[00:00] that may have been fixed since i noticed it last month...im not sure. i didnt see any updates for it or receive bugmail for that bug though [00:02] slangasek: how long 'til Beta Freeze? [00:03] LaserJock: a sunset and a sunrise again [00:03] slangasek: so end of Thursday UTC? [00:04] afternoon/evening Thursday UTC [00:04] k [00:04] thanks [00:05] slangasek: heads-up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/lpia-rebuilds-20090319 [00:05] slangasek: IMO we need to fix the affected libraries (esp. in main) ASAP but can perhaps defer big things like OOo [00:06] cjwatson: these should be pretty automatable, yes? just rebuilds? [00:06] I'm going to try to construct something that vaguely resembles a topological order [00:06] ok [00:06] just rebuilds, but the ordering makes it exciting [00:06] well, we could do all the uploads now before the freeze and sort out the ordering in LP :) [00:07] we could, but that scares me a bit more [00:07] ok [00:08] cjwatson: I have a few scripts I use for mass rebuilding for NBS, so if you want me to clean up after the exciting rebuilds are built, I can do it [00:08] I'll see how far I get. Thanks [00:08] I'll write a simple script for myself that fits my source tree layout, I've needed one for a while anyway [00:10] blah. Thanks, exploding jaunty! [00:11] i presume the dist-upgrader called from the recovery mode is in update-manager or something? [00:12] i've forgotten what it's acutlaly called :( [00:12] oh, found it. [00:16] Anyone know if this is a dupe / known issue? bug 344954 [00:16] Launchpad bug 344954 in acpi-support "stop suspending on lid-close while shutdown/hibernate running" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344954 [00:17] hrm I wonder who changed it to a question [00:17] mrooney: is that with -intel? [00:18] hmm, is there something broken with gtk on powerpc ? [00:18] mrooney: if so, see the lid-close quirk in the X section of the wiki. [00:18] mrooney: oh nm, seems not to be a lid close crash. [00:19] right, just that it will suspend if set to on lid close, even when already shutting down / hibernating [00:20] bryce: is that out of your area, then? [00:20] mrooney: yup [00:21] okay, thanks then :) [00:21] (hopefully see you again at UDS) [00:21] I'll be there :-) [00:21] oh that one's annoying [00:22] mrooney: or suspend twice ;) [00:22] maco: haha oh no! [00:22] bryce: I might be, I'll know when the sponsorship results come out! [00:22] maco: have you seen that bug before? [00:22] on kde if i click suspend then shut the lid before it finishes suspending, when i resume, itll immediately suspend again [00:23] haha, killer feature [00:23] i found a bug on gnome-power-manager that said fix released...that it wouldnt send both events. i filed a bug in kde's bug tracker for power devil doing it [00:24] i think it was something to do with hal changes that both g-p-m and power devil handled wrong? [00:24] stgraber: whats the problem? [00:27] anyone familiar with nscd? [00:29] * slangasek hisses [00:29] mrooney: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/306310 is the one i was thinking of [00:29] Ubuntu bug 306310 in acpi-support "Resume (from memory) goes back to sleep automatically" [Medium,Fix released] [00:32] 306310 is specifically about multiple events showing up on ThinkPads when a single key is pressed [00:32] kees: that was an affirmative 'hiss' [00:32] slangasek: ah! I thought in the negative. [00:32] I'm trying to sort out the apparmor abstraction for it [00:33] it seems that /var/cache/nscd/{passwd,group,services,host} r, [00:33] no, the affirmative answer to that question sounds like "ha-ha" [00:33] is desired [00:33] heh [00:56] doko: could you fix python-tcpwrap? I'm not sure I know distutils well enough to know what I'm supposed to do [01:00] hmm. some help please, i got a build-error for powerpc on package i updated, the buildlog says: libebook1.2-dev: Depends: libgnome2-dev but it is not going to be installed. Full log under: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24082853/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-powerpc.cheese_2.26.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz . is this a problem with my package or can i ignore this error? [01:01] Ampelbein: that usually means that there's a problem with the archive at the moment, not with your package [01:01] or rather with the relevant build-dependencies in the archive [01:02] Ampelbein: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/jaunty_probs.html shows that some things are in a bad way [01:02] Ampelbein: usually you can retry once the build-dependency no longer appears in the page above, which may happen naturally [01:02] cjwatson: ok, thanks. is the package automatically retried or should i inofrm my sponsor about this? [01:02] no, it's not automatically retried, although the buildd administrator may do a "mass give-back" (i.e. retry everything) [01:03] kees: sorry, was that the extent of the question? [01:03] your sponsor has a button to retry it, although should use it responsibly to avoid tying up buildd resources [01:03] slangasek: yeah, though I resolved it with a chroot. var/cache is desired (not /var/run) [01:03] mmk [01:05] cjwatson: then i wait for the package to disappear from the problem list and let my sponsor know. thanks for helping me. [01:05] not sure why it would be "r" though - perhaps things have changed since the last time I used nscd, but I didn't think anything accessed the cache directly aside from nscd, which would also need to write to it [01:07] Two identical Vaio notebooks. default Xubuntu installations. During boot one shows the usplash graphic the other goes blank until log-in. Where do I start looking for clues? I've already compared dmesg and kern.log line-by-line. [01:08] the grub config? [01:08] usplash being enabled by the 'splash' boot option [01:09] slangasek: nothing different there at all, that's the weirdness. Standard default installs. The issue is that one seems to fail to set a workable video mode. [01:09] siretart: around? [01:09] The new artwork that arrived for Xubuntu today is really nice :) [01:10] siretart: i think the screen-profiles package is in good shape now, for your ITP for Debian [01:11] Can someone from ubuntu-main-sponsors have a look at bug #345168 and sponsor if everything is ok? [01:12] Launchpad bug 345168 in nautilus-cd-burner "Please sponsor version 2.25.3 in jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345168 [01:15] I thought that was dropped in favor of brasero? [01:15] or am I just thinking of the right-click action? [01:17] mrooney: can you give me a hint where i can find the decision to drop it? desktop-mailing list? [01:19] Ampelbein: I am not a main sponsor, just an observer with a comment, you would know more than I, I suspect [01:19] Ampelbein: here is what I was thinking of: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyfive/Desktop#head-1200774a23d2266553d34d77a891d4d9a3b36ff0 , the last deprecation [01:20] mrooney: not really. i'm not that deep with ubuntu-development and (as my questions suggest) have to rely heavily on guidance/help by others. [01:20] mrooney: ok, but i think as long as we have nautilus-cd-burner in ubuntu we should ship the latest available version. [01:21] Ampelbein: yeah I suspect you are correct [01:21] hopefully someone here can help you [01:22] anyone know enough about sparc to tell me authoritatively how to fix http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24086899/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.debian-installer_20081029ubuntu26_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz? [01:34] doko: ditto cx-bsdiff, another --install-layout/--prefix conflict [01:39] cjwatson: is there a list of those anywhere yet that people can help go through? [01:39] doko: what's http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24087393/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.python-pysqlite1.1_1.1.8a-3ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz about? [01:39] ebroder: I posted to ubuntu-devel, but noted that I actively don't want help with it yet [01:39] well, except feel free to look at the FTBFS [01:40] reason is I'm taking some care over dependency ordering [01:41] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/lpia-rebuilds-20090319 [01:50] <\sh> guys, I just updated some packages for jaunty, and after that, xorg is freezing totally with weired graphics, and a total freeze of the system... [01:54] \sh: ati ? [01:54] <\sh> stgraber: yepp [01:54] <\sh> trying to find any hint on the error... [01:54] had that yesterday, installing fglrx and forcing it solved it for me though I saw a new -ati has been uploaded an hour or so ago [01:55] starting X from SSH it crashed on a libdri call IIRC [01:55] at least on my lappy it was only X that crashed taking the video card with it, ssh access to the laptop (had to install it from rescue mode) worked fine [01:56] fglrx diverts some libdri file. Try the free ati driver after removing fglrx if you have it installed. [01:57] <\sh> ion_: you mean complete remove everything which name sounds like fglrx... [01:58] dpkg -S libdri and remove the fglrx package it prints. [01:59] <\sh> ion_: ok..removed fglrx completly...only xserver-xorg-core remains with a hint on libdri [02:00] <\sh> giving it another try ,-) [02:00] <\sh> brb [02:01] emorning people [02:01] heya emgent [02:02] ;) [02:02] ion_: you can refer people to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver if they're having trouble going from -fglrx -> -ati [02:02] Thanks [02:03] stgraber: yea let me know what you think of the new -ati. Looks like it fixes a variety of bugs. Would be nice to know if we can close any in LP as a result. [02:03] ion_: yeah I've been trying to flesh out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting with pages for sorting out all the common classes of X errors people run into [02:04] bryce: sure, will try it. [02:09] question: what is the difference between the -dbg and the -dbgsym packages? for example libglib2.0-0-dbg and libglib2.0-0-dbgsym both exist. [02:13] Ampelbein: -dbg: explicitly produced by the source package build, may (or may not) be a separate build pass with significant extra debugging options turned on; -dbgsym: automatically generated from the normal build process by just saving off the debugging symbols to separate files [02:14] cjwatson: ah, ok. thanks again. [02:15] <\sh> re [02:16] <\sh> ion_: well, the trick with removing fglrx worked for ati..but when it's starting up into X, I lose now my whole usb stack [02:16] <\sh> while being in textmode(rescue mode now) usb input works fine [02:16] <\sh> tried 2.6.28-10 and 2.6.28-11 [02:16] <\sh> kernel wise [02:18] Anything interesting about hal in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [02:18] <\sh> lemme check [02:19] <\sh> config/hal: couldn't initialize context (((null)) ((null))) [02:19] <\sh> only hint about tha [02:19] <\sh> t [02:21] I’d begin by googling that error message. I haven’t encountered such problem myself. [02:23] I seem to remember pitti saying something about the keyring prompts for network manager going away in Jaunty. Was that going to happen? [02:25] <\sh> ion_: much better... [02:26] <\sh> ion_: Xorg can't find core input devices (keyboard and mouse), complains about hal to be the one who gives this information [02:28] <\sh> and it tells me to reconfigure HAL or to disable AllowEmptyInput [02:30] The message about being unable to locate core devices is normal. The one about being unable to initialize context is not. [02:31] <\sh> ion_: the only match for ubuntu bug #318129 ,-) [02:31] Ubuntu bug 318129 in xorg "xserver-xorg (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318129 [02:37] sh: I take it lshal works and there’s an entry for your keyboard with “input.x11_driver = 'evdev'” in its output? [02:41] <\sh> ion_: checking [02:44] <\sh> ion_: hmm..I'm in the rescue system...and /etc/init.d/dbus start works.../etc/init.d/hal start doesn't [02:48] <\sh> brb [02:51] cjwatson: i'll be uploading OOo in a few minutes, iirc it is on the list of lpia affected packages [02:51] <\sh> ok..hald is not running [02:52] <\sh> ./etc/init.d/hal start|restart doesn't give a sound... [03:07] <\sh> ok back in business [03:07] <\sh> thx ion_ [03:07] What was wrong with hal? [03:08] <\sh> ion_: wasn't installed correctly...whysoever [03:08] <\sh> --reinstall helped here [03:13] did the archive signing key change recently? [03:14] hello sherms [03:14] <\sh> maco: looks like got some key warnings, too [03:14] <\sh> from our de.a.u.c mirrors [03:15] im using the gb mirror since the mini iso decided thats where it's going to default [03:25] Heh, a hole in seccomp. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=5b1017404aea6d2e552e991b3fd814d839e9cd67 [03:41] Uploading openoffice.org_3.0.1-7ubuntu1 :-) [03:54] hey all [03:56] * stgraber uploads one more LTSP, should be the last :) [03:57] i'm currious on helping with the ubuntu development [03:58] seclm193: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate gives an overview, or is there something specifically you would like to know about? [03:58] not really, this is my first opensource project, and i'm really feel like a newbie all over :( [04:03] seclm193: good luck, if you have any questions feel free to ask here or in #ubuntu-motu [04:03] ok, thank you [04:52] kees: well neither of those are used on ubuntu, but maybe just add /var/cache [04:54] kees: oh you fixed it already :) [04:55] tjaalton: yeah, I went and installed nscd to figure out where it was keeping stuff. :) [04:55] I'd still like to debug why some apps fail to create new files on NFS when protected by apparmor [04:55] heh [04:56] yeah, NFS is a bit weird. I use NFS for my home directory and it gets... confused. [04:57] ouch really? [04:57] anything to be done for jaunty? [04:57] and I thought me with ecrypfs was unlucky enough [04:58] because it's quite serious in our usecase [04:58] slangasek, pitti: See what you think of (and ref'd linux-acpi thread) at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/commit/?id=7b3bfb3ec4bd9bd57d7276e792f144e8f79d19ce and let me know whether or not you'd like me to pull that patch (I'm skipping for now) [05:09] Keybuk: what do you think of this for /lib/init/bootclean.sh? http://pastebin.osuosl.org/24959 I had a giant /tmp and I had nothing in system start telling me what was taking so long... [05:09] jdong: noticed that you published some apparmor profiles.. I've got one for acroread and opera, which work fine on a local $HOME but not on NFS. the acroread one is here http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/usr.bin.acroread [05:09] tjaalton: awesomeness :) [05:09] jdong: so if you have such a setup, could you try it out? [05:09] to see it's not just our environment [05:10] tjaalton: I will forward that to bodhi_zazen who is hosting the place, and yeah I'll play with that on my mini which has acroread [05:10] tjaalton: so this breaks on NFS? [05:10] jdong: cool, thanks [05:10] jdong: yes, fails to start unless you've run it on complain mode first [05:10] tjaalton: neat [05:11] stracing reveals that it cannot create some file, when the profile does allow that [05:12] tjaalton: nothing interesting in the audit logs? [05:12] jdong: nothing that can be fixed :) [05:13] :) [05:14] you get: operation="inode_create" info="Failed nam [05:14] e resolution - object not a valid entry" error=-2 requested_mask="a::" denied_mask="a::" [05:16] yeesh [05:17] is it getting lazily unmounted via automounter/autofs? [05:17] jdong: looks like the acroread profile isn't complete, it'd like to poke ~/.fontconfig/ [05:17] sbeattie: no, in fstab [05:17] the server is a netapp [05:24] Hrm, curious. I can reproduce it locally if I umount -l the nfs mount, but that's not terribly surprising. [05:27] What is turning my active tab orange in an ugly fashion? [05:29] Ah, probably the new Murrine. [05:31] wgrant: :) [06:05] good morning [06:05] hello [06:06] moo [06:45] Does this mean the germans are awake [06:45] Or just dholbach [06:45] it's 0745 in CET now, so they should be waking up [06:45] YokoZar: funny you say that when didrocks turns up ;-) [06:50] so did something happen with the archive signing keys. a net install i was doing quit mid-way through saying the keys were bad [06:50] er, thats supposed to be a question [07:07] kirkland: it seems that the screen-profiles-extra package is empty for me. I cannot imagine that's intended, is it? [07:11] kirkland: and I really wonder where the installation commands for the screen-profiles-extras are. because there indeed seem to be profiles installed in the -extras package.. [07:16] bryce: hmm, I'm inclined to say we should omit that patch for jaunty because I'm not sure it won't have knock-on effects [07:17] siretart: I thought you just said it was empty? [07:17] slangasek: okie, I suspected so too [07:18] heya tseliot [07:18] soren: on my laptop, but obviously not in the ubuntu archive [07:18] soren: I wonder what I'm doing wrong [07:18] hey bryce [07:18] hi soren, btw :) [07:35] slangasek: about the CIFS timeout at shutdown, I already asked Steve French (CIFS) to comment on that bug. If you read his comments, he doesn't ack it as a bug in CIFS. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/211631/comments/84 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/211631/comments/91 [07:35] Ubuntu bug 211631 in wpasupplicant "Network is brought down before network filesystems are unmounted (CIFS timeout at shutdown)" [Medium,Confirmed] [07:37] ttx: ah; the fact that statfs has to query other bits would be a bug not specific to cifs, yes [07:37] also apparently it bugs with NFS as well, see bug 113095 [07:37] Launchpad bug 113095 in network-manager "nfs timeout on shutdown" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113095 [07:38] slangasek: or with openvpn, see bug 41794 [07:38] Launchpad bug 41794 in openvpn "VPN tunnel is closed before network drives are unmounted when shutting down" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41794 [07:38] ttx: IME, shutting down NFS mounts when the network is absent works just fine [07:39] if we're going to generalize to things like openvpn, I think an if-down.d script is the only way to do it === shtylman_ is now known as shtylman [07:41] slangasek: yes, I have to look into how NM interacts with ifdown.d scripts though, istr it changed. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:08] pitti, slangasek: any ideas why tk8.5 is not installable on some archs? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/2.6.1-1ubuntu3/+build/910158 [08:12] doko, its installable on ia64 ATM [08:12] * NCommander just tried it [08:20] NCommander: hmm, ok, requeued, seems to be installable now [08:20] doko, any other architectures you'd like me to test? [08:23] NCommander: no, requeued for now === thekorn is now known as thekorn_ === evand_ is now known as evand [09:12] Good morning [09:13] YokoZar: keyring prompts> the discussion died upstream, and it sort of fell through the cracks [09:14] doko: did the rebuild work? [09:19] pitti: still building, but it seems so [09:26] Is there a list of mentors for ubuntu for GSoC 2009? [09:30] maco: no, the Ubuntu archive key has never changed [09:30] calc: ok, I hadn't finished with its build-dependencies so hopefully it worked ;-) [09:31] calc: I'll check it once i386 is published so I have a basis for comparison [09:32] dennda: no, not yet [09:33] doko: Ok, thanks. [09:34] dennda: subscribe to the soc ML mentioned on the ideas page === sid0_ is now known as sid0 [10:00] kees: I think we should just make /tmp a tmpfs ;) [10:14] seb128: is there a gtk+2.0 upload in the works? it's next on my list for lpia shlibdep-fix rebuilds [10:15] cjwatson: no [10:16] ok, cool === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [10:18] cjwatson: when did the bug stopped? ie do you have the whole GNOME to reupload? [10:19] is tracker disabled/not installed by default in Jaunty? [10:19] PecisDarbs: the latter [10:20] pitti: design decision I suppose? [10:20] yes [10:21] allright [10:21] it's just too much of a resource hog by default, especially since many people don't use it at all [10:21] yes, I agree [10:21] it remains in main, though, so you are welcome to install and use it [10:21] I do already [10:21] it is very usable for my document mess :) [10:25] seb128: 11th to the 16th [10:25] seb128: [10:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/lpia-rebuilds-20090319 [10:25] seb128: so not all, but some - if you have anything there that you need to rebuild anyway, let me know [10:26] seb128: I'm not so worried about applications, but I want to get the misbuilt libraries the hell out of the archive quickly :-) [10:26] asac: speaking of which, network-manager was one of the ones misbuilt on lpia. Are you planning an upload for it soonish? (not quite yet though) [10:27] cjwatson: do we need a respin for lpia? if so i will upload something tomorrow [10:27] or even later today [10:27] cjwatson: well, we will get GNOME 2.26.1 before jaunty, not sure how much you are in a hurry to fix everything [10:27] cjwatson: I don't plan to rebuild a lot now before beta though [10:28] cjwatson: just tell me when we are ready to rebuild [10:28] wow, reading -changes@, lots of goodness went in yesterday \o/ [10:29] seb128: misbuilt libraries scare me, so any misbuilt libraries I want to fix ASAP [10:29] cjwatson: I will upload rhythmbox now so you can cross it on your list, dunno if you keep count of everything [10:29] seb128: (${shlibs:Depends} was expanded to nothing, so it's entirely possible that configure could misdetect things from dependencies) [10:29] seb128: I'm keeping count, can you push it to a bit later today though? [10:29] seb128: it would be nice for the fixed gtk to build first [10:30] cjwatson: it's a new version and I want it in before the freeze which should be in 30 minutes from what slangasek said yesterday ;-) [10:30] ok, maybe I'll score it down [10:30] well I guess slangasek will not be up before some hours [10:30] I will upload after lunch [10:30] not sure I'll be able to do that before it starts building [10:32] we really need bin-NMU support in soyuz [10:35] cjwatson: since you did a nice mini-rebuild-test, was there any FTBFS fallout you need help with? [10:35] pitti: flagged as FTBFS in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/lpia-rebuilds-20090319 [10:36] two due to distutils --install-layout and --prefix no longer being compatible, and one other python one that I don't understand [10:39] ok, thanks; none of these seem urgent to me right now; I keep the page open, and can help out with those during the beta freeze [10:54] pitti, within the next 30 min. or so you'll get a new notify-osd release (0.9.6) [10:55] phew, gtk built in time for this publisher run anyway [10:55] [on lpia] [10:55] did we just get new backgrounds? [10:56] openldap might not make it though [10:58] hum, shouldn't the failsafe-mode be password protected if root password is set? [11:00] MacSlow: understood [11:02] pitti: did you look at the merge request from ted for the message-packaging and evolution-indicator yet? [11:02] seb128: no, I can do that now [11:02] seb128: hm, just rebooted after dist-upgrade, and now the ssh agent seems broken [11:02] which package/script is responsible for the recovery menu? [11:02] pitti: thanks! I'm slightly busy with other things but I can do notify-osd after lunch in exchange ;-) [11:03] tjaalton: friendly-recovery [11:03] pitti: gnome-keyring didn't change since monday, did you reboot since? [11:03] pitti: thanks [11:03] seb128: that's fine, I can do them, too [11:03] seb128: rebooting every day [11:03] seb128: I just did a suspend/resume, for testing whether the X hang is fixed with the new -intel driver [11:03] pitti: dunno then, maybe the agent crashed? [11:03] /usr/bin/ssh-agent is running [11:03] pitti: isn't it a toolchain problem? [11:04] what about gnome-keyring-daemon? [11:04] seb128: ah, that's it [11:04] seb128: I think I crashed it when setting up my 3G connection [11:04] pitti: ok, get me a stracktrace making sure there is no dump of your ssh key ;-) [11:04] will figure this out later [11:04] ok [11:07] asac: is network-manager intended to tear down my 3G connection when I just log out and back in? [11:07] (i. e. nm-applet restarts) [11:10] pitti: unless you use a system connection yes. [11:10] asac: ah, if I tag it "make available for all users", it won't? [11:10] user connections die when applet (or user settings seervice to be exact) goes away [11:10] pitti: yes. thats the idea [11:12] asac: ah, thanks [11:12] asac: I did that now; It tore down the connection again, but I'll see how it behaves now :) [11:12] asac: where does it store system-wide connections, btw? (I saw policykit coming up) [11:13] pitti: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ [11:13] its a glib keyfile for each connection [11:14] ah, I see; thanks! [11:14] pitti: do you hav eissues with the prober? [11:14] pitti: like you see two or three modem entries? [11:14] or re-plugging the device will leave a zombie device in your applet? [11:14] asac: I see two after suspend/resume, or after pulling it out and plugging it in [11:15] but that was like that in intrepid as well === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [11:16] pitti: did you have the duplication for replugging in intrepid or only for resume? [11:16] asac: also for replugging, I think [11:16] asac: it also times out a lot for me now [11:16] I repeatedly had to delete the connection, shut down nm/hal/nm-applet, replug, start up everything again and then enter the pin [11:16] pitti: is that when you have duplicated devices? [11:16] I'll file a more detailled bug later [11:17] ok thanks [11:17] today is beta rush [11:17] true [11:17] asac: I didn't do a lot of debugging right now, I just wanted to get online (main internet is still broken) [11:18] pitti: thats ok ;) [11:18] * pitti hugs asac [11:18] just wanted a confirm that you see it [11:18] * asac hugs pitti [11:21] * ogra wonders why the gksu window is so dark under compiz ... feels totally out of theme [11:22] MacSlow, ^^^ is that on purpose ? [11:22] ogra: I feel the same about the new session termination dialogs. [11:23] They seem to be the same style - it's not used outside there and gksu, AFAICT. [11:23] hmm, i didnt keep them long enough in my face yet [11:23] just clicked through quickly ... [11:23] but you are right [11:23] looks odd [11:24] like the brushed metal theme [11:24] Yes. Somebody brought these strange translucent dialogs out of nowhere. [11:24] I thought it was a Windows thing to make applications disregard the system widget libraries. [11:26] apple is worst for it ime [11:26] ogra, yes and no ... you're running under compiz (or metacity+compositor), right? [11:26] well, i'm fine with the widget look, its just the color that totally doesnt fit the rest of the theming [11:26] MacSlow, compiz since yesterday again [11:26] my X crashed to often to actually use compiz, i'm just giving it a try again [11:27] under metacity without composite it did fir the theme [11:27] *fit [11:27] ogra, there the drop-shadow of the window shows through ... I've not been able to update the patch against libgksu to use the better shadow-rendering I now use in notify-osd [11:27] ah [11:27] Can we convince Nautilus to not fade the desktop background? [11:27] ok, understood ... how about making them rounded but non-transparent ? [11:28] ogra, it should look like the notify-osd bubble (but using the theme-bg color) [11:29] (on transparent seems easier than hacking out the shadow) [11:29] i just did an update and for the shortest time i had 60 second timeout boxes on my logout, restart and shutdown buttons on the userswitcher [11:29] ogra, I like that ... for these kinds of "windows" [11:29] and now they have gone away again ... but i still have the ... at the end of the names [11:29] i assume i should have them always, if so what bit is broken [11:30] MacSlow, well, they are modal to the whole desktop anyway ... [11:30] apw: I updated 15 minutes ago and it still works for me. [11:31] hrm, i have never had them on any of my installs (3) and on one of the two i did today [11:31] they appeared and confused me [11:31] then i saw that the ...'s have appears on the two i have upgraded [11:31] but now the box has gone away again [11:31] i just get instant off [11:32] Hmmm. [11:32] which bit is respnosible for that, there are soooo many components [11:32] oh hrm, i now have one on logout, but not restart [11:32] this thing is taking drugs when i am out [11:34] * amitk wonders why his Jaunty fonts become bigger when he right-clicks his way to "Change desktop background" [11:35] amitk: g-s-d starts up? [11:36] yes [11:37] Mithrandir: restarting X gets it back to being smaller again. [11:37] 96 dpi...hmm [11:37] do you have g-s-d running at session start? [11:41] seb128: I think so -> [11:41] amit 4285 0.3 0.2 29428 9180 ? Ssl 13:39 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon [11:41] dunno then [11:44] cjwatson: ok, I've gdm and rhythmbox updates waiting let me know when I can upload [11:50] grrr [11:51] seb128, after each upgrade the indicator applet comes back in my panel even though i deliberately removed it [11:51] ogra: why do you remove it? ;-) [11:52] because i started using my own mail notification again after the one we have is so broken [11:52] so i dont want that constant mail icon that forces me to use a submenu to open evo if there is new mail [11:52] ogra: gconftool-2 --get /apps/panel/need_add_indicator_applet [11:52] * wgrant points out that indicator-applet's button outline isn't visible at all in New Wave. [11:53] seb128, its off [11:53] DOH [11:53] but i just remved the applet [11:53] not sure what it was when i started the session [11:53] mvo: you don't use the gconf key in your migration code, you only set it but don't read it before [11:54] ogra: obviously bug, I will sort that with mvo when he's back from lunch [11:54] oki [11:54] * ogra would just prefer the mail notification to work right ... [11:54] what do you expect from it? [11:54] it took so many years for the builtin evo one to DTRT [11:54] to work like the one thats in evo now [11:54] which means? [11:55] I dislike the flashing icon [11:55] only show an icon if there is new mail [11:55] the message indicator is not evolution specific [11:55] else i would use the mail-notification applet [11:55] it lists pidgin too [11:55] and other softwares which will use it later [11:55] i dont use pidgin [11:55] you have an IRC client right? [11:55] i liked the evo icon before, i agree the flashing could have been opmitted [11:56] whenever it start using it you will get the IRC pings listed in the indicator [11:56] xchat [11:56] what annoys me most about the evo icon is that it enforces that silly submenu [11:56] and only duplicated the taskbar [11:56] seb128: the xdg startup deskto pfile thing reads it [11:56] mvo: oh right! [11:57] doh, I'm stupid, I even made sure it worked for me yesterday, him [11:57] hum [11:57] ogra: do you use gnome-session? [11:57] seb128, what else should i use, indeed [11:57] ogra: dunno if you are on some special mobile or arm config [11:58] no, its my laptop [11:58] grep GNOME /etc/xdg/autostart/indicator-applet.desktop? === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [11:58] ogra@osiris:~$ grep GNOME /etc/xdg/autostart/indicator-applet.desktop [11:58] OnlyShowIn=GNOME; [11:58]