[00:00] <JontheEchidna> causing bug 342682 if kmenuedit ever decides to hang
[00:02]  * JontheEchidna actually found how to fix a bug in C++ code :D
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> unless startDetached doesn't do what I think it does :(
[00:04] <josh-l> so here is my request :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Avant+%%5BREQUEST!%%5D?action=content&content=101283
[00:09] <joshua_> does anyone have kwin4-style-bespin installed? I have installed it but it refuses to appear in Window Decorations in the System Settings
[00:11] <joshua_> can dolphin save window size?
[00:54] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102429
[00:54] <claydoh> we are turning the corner methinks ;)
[00:58] <Riddell> claydoh: ooh, nice
[01:00]  * claydoh can vouch for that as well
[01:00] <vorian> awesomeness
[01:00]  * claydoh 's old lappy runs nicely and fastly in jj :)
[01:08] <claydoh> how likely/unlikely is 4.2.2 for jaunty? does the freeze preclude that?
[01:09] <Riddell> most likely I'd say
[01:11] <claydoh> cool, thanks
[01:23] <joshua_> anyone know how i can hack the Glassified plasma theme so that the panel looks right at a smaller size?
[02:22] <sebsebseb> I was told to try this channel
[02:24] <sebsebseb> I got the KDE 4.2  ppa  for  Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10  Intrepid Ibex.   and did a upgrade tonight to  Juanty Jackelope 9.04  alpha 6.   when I logged into KDE.   I had a background.  no panel showing.   and  I could right click on the background for some more options,  as well as something on  the top right of my screen.   Is this normal I guess not.
[02:24] <sebsebseb> apparnatly this is the developers channel
[02:25] <sebsebseb> well  I am not a fan of KDE4
[02:25] <sebsebseb> just like how some apps got better such as Ktorrent
[02:25] <sebsebseb> KDE3  RIP :(
[02:26] <sebsebseb> and if  I am going to run  KDE apps,  I would normalley  in Gnome,   but  once  KDE4.2 is working properly again,  I am up for giving it another chance
[02:41] <claydoh> sebsebseb: #kubuntu is the support channel
[02:41] <sebsebseb> not
[02:41] <sebsebseb> for 9.04
[02:41] <sebsebseb> #kubuntu is for  final stable releases
[02:42] <claydoh> sebsebseb:#ubuntu+1 perhaps
[02:42] <sebsebseb> yes I was in there
[02:42] <sebsebseb> and someone said to try here
[02:42] <claydoh> but I don't think upgrades are well tested at this stage
[02:42] <claydoh> or recommended
[02:42] <sebsebseb> indeed
[02:43] <sebsebseb> why does KDE3 have to die :(   see above
[02:55] <ScottK> sebas: It's free software.  All it takes is someone to maintain it.
[02:55] <ScottK> oops.  That was meant for sebsebseb.
[02:55] <sebsebseb> ScottK: yeah, but  it seems no one wants to,  and I can't
[02:56] <ScottK> That's the reason.
[02:56] <sebsebseb> ScottK: KDE3 Knoppix and distros like that sure that's nice,  but  Kubuntu KDE3 was alright, but  I would just go back to Gnome and use some KDE apps there
[02:57] <ScottK> I find KDE4 pretty good.
[02:57] <sebsebseb> ScottK: maybe it should be an option though in the repos even for 8.10  and 9.04, even though it's  not really suppourted anymore
[02:57] <ScottK> A few people have said they were going to maintain it, but AFAIK none have really managed it.
[02:58] <sebsebseb> ScottK: I found KDE4 to differnet when it came to the GUI and how it looked.   Ktorent has a much nicer version and Dolphin has improved.
[02:58] <sebsebseb> what does AFAIK mean again?
[02:58] <ScottK> As Far As I Know
[03:32] <lex79> ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/345672
[03:33] <lex79> libepub is not in main, so..is it impossible add epub support?
[03:33] <ScottK> At this point yes.
[03:34] <ScottK> It could be considered for Karmic.
[03:34] <lex79> ok
[03:46] <kb9vqf> ScottK: I am maintaining it.  See http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net :)
[03:48] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: You can still have KDE3.5.  See http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net for instructions...for Jaunty, you'll have to add the Intrepid and Jaunty lines to /etc/apt/sources.list though.
[03:48] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: right, but can I have both,  3 and 4?
[03:48] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: You should be able to
[03:49] <sebsebseb> some guy got kde3 from  some where, and tried to upgrade,  and  well it would have just replaced that lot with kde4
[03:49] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: heh I bet I can't have kde2 or 1 or any of that though unless.   would probably be kind of interesting for me to try those, because they were before I used Linux
[03:49] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: That might have been my original repository from way back when.  It no longer does that!
[03:50] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: They were pretty bad IMO.  I only do KDE3.5 :)
[03:52] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: I think KDE 3.10 or something like that is the latest?
[03:52] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: KDE 3.5.10 SVN
[03:53] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: yeah it would kind of suck to have to run  Ubuntu 8.04 for both KDE3  and 4
[03:53] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: or do hardy in a vm for  kde3
[03:54] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: No, you don't need to do that!  Why don't you give my repo a try?
[03:55] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: which is your repo?
[03:57] <kb9vqf> The link I gave earlier.  There are some instructions for adding it to your system on that page.
[03:58] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: Be sure to sign up for the mailing list too
[03:58] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: oh right ok
[03:58] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: so that's for the svn the very latest?
[03:59] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: Yup.  I don't think much will change from now on, unless it's a bugfix that I or other KDE3.5 stalwarts implement.
[04:00] <sebsebseb> kb9vqf: stalwarts????/
[04:00] <kb9vqf> sebsebseb: OK, maybe wrong word.  Those who still use it daily. :-)
[04:01] <joshua_> ok after adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu to my sources, is there anyway to update all my current kde3 applications to their appropriate kde4 versions all at once? or do I have to uninstall amarok kde3 for example and reinstall amarok kde4?
[04:33] <shtylman> Riddell: fyi: I put in a merge request (for the ubiquity bugfixes)
[06:48] <Quintasan> \o
[06:50] <Quintasan> There is a breakage with python-kde4 and python-kde4-dev
[07:04] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I think libplasma3 should depend on python-plasma, there are many python widgets appearing
[07:06]  * Quintasan is off, school time :<
[09:20] <mrvanes> Am I the only one seeing broken font hinting in Jaunty at the moment?
[09:31] <dotancohen> I was seeing broken font hinting in Kubuntu Jauny Firefox, but I configred a different font inside firfox and it went away
[09:32] <dotancohen> I do not remember what the original font was called, should I create a new profile and check?
[09:37] <mrvanes> ALL my hinting is borken
[09:37] <mrvanes> I use verdana as default OS font and it doesn't hint anymore
[09:38] <mrvanes> But that _may_ very well be due to the experimental intel drivers I use, I just wanted to know if that is the case?
[09:55] <agateau> Riddell: got some bug for me?
[10:07]  * apachelogger waves to dotancohen
[10:08] <apachelogger> agateau: bug as in bug that needs fixing?
[10:08] <agateau> apachelogger: yes
[10:11] <apachelogger> hm
[10:12] <ScottK> agateau: I don't suppose you would care to look at the KPackageKit update notification not being persistent (it's the reason we're still shipping the old update notifier)?
[10:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: isn't the update notifier not also taking care of missing lang packs notification?
[10:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't know.  I know jR re-seeded it in response to the KPackageKit notification problem.
[10:13] <agateau> we just added new stuff to update-notifier-kde, so it may not be a good idea to scratch it now :/
[10:14] <agateau> ScottK: but can you explain a bit more what the kpackagekit issue is?
[10:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please update description and title fo bug 310239
[10:14] <ScottK> OK.  Well it'd be nice to have the notification duration fixed generally.  That's just the case I knew of where it hurt the most.
[10:15] <apachelogger> agateau: it looks like the following: new updates arrive, kpk triggers notification, notification goes away (even in the short period of time it is visible, the buttons are mostly broken)
[10:16] <apachelogger> I think the main problems is that kpk's tray icon won't stick, as it is probably supposed to represent the constant state of updates-available
[10:17] <agateau> apachelogger: kpk is an always running app like update-notifier?
[10:17] <maco> JontheEchidna says thats something to do with broken persistent notifications
[10:17] <maco> not a kpk bug
[10:18] <apachelogger> the problem is that the tray icon also disappears
[10:18] <apachelogger> so there is no indication of available updates at all
[10:18] <apachelogger> agateau: it got a kded module to track updates and trigger the notification I think
[10:19] <agateau> oh ok
[10:20]  * agateau grabs the source
[10:20] <Riddell> I suspect that's a bug or lack of feature in plasma
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, update-notifier does not have presistent notifications either, does it?
[10:22] <agateau> the question is: even this bug gets fixed, we still need update-notifier for other stuff, don't we?
[10:22] <apachelogger> so just getting the kpk tray icon to stick around when updates are available should be the target for now
[10:22] <apachelogger> hm, right
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is update-notifier taking care of, these days?
[10:23] <maco> apachelogger: update-notifier DID used to persist in ubuntu gnome sessions. now they have no persistent notifier. instead update manager just opens at seeminly random (really: 7 days since last time a package manager was used for updates) behind everything else
[10:23] <agateau> apachelogger: it can install restricted packages
[10:23] <agateau> codecs, and now nepomuk sesame backend
[10:23] <apachelogger> well, that is a one-time use case
[10:24] <apachelogger> same applies for missing lang packs (if they get handled by update-notifier)
[10:24] <agateau> yes, but must be running to handle the request
[10:24] <agateau> but it*
[10:24] <apachelogger> oh ... isn't the reboot-needed notification handled by it as well?
[10:24] <agateau> i think so
[10:25] <agateau> yes it is
[10:25] <apachelogger> well, it needs to stick around then
[10:26] <apachelogger> agateau: does it have an "update" button for update notifications?
[10:26] <apachelogger> if so, I think we should just deactivate the kpk notification for jaunty and go with update-notifier
[10:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: update-notifier-kde has a systray icon to click on for updates
[10:27] <agateau> the notification is button-less, but you can click the tray icon to start the update process
[10:27] <apachelogger> hm
[10:27] <Riddell> I turned off the kpackagekit notifier
[10:28] <apachelogger> I would find a button more obvious
[10:28] <apachelogger> at least for the time a notification is actually shown
[10:30] <agateau> can be done
[10:30] <apachelogger> well, low-priority, but nice to have :)
[10:30] <apachelogger> considering kpk notifications are turned off I am all happy
[10:34] <agateau> ok, anything else?
[10:37] <Riddell> agateau: upgrades need testing
[10:38] <Riddell> we need to work out the best way to advise people to upgrade from hardy for beta
[10:38]  * apachelogger would find rewriting KHC a much more sensible use of time :P
[10:39] <agateau> phone
[10:42] <Riddell> agateau: here's some bugs https://launchpad.net/bugs/308060 needs someone working out the fix security requested for libmsn
[10:42] <Riddell> bug 339902 needs working out with upstream what the status is
[10:44]  * jussi01 hates that one
[10:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: I really do not get bug 50103
[10:54] <apachelogger> why would kwrite have a dcop call for opening a doc, when opening a doc equals opening a new instance anyway?
[10:56] <agateau> back
[10:57] <agateau> apachelogger: you can have multiple window and one kwrite process (weird, i know)
[10:57] <Riddell> agateau: fancy looking into either of those bugs?
[10:57] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[10:58] <agateau> Riddell: do you maintain an external list to sort kubuntu bugs, or is it all done through launchpad?
[10:58] <apachelogger> agateau: hm, maybe that kind of dbus stuff should be exposed through the katepart then, to have a unified structure for both kate and kwrite
[10:58]  * agateau is a bit lost in launchpad
[10:58] <Riddell> agateau: it's done through launchpad
[10:59] <agateau> ok, I guess i just need to get used to it
[10:59] <apachelogger> agateau: ask JontheEchidna to give you a launchpad intro
[10:59] <apachelogger> he knows all about it ... I think ;-)
[11:03] <mrvanes> dotancohen: problem solved... 70-yes-bitmaps was replaced by 70-no-bitmaps in /etc/fonts/conf.d in latest update :(
[11:19] <freinhard> just found some nice ui-files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/ how do i get there? "systemsettings->printer configuration" looks quite different.
[11:26] <smarter> freinhard: type print in the k-menu
[11:26] <smarter> hmm, that doesn't seem to work anymore
[11:51]  * dotancohen was eating, waves back
[11:52] <Riddell> freinhard: that's the ones "systemsettings->printer configuration" uses
[12:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmm... looks like python-kde4-dev is now uninstallable. *points to #u-devel*
[12:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: Would s/Conflicts/Replaces/ take care of it?
[12:35] <freinhard> Riddell: thats how "printer configuration" looks like here: http://imagebin.ca/view/kLuQQXY.html
[12:35] <freinhard> Riddell: no idea how to get to the settings that system-config-printer.ui offers
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, agateau: I think the  recent system-config-printer changes must have broken the "Add new Printer" dialog in software-properties-kde
[12:55] <ryanakca> When would be the most useful time (testing and bug reporting wise) for me to attempt a dist-upgrade? Before beta or after?
[12:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: now
[12:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: are you on intrepid?
[12:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, with a jaunty laptop
[12:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Any chance you could go through the changes we've made in Jaunty since 4.2.1 went into kubuntu-experimental and see what we need to capture for an official backport?
[12:58] <ryanakca> (amd64 intrepid, i386 laptop)
[12:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: alt-F2 and run    update-notifier-kde -d
[13:10] <freinhard> Riddell: got it. lines 1260-1261 in usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/kcm-scpk.py got 4 spaces too much.
[13:10] <freinhard> 1262
[13:12] <smarter> heh, python spaces are evil :p
[13:14] <freinhard> well but python just rocks :) would have never found/fixed this that easily with c++
[13:15] <smarter> freinhard: right, you don't need to know python nor qt nor anything to fix python code :P
[13:16] <Riddell> freinhard: well spotted
[13:23] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, if I run your kconf_update script and use the result to replace kwinrulesrc then run the dbus command it just reverts back to the old one
[13:25] <agateau> Riddell: argh
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: how did you start it?
[13:29] <Riddell> agateau: well by hand so probably not the proper wya
[13:29] <Riddell> agateau: what's the best way to test it?
[13:30] <agateau> I mean you did something like cat kwinrulesrc | myscript.py ?
[13:30] <Riddell> yes
[13:30] <agateau> it's normal then
[13:30] <agateau> kconf_update is a strange tool:
[13:31] <agateau> what is printed on stdout by the script is added by kconf_update (new keys/new groups)
[13:31] <agateau> except for special blocks like "# DELETEGROUP bla"
[13:31] <agateau> which kconf_update interprets as "remove group bla"
[13:32] <agateau> but it's kconf_update which does all the file manipulation
[13:32] <Riddell> agateau: I got it
[13:33] <agateau> Normally if you put both the .upd and the .py in the kconf_update/ dir, kded will detect a new file and run it through kconf_update
[13:33] <Riddell> put the files into /usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/, ran kconf_update, voila okular presentation mode work
[13:33] <Riddell> you rock agateau
[13:33] <agateau> hehe :)
[13:33] <agateau> i try to
[13:44] <ryanakca> Riddell: Failed because I didn't have the GPG key to the kubuntu-members-kde4 / kubuntu-experimental PPA... In Karmic, would it be worthwile implementing logic to give the use the option of bailing or continuing if the missing GPG key isn't an archive.ubuntu.com one?
[13:46] <ScottK> ryanakca: Just install the key and try again.
[13:50] <Lure> Riddell: did you see my notice about install-package still using gdebi? I suppose this should be switched to kpackagekit...
[13:50] <Lure> Riddell: dragonplayer uses it...
[13:57] <Lure> is this known: The following packages have been kept back:
[13:57] <Lure>   python-kde4 python-kde4-dev
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Sure, maybe in a bit
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> Lure: I think so
[14:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  I think during the beta freeze is the time to get it done.
[14:00] <Lure> JontheEchidna: ok, then I am sure somebody will fix it before backup
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> we get exclusive buildd access
[14:06] <agateau> I have a fix for bug 308060, but it's a bit invasive
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: should I attach it to the report?
[14:07] <ScottK> agateau: Please do.
[14:07] <Riddell> agateau: yes please
[14:07] <agateau> ok
[14:07] <Riddell> Lure: it uses code from gebi, I don't think it uses gdebi itself.  kpackagekit should have a feature for a command line package install yes
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> and since gdebi is python and kpackagekit is C++...
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> it should be easy enough to take the code from gdebi and just give it to install-package though
[14:08] <Riddell> that wouldn't be hard
[14:09] <Riddell> adding a feature to kpackagekit to install a package requested on the command line wouldn't be hard either but it's jaunty+1 material
[14:09] <agateau> done
[14:13] <Riddell> agateau: looks impressive, I guess we run it by jdstrand to see if he approves
[14:14] <agateau> Riddell: yes, it's not a 2 line patch :)
[14:15] <agateau> I added the length parameter to the copy function, so I add to patch all code up to the point where the buffer length were known
[14:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you start the upgrade?
[14:22] <Lure> Riddell: install-package
[14:22] <Lure>   Depends: gdebi-kde
[14:22] <Lure>   Depends: python
[14:23] <Riddell> Lure: mm hmm?
[14:29] <ScottK> btw, cjwatson says the gcc bug that caused qt4-x11 to ICE on powerpc is fixed so his patch can be dropped on the next upload.
[14:33] <maco> #ubuntu+1 seems to have a low kubuntu concentration, so asking here: kwin's compositing, broken for everyone or just me?
[14:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: It's running away
[14:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: what stage has it got to?
[14:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: It's downloading the packages...
[14:39] <josh-l> hey all, how would i go about upgrading intrepid to jaunty? fully?
[14:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: Something I should be looking for / trying?
[14:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok, it crashed for me when starting the install stage, I think it's just a problem with running inside a chroot but let me know once it gets there
[14:39] <Riddell> josh-l: alt-f2    update-notifier-kde -d    let us know how you get on
[14:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nod*, will do... It'll probably be in a few hours, somehow I have 2G of packages to download :)
[14:40] <josh-l> thanks Riddell
[14:42] <josh-l> Riddell: is that possible via command line?
[14:42] <Riddell> josh-l: yes (alt-f2 is just being used as a quick command line there)
[14:43] <josh-l> Riddell: i mean via a command line app, like apt-get or aptitude
[14:45] <kb9vqf> josh-l: You would have to manually add the Jaunty repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list, then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:45] <Riddell> josh-l: couldn't say, the upgrade tool is the one we need testing
[14:45] <Riddell> kb9vqf: that's not advised
[14:46] <ScottK> josh-l: Also the upgrade tool has rules for dealing with some special cases for upgrades that you do want.
[14:46] <kb9vqf> Oops...sorry
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> maco: Works for me (tm)
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> Whoa, neat. Jockey has PolicyKit and KNotification support
[14:50] <maco> :(
[14:50] <maco> maybe i should shrink the scope: any i965 jaunty users that are able to make kwin's compositing work?
[14:51] <maco> i tried resetting kwin's compositing settings even though my settings worked a month ago
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, that might be advisable. I have an nvidia here
[14:51] <maco> compiz works...i started in #ubuntu-x
[15:04] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: python-plasma is going to be installed by default? I had hard time figuring out why the Magic Folder didn't work :)
[15:05] <freinhard> maco: i965 doesn't use the same driver as i915 does?
[15:06] <maco> freeflying: it does, but i figure its possible the hardware may make a difference
[15:06] <Riddell> agateau: able to join #ubuntu-devel ?
[15:06] <agateau> Riddell: sure
[15:08] <freinhard> maco: desktop effects do work here (except for being to expensive for i915). but in exchange i got a really ugly graphics bug.
[15:09] <maco> hm ok. i get an error box yelling at me
[15:09] <maco> a VERY wordy error box
[15:10] <freinhard> don't know who fails here: http://imagebin.ca/view/MY124lml.html qt? kwin? intel driver?
[15:11] <Riddell> freinhard: I have that too, I think it's a combination of intel driver and qt
[15:14] <rgreening> I have intel and don't see that. I am also using UXA acceleration and not EXA or XAA
[15:14] <Riddell> rgreening: how do you turn that on?
[15:15] <cbr>       Option          "AccelMethod"   "UXA"
[15:15] <rgreening> Option          "AccelMethod"           "UXA"
[15:15] <rgreening> :)
[15:15] <rgreening> under section Device
[15:15] <cbr> it was unstable the last time i used it though
[15:15] <cbr> random crashes etc
[15:15] <rgreening> works great here. no issues
[15:15] <rgreening> no crashing
[15:15] <Riddell> under which section?
[15:15] <rgreening> I have an Intel GM45
[15:15] <cbr> device
[15:16] <cbr> me too
[15:16] <cbr> uhm..
[15:16] <cbr> no wait, what's that
[15:16] <cbr> i have gm965
[15:16] <rgreening> cbr the 4500
[15:16] <Riddell> I seem to have  GM965/GL960
[15:16] <cbr> oh, newer one?
[15:16] <cbr> Riddell: i have the same
[15:17] <cbr> imo i got crashes with virtualbox under uxa.. but that was some time ago, maybe things have improved with new driver releases
[15:17] <rgreening> The issue with UXA was it required DRI2 and some other bits to catch up. it has.
[15:18] <maco> rgreening: im using default thing ight now. it used to work both with and without UXA
[15:18] <cbr> too bad no .29 kernels for ubuntu.. i'd like to tinker with kms :p
[15:18] <rgreening> Its stable now, I use it on my system 14hrs per day. no crashes.
[15:18] <maco> i went to test blur in notify-osd stuff with kwin compositing and....crud, no compositing.
[15:18] <maco> cbr: oh you have what i have
[15:19] <maco> UXA didnt crash for me...except if i left compositing on when i suspended
[15:19] <maco> i ended up disabling compositing entirely about a month ago and now that i go to try it again, it doesnt work
[15:19] <cbr> i have composite disabled too
[15:19] <cbr> too much can go wrong with it :p
[15:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: How should I fix the python-kde4 and -kde4-dev problem?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Recommends of things on the CD seed get pulled in to the default CD, correct?
[15:20] <Quintasan> ryanakca: I holded them.
[15:20] <cbr> okay, i'll try UXA for laughs
[15:20] <maco> cbr: are you able to enable composite?
[15:20] <maco> wait wait
[15:20] <maco> with not-UXA, can you enable composite successfully?
[15:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: I uploaded a fix
[15:21] <Riddell> this UXA is much better!
[15:21]  * ryanakca nods
[15:21] <Riddell> composite speeding along
[15:21] <maco> Riddell: trying to tempt me to restart X?
[15:21]  * ryanakca wonders if UXA works with nvidia cards
[15:21] <Riddell> desktop cube all working
[15:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: I think it's intel only for now
[15:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: Bummer :/
[15:22] <maco> isnt UXA just intel's name for "look, we can do DRI2 now!"
[15:22] <txwikinger_work> intel works, or intel does not work?
[15:22] <maco> its intel's attempt to catch up to nvidia's rendering
[15:22] <maco> txwikinger: UXA is for Intel and Intel+Kwin compositing + !maco = works
[15:23] <txwikinger_work> :)
[15:24] <cbr> maco: i think so
[15:25] <agateau> is UXA the solution to "my desktop feels slugish since I installed Jaunty" ?
[15:25] <rgreening> :)
[15:26] <rgreening> UXA should be the default for Intel cards for Jaunty...
[15:26] <maco> agateau: recompiling the kernel with preempt enabled is one way to deal with "my desktop feels sluggish since they EOL'd Feisty and made me upgrade"...
[15:26] <cbr> i wouldn't make such bold claims
[15:26] <cbr> rgreening: it isnt
[15:26] <maco> rgreening: its experimental. many cards go arse over tincan when they encounter it
[15:26] <agateau> maco: :)
[15:27] <rgreening> meh.
[15:27] <rgreening> :>:
[15:27] <cbr> ubuntu kernel doesn't have preempt?
[15:27] <maco> no
[15:27] <agateau> and how does one enable/install uxa?
[15:27] <cbr> wasn't that the stuff that made stuff fast?
[15:27] <maco> thats part of why pulseaudio glitch free suuuuucks
[15:27] <maco> it slows down the machine overall, technically, but it reduces latency for the user
[15:28] <rgreening> Sun IBM merger... I dub thee SunBM (Pronounced SunBeem)
[15:28] <maco> like, if you're doing single-task benchmarking, it might come out slower
[15:28] <rgreening> remember where you heard it first folks.
[15:28] <Riddell> agateau: Option  "AccelMethod"   "UXA"
[15:28] <maco> but if you're a user and you want to click the button and gosh darn it, it should respond right when you click that button....yay preempt!
[15:28] <Riddell> agateau: under Device in xorg.conf
[15:28] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:29] <cbr> so why did they disable it?
[15:29] <maco> it completely killed battery life for laptops
[15:29] <maco> the combination of it and hz=1000
[15:29] <maco> now that we have tickless kernel, it should be ok to bring back
[15:30] <maco> but its too late in jaunty to do so now
[15:30] <maco> it can also create some odd race-condition type bugs if the kernel threads you preempt really did not want to be preempted
[15:31] <maco> (at least, this is what i've gathered is the situation based on reading kernel-team mailing list and chatting with apw and dtchen)
[15:31] <agateau> maco: sounds like a lot of fun
[15:31]  * agateau restarts X
[15:33] <txwikinger_work> rgreening: What did we hear first? the merger, or the new name?
[15:34] <maco> txwikinger: his new name proposal
[15:34] <Quintasan> nixternal: ping
[15:34] <rgreening> lol... my coining of the phrase for th enew name :)
[15:34] <maco> well i suppose technically we heard about the potential merge on the news a few days ago
[15:34] <maco> so we heard that before we heard him. but i think he means we heard before others what he thinks teh name will be
[15:34] <rgreening> I think SunBM could catch on. :) - Tagline: A ray of hope
[15:34] <txwikinger_work> yep.. I heard about it a couple of days ago too
[15:35] <maco> quassel feature request: teh becomes the
[15:35] <agateau> UXA rocks!
[15:35] <rgreening> UXA does teh rox agateau
[15:35] <maco> rgreening: lolerscates
[15:35] <rgreening> maco: :P
[15:35] <maco> hey wait...i never got a confirmation email from quassel's bug tracker registration thingy
[15:36] <maco> *pout*
[15:36] <agateau> quassel feature request: lolcats plugin
[15:36] <maco> i wanna request that it notice netsplits and behave sensibly, like irssi, as opposed to acting like xchat
[15:37] <maco> 50 lines of part followed  a minute later by 50 lines of join.....ugh
[15:39]  * ScottK just hides all the parts/joins.
[15:39]  * apachelogger starts singing again
[15:40] <agateau> mmm, my machine locked up when I tried to bring krunner
[15:40] <agateau> i am afraid UXA rocks but not completly :)
[15:40] <apachelogger> hehe
[15:40] <cbr> uxa seems faster than when i last tried
[15:41] <agateau> bbiab
[15:41] <freinhard> agateau: UXA sucks(atm for 915GM)! ;) see bug #331719
[15:41] <apachelogger> do I have an i915
[15:42] <freinhard> apachelogger: so you should be affected by that bug.
[15:42] <apachelogger> oh dear, I do
[15:42] <apachelogger> then again, who needs VT switching anyway :P
[15:42] <freinhard> ugly graphics bug vs. no VT.
[15:43] <cbr> so now composite is fast
[15:43] <cbr> but konsole is still piss-slow
[15:44] <cbr> what gives :p
[15:44] <apachelogger> clearly 9.04 doesn't want to start in a vbox
[15:44] <Quintasan> knights is no longer maintained?
[15:44]  * apachelogger fires up the xen machine
[15:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nope
[15:44] <apachelogger> for years it seems actually
[15:45] <apachelogger> ~np
[15:45] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Last of the English Roses" by Peter Doherty
[15:48] <Quintasan> bug 345828 <--- those kind of bugs are marked as invalid or something else?
[15:49] <apachelogger> *read*
[15:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: invalid + file a removal request for knights-themepack, then get a motu to approve the request and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[15:51] <apachelogger> considering knights-themepack is really still in the archives of course
[15:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you please drop the notes plasmoid from kds
[15:51] <Quintasan> It is
[15:51] <apachelogger> it is seriously untranslated
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: btw, kdebase-workspace-bin now recommends python-plasma
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[15:52] <Riddell> it's not in k-d-s now
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> though I think it possibly moved to a patch in kdebase
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> -workspace
[15:52] <Riddell> it did
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:52]  * JontheEchidna has a bit of lag
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> ~ping
[15:52] <kubotu> pong
[15:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: great :)
[15:52] <apachelogger> hm, then there :P
[15:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: why are the kickoff favorites set to KDE default again?
[15:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know
[15:53] <apachelogger> uh, I like the new timezone chooser
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: our current default-notes patch is properly i18n'd
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: and yeah, the timezone chooser is a usability wreck
[15:54] <Riddell> it is?
[15:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: seriously now, even if it is i18n'ed, it is so not going to be translated
[15:55] <apachelogger> not within the next 3 years anyway
[15:55] <apachelogger> we really gotta be realistic about whether stuff really gets translated, the user will not care if we have a i18n() in the code or not
[15:56] <nixternal> Quintasan: pong
[15:58] <Quintasan> nixternal: I want to start translating docs. Anything I should know?
[15:58] <apachelogger> do we have docs again?
[15:58] <nixternal> not yet but soon
[15:58] <apachelogger> when I just tried the about-kubuntu stuff ont he live cd it failed :S
[15:58] <nixternal> couple of more days
[15:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:59] <nixternal> yes, because of the change from /usr/share/doc/kde4 to /usr/share/doc/kde
[15:59] <nixternal> when you change it in the other packages, you have to change it in the docs as well
[15:59] <apachelogger> dood
[15:59] <apachelogger> I like told you twice :P
[16:00] <nixternal> ya, but building a docs package just for that during development would be a waste of brain cells :p
[16:00] <apachelogger> meh
[16:01]  * apachelogger likes how ubiquity is speaking 2 languages at the same time
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> Do you think the panel would look more "balanced" if it looked like this? http://imagebin.ca/view/LjFsa0f.html
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> Right now everything's shoved on all sides of the systray
[16:02] <apachelogger> I don't
[16:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the pager got a vey awkward place, way to easy to switch desktop when indeed you want to open the menu
[16:03] <apachelogger> + it's been on the right side for ages
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would go with launchper | device notifier | quickaccess | task manager | pager | battery | network | tray | clock
[16:04]  * ScottK understands nixternal to be saying he has to be very careful not to waste his remaining brain cells?
[16:05] <nixternal> you would be correct sirt
[16:05] <nixternal> sir
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: actually, that makes me wonder ... what happens with the battery on a desktop machine?
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I dunno. When we had it set in k-d-s it'd always pop up, but I'm not sure how it will handle now that we don't specify it at all
[16:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's code now in plasma to do the right thing
[16:06] <apachelogger> oh, awesome :)
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> nice
[16:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: are yuo running today's live CD?
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/qSKxGJ.html
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> eww @ jpeg artifacts
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> why can't drag and drop from ksnapshot default to png? :(
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: yep
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> drag and drop from ksnapshot to the pastebin applet is so convenient...
[16:09] <agateau> mmm uxa is definitely unstable
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> especially now that the prt scr button actually works
[16:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you notice if plasma took an unusually long time to start (show the wallpaper and put the widgets in the right place.  also did the folderview and notes widget start correctly?
[16:10] <Riddell> agateau: working great here, but there's a reason it's not on by default, I think it's just the luck of the graphics card
[16:10] <agateau> Riddell: yes i guess
[16:11] <freinhard> UXA! :)
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I am running it inside a virtual machine with safe graphics, but there was wrong rendering for the plasmoids going on
[16:11] <apachelogger> they look properly now though
[16:13] <Riddell> mm, that seems to be a side effect of not having it pre-configured in k-d-s
[16:14] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, it seems kickoffrc is missing
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> kickoffrc is deprecated, I think
[16:14] <apachelogger> how that?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> moved into plasma-appletsrc
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> for per-kickoff settings I guess?
[16:15] <apachelogger> no
[16:15] <apachelogger> the favorites
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> I'm saying per-kickoff settings was probably why it was moved
[16:15] <apachelogger> there were no settings in there :P
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> since all kickoff instances would share the same settings
[16:16] <apachelogger> sounds weird
[16:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what kickoff instances?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> add widgets -> add kickoff
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> add widgets -> add kickoff again
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> both would share the same settings since they both used the same rc
[16:16] <apachelogger> well, what is the problem with that?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> but if the settings are in plasma-appletsrc they could have independent settings
[16:17] <apachelogger> hm
[16:17] <apachelogger> favs are not stored in plasma-appletsrc
[16:17] <apachelogger> just tried
[16:17] <apachelogger> they still end up in kickoffrc
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, then maybe it wasn't moved at all
[16:17]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> maybe only some options moved
[16:18] <apachelogger> someone just restore kickoffrc in kds :P
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> heh
[16:19]  * apachelogger blames Riddell
[16:20] <apachelogger> r249
[16:20] <apachelogger> ha, we did never set the nohover in kickoffrc :P
[16:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got time to revert that change?
[16:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> sure, then I'll get the list of backport-needed changes for kde 4.2.1
[16:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you recently try a fresh install ... at first login I get the akonadi status window which then disappears after some time ... very weird
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: no plasma problems in the installation, btw ... maybe we should just ship a pre-configured config for use in the live cd?
[16:28]  * apachelogger could cry over rosetta's interface
[16:33] <cbr> i wonder why kde's network-manager plasmoid can't connect to wifi
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kickoffrc pushed back to bzr
[16:39] <apachelogger> thx
[16:48] <apachelogger> hm
[16:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kde4libs/+pots/kdelibs4/de/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Check+this+option+i
[16:48] <apachelogger> there is something weird going on with pot generation
[16:48] <apachelogger> Located in obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kio/ui_kpropertiesdesktopadvbase.h:181
[16:49] <apachelogger> that hardly seems like a valid path to get strings from?
[16:49] <Riddell> damn
[16:49] <ScottK> It's also interesting that the translation has contributors, but no actual translation.
[16:51] <Riddell> I suppose another exception could be added to debian/patches/kubuntu_01_no_translate_pc_dir.diff
[16:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: got a second?
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> in a bit
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/134305/
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ok, I have a second now
[16:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think the KDE doods abandoned rosetta, so german is especially getting no translations for kubuntu changes
[16:55] <apachelogger> having used the UI again, I can very much understand this
[16:58] <freinhard> apachelogger: kde programs are translated on launchpad ?!?
[16:58] <ScottK> There are Ubuntu specific translation efforts in LP.
[16:58] <ScottK> Upstream has their own tools for it.
[16:59] <ScottK> Personally, I'll be happy if the Ubuntu translation process doesn't worsen the translations again.
[16:59] <apachelogger> if only the efforts would stick to Ubuntu specific stuff :S
[17:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: IMHO upstream translations should be locked for translation unless some sane dood agrees to unlock them
[17:00] <apachelogger> for a bugfix for example
[17:00]  * apachelogger needs to get something to eat
[17:07] <ScottK> Up until recently there wasn't even a way to export changes to send them back upstream.
[17:11] <freinhard> where can i find the kubuntu docs? like system-settings/C/system-settings.xml
[17:12] <ScottK> apt-get source kubuntu-docs?
[17:13] <freinhard> ScottK: since they are translated on launchpad i thought i coud get them there too.
[17:13] <Riddell> they're in bzr somewhere
[17:13] <ScottK> Yes.  I didn't realize you wanted LP specific.
[17:13]  * ScottK looks at nixternal for details.
[17:14] <nixternal> huh?
[17:14] <nixternal> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-jaunty
[17:14] <freinhard> ScottK: thx anyways, apt-get source does the job ;)
[17:14] <nixternal> freinhard: ^^
[17:15] <Quintasan> lol
[17:15] <nixternal> freinhard: apt-get source will not get you anything close to what I have in bzr though
[17:15] <nixternal> what you get in apt-get source is actually very bad :(
[17:15] <ScottK> Primarily due to lack of spare brain cells on the part of our docs guy, whoever that is.
[17:16] <nixternal> ya, that is a lot of documentation for jjesse and I to work on, especially when jjesse is out of town most of the time
[17:16] <nixternal> Quintasan: you pinged me earlier, did you need anything?
[17:17] <Quintasan> nixternal: not really, just wanted to ask should I know something important before translating the docs :)
[17:17] <nixternal> oh, hehe
[17:17] <nixternal> yes, make sure you have a Launchpad Account :p
[17:18] <freinhard> nixternal: but i can't use what you got in bzr as reference for translations? looks like trans.edge.lp.net is outdated
[17:18] <Quintasan> nixternal: looks like I have ;)
[17:18] <nixternal> freinhard: you can use what is in bzr, but it isn't finished
[17:19] <nixternal> there are still about 12 sections that are in the process of being updated drastically
[17:19] <nixternal> there is still a few days before string freeze
[17:51]  * Quintasan loves random ext4 crashes
[17:58] <josh-l> hey folks, got a problem here with jaunty, i can only connect to my router if I turn off wep.... help?
[18:04] <josh-l> anyone pls
[18:08] <ScottK> josh-l: Does it work with KNetworkManager?
[18:08] <josh-l> ScottK: is that the intrepid network manager? If so yes it does
[18:08] <ScottK> It's still available in Jaunty, just not the default.
[18:09] <josh-l> okay so I should just use that then?
[18:09] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Reason not to remove KNetworkManager.
[18:09] <ScottK> File a bug on the new widget too.
[18:09] <josh-l> ScottK: will i need to remove the current network manager?
[18:09] <ScottK> josh-l: Also you know WEP is trivial to crack and if you want any actual security you should use WPA, right?
[18:10] <josh-l> yeah i know
[18:10] <ScottK> josh-l: You should be able to have them both installed.
[18:10] <ScottK> OK.
[18:10] <apachelogger> well
[18:10] <josh-l> i'll try wpa before going to knetworkmanager
[18:10] <apachelogger> you need to remove the widget
[18:10] <josh-l> apachelogger: talking to me?
[18:11] <ScottK> josh-l: I'd go with what apachelogger says ...
[18:11] <apachelogger> otherwise it will lock networkmanager and knetworkmanager will not be able to get access
[18:11] <josh-l> okay lemme try wpa first
[18:11] <josh-l> i knkow this isnt ontopic but, should i use a pre-shared key or 802.11 with wpa?
[18:12] <josh-l> and ascii, or hex?
[18:12] <josh-l> ScottK: apachelogger?
[18:12] <smarter> with wpa you should probably use a pass phrase
[18:13] <ScottK> yes.
[18:14] <josh-l> hmm i'm only given option to use preshared key in hex, or ascii, or 802.11
[18:14] <Quintasan> nixternal: I'm translating the files from bzr. I hope I'm not wasting my time :D
[18:15] <ScottK> josh-l: Ascii then.
[18:17]  * smarter wonders wth 802.11 has to do with that
[18:18] <nixternal> Quintasan: you are unfortunately, because they will not get absorbed by rosetta
[18:18] <nixternal> the proper way to do the translations is in rosetta
[18:18] <Quintasan> aargh
[18:18] <nixternal> translations start next week
[18:19] <Quintasan> next week?
[18:19] <nixternal> yes, string freeze is still 5 days away
[18:19] <nixternal> 6 days
[18:19] <Quintasan> hmm, ok
[18:20]  * Quintasan ended up with one way to use his time - play Soldat
[18:22]  * ScottK likes killbots recently.
[18:23] <Riddell> josh-l: strange since plasmoid-network-manager works good for me with WEP
[18:24] <Riddell> no plans to remove knetworkmanager from the dvd though
[18:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: At what point did the upgrader die on you? It has started installing, still at 0%, but it's running away.
[18:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: at the start of installing
[18:41] <Riddell> so that's good
[18:43] <mgraesslin> are there any known problems with NVIDIA and freezes when using compositing in Jaunty?
[20:20] <josh-l> hi all, there is lots of interest in the mockups I found to make a new kde theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=101283&forumpage=0
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> lmao @ http://forum.kde.org/reactions-to-kde-4-x-t-11684-3.html
[21:12]  * JontheEchidna snickers
[21:33] <ryanakca> Will dist-upgrading to jaunty s/ext3/ex4dev/g (or is it already ext4?) in /etc/fstab, or will everything still mount as ext3?
[21:36] <seele> has anyone else noticed that firefox doesn't remember Open with.. applications all the time?
[21:37] <dtchen> seele: AFAIR, it has been that way
[21:38] <seele> hmm.. it had always remembered to use okular and soffice to open files up until a few days ago. was there an update i didnt notice that might have reset it?
[21:44] <dtchen> no idea. i've experienced that brokenness in varying degrees with fresh profiles.
[21:49] <Nightrose> seele: it works here from time to time and then it doesn't
[21:49] <Nightrose> has been that way for a long time
[21:49] <Nightrose> totally random as far as i can tell
[21:50] <Nightrose> if someone knows a fix please let me know - it's quite annoying
[21:56] <kb9vqf> Nightrose: Don't know if it will help, but I have noticed that when that random app switching occurs in Open with, if you go to the Preferences->Applications and look for the offending file type there are multiple entries.  Set all the entries to the same app and the problem will at least be masked
[21:57] <Nightrose> i'll have a look next time it happens
[21:57] <Nightrose> thx
[22:17] <Riddell> kb9vqf: I added you as a member, you can add a blog to planet if you have one, e-mail should get set up soon
[22:18] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Thanks!
[22:18] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Now just trying to copy all those packages to the team PPA...quite tedious
[22:27] <seele> kb9vqf: grats again
[22:27] <kb9vqf> seele: so it works for you?
[22:27] <seele> i was talking about membership..
[22:28] <kb9vqf> seele: Sorry, I got you comfused with someone else.  My fault, trying to finish a project while montoring IRC. :-)
[22:29] <kb9vqf> seele: Glad to be on board though!
[22:30] <dtchen> i don't suppose there are any plans to backport jaunty's 4.2.x to hardy, are there? :/
[22:32] <Riddell> dtchen: no, too much work I'm afraid
[22:32] <dtchen> Riddell: noted.
[22:33] <valgaav> Any way I can force jaunty to not select qtcurve as default gtk+ theme after each reboot ?
[22:34] <valgaav> btw seems somebody reported this to upstream
[22:34] <valgaav> http://gtk-qt.ecs.soton.ac.uk/trac/ticket/95
[22:36] <Riddell> that's a tonio issue, I thought he said he'd fixed it
[22:37] <valgaav> yeah he did
[22:37] <valgaav> though I can cofirm the problem is still there
[22:38] <valgaav> I'm going to use the workaround posted in the upstream bug report
[22:46] <seele> IRC is so dead on the weekend, instead of being more active like you would think, everyone has a life and is offline
[22:46] <seele> where have all the geeks gone?!
[22:47] <Nightrose> haha seele - join markey - he's also complaining about that all the time :D
[22:48] <seele> hehe
[22:48]  * Nightrose is happy with quiet weekends as it means not having much to catch up with after a weekend with bf
[22:50] <seele> young love.. the excitement always wears off after a few years
[22:50] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:51] <seele> i've got a date with a cup of ramen, neon genesis evangelion, and a pile of inferential statistics homework
[22:51] <seele> oh damnit, i've got to grade midterms this week too
[22:51] <seele> the separation between week and weekend are becoming less and less clear
[22:51] <Nightrose> hehe sounds like fun
[22:53]  * kb9vqf has a date with a pile of bugs...
[22:54] <seele> whoo, sounds like i'll have company tonight
[22:54]  * Nightrose joins with a pile of lecture slides
[22:54] <valgaav> neon genesis evengelion ... nah I've seen it too many times already :)
[22:54] <valgaav> nevertheless a classic :P
[22:55] <seele> valgaav: exactly. it's been a few years since i've watched the entire series and the movies in one go.
[22:56] <valgaav> there is a new movie version
[22:56] <valgaav> a bit alternate I guess
[23:08] <seele> ugh.. laptop is choking with virtualbox + spss
[23:27] <kb9vqf> finally got all the kde3.5 packages over to the new team ppa!
[23:30] <Riddell> kb9vqf: which one is that?
[23:31] <kb9vqf> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kde3-maintainers
[23:31] <kb9vqf> Next work is to consolidate the bugtracker onto Launchpad