[00:00] <maco> can you pastebin it?
[00:00] <Laney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig
[00:00] <Laney> it's that
[00:00] <maco> i should look at how syndaemon works later....ive only done things with synclient
[00:01] <Laney> that says the same thing
[00:02] <TwoToneSpirit> Hey everybody.
[00:02] <linuxgeek_> guys i need some help i upgraded to januty and now it went in to text mode what do i do now????
[00:03] <maco> :( syndaemon hasnt ported nearly as much as i thought it had
[00:03]  * Laney fails so bad
[00:03] <linuxgeek_> guys i need some help i upgraded to januty and now it went in to text mode and how do i get to graphic mode???
[00:03] <Hobbsee> linuxgeek_: boot into recovery mode, select "repair X"
[00:03] <linuxgeek_> ok
[00:03] <Hobbsee> linuxgeek_: and you don't need to repeat every *minute*
[00:04] <linuxgeek_> kk
[00:04] <josh-l> so here is my request :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Avant+%%5BREQUEST!%%5D?action=content&content=101283
[00:04] <linuxgeek_> what command is it to reboot
[00:04] <maco> linux1: you stop repeating yourself
[00:04] <maco> reboot
[00:04] <linuxgeek_> kk
[00:04] <maco> bah
[00:04] <maco> that was at you
[00:05] <Hobbsee> linuxgeek_: if you don't know hwo to reboot via command line, you *probably* shouldn't be running jaunty...
[00:05] <Hobbsee> ditto about booting into recovery mode
[00:05] <maco> at least not on real hardware
[00:05] <maco> or be using that nick...
[00:05] <dtchen_> Hobbsee: actually, that usage of Breaks seems to be correct
[00:05] <Hobbsee> hah.  that too
[00:05] <linuxgeek_> haha....dude i forgot the command because i got used to the gui
[00:06] <dtchen_> maco: was that error from apt-get or aptitude?
[00:06] <maco> dtchen_: aptitude
[00:06] <dtchen_> mm.
[00:06] <Hobbsee> dtchen_: ah, OK.  Yeah, it looked OK, but I presume there's a missing C&R on libavcodec52 with libavcodec51?
[00:07] <linuxgeek_> ok heres one for ya....jaunty wont reboot
[00:07] <linuxgeek_> ??
[00:07] <linuxgeek_> why??
[00:07] <Hobbsee> because you didn't sudo it.
[00:07] <linuxgeek_> fine
[00:07] <Hobbsee> when it told you only root could reboot
[00:07] <dtchen_> Hobbsee: but they don't share any files
[00:08] <Hobbsee> dtchen_: oh, don't they?  I'm on a half upgraded system with no devscripts :(
[00:08] <Hobbsee> it should definetly be a missing conflicts, though.  This is the section that confuses me every time.
[00:09] <dtchen_> Hobbsee: yes, missing Conflicts
[00:09] <Hobbsee> dtchen_: right.  I'll fix it, then
[00:11] <linuxgeek_> guys now jaunty got stuck and basicly died
[00:11] <Hobbsee> linuxgeek_: then install intrepid again.
[00:11] <Hobbsee> because clearly you aren't going to be able to help with testing
[00:13] <linuxgeek_> great...so now i have to download the 8.10 iso file...that took all day long????!!!!!!!
[00:15]  * Hobbsee eyerolls at the troll.
[00:15] <LjL> Hobbsee: almost rhymes
[00:15]  * Hobbsee installs more development packages
[00:15]  * sagredo joins Hobbsee in an eyeroll
[00:15] <sagredo> \o/ new 01s!
[00:15] <DanaG> Rolling Rolling Rolling....
[00:15]  * Hobbsee picks up all the eyes rolling on the floor, and washes them off
[00:15] <DanaG> s/R/Tr/g
[00:16]  * sagredo slaps globular spheres back into headsocket
[00:16] <dtchen_> &*argh
[00:16] <dtchen_> i just lost three hours due to a wrong \[ condition  :((
[00:16] <maco> you want the address of argh?
[00:16] <sagredo> much better!
[00:16]  * dtchen_ punches the kernel wiki
[00:17] <dtchen_> \[ -f != \[ -d
[00:19] <Hobbsee> Right.  So that's fixed.
[00:19] <DanaG> s/that'/YOUR FACE i/
[00:19] <DanaG> =þ
[00:19] <sagredo> Hobbsee: I like fixing things
[00:22] <Hobbsee> hey, cool.  new artwork
[00:22] <sagredo> bye friends <3
[00:22]  * DanaG liked the old usplash better.
[00:22] <Hobbsee> DanaG: did you see today's version?
[00:22] <dtchen_> dear gcc, please stop ICEing. love, dan.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> or maybe it was yesterday's?  It's not just plain red anymore
[00:23] <DanaG> watch me muck around with my pointy-stick cursor:
[00:23] <_r00t-> hello.i've upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday and now Xorg doesn't work. i got a black screen with some yellow lines at the top ...
[00:23] <DanaG> bnhbfgh bhbhbggbhgggggggggghhgb
[00:23] <dtchen_> are you sure that isn't just you =þ
[00:24] <DanaG> well, it is between 'b' and 'f' and 'g'
[00:24] <DanaG> =þ
[00:24] <dtchen_> i guess there aren't enough 'p's
[00:24] <DanaG> er
[00:24] <DanaG> ghb
[00:24] <DanaG> Can ops actually change people's nicknames?
[00:25] <DanaG> would be funny to change that guy's nickname to linuxnub
[00:25] <bruce89> nice leaving message
[00:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i wish.
[00:25] <Hobbsee> but if he's going to be unproductive...
[00:26] <bazhang> ruhroh
[00:26] <bruce89> unoh
[00:26] <DanaG> ruh-roh  (forgot the hyphen)
[00:27]  * DanaG sets auto-replace plugin to replace all 'y' with 'r'
[00:27] <DanaG> reah.
[00:27] <DanaG> wait, that doesn't quite do the scooby-doo effect right.
[00:27] <maco> hello scooby
[00:27] <bruce89> oops, I got a message from the person who pushed linuxgeek_ into Jaunty
[00:28] <dtchen_> sounds like a great idea. i'll just run that over sound/
[00:28] <_r00t-> does anyone have problem with X in latest jaunty ?
[00:29] <bruce89> apparently, it was only a VM
[00:33] <dtchen_> Cycom: did you file a bug for your headphone jack issue? if you haven't, please do. the kernel team is using SRU policy, so i can't in good faith request a pull from my tree without a corresponding launchpad bug #
[00:33] <dtchen_> Cycom: please do that and tell me the bug #; thanks
[00:33] <tretle> is there some way of removing the crux and glider themes from jaunty now?
[00:34] <maco> bruce89: no need to say "help help!" then is there?
[00:34] <bruce89> well, that's the point
[00:42] <jscinoz> hi
[00:42] <jscinoz> with a recent upgrade (yesterday) sudo broke
[00:43] <humbolt> The new GDM theme is an embarrassment! Totally unprofessional appearance. Let us please get something else and not look stupid. I have proposed a very very nice alternative here http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18286 and here http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18143/ . Very unique and beautiful! Please vote on it, if you like it.
[00:43] <SeveredCross> Anyone know if conky is working?
[00:43] <jscinoz> upon typing the correct password, sudo exits without running the command specified
[00:43] <jscinoz> same with gksu
[00:43] <SeveredCross> Even with the default conkyrc, nothing happens.
[00:43] <jscinoz> luckily i still have root as i enabled a public key login for root over ssh (so i can ssh root@localhost)
[00:43] <jscinoz> any ideas how i can fix sudo?
[00:44] <bruce89> humbolt: can't please everyone, I'm not a huge fan either
[00:44] <Hobbsee> humbolt: too late - and lots of people do think it's nice, fwiw
[00:45] <crdlb> I like how it ties in with the bootsplash
[00:45] <jscinoz> humbolt: newwave is actually packaged for jaunty i believe.
[00:45] <crdlb> and due to its minimalism, it doesn't really clash with any desktop themes
[00:46] <humbolt> Hobbsee: It is not a good fit, as it is very controverse 50:50, see the voting on Brainstrom. For that reason alone it needs to be replaced. 50% unhappy folks is too much and I am certain one with a higher approval rating can be found.
[00:46] <crdlb> brainstorm is not an accurate representation of ubuntu users :)
[00:46] <Hobbsee> humbolt: everyone is never happy with artwork.  And those on brainstorm are not necessarily representative.
[00:46] <Hobbsee> and besides all that, we're frozen for beta now
[00:46] <jscinoz> humbolt: and i also believe that wall-light cant be implemented due to some limitations in the current gtk engines
[00:46] <Hobbsee> just like the forum users aren't (thankfully!)
[00:46] <humbolt> crdlb: an accurate representation of the ones who care.
[00:47] <bazhang> humbolt, please dont spam that in #ubuntu ; #ubuntu-offtopic for that please
[00:47] <jscinoz> or at least it cant be implemented exactly as in the mockups
[00:47] <bruce89> brainstorm is a waste of time
[00:47] <jscinoz> i know that someone made something similar to it though
[00:47] <humbolt> Hobbsee: still a very bad decision. You have the Ubuntu world divided like Bush and Gore did. Not good, not good at all.
[00:47] <jscinoz> also humbolt what about the dust theme?
[00:48] <Hobbsee> what is it with troll days today?
[00:48] <crdlb> jscinoz: with graphical gdm themes, you can do pretty much anything, can't you?
[00:48] <humbolt> jscinoz: no idea show me
[00:48] <Hobbsee> humbolt: people vehemently disagree with the artwork *every* release.  It doesn't seem to have been a problem so far
[00:48] <jscinoz> crdlb: oh i thought we were talking about the gtk theme
[00:48] <jscinoz> humbolt: one sec
[00:48] <crdlb> oh, I didn't scroll down :)
[00:49] <bruce89> well, with this one there is disagreement with notify-osd too
[00:49] <jscinoz> humbolt:
[00:49] <jscinoz> humbolt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
[00:49] <jscinoz> sorry link didnt paste first time >_<
[00:49] <humbolt> Hobbsee: just this one is really really far from professional. That's the work of a first grader. Ask anybody who has an art degree.
[00:49] <Hobbsee> bruce89: yeah.  Oddly enough, gdm isn't the one that seems to get the most complaints.
[00:49]  * Hobbsee hears deja vu
[00:49] <humbolt> Hobbsee: a black screen basically. pff
[00:50] <Hobbsee> humbolt: take your trolling elsewhere, please.
[00:50] <bruce89> and preferably not #ubuntu
[00:50] <humbolt> Hobbsee: ok, just wanted you guys to be aware of this "solution" on brainstorm
[00:50]  * hggdh thinks the theme is cool
[00:50] <Hobbsee> humbolt: the developers do look at brainstorm from time to time.
[00:51] <Hobbsee> so, thanks, but people are aware regardless.
[00:51] <bruce89> but usually the "ideas" there are impossible
[00:51] <bruce89> or just wrong
[00:51] <Hobbsee> bruce89: heck yes.
[00:51] <jscinoz> humbolt: see the gnome-themes-ubuntu package, it contains new wave, dust and dust-sand
[00:52] <bruce89> I suspect brainstorm's purpose is to make people think they have an input on the process
[00:52] <bruce89> doesn't stop them moaning mind
[00:52] <Hobbsee> well, sometimes they do.  But i'm sure this is OT.
[00:53] <bruce89> I know, I'll shut up
[00:54] <DaSkreech> Hallo
[00:54] <DaSkreech> Upgrade killed my network card
[00:54] <DaSkreech> Any idea on how to fix it?
[00:55] <Hobbsee> defenestrate it?
[00:55] <Hobbsee> (which one, for a start)
[00:55] <DaSkreech> well it's castrated right now >_>
[00:56] <DaSkreech> I was getting an eth0:avahi with a 169 address
[00:56] <DaSkreech> which I figured wasn't right so I removed avahi-ipups (I think)
[00:57] <DaSkreech> Which gave me back a pure eth0
[00:57] <DaSkreech> which can't see the network or be assigned ip addresses
[00:57]  * fakebruce89 wished there was a #ubuntu-rant
[00:57] <jscinoz> so yeah
[00:57] <jscinoz> sudo is broken :(
[00:57] <DaSkreech> Setting a route also throws a SIOCTRL error
[00:57] <Hobbsee> fakebruce89: +m'd?  That sounds like fun!
[00:57] <DaSkreech> Booting up into a Live CD also cannot see the network
[00:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: atheros, or?
[00:58] <DaSkreech> Umm
[00:58] <DaSkreech> not sure
[00:58] <DaSkreech> Built into the motherboard
[00:58] <DaSkreech> Gimmie a moment
[01:04] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: vt6102 Rhine adapter
[01:04] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hm.  Don't know then
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows if I can test if the card (controller really) is any good
[01:09] <Vorbote> DaSkreech: Hmmm... If the kernel can see the network interface and load the driver, yet there is no chat with the outside world, I would check the the BIOS settings and the cabling before declaring it dead.
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Vorbote: BIOS settings?
[01:10] <DaSkreech> hmm
[01:10] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Vorbote: Swapped over the cable to a new machine and it works
[01:11] <shade34321> so i'm having a bit of a problem with my sound......it's working because whenever somebody signs in or out pidgin plays a sound for me....yet when i went to youtube and tried playing a sound it didnt work....any ideas?
[01:11] <Vorbote> Yes, those VIA Rhine II chipsets are/were very common in cheap integrated mobos made earlier this decade. You can turne them off and on in the BIOS.
[01:11] <DaSkreech> Vorbote: Ok worth a shot
[01:46] <keithclark> Just about to try 9.04....hope all goes well.
[01:46] <DaSkreech> It fried my network card it looks like :(
[01:51] <crdlb> DaSkreech: what makes you think it's physically broken?
[01:51] <DaSkreech> crdlb: I don't know that it is
[01:51] <DaSkreech> but I can't see anything from it regardless of connection or OS
[01:52] <crdlb> oh :/
[01:52] <DaSkreech> Or to be more specific it can't be assigned an ip address it seems
[01:52]  * DaSkreech isn't that great with assigning ipv6 addresses from cli so I don't know if that works
[01:53] <keithclark> DaSkreech, I had the same problem with a laptop card and it was indeed dead.
[01:54] <DaSkreech> damn it
[01:54] <DaSkreech> >_>
[01:54] <DaSkreech> This machine has had a week of failures each cascading into each other
[01:54] <keithclark> My card would see networks but never connect.
[01:54] <keithclark> No matter the os
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Vorbote: Nope seems dead
[01:55] <Vorbote> DaSkreech: It probably is dead. It happened to me recently with an el cheapo D-Link card using a Via Rhine III chipset.
[01:56] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Soooo
[01:56] <DaSkreech> second question
[01:56] <DaSkreech> If I take out the drive and put it in another machine will the initrd prevent me from booting?
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Anyone ? :)
[02:00] <DaSkreech> I know I used to be able to take Linux drives and throw them in any machine regardless of MB and they would work but I think that era is gone by default now correct?
[02:04] <keithclark> So what is everybody's experiences with the latest release of 9.04?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> keithclark: tell you in a little bit :)
[02:04] <DaSkreech> keithclark: honestly I've been running the Live cd for a while
[02:04] <DaSkreech> It's really pretty
[02:04] <thiebaude> keithclark: cant boot because of bug 304871
[02:05] <Vorbote> Not for the weak of heart.
[02:05] <keithclark> Vorbote, no alpha is
[02:06] <DaSkreech> keithclark: Ubuntu's are particularly bad
[02:07] <DaSkreech> IT's not rolling so they are doing crazy upgrades and pullins
[02:07] <DaSkreech> They have a very short time period to settle thigns down but they are also coding brand new thigns and throwing them in
[02:07] <DaSkreech> So it's really a roller coaster
[02:08] <DanaG> I've been trying to set up a Fedora 11 alpha... and if you think Ubuntu is bad, you should try those...
[02:08] <keithclark> rolling upgrades are no different
[02:08] <DanaG> The Fedora 11 alpha... WON'T EVEN INSTALL
[02:08] <keithclark> I tried pclos and it was the same
[02:08] <DanaG> I've been trying for TWO DAYS to get a working F11 partition... but nope, every single install or upgrade route... doesn't work!
[02:08] <xang> I love the Fedora thinking and mission..just can't ever get used to the Fedora spins.
[02:09] <xang> Just loaded 10 a few days ago...just not that impressed.
[02:09] <xang> Jaunty however, has been running pretty well.
[02:09] <DanaG> I can't even get the damned rawhide to install.
[02:09] <keithclark> Well, it's the last alpha, so it should be good.
[02:10] <sebsebseb>  
[02:10] <sebsebseb> hummmmm
[02:10] <sebsebseb> so upgraded my Ibex to Jaunty tonight, but
[02:12] <bruce89> yes?
[02:12] <keithclark> and?
[02:12] <sebsebseb> for a start what idiots removing  log out and shut down from  the  menu,  because it's on that other stupid thing.   Which resulted in me being pissed off,  adding log out buttons to the panel and shut down,  and not being happy where I put them.  and then noticing that  my  panels were all  weird now, because  it woudn't even show what  windows I had open in the usal place.   So  I add this and that to the panels,
[02:12] <sebsebseb> and  my panels are horrible now.
[02:12] <sebsebseb> so I am wondering if there's a way that I can get a more default Gnome look again
[02:12] <sebsebseb> for my panels
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Keep ibex?
[02:13] <xang> right click on panel and select "add to panel"
[02:13] <xang> log out button ?
[02:13] <sebsebseb> I am on the verge of thinking screw menus, just use the terminal as much as possible
[02:13] <xang> :)
[02:13] <sebsebseb> that's something else
[02:13] <sebsebseb> ctrl alt backspace
[02:13] <sebsebseb> no longer works
[02:13] <DaSkreech> sebsebseb: yeah X choice that ubuntu respected
[02:14] <keithclark> ok, remember, alpha
[02:14] <DanaG> I like the SuSE way:
[02:14] <bruce89> sebsebseb: heh
[02:14] <DaSkreech> but I think they didn't have an option to turn it back on
[02:14] <DanaG> ctrl-alt-backspace TWICE kills Xorg.
[02:14] <sebsebseb> DanaG: what's that?
[02:14] <sebsebseb> uh wrong one
[02:14] <DaSkreech> keithclark: no that's supposed to happen
[02:14] <bruce89> sebsebseb: upstream removed cab
[02:14] <Vorbote>  sudo /usr/share/screen-resolution-extra/policy-dontzap.py --disable  fixes that particular detail.
[02:14] <sebsebseb> DaSkreech: what was that?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> DanaG: Yeah But far as I know Ubuntu said no to that
[02:14] <DaSkreech> sebsebseb: What was what?
[02:14] <crdlb> anybody know if there's a gconf key to re-add logout to the system menu?
[02:15] <xang> Option "DontZap" "off"
[02:15] <xang> in xorg.conf
[02:15] <sebsebseb> I replaced two files on upgrade with newer versions, it asked if I wanted to.   I guess  no big deal stuff
[02:15] <crdlb> or use the dontzap command
[02:15] <xang> right.
[02:15] <keithclark> Alpha=Experiment
[02:15] <xang> or you can add that to the server flags section in xorg.conf
[02:15] <keithclark> Beta=Trial
[02:15] <xang> either/or :)
[02:15] <sebsebseb> keithclark: yes, but my panel issue is probably not a bug
[02:15] <keithclark> sebsebseb, not a bug.....trial
[02:16] <keithclark> bugs are for beta
[02:16] <DaSkreech> keithclark: you are really mixing this up :)
[02:16] <Vorbote> In fact it is a bug due to changed settings schemas in gnome-panel.
[02:16] <keithclark> Ok, I will hold back.
[02:16] <DaSkreech> crdlb: There is a don'tzap command ?
[02:16] <sebsebseb> log into my now weird looking KDE or use Xubuntu, and delete the .gnome folders that should do it :d
[02:16] <DaSkreech> sebsebseb: rename
[02:17] <DaSkreech> you'll be thankful later
[02:17] <sebsebseb> DaSkreech: I just want my panels to be default again
[02:17] <sebsebseb> DaSkreech: I have customized them to much now, that it's a big mess
[02:17] <DaSkreech> I know I'm really annoyed I can't logout with the keyboard
[02:17] <DaSkreech> it's messes with me
[02:17] <sebsebseb> yeah that
[02:17] <xang> DaSkreech: sudo dontzap --disable
[02:17] <sebsebseb> and  it's not in the menu
[02:17] <bruce89> DaSkreech: try a bug, but it'll likely be rejected
[02:18] <DaSkreech> xang: I'll remember that for future
[02:18] <sebsebseb> I had to add a freaking log out and shut down button geez
[02:18] <xang> :)
[02:18] <sebsebseb> since I don't want to use the other  thing
[02:18] <DaSkreech> bruce89: Hmm ?
[02:18] <DaSkreech> !zap
[02:18] <sebsebseb> my name  and log  options and stuff
[02:18] <DaSkreech> !dontzap
[02:18] <DaSkreech> xang: Needs a factoid
[02:18] <DaSkreech> bruce89: bug for what ?
[02:19] <bruce89> DaSkreech: the logout menu
[02:19] <Vorbote> a gconftool-2 --recursive-unset '/apps/panel"  and deleting ~/.gnome2/panel.d will reset the panels to the defaults.
[02:19] <sebsebseb> why has KDE4 gone well weird?    I got like a background and I could right click on  desktop for some options, and I also had something on the top right for options
[02:19] <sebsebseb> no panel showing KDE4 anymore
[02:19] <DaSkreech> bruce89: I don't use Gnome so it really doesn't matter to me and I won't be able to follow up
[02:19] <sebsebseb> I   got KDE 4.2  in Ibex with the  ppa or whatever, so anything to do with it?
[02:20] <DaSkreech> sebsebseb: Might want to poke someone in #kubuntu-devel
[02:20] <keithclark> Am I missing something here?  Alpha is for testing things out.  Beta is for bug testing.  Then Release Candidates, then Releases.  Maybe I'm confused.
[02:20] <Vorbote> and make sure to use the right matching quotes, don't cut and paste my example...
[02:20] <DaSkreech> They may want to know what issues peopel with ppa are having going to jackalope
[02:20] <sebsebseb> DaSkreech: your saying what happended to my KDE4 is not normal?
[02:20] <DaSkreech> keithclark: Kinda but this is like a rolling release for 27,000 packages
[02:20] <keithclark> got you.
[02:21] <DaSkreech> keithclark: so look at it in layers
[02:21] <DaSkreech> LTS is releases
[02:21] <keithclark> understood
[02:21] <DaSkreech> stuff inbetween is like alphas betas and release candidates
[02:21] <DaSkreech> which also have alphas betas and release candidates
[02:21] <sebsebseb> LTS is long term supourt releasese 3 years of suppourt on the desktop.   ther other final realeses are 180 months suppourt
[02:21] <sebsebseb> !lts
[02:22] <xang> !dontzap
[02:22] <sebsebseb> standard releases are only suppourted for 180 months
[02:22] <xang> !dontzap is  sudo dontzap --disable
[02:23] <DaSkreech> xang: Ugh please make it more verbose
[02:23] <xang> haha.
[02:23] <keithclark> I think I have it clear now, thanks.
[02:23] <xang> !dontzap is used to enable ctrl-alt-backspace. Simply use the command:  sudo dontzap --disable
[02:23] <DaSkreech> keithclark: so while a new release may come out mostly stable and tested teh features they put can be revoked later on as not quite ready or suitable
[02:24] <xang> DaSkreech: better? :)
[02:24] <DaSkreech> keithclark: Right now that's what we are discussing
[02:24] <DaSkreech> xang: Much better thanks
[02:24] <keithclark> Got it....cool.
[02:24] <DaSkreech> that should help on D-Week
[02:24] <DanaG> Nice double-negative.
[02:24] <DanaG> dontzap..... disable.
[02:24] <thiebaude> DaSkreech: some features might not make it into final
[02:25] <keithclark> Well, I shall see how the latest alpha interacts with my machine in about an hour.
[02:25] <DaSkreech> DanaG: feel free to right one for !zap
[02:25] <keithclark> Should prove interesting
[02:25] <DaSkreech> thiebaude: I know
[02:25] <thiebaude> its going to be exciting
[02:25] <DaSkreech> thiebaude: The joy of hectic cycles :)
[02:25] <DaSkreech> thiebaude: Every single release :)
[02:26] <Vorbote> "sudo /usr/share/screen-resolution-extra/policy-dontzap.py --disable" There is no user end command as of now, yet.
[02:26] <thiebaude> they better hope they get the intel bug squashed by final
[02:26] <DanaG> sudo dontzap --disable
[02:27] <xang> dontzap is in the repos.
[02:27] <DanaG> What are they thinking people should do if Xorg locks up NOW?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> stupid grey default new look for Ubuntu's panels.   the old look was better
[02:27] <DanaG> Hard-reboot?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> also the proper Human theme has gone bye bye?
[02:27] <DanaG> =þ
[02:27] <DaSkreech> DanaG: They will have a graphical tool to fix it
[02:27] <DaSkreech> as I understand the plan
[02:28] <DanaG> Doesn't help you the first time Xorg locks up.
[02:28] <DanaG> =þ
[02:28] <sebsebseb> and that new gdm theme no thanks,  I hate black on computers, except for text basicalley.   I use blubuntu as my gdm :)
[02:28] <thiebaude> i cant wait, because i have an i815 chip
[02:28] <bruce89> sebsebseb: good riddance to Human, it is evil
[02:28] <sebsebseb> I wonder what 9.04 will be like
[02:28] <Vorbote> But not in the meta-packages. That's FAIL in my book.
[02:29] <sebsebseb> I am not putting my expections up to high
[02:29] <DaSkreech> HUmans are inherently evil
[02:29] <DaSkreech> and inherently good
[02:29] <sebsebseb> I might even distro change if 9.04  isn't that great
[02:29] <DaSkreech> It's a great paradox
[02:29] <sebsebseb> and I used Ubuntu since second release as my host
[02:29] <DaSkreech> DanaG: Don't ask me I hate X
[02:29]  * DanaG now has zero closed-source hardware.  =þ
[02:29] <DanaG> wifi card is Intel, and video is ATI.
[02:29] <DaSkreech> DanaG: You have OpenBIOs?
[02:30] <sebsebseb> where are the files that control the panel?
[02:30] <DanaG> To be more correct, I mean, I don't use any binary drivers for any of my hardware.
[02:30] <DanaG> vboxdrv is my only "tainting" thing now.
[02:30] <DaSkreech> DanaG: WHy don't you just run Gnewsense?
[02:30] <DanaG> Can't say I know what that is.
[02:30] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[02:31] <DaSkreech> !gnewsense
[02:31] <DanaG> I do still use non-free things like libdvdcss, though.
[02:31] <keithclark> In Linux does it matter to the speed of a program if you leave it highlighted?
[02:31] <DaSkreech> keithclark: What?
[02:31] <DanaG> focused, you mean?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> DanaG: Strange line to draw :)
[02:32] <keithclark> Ok, I'm upgrading in the background....it says it takes 55 mins.  Does it matter if I use other programs?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> keithclark: no
[02:32] <keithclark> Ah
[02:32] <DanaG> I'd be using fglrx if it weren't just plain BROKEN, though.
[02:32] <bazhang> !resetpanels
[02:32] <DaSkreech> basically anything faster than a PIII will be inconsequential in time difference
[02:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[02:32] <keithclark> Unusual
[02:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620
[02:32] <DanaG> NOT FIXED.
[02:33] <keithclark> Your current program does not get priority?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> keithclark: it does
[02:33] <DaSkreech> but for most programs the user is doing a lot of looking
[02:33] <keithclark> DaSkreech, by how much?
[02:33] <Vorbote> keithclark: no. But cli programs that output lots of text to a terminal emulation can be slowed down a lot. (There using screen and detaching the ttys can help a lot with speed).
[02:33] <DaSkreech> which means that it is not doing anything and the background program is eating the CPU anyway
[02:34] <DaSkreech> the only difference is when you want to do something it readily shifs CPU cycles to it
[02:34] <DaSkreech> shifts
[02:34] <keithclark> like an upgrade
[02:34] <keithclark> Chews enormous cycles
[02:34] <keithclark> and resources
[02:34] <DaSkreech> UNless you are doing heavy processing in the foreground app for the most part it's exactly the same except the background app can't hog the CPU away from your app when you want it
[02:35] <DaSkreech> keithclark: that's the background app
[02:35] <DaSkreech> what's the foreground
[02:35] <keithclark> Web browser
[02:35] <keithclark> chating
[02:35] <DaSkreech> keithclark: you are fine
[02:35] <DaSkreech> those barely use CPU at all
[02:35] <keithclark> cool, thanks.
[02:36]  * bruce89 has issues with BOINC
[02:36] <keithclark> 38 minutes to try 9.04 out!  Should be fun!
[02:37]  * DaSkreech tries to ressurect his card
[02:37] <DanaG> fglrx might as well be a swear word.
[02:37] <keithclark> DanaG, agreed
[02:37] <DaSkreech> fsck it
[02:38] <DanaG> But hey, at least Radeon is getting better and bette all the time.
[02:38] <keithclark> It works eventually
[02:38] <DanaG> And it suspends and resumes basically perfectly reliably on my R600l.
[02:38] <DanaG> RV635, more specifically.
[02:38] <keithclark> ????????????????????
[02:38] <keithclark> Suspend works?
[02:38] <DanaG> nvidia binary was only around 30% reliable when I used it on my old GeForce Go 7600.
[02:38] <keithclark> Hybernate????
[02:38] <DanaG> I'm using the git drm modules and git xf86-video-ati.
[02:38] <DanaG> I use only S2RAM, usually.
[02:39] <DanaG> I just wish it supported power management -- sucking 30 watts on battery is Not Cool.
[02:40] <DanaG> 10 watts more than in WinVista.
[02:40] <keithclark> DanaG, ok, so you can run vista 3 x's longer, but do you want to?
[02:41] <DanaG> I still find myself sticking around in Linux most of the time, though.
[02:41] <DanaG> When I resume from suspend in Windows.. my Intel wifi card tends to break.
[02:41] <keithclark> I was joking....I understand 100%!
[02:41] <keithclark> I'm trying to convert my family here.
[02:42] <DanaG> I just fear the high power usage will actually AGE my battery prematurely.
[02:42] <keithclark> Yes it will
[02:44] <sebsebseb> well with my panels reset
[02:44] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu looks a bit better
[02:44] <keithclark> cool!
[02:44] <sebsebseb> ,but what is this,  No Indicators nonsense?  apparnatlly something to do with Pidgin and evoloution
[02:45] <ripps> How do I remove xfce4? I installed xubuntu-desktop in intrepid, but now, in jaunty, I want to remove it. Removing xubuntu-desktop doesn't seem to do the job.
[02:45] <keithclark> oh man....upgrade aborted.
[02:45] <keithclark> 25 mins to go.
[02:45] <keithclark> I will just have to wait!
[02:45] <bruce89> sebsebseb: remove indicator-applet
[02:45] <sebsebseb> what is it though
[02:45] <sebsebseb> and how do I remove it?
[02:46] <bruce89> sebsebseb: it's part of Ubuntu's messing up of GNOME
[02:46] <ripps> indicator applet replaces the new mail notification icon, and I imagine it'll do the same thing with other programs, probably more in the future.
[02:46] <bruce89> uninstall the package
[02:48] <keithclark> I don't think it stopped.
[02:48] <dtchen> any brave souls running 64-bit - feel free to try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/ and tell me how it fares with PulseAudio
[02:49] <keithclark> I'm stuck on 25 mins to go
[02:50] <Halow> I'll try the kernel out in the morning, when I'm free to make threats at my computer without fear of waking anyone up. :)
[02:51] <keithclark> Ok, is it closing down?
[02:51] <keithclark> Stuck on 25 mins. for 25 mins.
[02:53] <keithclark> Ok, maybe I should just abort?
[02:56] <keithclark> Ok, what to do here....the 25 min. mark will just not go away
[02:57] <keithclark> Ok, thanks
[02:58] <Milosz> how can I enable the new notification bubbles?
[02:58] <bruce89> they should be there anyway
[02:58] <Milosz> hmm ok then how can I invoke one?
[02:59] <Milosz> what apps would produce one?
[02:59] <bruce89> rhythmbox, this IRC client maybe
[02:59] <bruce89> notify-send
[02:59] <Halow> Pidgin sure makes a lot of them come up. ;P
[03:00] <bruce89> and Empathy
[03:00] <Milosz> doesn't work
[03:00] <keithclark> Ok, anyone with why my installation will not go beyond 25%
[03:00] <thiebaude> Halow: that would drive me nuts
[03:00] <Halow> It does! Thank goodness you can turn it off.
[03:00] <fosco_> Milosz, change sound volume, connect to a network, play something with gnome-mplayer...
[03:01] <Milosz> nope
[03:01] <sebsebseb> the new IRC  client hummmmmmm I gave it a go
[03:01] <sebsebseb> ,but it's like wtf
[03:01] <sebsebseb> how I put logs on
[03:01] <sebsebseb> I'll just use konversation again :D
[03:01] <Milosz> it all works just like on 8.10
[03:01] <bruce89> Milosz: count yourself lucky
[03:01] <Milosz> i wanted to evaluate that feature, it's not like i'm just hot on new functionality
[03:01] <bruce89> !info notify-osd
[03:02] <bruce89> sebsebseb: quassel
[03:02] <thiebaude> pop ups like wndows
[03:02] <Milosz> i think it's great that the dx team took this not from another OS but developed it as an own idea, but I am not fully sure yet whether the actual implementation is so good
[03:02]  * bruce89 thought it was straight from Vista
[03:03] <Milosz> is it?
[03:03] <Halow> Nah. In Vista you can still close them. :)
[03:03] <Milosz> i don't think so
[03:03] <sebsebseb> bruce89: yep
[03:03] <Milosz> but I also know nothing about Vista
[03:03] <bruce89> not do I
[03:03] <keithclark> does anyone have the same experience with the install stalling at 25 minutes to go?
[03:03] <bruce89> my brother said that it sounded like it though
[03:03] <Halow> Used to dual boot with it. It drove me to... explore my options. Thank goodness Ubuntu!
[03:04] <Milosz> keithclark, are you sure update-manager didn't show you an error and you didn't see that (modal dialog?) ?
[03:04] <keithclark> No error
[03:04] <Halow> keithclark: Are you doing a clean install? Or upgrade?
[03:04] <bruce89> try queueing a whole load of notifications and see what happens
[03:04] <keithclark> Hard drive still working
[03:04] <keithclark> Halow, upgrade
[03:05] <Halow> Whoops!
[03:06] <Milosz> meh I'm happy my system survived the update to 9.04
[03:06] <Milosz> somehow it also improved my font and Gtk+ theme settings
[03:06] <Milosz> great my media player crashed
[03:23] <Cycom> dtchen: I may have occasion to test your x64 build. I'm installing Jaunty on my primary desktop
[03:24] <Cycom> Vista suddenly decided USB didn't want to work, so I'm like "screw it, LINUX TIME!"
[03:24] <Cycom> I just have to make sure cedega can run L4D and I'm allll set.
[03:26]  * DanaG has R600, and can't use fglrx because it panics.  =þ
[03:26] <DanaG> So, no 3D for meeeee.
[03:26] <Cycom> bummer.
[03:26] <Cycom> ati/radeon driver no workie?
[03:27] <DanaG> radeon doesn't do 3D on R600 right now.
[03:27] <DanaG> The 2D it does do, it does damn stably, though.
[03:30] <dtchen> Cycom: i can start a 32-bit build, but it won't finish for another six hours
[03:31] <DanaG> Too bad wine / cedega can't do surround sound.
[03:31] <DanaG> It also doesn't play well with PulseAudio.
[03:31] <dtchen> that's just a matter of time
[03:31] <DanaG> And I do insist on running stuff through PulseAudio.
[03:33] <picklesworth> Just had an intereting discovery...
[03:34] <picklesworth> my grub's menu.lst had the new kernel versions added, but they were being sorted alphabetically and the default was set rather unintelligently
[03:34] <picklesworth> thus it was still booting 2.6.28-9 even though I had -11 installed
[03:35] <picklesworth> Removing everything except -10 and -11 solved the issue with least risk posed, but I wonder if that error is widespread?
[03:35] <Halow> Oops.
[03:35] <Halow> That's strange.
[03:35] <picklesworth> (I swear it didn't do that before)
[03:35] <Halow> It's never done that to me.
[03:35] <picklesworth> Indeed, since booting the new kernel my sound is behaving sensibly, it booted way quicker and I have the new usplash on startup
[03:36] <picklesworth> Maybe it's because I tinkered with menu.lst at one point to set nosplash by default
[03:36] <picklesworth> Could have confused it
[03:38] <picklesworth> Eeek! Crazy Pidgin quits when I close it without a notification area icon. Again rendering the message indicator hopelessly redundant
[03:39] <Halow> Ew. It didn't just spawn up the buddy list? That's what happens to me in Intrepid. =/
[03:40] <Cycom> dtchen: go for it. if it finishes, I'll put a netbook up to 9.04 and try it on there. my 1030nr is back to 8.10, but I don't mind upgrading to 9.04 again.
[03:42] <dtchen> Cycom: ok, it won't be available until tomorrow night, probably, since i'm away for work.
[03:43] <Cycom> no problem :) I'm patient
[03:44] <Cycom> ext4 ok for / ?
[03:53] <Starcraftmazter> Ever since the updates 1-2 days ago, the sound in all my music files / video files degenerates into static, part way through (the exact time is arbitrary), and playback lags up during the changeover, which is usually a few seconds. Are there any broken sound packages or anything?
[03:59] <dtchen> Starcraftmazter: yes, that's pulseaudio.
[03:59] <dtchen> if you're running 64-bit, you can test my patches.
[03:59] <Starcraftmazter> will there be a fix sometime soon?
[03:59] <Starcraftmazter> 32bit, unfortunately :(
[04:00] <dtchen> i'm building a 32-bit kernel.
[04:00] <dtchen> it will be ~6 hrs
[04:00] <dtchen> see bug 330814 if you're wondering
[04:01] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:01] <EruditeHermit> does anyone here have ATI cards using jaunty?
[04:01] <joshua_> hi
[04:01] <EruditeHermit> hi
[04:01] <joshua_> ok after adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu to my sources, is there anyway to update all my current kde3 applications to their appropriate kde4 versions all at once? or do I have to uninstall amarok kde3 for example and reinstall amarok kde4?
[04:02] <Starcraftmazter> thanks
[04:36] <Delvien> Is there any work around for no-sound yet?
[04:43] <dtchen> Delvien: can you be more specific?
[04:43] <dtchen> Cycom: still around?
[04:45] <Delvien> dtchen: Well, I have no sound, alsa does not work, pulseaudio does not work, OSS doesnt even work.
[04:46] <dtchen> Delvien: please run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[04:47] <Delvien> dtchen: Do you want to run this script? [y/n] : read: 298: Illegal option -e
[04:47] <dtchen> Delvien: it's a bash script; run it explicitly as one
[04:48] <Delvien> I thought I was... lol
[04:48] <Delvien> sh name.sh
[04:48] <Delvien> ./name.sh?
[04:48] <Delvien> there we are
[04:48] <Delvien> my bad
[04:48] <Delvien> 2~
[04:49] <Delvien> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=99b424d6843bf95d7da5aaf57534ebeaa151d18b
[04:51] <dtchen> Delvien: check your mixer elements
[04:51] <dtchen> quite a few are muted and zeroed
[04:51] <Delvien> I have, alsamixer and gnomealsa mixer all show everything 100%
[04:51] <dtchen> namely, 'Headphone', 'Surround', 'Center', 'LFE'
[04:52] <dtchen> i guarantee you not everything is 100%
[04:52] <dtchen> just look at your amixer output
[04:53] <Delvien> dtchen
[04:53] <Delvien> http://www.reidthegeek.com/hosted/Screenshot.png
[04:54] <crdlb> PCM got muted here somehow today ... I felt pretty dumb when I finally spotted that
[04:54] <o0Chris0o> alot of ppl are having sound problems with jaunty, including me, the sound is static, don't hear nothing but static
[04:54] <dtchen> Delvien: no, seriously, reconcile your screenshot with your amixer output.
[04:54] <Delvien> hmm
[04:54] <DanaG> grr, damned Plymouth.
[04:55] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: fresh install or dist-upgrade from intrepid?
[04:55] <DanaG> Fancy new bootsplash thing for jaunty+1... doesn't friggin' work.
[04:55] <Delvien> now i hear nothing but static
[04:55] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: dist-upgrade from intrepid
[04:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and PulseAudio keeps aborting.  aborting.  aborting.  aborting.  aborting.  aborting.
[04:55] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: 1) make sure PCM and Master are not muted or zero
[04:55] <DanaG> over and over.  and over.  and over.
[04:55] <crdlb> DanaG: I guess it's good that's still +2 then ... :)
[04:56] <Delvien> haha, i win
[04:56] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: 2) make sure your stream isn't set to use the RTP sink. you can use pavucontrol to verify.
[04:56] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: alsamixer right?
[04:56] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: either way
[04:56] <dtchen> DanaG: are you running my kernel?
[04:56] <Delvien> it kept resetting what was muted.
[04:56] <o0Chris0o> pcm allt he way up? it was on 0
[04:56] <DanaG> I'm running the vanilla 2.6.29 kernels.
[04:57] <DanaG> It's just as broken with a custom radeon-KMS kernel, though.
[04:57] <dtchen> the vanilla kernel doesn't have the requisite fix for PA
[04:57] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: what should the PCM volume bet set as?
[04:58] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: 77%-80% at least
[04:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, and still missing changelogs in update-manager.
[04:59] <dtchen> DanaG: i can't help w/ plymouth at this point, but i can with linux & pulseaudio
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: ok done, I got some volume....I thought I did this already...hmm
[04:59] <DanaG> Hmm, which kernel should I use?
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: what about surround? center? LFE?
[04:59] <dtchen> choose whichever is appropriate from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[05:00] <dtchen> Cycom: posted at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[05:01] <DanaG> I prefer 2.6.29, because it supports things like my HP accelerometer.
[05:03] <crdlb> just don't drop it
[05:03] <DanaG> Anything else special in that kernel build?
[05:05] <d1b> hi what versinos of arm is jaunty compiled for (i note the armel).
[05:05] <d1b> version*
[05:08] <dtchen> DanaG: it has a few things specifically for audio, nothing else
[05:08] <dtchen> i really don't have enough resources to address everyone's pet bugs
[05:29] <Delvien> I love the notifications
[05:29] <Delvien> -love- them
[05:30] <Cycom> man, grub to login in 22 seconds
[05:31] <DanaG> zyargh, stupid HAL doesn't know how to deal with eSATA drives.
[05:31] <DanaG> It doesn't auto-mount them.
[05:38] <Delvien> cycom im getting about 15 on my laptop, 17 on my desktop
[05:38] <Cycom> well, it might be faster, I'm just counting in my head
[05:38] <Delvien> cycom
[05:38] <Delvien> :D
[05:39]  * DanaG has about a 30-second boot.
[05:44] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[05:52] <Cycom> haha! guess what the biggest memory hog on my system is right now?
[05:52] <Cycom> gowan, guess!
[05:58] <jithine> one question. will kubuntu jaunty include kde 4.2.2 when its released on april 1st
[06:08] <gnomefreak> jithine: right now version is 4.2.1 i doubt 4.2.2 will make it but im not sure if they got an exception. Most of time kubuntu team PPA's have next release
[06:09] <jithine> ok
[06:09] <crdlb> don't stable point releases usually get added?
[06:09] <crdlb> or is kde misusing the point release? :)
[06:22] <jithine> kde 4.2.2 has some bug fixes . Currently apps like gewnview cannot open files if the file name or the path contains non english characters
[06:22] <jithine> they have fixed it in 4.2.2
[06:24] <jithine> so I think its imprtant to have jauntu to include this release.
[06:30] <stefano-palazzo> When i make inkscape full screen and hover over something to get a tool tip, the screen flickers, could somebody try to replicate this before i file a bug?
[06:38] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: you get a flash of the wallpaper?
[06:39] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb, hang on, i need to change my wallpaper to check :-)
[06:39] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb, yes i do
[06:40] <crdlb> it's a side-effect of 'unredirect fullscreen windows' in compiz
[06:40] <crdlb> I don't know if it's avoidable
[06:41] <stefano-palazzo> mh.. it was never a problem for me, only since jaunty. and i havent changed anything between that other than the upgrade.
[06:41] <crdlb> maybe the default value for that setting has changed
[06:43] <stefano-palazzo> where would i find that?
[06:43] <crdlb> the setting?
[06:43] <stefano-palazzo> yes
[06:43] <crdlb> ccsm > General Options > General
[06:43] <stefano-palazzo> i have compizconfig open, can't find anything about fullscreen
[06:49] <DanaG> wtf... somehow I just lost a whole folder full of music.
[06:49] <DanaG> Granted, it was only one album's worth, and I have it somewhere else, but it's still annoying.
[06:49] <DanaG> I think it happened when I hit 'delete' to remove it from the playlist in totem.
[06:50] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb, i've found it and the problem's fixed, guess my tweaking around had something to do with it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> DanaG: er, yes.  delete probably does.  But did you check trash?
[06:50] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: so turning it off fixed it?
[06:50] <DanaG> Not in trash, it seems.
[06:51] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb, yes it did. do you know if this is set to true by default? idon't really understand what it does, but turning it off made everything better
[06:51] <crdlb> it is
[06:51] <stefano-palazzo> so that's a bug then?
[06:53] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: it appears to have been enabled by default in the hardy box I'm sshed into too
[06:54] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb,so  that means that not the setting itself is a problem, but rather something else i've going on
[06:56] <stefano-palazzo> DanaG, i've tried it out, it didn't delete anything here (thank god for that..) are you completely up to date? can you trigger this behaviour?
[06:56] <DanaG> It might've been when I was booted into a Fedora install.
[06:56] <J-_> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18694/
[06:57] <stefano-palazzo> J-_, i like it the way it is, actually
[06:58] <stefano-palazzo> DanaG, this would be a very hard mistake to make when programming as well, deleting files from the hard drive is much more involved than what's supposed to happen, so i imagine it'd be very unlikely indeed that it's a bug in totem
[07:00] <DanaG> It might've been a case of me having the wrong thing have keyboard focus.
[07:00] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: what GPU do you have?
[07:00] <stefano-palazzo> crdlb, it's an Intel somethingorother
[07:01] <stefano-palazzo> that's the correct model name :-)
[07:06] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/153204
[07:06] <crdlb> I don't think it's actually been fixed in jaunty ;)
[07:07] <crdlb> particularly when a compiz dev just confirmed that it's expected
[07:08] <J-_> stefano-palazzo: Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. :)
[07:09] <crdlb> unfortunately, I don't think notification clients currently pass a window id
[07:09] <stefano-palazzo> J-_, well, the notification settings panel has two option on it, i suppose it would be okay to add it as an option
[07:10] <J-_> stefano-palazzo: Where can I see the two options?
[07:11] <stefano-palazzo> J-_, System → Settings → Notifications or something like that
[07:11] <crdlb> confirmed, the only info about the sender passed to the notification daemon is an app name string, which is completely arbitrary
[07:11] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: that's for the upstream notification-daemon
[07:11] <crdlb> notify-osd is 100% unconfigurable
[07:11] <stefano-palazzo> i see
[07:12] <asraniel_> hi there. any idea why the mouse middle click (open in new tab), does not work for me anymore since jaunty?
[07:13]  * DanaG has RV635, and happens to not be able to use fglrx.
[07:15] <stefano-palazzo> asraniel, try chaning middlemouse.contentLoadURL in about:config to false, see if that helps
[07:17] <asraniel_> stefano-palazzo: there is no about:config in konqueror. strangely enough the middle click button seems to work for copy paste etc in other applications. but not in konqueror
[07:17] <stefano-palazzo> asraniel_, sorry, i thought you were using firefox. and ubuntu :-)
[07:18] <asraniel> stefano-palazzo: no problem. But i found a open bugreport about it
[07:19] <stefano-palazzo> is epiphany-webkit supposed to work in jaunty by the way?
[07:19] <stefano-palazzo> because it reports broken dependencies for me
[07:19] <crdlb> stefano-palazzo: that probably shouldn't even be there
[07:20] <crdlb> it should finally be ready for 2.28 :)
[07:20] <stefano-palazzo> i'm looking forward to it
[07:21] <stefano-palazzo> for some reason i havent bothered to investigate, the fonts in webkit* are really small for me, and i love that
[07:24] <VSpike> I find whenever I have one of the big batches of updates (kernel, Xorg) my machine hangs/crashes during the update... if I drop out of X or go single user, the update goes smoothly
[07:24] <VSpike> Anyone else see this?
[07:24] <VSpike> Happened about 3 or 4 times now
[07:25] <stefano-palazzo> VSpike, do you have a massive amount of packages installed? or little hard drive space left?
[07:26] <VSpike> I don't think so to either.. let me check
[07:26] <asraniel> anybody using kubuntu with a wireless network?
[07:28] <VSpike> stefano-palazzo: any easy way to count packages installed? :)
[07:29] <stefano-palazzo> VSpike,  "dpkg-query -l | wc -l"
[07:29] <VSpike> thx
[07:29] <VSpike> 2096 packages installed, 1.5G free
[07:30] <stefano-palazzo> that sounds reasonable, i have 2256
[07:30] <stefano-palazzo> 1.5G free is a littel on the low side, but i don't think it should be the cause of your trouble
[07:30] <stefano-palazzo> how much ram does your machine have?
[07:31] <VSpike> my instinct is that it's either kernel or X update that crashes the machine, and probably the latter.  I get screen garbage when it crashes
[07:31] <VSpike> 1.5G
[07:31] <stefano-palazzo> that should be enough as well
[07:31] <stefano-palazzo> An update of x shoudln't do anything other than replace some files
[07:32] <stefano-palazzo> the kernel regenerates an image on upgrade, but it also shouldn't do anything of impact to your running session, i think
[07:35] <VSpike> stefano-palazzo: agreed, it never has in the past
[07:35] <stefano-palazzo> other than doing an apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove, i'm all out of ideas
[07:36] <stefano-palazzo> it took me about a year to finally do an apt-get clean, and at that point it has freed up about 1.5 gb of disk space, so not a bad idea :-)
[07:50] <LordKow> wow what an onslaught of updates... must be beta freeze today
[07:52] <stefano-palazzo> i'm doing them now, fingers crossed once again
[07:54] <LordKow> none of them are major updates... everything went fine here
[07:54] <LordKow> i noticed that the artwork team fine-tuned the gdm theme slightly
[07:54] <stefano-palazzo> xserver-xorg-core :-)
[07:54] <LordKow> oh some new wallpaper too
[07:55] <stefano-palazzo> oh thats a good point, does anyone else find the new gdm theme the ugliest thing the world has ever seen?
[07:55] <stefano-palazzo> i certainly do
[07:55] <LordKow> im fine with it
[07:55] <DanaG> Yeah, the box is an ugly one.
[07:55] <LordKow> yea the box didnt help
[07:55] <DanaG> Didn't the background change a bit, too?
[07:55] <LordKow> yes.. if you're talking about the desktop bg
[07:55] <DanaG> Nah, the GDM background.
[07:56] <LordKow> well. the new one has always been just black
[07:56] <zniavre> DanaG:  they add a small box ?
[07:56] <LordKow> yea.
[07:56] <DaemonDEB> hmmm, Jaunty's realtime kernel freezes often, I ended up making my own 2.6.29-rc8 B-)
[07:56] <DaemonDEB> *sigh*
[07:56] <LordKow> the coloring on the usplash theme is a little weird too.
[07:56] <stefano-palazzo> i think the new gdm theme looks like i made it. rubbish
[07:57] <DaemonDEB> I prefer the Dust theme
[07:57] <LordKow> whatever. they *should* switch to plymouth soon but who knows given that nvidia refuses to support KMS
[07:57] <DaemonDEB> though it's about time they changed that ugly boot screen
[07:57] <LordKow> and the new one is any better?
[07:57] <DaemonDEB> old one looked like crap on my monitor
[07:57] <DanaG> I tried plymouth from PPA.
[07:57] <DaemonDEB> yeah, the new one looks much better
[07:58] <DanaG> I liked the Human-esque usplash better than the new thin line one.
[07:58] <DanaG> Oh, and Plymouth does NOTHING.
[07:58] <DanaG> Just goes to text mode.
[07:58] <stefano-palazzo> what i really want for booting is something thats active the whole time, from grub to desktop
[07:58] <LordKow> yea that would be lack of KMS or a proper VGA setting, DanaG
[07:58] <DaemonDEB> DanaG: You have to set your resolution B-)
[07:58] <DanaG> Not true, actually.
[07:58] <DaemonDEB> use vga=ask
[07:58] <DanaG> I built a radeon KMS kernel.... still no go.
[07:58] <LordKow> has to be a vesa mode.
[07:58] <DaemonDEB> then copy the hex code to replace ask in your boot line
[07:58] <DaemonDEB> then run update-grub
[07:58] <DanaG> I also did plymouth:debug on grub menu, and it did this:"
[07:59] <DanaG> It completely disregarded the default SOLAR plugin...
[07:59] <LordKow> DaemonDEB, you shouldnt need to update-grub when changing a boot param.
[07:59] <DanaG> ... and just loaded details.so.
[07:59] <DanaG> .... which is TEXT MODE.
[07:59] <DaemonDEB> Plymouth is pretty neat, the Fedora boot sceen is a blue sun with flares coming up out of it
[07:59] <DanaG> How stupid.
[07:59] <DaemonDEB> very eye-candy
[07:59] <DanaG> It even explicitly said, "loading details.
[07:59] <DanaG> details.so"
[07:59] <DanaG> how about ***** loading SOLAR?
[07:59] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:59] <DaemonDEB> LordKow: If you don't, it'll go back to text next time you update the kernel
[07:59] <LordKow> i must say Fedora's plymouth is badass
[08:00] <DaemonDEB> of course I refuse to run distribution kernels
[08:00] <DanaG> So, I've just gone back to usplash.
[08:00] <DaemonDEB> I always build my own unless I'm on a Fedora system
[08:00] <LordKow> DaemonDEB, i changed my vga= setting in menu.lst a long time ago and have done many kernel updates since then and the vga command is still there. you do have to change deb's grub update settings (which are in menu.lst) also
[08:01] <stefano-palazzo> which works great if your resolution is supported, which mine isnt :-)
[08:01] <LordKow> # defoptions=quiet splash <-- that one
[08:01] <DanaG> I must have bad video karma.
[08:01] <DaemonDEB> I've come across a lot of Ubuntu-specific kernel issues, usually resulting from the patently stupid things they do to their "generic" kernel, heh
[08:01] <DanaG> Plymouth does nothing (or rather, uses details view only).
[08:01] <DanaG> fglrx.... has ALWAYS panic'd for me, even in Intrepid.
[08:02] <DanaG> So, I stick with usplash and plain'ol radeon.
[08:02] <DanaG> Though I do build the drm modules from git.
[08:02] <LordKow> do i still need to put rootfstype=ext4 ?
[08:02] <DaemonDEB> I don't clone git for anything
[08:03] <DaemonDEB> well, especially not the kernel, if I need something bad enough there will at least be a release candidate soon that has it, that is at least known to build
[08:03] <DanaG> I use the packaged 2.6.29 kernels.
[08:04] <DanaG> Gives me support for my HP accelerometer / freefall sensor.
[08:04] <DaemonDEB> I didn't think much about Ext4 til I decided to try it out just now
[08:04] <DaemonDEB> I usually go with XFS
[08:04] <DanaG> I wish I could speed up my boot, though.
[08:04] <crdlb> lol
[08:04] <LordKow> personally, i'll wait for 2.6.30. i remember linux saying ext4 was stable just prior to 2.6.28 release. i could name off the list of major ext4 fixes since 2.6.28 but it would be a very long list.
[08:04] <crdlb> if you're used to XFS, I guess ext4 is safe enough ...
[08:04] <DaemonDEB> Ext3 is painfully slow when you're unpacking tarballs with lots of directories
[08:04] <DanaG> you seen this?
[08:05] <stefano-palazzo> Exactly what performance boost can you expect with ext4 on any system other than a server thats constantly bombared?
[08:05] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE1MA
[08:05] <LordKow> ext4 works exactly how it was intended to be. people just dont understand the whole power-loss/computer hardlock data loss issue.
[08:05] <DaemonDEB> Phoronix is crap
[08:05] <DaemonDEB> those people are complete morons
[08:05] <LordKow> they think its the filesystem not working right but no it's working fine. the fact is your computer frooze or lost power before the journal was written.
[08:05] <DaemonDEB> their file system benchmarks were jsut flat out wrong
[08:05] <DanaG> Also moronic reviews: benchmark an SSD... without timing the frickin' boot time.
[08:05] <LordKow> so either (a) someone is complaining about hdd thrashing because the journal is being updated every second or (b) they're complaining about data loss when the journal is updated say... every 60 seconds
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> they don't even know how to interpret Bonie++ results
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> and they uild a "test suite"
[08:06] <DanaG> I mean, that's one of the SINGLE BIGGEST benefits of an SSD!
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> scary.......
[08:06]  * DanaG sets his commit time to 15 minutes.
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> *build
[08:06] <DanaG> Lets laptop-mode-tools work nicely.
[08:06] <DanaG> Too bad RADEON eats all my power.
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> first of all, the file system tests they claim to have done, Ext3 is not even capable of
[08:06] <LordKow> make a backup of / and extract it unto an ext3 partition followed by an ext4 partition. you will definitely notice the difference.
[08:06] <DaemonDEB> under the most ideal of circumstances
[08:07] <stefano-palazzo> i'm wondering if i should use ext4 on my laptop
[08:07]  * DanaG uses faubackup for backups.
[08:07] <DaemonDEB> yeah, Ext4 is good
[08:07] <LordKow> i use tar
[08:07] <DanaG> Backup volume is ext3 for safety.
[08:07] <DaemonDEB> Ext4 or XFS, either one will do fine
[08:07] <crdlb> XFS on a laptop is really dumb ...
[08:07] <DaemonDEB> Jaunty can have /boot on XFS now too
[08:07] <DaemonDEB> (bonus)
[08:07] <VSpike> stefano-palazzo: I did one of those recently :) But thanks for the suggestions
[08:07] <stefano-palazzo> maybe with ext4, i will stop aborting fsck every single time ;)
[08:07] <LordKow> well there is a bug i should probably submit wrt pidgin
[08:08] <DaemonDEB> not really
[08:08] <DaemonDEB> the XFS zeroing files myth is wrong
[08:08] <LordKow> apparently AIM's buddy list is unavailable right now and the window title is "Untitled window" and it keeps popping up new ones every 20 seconds. currently sitting at 10 open windows
[08:08] <DaemonDEB> it had a data loss bug a long time ago that has been fixes
[08:08] <crdlb> well, it's probably better than on an non-UPS-protected desktop, since you at least have a battery
[08:08] <DaemonDEB> that was wrongly explained as "zeroing files for security reasons on a crash"
[08:08] <DaemonDEB> *fixed
[08:09] <stefano-palazzo> well, if i should really lose 60 seconds of work, due to an unlikely power off on a laptop with a battery....
[08:09] <DaemonDEB> Ext3 has had more serious corruption bugs than that
[08:09] <DaemonDEB> and nobody has tried to spread FUD about Ext3
[08:09] <crdlb> ext3 is very reliable ...
[08:09] <DaemonDEB> hah
[08:09] <crdlb> slow, yes
[08:09] <crdlb> but I've been using it since 2002; I can hang on a little while longer
[08:10] <DaemonDEB> Ext3 is slow, wastes tons of disk space, is prone to fragmentation, has a horrible block allocation algorithm......
[08:10] <DaemonDEB> and is quite easy to corrupt
[08:10] <DaemonDEB> you should not trust any file system enough to have important data that's not backed up
[08:10] <DaemonDEB> bottom line
[08:10] <crdlb> of course
[08:10] <DaemonDEB> because any fs is perfectly capable of eating everything
[08:10] <crdlb> but I don't want to push it
[08:11] <stefano-palazzo> everyone was raving on about the speed benefits of MurderFS as well, and i couldn't notice a difference when i tried it
[08:11] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/
[08:11] <DanaG> my bootcharts.
[08:11] <DaemonDEB> ReiserFS is/was better than Ext3 in a number of ways, where it fell short was mainly due to relying on the Big Kernel Lock
[08:11] <DaemonDEB> which meant it didn't scale well on multiprocessor systems
[08:12] <VSpike> I been running ext4 in my arch linux install on my laptop for a couple of months without a hitch. Subjectively no noticeable difference in speed but I haven't attempted to time boots or benchmark
[08:12] <DanaG> Hmm, what's a good FS for an actual backup VOLUME?
[08:12] <DaemonDEB> Reiser4 has a number of very good ideas as well, these have even been copied for Ext4 to some degree
[08:12] <maco> kwin's compositing: broken for everyone or just me?
[08:12] <DaemonDEB> and to Btrfs to a larger degree
[08:13] <DaemonDEB> DanaG: Ext4 in theory is what I'd use
[08:13] <DaemonDEB> in practice it is still new
[08:13] <DaemonDEB> Ext4 has exposed some application bugs with its delayed allocation
[08:13] <DanaG> I'm currently leaving my backup volume as ext3.
[08:13] <stefano-palazzo> DanaG, usplash is using a lot of cpu time isn't it
[08:14] <DaemonDEB> so they're already going to hobble the file system in Linux 2.6.30
[08:14] <DanaG> Beats me, actually.
[08:14] <DanaG> I use data=journal on my / and /home, also.
[08:14] <LordKow> bug #345774 submitted
[08:14] <DaemonDEB> I use writeback journaling
[08:14] <DaemonDEB> Ext4 supports that
[08:14] <maco> LordKow: you beat me to it
[08:14] <DaemonDEB> it also supports no journaling B-)
[08:15] <stefano-palazzo> LordKow, this started to happen for me just a minute ago, funny that
[08:15]  * maco subscribes
[08:15] <DaemonDEB> if you use Linux 2.6.29
[08:15] <LordKow> stefano-palazzo, can you confirm it then? :D
[08:15] <maco> i think aim's servers are offline so we all hit it
[08:15] <stefano-palazzo> of course
[08:15] <LordKow> you too maco :D
[08:15] <DanaG> I'm on 2.6.29.
[08:15] <LordKow> glad that happened before release. that is a memory eater
[08:16] <maco> done
[08:16] <maco> oh it turns into a memory leak?
[08:16] <LordKow> well it is in a way
[08:16] <DaemonDEB> I built my kernel realtime, optimized for Core 2 Duo, HZ=1000
[08:16] <maco> i thought it was just an annoying number of popups to see
[08:16] <DaemonDEB> it's how Quake Wars suggests you build it
[08:16] <DaemonDEB> does seem to work better
[08:16] <LordKow> maco, the point is as long as the aim buddy list is not available pidgin will continue to create a new window every x seconds.
[08:17] <maco> right
[08:17] <LordKow> imagine someone who leaves pidgin open 24/7 and aim is down for an entire night...
[08:17] <maco> i was thinking itd just become *visually* annoying
[08:17] <LordKow> they come back in the morning with a full swap and like 1245012354 untitled window's
[08:17] <maco> i didnt consider that itd be an added memory leak
[08:17] <maco> eh itd get OOM killed if it filled swap
[08:18] <LordKow> i wonder if this affects hardy and intrepid.
[08:18] <DanaG> Why does Ubuntu not use 1000Hz?
[08:18] <DanaG> I figure it might mean something even with NO_HZ kernels.
[08:18] <stefano-palazzo> gotta reboot
[08:18] <maco> DanaG: was asked recently on kernel-team list
[08:18] <stefano-palazzo> feels just like in the olden days this :-) bbiam
[08:18] <maco> i think something about the rate being variable at runtime?
[08:19] <maco> ill check my email
[08:21] <eeg3> How do I disable the new notification system in jaunty?
[08:21] <DaemonDEB> DanaG: I assume it's gotten something to do with their "generic" kernel idea
[08:21] <DanaG> !info gnome-stracciatella-session
[08:21] <DanaG> =þ
[08:21] <DaemonDEB> that they can just make 2 kernels that kind of work, most of the time
[08:21] <DaemonDEB> B-)
[08:21] <DanaG> When it makes Pulseaudio abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort... abort...
[08:21] <DanaG> that sucks.
[08:22] <DaemonDEB> Ubuntu and Fedora are currently the only distributions that have Pulseaudio to where it works most of the time
[08:22] <DaemonDEB> if you use it on most other distributions you get all kinds of trouble
[08:22] <eeg3> There has to be a way to turn this off, I've never been more annoyed in my life by 902832873 notifications queued up from Pidgin...
[08:22] <DanaG> Oh yeahzz, I wish Ubuntu could auto-mount eSATA like it does with USB and Firewire.
[08:23] <DanaG> I currently have to MANUALLY click it in nautilus to mount it,
[08:23] <DanaG> .
[08:24] <stefano-palazzo> can someone explain this indicator-applet business?
[08:24] <DaemonDEB> I *tried to make Pulseaudio work on Debian Lenny, they still have the old broken one
[08:24] <DaemonDEB> and their webcam tools in the repo are too old to really want to work with my webcam
[08:24] <DaemonDEB> other than that I would have stayed
[08:26] <DaemonDEB> All of a sudden, many distributions are now allowing you to have /boot on XFS (including Jaunty)
[08:26] <asraniel> hi there. does the mocrophone work for anybody in skype with ubuntu 9.04 ?
[08:27] <DaemonDEB> I'm thinking that they finalyl stopped having to be stupid with their GRUB settings to accommodate Ext4
[08:27] <DaemonDEB> I don't use skype
[08:29] <maco> DanaG: mmm yeah, i think tickless is why
[08:29] <stefano-palazzo> is the indicator-applet meant to be a replacement for the 'systray' (don't know what its called in english, application names of gnome components are localized)
[08:29] <maco> stefano-palazzo: instead of every application cluttering up the notification area individually, we're having a unified place to say that you have IMs and emails
[08:30] <stefano-palazzo> maco, that sounds quite nice actually. if only xchat and gpodder would support it :-)
[08:30] <maco> stefano-palazzo: normal notifications will still go in the notification area, but this way you dont have 2 IM clients and a mail client putting lots of icons in there
[08:30] <zniavre> but it only display "no indicators"
[08:30] <maco> zniavre: im trying to figure that out
[08:30] <maco> it works on my vm but not on my hardware
[08:30] <maco> zniavre: any chance you use kdm instead of gdm?
[08:31] <maco> thats the only odd thing i can think of about my gnome setup
[08:31] <zniavre> nop im gnome user only
[08:31] <crdlb> maco: does the indicator-applet somehow allow apps to run 'hidden', like a system tray does?
[08:31] <maco> hmm....is notify-osd running?
[08:31] <dtchen> DanaG: we use dynticks as of a couple releases ago, so there's no reason to use HZ=1000
[08:31] <maco> crdlb: yes
[08:31]  * DanaG just uses gnubiff for mail.
[08:31] <DanaG> well, and thunderbird.
[08:31] <dtchen> DanaG: so, the argument that we should use HZ=1000 is a red herring
[08:31] <maco> crdlb: as of yesterday's upload, pidgin no longer puts an icon in the notification area by default
[08:31] <DanaG> There's nothing quite like having it QUACK at you when you have mail.
[08:31] <crdlb> maco: and doesn't appear in the taskbar either?
[08:32] <DanaG> Okay, so when you close the buddy list... does pidgin just quit?
[08:32] <crdlb> how do you open the buddy list then?
[08:32] <zniavre> you can't
[08:32] <maco> crdlb: if you hide it with the indicator applet it will not be in tasklist. you can use the indicator applet to unhide it
[08:32] <stefano-palazzo> maco, how come pidgin is still in the normal notification area then? just not done yet, or on purpose?
[08:32] <crdlb> what we really need is a good way to have "desktop services" like IM clients, torrent clients, and music players running
[08:32] <DanaG> How about if you hit the 'close' button?
[08:32] <crdlb> without them cluttering the notification area
[08:32] <maco> stefano-palazzo: you have an old configuration
[08:33] <crdlb> indicating when there's a new message is a completely separate issue
[08:33] <maco> DanaG: then it actually does close
[08:33] <crdlb> pidgin is not really using the notification area as a notification area ...
[08:33] <DanaG> I happen to LIKE having my music player in the notification area... even when I happen to already be able to have it hide and show on a hotkey.
[08:33] <crdlb> it's using it as a windows-style system tray
[08:33] <maco> DanaG: if that was not the case, it would go invisible on non-gnome desktops and not be able to be brought back without editing ~/.purple/prefs.xml, which is a pain
[08:33] <stefano-palazzo> maco, thats right, im using a version of pdigin i've compiled from source, forgot about that
[08:34] <maco> stefano-palazzo: well no i mean, "disabled by default" means for new installs
[08:34] <dtchen> the absolute killer for us is the feature regression from feisty, where we had PREEMPT enabled
[08:34] <maco> stefano-palazzo: if youve already got it set to show the icon, itll keep doing so. if you create a new user, it wont by default show the icon
[08:34] <dtchen> at that point, however, having PREEMPT enabled completely killed stability with binary-only blobs
[08:35] <DaemonDEB> kernel.org kernels are the only ones I use
[08:35]  * crdlb doesn't use any binary blobs :/
[08:35] <DaemonDEB> I removed the Ubuntu linux-generic packages
[08:35] <crdlb> that's fantastic.
[08:35] <maco> i remove linux-generic too
[08:35] <maco> the darn thing pulls in l-r-m
[08:35] <DanaG> I'm using the mainline 2.6.29 kernel from ~apw
[08:36] <DanaG> I also have no binary blobs.  Only non-OSS kernel thing I use is vboxdrv.
[08:36] <DaemonDEB> the Ubuntu -rt kernel is unstable and freezes
[08:36]  * crdlb is boring and is using the stock kernel ...
[08:36] <DaemonDEB> anything I build  tends to work
[08:36] <maco> vboxdrv isnt showing as non-free when i run vrms
[08:36] <maco> or are you not using virtualbox-ose?
[08:36] <DaemonDEB> if you have the restricted modules or linux-firmware installed
[08:36] <DaemonDEB> you have blobs
[08:37] <DaemonDEB> in fact, you have blobs even with the mainline kernel
[08:37] <DaemonDEB> unless you strip them out before you compile it
[08:37] <DanaG> I'm using the non-OSE.
[08:37] <crdlb> I have restricted modules installed, but I'm not using any of them
[08:37] <DaemonDEB> ok, remove it and see what breaks
[08:38] <crdlb> nothing will break ...
[08:38] <maco> if you have all-intel, nothing
[08:38] <DaemonDEB> I could pull out my Nvidia card
[08:38] <DaemonDEB> will I?
[08:38] <DaemonDEB> not on your life
[08:38] <DaemonDEB> B-)
[08:38] <dtchen> maco: that's patently untrue
[08:38] <crdlb> I used to have to use madwifi, but not anymore :)
[08:39] <dtchen> linux-image-foo-generic ships binary-only blobs in kernel/sound/
[08:39] <DanaG> I have iwlagn and radeon.
[08:39] <maco> dtchen: the question was "what will break if you remove l-r-m?" and i said "if you have all intel, nothing"
[08:39] <elky> DaemonDEB, what are you trying to achieve here?
[08:39] <dtchen> in fact, we repacked alsa-driver in Debian for that reason
[08:40] <dtchen> maco: that, too, is untrue
[08:40] <DaemonDEB> Ubuntu advertises non-free modules even if you don't want them
[08:40] <DaemonDEB> you have to click on it just to dismiss it
[08:40] <maco> dtchen: i uninstall l-r-m after install
[08:40] <maco> dtchen: that's no detriment
[08:41] <maco> DaemonDEB: that's just to make it easy for newbies to find
[08:41] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: true, and there is no good way to prevent anyone from adding a third-party repository
[08:41] <dtchen> maco: you're assuming that all hardware matches your specs
[08:41] <maco> dtchen: *intel* hardware does not require l-r-m
[08:41] <dtchen> i did work on intel handheld devices that used said binary-blobs.
[08:41] <DaemonDEB> dtchen: The easiest way to avoid that problem is to use onboard sound
[08:42] <maco> *sigh* fine!
[08:42] <DaemonDEB> it's really nowhere near as bad as it used to be
[08:42] <DanaG> At least radeon is far better than nouveau, at least in my experience.
[08:42] <maco> normal intel components for normal user systems
[08:42] <bazhang> DaemonDEB, hi
[08:42] <DaemonDEB> that's because radeon is made using specs released by AMD
[08:42] <DanaG> nouveau hammers both CPU and hard drive (yes, somehow it hammers the hard drive), and doesn't even TRY to do suspend,.
[08:42] <maco> by which i mean things like graphics and internets and cpu
[08:42] <DaemonDEB> Nouveau is reverse engineered based on Nvidia's closed source driver
[08:42] <DanaG> I did specifically buy my laptop with ATI, on purpose.
[08:42] <dtchen> maco: yes, many people use them in their tv sets.
[08:42] <maco> dtchen: tvs arent computers
[08:43] <maco> they dont count for purposes of this discussion
[08:43] <dtchen> i think you're being silly now
[08:43] <maco> dan, stop being so dan!
[08:43] <Hobbsee> DaemonDEB: are you intending to do anything *other* than soapboxing here?  It'd be lovely if you could stay on topic.
[08:43] <DaemonDEB> DanaG: Fedora 11 Alpha defaults to Nouveau, and not only is is even crappier than NV, yes, I noticed that hard drive thrashing too
[08:43] <maco> dtchen:  if you were here, i'd poke you!
[08:43] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: the problem with that is that it *was* onboard
[08:43] <DaemonDEB> What in the hell are they thinking?
[08:43] <DanaG> And it happens to make 2/3 of the panel applets fail to load, too.
[08:44] <DanaG> I had to go back to nv on that old laptop.
[08:44] <DanaG> NV17 == has to use nvidia 96.
[08:44] <dtchen> and onboard sound actually still blows
[08:44] <DanaG> nvidia 96 doesn't work with Jaunty.
[08:44] <DaemonDEB> not really
[08:44] <DanaG> It starts... but segfaults.
[08:44] <DaemonDEB> Intel's HD Audio works fine
[08:44]  * maco giggles
[08:44] <maco> DaemonDEB: youre arguing with an audio dev
[08:44] <maco> quit now
[08:44] <dtchen> you would not believe the utter crack i just had to add three weeks ago to get hw-ptr stability
[08:45] <DanaG> SOmething my adi1988 chip can do now, that PA doesn't take advantage of:
[08:45] <dtchen> and now i'm about to add the corresponding pulseaudio-side crack
[08:45] <maco> oh boy, you got him started
[08:45] <elky> Hobbsee, i'm failing to see his relevence to here...
[08:45] <DanaG> two simultaneous, independent capture streams!
[08:45] <DaemonDEB> I don't care, "fine" by my definition means I don't feel like buying a sound card cause the onboard chipset works "fine"
[08:45] <Hobbsee> DaemonDEB: drop it, or take it elsewhere, please.
[08:45] <gnomefreak> to argue please join #ubuntu-offtopic this isnt the place for it
[08:45] <elky> gnomefreak, he's already banned from there for this same kind of crap
[08:46] <DaemonDEB> yes, banned
[08:46] <DaemonDEB> that's why I'm in there
[08:46] <gnomefreak> ok take it somewhere else than not in support channels
[08:46] <DaemonDEB> duh
[08:46] <rww> DaemonDEB: oh, so you're ban evading too? cool.
[08:46] <DaemonDEB> no
[08:46] <DaemonDEB> you're an idiot
[08:46] <gnomefreak> DaemonDEB: thats enough please
[08:46] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: i really wish most users shared your view that onboard sound was "fine" :-)
[08:47] <bazhang> almightycthulhu ^^
[08:47] <maco> dtchen: you missed him
[08:47] <DaemonDEB> I feel the love
[08:47] <maco> DaemonDEB: dtchen says he wishes most users agreed with you that onboard sound was "fine"
[08:47] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: stop now - this is for jaunty discussion only
[08:47] <bazhang> trolling
[08:47] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: this is your only warning
[08:48] <Hobbsee> ikonia: he had one earlier, which he ignored, fyi
[08:48] <rww> Oh a slightly more on-topic note, I noticed the new wallpaper and usplash themes today. Very nice :)
[08:48] <ikonia> Hobbsee: thank you
[08:48] <maco> i think itd give him more time for going to concerts and spending time with humans afk instead of fixing alsa & pulseaudio all the time
[08:48] <elky> ooh, new purdy stuff?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> elky: yup!
[08:48] <maco> oh yeah the new wallpaper's pretty
[08:48] <elky> i should probably install it at some point to see this
[08:48] <elky> tonight is not the night, however
[08:49] <maco> i'm hovering between the kde 4.2 pretties and the new ubuntu wallpaper pretties
[08:49] <rww> elky: the usplash looks like http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-04-039-s-New-Boot-Splash-107165.shtml
[08:49] <maco> makes me wish i had two screens on my lappy and could put gnome in one and kde in the other
[08:49] <DaemonDEB> ALSA and Pulse are generally a decision between what you want to break to get something else to work
[08:49] <Hobbsee> maco: install the ubuntu wallpaper pretties on kde?  ;)
[08:49] <bazhang> :/
[08:49] <rww> so not too different, but still a nice refresh :)
[08:49] <maco> Hobbsee: ive got it installed but the themes would clash horribly
[08:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:49] <DaemonDEB> there's stil la few apps you have to kill pulseaudio for
[08:49] <maco> ...my god, im becomng such a girl
[08:50] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: unfortunate
[08:50] <maco> dtchen: you! no more pointing out when i dont match!
[08:51] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: namely, i cannot force vendors to stop taking advantage of ioctl()
[08:51] <DaemonDEB> dtchen: I made a startup script for Quake Wars that kills pulseaudio before the game loads, and restarts it when I'm done
[08:51] <DaemonDEB> cause if I rely on ALSA, then my microphone does not work
[08:51] <DaemonDEB> nor does my USB headset for about half the apps
[08:51] <dtchen> `pasuspender -- q3a' would accomplish the same
[08:52] <dtchen> if it doesn't, i need to know, because that would be a rather serious threading issue
[08:52] <DaemonDEB> without Pulse forcing ALSA to not be stupid, it directs to sound for anything non-gstreamer through my speakers
[08:52] <DaemonDEB> even if I tell GNOME to use the headset
[08:52] <elky> i am sensing someone is lacking the ability to know when to stop
[08:52] <DaemonDEB> *the
[08:53] <dtchen> DaemonDEB: there are several breakages in components there. that's not entirely PA's fault.
[08:53] <maco> elky: what? ranting about the state of linux audio is perfectly normal.  try spending an afternoon with dtchen
[08:53] <DaemonDEB> it's quite infuriating just trying to use it, I could just imagine trying to do anything important relating to it
[08:54] <dtchen> (i dunno, i think i rant because i'm looking at the related code and fixing it)
[08:54] <elky> maco, it's not the point of this channel
[08:54] <maco> dtchen: thats true. you have first hand experience with the spiders living in it
[08:55] <DaemonDEB> well, part of the idea with Pulse is to not have 50 different crapplets and config files that each control some little thing here or there
[08:55] <elky> dtchen, that's perfectly valid then. you're not simply soapboxing
[08:55] <DaemonDEB> and the humorous thing is that it has created more panels and settings files
[08:55] <dtchen> elky: arguably - and it's a bit of a stretch, yes - users complaining about it gives me data points to fix. but i agree that there's only so far one can go with it.
[08:56] <elky> dtchen, feel free to take it up in PM with him. he's making this channel unusable for anything else.
[08:56] <elky> if he continues, i'll have to take measures to render it usable once more.
[08:56] <dtchen> elky: true. i think i'll shush and return to work. :-)
[08:57] <maco> dtchen: shouldnt the sun be rising outside your friendly neighborhood IKEA about now?
[08:57] <maco> oh...ok then
[08:57] <elky> i think that's a preemptive yes.
[08:58] <DaemonDEB> only if the rotation of the Earth voluntarily gives way to the rising of the sun, otherwise it could expose bugs, better leave it night to be safe
[09:15] <maco> oh yeah so i was asking...
[09:15] <maco> kwin's compositing: broken for everyone or just me?
[09:44] <DanaG> my Jaunty bootchart: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[09:47] <DanaG> What's up with gnome-power-manager not using notify-osd?
[09:50] <Ranakah> it's that realy work?
[09:50] <Ranakah> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide
[10:03] <BUGabundo> guud morning guys
[10:04] <BUGabundo> is Main down?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> no more rhythmbox: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2009-February/msg00029.html
[11:18] <vistakiller1> i cant install nvidia driver in kubuntu
[11:18] <vistakiller1> jockey-kde is not working
[11:19] <vistakiller1> and with jockey-gtk i have install them but after the restart they dont work
[11:19] <vistakiller1> i have to install manual with .run file from nvidia
[11:20] <vistakiller1> i cant install and envyng-qt because is missing some python package
[11:25] <BUGabundo> vistakiller1: calm down
[11:25] <BUGabundo> don't destroy your system even more
[11:25] <vistakiller1> i have to work m8
[11:25] <vistakiller1> and i need to install some drivers :P
[11:25] <BUGabundo> vistakiller1: go to #ubuntu-devel and ask pitti for help
[11:25] <BUGabundo> its his package
[11:26] <vistakiller1> the only way now is through manual install
[11:26] <vistakiller1> i will search launchpad for bug report to confirm it
[11:26] <BUGabundo> AFAIK there's no open bug currently
[11:27] <BUGabundo> I've pinged pitti
[11:27] <BUGabundo> lets see what he says
[11:31] <vetall> during the shutdown i get a message smth like: nm-system-config: SCPlugin-Ifupdown: devices removed (udi: /org/freedesktop/...
[11:31] <vetall> in 8.10 there was no such message. the NM and wire/wireless works fine. just wondering is it as it should be.
[11:32] <vistakiller1> thanks BUGabundo
[11:32] <vistakiller1> nice name :P
[11:36] <VSpike> Only a minor point, but I believe the standard behaviour for gnome terminal was that shift-ctrl-T would create a new terminal with the same CWD as the existing one
[11:36] <VSpike> This doesn't seem to happen now.  Can anyone confirm (a) that I remember the old behaviour right and (b) that it has changed?
[11:37] <VSpike> OK, I forgot my other machine was right there.. confirmed (a) in 8.04
[11:50] <BUGabundo> VSpike: now that you mention it, I've noticed
[11:50] <BUGabundo> that gnome terminal behaviour is not as it used to
[11:50] <BUGabundo> keep me posted on anything you do abou it
[11:55] <vistakiller1> i have to open a bug report for the problem?
[11:56] <Ranakah> fglrx work in jaunty in future?
[11:59] <BUGabundo> Ranakah: many discussing that on bug report
[12:00] <BUGabundo> vistakiller1: don't know!
[12:00] <BUGabundo> maybe?
[12:00] <Ranakah> that's is bug?
[12:00] <vistakiller1> i will post in kubuntu forum
[12:00] <vistakiller1> to see what will say and other users
[12:00] <BUGabundo> Ranakah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/313027
[12:31] <TuTUXG> is the new empathy able to do video conference with ichat (google accounts)?
[12:32] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: let me know if it does!
[12:33] <bruce89> why has gnome-panel animation been disabled?
[12:34] <TuTUXG> BUGabundo, was you kidding?
[12:37] <dennda> With jaunty's new-style notifications: How do I disable a message every time a buddy logs in? (Pidgin)
[12:37] <zniavre> via pidgin libnotify plugin setup ?
[12:38] <TuTUXG> nvm, ichat doesnt use jingle
[12:38] <dennda> zniavre: Where is that?
[12:39] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: no I wasnt
[12:40] <bruce89> and the nautilus background fade
[12:40] <BUGabundo> bruce89: try that on dual monit
[12:40] <BUGabundo> its scary!
[12:40] <TuTUXG> bruce89, background fade is disabled?
[12:40] <bruce89> on startup it is now
[12:41] <TuTUXG> ...
[12:41] <TuTUXG> rebooting...
[12:41] <dennda> ah in plugins
[12:41] <bruce89> it seems as if Ubuntu patch GNOME to be the same as 2.24
[12:43] <nonnii> is there a way to disable thumbnaling of media in removable media?
[12:44] <humbolt> why are the fonts in gnome-terminal and pidgin irc chatwindow so huge suddenly?
[12:45] <humbolt> I did a dist-upgrade yesterday
[12:45] <bruce89> some weird fontconfig change yesterday, change the monospace font to 10 again
[12:45] <bruce89> for some reason, it was changed to 13.333
[12:45] <TuTUXG> bruce89, i still have it
[12:46] <bruce89> nautilus 1:2.26.0-0ubuntu2 and above
[12:46] <TuTUXG> let me see
[12:47] <TuTUXG> 1:2.26.0-0ubuntu4
[12:48] <bruce89> hmm, in their infinite wisdom, they've probably patched it wrongly
[12:48] <TuTUXG> but i use jaunty all the way from a4 tho
[12:48] <bruce89> have a look at the changelog of nautilus and gnome-panel
[12:49] <bruce89> and gnome-media
[12:50] <TuTUXG> what's up with gnome-media?
[12:50] <bruce89> not bothering with the new volume control
[12:52] <bruce89> at this rate, Debian unstable's more cutting edge
[12:52] <TuTUXG> bruce89, oh, only the initial fade in is disabled
[12:53] <bruce89> it would have been nice for them to explain why
[12:54] <TuTUXG> bruce89, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575964
[12:55] <TuTUXG> from the diff file
[12:55] <bruce89> I see
[13:09]  * bruce89 shudders to think what would happen if brainstorm was actually listened to
[13:10] <TuTUXG> bruce89, what did they ask?
[13:10] <fyl0n> Is it normal to have corrupted graphics with an Intel GMA945 and alpha6 Kubuntu?
[13:10] <bruce89> nothing specific, but a lot of things would be crazy
[13:11] <TuTUXG> bruce89, that's called brainstorm ;)
[13:11] <bruce89> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1672
[13:11] <bruce89> most of those are impossible
[13:12] <TuTUXG> well, i think most of them are doable
[13:13] <TuTUXG> just need time
[13:13] <bruce89> well, most of these aren't Ubuntu's responsibility in the first place
[13:14] <TuTUXG> users don't know that
[13:15] <bruce89> that's a big problem I think
[13:15] <unixdawg> I have to say jaunty is turning out nice
[13:16] <TuTUXG> starting to understand m$?
[13:16] <unixdawg> my old p3 650 with 384 megs of ram runs great
[13:17] <nonnii> I run great once, but then I busted my knee :|
[13:18] <unixdawg> well get it fixed and start running again
[13:25] <VSpike> no reason ubuntu shouldn't act as a clearing house of requests between users and upstream projects though
[13:27] <VSpike> "Make System Monitor as powerful as Windows Task Manager".. um :) what?
[13:28] <unixdawg> I want to see MICROSHAFT crumble and become nothing
[13:29] <unixdawg> they have over priced everything they put out so lets make ubuntu the replacement
[13:30] <bruce89> the notifications are from Vista, so we can expect more of the same
[13:53] <Linkinx64_x> hello!!
[13:53] <michaeldadmum> hello!
[13:53] <Linkinx64_x> after yesterdays updates...
[13:53] <Linkinx64_x> after login in i get a blackl screen with a cursor
[13:53] <Linkinx64_x> and nothing else :(
[13:54] <Linkinx64_x> any advice?
[13:54] <VSpike> Linkinx64_x: I had the same
[13:54] <michaeldadmum> It seems like gdm is broken.
[13:55] <Linkinx64_x> yeao...
[13:55] <Linkinx64_x> VSpike: how u fixed it?
[13:55] <VSpike> I switched to console (ctrl-alt-F1), did "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop", then "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[13:55] <Linkinx64_x> let me see
[13:55] <VSpike> there were about a dozen more upgrades
[13:55] <VSpike> I then did "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start" and all was well
[13:56] <bruce89> oh great, unmounting now causes dialogues
[13:56] <VSpike> Replace aptitude with apt-get or whatever you prefer of course :)
[13:58] <bruce89> just because notify-osd is useless doesn't mean they have to take it out on me
[13:58] <VSpike> heh
[14:00] <unixdawg> wow and kde4 has had no major issues
[14:00] <unixdawg> hmm
[14:00] <unixdawg> kubuntu is turning out nice
[14:01] <Linkinx64_x> VSpike: that did not fix it man :(
[14:01] <c_korn> has someone knowledge about translations? does N_(String) stand for not translate the string?
[14:01] <VSpike> Linkinx64_x: Do you have any other accounts you could try logging into?
[14:01] <Linkinx64_x> i know spanish :D
[14:02] <Linkinx64_x> VSpike:  not really ... Root ? :P
[14:02] <VSpike> You have a root account?
[14:02] <Linkinx64_x> lol no
[14:02] <VSpike> he
[14:02] <Linkinx64_x> this is bad ;(
[14:02] <VSpike> Well, you could create a new account form the console
[14:02] <VSpike> Then try logging into that
[14:02] <Linkinx64_x> what about failsafe gnome?
[14:03] <VSpike> Worth a try.. not sure what it does
[14:03] <unixdawg> all systems have a root accouint
[14:03] <Linkinx64_x> it shows Could Not find the Gnome installation
[14:03] <unixdawg> sudo bash
[14:03] <unixdawg> enter your username password
[14:03] <unixdawg> if you have sudo privs
[14:04] <unixdawg> then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:04] <Linkinx64_x> yes i do
[14:04] <Linkinx64_x> let me try dist-upgrade
[14:04] <VSpike> unixdawg: not sure that "sudo bash" followed by "startx" would be a good idea though
[14:04] <unixdawg> true
[14:05] <VSpike> Just wondering if the failure to login is caused by broken settings in ~
[14:05] <unixdawg> after distupgrade type exit
[14:07] <Linkinx64_x> ok distupgrde
[14:07] <Linkinx64_x> shows no updates
[14:07] <simba_> yey....last update fixed my problem of usplash crashing while providing pass for root partition....tkank you.
[14:07] <Linkinx64_x> so i am in the same place
[14:08] <unixdawg> did you update first
[14:08] <VSpike> Linkinx64_x: you get gdm login screen, but when starting gnome you just have a black screen with spinning cursor? or pointer?
[14:08] <Linkinx64_x> yes
[14:08] <Linkinx64_x> a pointer
[14:09] <Linkinx64_x> i log in .... everythin ok.... and i get a black screen
[14:09] <unixdawg> Linkinx64_x, you have to do apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:09] <Linkinx64_x> i did
[14:09] <unixdawg> ok
[14:09] <Linkinx64_x> and i get some updates
[14:09] <Linkinx64_x> got*
[14:09] <Linkinx64_x> but it did not fix it
[14:09] <unixdawg> reboot
[14:10] <Linkinx64_x> done
[14:10] <nemo> oh. speaking of crashes. anyone here using intel card getting X driver crash every time mplayer/vlc use xv ?
[14:10] <Linkinx64_x> same thing...
[14:10] <simba_> Linkinx64_x: i had that when i first installed 9.04....i dropped to console and did upgrade to fix it
[14:10] <Linkinx64_x> nemo no man....im good ... when i get it :D
[14:10] <Linkinx64_x> :(
[14:10] <Linkinx64_x> let me try again
[14:11] <michaeldadmum> Hello, I have some problem with KWin desktop effects. I was running fglrx and when I tried to enable the effects, the system became unresponsive. However, when I tried to run compiz, it worked smoothly.
[14:11] <Linkinx64_x> samething...
[14:11] <simba_> Linkinx64_x: aptitude upgrade works better than apt-get upgrade
[14:11] <maco> wow....that's some stupid firefox behavior. "foo.doc...open with: movie player"
[14:11] <Linkinx64_x> simba_:  yes im used to use aptitude....but it shows no updates
[14:12] <Linkinx64_x> maco: lol
[14:12] <nemo> and I'm sure everyone here has heard the newly released IE8 has been compromised.
[14:12] <Linkinx64_x> yeap
[14:13] <Linkinx64_x> do i need to reinstall ? :(
[14:13] <Linkinx64_x> or just wait for more updates?
[14:17] <bruce89> http://bruce-cowan.blogspot.com/2009/03/notify-osd.html
[14:18] <mnemo> how can I reboot ubuntu so that I get to the grub menu without using the power switch? this always worked fine until 2 weeks ago when jaunty started doing some sort of quick rebooting thing that skips past the BIOS and GRUB etc ??
[14:21] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: you checked .xsession-errors already?
[14:21] <Linkinx64_x> no sir
[14:21] <Linkinx64_x> how would i do that?
[14:21] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: also, tried launching gnome-session from a failsafe X window, just to see what's dying?
[14:22] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: copy ~/.xsession-errors somewhere
[14:22] <nemo> then pastebin it, if the contents are kosher for channel
[14:29] <Linkinx64_x> nemo: it froze :((
[14:31] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: welp X log too then
[14:31] <nemo> as well as xsession-errors
[14:34] <BUGabundo> I have sound again! thanks dtchen
[14:34] <BUGabundo> woot
[14:35] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/330814
[14:49] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: no logs?
[14:50] <Linkinx64_x> no logs...not sure how to get them or get them out of the laptop
[14:50] <Linkinx64_x> :(
[14:52] <nemo> Linkinx64_x: scp :-p
[14:56] <VSpike> Linkinx64_x: try "sudo apt-get pastebinit && cat ~/.xession-errors /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit"
[14:56] <unixdawg> sorry to report but linux is now dead
[14:56] <unixdawg> time to give it a new name
[14:57] <unixdawg> call it OpenOS
[14:57] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:57] <bruce89> I think Ubuntu are way ahead of you
[14:58] <bruce89> dropping the Linux bit because of "bad connotations"
[14:59] <nemo> ??
[15:01] <bruce89> Used to be called Ubuntu Linux
[15:02] <nemo> ubuntu gnu/linux ;)
[15:07] <cyberix> Is Jaunty going to have GNOME 2.26?
[15:07] <c_korn> cyberix: yes
[15:08] <bruce89> cyberix: already does
[15:08] <BUGabundo> cyberix: already has it
[15:08] <BUGabundo> packages.ubuntu.com
[15:08] <unixdawg> gnome and kde neeed to merge and make 1 ultimate gui
[15:08] <cyberix> Ok. I was just wondering, because GNOME released it just a few days ago, and Jaunty has gone trough multiple freezes already
[15:09] <bruce89> GNOME is the exception, and Ubuntu's interminable patching
[15:09] <bruce89> and anything they feel like such as CUPS
[15:10] <bruce89> freezes are really an excuse that they give if something's old
[15:10] <cyberix> :-P
[15:11] <BUGabundo> #Poll: What apps would YOU like to learn about as an Linux noob? last year I talked about these: https://docs.google.com/View?docID=df4hbkwr_139r77r8 (gona use jaunty beta, just incase ikonia is here)
[15:12] <billybigrigger> anyone having network problems with yesterdays updates?
[15:13] <cyberix> BUGabundo: etherape
[15:13] <cyberix> :-)
[15:13] <billybigrigger> i can't connect wirelessly, or wired to my router, but i can connect to neighbors wireless, and wired works on my desktop in XP
[15:13] <billybigrigger> ???
[15:15] <nemo> unixdawg: that's rather unlikely - gnome and kde have very different goals/structure :-p
[15:16] <bruce89> not to mention toolkits and languages
[15:17] <unixdawg> well I can say that kde 4.2 is a big change
[15:17] <unixdawg> I was blown away how it looks nothign like 3.5.X
[15:17] <unixdawg> or 4.0
[15:18] <bruce89> am I right in saying that GDM 2.20.10 is broken?
[15:21] <simba_> well, a few apps in the new kde is not as good as in the old ones on this computer yet.....like networkmanagement and software management/update
[15:23] <bruce89> KPackageKit isn't KDE I don't think
[15:23] <maco> what?
[15:23] <maco> kpackagekit is the adept replacement in kubuntu
[15:23] <maco> bruce89: by which you mean "boot to text"?
[15:23] <bruce89> I meant it's not a part of KDE
[15:23] <BUGabundo> who was the guy complaining about the gnome-terminal stuff?
[15:24] <maco> ah ok
[15:24] <BUGabundo> I don't see him in the #
[15:24] <BUGabundo> bah... gonna file a bug...
[15:24] <maco> i did find linuxgeek_'s bug
[15:24] <maco> i updated my vm and my machine. rebooted both. vm + yesterday's update = gdm doesnt start
[15:24] <VSpike> BUGabundo: me
[15:24] <maco> on hardware, it boots fine
[15:25] <BUGabundo> why do apps insist on appearing on the external display (also Default one) and not the one that I have keyb and mouce?
[15:25] <VSpike> BUGabundo: Haven't filed anything yet
[15:25] <VSpike> If you do, let me know
[15:25] <BUGabundo> VSpike: u? nice! I'm gonna... its really bad now that im aware of it
[15:25] <VSpike> :)
[15:25] <VSpike> Sorry ;)
[15:25] <bruce89> what's wrong with g-t?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I don't excuse you now :)
[15:26] <BUGabundo> bruce89: opening a new tab
[15:26] <BUGabundo> stuff get crazy
[15:26] <BUGabundo> it brings stuff the the app running there
[15:26] <BUGabundo> it *didn't* use to do that
[15:26] <BUGabundo> example: start gedit, open a new g-t tab and see where it leaves you
[15:27] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:27] <BUGabundo> bad example
[15:27] <BUGabundo> gedit doesn't change the path
[15:27] <BUGabundo> but MAN, exaile, pidgin all do
[15:27] <BUGabundo> anything to add?
[15:27] <BUGabundo> I'm second way to file it
[15:27] <VSpike> BUGabundo: now I try it again, it seems to be working :)
[15:28] <bruce89> heh
[15:28] <BUGabundo> its bruce all mighty influence
[15:28] <BUGabundo> or lastest update fix?
[15:29] <VSpike> My complaint was spceifically that in 8.04, the new tab got the same CWD as the existing one -- and did not happen earlier.  But now it does
[15:29] <VSpike> So yeah, could be an update or maybe some specific case
[15:29] <BUGabundo> ahh?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> now I'm confused
[15:29] <VSpike> Sorry, I mean in 9.04 the new tab always opened at ~ when I tried it
[15:29] <VSpike> I liked the feature where the new tab opened in the same place as the old one
[15:30] <bruce89> BUGabundo: I'm having a look
[15:30] <BUGabundo> "new gnome-terminal tab brings environment from previous tab"
[15:30] <BUGabundo> just need to press enter to file it
[15:30] <bruce89> oh I see
[15:30] <BUGabundo> bugabundo@blubug:/usr/share/exaile$
[15:30] <BUGabundo> see exaile example
[15:30] <BUGabundo> the PATH is changed
[15:31] <BUGabundo> and WTH does Pidgin add smiles to IRC?????
[15:31] <BUGabundo> f..l
[15:31] <BUGabundo> BUG NOW
[15:38] <unixdawg> so has koffice been properly ported to 4.2  ?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/8739
[15:38] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pidgin/+bug/345948
[15:46] <xnguard> Hi, folks.  I had a package manager accident that removed resolvconf, and now I can't get it working again.  Any help appreciated.
[15:50] <transsoup> xnguard: "apt-get install --reinstall resolvconf" might help
[15:51] <xnguard> transsoup: I did try that.  Also a dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf.
[15:51] <xnguard> It looks like NetworkManager is helpfully supplying all the correct info from dhcp in /etc/resolvconf/run/interface/NetworkManager, but it's not being processed.
[15:52] <xnguard> A manual resolvconf -u does nothing, either.
[15:53] <BUGabundo> xnguard: sudo dpkg--reconfigure -a ?
[15:54] <BUGabundo> its going to take a while
[15:54] <xnguard> Is that going to destroy any customized settings already in place?
[16:09] <Linkinx64_x> so i got 2 updates for xorg....but no fix for my Black Screen
[16:09] <Linkinx64_x> :(
[16:39] <fatbrain> Anyone successfully manage to connect the Apple Wireless Keyboard (Bluetooth)?
[16:41] <xnguard> BUGabundo: That didn't work real well.  Now I have to plug/unplug the keyboard and mouse to get them detected, and I can't log in.
[16:41] <BUGabundo> xnguard: please refreh my mem
 xnguard: sudo dpkg--reconfigure -a ?
[16:41] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:42] <BUGabundo> so your xorg is broken?
[16:42] <BUGabundo> nice job...
[16:42] <BUGabundo> hope those are USB keyb/mouse
[16:42] <xnguard> I don't know what's broken.  Could be HAL, could be something usbfs, whatever.
[16:43] <xnguard> Hm.  Logging in at a text console gets me in, but spews "-bash: /dev/null: Permission denied" all over the place.
[16:44] <adelie42> what package includes the documentation for modprobe?
[16:46] <xnguard> adelie42: module-init-tools would be my guess.
[16:47] <xnguard> adelie42: Da.  Confirmed with Synaptic.
[16:47] <BUGabundo> xnguard: are those wrong permitions?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> your change or dkpg bug?
[16:47] <xnguard> BUGabundo: The usb / login / bash stuff didn't happen until I ran dpkg-reconfigure.
[16:48] <BUGabundo> xnguard: please ask for feedback on #ubuntu-devel and file a bug
[16:48] <BUGabundo> it could be more serious
[16:48] <adelie42> thanks
[16:48] <BUGabundo> or its just picking up on a broken system
[16:48] <BUGabundo> I'll try and run it on my laptop tonight or tomorrow to reproduce
[16:49] <BUGabundo> if you open a bug, sub me to it,ok xnguard?
[16:49] <xnguard> BUGabundo: Er... I've got some unsatisfied recommendations-- mostly ttf fonts --but that's about it.
[16:49] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp PACKAGE name helps a lot
[16:49] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy PACKAGE too
[16:50] <xnguard> BUGabundo: Uhm, what package(s) should I be running those against?
[16:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:50] <BUGabundo> humm xorg?
[16:50] <BUGabundo> its it who handles input
[16:58] <maco> eep! did apt-listchanges break horrendously recently?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> maco: humm NO
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I just got one from the last update, 5 min ago
[17:02] <maco> i just tried running "apt-listchanges pidgin" and it threw python at me...maybe i'm doing it wrong
[17:08] <BUGabundo> maco: yep here too
[17:08] <maco> i think im doing it wrong
[17:08] <maco> the --help says i should put --apt before it
[17:08] <BUGabundo> okay
[17:09] <maco> so i guess this is just graceless failure
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I know that doing apt-get upgrade it works
[17:09] <maco> would be nice if apt-listchanges --apt pidgin wasnt still running 7 minutes later with no output...
[17:09] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I killed it before that
[17:10] <BUGabundo> $ apt-listchanges pidgin_1%3a2.5.5-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[17:10] <BUGabundo> Reading changelogs... Done
[17:10] <BUGabundo> maco: but still won't output anything
[17:11] <maco> *pout*
[17:11] <BUGabundo> just read /usr/docs/changes
[17:11] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:11] <BUGabundo> /usr/share/doc/t
[17:12] <BUGabundo> $ ls /usr/share/doc/pidgin/
[17:12] <maco> that's not the point
[17:12] <BUGabundo> oh no?
[17:12] <BUGabundo> what did I miss understood?
[17:12] <maco> the point is apt-listchanges should behave
[17:12] <BUGabundo> I never used it like you say
[17:13] <BUGabundo> didn't even know it was possible
[17:13] <BUGabundo> I just use it when upgrading
[17:13] <BUGabundo> and then read the mails
[17:13] <Pici> I always have it go to the pager
[17:18] <BUGabundo> Pici: me too... I think it's a bug... I selected to NOT send to pager, just email
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: made any progress on that netspeed applet issue?
[17:18] <BUGabundo> but I still get it on screen
[17:18] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: NO :(
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> If the new upstream package arrives that may solve it.
[17:19] <BUGabundo> maybe
[17:19] <BUGabundo> anyone we can ping to push it?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> hggdh: ola
[17:19] <BUGabundo> bug 268727
[17:20] <hggdh> Ola, BUGabundo
[17:20] <hggdh> what gives on it?
[17:20] <hggdh> (opening it now)
[17:20] <BUGabundo> bug 335507 and 268727
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: you could build the upstream version manually just to test if it solves the issue
[17:20] <BUGabundo> how to do that?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> baby steps!
[17:21] <hggdh> 1. grab the source
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> grab upstream source, install dependencies, configure, make, run
[17:21] <hggdh> there you go ;-)
[17:21] <BUGabundo> source link»
[17:21] <BUGabundo> ?
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> There's a neat trick to installing dependencies in most cases (if upstream haven't added any) : sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[17:22] <Milos_SD> hello all...
[17:23] <hggdh> BUGabundo, you probably can start by doing an "sudo apt-get build-dep netspeed", so you can get the dependencies (at least for the current version)
[17:24] <BUGabundo> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[17:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:24] <BUGabundo> let me fix that
[17:24] <Milos_SD> I followed this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 to setup equilezer for pulseaudio, it worked in Intrepid, but now in Jaunty that has 0.9.14 pulseaudio doesn't work. Here is the part of a syslog: http://pastebin.com/m547c605e
[17:24] <Milos_SD> how can I fix the problem?
[17:26] <maco> Milos_SD: i'd ask TheMuso when he gets online
[17:30] <tom> in kubuntu jaunty "log out" doesn't work for me, is this a known issue?
[17:30] <unixdawg> anyone here running skype on 64bit ?
[17:31] <unixdawg> I need skpe for communicating withfamily
[17:32] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: hggdh that's a lot of packages!
[17:32] <BUGabundo> wasn't counting on that
[17:32] <BUGabundo> low on disk space
[17:32] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: add medibuntu repos and install skype-static
[17:33] <unixdawg> media buntu ?
[17:33] <unixdawg> never done tha explain
[17:33] <bazhang> !medibuntu
[17:34] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: now what?
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: you've installed upstream source?
[17:36] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: not yet.. just the build dep
[17:36] <BUGabundo> I told you.... baby steps
[17:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:41] <unixdawg> ok got it
[17:41] <BUGabundo> got tar from http://projects.gnome.org/netspeed/
[17:44] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: ^^^
[17:44] <IntuitiveNipple> *pat* :)
[17:45] <BUGabundo> just saw that you confirmed it
[17:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Have you extracted the source? If so, change to the source directory and run ./configure
[17:46] <BUGabundo> done
[17:46] <IntuitiveNipple> no errors from configure?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> still running
[17:46] <BUGabundo> no errors
[17:46] <hggdh> BUGabundo, be aware that ./configure (by default) will run with "--prefix=/usr/local", meaning the install will be done there
[17:46] <IntuitiveNipple> now do make
[17:47] <BUGabundo> maco no more IPv6?
[17:47] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: done
[17:47] <maco> it dropped out and i have quassel set to try ipv4 if ipv6 fails
[17:47] <BUGabundo> ah.
[17:48] <hggdh> BUGabundo, on errors on make?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> none that I spot
[17:48] <BUGabundo> want a pastebin?
[17:49] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/134325/
[17:51] <DaemonDEB> Quassel: The MySQL-based disk thrasher that thinks it's an IRC client?
[17:51] <hggdh> BUGabundo, yes, all kosher. Now run 'sudo make install'(and remember it is going to be installed under /usr/local)
[17:52] <BUGabundo> done
[17:52] <aLeSD> hi all
[17:52] <BUGabundo> now how to add it to applet?
[17:52] <BUGabundo> manual path?
[17:52] <DaemonDEB> if make has given you errors you usually need headers or you don't have the right compiler in your path
[17:52] <aLeSD> does someone know if ubuntustudio 9.04 has a realtime kernel ?
[17:52] <hggdh> since I do not know how is is presented (I do not have it installed)... yes, try running it manually
[17:52] <DaemonDEB> The kernel for example now refuses to build with GCC 4.0 and 4.1
[17:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh: its an applet
[17:53] <BUGabundo> need to add it to pannel
[17:53] <hggdh> BUGabundo, yes, add it to the panel, with a manual path to ity
[17:53] <hggdh> s/ity/it/
[17:53] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, now, in a terminal run it. /usr/local/libexec/netspeed_applet2
[17:53] <DaemonDEB> So with Debian, you end up with two compilers (4.1 for building modules for their kernel) or 4.3 (needed to build your own)
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: and, then add it to the panel using the Add to Panel...
[17:54] <DaemonDEB> Linux 2.6 will flat out refuse to load any module that's not built with the same compiler it was
[17:54] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: does nothing?!
[17:54] <DaemonDEB> it's quite frustrating at times
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: you'll see a few messages about the theme but ignore them
[17:54] <BUGabundo> killing and trying again
[17:54] <BUGabundo> ooohhh new icons!!! nice
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Check the preferences dialog
[17:55] <charlie-tca> aLeSD: They should know in #ubuntu-studio
[17:55] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I said baby steps... but not that much .... lol I filed the bug about the theme!!! ehee
[17:55] <BUGabundo> let me make  download
[17:55] <IntuitiveNipple> There is no bug
[17:56] <DaemonDEB> isn't Ubuntu Studio just Ubuntu with a realtime kenrel and media apps included by default?
[17:56] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: applet shows ZERO
[17:56] <BUGabundo> on wired
[17:56] <BUGabundo> but LO is at 444KiB/S
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: better notify the upstream maintainer of the issue then
[17:56] <tgpraveen> DaemonDEB: yep
[17:57] <BUGabundo> ah wait
[17:57] <BUGabundo> it was Default and that is WiFi
[17:57] <BUGabundo> setting Wired makes it the same as the Archive version
[17:57] <BUGabundo> no detection of BW
[17:58] <DaemonDEB> recompiling the kernel is easy
[17:59] <DaemonDEB> the hardest part is waiting 30 minutes while it builds :P
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: notify the maintainer of my report that IFF_RUNNING is not the flag to use. In the new source it's still using IFF_RUNNING: backend.c:206:	devinfo->running = (netload.if_flags & (1L << GLIBTOP_IF_FLAGS_RUNNING) ? TRUE : FALSE);
[17:59] <DaemonDEB> the procedure is roughly the same as it is on Debian, so I'm unaware why you would need an Ubuntu Studio
[17:59] <DaemonDEB> it would still not be optimal for your CPU
[18:01] <josh-l> hey folks, got a problem here with jaunty, i can only connect to my router if I turn off wep.... help?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> time to go to #hacklaviva! see you guys in a few minutes
[18:03] <DaemonDEB> the biggest gain you'll notice from switching from 32-bit to 64-bit Ubuntu is that the 64-bit CPU no longer lets you compile binaries using the 387 floating point unit (which is what the Ubuntu kernel uses otherwise)
[18:03] <DaemonDEB> the 32-bit kernel is essentially meant for the Pentium Pro circa 1995
[18:04] <DaemonDEB> it can't make use of most of the features of even the Pentium II or K6 era
[18:04] <josh-l> anyone pls
[18:05] <DaemonDEB> if you want to do audio mixing using a kernel meant for a CPU from the mid 90's, knock yourself out, heh
[18:05] <tgpraveen> i thhought frm dual core only could we run 64 bit oses
[18:05] <DaemonDEB> no, you can do SMP on a 32-bit Intel CPU
[18:06] <tgpraveen> dual core,core 2 duo, quad core etc. pentium for eg doesnt support 64 bit
[18:06] <DaemonDEB> the Core Duo on the mac was a 32-bit dual core CPU
[18:06] <DaemonDEB> other than in the Mac your really only saw them in laptops
[18:06] <DaemonDEB> also you could buy a dual socket motherboard as far back as, well, forever basically
[18:07] <DaemonDEB> If I'm not too far off base, most of OS X is actually 32-bit, and the kernel can be either 32 or 64-bit, you can also do that on Solaris, BSD, and Linux
[18:08] <josh-l> can anyone tell me please what the kubuntu network manager is called
[18:08] <DaemonDEB> I don't see why you'd want to though, if you have the hardware you should just go 64-bit
[18:09] <charlie-tca> knetwork-manager, isn't it?
[18:09] <DaemonDEB> KDE has been an unmitigated disaster anywhere I've tried it, I think I spent all of 20 minutes with Kubuntu Jaunty
[18:09] <charlie-tca> DaemonDEB: That is not really helpful at all
[18:09] <bazhang> !ot | DaemonDEB
[18:10] <bazhang> DaemonDEB, please take chat elsewhere
[18:10] <DaemonDEB> I think Kubuntu is just using the KNetworkManager Plasmoid, most distros have been ignoring that and using whatever network manager applet they use for GNOME
[18:14] <tom451> i'm using kubuntu jaunty and having a problem with "logging out" of the kde session - I get just a black screen, but not the kdm login screen?
[18:15] <fatbrain> anyway I can get my apple-keyboard to work as it would in osx?? I would like to use command-key instead of ctrl ..
[18:19] <afflux> my gnome profile seems to be a little bit broken.  when it starts up the gnome-panel uses 100% of the cpu and it fills with "launching file browser..." entries. Any idea whats wrong?
[18:23] <unixdawg> is there a pkg for wbar ?
[18:23] <unixdawg> or is there a way to get the osx bar launcher
[18:36] <fosco__> unixdawg, you have many alternatives
[18:36] <fosco__> cairo-dock, gnome-do, avant-window-navigator...
[18:45] <ripps> exit
[18:46] <unixdawg> ok got it
[18:53] <unixdawg> I found the quicklauncher inthe widgets
[18:53] <unixdawg> thats what I wanted
[18:53] <askand> is a bug reported about ubuntu defaulting at 13.33333 font size?
[18:53] <fosco__> ok
[18:54] <bruce89> askand: I can't remember what package the change is in
[18:54] <fosco__> askand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts
[18:54] <bruce89> fosco__: no, there was a conscious patch to change it
[18:59] <rww> fosco__: isn't that concerning Jaunty using X's DPI? That wouldn't change the default font size =/
[18:59] <fosco__> default font size for me in alpha6 is 10
[19:00] <rww> I installed from an alpha6 .iso yesterday and it was 13.3333
[19:00] <askand1> bruce89: it was? it would indeed be interesting to know how that descision was reached
[19:01] <bruce89> askand1: the Ubuntu developers have flipped
[19:01] <yogich>  Jaunty-Alpha5 bluetooth worked great.  Alpha6 bluetooth is busted.f  One dongle will pair, but that is all.  Other won't pair at all.
[19:01] <askand1> bruce89: that is the only possible explanation :S
[19:02] <bruce89> I was thinking about notify-osd and update-manager
[19:02] <askand1> ahaa
[19:04] <yogich>  Jaunty-Alpha5 bluetooth worked great.  Alpha6 bluetooth is busted.f  One dongle will pair, but that is all.  Other won't pair at all.  Anyone know why?
[19:04] <bruce89> askand1: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaunty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg06936.html
[19:05] <askand1> bruce89: thanks mate
[19:05] <bruce89> indeed they have gone mad if you read the bug
[19:06] <bruce89> bug title says font is too big - they make it even bigger
[19:07] <yogich>  Jaunty-Alpha5 bluetooth worked great.  Alpha6 bluetooth is busted.f  One dongle will pair, but that is all.  Other won't pair at all.  Anyone else?  Any ideas?
[19:07] <IntuitiveNipple> It made the notebooks look like they had switched to 640x480 or something
[19:08] <askand1> bruce89: haha, I don't know if I should laugh or cry. seriosly.
[19:08] <BUGabundo> yogich: there was a patch to fix it
[19:08] <BUGabundo> maybe it busted on your end
[19:08] <BUGabundo> let me try to find it for you
[19:09] <BUGabundo> yogich: bug 284994
[19:09] <yogich> BUGabundoz; Thanks, a bunch. :-)
[19:10] <unixdawg> cario dock looks promissing also
[19:10] <askand1> bruce89: "13.333 px is a reasonable default" that guy should be using orca magnifier installed by default
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> lol @ askand
[19:10] <yogich> BUGabundo: Couldn't find it, in GOOGLE... must be recent...?
[19:10] <noren> BUGabundo: on an average how many patches are released everyday, i download 15 to 20 everyday ??
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> askand: Is it pixels or points? how can any display do fractional pixels without forced blurring, even with anti-alias?
[19:11] <bruce89> Ubuntu should just give up with desktops and go for non-experienced netbooks
[19:12] <BUGabundo> yogich: actually real old!
[19:12] <bruce89> they're trying to piss me off as much as possible I notice
[19:12] <BUGabundo> noren those are called Updates
[19:12] <BUGabundo>  !updates
[19:12] <BUGabundo>  !update
[19:12] <yogich> BUGabundo: Interesting.  Must not have looked at enough pages. LOL  Thanks.  I found the page, and am looking it over.
[19:13] <noren> ahh updates
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I have been getting the feeling that some of these changes are made based on a few developers personal perceptions, and never rigorously investigated in the wider community before changes are implemented. They then come as a shock and disjoint to others.
[19:15] <yogich> BUGabundo: I guess the O
[19:15] <yogich> I guess the OBEX server is busted, too.
[19:16] <yogich> BUGabundo: ...or maybe it'll work, when the device is finally paired.
[19:16] <BUGabundo> don't know
[19:16] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: don't EVERY dev do that?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> they write what they think best
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Not this one :)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> and if test is done, its on their small circle
[19:19] <yogich> Rock on... ;)
[19:21] <BUGabundo> guys *we* here at hacklaviva.net tonight are going to play around with CanAntenas!
[19:21] <BUGabundo> any special Tips, before we jam the block?
[19:21] <ikonia> guys - this is jaunty discussion
[19:22] <ikonia> BUGabundo: you've been asked about this before
[19:22] <c_korn> I have a full encrypted FS on jaunty and want to use a schroot. now inside that schroot I cannot access my files in my home directory. (jaunty.i386)korn@ubuntu:~$ ls
[19:22] <c_korn> Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop  README.txt
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ikonia: im on jaunty! I want to know if jaunty changed something
[19:23] <unixdawg> ok this rocks now my laptop looks like what I wantd
[19:23] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no - that's not what you asked
[19:23] <ikonia> BUGabundo: and you know it
[19:24] <ikonia>  BUGabundo> guys *we* here at hacklaviva.net tonight are going to play around with CanAntenas!
[19:24] <ikonia> you've been told about advertising URLS in the channel, and you've been told about keeping to the channels topics
[19:24] <BUGabundo> ikonia: actually that's the 1st time (after that time of a NSFW link) that I here that
[19:25] <BUGabundo> the link was only to specify my location
[19:25] <ikonia> BUGabundo: but you've heard it before
[19:25] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no it wasn't - it was advertising you're group
[19:25] <BUGabundo> its not my group
[19:25] <BUGabundo> mine is another
[19:25] <BUGabundo> OT
[19:25] <BUGabundo> pvt lets not plute everyone
[19:26] <ikonia> BUGabundo: *we* at $URL
[19:26] <ikonia> BUGabundo: that is advertising a group you are part of
[19:36] <DaemonDEB> ikonia: Would you like to know more than /version told you?
[19:36] <DaemonDEB> I can give you a verbose dump of my system report
[19:36] <DaemonDEB> if you like
[19:37] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: no thanks
[19:37] <ikonia> this is not relevent to this channel
[19:37] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: please read the /topic
[19:38] <DaemonDEB> it's considered rude to send unsolicited PM's and ctcp requests
[19:38] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: yes it is, if you wish to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss it I'd be happy to explain myself
[19:39] <bruce89> !pm
[19:43] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to enable backspace in screen
[19:44] <maxb> ripps: um, it just works? What do you need to enable?
[19:44] <ripps> maxb: No, it doesn't work for me
[19:45] <maxb> The describe the exact manner and environment in which it doesn't work
[19:45] <maxb> *Then
[19:46] <c_korn> is the encrypted home directory already disabled in jaunty?
[19:46] <ripps> maxb: "screen irssi -c Ubuntu" backspace stops working, while normal irssi backspace works
[19:47] <maxb> It is specific to irssi, not shell in screen, then?
[19:48] <GibbaTheHutt> does anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot gnome-keyring not working right ?
[19:49] <maxb> gkr does many things, you'd need to be more specific
[19:49] <ripps> maxb: well, backspace acts weird in a normal screen terminal (creates weird characters when backspacing too far), and just doesn't backspace in irssi
[19:49] <maxb> precisely which weird characters?
[19:50] <ripps> maxb: a box with weird symbols inside it.
[19:50] <GibbaTheHutt> basically I have an ssh key. Works fine on other dists (copied straight over and perms checked). I've also tested it via ssh-agent/ssh-add and it logs me on fine via passphrase. With gnome-keyring, it prompts me for a password (which is seems to accept), but then doesn't seem to use that ssh key or somethign
[19:51] <maxb> doesn't use that key when?
[19:51] <GibbaTheHutt> after it asks for the password/phars
[19:51] <maxb> when connecting how?
[19:51] <GibbaTheHutt> erm phrase, it then tries to login
[19:51] <GibbaTheHutt> via ssh, via gnome-termnal
[19:51] <fatbrain> If I make changes to the Keyboard>Layout Options, where does that get stored? The setting "Alt/Win key behavior" is stuck at a non-default option, and there's no way to change it back to Default. So I need to do it manually somehow... :S
[19:52] <maxb> ripps: in shell without screen, and shell inside screen, try pressing Ctrl+V, Backspace and say what symbols appear. I'm expecting ^?
[19:54] <maxb> GibbaTheHutt: In the same terminal as you are trying to use ssh, run "echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK" and say the result
[19:55] <ripps> maxb: pasting the character in a normal terminal shows nothing
[19:55] <maxb> huh? Oh. Ctrl+V does not mean paste in this context
[19:56] <ripps> oh, you mean type "ctrl+v" then "backspace within screen. That does indeed create a "^?"
[19:56] <GibbaTheHutt> maxb /tmp/keyring-LZxxxx/socket.ssh
[19:56] <maxb> hmm. So at least we know your session is actually trying to talk to the gkr-daemon
[19:57] <maxb> GibbaTheHutt: Does "ssh-add -l" show the key?
[19:57] <GibbaTheHutt> it shows a key
[19:58] <GibbaTheHutt> I'm not sure if thats the one I added earlier via ssh-add though, or something via kgr
[19:58] <GibbaTheHutt> gkr even
[20:03]  * DaemonDEB hmmmmmms
[20:03]  * DaemonDEB goes off to file a bug
[20:04]  * bruce89 didn't know you had to hum before filing bugs
[20:05] <DaemonDEB> it
[20:05] <DaemonDEB> it's mandatory
[20:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Those are the bugs I like to be assigned... happy bugs :)
[20:06] <ripps> maxb: Okay, after reading a bugreport, it seems I needed to add a few bindkeys to my .screenrc. Now backspace works in irssi
[20:36] <ripps> New issue; any sort of notification makes my compiz widget layer lose focus. Since this is where my terminal is, it's kind of annoying.
[20:49] <tabgal> ripps, there's something about notifications stealing focus, it's a configuration issue
[20:58] <arp13> hello all
[20:58] <arp13> I'm having kind of problems with lvm2 package
[20:58] <arp13> actually, I'm not sure, that it's about it
[20:59] <arp13> but anyway...
[20:59] <arp13> I got daily-build of jaunty, planned to install it, using lvm2.
[21:00] <arp13> but, later, after successfull installation, when I try sudo modprobe dm_mod
[21:01] <arp13> it says - FATAL: no such module
[21:01] <arp13> is that a feature or bug?
[21:01] <arp13> everything works fine at 8.10
[21:01] <arp13> if somebody could test it, I would appreciate that much
[21:07] <Turl> hi
[21:07] <Turl> is the usplash final?
[21:07] <Amaranth> ish
[21:07] <jpds> Turl: You've been told yes in -devel.
[21:07] <Turl> jpds: that guy said he wasn't sure
[21:08] <Turl> I want a confirmation
[21:08] <jpds> Turl: #ubuntu-art maybe?
[21:08] <Turl> thanks jpds
[21:08] <yofel> can anybody here set the frequency of his cpu with kernel 2.6.28? I can set it with cpufreq-select but the settings are ignored.
[21:08] <Turl> yofel: I can
[21:09] <yofel> odd...
[21:09] <Turl> yofel: I'm using the cpufreq applet
[21:10] <Turl> yofel: the one that says "CPU clock monitor" or sth like that (have a spanish Ubuntu)
[21:10] <yofel> I'm usually using that too, and the settings get applied, but judging from the cpu-temperature and powertop the get ignored
[21:11] <Turl> yofel: I don't think it heats more if the clock is higher but without load
[21:11] <Turl> try to compile something and then test with the temperatures
[21:11] <knittl> hi. i just upgraded to jaunty, but amarok won't play any music anymore :(
[21:12] <dtchen> knittl: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[21:12] <dtchen> more precisely, do you have both GNOME and KDE installed?
[21:12] <knittl> and it didn't preserve scores and ratings from my old sqlite db
[21:12] <knittl> dtchen: ubuntu with gnome and amarok
[21:12] <Turl> knittl: did you try unmuting your speakers? maybe the upgrade muted them
[21:12] <Turl> happened here some times
[21:12] <knittl> Turl: no, i get an error in amarok
[21:13] <Turl> oh, I can't help you then
[21:13] <knittl> sound is kinda weird though on startup. it's cracking
[21:13] <Turl> knittl: then I guess it's a pulseaudio/alsa error
[21:13] <knittl> or phonon
[21:13] <Turl> what?
[21:13] <knittl> soundserver in kde
[21:13] <usser_> ehm what happened to xchat? wheres the menubar?
[21:14] <yofel> Turl: I know, i measure the temperatur with 100% CPU, and i know exactly which temperatures are possible with a set frequency
[21:14] <dtchen> knittl: make sure that 1) PCM and Master are not muted or zeroed; 2) your default PulseAudio sink is the intended one (check with pavucontrol)
[21:14] <usser_> oh nvm
[21:14] <yofel> also powertop shows that the cpu speeds up although it should not
[21:14] <dtchen> knittl: for the crackling, you should use the test kernel at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[21:15] <Halow> The test kernel worked great for me, by the way. :)
[21:15] <knittl> i have a selfcompiled kernel, could use that as well
[21:15] <knittl> and volume is up (rhythmbox is working, and everything else too)
[21:15] <DanaG> I sometimes have no sound until I mute and then unmute in pavucontrol.
[21:15] <dtchen> knittl: your self-compiled kernel probably doesn't have the necessary patch
[21:16] <dtchen> DanaG: known
[21:16] <DanaG> It starts out unmuted... but I have to MUTE it.. and then re-unmute.
[21:16] <DanaG> Known issue?  Cool.
[21:16] <bruce89> same here
[21:16] <knittl> dtchen: this is a jaunty specific problem then? i hadn't had problems with my own kernel in intrepid
[21:16] <dtchen> Halow: how so? i.e., what were the symptoms prior and after?
[21:16] <dtchen> knittl: yes, specific to jaunty. intrepid did not have a pulseaudio version capable of glitch-free.
[21:17] <dtchen> as i stated in another channel, the audio stacks in hardy, intrepid, and jaunty are radically different
[21:17] <knittl> ok.
[21:17] <Halow> I was having crackling and stuttering. With it, everything went very smooth.
[21:17] <knittl> hm, i just found a funny "bug"
[21:17] <arp13> heh, nobody is using lvm2? :-(
[21:17] <knittl> my volume-keys change volume of analog volume + master
[21:18] <knittl> that's the reason why i can't hear a thing below 50% master
[21:18] <knittl> i wondered for ages
[21:19] <knittl> known issue?
[21:19] <solarion> dtchen: how about here? :)
[21:19] <dtchen> solarion: it has been rehashed to death in this channel
[21:20] <dtchen> knittl: that's your hardware
[21:20]  * solarion shrugs
[21:20] <knittl> dtchen: is then a way to turn of control of master channel? so the buttons just operate on hardware?
[21:21] <knittl> 50 % being muted is pretty lame ^^
[21:21] <dtchen> knittl: choose different mixer controls via System> Preferences> Sound ?
[21:24] <knittl> grml … too easy, haven't thought of that >.<
[21:28] <DanaG> Ugh, the GDM background was far nicer when the logo wasn't so frickin' huge.\
[21:28] <DanaG> And was nestled nicely in the corner.
[21:29] <dtchen> i'm convinced that if you're staring at gdm more often than twice per week, something's wrong ;-)
[21:29] <dtchen> (obviously i'm biased, as that is one user on one computer.)
[21:30] <knittl> jaunty's really responsive, i'm astonished
[21:31] <knittl> gnome/gui that is
[21:31] <DanaG> I also WAS using the gdm background as wallpaper... but now it's gone fugly.
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> dtchen: what about on a laptop? i see gdm everyday on my laptop
[21:33] <dtchen> billybigrigger_: your usage patterns are likely vastly different to mine
[21:33] <billybigrigger_> probably
[21:33] <dtchen> i rarely reboot
[21:33] <billybigrigger_> but i dont leave my laptop running 24/7, my desktop is another story
[21:34] <dtchen> right, i don't either. i suspend-to-ram and resume from it.
[21:34] <billybigrigger_> fair enough, i should get used to doing that :P
[21:34] <DrHalan> suspending is slower than rebooting for me :()
[21:35] <billybigrigger_> lol what?
[21:35]  * billybigrigger_ just try suspend
[21:35] <billybigrigger_> no way thats slower than reboot
[21:36] <solarion> actually, there is
[21:36] <solarion> unlikely, tho
[21:36] <billybigrigger_> cant believe i tried kde again, back to gnome
[21:36] <solarion> just never say "no way taht X is possible" 'cause nature will just specifically go out and find a way to show you how wrong you can be. :)
[21:36] <billybigrigger> solarion, so true
[21:40] <knittl> hm, on restarting amarok i get an error (warning?) that playback doesn't work (something with phonon, blabla) and falling back to default
[21:45] <dtchen> knittl: what's the precise error?
[21:45] <dtchen> knittl: if Phonon is reporting that ALSA is not available and that it's falling back to PulseAudio, that's expected.
[21:46] <dtchen> knittl: (i.e., PulseAudio is the default subsystem in GNOME)
[21:46] <knittl> ha, it works!
[21:46] <knittl> needed to install phonon-backend-xine
[21:55] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I was reading about 2.6.29 kernel. It is said that it has patches for alsa codecs. Should I try them ?
[21:55] <atiredmachine> Hello, since this morning my Jaunty no longer runs in graphics mode.  As soon as GDM is supposed to run I have black and white bars scrolling across my screen and nothing else happens.
[21:56] <dtchen> 2.6.29 is no less broken
[21:56] <dtchen> you need to try alsa-driver git HEAD
[21:56] <dtchen> stable, not unstable
[21:57] <aboSamoor> dtchen: can I compile alsa driver against 28 kernel ?
[21:57] <atiredmachine> I assume a recent XORG update is incompatible with my system.  Is there anything I can do?
[21:58] <aboSamoor> atiredmachine: look at and paste .xsession-errors ;)
[21:58] <dtchen> aboSamoor: sure. you just need headers installed for the target kernel.
[21:59] <atiredmachine> alright, I'll boot back up into ubuntu and see what's in there.
[22:02] <c_korn> I currently installed the jaunty daily in virtualbox. my gdm does not start after I installed the guest additions: http://pastebin.com/f68d3295f
[22:03] <c_korn> is this an ubuntu or virtualbox problem?
[22:03] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I used to compile the wireless drivers, they have very nice tools to install and uninstall the drivers, are they available if I download git snapshot ?
[22:03] <charlie-tca> c_korn: did it work before you installed guest additions?
[22:04] <c_korn> yes
[22:04] <dtchen> aboSamoor: autotoolised. make {,un}install
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I think it is virtualbox
[22:10] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: hey
[22:10] <BUGabundo> humm intuitivenipple is gone
[22:13] <aboSamoor> dtchen: no autotoolised in the git tar.gz file ! searching for tutorial for compilation ...
[22:18] <bruce89> aboSamoor: autogen.sh
[22:18] <atiredmachine> Hey, where do I find that .xsession-log?
[22:19] <dtchen> ~/.xsession-errors or what?
[22:20] <atiredmachine> that's confusing to me, so xsession runs under a user even though it launches before  a person has logged in?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I think those are the session errors
[22:20] <BUGabundo> *after* k/GDM login
[22:21] <aboSamoor> bruce89: I have program called autogen, no file autogen.sh I downloaded this file [http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=snapshot;h=70f7845ac33bf96b6e62178e83c67b82659ae9e5]
[22:21] <dtchen> if you're looking for X Window System logs, see /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[22:21] <dtchen> s/X Window System/Xorg/
[22:22] <atiredmachine> ok, sorry, so as soon as GDM tries launching my display just goes haywire, and somebody told me to look at a log file, but I don't know where to find it.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> atiredmachine: 1st try to choose failsafe session
[22:22] <BUGabundo> you can choose it from k/gdm
[22:22] <atiredmachine> gdm doesn't load
[22:22] <aboSamoor> atiredmachine: vim ~/.xsession-errors
[22:23] <bruce89> aboSamoor: read the INSTALL file
[22:23] <atiredmachine> I'm saying that nothing graphical (including GDM itself) works.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ok atiredmachine
[22:23] <BUGabundo> what CPU?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ATi?
[22:24] <atiredmachine> Thinkpad T43
[22:24] <BUGabundo> please reboot into recovery console, and try to run XFIX
[22:24] <DanaG> T43?  What video card?
[22:24] <atiredmachine> Tried it
[22:24] <atiredmachine> ATI
[22:25] <DanaG> I have a Mobility HD3650 (or as HP calls it, the Mobility FireGL V5700), and I just plain can't use fglrx -- it panics.
[22:25] <BUGabundo> most probably you have been it by some bug of the new driver
[22:25] <atiredmachine> 64mb ATI X300 video card
[22:25] <BUGabundo> atiredmachine: please reboot into recovery console, and try to run XFIX
[22:26] <atiredmachine> BUGabundo, I'm pretty sure I already have to no avail, but I will try again.  I'll be back shortly.
[22:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[22:26] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I don't have much experience with ATi cards
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I only owned NVs and Intels
[22:27] <BUGabundo> but shouldn't at least the OpenSource driver work
[22:27] <DrHalan> community-themes and gnome-themes-ubuntu seems to be the same now...
[22:27] <BUGabundo> even in bad performance?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> NVs always works
[22:27] <atiredmachine> I'm pretty sure I've been using the open source driver, as there has been no fglrx driver hitherto for Jaunty, am I not correct?
[22:27] <DrHalan> i recommend using ati
[22:28] <DrHalan> the open source driver became kinda fast now. At least i can play games like nexuiz on my laptop
[22:30] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with radeon is lack of power management.
[22:30] <sebsebseb> I am quite happy at the gnome set up I just did.   some backgrounds will allow   for colours at the top and bottom of them, if they don't fill up the screen
[22:30] <sebsebseb> in this Gnome :D
[22:31] <DrHalan> oh my god they finally did it. the dust theme is now in ubuntu-desktop =)
[22:31] <sebsebseb> set up isn't quite how I  wanted I guess, but  whatever this will do
[22:31] <sebsebseb> DrHalan: the dust theme?????
[22:31] <DanaG> Anyone know why compiz thinks the r300 doesn't do texture_from_pixmap?
[22:32] <DrHalan> sebsebseb: yes it has been on the wiki for some time, then in community-themes and now it is in gnome-themes-ubuntu which gets installed by ubuntu-desktop
[22:32] <sebsebseb> DrHalan: maybe blubuntu GDM should be a default for  GDM.  instead of just in the repo as an option
[22:32] <BUGabundo> DanaG: my nvidia even with closed drivers has no way to control the power
[22:32] <sebsebseb> DrHalan: I love the blubuntu gdm screen
[22:32] <BUGabundo> and from my POV its 90% on 100%
[22:32] <DrHalan> its nice :)
[22:32] <sebsebseb> DrHalan: used that since hardy or something, not sure how long it's been in the repo for
[22:32] <sebsebseb> DrHalan: you know it as well?
[22:32] <DrHalan> yeah sure i tried blubuntu
[22:33] <DrHalan> but i think dust is much nicer, i like dark themes but darkroom sucked
[22:33] <sebsebseb> the theme won't work though
[22:33] <sebsebseb> well  errors for the theme
[22:33] <DrHalan> yeah i remember i had to remove it at some point
[22:33] <sebsebseb> I don't like black on my computer except for like text
[22:33] <sebsebseb> so
[22:33] <sebsebseb> that new default ubuntu gdm
[22:33] <sebsebseb> I don't like it much
[22:33] <bruce89> can't please everyone
[22:33] <sebsebseb> I had seen screenshots before going 9.04.  and then I tried it yesterday, after upgrading, and no thanks.   blubuntu for the win :)
[22:34] <bruce89> it's always the same
[22:34] <sebsebseb> xubuntu's mist theme as an option as well.  or whatever it was.  for gdm.  not sure if I had that before
[22:34] <sebsebseb> bruce89: what is?
[22:34] <bruce89> the complaining about the theme
[22:34] <sebsebseb> bruce89: heh yeah
[22:35] <sebsebseb> well Ubuntu do crappy themes really
[22:35] <bruce89> literally
[22:35] <sebsebseb> however  the darker default background, I quite like that
[22:35] <sebsebseb> this lighter one is ok as well
[22:35] <sebsebseb> for 9.04
[22:35]  * jpds likes the themes.
[22:35] <aboSamoor> bruce89: INSTALL file says that I have to run ./configure, but there is no file called configure in the tar file i downloaded !
[22:36] <bruce89> aboSamoor: true
[22:36] <BUGabundo> here is my desktop/theme today http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/20-03-2009.png.php
[22:37] <sebsebseb> yeah if Canocial are reading this right now, or  later on by reading the log. well here is my advice to them.   get a proper Ubuntu eye candy team sorted out,  or  Windows 7 is rather likely to  be better than Ubuntu by a long way, when it comes to default backgrounds and log in screens.
[22:37] <sebsebseb> yeah  Microsoft are  getting quite good with  eye candy in WIndows now
[22:37] <sebsebseb> starting to be
[22:37] <bruce89> if they are listening, stop being so arrogant
[22:37] <sebsebseb> bruce89: lol
[22:37] <bruce89> http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotg.png
[22:37] <sebsebseb> people like pretty graphics
[22:38] <sebsebseb> it matters
[22:38] <bruce89> not everyone
[22:38] <aboSamoor> bruce89: I feel stupid :/ sorry  for disturbance
[22:38] <sebsebseb> bruce89: well  average computer users do, and isn't that who we would like starting to use Ubuntu?
[22:38] <bruce89> aboSamoor: you're allowed to ask questions
[22:38] <bruce89> sebsebseb: I don't care
[22:39] <aboSamoor> bruce89: the idea there is no configure file in the tar file, what am I supposed to do ?
[22:39] <sebsebseb> bruce89: some more  backgrounds can be added from the repo,  and some of those are quite nice, but that's not clear to   newbies
[22:39] <bruce89> aboSamoor: I see, the INSTALL files says something
[22:40] <bruce89> aboSamoor: line 144, "Compilation from HG sources"
[22:40] <BUGabundo> studies show that >85% never change their Desktop theme
[22:40] <ripps> The latest kernel seems to be kinda unstable. I've been getting more freezes and kernel oops the past two days than the entire month I've been using Jaunty
[22:40] <jpds> sebsebseb: You're more than free to download the source, and do all the hard work yourself.
[22:40] <bruce89> BUGabundo: such as me (usually)
[22:40] <BUGabundo> ripps: humm what GPU?
[22:40] <barberio> Hi. Can anyone confirm that the latest python2.6-minimal build lacks zlib support?
[22:41] <sebsebseb> jpds: heh I would if I could,   who are you by the way?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> bruce89: seen mine? nothing in there is standard
[22:41] <BUGabundo> barberio: you already asked it on a more "smart" #
[22:41] <ripps> BUGabundo: radeon rv350
[22:41] <BUGabundo> here you won't find extra details
[22:41] <BUGabundo> ripps: I blame it on the new driver
[22:41] <bruce89> usually I'm lazy
[22:42] <atiredmachine> I'm back.  my ~/.xsession-error file is non-existant
[22:42] <ripps> BUGabundo: well, I would have considered that, but the driver was updated several days prior to the kernel update and everything was fine.
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ripps: it just got updated 2 days ago
[22:43] <BUGabundo> atiredmachine: it's a mistery
[22:43] <BUGabundo> but did you manage to login in a safe session?
[22:43] <atiredmachine> to the prompt, yeah, no problem.
[22:43] <jpds> sebsebseb: apt-get source <packagename> is your friend.
[22:43] <ripps> Oh, I must not have noticed an update slipped in more recently
[22:44] <atiredmachine> but if I run startx I see whatever was left in the video buffer, but a glitched version of it.
[22:44] <sebsebseb> jpds: yeah what about it?
[22:44] <bruce89> jpds: depends what you're doing
[22:44] <atiredmachine> which in this case was the windows logoff screen
[22:44] <DanaG> oh yeah, ALSA no longer uses HG.
[22:44] <DanaG> Now I think it uses git.
[22:44] <bruce89> doesn't everything?
[22:45] <DanaG> MY FACE doesn't. =þ
[22:45] <DanaG> s/.*FACE/YOUR MOM/
[22:45] <DanaG> =þ
[22:45] <bruce89> No, I don't think she'd have much use for it
[22:45] <DanaG> Sorry, I just couldn't resist making that joke.
[22:45] <BUGabundo> DanaG: calm down!
[22:45] <DanaG> =þ
[22:46] <atiredmachine> Somebody was suggesting that I might be able to try to switch drivers?
[22:46] <bruce89> even though I don't understand it
[22:46] <BUGabundo> atiredmachine: recovery console, root,
[22:46] <BUGabundo> and apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE
[22:48] <atiredmachine> BUGabundo, and what package would I be removing?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> #poll: does touchpad multi touch NOT work for how many in here? 2 user on identica say it doesn't!
[22:49] <BUGabundo> atiredmachine: beats me!
[22:49] <atiredmachine> how do I find out what video driver my system is using?
[22:50] <aboSamoor> bruce89: where is the alsa kernel folder supposed to be ?
[22:50] <bruce89> haven't a clue
[22:50] <bruce89> BUGabundo: WORKSFORME
[22:51] <BUGabundo> thnks bruce89... anyone else? foo or false?
[22:53] <yofel> atiredmachine: what video card do you have? (lspci | grep VGA)
[22:54] <atiredmachine> yofel 64mb ATI X300 video card
[22:57]  * DanaG has a touchpad that has the multi-finger features just plain LOCKED OUT.
[22:57] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[22:57] <BUGabundo> 7ffc7fdb4000-7ffc7fdba000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 481878                     /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[22:57] <BUGabundo> 7ffc7fdba000-7ffc7ffb9000 ---p 00006000 08:01 481878                     /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_moAborted (core dumped)
[22:57] <DanaG> Thaaanks, Synaptics!
[22:57] <BUGabundo> pidgin crashing all night
[22:58] <BUGabundo> runnig it now on gdb to catch a full bt
[22:58] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ok so -1 from you
[22:58] <BUGabundo> is that buggy or hw lack of support?
[22:58] <yofel> atiredmachine: check if you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed and try reinstalling it
[23:00] <atiredmachine> yofel how do I check that?
[23:00] <atiredmachine> nevermind, I think I can figure that out.
[23:00] <atiredmachine> yofel, if I uninstall the fglxr driver, will it default to the open source driver?
[23:00] <atiredmachine> or how do I use the open source driver instead?
[23:02] <atiredmachine> nevermind, I figured that out as well
[23:07] <Cycom> ok, I figured I should share this great success here.
[23:07] <Borg7-9> is it true that 9.04 will boot f***ing fast
[23:08] <Cycom> I'm running Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha 6, Cedega, and Steam.  I just played Left 4 Dead fullscreen with models and textures set to high.  I could shoot zombies.  My voice chat worked.  I was able to quickjoin a game.
[23:08] <Cycom> It just. Freaking. Worked.
[23:08] <bruce89> ew
[23:08] <BUGabundo> great Cycom
[23:08] <Cycom> I had to change some settings on L4D first, launching it with -dxlevel 80, but everything else was just like "oh yeah, supported!"
[23:09] <BUGabundo> remmeber to donate to WineHQ Project
[23:09] <BUGabundo> for their wonderful work
[23:09] <Borg7-9> wait jaunty its not even beta yet?? its only 3 weeks away
[23:09] <Cycom> BUGabundo: indeed!
[23:09] <BUGabundo> anything is good
[23:09] <BUGabundo> if everyone helps out, the project can be even better
[23:09] <Cycom> Borg7-9: 30 days away. final release is slated for April 23rd, isn't it?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> Cycom: yes
[23:10] <sebsebseb> yes Wine is getting there
[23:10] <sebsebseb> ,but people should try and run native stuff :)
[23:10] <Cycom> sebsebseb: there isn't a native linux client for steam. we don't have the market share yet :)
[23:10] <sebsebseb> yeah  market share exactly
[23:10] <Borg7-9> damn Cycom :( my b-day is on 20th :( can they release it sooner :P
[23:10] <sebsebseb> it really is a joke how programs like Wine are so important these days on Desktop Linux, because the crappy OS has most of the market
[23:10] <Cycom> Borg7-9: heh. I wish. but wouldn't you rather they release it BETTER!
[23:11]  * bruce89 has never properly used wine
[23:11] <Cycom> sebsebseb: well, I'm running office 2007 on here too.  Basically, I'm running the windows software I need / want that I can't get FOSS.
[23:11] <Cycom> Everything else (video player, web browser, etc. etc.) is all free stuff.
[23:11] <atiredmachine> hey guys, thanks.  I uninstalled the proprietary driver and that fixed the problem.
[23:11] <sebsebseb> Cycom: uhmmmmm tehse are all nice to, but sure will lack certain features that Office 2007 have.   ,but yes these are all nice :)  Open Office, KOffice,  Abiword, and Gnumeric
[23:12] <Cycom> atiredmachine: running an ATI video card?
[23:12] <thiebaude> sebsebseb: i agree
[23:12] <atiredmachine> cycom, yes
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Borg7-9: sure just fro your: RC
[23:12] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: to which comment?
[23:12] <Cycom> sebsebseb: I'd be using Evolution if it didn't hang/crash so often.
[23:12] <thiebaude> crappy OS remark
[23:12] <sebsebseb> Cycom: what about Thunderbird?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Cycom: video too? no closed codec?
[23:12] <Cycom> sebsebseb: doesn't support exchange.
[23:12] <BUGabundo> only ogg/vogg ?
[23:12] <thiebaude> ie6 is so crap on ubuntu
[23:13] <Cycom> BUGabundo: oh, yeah, I have closed codecs. Forgot about that. Medibuntu.
[23:13] <atiredmachine> Ever since I started using Jaunty my system has defaulted to the open source driver, so I have no idea why all of a sudden this morning it had switched over the the proprietary driver
[23:13] <sebsebseb> Cycom: well I guess it would have by now, but Firefox is Mozilla's priority, hence why  Firefox 3.1 is nearly out, and Thunderbird is still on version 2
[23:13] <BUGabundo> Cycom: no closed Firmware for devices?
[23:13] <sebsebseb> would have been by now above
[23:13] <Cycom> BUGabundo: not on this box, no.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> touchpad, disk, mem, LCD, BT?
[23:13] <Cycom> BUGabundo: my video driver is the nvidia one. forgot about that too.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> are you really sure?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:14] <BUGabundo> so you see? you live surrounded by closed source
[23:14] <BUGabundo> even if you have good intentions
[23:14] <sebsebseb> ,but browsers  are more important than  what email client someone uses anyway.  browsers, well their rendering enginge to be exact, dicates,  what happens to the web.  hence why the web is not that great, since IE has most of the market and  lacks  tons of webstandards coding suppourt
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Cycom
[23:14] <Cycom> BUGabundo: this is true, but I am making progress :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> but, hey, next time, when installing , choose F6 and the FOSS only
[23:14] <sebsebseb> uh  at typing stuff to quick before I checked it, above it was meant to say dictates
[23:15] <Cycom> my favorite part is that Ubuntu has support for my sound card when vista did not.
[23:17] <sebsebseb> well I don't get any log in sound in this 9.04 alpha6, but oh well,  and I guess that will be fixed for the final anyway
[23:17] <c_korn> is there a way to automatically install the build-depends when inside a chroot?
[23:18]  * DanaG has no binary drivers in place, unless vboxdrv happens to count.
[23:20] <BUGabundo> DanaG: wanna bet?
[23:20]  * BUGabundo bets a Banana Dance!
[23:20] <bruce89> nice
[23:20] <DanaG> Well, does the iwlwifi firmware count?  It's not a driver, per se.
[23:21] <bruce89> someone tells me that Pidgin doesn't work without that infernal indicator nonsense
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I said firmware above!
[23:22] <BUGabundo> bruce89: pidgin DOES work without
[23:22] <BUGabundo> or it should
[23:22] <bruce89> allegedly it just exits
[23:22] <BUGabundo> really?
[23:22] <bruce89> see #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:24] <Milos_SD> what patches are included in ubuntu generic kernel?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> bruce89: mine is a bit crashy tonight
[23:25] <BUGabundo> it even made Notication Applet reload!
[23:25] <Milos_SD> I want to compile kernel with 1000 Hz timer but don't know if to compile kernel that ubuntu provides or vanila one from kernel.org
[23:33] <MTecknology> I'm trying to connect to a VPN server using network-manager-openvpn. I'm running it through cli right now. It acts like it connects but then my connectivity dies completely. I get this error in the process. ** (nm-applet:10854): WARNING **: Unhandled setting secret type (write) 'vpn/secrets' : 'GHashTable_gchararray+gchararray_'
[23:39] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: can you test NM PPA version?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[23:39] <BUGabundo> you are on jaunty
[23:40] <BUGabundo> archive is higher then PPA
[23:40] <BUGabundo> please file a bug
[23:40] <BUGabundo> you will need this
[23:40] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingNetworkManager
[23:40] <Peddy> How do I enable removable device notifications such as this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Treatment%20of%20hardware%20device%20detection
[23:42] <BUGabundo> Peddy: I see them
[23:42] <BUGabundo> .... sometimes
[23:42] <BUGabundo> not sure why not always!
[23:42] <Peddy> hehe, so when you plug in a USB flash drive, you see that?
[23:43] <Peddy> because they work for pidgin and volume control (and wifi) notifications, but not removeable devices and things
[23:43] <Peddy> (for me)
[23:49] <MTecknology> what application do I launch to manage the gnome keyring?
[23:50] <MTecknology> I always thought there was a gnome-keyring-manager but I'm not seeing it
[23:50] <c_korn> seahorse?
[23:51] <MTecknology> thanks
[23:51] <MTecknology> hrm.... nm-applet isn't able to communicate w/ that tool
[23:52] <MTecknology> ** (nm-connection-editor:4667): WARNING **: couldn't communicate with gnome keyring daemon via dbus: Failed to execute program gnome-keyring-daemon: Success
[23:52] <MTecknology> that seems to be the cause of my issues
[23:58] <MTecknology> ya, I'll file a bug about it later
[23:58] <MTecknology> I think I'm seeing abother bug too
[23:59] <BUGabundo> need a confirmation/opinion:
[23:59] <BUGabundo> should Notifications expire no longer needed details?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> ex, exaile musics that you past fw...