[00:00] ? [00:00] trying to set up an email account from hom e [00:14] brb [00:24] man... cant establish connection to outgoing smtp server [00:24] it was working fine i dont get it [00:31] how do i tail a log ? [00:37] tail /log/file [00:39] http://pastebin.com/m119240e8 [00:39] all the sudden getting this error when trying to send mail using outlook [00:40] ugh whats up with the lagg [00:41] orudie: orudie did you change someting in postfix? [00:41] nothing [00:41] 0 [00:41] shit... [00:41] sorry for the language [00:42] orudie: try thunderbird [00:42] i tried [00:42] same thing [00:42] orudie: paste more lines from the log [00:42] i would really like to observe the tail of the log [00:43] tail mail.log shows a few lines , but rerurns back to bash [00:43] returns [00:43] orudie: [00:43] use tail -f /var/log/mail.log [00:43] and dont close that [00:44] ok [00:48] orudie: what is your domain name? [00:48] I cant help you test with telnet :D [00:51] hey [00:51] not telnet [00:51] jmedina, pm [00:56] managed to remap keys outside of X. can't believe it was so simple and i was overlloking it. [00:57] if anyone needs to do it, just run "dumpkeys > ~/yourkeymap; vim ~/yourkeymap" and then after that just do a loadkeys yourkeymap [01:03] Or sensible-editor :P [01:08] twb, let's not get into that discussion :P [01:08] mrbull: well, on your system it would run vim. [01:12] twb: well, vim comes as default, even if stripped down... [01:13] If you know you want vim then it's much easier to type. [01:14] Well, "ed" is even easier, especially on qwerty [01:16] Question. Is there another way to configure samba besides /etc/samba/smb.conf? [01:16] chriszf: nop [01:16] there are graphic interfaces [01:16] a lot [01:16] Is Apache's HTAccess turned on by deafault? [01:16] In 8.04? [01:17] jmedina: I'm just curious what the right click->share folder mechanism uses, because it doesn't do anything in the /etc/samba directory. [01:17] chriszf: I dont know, dont use ubuntu desktop [01:18] ubuntu server doesnt have click->share [01:18] Yeah, I know it's kinda the wrong place, there's just a lot of noise in the #ubuntu channel. [01:18] Thanks, though. [01:19] chriszf: so what is the problem? [01:19] chriszf: that uses some funky gnome thing that I don't fully understand. [01:19] it is really easy create shares in samba [01:19] well that is GNOME :D [01:19] jmedina: Oh, I used it to make a share initially, then I dropped gnome, and I'm trying to reconfigure it. [01:21] chriszf: have you checked samba's section in the server guide? http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba [01:21] oops, that's actually in the community section, but end result is the same [01:22] mrbull: yeah, it's the usual 'edit smb.cnf', '/etc/init.d/samba reload' stuff. The mystery here is where my share is actually defined. [01:22] It's not in smb.conf. [01:23] chriszf: in the conf itself as a section named as how you want it to appear in the network [01:23] for example: [all_my_illegal_mp3s] [01:23] mrbull: Right. I think I didn't explain it correctly. [01:23] then inside you define its path and permissions. [01:23] I created a share with the graphical nautilus bit. [01:23] ok [01:23] And it exists and serves up files [01:24] BUT it doesn't put an entry into smb.conf [01:24] Now I want to change it, and I'm not using nautilus, but I can't find where the heck it's configured. [01:24] have you tried "locate smb" in the terminal? [01:25] maybe it's somewhere else [01:25] Yeah, I haven't tried that yet. [01:25] I think you want the nautilus-share package. [01:25] Description: Nautilus extension to share folder using Samba Nautilus Share allows you to quickly share a folder from the GNOME Nautilus file manager without requiring root access. [01:25] Homepage: http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/ [01:25] chriszf: have a look at the /usr/share/doc files, and other files (dpkg -L) for that package. [01:26] Ah, that looks promising. [01:26] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-780709 [01:26] ah crap [01:26] ah it uses net usershare :D [01:26] my other computer, from which i was copying the link for a discussion on nautilus-share went to sleep on its own [01:27] it was introduces in 3.0.23 [01:27] introduced [01:27] Ah, excellent. [01:27] you can use "net usershare" as normal user [01:27] and you dont requiere root access [01:27] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-780709.html [01:28] Perfect. That's exactly what I needed. Thanks, folks. [01:30] another happy customer [01:30] * jmedina goes out, time to real work [01:31] twb: on the "sensible editor" comment... i just had to reconfigure $EDITOR to vim as hitting v on vi mode for bash was popping nano. nano is NEVER sensible. [01:31] mrbull: you can use alternatives [01:32] jmedina: am i about to be preached? :P [01:32] i'm not joining the church! [01:32] mrbull: I think he means update-alternatives [01:32] yeap [01:32] oh [01:32] And not.. uhh. emacs. [01:32] Which is like, a blight on humanity. [01:32] * mrbull feels embarrassed [01:33] Haha. [01:33] mrbull: dont worry, I dont understand "preached" meaning :S [01:33] mrbull: haha, nano is rated higher than vim [01:33] emacs would probably be great with a foot pedal [01:33] mrbull: I didn't know that [01:33] * jmedina goes to dictionary [01:33] mrbull: I think it might also work with a throttle control and maybe some overhead switches. [01:34] chriszf: and beer goggles or a beer helmet [01:34] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FootSwitches [01:34] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GamePad [01:34] twb: GamePad? lol [01:35] Specifically, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsVersor is a way to run Emacs using a gamepad or other device with limited inputs. [01:35] last year I was with Stallman in the same car, he doesnt need a footwitch [01:35] footswtich [01:35] neither a gamepad [01:35] well he doesnt use X at all [01:35] jmedina: that's because he is so good [01:35] i can imagine a power emacs user wearing those datasomething one-per-hand keyboards, foot pedals and beer goggles [01:35] datahands [01:36] yeah [01:36] Haha. Does he have beard tendrils to handle the key combinations? [01:36] I expect his beard is a symbiotic lifeform [01:36] well, i guess i COULD use footswitches as esc/ctrl for vim [01:36] There's also http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacSpeak [01:36] ...which is Emacs for the visually impaired. [01:38] Hi I am needing help on configuring Exim4 using google as smtp [01:38] honestly i have to say i never did give emcas a try as most ssh sessions i connect to don't have emcas installed. plus, i find it ugly. but the last remark is just to piss twb off :P [01:38] the emcas typo wasn't though [01:38] that's bad typing [01:38] mrbull: only people who actually know Emacs can truly hate it. You merely dislike it. [01:38] mrbull: /msg fsbot salespitch [01:39] twb: lol [01:39] * mrbull is wearing a tinfoil hat [01:39] TimReichhart: do you just want to forward mail to an upstream smarthost? [01:39] twb: you won't convert me [01:39] I don't want to [01:39] i'm shielded [01:39] Emacs is like the dark side: powerful and corrupting. [01:39] yes if i can do that twb [01:40] And bad. [01:40] Slowly it takes over your system, so that one day CTCP VERSION rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.0.91.1 [01:40] TimReichhart: in that case I recommend you just use msmtp instead of a full-blown MTA. [01:40] TimReichhart: an example /etc/msmtprc is http://twb.ath.cx/Preferences/.msmtprc [01:41] TimReichhart: note that gmail requires you to supply it a username and password, unlike (probably) your ISP's smarthost. [01:41] so can you please tell me how to use my isp for doing that? [01:42] TimReichhart: you just supply your ISP's FQDN instead of mail.gmail.com, or so. [01:42] * jmedina has spanish instructions for postfix [01:42] well would it be like this mail.hometowncable.net [01:42] TimReichhart: if you look at the file I linked you to, you can see there is "internode" and "internode-nocrypt" there, which are ISP smarthosts. [01:42] TimReichhart: that depends on your ISP, you need to ask them [01:43] well that is the outgoing email server address [01:43] TimReichhart: that's probably what you want. [01:43] but when I tried that first time I got rejected email [01:44] That'll be because you misconfigured things. [01:44] well i am using nagios3 so how would i switch that to what your saying? [01:45] nagios3 should just send mail using /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is provided by whatever MTA you are using. [01:45] well nagios3 came with exim [01:45] Er, no it doesn't. [01:46] Installing nagios3 will probably for *an* MTA to be installed, which *by default* will be exim4. [01:46] yep [01:46] that is what im using [01:47] all i am looking to do is send out email [01:47] Regarding the smarthost settings, you should find something like this on your ISP's website: http://www.internode.on.net/support/guides/email/secure_email/ [01:48] well I know the my isp email server outgoing email server address [01:50] Then the next step is to attempt to inject mail into it directly using netcat. [01:50] e.g. "nc mail.foo.com smtp", which will open a connection, then "HELO" and the rest of the protocol. [01:51] so can you guide me how to reconfigure the exim [01:51] If it doesn't accept your connection, then you know your connection details are wrong. [01:51] TimReichhart: no, because we don't know if your details are right yet. [01:51] what is netcat? [01:51] Google will tell you. [01:52] i just did but im not understanding its saying [01:53] TimReichhart: do "sudo aptitude install netcat" [01:54] it said its already installed [01:54] OK, so what FQDN and port is your ISP's smarthost? [01:54] netcat is the best tool ever.It will make you feel like a hacker. [01:54] chriszf: ahem; socat. [01:55] well its my isp server is mail.hometowncable.net port 25 [01:55] TimReichhart: OK, so do "nc mail.hometowncable.net smtp" [01:56] I did that and here what I got : 220 mail.hometowncable.net ESMTP IceWarp 9.1.0; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:56:08 -0400 [01:57] TimReichhart: OK, good. [01:57] Now into that connection, do "HELO Fred". [01:58] It should say helo back. [01:59] i got 500 command unrecognized "HELO Fred" [01:59] 5.5.1* [01:59] Hmm, that's odd. [01:59] As for me, I get "550 5.7.1 Permission Denied" [01:59] nvm I had "" in there [02:00] TimReichhart: try with "ehlo domain.com" [02:00] jmedina: that's not necessary for a basic test. [02:00] HELO is for SMTP and EHLO for ESMTP [02:00] twb: ok [02:00] OK, so we have established that there is an MTA there and it's listening to you, and will probably accept mail. [02:00] jmedina, hi [02:00] TimReichhart: this is good enough to configure exim4. [02:01] TimReichhart: now do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", IIRC. [02:01] so how do I configure the exim then [02:01] Note that in general I would recommend postfix or msmtp (according to need) rather than exim4. [02:01] For your case I can't be bothered to argue for them, though. [02:02] jmedina, so if i cant telnet from home, that means i cant even work on it ? [02:02] alright what option do i pick? mail sent by smarthost by via stmp or mail sent by smarthost no local mail [02:02] orudie: you really ought to use either ssh or (if you're abusing telnet) netcat, not the telnet protocol. [02:03] TimReichhart: the former, I think. [02:03] TimReichhart: you want a "satellite", some configuration screens call it [02:04] when i did that reconfigure first comes up with that mail sent by smarthost by via stmp or mail sent by smarthost no local mail [02:09] any ideas? [02:11] Is Apache's HTAccess turned on by deafault? [02:11] In 8.04? [02:14] I mean .HTAccess files [02:15] In the Apache configuration [02:15] alright i got it resetup and i sent a test message to my account and still didnt get it [02:19] you still there twb? [02:21] Yes. [02:22] TimReichhart: look in /var/mail for non-zero files, error messages will probably appear there. [02:25] alright twb I dont see any errors in there [02:26] but I dont see the test message when I sent it to my gmail account [02:26] Shrug. [02:27] There's no much else I can do. You probably want to talk to your ISP's tech support, and to people who use exim4. [02:29] what should I ask when I speak to my isp tech support? [02:30] TimReichhart: you tell them what MTA you're using, how you configured it, the test mail you tried to send, and that it didn't arrive. [02:30] TimReichhart: but I expect they will probably tell you to fuck off and install Windows. YMMV, etc. [02:31] I can't really be bothered to help on this anymore. [02:31] what do you mean you cant be bothered to help? [02:32] It means you're on your own now. [02:36] lol [02:36] thats was funny [02:36] sorry [02:44] whos around ? [02:47] !anyone > orudie [02:47] orudie, please see my private message [02:47] just remember netskay when he say that to you [02:47] then it would be more funny [02:47] TimReichhart: hmm? [02:54] is there a way to change the port number of smtp server ? [02:55] orudie: yes. [02:55] twb, is it even wise to do that ? [02:55] orudie: generally it is unwinse. [02:55] *unwise. [02:56] orudie: the most common case I can think of is trying to run an MTA when the ISP specifically blocks port 25 and provides no way to enable it. [02:56] twb, this is exactly my situation [02:57] orudie: Changing it won't help. Even if you talk to a different port, no one will be listening. [02:57] ScottK: unless you futz things around, which is usually not worth the effort. [02:57] orudie: in that case I would normally recommend either getting a business-grade connection (which is good for other reasons), or to farm off your MTA service to a VPS or colo or similar. [02:58] The kind of domestic accounts that typically block port 25 aren't the kind you want to run an MX on anyway. [02:58] my MTA is on a VPS [02:59] If you want to relay via a different port to your MTA on a VPS, that's quite doable. [02:59] orudie: if port 25 is blocked on your VPS, then that's almost certainly something you can call your provider and ask to have changed. [03:00] port 25 is blocked by my isp, i installed ubuntu server 8.10 and postfix/dovecot on a VPS [03:01] OK, maybe we're using the term "VPS" differently. [03:01] cant authenticate to smtp server on port 25 from my isp which is blocking it [03:01] virtual private server ? [03:01] To my mind, a VM is something your run on your own box. A VPS is something you rent from a company in some datacenter, and you don't deal directly with an ISP. [03:01] yes, i rent a VPS from linode [03:02] OK, so the misunderstanding is with regards to what's being blocked. [03:02] port 25 by my home's isp [03:02] Are you trying to connect from your home ISP *to* port 25 at linode? [03:02] yeah [03:03] OK, then the filthy hack way would just be to use a port forward or tunnel or listen on a different port at linode. [03:04] hmmm [03:04] e.g. you configure postfix at linode to listen to port 587 (which it probably already does), and then you configure your MTA or MUA at home to send to that port instead of 25. [03:05] I don't know if submission (587) is routinely blocked by jackass ISPs [03:05] i think it is too :( [03:05] Obviously a better solution would be to switch to an ISP that is less retarded, thereby punishing your current ISP and rewarding good behaviour. [03:05] orudie: OK, so pick something else again [03:06] I run a mail service and I've only had a customer have 587 blocked once. [03:06] And that was in a hotel. [03:06] For hotels you probably want to just give up and use a VPN anyway [03:06] how can i find out if my server is configured to listen to on port 587 ? [03:06] The reasons to block 25 don't at all apply to 587, so it's probably OK. [03:06] orudie: attempt to connect to it (with netcat). [03:06] orudie: What MTA? [03:07] 14:03 port 25 is blocked by my isp, i installed ubuntu server 8.10 and postfix/dovecot on a VPS [03:07] Postfix it's easy enough. [03:07] You can also run "postconf" to see what the settings are. [03:07] The standard main.cf has a 'submission' service commented out that you just need to uncomment and restart postfix. [03:08] I wonder why it's not on by default [03:08] lemmi try something ... where should i start ? [03:08] You'll also probably want SMTP Auth (which is covered in the Ubuntu Server guide) [03:08] submission always struck me as an obvously good idea [03:08] Look in the server guide. [03:08] ScottK, smtp-auth is set up [03:08] ScottK, i followed the guide entirely [03:09] Then it should be just a matter of uncommenting the submission service in master.cf. [03:09] (I mistakenly said main.cf the first time) [03:09] If you have a firewall you'll need to open that port too. [03:10] postfix/error[2872]: 0970F8049: to=, relay=none, delay=132641, delays=132641/0/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) [03:13] anything on this ? [03:14] Sorry, nope [03:15] actually [03:15] uncommenting the submission service in master.cf worked very well :) [03:17] thanx boys [03:20] i was stuck for good amount of hours on this [03:20] :) [03:20] i even called my ISP to tell them WTF they blocking my port 25 for [03:25] orudie: there's a good reason to make 25 blocked by default [03:26] so i should block it ? [03:26] i'm talking about the server's side [03:27] ISPs block port 25 by default because otherwise their customers can become zombie spammers [03:27] should i make it stop listening on port 25 ? [03:27] oh [03:27] But it should still be opt-in, so that smart people like us can say "yes, please let me run postfix on my Debian network" [03:29] my isp unblocks ports 25, 80 if you subscribe to the web hosting package for an additionaly 15/month [03:30] BTW, can I make SMTP run over UDP? [03:31] There's good statistics that blocking port 25 outbound is a win for ISP spam control. [03:31] twb: No. [03:31] my point is you can unblock it for 15/ month [03:32] i guess thats worth it for spammers ? [03:33] orudie: you misunderstand. [03:33] orudie: the spammers gain control of Windows users' machines [03:33] orudie: the spammers don't actually own the connection they're using, so they can't pay more money to unblock a port [03:33] oh yeah [03:33] thats right [03:34] i know a guy who is an idiot spammer [03:34] So basically opting in to having an open port 25 means that you are taking reponsibility for not becoming a spambot. [03:34] imbeds some stupid mailers into the torrents [03:35] orudie: you should report him to the appropriate local authorities [03:35] heh [03:35] What he's doing amounts to organized crime. [03:35] i know him for very long time [03:36] That doesn't stop it being wrong. [03:36] true but i'm not gonna report him [03:37] <^law^> guys, i have ubuntu server in my laptop vmware n conected to host only( my laptop), my laptop is connected to interned via pcimca modem card, how can i share the internet connection to my ubuntu server, can help me ? [03:40] ^law^, which host OS ? [03:40] orudie: Error: "law^," is not a valid command. [03:40] ^law^ which guest OS ? [03:40] orudie: Error: "law^" is not a valid command. [03:40] god damn your nick [03:40] <^law^> host is winxp [03:41] <^law^> my laptop os win xp , n i have ubuntu-server in vmware [03:41] * ScottK suspects your odds go up with a less annoying nick. [03:41] * ScottK is headed to bed anyway. [03:42] did you use bridged networking ? [03:43] <^law^> no i use host only [03:43] ^law^: permaplonk, until you change nick [03:43] twb: Error: "law^:" is not a valid command. [03:43] ^law^ change your nick will ya ? [03:43] orudie: Error: "law^" is not a valid command. [03:43] get rid of the ^^ [03:43] <^law^> oh [03:43] <^law^> ok [03:44] <^law^> wait === ^law^ is now known as name === name is now known as Guest83465 [03:45] trying to be creative ? [03:45] :) [03:47] yo i changed oledy [03:47] my nick [03:47] achou: lol [03:48] hi mrbull [03:49] hey ^law^ [03:51] my vmware ubuntuserver connected to my laptop with host only option , n my lptop connected to internet via pcimca modem , then i wanna share the internet connection with my vmware ubuntu server, how to do tat ? [03:51] XD [03:53] achou, vmware desktop ? [03:53] hmm the 1 i installed is called vmware server [03:53] achou, which version of vmware did you install ? [03:54] 1.04 [03:54] achou, were you able to install guest OS ? ubuntu server you said right ? [03:55] ya [03:56] i oledy installed the ubuntu server in my vmare [03:57] look in the settings of your networking in vmware server [03:59] then? [03:59] i set it to connect to host only [04:00] what options you see there [04:00] one of them should say bridged [04:00] what do the other say [04:02] it has 3 : NAT, bridgeg n host only [04:02] so try NAT [04:02] then? [04:02] then restart networking in ubuntu server [04:03] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [04:03] ok [04:03] ping google.com [04:03] wait i try it now [04:07] achou, i have to go now, hope that works out for you. I would also suggest to look into http://www.virtualbox.org/ , its similar to vmware just free open source software . You shouldnt have a problem like this with it. [04:18] Good evening [04:18] I have a problem with udev and multipath-tools that I can't get a handle on in ubuntu server 8.04 [04:19] I have configured a Dell MD3000 RAID using multipath, the scsi_dh_rdac and mptsas driver [04:19] I can see the mapped devices in /dev/mapper/mpath0 .... and I see dm-0 etc in /proc/partitions, but there is no /dev/dm-0 and so devices [04:20] I can make the /dev/dm-x devices with mknod and then use kpartx to make the partitions visible in /dev/mapper [04:20] But none of this is done automatically on boot as it appears in other distributions. What am I doing wrong ? === name is now known as Guest96241 [04:22] orudie, it's work ican ping google after change it into NAT options in my vmare [04:22] Thanx orudie [04:23] but i don't really understang wat is NAT is XD === Guest96241 is now known as name [04:27] can someone here explain to me wat is it NAT ? [04:35] achou, Network Address Translation [04:36] achou, its a masking system. There are too many people and not enough IP addresses for all of them. [04:36] achou, in the past, ISP's assigned ranges of IP addresses to subscribers so *more than one* device (router, computer, etc...) could connect to the network. [04:37] achou, obviously, that is not possible anymore. so, NAT was constructed as a means to rectify this problem. [04:37] achou, basically, ISP's issue only one IP address that is assumed to be assigned to a router. [04:37] then? [04:38] achou, the router (doing what a router does) assigns a local network, usually 192.168.1.0/24 [04:38] achou, so, you have the WAN (the IP issued by the ISP) and the LAN, the local network [04:38] achou, now, you need to get a computer on the 192.168.1.0/24 network on the internet [04:39] achou, but there's a problem: 192.168.1.0 is a Private network and the ISP will *not* route those IP addresses [04:39] achou, this is the axe. [04:39] ok so the router do the NAT stuff [04:39] achou, so, the router does *translation* of traffic. [04:40] achou, when it receives internet-bound traffic from the LAN, it *translates* the information in that packet such that it *seems* that it is coming from the router's assigned ISP IP address [04:40] ic [04:40] achou, and it keeps track of all these connections. [04:41] achou, so when traffic comes back, it remembers who to send it back to in the LAN [04:41] so the network connection between the router to other pc is using NAT? [04:41] achou, not really. it's more like a 'magic' that takes place b/w the LAN and the WAN [04:41] achou, in the router [04:42] achou, the internet (webservers, ISP, etc...) *thinks* that it is receiving traffic from the WAN IP address assigned by the ISP, NOT the LAN IP address it is actually originating from [04:42] hmm i usually c tat the router is connected ti the hub 1st then the others pc connect to routher through the hub [04:43] achou, hubs and switches are Layer 2 devices and don't fit into this whole thing [04:43] achou, Layer 2 is ethernet, Layer 3 is IP addressing and routing [04:44] achou, routers do Layer 3 [04:45] achou, and NAT is primarily concerned with Layer 3 [04:45] achou, of the OSI model (wikipedia this) [04:45] ya i've read the theory [04:46] but don't know wat is the implementation in reall live [04:46] achou, of the OSI model? [04:46] ya has 7 layer [04:46]