[00:22] Hi is anyone out there? [00:22] I am new to Ubuntu and am looking for installation help. I don't know if this is the correct chat room. === mpt_ is now known as mpt [20:25] mdke: around? re: search on help.ubuntu.com [20:26] I wonder if we could just re-use the search engine on search.ubuntu.com. I set up a filter so that a person can limit their search results to just documentation. [20:26] Hi thorwil [20:27] hi newz2000 [20:27] I have some feedback for you [20:27] do you have a min? [20:27] i'll brb, then i will [20:28] ok [20:32] newz2000: back [20:33] hey thorwil [20:33] funny story for you... [20:33] so you know how sometimes you give a person two pieces of art to consider and you're sure they're going to pick A because its' the obvious choice but instead they pick B? [20:34] Well, regarding the countdown banner we want the one with the coloured logo. :-) [20:34] some designers use tricks like less nice backgrounds to make things like that less likely :) [20:34] sorry [20:34] They're asking for the logo text to be white [20:35] who's they? [20:35] I've not seen the artwork in question but I guess this is going to make it very harmonious with the cd covers [20:35] sorry, I went to Julian, design lead, and Kat, corporate identity [20:35] They have to sign off on anything that is deemed "official" [20:36] They both liked your work [20:36] i ask because i wondered if it could be escalated [20:36] There's no one higher that you'd want to talk to. :-) [20:38] newz2000: colored logo and white logo text is so awful i have to consider to withdraw my work [20:39] oh, please don't [20:39] I know it's a compromise but it really is great and it's well liked [20:40] it leads to a disconnection. i would have a problem putting it into my portfolio like that [20:40] i agree with thorwil [20:40] white text on that banner wouldn't look good. [20:40] thorwil: have you met Julian yet? [20:40] it might work with the cd covers, but not a web banner. [20:40] newz2000: we said hi in the artwork channel, that's all [20:41] newz2000: guess i have to see if i can catch him tomorrow [20:41] newz2000: he's in london these days, right? [20:41] yes [20:41] he idles here often but recently left for the day [20:42] i really don't want to be a diva, but my test in front of me causes almost physical pain [20:43] newz2000: the only other way i see would be to make the numbers and text in the 3d graphics also white/close-to [20:44] thorwil: I also have some feedback on the stuff for the animated banner [20:44] good [20:45] basically the only request is for the first slide [20:45] people aren't liking the desk [20:45] the best suggestion is to do an LCD monitor and keyboard [20:45] Do you think that would be possible? [20:46] yes. boring, but yes [20:46] It's interesting the range of emotions I got on this particular work. [20:47] Julian actually went from strongly disliking it to thinking you were brilliant as I explained how it was going to work. [20:47] newz2000: heh. what did he think initially how it would work? [20:47] He didn't understand how it was animated and how quick the transitions will be [20:48] newz2000: and where does he see brilliance? ;) [20:48] Communicating a message clearly and quickly I guess. [20:48] The problem is if you stare at them closely you can pick them to pieces, but no one will be staring at them. They'll only be there for a moment. [20:49] Except for the first one that is... [20:49] which is a key point [20:49] because the animation shouldn't start until the images are loaded, so the first one has to be really good stand alone [20:49] i see [20:50] newz2000: will we have a no-javascript solution for bloggers this time? [20:50] I think we'll just use a static of the last frame [20:50] but yes [20:51] good. otherwise i would have to think of something entirely different, remembering the requests from last time [20:51] thorwil: Sorry for interrupting, but where can I see your slide images? Is there a public link? [20:51] MadsRH: they're on the wiki... [20:51] MadsRH, it's the countdown banners wiki page [20:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners [20:52] of course :-[ thanks [20:52] newz2000, http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test2.html [20:52] newz2000, is that any better? [20:53] knome: a little, but not quite [20:53] Why don't you stick the images in there that thorwill made [20:53] newz2000, any direction to point to? [20:53] right. [20:53] well, the actual slide needs to be quick [20:53] .25 seconds or so [20:53] and about 2 seconds between transitions [20:53] .25 secs but smooth? [20:53] maybe .4 seconds [20:54] but yes [20:54] look at the one by Pierre and see how his is timed [20:54] I haven't looked closely at the code yet http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/PierreCarousel [20:55] http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/PierreCarousel/countdown.html is the frame [20:55] newz2000, it uses mootools. [20:55] knome: yours does? [20:55] the other is jquery I think [20:56] newz2000, no, his onw. [20:56] one [20:56] newz2000, and it's not mine, it's my codemonkeys ;) [20:56] google.load('jquery', '1'); [20:56] jquery via the google ajax api [20:56] we don't use google nor something like that. only js [20:57] I saw that. Clever. [20:57] Don't be afraid to stand on the shoulders of giants. [20:57] ;-) [20:57] he is a clever codemonkey. [20:57] he doesn't want bananas, he wants beer. [20:57] You get two free cookies if he can do it with YUI3 [20:57] (and money, occasionally) [20:57] (virtual cookies) [20:58] i'm seriously thinking whether i should possess him this challenge. [20:58] but i think i won't :P [20:58] Well, I don't really care what is used [20:58] The end result is the important part [20:59] right. what i care is about is that it's really non-dependant on heavy libs. [20:59] that's fine too. The smoothness and the timing of the transition on Pierrre's is quite good. I'm not sure what makes the difference. [21:00] it's something mootools does. it does some slide transition tweaking. [21:00] maybe. (it's jquery btw) ;-) [21:02] wow, how clever... look at this: [21:02] $.get("http://developer.yahooapis.com/TimeService/V1/getTime", { [21:03] http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test3.html [21:03] yes, i wouldn't want to refer to yahooapis.com [21:03] is that better ^ [21:04] there's somethign wrong with the dimensions [21:04] newz2000: 9.04 white, too? [21:05] newz2000, dimensions? what could that be? [21:05] thorwil: let me check my chat history [21:05] knome: I don't know, big white gaps [21:05] newz2000, right. refresh [21:05] it's cached css. [21:06] knome: better. The delay between transitions is good, the actual transition could be quicker [21:06] thorwil: still looking, sorry for delay [21:06] newz2000: hi [21:06] hey mdke [21:07] thorwil: the exact words are "with white Ubuntu" [21:07] so I'd say leave the version number as it is [21:09] newz2000, http://82.181.114.252/rime/jscript/rotator/test3.html [21:09] newz2000, (again) - better? [21:09] knome: looking sharp! [21:10] is that good or bad? :P [21:10] it's good [21:10] it does weird things here [21:10] right. anything else to tweak? [21:10] thorwil, like what? [21:11] knome: it left gaps between the slides and stopped in the middle of 2 slides on first load [21:11] knome: but now it works after F5 [21:11] thorwil: shift+reload [21:11] thorwil, refresh css. [21:11] ah, ok [21:11] thorwil, that was just cached css. [21:11] all hail caching [21:12] knome: only one more change for now, add one more frame, use this image: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tw_ring_colored_24_days.png [21:12] actually, maybe decrease the delay between the transitions. If it's 2.0s now then try 1.8s [21:12] right :P [21:12] knome, newz2000 it would be better to have the 1 px black border left in place, instead of having it as part of the slides [21:13] yes, I agree [21:13] thorwil, i thought that cam from your images... [21:13] knome: yes, because i didn't think of sliding [21:14] if the border can be added on top, i can remove it from my images [21:14] but now i have to go, good night! :) [21:14] don't sweat it for now thorwil [21:14] ok, good night thorwil, thanks for your help [21:15] mdke: what do you think about the search engine suggestion, should we try to make it work with search.ubuntu.com so we only need to maintain one? [21:15] newz2000: is there an email about this that I missed? [21:15] no, just mentioned it above [21:15] basically [21:15] newz2000: ah, scrolling up [21:15] search.ubuntu.com already has a filter for limiting searches to documentation [21:15] (which is help.ubuntu.com) [21:16] as long as the results cover the same sites as the current website and are weighted in the same way, i think that would work [21:16] although I guess the header might be inconsistent with the help website [21:17] lets see if it's technically feasable [21:17] if so we can have a different search results page [21:18] ok. Dustin has been very good at google search so he can probably help answer any technical questions [21:18] and he has access to the config with the weighting rules [21:18] oh, you've already started building another one? [21:18] basically we weight the latest stable release docs higher than others, and then the community ones below that, broadly [21:18] newz2000: we've had one since October, but it has adverts [21:18] oh, I see [21:19] well, what you describe is actually a good idea [21:19] I'll talk to Dustin about it, see if he knows a way to send a parameter in with the search to automatically use the documentation filter. If so we'll put your weighting into ours (since it seems logical) [21:19] that's great [21:21] feel free to check out help.ubuntu.com/search.html for the search we have now [21:35] newz2000, http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Feature%20Carousel/ [21:35] newz2000, fallbacks to frame 6 if no JS [21:35] newz2000, slides are now showed 1.8s [21:35] looks good [21:36] I'll show it off to a few people and get some feedback [21:36] sure, no problem. [21:36] You may want to hide frame 6 using js until after frame 1 loads [21:37] it seems to be loading quicker than frame 1 [21:37] but that is a good idea [21:39] that might be a bit of a problem. i don't know. [21:40] the fallback frame is defined in css, which will obviously load before js, is the js script is included after. [21:40] i shall ask what we can do [21:41] ok, the thing is investigated. [21:42] one thing you can do is just use an img tag in a noscript tag [21:43] and if you put that last then it will load afterwards [21:43] right.. [21:43] well, technically it won't load at all unless js is off [21:43] the noscript? [21:44] if js is turned on the is ignored [21:46] right. [21:54] newz2000, http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Feature%20Carousel/ [21:54] knome: awesome, good work [21:55] i'll forward your thanks to the author :) [21:55] though he might just pop in himself..:P [21:56] I'll send it to people and get feedback. I can't wait to see it with the final image [21:56] yeah. [21:56] it's highly possible we will use it with xubuntu as well :) [21:57] newz2000, meet rime, the author of the JS [21:57] hi rime! [21:57] hi newz2000! [21:58] ah, this is nice: [21:58] frameDelays[0] = 1000 * 1.8; [21:58] yes. [21:58] that was the original spec, wasn't it? [21:58] that will make it very easy to tweak when it comes time to do final adjustments [22:07] see you later, gonna upgrade to jaunty [22:07] see you newz2000