icon-theme defaults to using folder-remote | 17:28 |
| dobey | hyperair: huh? | 17:28 |
| dobey | differences where? | 17:28 |
| hyperair | some icon themes make them different =\ | 17:28 |
| hyperair | i just dug though soem of my icon themes | 17:28 |
| dobey | some icon themes are broken | 17:28 |
| hyperair | well how sure are you that gnome-fs-share is _supposed_ to be _exactly_ the same as folder-remote? | 17:29 |
| hyperair | is it documented anywhere? | 17:29 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: Hmm, yes. Does it not? | 17:30 |
| dobey | gnome-* icons don't exist (unless they are application icons for gnome-foo named applications) | 17:30 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: I don't think we're attaching anything to the conversation being destroyed. | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | it doesn't. the message remains in the applet, and then it crashes pidgin when i try to read the already deleted message | 17:30 |
| dobey | hyperair: i maintain gnome-icon-theme, tango-icon-theme, and the icon naming spec :) | 17:30 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 17:30 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: don't worry about the tracker build issue | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | i was going to ask about that | 17:30 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: Okay, have you filed a bug? I'll fix it :) | 17:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: it's a soyuz bug they will fix it, new section not available yet | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks seb128:) | 17:31 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 17:31 |
| seb128 | thanks for the update ;-) | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - i think i used apport to report it a little while back, but i'll check the latest crash to make sure it's the same trace | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | it's against pidgin | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no problem ;) | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - bug 340717. i don't think the trace looks that useful though | 17:33 |
| ubottu | Bug 340717 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/340717 is private | 17:33 |
| hyperair | dobey: ah. that adds a whole lot of weight to your words ;) | 17:33 |
| dobey | hyperair: see the 'Author' part of the icon naming spec ;) | 17:33 |
| hyperair | um which package? | 17:33 |
| dobey | http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/latest.html | 17:34 |
| hyperair | dobey: so if you're maintainer of gnome-icon-theme.. what's the point of making gnome-fs-share a symlink of folder-remote? | 17:34 |
| dobey | hyperair: compatibility for older apps that aren't updated to the new names yet | 17:34 |
| dobey | which is why there are so many symlinks in gnome-icon-theme | 17:35 |
| hyperair | i see | 17:35 |
| dobey | development releases default to not enabling the symlinks though | 17:35 |
| hyperair | hm | 17:36 |
| dobey | but i don't think anyone ever really sees the results of that | 17:36 |
| dobey | otherwise there'd probably be a lot more open bugs about icons | 17:36 |
| hyperair | i see | 17:36 |
| mpt_ | eeejay, I went ahead and did <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=diff&rev1=105&rev2=103>. You're welcome to correct my terminology if I have it wrong. | 17:48 |
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| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| hyperair | Laney: the notify-osd problem is caused by gsd not notifying notify-osd upon state-change. | 20:18 |
| Laney | how come it works for some people? | 20:19 |
| hyperair | it does? | 20:19 |
| hyperair | that's surprising. | 20:19 |
| Laney | yes | 20:19 |
| Laney | popey has them, for example | 20:19 |
| Laney | that's how I found out they existed in the first place | 20:19 |
| hyperair | hmmmm | 20:19 |
| hyperair | the problem is that the bug encompasses two i should think | 20:20 |
| hyperair | wait | 20:20 |
| hyperair | i'm not sure | 20:20 |
| hyperair | =\ | 20:20 |
| hyperair | we're talking about notify-osd showing the icon of the media key you just pressed right? | 20:20 |
| hyperair | time to take a peek at gsd patches | 20:21 |
| crevette | hey | 20:25 |
| crevette | I remember there is some agreement on the header to set for patch to track what they do, do you have a linkn, | 20:26 |
| Laney | hyperair: yeah | 20:35 |
| hyperair | Laney: you're right. it should be in already | 20:38 |
| hyperair | Laney: either way the buggy code is in notify-osd | 20:38 |
| hyperair | sorry i meant gsd | 20:38 |
| Laney | gsd listens for those dbus events? | 20:39 |
| hyperair | wrong. gsd _generates_ those dbus events | 20:40 |
| Laney | right | 20:40 |
| hyperair | gsd is what sits between your xorg's media keys stuff and dbus | 20:40 |
| Laney | I know | 20:40 |
| hyperair | banshee and gang connect to gsd via dbus | 20:40 |
| Laney | and it also is supposed to push a notification? | 20:40 |
| hyperair | yes | 20:40 |
| Laney | k | 20:40 |
| hyperair | if you dget the dsc, you can look at 16_whatever.patch | 20:40 |
| hyperair | it looks like it pushes the notification... | 20:41 |
| hyperair | + NULL, /* "notification-audio-play", */ /* PLAY_KEY */ | 20:41 |
| hyperair | + NULL, /* "notification-audio-pause",*/ /* PAUSE_KEY */ | 20:41 |
| hyperair | + "notification-audio-stop", /* STOP_KEY */ | 20:41 |
| hyperair | + "notification-audio-previous", /* PREVIOUS_KEY */ | 20:41 |
| hyperair | + "notification-audio-next", /* NEXT_KEY */ | 20:41 |
| hyperair | for the media keys except play/pause | 20:41 |
| hyperair | but it doesn't handle stop/prev/next for me | 20:44 |
| hyperair | and the thing is, if it was an icon theme issue, then you should be noticing a blank popup | 20:44 |
| hyperair | Laney: ^ | 20:45 |
| Laney | well I just get nothing | 20:45 |
| Laney | why don't you put some debugging traces in to see what gets called and returned? | 20:45 |
| hyperair | hmm i could try | 20:46 |
| hyperair | but actually i'm on intrepid | 20:46 |
| hyperair | with gsd 2.24-x | 20:46 |
| hyperair | with a backported patch of cuorse | 20:46 |
| Laney | heh | 20:47 |
| Laney | you should upgrade :( | 20:47 |
| hyperair | but intel T_T | 20:47 |
| Laney | is it that bad? | 20:47 |
| hyperair | everything 3d except compiz flies out of the window | 20:47 |
| hyperair | yes it's bad | 20:47 |
| hyperair | and it only affects some people | 20:47 |
| hyperair | it might hit only those with agp + intel | 20:47 |
| hyperair | i'm one of those badly hit | 20:47 |
| Laney | :( | 20:49 |
| * Laney cuts Evolution | 20:52 | |
| Laney | it looks nice, but why does everything have to take so long? | 20:52 |
| hyperair | ? | 20:52 |
| hyperair | what's long? | 20:52 |
| chrisccoulson | evolution runs like a dog on my machine | 20:52 |
| hyperair | evolution frequently hangs on mine | 20:53 |
| chrisccoulson | when i open it and it loads the mailbox, my machine grinds to a halt for 5 minutes | 20:53 |
| chrisccoulson | anything that involves any sort of disk activity on my desktop basically stops it from working | 20:53 |
| Laney | oh, mine's not that bad | 20:53 |
| Laney | just the application itself | 20:53 |
| chrisccoulson | mines terrible. the mouse cursor stutters and pauses for several seconds at a time and all the windows fade to gray | 20:54 |
| Laney | 1 minute+ delay from clicking "Reply" to actually getting a window, message text takes ages to download and so on | 20:54 |
| Laney | it seems that it queues up a load of network IO and your requests just get shoved at the end | 20:54 |
| chrisccoulson | my desktop takes nearly a full minute to open a gnome-terminal after i launched evolution | 20:55 |
| chrisccoulson | ah | 20:55 |
| chrisccoulson | i have no issues with network IO - mines all disk IO related | 20:55 |
| hyperair | Laney: gsd is not firing off the required notification stuff | 20:55 |
| Laney | any idea why? | 20:55 |
| chrisccoulson | yop shows i get about ~70% iowait on my dual core when doing anything that involves any sort of disk activity | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | and that corresponds to my machine grinding to a halt | 20:56 |
| Laney | :( | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | yop -> top | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 20:56 |
| Laney | Thunderbird may look like arse, but at least it performs well | 20:56 |
| hyperair | Laney: dunno. i need to figure out my own package first @_@ | 20:57 |
| Laney | hah | 20:57 |
| hyperair | Laney: i don't know why, but the patch doesn't seem to be in my gsd, yet i'm getting the pretty volume notifications | 20:57 |
| hyperair | damn weird. | 20:57 |
| Laney | volume started working with a recent update for me | 20:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: run sqlite3 .db vacuum to fix that | 20:57 |
| hyperair | Laney: it's worked for me on my ppa since the day i backported the patch. | 20:58 |
| hyperair | aha! that's why | 20:58 |
| hyperair | i was looking in the wrong gnome-settings-daemon directory | 20:58 |
| hyperair | damn i feel stupid | 20:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: upstream knows about the issue, that should be fixed for 2.26.1 before jaunty | 20:58 |
| hyperair | i should git-ify everything | 20:58 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'll try that, but i think it might be a short-term fix. i have a general issue with anything disk intensive on this machine, so i can't entirely blame evolution ;) | 20:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: right but evo tend to do a lot of io after time right now, that helps a lot | 20:59 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i'll give it a go | 20:59 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: ie my evolution was hitting disk for 1 minutes on bugmails box before doing that, after it's some seconds | 20:59 |
| chrisccoulson | probably doesn't help that i have ~60000 unread messages;) | 20:59 |
| seb128 | right, same for my bugmail box | 21:01 |
| seb128 | they are read though | 21:01 |
| hyperair | hmm | 21:01 |
| hyperair | the patch is different | 21:01 |
| seb128 | but that should not make a difference ;-) | 21:01 |
| hyperair | i'll need to backport this patch then | 21:01 |
| seb128 | what are you looking at changing? | 21:01 |
| Laney | looking into why gsd doesn't send media key notifications | 21:02 |
| hyperair | Laney: can you do dbus-monitor 'interface=org.freedesktop.Notifications' and then start hitting your prev/next keys | 21:03 |
| Laney | it only has the ones for track change from Banshee | 21:03 |
| hyperair | only huh | 21:04 |
| hyperair | that means it's gsd'd fault | 21:04 |
| hyperair | how about your eject key | 21:04 |
| Laney | don't have one | 21:04 |
| seb128 | Laney: ctrl-f9 | 21:04 |
| hyperair | set it to an arbitrary shortcut | 21:04 |
| Laney | k | 21:04 |
| Laney | yeah that works | 21:05 |
| Laney | seb128: Do you have any idea how I can repro this mapi crash without a server available? | 21:06 |
| Laney | can I install something to set one up easily? | 21:06 |
| seb128 | Laney: no, just do the version update ;-) | 21:06 |
| Laney | or should I just update and ask the reporters to test | 21:06 |
| seb128 | do that | 21:06 |
| seb128 | that's how we do for exchange bugs | 21:06 |
| seb128 | nobody around has an exchange server | 21:06 |
| Laney | fair enough | 21:07 |
| didrocks | hey o/ I am updating evolution-mapi FYI | 21:07 |
| Laney | oh | 21:07 |
| Laney | ok! | 21:07 |
| didrocks | gnome planet is a great ressource ;) | 21:08 |
| Laney | seb asked me earlier ;) | 21:08 |
| Laney | but nm | 21:08 |
| didrocks | ok, sorry, didn't see it | 21:08 |
| didrocks | you can do it if you wish :) | 21:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I though you were in Lyon for the day | 21:08 |
| Laney | nah, I only got as far as uscan | 21:08 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 21:08 |
| didrocks | (it's already done by my side) | 21:08 |
| Laney | go for it | 21:08 |
| didrocks | hello seb128 : yes, but it's just 1h30 from Annecy :) | 21:09 |
| Laney | I see you french guys have a national strike today | 21:09 |
| Laney | lazy sods ;) | 21:09 |
| didrocks | Laney: yes, I saw a lot of people on strike in Lyon :) | 21:09 |
| didrocks | it builds and installs sucessfully. As last time, I think that nobody have an exchange server around… :/ | 21:11 |
| Laney | yeah, just ask reporter to test it | 21:11 |
| didrocks | Laney: I wasn't able to test it last time because of that and just uploaded it :/ | 21:11 |
| Laney | or jelmer/andrewsomething | 21:11 |
| Laney | they did the initial packaging; guess they tested it the | 21:11 |
| Laney | n | 21:11 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - after vacuuming, evolution opens in a few seconds ;) | 21:12 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks! | 21:12 |
| Laney | \o | 21:12 |
| * hyperair has an exchange account | 21:12 | |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you're welcome | 21:12 |
| didrocks | Laney: jelmer asked to a friend IIRC, I asked him to do this before I sponsored it ;) | 21:12 |
| hyperair | what's this mapi crashabout? | 21:12 |
| Laney | I'm letting it filter and process all new mail | 21:12 |
| Laney | to see if it gets faster after this | 21:12 |
| Laney | hyperair: it crashes after you authenticate | 21:13 |
| hyperair | without fail? | 21:13 |
| Laney | sounds like it | 21:13 |
| Laney | at least for the reporter | 21:13 |
| Laney | nobody files bugs when it works ;) | 21:13 |
| seb128 | does gnome-sound-properties start for everybody there? | 21:13 |
| Laney | yep | 21:13 |
| didrocks | hyperair: I can make it available to my ppa if you wish. It fixes http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574784 | 21:14 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 574784 in Mail "evolution-mapi can't fetch messages" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 21:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: for me, it's ok | 21:14 |
| seb128 | for me too | 21:14 |
| hyperair | didrocks: i'm on intrepid =\ | 21:14 |
| seb128 | we just got some bugs about the mixer and that one not opening now | 21:14 |
| hyperair | Laney: what happens when you do the eject key test thing again? | 21:15 |
| Laney | hyperair: It ejects and I see the notification | 21:15 |
| didrocks | strange, does he use virtualbox? (no sound in it) | 21:15 |
| hyperair | Laney: strange, you actually see that notification? | 21:15 |
| hyperair | mine shows a big eject logo | 21:15 |
| Laney | sure | 21:15 |
| hyperair | traditional style | 21:15 |
| hyperair | =\ | 21:15 |
| Laney | heh | 21:15 |
| Laney | you crazy backporting foo' | 21:15 |
| hyperair | looks like i've got additional problems | 21:15 |
| * hyperair sighs | 21:15 | |
| hyperair | i have to check my notify-osd package again | 21:16 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - what are your thoughts on the nautilus auto-restarting issue? upstream seem to be fairly quiet about this. i had a look at it this evening and it looks fairly difficult to fix | 21:16 |
| hyperair | hey somebody had to do it | 21:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: I think we should set the autorestart to false if they don't fix it and let user who have a crash restartit | 21:16 |
| seb128 | it's easy enough to open a place for example | 21:16 |
| chrisccoulson | that might be a safe compromise for now | 21:17 |
| chrisccoulson | intrepid didn't have the Autorestart key. it relied on setting the restartstyle hint with GnomeClient to a state dependant on whether it was drawing the desktop or not | 21:18 |
| hyperair | #$%^ why do they change the damn capabilities strings EVERY SINGLE RELEASE?! | 21:18 |
| hyperair | damn fickle pricks | 21:18 |
| chrisccoulson | i looked at the possibility of doing the same with eggsmclient, but it doesn't appear to have the features for this | 21:18 |
| hyperair | every single patch has to be updated everytime there's a new release | 21:18 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems that eggsmclient only lets you set the restartstyle hint before connecting to the session manager | 21:19 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: right | 21:22 |
| seb128 | that's a known limitation, the bug fix would be to add the api to allow changing dynamically that value | 21:23 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that would be nice | 21:23 |
| chrisccoulson | probably a bit too late for this cycle though? | 21:23 |
| seb128 | not sure, better to ask to vuntz | 21:23 |
| seb128 | I would not bother for jaunty and just unset the autostart I think | 21:23 |
| vuntz | vuntz is in a meeting :-) | 21:23 |
| seb128 | vuntz: ;-) | 21:24 |
| seb128 | what notify-osd capability changed this time? | 21:24 |
| seb128 | they were supposed to have support for old and new naming in this version to make updates easier | 21:24 |
| seb128 | " - Add compatibility checks to ease transition period for applications to | 21:24 |
| seb128 | pick up the capability and hint name changes. (LP: #343553)" | 21:24 |
| hyperair | Laney: this is seriously weird. i'm getting the next icon when ipress prev. | 21:32 |
| hyperair | and nothing when i press next | 21:32 |
| Laney | haha | 21:32 |
| Laney | well that's a start, right? ¬_¬ | 21:32 |
| hyperair | uint32 0 | 21:33 |
| hyperair | string "notification-audio-next" | 21:33 |
| hyperair | string "Previous" | 21:33 |
| hyperair | string "" | 21:33 |
| hyperair | very interesting | 21:33 |
| hyperair | we're probably seeing some skewed enum or something | 21:34 |
| hyperair | aha | 21:37 |
| hyperair | that's right | 21:37 |
| hyperair | pressing stop gives me.... previous | 21:37 |
| hyperair | okay, what do enums start with? | 21:38 |
| hyperair | 0 or 1? | 21:38 |
| hyperair | oh wait a sec | 21:38 |
| hyperair | i've an idea | 21:38 |
| dobey | does everyone else get some type of useful notification that updates are available in jaunty? | 21:38 |
| seb128 | dobey: define useful notification? | 21:39 |
| dobey | seb128: i ran apt-get update, and there are a crapload of updates available, but there's no tray icon or anything. i'm having to run apt-get upgrade, or update-manager by hand to install them | 21:40 |
| seb128 | yes, that's the expected behaviour | 21:40 |
| seb128 | update-manager auto-opens once a week for normal updates now | 21:40 |
| dobey | how am i supposed to know when updates are available? | 21:40 |
| seb128 | and once a day for security updates | 21:40 |
| dobey | ugh | 21:41 |
| Laney | when it auto-opens :( | 21:41 |
| seb128 | dsign team decided that user are not upgrade maniacs | 21:41 |
| dobey | not all of them, sure | 21:41 |
| seb128 | and that once a week for standard updates will do | 21:41 |
| seb128 | you can turn the gconf key to have the old behaviour back if you want | 21:41 |
| dobey | what gconf key? | 21:41 |
| seb128 | I think it's /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch | 21:42 |
| hyperair | Laney: do you seriously get a notify-osd popup for eject? | 21:42 |
| Laney | rofl | 21:43 |
| Laney | I'm not lying to you :( | 21:43 |
| dobey | yay | 21:43 |
| dobey | seb128: thanks, that is much better | 21:43 |
| hyperair | very strange.. | 21:43 |
| seb128 | Laney: maybe you didn't restart something recently | 21:43 |
| seb128 | I don't | 21:43 |
| seb128 | that was working some days ago though | 21:43 |
| Laney | well I didn't restart after today's updates | 21:43 |
| seb128 | you might still be running the old g-s-d or something | 21:43 |
| Laney | I'll do that though now | 21:43 |
| Laney | brb | 21:44 |
| hyperair | Laney: could you do the dbus-monitor thing with eject? | 21:47 |
| seb128 | nothing is sent | 21:48 |
| Laney | hyperair: It's broken now since I rebooted :) | 21:49 |
| hyperair | loool | 21:49 |
| hyperair | i knew it | 21:49 |
| Laney | hahaha | 21:49 |
| hyperair | staring down the patch showed that eject was unhandled | 21:49 |
| hyperair | so i just couldn't imagine why you had it working | 21:49 |
| hyperair | now the very strange thing is that the enums seem to magically start from 1. | 21:50 |
| seb128 | eject was working 2 days ago when I sponsored 2.25.92-0ubuntu2 | 21:56 |
| seb128 | the previous and next actions are working fine here | 22:01 |
| seb128 | only eject is not | 22:01 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - just looking at the g-s-d patch. in gsd_media_keys_notification(), there is this line: | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | if (media_key_icon[key] == NULL) return FALSE | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | EJECT_KEY is false | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | **NULL even | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | d-oh | 22:04 |
| seb128 | right, I could swear I've seen it working though | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | it did used to work | 22:04 |
| Laney | why was it disabled? | 22:05 |
| seb128 | it was not | 22:05 |
| seb128 | they just don't have an icon for it apparently or something | 22:05 |
| * Laney wonders what he saw earlier | 22:06 | |
| seb128 | well it was working | 22:06 |
| seb128 | the code changed though | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | that's right - media_key_icon[EJECT_KEY] is definately NULL | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | and the function just returns because of that | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | the code did change quite a bit since the last release | 22:06 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: well | 22:07 |
| seb128 | +static const char *media_key_icon[] = { | 22:07 |
| Laney | woah | 22:07 |
| seb128 | NULL | 22:07 |
| seb128 | NULL | 22:07 |
| seb128 | NULL | 22:07 |
| seb128 | etc | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | yep;) | 22:07 |
| seb128 | I think they used the standard icon before | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | only stop, forward and back are populated | 22:07 |
| Laney | hyperair: I, er, have next/prev notifications now | 22:07 |
| seb128 | but they changed notify-osd to use better defined icons | 22:07 |
| seb128 | and they don't have one for eject | 22:07 |
| hyperair | Laney: makes sense. i just figured out where i missed out | 22:07 |
| hyperair | XRANDR_KEY was taken out between 2.24 -> 2.26 | 22:07 |
| Laney | that magical restart fixed it all | 22:07 |
| hyperair | you should havek illed gnome-settings-daemon =\ | 22:08 |
| Laney | didn't know it got an update | 22:08 |
| Laney | know or check tbh | 22:08 |
| seb128 | they have notification-device-eject.svg | 22:08 |
| * seb128 tries to use that in the enum now | 22:08 | |
| * Laney misses play/pause too | 22:10 | |
| seb128 | right it's not in the enum either | 22:10 |
| Laney | yeah | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | there's no icon for pause | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | probably why both play/pause are disabled | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | would look odd seeing a notification for play but not for pause | 22:11 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: actually i noticed my play/pause button triggering PLAY_KEY | 22:11 |
| hyperair | or something | 22:11 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: which means that should be a play/pause icon instead of just play | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | possibly | 22:11 |
| seb128 | right | 22:12 |
| hyperair | but yeah you should fix eject | 22:13 |
| hyperair | it was working before the update | 22:13 |
| hyperair | the previous patch worked with eject | 22:13 |
| seb128 | right, it's just a matter to add the icon name in the enum, easy enough | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | that's good:) | 22:14 |
| Laney | hm | 22:17 |
| Laney | having looked at the Human icons, I feel like I'm missing out now :( | 22:17 |
| seb128 | Laney: dpkg -L notify-osd? | 22:17 |
| Laney | seb128: There seems to be more in /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/status/ | 22:17 |
| seb128 | we don't want theme specific icons though | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney - i'm not using human icons, but i created symlinks in the icon theme I use so i get all the notifications in my preferred theme | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | it looks really neat | 22:18 |
| Laney | so you get the "human" icons in your regular theme? | 22:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: the notify-osd icons are in hicolor, should be used in any theme | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | i get all the notifications in my regular theme rather than the ones in hicolor | 22:19 |
| Laney | seb128: "This is a set of fallback icons for Gnome. Canonical icons are in the Human icon theme." | 22:19 |
| Laney | from the README | 22:19 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 22:20 |
| seb128 | didn't know ;-) | 22:20 |
| hyperair | ? | 22:20 |
| seb128 | eject is working now | 22:20 |
| hyperair | Laney: are you sure that's right? | 22:20 |
| Laney | sure what's right? | 22:20 |
| hyperair | i remember i was making noise about icons being in human | 22:20 |
| hyperair | and then they shifted it all to notify-osd instead | 22:20 |
| Laney | there are different icons in Human | 22:20 |
| hyperair | so now it's sitting in notify-osd =\ | 22:20 |
| hyperair | there are? | 22:20 |
| Laney | and then some fallback ones there | 22:20 |
| chrisccoulson | the nice ones are in Human, and the fallback ones ship with notify-osd for those of us not using Human, or a theme that ships its own icons | 22:21 |
| hyperair | either way, you should just make your icon theme depend on human instead of symlinking =p | 22:21 |
| hyperair | there's a Depends line somewhre at the top of the index.theme file | 22:21 |
| hyperair | i think i'm seeing the human ones | 22:22 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - i didn't symlink to human. i symlinked within the theme i use so i get the icons in my native theme;) | 22:22 |
| chrisccoulson | http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=105750&d=1236531402 | 22:23 |
| hyperair | aah | 22:23 |
| hyperair | cool =p | 22:23 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: what are the original icon names? | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | it depends what theme you use. i just searched in the theme until i found ones that looked correct;) | 22:24 |
| hyperair | lol | 22:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i also did it for the indicator-applet icons too | 22:25 |
| chrisccoulson | although the indicator applet still doesn't do very much for me :/ | 22:25 |
| * Laney installs Jaunty on his Macbook | 22:26 | |
| seb128 | gnome-settings-daemon with eject action icon uploaded | 22:34 |
| seb128 | I didn't add the play one because of the lack of pause icon for now | 22:34 |
| Laney | \o/ | 22:35 |
| Laney | erk, Jaunty live CD counts down to autologin now | 22:35 |
| seb128 | you are the second user to report that this week | 22:36 |
| Laney | is there a bug? | 22:36 |
| seb128 | I was assuming that xorg or gdm or gnome-session was crashing for mpt and bringing it back to gdm | 22:36 |
| seb128 | ask on #ubuntu-devel maybe, I don't know | 22:36 |
| Laney | ok | 22:36 |
| hyperair | woo the sun is rising | 22:44 |
| hyperair | time for me to go to bed | 22:44 |
| seb128 | 'night | 22:45 |
| asac | seb128: what kind of abi guarantees do exist for _gtk symbols? no guarantee at all? | 22:46 |
| hyperair | night | 22:46 |
| asac | sleep well hyperair | 22:47 |
| seb128 | asac: what _gtk symbols? | 22:47 |
| dobey | asac: the private _gtk symbols that are listed in some headers? | 22:47 |
| dobey | asac: they will have to always be there for gtk+ 2.x if they are publically exposed | 22:47 |
| hyperair | asac: thanks. by the way, what about bug #248705 ? =p | 22:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248705 in evolution-data-server "Evolution Exchange does not authenticate to Exchange servers with a relative path in the form action, e.g. "owaauth.dll"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248705 | 22:47 |
| seb128 | asac: | 22:48 |
| seb128 | $ nm -D /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so | grep _gtk | 22:48 |
| seb128 | 000e5130 T hildon_gtk_file_chooser_install_properties | 22:48 |
| asac | seb128: those exported in headers | 22:48 |
| seb128 | asac: any example? | 22:48 |
| asac | seb128: but for internal use: | 22:48 |
| asac | seb128: look in gtkmodules.h | 22:48 |
| seb128 | oh, those, no guaranty | 22:48 |
| asac | seb128: good ;) | 22:48 |
| seb128 | ie they rewrote the fileselector and that broke hildonfm which was using that for example | 22:48 |
| asac | seb128: except the callbacks of course | 22:48 |
| asac | i reawlly just ment tose _gtk symbols | 22:49 |
| asac | also wonder why we export those in headers at all | 22:49 |
| asac | seb128: as you showed they are even not exported ;) | 22:49 |
| seb128 | in the fileselector case that was to write backends | 22:49 |
| seb128 | only libgnomeui was using that for the gnomevfs backend | 22:49 |
| asac | seb128: so what libs are using those now? | 22:49 |
| seb128 | not sure in your case | 22:49 |
| NetSkay | ello | 22:49 |
| asac | seb128: i mean they are not even exported anymore in the lib | 22:49 |
| asac | seb128: so they shouldnt be used anywhere except in gtk | 22:50 |
| NetSkay | someone willing to help poor fellow lnx user with openVPN :D | 22:50 |
| seb128 | asac: the fileselector ones? none, they dropped all that since they have gio in glib and don't need backends now | 22:50 |
| asac | seb128: no ... i mean those gtkmodules things | 22:50 |
| seb128 | NetSkay: -> #ubuntu | 22:50 |
| asac | but well | 22:50 |
| asac | i guess the answer is: they are not exported ;) | 22:50 |
| seb128 | asac: I don't know about those sorry | 22:50 |
| seb128 | or not sorry, I just don't know ;-) | 22:50 |
| seb128 | but yeah, don't use private thigns | 22:51 |
| seb128 | that's going to bite you | 22:51 |
| asac | seb128: thats ok. i was just hacking around and thought about changing one of those, when i discovered that they are in a exported header | 22:51 |
| asac | in code those "_gtk" things really looked like: not exported, nowhere used outside of gtk ;) | 22:51 |
| seb128 | could be used for theme engines | 22:51 |
| asac | seb128: but even if those symbols are not even exported. sounds unlikely | 22:52 |
| asac | only static linking could allow access to them i guess | 22:52 |
| asac | but anyway | 22:52 |
| asac | i will see if i can find someone in #gtk+ or sommething | 22:53 |
| asac | maybe tim knows ;) | 22:53 |
| seb128 | asac: ask bratsche maybe | 22:53 |
| asac | bratsche: ^^ _gtk symbols in gtkmodules.h ... why are they exported in a public header, but then not even visible in .so ? | 22:54 |
| asac | bratsche: is it a bug that they are in a public header at all? | 22:54 |
| asac | or is that best practice for gtk? | 22:54 |
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| bratsche | asac: Hang on, let me take a look. Not sure if I know the answer but let me look really quick.. | 23:01 |
| asac | bratsche: just look in the header ... the _gtk symbols really look private and even are commented as such. then they are not in nm -D /...gtk-x11... | 23:02 |
| asac | thanks | 23:02 |
| asac | seb128: so what damage about font sizes was reported on top of terminal, thunderbird ... ? | 23:03 |
| asac | did you get anything else? | 23:03 |
| bratsche | asac: That does seem like it should be a bug to me as well. | 23:03 |
| asac | bratsche: ok great. | 23:03 |
| asac | bratsche: i just was confused when i saw the header getting exported | 23:04 |
| bratsche | Then again, I didn't realize gtkprivate.h was an installed .h file either. I was about to say maybe these should go there. | 23:04 |
| seb128 | asac: some users complained about pidgin I think | 23:04 |
| asac | seb128: ok. a bit change is ok and expected. if they claim huge differences i would like to know | 23:05 |
| * asac starts pidgin | 23:06 | |
| seb128 | asac: not that I know but I will keep an eye on such reports and let you know | 23:06 |
| asac | so widgets look good here | 23:06 |
| asac | seb128: great. | 23:06 |
| bratsche | asac: I'll ask Matthias or someone about this tomorrow. Now I'm curious. | 23:06 |
| asac | seb128: terminal turned out to be a code bug. they always converted to point base without even properly recalcuating leading to a size boost | 23:06 |
| calc | why can't i turn on use burnproof in brasero? | 23:10 |
| calc | its greyed out | 23:10 |
| calc | my drive supports it | 23:10 |
| asac_ | what does evolution use to display mail body content? is that a gtk widget? or something custom? | 23:19 |
| bratsche | gtkhtml2 or gtkhtml3 or something like that. | 23:20 |
| bratsche | I forget the version. | 23:20 |
| asac_ | does that live outside of gtk tree? | 23:20 |
| bratsche | Yes. | 23:20 |
| asac_ | e.g. independent project? | 23:20 |
| asac_ | ah | 23:20 |
| asac_ | lets see if there is a bzr-mirror.gnome.org thing for it | 23:20 |
| seb128 | asac_: gtkhtml3 | 23:21 |
| bratsche | If you saw srag's blog post yesterday of the new Evolution-based mail client aimed at netbooks, they're using GtkWebkit for that. | 23:21 |
| seb128 | asac_: source is gtkhtml3.14 | 23:21 |
| bratsche | But Evolution itself has been stuck on gtkhtml3 for awhile | 23:21 |
| asac_ | seb128: hmm. there is gtkhtml2 and gtkhtml | 23:21 |
| seb128 | asac_: they plan to allow webkit for rendering in the next cycle but probably not for the editor | 23:21 |
| seb128 | asac_: it's gtkhtml then | 23:21 |
| seb128 | gtkhtml2 is libgtkhtml in ubuntu | 23:22 |
| bratsche | seb128: Not for editing? I thought webkit supported that finally? | 23:22 |
| seb128 | asac_: speaking about webkit did you ask about webkit 1.1? | 23:22 |
| asac_ | seb128: gwibber folks dont know how to fix it | 23:22 |
| asac_ | seb128: i asked them to investigate | 23:22 |
| asac_ | so lets give them a few more day | 23:22 |
| asac_ | seems webkit would break it completely | 23:23 |
| asac_ | not sure whats the problem. maybe will try on my own if there is no progress | 23:23 |
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| seb128 | bratsche: well srag said he has webkit rendering code (he did it for the the netbook software) but not for editing | 23:23 |
| bratsche | Oh, bummer. | 23:23 |
| bratsche | I missed that part I guess. | 23:23 |
| asac | too bad that bzr-playground.gnome.org will probably go away when there is git | 23:25 |
| asac | thats working so nice ;) | 23:25 |
| seb128 | bratsche: | 23:29 |
| seb128 | <mbarnes>is that just for email display or you think you can get a working composer by then too? | 23:29 |
| seb128 | <srag>mbarnes, only for display :-) | 23:30 |
| seb128 | <srag>dont even think of it for composer for Evo.. its early | 23:30 |
| seb128 | bratsche: that was the after meeting from this week | 23:30 |
| bratsche | Ah, okay. | 23:30 |
| calc | http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/openoffice.org/plots/openoffice.org-1day-new.png | 23:32 |
| calc | just fell off the cliff :) | 23:33 |
| rickspencer3 | check that OUT!!!! | 23:34 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: you rocked the OO bug list down to zero! | 23:34 |
| rickspencer3 | unheard of | 23:35 |
| calc | currently my upstream bug report numbers are 88.79% 86.21% 89.16% (working on the upstream linkage tomorrow) | 23:35 |
| seb128 | how responsive is upstream to bugs for openoffice? | 23:35 |
| seb128 | got alex to fix the ctrl-l ssh... mount error in gvfs today btw | 23:36 |
| calc | seb128: sometimes very fast other times just ignores them | 23:36 |
| calc | seb128: cool! :) | 23:36 |
| calc | seb128: i have to test every bug though because they get upset if i send them unverified bugs, esp since we use ooo-build | 23:36 |
| rickspencer3 | way to calc! | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | congrats | 23:37 |
| calc | rickspencer3: thanks :) | 23:39 |
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