[00:27] say, anyone familiar with nscd? [00:29] bosco_: ec2 [00:33] Bah. Does anyone know what encryption is used by pine/alpine when -passfile option is used? [00:38] It's something feeble and reversible... considered dangerous except on single user machines... don't use it :) [00:49] genii: Look at pine/imap.c for the function xlate_out to see what they do to "decrypt" a password from that file. [00:50] jmarsden: Was hoping I wouldn't have to poke around in it's source code just yet but it looks like this might be neccesary, unfortunately... [00:51] Yes, it's a homebrew "encryption", so if you really need to undo it, you'll want to read that code. [00:51] jmarsden: Thanks [01:02] <{bosco}> www.serverpronto.com what is wrong with them [01:02] * genii wades through reams of macos_store_pass references [01:03] <{bosco}> @lart {bosco} [01:04] <{bosco}> @lert {bosco} [01:06] <{bosco}> www.serverpronto.com what is wrong with them [01:06] <{bosco}> srry did not mean to push enter twice [01:07] having issues with openpanel any other programs like that, that you recommend guys? [01:08] {bosco}: what does serverpronto have to do with Ubuntu server? I'd guess they are a low cost hosting place with the usual low prices and low support? [01:09] bromic94: The official recommended control panel for Ubuntu Server is ebox [01:09] <{bosco}> jmarsden, becuase you can run ubuntu on there deticated servers and i was thinking about going with them since i can run ubuntu [01:10] You can run it pretty much anywhere... the question is how good is their support when things break, and how good they are at preventing things from breaking in the first place... [01:10] ...which are not really questions for #ubuntu-server, I think. [01:11] Which was my original point :) [01:11] jmarsden: my boss had a look at ebox and he said it was just as flaky and horrible as all the other web admin tools [01:11] So he's now writing a better one, right? :) [01:12] jmarsden: I'd rather just give my customers (who are not very technical) a VNC connection and run gnome-system-tools. [01:12] (I'd tunnel X, but they are often using Windows desktops with an Ubuntu server.) [01:12] thank jmarsden i will try out ebox [01:12] not a huge fan but oh well [01:12] i can try it again [01:12] u have to add the modules in right? [01:13] jmarsden: do you have an opinion on that approach? (I haven't actually tried it yet, currently we are still using webmin with CentOS) [01:13] A tweaked webmin is what I am used to doing too... [01:13] webmin needs to die, no question about that. [01:13] what u use now [01:14] lol twb [01:14] Run lintian on the third-party webmin debs, and you'll see what I mean [01:14] jmarsden: what do you use now webmin or ebox [01:14] you ahev to install different modules though in ebox right? [01:15] webmin. But it is officially a bad idea to use webmin on Ubuntu these days... [01:16] why [01:18] The way it manages some config files is incompatible with Ubuntu packaging and updates, I think is the official reason... basically you can't use it and not know exactly what it is doing... so it doesn't really work as an "easy" way to admin a box for newcomers. You can get yourself into trouble with it. [01:18] ebox u have to add different modules right/ [01:18] Have to? I think it depends what you want it to do. Try it :) [01:21] i emulated my server in vmware and installed ubuntu 8.10 server on the 'virtual machine' in vmware where the harddisk was the physical server's main hard drive.. it is a hp mediasmart ex475 and i really want to get web hosting and backup working on it... [01:21] it dosent seem to have internet [01:22] i removed stuff from openpanel and i think it just scrwed my sever [01:22] luckily its a VM [01:22] racecar56: so your server has no internet?> [01:22] bromic94 it seems not [01:22] hmm [01:22] what do you get when you get ifconfig [01:22] *when u run ifconfig [01:22] its a headless erver >_> [01:22] *server [01:22] with no video card [01:22] ? [01:22] oh ok [01:22] why no video card [01:22] can you ssh into it? [01:23] well if it has no internet... no [01:23] jmarsden: i guess it killed my ssl as well [01:23] if you are on the same network it might be able to get on [01:23] racecar56: How did you get vmware onto it with no screen and keyboard and no network connection? Serial console connection?? [01:23] when you say internet i think u have access to ur intranet but not internet [01:24] jmarsden helooooooooooo its on my desktop pc [01:24] vmware's not part of ubuntu, so you shouldn't expect it to work [01:24] you dont understand [01:24] Then you don't really have a headless server... and your issue is with vmware. [01:24] you have 0% idea of what i mean [01:24] racecar56: plonk. [01:25] i said i mounted my vm's hard drive to the REAL one... [01:26] it is _NOT_ vmware's fault, when i run the _REAL_ server on the previously-vmware'd hard disk it dosen't have internet [01:26] twb see my message [01:26] the network adapater sounds like its not set up correct in vmware [01:26] i hate vmware [01:26] really raelly do [01:26] i use virutal box [01:26] its better [01:26] its NOT running in vmware [01:26] in my opiion [01:26] i like vbox too but it cant mount real ard disks [01:26] *hard [01:27] and i even use vbox [01:27] why cant it? [01:27] kvm is the officially santctioned virtualization technology for Ubuntu. [01:27] never heard of KVM [01:27] will have to check it out [01:27] i have and it sucks... it only interferes [01:27] Is there a way to open PDF file in the CLI ? [01:27] was that to me or twb ? [01:27] kvm is also the only virtualization technology included in the default Linux kernel. [01:27] well anyway how the heck do i get the stupid internet working [01:28] bromic94: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM [01:28] Stargazer: yes: pdftotext, or by rasterizing each page and displaying it using a framebuffer image viewer. [01:28] I like the sound of pdftotext. [01:28] it works when i run the server in vmware but if i put the server's hd into the server it seems like it boots but dosent have internet [01:28] Stargazer: it is lossy in most circumstances. [01:28] But i just realized there are no tabs in CLI mode. [01:29] jmarsden: you run kvm in linux [01:29] you see: i want to be able to ssh the server and that's all [01:29] ok [01:29] bromic94: I use Virtualbox because my CPU isn't beefy enough for KVM, on my desktop here... [01:29] Twb: do you know if pdftotext keep italics ? [01:29] i think i am going to put ubuntu desktop 8.04 on my other laptop any words of wisdom or any drivers i may not be able to get it is like 2-3 years old' [01:29] *2-4yrs old [01:29] Stargazer: it does not; it emits a plain text file. [01:29] jmarsden: where "beefy" means "has VT extensions"? [01:29] oh and did i forget to mention i had to go through a bunch of crazyness before too [01:30] i really would like the server for backup/web hosting [01:30] * Stargazer curses [01:30] twb: Yes. I have an E5200 here, an E8400 would have meant an exra $100 or so, a significant percentage of the total system cost :) [01:30] jmarsden: bummer. [01:31] Is there any way to get tabs or seperate instances(that can be switched to) in CLI mode ? [01:31] Stargazer: try using screen [01:31] What ? [01:31] Stargazer: GNU Screen provides multiplexing facilities, including an optional "taskbar" of open windows. [01:31] And the package is called..? [01:31] Stargazer: the package called screen. As in sudo apt-get install screen # and then man screen [01:31] Stargazer: "screen" [01:32] Stargazer: see also /join #screen [01:33] soo... what should i try doing? i have an ip scanner and i scanned for hosts between ip 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.100 and then i did 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150 and it returns nothing but some other networked computers...... [01:33] and 'screen-profiles' for extra fun ;) [01:34] JanC: that's a package? Yeesh. [01:34] it dosent exist for me [01:34] it's in jaunty [01:34] doh [01:34] im on intrepid [01:34] * twb is afraid. Very afraid. [01:34] both on my server and desktop [01:35] and even my (old) laptop [01:35] JanC: if stuff like screeen is easy to learn, how will I justify the extra zero on my "senior admin" paycheck? [01:36] twb: you write your own custom -profiles including an ASCII-art company logo? [01:36] * racecar56 waits [01:36] racecar56: Plug a screen and keyboard into the physical server hardware machine and troubleshoot its networking that way. [01:37] jmarsden "it has no video card" [01:37] as i said before [01:38] OK, use a serial cable and set it up for serial console and then troubleshoot its networking from that. [01:38] whaat? [01:38] jmarsden: There's always PLIP... [01:38] racecar56: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto [01:38] JanC: it looks to me that all that provides is some wanky colours in the hardstatus line [01:39] It's not. [01:39] It's detailed in blog posts, you can find out what it does if you desire. [01:40] hads: well, I was looking at the source package. [01:40] hads: reading blogs is too complicated [01:40] twb: plus a menu, plus some scripts for statuses ("new updates" & "you should reboot") [01:40] JanC: ah, using backticks? [01:40] it sayd it assumes that i have enabled the serial console in your BIOS... server's? if so then scratch that [01:41] racecar56: Let me guess... your server has no serial port either?? [01:41] twb: I didn't look at it in detail, it's mostly kirkland's project AFAIK [01:41] jmarsden probably not... what does it look like? [01:42] Serial port. DB9 connector. Serial, like RS232 serial... wow... I must be getting old... [01:42] JanC: I started approaching the problem (discoverability in screen) from the approach of writing a "Screen Hacks" textbook, but I only managed a couple of chapters before I got distracted. [01:42] JanC: what's up? [01:42] i know it has this: usb ports (many), a lock thingy, ethernet adapter, esata, power (durrrrr........) and thats it [01:43] kirkland: twb asked how the status symbols in the ubuntu screen-profile work [01:43] racecar56: So this is new-ish hardware.. but has no video card and no way to add one?? What sort of "server" is this beast?? [01:44] JanC: ah, thanks for the plug [01:44] jmarsden it's a hp mediasmart ex475 and i got it from last december... it came with winblows 2008 but i wiped it [01:45] I think there's a bit more there than "wanky colors in the hardstatus line" [01:45] jmasrden some people say there is a possibility of a video card, but it's *H*A*R*D* to do [01:45] (for me) [01:45] kirkland: Indeed [01:46] yea my server is not foobared [01:46] So, um, how do i take a screenshot in CLI mode ? [01:47] And save it to a SD Card ? [01:49] racecar56: Sounds like you are in the realm of playing with a NAS box that isn't really designed for Linux/*nix use... until you have some way ot getting console access you're giong to find it hard to get anything at all working on it. If there is a modding community working with that hardware, check their web site/wiki/whatever for how far they have got, I suppose. [01:49] Stargazer: you can use script to save everything in a session to a file, and then you could just copy that file to an SD card or whereever else you need it? [01:50] No picture ? [01:50] jmarsden there is a website called www.mediasmartserver.net but my account is hacked up (cant login, but i didnt get banned, nor does it say so) [01:50] Picture? in text mode?? [01:50] racecar56: Open a new account, or email the sysadmin. [01:50] doh.... [01:51] jmarsden http://samuel.thollander.net/projects/linux-on-hp-ex470 is proof [01:51] jmarsden the model is a bit different but ex475 is just a bit better :> [01:52] racecar56: Did you read his article? He says he hasn't got networking working yet...! [01:52] jmarsden ahhhhhhhh................... [01:52] DOH! [01:52] He added an external USb NIC instead of using the onboard one... [01:53] not good [01:53] i guess ill have to get a external network card O_o [01:53] Well, external USB NICs are pretty cheap... [01:54] holy cow 3 dolars [01:54] jmarsden: you can even play movies in text mode ;) [01:55] What is the LDAP server? [01:55] JanC: I'll pass on that wonderful opportunity :) [01:55] I am installing eBox and I am asked to enter a hostname [01:57] looking for some postfix help if someone has some time [01:57] Deevz: installing ebox should be as easy as sudo apt-get install ebox # plus any ebox-* modules you want to use [01:58] postfix[4993]: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory [01:58] hmmm... well this is what I get [01:58] http://www.jetScreenshot.com/demo/20090318-171-65kb.jpg [01:58] Stargazer: when you are using 'screen' you can make a "hardcopy" of the text modus screen [01:58] aaaaaaa visa [01:58] *vista === Ubun00b is now known as Big_Ham [01:58] JanC: ho ? [01:59] any idea what that screen is? [01:59] How* [01:59] my main.cf is there, but empty ... not sure how it became empty, but help filling in necessary values would be appreciated [02:00] Deevz: You are configuring ldap-auth-config, not ebox... [02:00] Big_Ham: Probably easiest to uninstall and reinstall postfix? [02:01] hey jmarsden i found a LUCKY one... ill get it [02:01] jmarsden a usb network card.. [02:01] cant uninstall without uninstalling MYSQL [02:01] and Apache and MySQL work fine [02:01] And what is that, jmarsden? [02:01] Big_Ham: Why not? [02:02] just what I read online [02:02] Deevz: It is a package designed so you can authenticate users against an LDAP server... [02:03] Big_Ham: Makes no sense to me... let me try it here (Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid x64)... [02:03] ditto on Ubuntu version, but x86 [02:03] FYI [02:05] thank God for the IRC ... by the by [02:05] Big_Ham: Seems to work for me leaving mysql-server and mysql-client alone... [02:06] what command did you use? apt-get remove? [02:06] sudo apt-get remove postfix [02:06] "God" ? thank the guys who sat on their butts for 24h/d for weeks on end creating person-to-person chatting and then someone else coming along and exploding it from person-to-person to an entire room. [02:07] spoken like a true programmer [02:07] successfully removed, and you appear to be right, jmarsden [02:08] Good :) [02:08] reinstalling [02:08] when running newaliases, I get multiple warnings [02:09] but at least this time I get "relay access denied" from mail client [02:09] that's a better message [02:09] Can you pastebin the warnings somewhere and provide us a link? [02:09] not familiar with pastebin ... but I can take a screeny and get it up [02:10] Big_Ham: if you insist... but go to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and cut and paste your text into there... [02:11] nice tip [02:11] it's up [02:11] under Big_Ham [02:11] Give us the URL to it so we can find it, please? [02:11] You have to sort of let us know the url... [02:11] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/133363/ [02:11] sort of huh? [02:11] can you tell I'm new to pastebin/Ubuntu? [02:11] :) [02:12] <--- Windows admin turning Ubuntu Admin [02:12] someone had a pastebin 133337! [02:12] Thats nice big_ham [02:12] OK, so basically there is a problem in your /etc/aliases file, so pastebin that and provide the URL for *that* one too. [02:12] :) [02:12] <--- Windows non-admin nub turning Ubuntu Admin [02:12] rofl [02:12] lol [02:13] Deevz: Did you get past the unwanted ldap-auth stuff? [02:13] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/133365/ [02:13] To be honest, I wrote just anything [02:13] I guess it is the url I will enter in my browser to log in to the web console [02:14] but its just a wild guess [02:14] Big_Ham: Woah, that's not an /etc/aliases file, that is a /etc/postfix/main.cf file! [02:14] Did you accidentally mv your main.cf to /etc/aliases or something?? [02:14] i don't know how I could have [02:14] to be honest [02:15] i just uninstalled and reinstalled to boot [02:16] if I delete aliases, will it recreate? [02:16] what is the command to shut down the computer? [02:16] ok nm me [02:16] its shutdown rofl [02:16] is this quiz for me, Deevz? [02:16] Big_Ham: Replace it with the contents of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/133366/ [02:17] Deevz: telinit 0 works too [02:17] Deevz: sudo shutdown -h now # would be conventional on Ubuntu... [02:17] ok thx [02:17] hmmm [02:18] I typed man shutdown and I am stuck at the end of the page [02:18] cant enter a command [02:18] Deevz: hit q for quit [02:18] ok, done jmarsden [02:18] oh thx [02:18] didnt know how that pager works [02:18] Big_Ham: OK, now run sudo newaliases [02:19] seems to have run [02:19] Deevz: When you have time try man less and man more for info on those two pagers [02:19] no error anyway [02:19] Big_Ham: Then you should be all set. [02:19] where can I find relay access settings? [02:19] thx j [02:19] and ... thanks for the help with that one jmarsden [02:21] /etc/postfix/main.cf # but they are not really there in the default one... [02:21] jmarsden, which pager is on by default? "more" or "less"? [02:21] or are they rly the same pager [02:21] my main.cf is empty there [02:21] Deevz: They're not the same. less is better [02:21] interesting ... [02:22] less is more bloated [02:22] Deevz: They are different... less is the one to learn and the one most commonly used these days. [02:22] twb: You can't go backwards in more [02:22] The "default" depends on what /etc/alternatives/pager links to, and to the logic in sensible-pager. [02:22] genii: I'm aware of that. [02:23] there is also 'most' is you can't choose between more or less [02:23] JanC: and w3m [02:23] LOL [02:23] the ubuntu developers sure know the names [02:23] Deevz: these utilities existed for decades before Ubuntu existed. [02:23] I see [02:24] Big_Ham: main.cf is empty?? That's... not what I would expect. Look in /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a very complete and commented one. [02:24] how should I be able to access my ebox interface now? [02:24] I didnt specify an url to access it [02:25] and I cant just type the ip of the web server since its a virtual machine on virtualbox... [02:25] http://your.ip.address/ebox # I think? [02:26] Why can't you type the IP of that virtual machine's network interface? [02:26] because I dont know it [02:26] let me check if I can find [02:26] BTW if you are a beginner why are you using Virtualbox... ???? [02:26] what else to use? [02:26] Real hardware? [02:26] Well, I have my desktop [02:27] Virtualization adds complexity. [02:27] Its powerful enough to run virtual machines [02:27] checking it out ... is any of this uncommented or do I need to go through the whole file? [02:27] and beside that, I have my eee pc... [02:28] I think virtualization is a good option, I have the power, the screen real estate to run it, and it doesnt require me to have 2 sets of hardware [02:28] Deevz: Do you need the virtualization, the separation of roles, for something? [02:29] Not rly [02:29] My physical machine is the client and I have a virtual server on it [02:29] thats how it is atm [02:29] So why not just run ebox on the main machine?? [02:30] Where is the benefit? [02:30] you mean install ubuntuserv on my desktop? [02:30] if you really need Ubuntu Server... but why not just install ebox on your desktop, which runs Ubuntu Desktop...? [02:31] hahaha [02:31] because it doesnt [02:31] I come from windows [02:32] Why not learn Ubuntu Desktop first (by running it on your desktop machine) and then learn about server admin things later, when you are comfortable with Ubuntu in general? [02:34] If you already have VirtualBox-OSE all happy and working, and you fully unerstand its networking stuff, then fine, no real problem, I uppose... [02:34] But if not, it is one more piece of complexity... [02:35] In apparence, virtualbox doesnt seem so complex... [02:36] Then... how come you don't know what IP you assigned to the VM running Ubuntu? :) Virtual machines *are* complex things... [02:36] hmmm [02:36] maybe I should pick up a vbox book then [02:37] nm, no such thing on amazon >.< [02:37] If you had installed on a real space PC you would have typed in a static IP address and so forth at Ubuntu server install time, and you'd *know* what its IP was from that... now... I have no idea what you did... [02:37] s/space/spare/ [02:37] Anyway, for now I'm going AFK to eat, probably back a little later... [02:37] ok [02:37] cya, thx for the help [02:41] How do i mount my SD card ? (i thought it was being auto-mounted but the message stuck for several minutes so i ^C to close) any idea ? [02:41] Ideas* [02:43] OK jmarsden, one more very specific postfix question ... I need to know how to create authentication by mail password only, and not by ipaddress, network, etc [03:02] how may i change de screen resolution in server? [03:04] Big_Ham: Will the users with passwords be doing POP3 or IMAP to your server to pick up received email also? Or will they have Unix shell accounts on it? [03:05] Andre_Gondim: Ubuntu Server has no GUI, only a text console... so there is really no concept of "screen resolution" to change... [03:08] jmarsden: there is if you use a framebuffer. [03:08] jmarseden they will have shell accounts, and I have dovecot ... they will use POP3 [03:09] also have squirrelmail installed [03:09] OK, so you can use saslauthd to authenticate them to postfix. I've not done that under Ubuntu but I'm pretty sure that's the way to go... [03:09] jmarsden: but I have a 17' monitor, how can i use with "full screen" [03:09] did you mean sslauthd? [03:10] No, SASL is the protocol concerned... let me check how to get that in Ubuntu... [03:10] nevermind ... [03:10] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26339 [03:11] is that a good reference? [03:12] looks like I need postfix-tls first [03:12] It's a bit old, and I think the chroot stuff is not the same in Intrepid, but otherwise yes. postfix-tls is definitely the place to start. [03:12] thank god for webmin [03:13] Andre_Gondim: I don't understand... the text console will occupy all of the screen no matter the size of your monitor. Unless you are running Ubuntu Server virtualized or something?? [03:15] New bug: #345219 in php5 (main) "8.04 server ppc - apache2 server fails after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345219 [03:16] jmarsden just bought the external nic... [03:16] :> hope it works now [03:16] jmarsden, are you on during the day at all? [03:17] Not usually, but it has been known to happen... evenings (Pacific Time) are more usual. [03:17] Andre_Gondim: if you want a higher resolution text display, you'll want to add something like "vga=0x31a" (1280x1024 16bit color) to the kernel line in your grub menu.lst. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers for some commonly available resolutions. [03:17] ahhh [03:17] well, I'm in Tampa, so I'm picking up with this one tomorrow [03:17] thanks for the tips tonight [03:17] No problem. Goodnight. [03:21] Stargazer: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/floppy # or whatever device name and directory you need rather than sda1 and floppy [03:36] racecar56: See http://mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1290 for a guy selling custom cables so you can hook up a keyboard, mouse and screen to your server :) [03:37] :DDDDD [03:37] jmarsden i saw that page too [03:38] is there way to login into server when you have accidently blocked ssh port with firewall? [03:39] Mal3ko: Use the physical keyboard and screen on the server to log in? [03:39] aside from that? [03:40] cause its a remote server at datacenter [03:40] Call the datacenter NOC and have them sort it out for you. [03:40] If there *were* a way to get past your firewall, it wouldn't be a very good firewall :) [03:41] lol.. [03:43] it was a stupid mistake..after i logged out only then i realized that i had enabled ufw without adding the ssh port to the allowed port first.. [03:46] Mal3ko: Yes, it's advisable to keep multiple ssh sessions open when changing firewall settings... this is something you only ever learn the hard way, it seems... it's just that I firewalled myself out about 15 years ago or so... [03:54] Multiple SSH sessions aren't going to do a lot if you block yourself [04:12] hads: It depends what you do... if you reload the config and have "related" stuff allowed through existing sessions stay open. Then you test by starting a new session, and if if fails you fix things using the earlier (still) open session. I've done it several times. Not with ufw, but with iptables and ipchains rulesets. [04:42] I want to correlate a datapoint. Does anyone have a server doing software RAID1, which they installed via the Ubuntu Server CD? [04:42] I want to know what d-i places in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf. [04:43] Specifically, does it just have an ARRAY entry for each device, or does it use some smarter form of autodetection? [04:43] On a couple of machines I've created md RAID1 arrays after the base install (because I had to), and they are not automatically raised at boot time. [04:44] heya guys anyone expert with KVM that can help me with cloning issues? [05:44] well i gotta go... bye everyone [06:03] is mod perl the same as perl [06:04] No [06:05] do you know what packages i need to install for perl to run [06:05] perl [06:05] i found some tutorials but they all say mod perl [06:06] and for php5? [06:06] So, you're talking about a web server. [06:06] yepp [06:06] It's best to specify things when asking questions. [06:07] apt-cache search libapache2-mod [06:09] that's perl? [06:11] i see [06:14] sorry, is libapache2-mod-perl2 mod perl or perl then.. [06:15] it's the perl module library for Apache; "mod perl" is a shorthand way of saying that [07:58] Hello everyone [07:59] I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 server (x64) and I'm getting EDAC MC0 errors about once every second. This makes it nearly impossible to type in complex commands. Is there a way to disable these notifications? [08:02] Fishscene: probably. maybe /etc/syslog.conf could help with that [08:02] I'll attempt to look at it. [08:04] Uneditable. The errors display over the syslog.conf editor (nano). [08:05] how about rmmod edacsomething [08:06] Actually, I found those errors don't display if I SSH into the server. [08:07] Fishscene: do they display in every virtual console? [08:07] jtaji, on the server console, yes. But not in an SSH remote session. [08:08] Fishscene: I mean have you tried switching to other consoles, ALT+1 through 6 [08:09]