| joe-chat | Hi is anyone out there? | 00:22 |
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| joe-chat | I am new to Ubuntu and am looking for installation help. I don't know if this is the correct chat room. | 00:22 |
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| newz2000 | mdke: around? re: search on help.ubuntu.com | 20:25 |
| newz2000 | I wonder if we could just re-use the search engine on search.ubuntu.com. I set up a filter so that a person can limit their search results to just documentation. | 20:26 |
| newz2000 | Hi thorwil | 20:26 |
| thorwil | hi newz2000 | 20:27 |
| newz2000 | I have some feedback for you | 20:27 |
| newz2000 | do you have a min? | 20:27 |
| thorwil | i'll brb, then i will | 20:27 |
| newz2000 | ok | 20:28 |
| thorwil | newz2000: back | 20:32 |
| newz2000 | hey thorwil | 20:33 |
| newz2000 | funny story for you... | 20:33 |
| newz2000 | so you know how sometimes you give a person two pieces of art to consider and you're sure they're going to pick A because its' the obvious choice but instead they pick B? | 20:33 |
| newz2000 | Well, regarding the countdown banner we want the one with the coloured logo. :-) | 20:34 |
| thorwil | some designers use tricks like less nice backgrounds to make things like that less likely :) | 20:34 |
| newz2000 | sorry | 20:34 |
| newz2000 | They're asking for the logo text to be white | 20:34 |
| thorwil | who's they? | 20:35 |
| newz2000 | I've not seen the artwork in question but I guess this is going to make it very harmonious with the cd covers | 20:35 |
| newz2000 | sorry, I went to Julian, design lead, and Kat, corporate identity | 20:35 |
| newz2000 | They have to sign off on anything that is deemed "official" | 20:35 |
| newz2000 | They both liked your work | 20:36 |
| thorwil | i ask because i wondered if it could be escalated | 20:36 |
| newz2000 | There's no one higher that you'd want to talk to. :-) | 20:36 |
| thorwil | newz2000: colored logo and white logo text is so awful i have to consider to withdraw my work | 20:38 |
| newz2000 | oh, please don't | 20:39 |
| newz2000 | I know it's a compromise but it really is great and it's well liked | 20:39 |
| thorwil | it leads to a disconnection. i would have a problem putting it into my portfolio like that | 20:40 |
| knome | i agree with thorwil | 20:40 |
| knome | white text on that banner wouldn't look good. | 20:40 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: have you met Julian yet? | 20:40 |
| knome | it might work with the cd covers, but not a web banner. | 20:40 |
| thorwil | newz2000: we said hi in the artwork channel, that's all | 20:40 |
| thorwil | newz2000: guess i have to see if i can catch him tomorrow | 20:41 |
| thorwil | newz2000: he's in london these days, right? | 20:41 |
| newz2000 | yes | 20:41 |
| newz2000 | he idles here often but recently left for the day | 20:41 |
| thorwil | i really don't want to be a diva, but my test in front of me causes almost physical pain | 20:42 |
| thorwil | newz2000: the only other way i see would be to make the numbers and text in the 3d graphics also white/close-to | 20:43 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: I also have some feedback on the stuff for the animated banner | 20:44 |
| thorwil | good | 20:44 |
| newz2000 | basically the only request is for the first slide | 20:45 |
| newz2000 | people aren't liking the desk | 20:45 |
| newz2000 | the best suggestion is to do an LCD monitor and keyboard | 20:45 |
| newz2000 | Do you think that would be possible? | 20:45 |
| thorwil | yes. boring, but yes | 20:46 |
| newz2000 | It's interesting the range of emotions I got on this particular work. | 20:46 |
| newz2000 | Julian actually went from strongly disliking it to thinking you were brilliant as I explained how it was going to work. | 20:47 |
| thorwil | newz2000: heh. what did he think initially how it would work? | 20:47 |
| newz2000 | He didn't understand how it was animated and how quick the transitions will be | 20:47 |
| thorwil | newz2000: and where does he see brilliance? ;) | 20:48 |
| newz2000 | Communicating a message clearly and quickly I guess. | 20:48 |
| newz2000 | The problem is if you stare at them closely you can pick them to pieces, but no one will be staring at them. They'll only be there for a moment. | 20:48 |
| newz2000 | Except for the first one that is... | 20:49 |
| newz2000 | which is a key point | 20:49 |
| newz2000 | because the animation shouldn't start until the images are loaded, so the first one has to be really good stand alone | 20:49 |
| thorwil | i see | 20:49 |
| thorwil | newz2000: will we have a no-javascript solution for bloggers this time? | 20:50 |
| newz2000 | I think we'll just use a static of the last frame | 20:50 |
| newz2000 | but yes | 20:50 |
| thorwil | good. otherwise i would have to think of something entirely different, remembering the requests from last time | 20:51 |
| MadsRH | thorwil: Sorry for interrupting, but where can I see your slide images? Is there a public link? | 20:51 |
| newz2000 | MadsRH: they're on the wiki... | 20:51 |
| knome | MadsRH, it's the countdown banners wiki page | 20:51 |
| newz2000 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners | 20:51 |
| MadsRH | of course :-[ thanks | 20:52 |
| knome | newz2000, http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test2.html | 20:52 |
| knome | newz2000, is that any better? | 20:52 |
| newz2000 | knome: a little, but not quite | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | Why don't you stick the images in there that thorwill made | 20:53 |
| knome | newz2000, any direction to point to? | 20:53 |
| knome | right. | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | well, the actual slide needs to be quick | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | .25 seconds or so | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | and about 2 seconds between transitions | 20:53 |
| knome | .25 secs but smooth? | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | maybe .4 seconds | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | but yes | 20:54 |
| newz2000 | look at the one by Pierre and see how his is timed | 20:54 |
| newz2000 | I haven't looked closely at the code yet http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/PierreCarousel | 20:54 |
| newz2000 | http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/PierreCarousel/countdown.html is the frame | 20:55 |
| knome | newz2000, it uses mootools. | 20:55 |
| newz2000 | knome: yours does? | 20:55 |
| newz2000 | the other is jquery I think | 20:55 |
| knome | newz2000, no, his onw. | 20:56 |
| knome | one | 20:56 |
| knome | newz2000, and it's not mine, it's my codemonkeys ;) | 20:56 |
| newz2000 | google.load('jquery', '1'); | 20:56 |
| newz2000 | jquery via the google ajax api | 20:56 |
| knome | we don't use google nor something like that. only js | 20:56 |
| newz2000 | I saw that. Clever. | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | Don't be afraid to stand on the shoulders of giants. | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | ;-) | 20:57 |
| knome | he is a clever codemonkey. | 20:57 |
| knome | he doesn't want bananas, he wants beer. | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | You get two free cookies if he can do it with YUI3 | 20:57 |
| knome | (and money, occasionally) | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | (virtual cookies) | 20:57 |
| knome | i'm seriously thinking whether i should possess him this challenge. | 20:58 |
| knome | but i think i won't :P | 20:58 |
| newz2000 | Well, I don't really care what is used | 20:58 |
| newz2000 | The end result is the important part | 20:58 |
| knome | right. what i care is about is that it's really non-dependant on heavy libs. | 20:59 |
| newz2000 | that's fine too. The smoothness and the timing of the transition on Pierrre's is quite good. I'm not sure what makes the difference. | 20:59 |
| knome | it's something mootools does. it does some slide transition tweaking. | 21:00 |
| newz2000 | maybe. (it's jquery btw) ;-) | 21:00 |
| newz2000 | wow, how clever... look at this: | 21:02 |
| newz2000 | $.get("http://developer.yahooapis.com/TimeService/V1/getTime", { | 21:02 |
| knome | http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test3.html | 21:03 |
| knome | yes, i wouldn't want to refer to yahooapis.com | 21:03 |
| knome | is that better ^ | 21:03 |
| newz2000 | there's somethign wrong with the dimensions | 21:04 |
| thorwil | newz2000: 9.04 white, too? | 21:04 |
| knome | newz2000, dimensions? what could that be? | 21:05 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: let me check my chat history | 21:05 |
| newz2000 | knome: I don't know, big white gaps | 21:05 |
| knome | newz2000, right. refresh | 21:05 |
| knome | it's cached css. | 21:05 |
| newz2000 | knome: better. The delay between transitions is good, the actual transition could be quicker | 21:06 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: still looking, sorry for delay | 21:06 |
| mdke | newz2000: hi | 21:06 |
| newz2000 | hey mdke | 21:06 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: the exact words are "with white Ubuntu" | 21:07 |
| newz2000 | so I'd say leave the version number as it is | 21:07 |
| knome | newz2000, http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test3.html | 21:09 |
| knome | newz2000, (again) - better? | 21:09 |
| newz2000 | knome: looking sharp! | 21:09 |
| knome | is that good or bad? :P | 21:10 |
| newz2000 | it's good | 21:10 |
| thorwil | it does weird things here | 21:10 |
| knome | right. anything else to tweak? | 21:10 |
| knome | thorwil, like what? | 21:10 |
| thorwil | knome: it left gaps between the slides and stopped in the middle of 2 slides on first load | 21:11 |
| thorwil | knome: but now it works after F5 | 21:11 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: shift+reload | 21:11 |
| knome | thorwil, refresh css. | 21:11 |
| thorwil | ah, ok | 21:11 |
| knome | thorwil, that was just cached css. | 21:11 |
| thorwil | all hail caching | 21:11 |
| newz2000 | knome: only one more change for now, add one more frame, use this image: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tw_ring_colored_24_days.png | 21:12 |
| newz2000 | actually, maybe decrease the delay between the transitions. If it's 2.0s now then try 1.8s | 21:12 |
| knome | right :P | 21:12 |
| thorwil | knome, newz2000 it would be better to have the 1 px black border left in place, instead of having it as part of the slides | 21:12 |
| newz2000 | yes, I agree | 21:13 |
| knome | thorwil, i thought that cam from your images... | 21:13 |
| thorwil | knome: yes, because i didn't think of sliding | 21:13 |
| thorwil | if the border can be added on top, i can remove it from my images | 21:14 |
| thorwil | but now i have to go, good night! :) | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | don't sweat it for now thorwil | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | ok, good night thorwil, thanks for your help | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | mdke: what do you think about the search engine suggestion, should we try to make it work with search.ubuntu.com so we only need to maintain one? | 21:15 |
| mdke | newz2000: is there an email about this that I missed? | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | no, just mentioned it above | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | basically | 21:15 |
| mdke | newz2000: ah, scrolling up | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | search.ubuntu.com already has a filter for limiting searches to documentation | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | (which is help.ubuntu.com) | 21:15 |
| mdke | as long as the results cover the same sites as the current website and are weighted in the same way, i think that would work | 21:16 |
| mdke | although I guess the header might be inconsistent with the help website | 21:16 |
| newz2000 | lets see if it's technically feasable | 21:17 |
| newz2000 | if so we can have a different search results page | 21:17 |
| mdke | ok. Dustin has been very good at google search so he can probably help answer any technical questions | 21:18 |
| mdke | and he has access to the config with the weighting rules | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | oh, you've already started building another one? | 21:18 |
| mdke | basically we weight the latest stable release docs higher than others, and then the community ones below that, broadly | 21:18 |
| mdke | newz2000: we've had one since October, but it has adverts | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | oh, I see | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | well, what you describe is actually a good idea | 21:19 |
| newz2000 | I'll talk to Dustin about it, see if he knows a way to send a parameter in with the search to automatically use the documentation filter. If so we'll put your weighting into ours (since it seems logical) | 21:19 |
| mdke | that's great | 21:19 |
| mdke | feel free to check out help.ubuntu.com/search.html for the search we have now | 21:21 |
| knome | newz2000, http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Feature%20Carousel/ | 21:35 |
| knome | newz2000, fallbacks to frame 6 if no JS | 21:35 |
| knome | newz2000, slides are now showed 1.8s | 21:35 |
| newz2000 | looks good | 21:35 |
| newz2000 | I'll show it off to a few people and get some feedback | 21:36 |
| knome | sure, no problem. | 21:36 |
| newz2000 | You may want to hide frame 6 using js until after frame 1 loads | 21:36 |
| newz2000 | it seems to be loading quicker than frame 1 | 21:37 |
| newz2000 | but that is a good idea | 21:37 |
| knome | that might be a bit of a problem. i don't know. | 21:39 |
| knome | the fallback frame is defined in css, which will obviously load before js, is the js script is included after. | 21:40 |
| knome | i shall ask what we can do | 21:40 |
| knome | ok, the thing is investigated. | 21:41 |
| newz2000 | one thing you can do is just use an img tag in a noscript tag | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | and if you put that last then it will load afterwards | 21:43 |
| knome | right.. | 21:43 |
| newz2000 | well, technically it won't load at all unless js is off | 21:43 |
| knome | the noscript? | 21:43 |
| newz2000 | if js is turned on the <noscript><img ...></noscript> is ignored | 21:44 |
| knome | right. | 21:46 |
| knome | newz2000, http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Feature%20Carousel/ | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | knome: awesome, good work | 21:54 |
| knome | i'll forward your thanks to the author :) | 21:55 |
| knome | though he might just pop in himself..:P | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | I'll send it to people and get feedback. I can't wait to see it with the final image | 21:56 |
| knome | yeah. | 21:56 |
| knome | it's highly possible we will use it with xubuntu as well :) | 21:56 |
| knome | newz2000, meet rime, the author of the JS | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | hi rime! | 21:57 |
| rime | hi newz2000! | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | ah, this is nice: | 21:58 |
| newz2000 | frameDelays[0] = 1000 * 1.8; | 21:58 |
| knome | yes. | 21:58 |
| knome | that was the original spec, wasn't it? | 21:58 |
| newz2000 | that will make it very easy to tweak when it comes time to do final adjustments | 21:58 |
| newz2000 | see you later, gonna upgrade to jaunty | 22:07 |
| knome | see you newz2000 | 22:07 |
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