[00:00] causing bug 342682 if kmenuedit ever decides to hang [00:00] Launchpad bug 342682 in kdebase "Kmenuedit cause plasma lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342682 [00:02] * JontheEchidna actually found how to fix a bug in C++ code :D [00:03] unless startDetached doesn't do what I think it does :( [00:04] so here is my request :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Avant+%%5BREQUEST!%%5D?action=content&content=101283 [00:09] does anyone have kwin4-style-bespin installed? I have installed it but it refuses to appear in Window Decorations in the System Settings [00:11] can dolphin save window size? [00:54] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102429 [00:54] we are turning the corner methinks ;) [00:58] claydoh: ooh, nice [01:00] * claydoh can vouch for that as well [01:00] awesomeness [01:00] * claydoh 's old lappy runs nicely and fastly in jj :) [01:08] how likely/unlikely is 4.2.2 for jaunty? does the freeze preclude that? [01:09] most likely I'd say [01:11] cool, thanks [01:23] anyone know how i can hack the Glassified plasma theme so that the panel looks right at a smaller size? === tmeixner is now known as tomsdale === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:22] I was told to try this channel [02:24] I got the KDE 4.2 ppa for Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex. and did a upgrade tonight to Juanty Jackelope 9.04 alpha 6. when I logged into KDE. I had a background. no panel showing. and I could right click on the background for some more options, as well as something on the top right of my screen. Is this normal I guess not. [02:24] apparnatly this is the developers channel [02:25] well I am not a fan of KDE4 [02:25] just like how some apps got better such as Ktorrent [02:25] KDE3 RIP :( [02:26] and if I am going to run KDE apps, I would normalley in Gnome, but once KDE4.2 is working properly again, I am up for giving it another chance [02:41] sebsebseb: #kubuntu is the support channel [02:41] not [02:41] for 9.04 [02:41] #kubuntu is for final stable releases [02:42] sebsebseb:#ubuntu+1 perhaps [02:42] yes I was in there [02:42] and someone said to try here [02:42] but I don't think upgrades are well tested at this stage [02:42] or recommended [02:42] indeed [02:43] why does KDE3 have to die :( see above [02:55] sebas: It's free software. All it takes is someone to maintain it. [02:55] oops. That was meant for sebsebseb. [02:55] ScottK: yeah, but it seems no one wants to, and I can't [02:56] That's the reason. [02:56] ScottK: KDE3 Knoppix and distros like that sure that's nice, but Kubuntu KDE3 was alright, but I would just go back to Gnome and use some KDE apps there [02:57] I find KDE4 pretty good. [02:57] ScottK: maybe it should be an option though in the repos even for 8.10 and 9.04, even though it's not really suppourted anymore [02:57] A few people have said they were going to maintain it, but AFAIK none have really managed it. [02:58] ScottK: I found KDE4 to differnet when it came to the GUI and how it looked. Ktorent has a much nicer version and Dolphin has improved. [02:58] what does AFAIK mean again? [02:58] As Far As I Know [03:32] ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/345672 [03:32] Ubuntu bug 345672 in kdegraphics "epub support missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:33] libepub is not in main, so..is it impossible add epub support? [03:33] At this point yes. [03:34] It could be considered for Karmic. [03:34] ok [03:46] ScottK: I am maintaining it. See http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net :) [03:48] sebsebseb: You can still have KDE3.5. See http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net for instructions...for Jaunty, you'll have to add the Intrepid and Jaunty lines to /etc/apt/sources.list though. [03:48] kb9vqf: right, but can I have both, 3 and 4? [03:48] sebsebseb: You should be able to [03:49] some guy got kde3 from some where, and tried to upgrade, and well it would have just replaced that lot with kde4 [03:49] kb9vqf: heh I bet I can't have kde2 or 1 or any of that though unless. would probably be kind of interesting for me to try those, because they were before I used Linux [03:49] sebsebseb: That might have been my original repository from way back when. It no longer does that! [03:50] sebsebseb: They were pretty bad IMO. I only do KDE3.5 :) [03:52] kb9vqf: I think KDE 3.10 or something like that is the latest? [03:52] sebsebseb: KDE 3.5.10 SVN [03:53] kb9vqf: yeah it would kind of suck to have to run Ubuntu 8.04 for both KDE3 and 4 [03:53] kb9vqf: or do hardy in a vm for kde3 [03:54] sebsebseb: No, you don't need to do that! Why don't you give my repo a try? [03:55] kb9vqf: which is your repo? [03:57] The link I gave earlier. There are some instructions for adding it to your system on that page. [03:58] sebsebseb: Be sure to sign up for the mailing list too [03:58] kb9vqf: oh right ok [03:58] kb9vqf: so that's for the svn the very latest? [03:59] sebsebseb: Yup. I don't think much will change from now on, unless it's a bugfix that I or other KDE3.5 stalwarts implement. [04:00] kb9vqf: stalwarts????/ [04:00] sebsebseb: OK, maybe wrong word. Those who still use it daily. :-) [04:01] ok after adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu to my sources, is there anyway to update all my current kde3 applications to their appropriate kde4 versions all at once? or do I have to uninstall amarok kde3 for example and reinstall amarok kde4? [04:33] Riddell: fyi: I put in a merge request (for the ubiquity bugfixes) [06:48] \o [06:50] There is a breakage with python-kde4 and python-kde4-dev [07:04] JontheEchidna: I think libplasma3 should depend on python-plasma, there are many python widgets appearing [07:06] * Quintasan is off, school time :< === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne [09:20] Am I the only one seeing broken font hinting in Jaunty at the moment? [09:31] I was seeing broken font hinting in Kubuntu Jauny Firefox, but I configred a different font inside firfox and it went away [09:32] I do not remember what the original font was called, should I create a new profile and check? [09:37] ALL my hinting is borken [09:37] I use verdana as default OS font and it doesn't hint anymore [09:38] But that _may_ very well be due to the experimental intel drivers I use, I just wanted to know if that is the case? [09:55] Riddell: got some bug for me? [10:07] * apachelogger waves to dotancohen [10:08] agateau: bug as in bug that needs fixing? [10:08] apachelogger: yes [10:11] hm [10:12] agateau: I don't suppose you would care to look at the KPackageKit update notification not being persistent (it's the reason we're still shipping the old update notifier)? [10:12] ScottK: isn't the update notifier not also taking care of missing lang packs notification? [10:13] apachelogger: I don't know. I know jR re-seeded it in response to the KPackageKit notification problem. [10:13] we just added new stuff to update-notifier-kde, so it may not be a good idea to scratch it now :/ [10:14] ScottK: but can you explain a bit more what the kpackagekit issue is? [10:14] JontheEchidna: please update description and title fo bug 310239 [10:14] Launchpad bug 310239 in kdebase "KFind search hard to use" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310239 [10:14] OK. Well it'd be nice to have the notification duration fixed generally. That's just the case I knew of where it hurt the most. [10:15] agateau: it looks like the following: new updates arrive, kpk triggers notification, notification goes away (even in the short period of time it is visible, the buttons are mostly broken) [10:16] I think the main problems is that kpk's tray icon won't stick, as it is probably supposed to represent the constant state of updates-available [10:17] apachelogger: kpk is an always running app like update-notifier? [10:17] JontheEchidna says thats something to do with broken persistent notifications [10:17] not a kpk bug [10:18] the problem is that the tray icon also disappears [10:18] so there is no indication of available updates at all [10:18] agateau: it got a kded module to track updates and trigger the notification I think [10:19] oh ok [10:20] * agateau grabs the source [10:20] I suspect that's a bug or lack of feature in plasma [10:21] Riddell: well, update-notifier does not have presistent notifications either, does it? [10:22] the question is: even this bug gets fixed, we still need update-notifier for other stuff, don't we? [10:22] so just getting the kpk tray icon to stick around when updates are available should be the target for now [10:22] hm, right [10:22] Riddell: what is update-notifier taking care of, these days? [10:23] apachelogger: update-notifier DID used to persist in ubuntu gnome sessions. now they have no persistent notifier. instead update manager just opens at seeminly random (really: 7 days since last time a package manager was used for updates) behind everything else [10:23] apachelogger: it can install restricted packages [10:23] codecs, and now nepomuk sesame backend [10:23] well, that is a one-time use case [10:24] same applies for missing lang packs (if they get handled by update-notifier) [10:24] yes, but must be running to handle the request [10:24] but it* [10:24] oh ... isn't the reboot-needed notification handled by it as well? [10:24] i think so [10:25] yes it is [10:25] well, it needs to stick around then [10:26] agateau: does it have an "update" button for update notifications? [10:26] if so, I think we should just deactivate the kpk notification for jaunty and go with update-notifier [10:27] apachelogger: update-notifier-kde has a systray icon to click on for updates [10:27] the notification is button-less, but you can click the tray icon to start the update process [10:27] hm [10:27] I turned off the kpackagekit notifier [10:28] I would find a button more obvious [10:28] at least for the time a notification is actually shown [10:30] can be done [10:30] well, low-priority, but nice to have :) [10:30] considering kpk notifications are turned off I am all happy [10:34] ok, anything else? [10:37] agateau: upgrades need testing [10:38] we need to work out the best way to advise people to upgrade from hardy for beta [10:38] * apachelogger would find rewriting KHC a much more sensible use of time :P [10:39] phone [10:42] agateau: here's some bugs https://launchpad.net/bugs/308060 needs someone working out the fix security requested for libmsn [10:42] Ubuntu bug 308060 in libmsn "Include libmsn in main" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:42] bug 339902 needs working out with upstream what the status is [10:42] Launchpad bug 339902 in notify-osd "notifications visible through the screensaver" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339902 [10:44] * jussi01 hates that one [10:53] nixternal: I really do not get bug 50103 [10:54] Launchpad bug 50103 in kdebase "kwrite does not provides a DCOP interface to open documents (as kate does)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50103 [10:54] why would kwrite have a dcop call for opening a doc, when opening a doc equals opening a new instance anyway? [10:56] back [10:57] apachelogger: you can have multiple window and one kwrite process (weird, i know) [10:57] agateau: fancy looking into either of those bugs? [10:57] Riddell: yes [10:58] Riddell: do you maintain an external list to sort kubuntu bugs, or is it all done through launchpad? [10:58] agateau: hm, maybe that kind of dbus stuff should be exposed through the katepart then, to have a unified structure for both kate and kwrite [10:58] * agateau is a bit lost in launchpad [10:58] agateau: it's done through launchpad [10:59] ok, I guess i just need to get used to it [10:59] agateau: ask JontheEchidna to give you a launchpad intro [10:59] he knows all about it ... I think ;-) [11:03] dotancohen: problem solved... 70-yes-bitmaps was replaced by 70-no-bitmaps in /etc/fonts/conf.d in latest update :( [11:19] just found some nice ui-files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/ how do i get there? "systemsettings->printer configuration" looks quite different. [11:26] freinhard: type print in the k-menu [11:26] hmm, that doesn't seem to work anymore [11:51] * dotancohen was eating, waves back [11:52] freinhard: that's the ones "systemsettings->printer configuration" uses === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:17] Riddell: Hmmm... looks like python-kde4-dev is now uninstallable. *points to #u-devel* [12:18] Riddell: Would s/Conflicts/Replaces/ take care of it? === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [12:35] Riddell: thats how "printer configuration" looks like here: http://imagebin.ca/view/kLuQQXY.html [12:35] Riddell: no idea how to get to the settings that system-config-printer.ui offers [12:42] Riddell, agateau: I think the recent system-config-printer changes must have broken the "Add new Printer" dialog in software-properties-kde [12:55] When would be the most useful time (testing and bug reporting wise) for me to attempt a dist-upgrade? Before beta or after? [12:57] ryanakca: now [12:57] ryanakca: are you on intrepid? [12:58] Riddell: Yes, with a jaunty laptop [12:58] JontheEchidna: Any chance you could go through the changes we've made in Jaunty since 4.2.1 went into kubuntu-experimental and see what we need to capture for an official backport? [12:58] (amd64 intrepid, i386 laptop) [12:59] ryanakca: alt-F2 and run update-notifier-kde -d [13:10] Riddell: got it. lines 1260-1261 in usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/kcm-scpk.py got 4 spaces too much. [13:10] 1262 [13:12] heh, python spaces are evil :p [13:14] well but python just rocks :) would have never found/fixed this that easily with c++ [13:15] freinhard: right, you don't need to know python nor qt nor anything to fix python code :P [13:16] freinhard: well spotted [13:23] agateau: hmm, if I run your kconf_update script and use the result to replace kwinrulesrc then run the dbus command it just reverts back to the old one [13:25] Riddell: argh [13:26] Riddell: how did you start it? [13:29] agateau: well by hand so probably not the proper wya [13:29] agateau: what's the best way to test it? [13:30] I mean you did something like cat kwinrulesrc | myscript.py ? [13:30] yes [13:30] it's normal then [13:30] kconf_update is a strange tool: [13:31] what is printed on stdout by the script is added by kconf_update (new keys/new groups) [13:31] except for special blocks like "# DELETEGROUP bla" [13:31] which kconf_update interprets as "remove group bla" [13:32] but it's kconf_update which does all the file manipulation [13:32] agateau: I got it [13:33] Normally if you put both the .upd and the .py in the kconf_update/ dir, kded will detect a new file and run it through kconf_update [13:33] put the files into /usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/, ran kconf_update, voila okular presentation mode work [13:33] you rock agateau [13:33] hehe :) [13:33] i try to [13:44] Riddell: Failed because I didn't have the GPG key to the kubuntu-members-kde4 / kubuntu-experimental PPA... In Karmic, would it be worthwile implementing logic to give the use the option of bailing or continuing if the missing GPG key isn't an archive.ubuntu.com one? [13:46] ryanakca: Just install the key and try again. [13:50] Riddell: did you see my notice about install-package still using gdebi? I suppose this should be switched to kpackagekit... [13:50] Riddell: dragonplayer uses it... [13:57] is this known: The following packages have been kept back: [13:57] python-kde4 python-kde4-dev [13:59] ScottK: Sure, maybe in a bit [14:00] Lure: I think so [14:00] JontheEchidna: Great. I think during the beta freeze is the time to get it done. [14:00] JontheEchidna: ok, then I am sure somebody will fix it before backup [14:00] we get exclusive buildd access [14:06] I have a fix for bug 308060, but it's a bit invasive [14:06] Launchpad bug 308060 in libmsn "Include libmsn in main" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308060 [14:07] Riddell: should I attach it to the report? [14:07] agateau: Please do. [14:07] agateau: yes please [14:07] ok [14:07] Lure: it uses code from gebi, I don't think it uses gdebi itself. kpackagekit should have a feature for a command line package install yes [14:08] and since gdebi is python and kpackagekit is C++... [14:08] it should be easy enough to take the code from gdebi and just give it to install-package though [14:08] that wouldn't be hard [14:09] adding a feature to kpackagekit to install a package requested on the command line wouldn't be hard either but it's jaunty+1 material [14:09] done [14:13] agateau: looks impressive, I guess we run it by jdstrand to see if he approves [14:14] Riddell: yes, it's not a 2 line patch :) [14:15] I added the length parameter to the copy function, so I add to patch all code up to the point where the buffer length were known [14:22] ryanakca: did you start the upgrade? [14:22] Riddell: install-package [14:22] Depends: gdebi-kde [14:22] Depends: python [14:23] Lure: mm hmm? [14:29] btw, cjwatson says the gcc bug that caused qt4-x11 to ICE on powerpc is fixed so his patch can be dropped on the next upload. [14:33] #ubuntu+1 seems to have a low kubuntu concentration, so asking here: kwin's compositing, broken for everyone or just me? [14:37] Riddell: It's running away [14:37] ryanakca: what stage has it got to? [14:37] Riddell: It's downloading the packages... [14:39] hey all, how would i go about upgrading intrepid to jaunty? fully? [14:39] Riddell: Something I should be looking for / trying? [14:39] ryanakca: ok, it crashed for me when starting the install stage, I think it's just a problem with running inside a chroot but let me know once it gets there [14:39] josh-l: alt-f2 update-notifier-kde -d let us know how you get on [14:40] Riddell: *nod*, will do... It'll probably be in a few hours, somehow I have 2G of packages to download :) [14:40] thanks Riddell [14:42] Riddell: is that possible via command line? [14:42] josh-l: yes (alt-f2 is just being used as a quick command line there) [14:43] Riddell: i mean via a command line app, like apt-get or aptitude [14:45] josh-l: You would have to manually add the Jaunty repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list, then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:45] josh-l: couldn't say, the upgrade tool is the one we need testing [14:45] kb9vqf: that's not advised [14:46] josh-l: Also the upgrade tool has rules for dealing with some special cases for upgrades that you do want. [14:46] Oops...sorry [14:47] maco: Works for me (tm) [14:48] Whoa, neat. Jockey has PolicyKit and KNotification support [14:50] :( [14:50] maybe i should shrink the scope: any i965 jaunty users that are able to make kwin's compositing work? [14:51] i tried resetting kwin's compositing settings even though my settings worked a month ago [14:51] Yeah, that might be advisable. I have an nvidia here [14:51] compiz works...i started in #ubuntu-x [15:04] JontheEchidna: python-plasma is going to be installed by default? I had hard time figuring out why the Magic Folder didn't work :) [15:05] maco: i965 doesn't use the same driver as i915 does? [15:06] freeflying: it does, but i figure its possible the hardware may make a difference [15:06] agateau: able to join #ubuntu-devel ? [15:06] Riddell: sure [15:08] maco: desktop effects do work here (except for being to expensive for i915). but in exchange i got a really ugly graphics bug. [15:09] hm ok. i get an error box yelling at me [15:09] a VERY wordy error box [15:10] don't know who fails here: http://imagebin.ca/view/MY124lml.html qt? kwin? intel driver? [15:11] freinhard: I have that too, I think it's a combination of intel driver and qt [15:14] I have intel and don't see that. I am also using UXA acceleration and not EXA or XAA [15:14] rgreening: how do you turn that on? [15:15] Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [15:15] Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [15:15] :) [15:15] under section Device [15:15] it was unstable the last time i used it though [15:15] random crashes etc [15:15] works great here. no issues [15:15] no crashing [15:15] under which section? [15:15] I have an Intel GM45 [15:15] device [15:16] me too [15:16] uhm.. [15:16] no wait, what's that [15:16] i have gm965 [15:16] cbr the 4500 [15:16] I seem to have GM965/GL960 [15:16] oh, newer one? [15:16] Riddell: i have the same [15:17] imo i got crashes with virtualbox under uxa.. but that was some time ago, maybe things have improved with new driver releases [15:17] The issue with UXA was it required DRI2 and some other bits to catch up. it has. [15:18] rgreening: im using default thing ight now. it used to work both with and without UXA [15:18] too bad no .29 kernels for ubuntu.. i'd like to tinker with kms :p [15:18] Its stable now, I use it on my system 14hrs per day. no crashes. [15:18] i went to test blur in notify-osd stuff with kwin compositing and....crud, no compositing. [15:18] cbr: oh you have what i have [15:19] UXA didnt crash for me...except if i left compositing on when i suspended [15:19] i ended up disabling compositing entirely about a month ago and now that i go to try it again, it doesnt work [15:19] i have composite disabled too [15:19] too much can go wrong with it :p [15:20] Riddell: How should I fix the python-kde4 and -kde4-dev problem? [15:20] Recommends of things on the CD seed get pulled in to the default CD, correct? [15:20] ryanakca: I holded them. [15:20] okay, i'll try UXA for laughs [15:20] cbr: are you able to enable composite? [15:20] wait wait [15:20] with not-UXA, can you enable composite successfully? [15:21] ryanakca: I uploaded a fix [15:21] this UXA is much better! [15:21] * ryanakca nods [15:21] composite speeding along [15:21] Riddell: trying to tempt me to restart X? [15:21] * ryanakca wonders if UXA works with nvidia cards [15:21] desktop cube all working [15:21] ryanakca: I think it's intel only for now [15:21] Riddell: Bummer :/ [15:22] isnt UXA just intel's name for "look, we can do DRI2 now!" [15:22] intel works, or intel does not work? [15:22] its intel's attempt to catch up to nvidia's rendering [15:22] txwikinger: UXA is for Intel and Intel+Kwin compositing + !maco = works [15:23] :) [15:24] maco: i think so === freinhar1 is now known as freinhard [15:25] is UXA the solution to "my desktop feels slugish since I installed Jaunty" ? [15:25] :) [15:26] UXA should be the default for Intel cards for Jaunty... [15:26] agateau: recompiling the kernel with preempt enabled is one way to deal with "my desktop feels sluggish since they EOL'd Feisty and made me upgrade"... [15:26] i wouldn't make such bold claims [15:26] rgreening: it isnt [15:26] rgreening: its experimental. many cards go arse over tincan when they encounter it [15:26] maco: :) [15:27] meh. [15:27] :>: [15:27] ubuntu kernel doesn't have preempt? [15:27] no [15:27] and how does one enable/install uxa? [15:27] wasn't that the stuff that made stuff fast? [15:27] thats part of why pulseaudio glitch free suuuuucks [15:27] it slows down the machine overall, technically, but it reduces latency for the user [15:28] Sun IBM merger... I dub thee SunBM (Pronounced SunBeem) [15:28] like, if you're doing single-task benchmarking, it might come out slower [15:28] remember where you heard it first folks. [15:28] agateau: Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [15:28] but if you're a user and you want to click the button and gosh darn it, it should respond right when you click that button....yay preempt! [15:28] agateau: under Device in xorg.conf [15:28] Riddell: ok thanks [15:29] so why did they disable it? [15:29] it completely killed battery life for laptops [15:29] the combination of it and hz=1000 [15:29] now that we have tickless kernel, it should be ok to bring back [15:30] but its too late in jaunty to do so now [15:30] it can also create some odd race-condition type bugs if the kernel threads you preempt really did not want to be preempted [15:31] (at least, this is what i've gathered is the situation based on reading kernel-team mailing list and chatting with apw and dtchen) [15:31] maco: sounds like a lot of fun [15:31] * agateau restarts X [15:33] rgreening: What did we hear first? the merger, or the new name? [15:34] txwikinger: his new name proposal [15:34] nixternal: ping [15:34] lol... my coining of the phrase for th enew name :) [15:34] well i suppose technically we heard about the potential merge on the news a few days ago [15:34] so we heard that before we heard him. but i think he means we heard before others what he thinks teh name will be [15:34] I think SunBM could catch on. :) - Tagline: A ray of hope [15:34] yep.. I heard about it a couple of days ago too [15:35] quassel feature request: teh becomes the [15:35] UXA rocks! [15:35] UXA does teh rox agateau [15:35] rgreening: lolerscates [15:35] maco: :P [15:35] hey wait...i never got a confirmation email from quassel's bug tracker registration thingy [15:36] *pout* [15:36] quassel feature request: lolcats plugin [15:36] i wanna request that it notice netsplits and behave sensibly, like irssi, as opposed to acting like xchat [15:37] 50 lines of part followed a minute later by 50 lines of join.....ugh [15:39] * ScottK just hides all the parts/joins. [15:39] * apachelogger starts singing again [15:40] mmm, my machine locked up when I tried to bring krunner [15:40] i am afraid UXA rocks but not completly :) [15:40] hehe [15:40] uxa seems faster than when i last tried [15:41] bbiab [15:41] agateau: UXA sucks(atm for 915GM)! ;) see bug #331719 [15:41] Launchpad bug 331719 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i915] [UXA] VT switching doesn't work on Intel 915GM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331719 [15:41] do I have an i915 [15:42] apachelogger: so you should be affected by that bug. [15:42] oh dear, I do [15:42] then again, who needs VT switching anyway :P [15:42] ugly graphics bug vs. no VT. [15:43] so now composite is fast [15:43] but konsole is still piss-slow [15:44] what gives :p [15:44] clearly 9.04 doesn't want to start in a vbox [15:44] knights is no longer maintained? [15:44] * apachelogger fires up the xen machine [15:44] Quintasan: nope [15:44] for years it seems actually [15:45] ~np [15:45] apachelogger is listening to "Last of the English Roses" by Peter Doherty [15:48] bug 345828 <--- those kind of bugs are marked as invalid or something else? [15:48] Launchpad bug 345828 in knights "knights is no longer available from the repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345828 [15:49] *read* [15:51] Quintasan: invalid + file a removal request for knights-themepack, then get a motu to approve the request and subscribe ubuntu-archive [15:51] considering knights-themepack is really still in the archives of course [15:51] JontheEchidna: can you please drop the notes plasmoid from kds [15:51] It is [15:51] it is seriously untranslated [15:52] Quintasan: btw, kdebase-workspace-bin now recommends python-plasma [15:52] apachelogger: sure [15:52] it's not in k-d-s now [15:52] though I think it possibly moved to a patch in kdebase [15:52] -workspace [15:52] it did [15:52] yeah [15:52] * JontheEchidna has a bit of lag [15:52] ~ping [15:52] pong [15:52] JontheEchidna: great :) [15:52]