[00:01] <MTecknology> I wonder if there's a firewall rule on the router that's making it so when I connect to it, the rest of my connections die
[00:06] <teethdood> anyone else having problems with totem/mplayer/vlc crashing when playing any kind of media files?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> teethdood: what kind?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> mine worked today
[00:13] <teethdood> BUGabundo: when clicking a media file, the thing would crash. Second attempt to play would result in X restarting
[00:14] <teethdood> the error is relating to python (?) not having enough resources (?)
[00:14] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:14] <BUGabundo> corrupt icon crash
[00:14] <BUGabundo> maybe the new
[00:15] <BUGabundo> tumbnailer is messed up on your system
[00:15] <BUGabundo> dmsup: strange nick!
[00:15] <BUGabundo> hey dude usw works flawselly again!
[00:15] <BUGabundo> I can resume from hibernate (4GiBs of ram) under 13 sec
[00:15] <BUGabundo> without it would take more then a min
[00:16] <teethdood> BUGabundo: what should I do? reinstall certain packages?
[00:17] <BUGabundo> humm clear ~/.thumb....
[00:17] <BUGabundo> cwillu: did you get that?
[00:17] <cwillu> BUGabundo, failed test :p
[00:18] <BUGabundo> really?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> here it works....
[00:19] <teethdood> BUGabundo: welp, removing ~/.thumbnails didn't help
[00:19] <Dillizar> what is the easyest way to put ubuntu in a usb stick
[00:19] <Dillizar> can i just coppy the files :)
[00:20] <Dillizar> cpy*
[00:20] <Dillizar> copy*
[00:20] <ripps> Dillizar: use the usb-creator tool
[00:21] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: usb-creator
[00:21] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: copy won't work... need syslinux to make it boot
[00:21] <Dillizar> is it in add/remove?
[00:22] <Dillizar> will the usb be a "live usb"
[00:22] <Dillizar> :)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> it should be installed on jaunty and ibex
[00:22] <BUGabundo> you have the option to create just live or permanent
[00:23] <Dillizar> but i want 9.04 :(
[00:24] <Dillizar> and i cant wait any longer
[00:24] <Dillizar> are there any BIG bugs :)
[00:32] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: its still alpha
[00:33] <BUGabundo> it can and will cause breakage
[00:33] <Dillizar> yeah you are right
[00:33] <Dillizar> but
[00:33] <BUGabundo> none the less if you read the documentation
[00:33] <BUGabundo> and help out filing bugs,
[00:33] <Dillizar> if i install alfa can i update it later to regular??
[00:33] <BUGabundo> sure, welcome on board
[00:33] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:33] <BUGabundo> it keeps getting updated
[00:33] <BUGabundo> all the time
[00:33] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[00:33] <Dillizar> so from alfa will become beta
[00:33] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[00:34] <BUGabundo> please read this ^^^^^^^^
[00:34] <Dillizar> but i want xubuntu :)
[00:34] <BUGabundo> to upgrade, please make backups of your data
[00:34] <BUGabundo> its the same
[00:34] <BUGabundo> it should upgrade to the same flaouver
[00:34] <BUGabundo> them make sure you remove or comment any non oficial repo
[00:34] <BUGabundo> and all PPAs
[00:34] <Dillizar> ppa?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> then start update-manager -d
[00:35] <Dillizar> why -d?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: don't worry, if you don't know you prob don't have one
[00:35] <bruce89> check for unstable ones
[00:35] <BUGabundo> -d jumpts to devel branch
[00:35] <Dillizar> cool
[00:35] <Dillizar> i will download it tonight
[00:35] <BUGabundo> -c jumps to lastest stable... currenly ibex
[00:36] <Dillizar> BUGabundo just tell me this
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: PLEASE make backups.! and test them too
[00:36] <Dillizar> as i read
[00:36] <BUGabundo> don't want you to loose data
[00:36] <BUGabundo> and read those links I provided
[00:36] <Dillizar> 9.04 will be the FASTEST os
[00:36] <BUGabundo> they will help you out a lot
[00:36] <Dillizar> for booting that is
[00:36] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:36] <BUGabundo> many users notice it!
[00:36] <BUGabundo> even on older PCs
[00:36] <Dillizar> damn
[00:36] <Dillizar> yeah
[00:37] <BUGabundo> a friend of mine is running xubuntu on a 4/5 years old acer
[00:37] <Dillizar> thats what one guy said that 9.04 xubuntu runs fatser
[00:37] <BUGabundo> and says jaunty is faster then ibex was
[00:37] <Dillizar> lol
[00:37]  * Dillizar have 10-11 years old laptop
[00:38] <Dillizar> damn you BUGabundo i cant wait till tommorow to install it
[00:38] <Dillizar> :)
[00:38] <BUGabundo> Dillizar: ah????????
[00:38] <Dillizar> i will stay all night long and am already 48h awake and have exam tomorrow
[00:38] <BUGabundo> 10 yo?
[00:38] <BUGabundo> how much ram?
[00:38] <Dillizar> 256
[00:38] <Dillizar> :)
[00:38] <Dillizar> dude
[00:38] <BUGabundo> its going to be low....
[00:39] <Dillizar> it was like 3000$ at that time
[00:39] <Dillizar> :D
[00:39] <BUGabundo> performance is going to suffer
[00:39] <Dillizar> 366mhz
[00:39] <BUGabundo> go to sleep!
[00:39] <Dillizar> :D
[00:39] <BUGabundo> its better to be fresh
[00:39] <Dillizar> i have an exam tomorrow
[00:39] <BUGabundo> and relax AFTER exam
[00:39] <Dillizar> lol
[00:39] <Dillizar> i am
[00:39] <BUGabundo> to test out all the new stuff on Ubuntu
[00:39] <Dillizar> tekken and weed :D
[00:39] <Dillizar> yeah
[00:39] <Dillizar> what is that internet desktop
[00:39] <Dillizar> i didnt understand
[00:40] <BUGabundo> me neither!
[00:40] <BUGabundo> what are you talking about?
[00:40] <Dillizar> brings the internet closer to the desktop
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:40] <BUGabundo> just PUB
[00:40] <BUGabundo> never come through
[00:40] <Dillizar> whats that
[00:41] <hix> .oO( sometimes watching #ubuntu+1 is better than any tv-show *g)
[00:41] <Dillizar> lol
[00:41]  * Halow agrees.
[00:42] <Dillizar> how come
[00:42] <BUGabundo> hix: why?
[00:42] <hix> its entertaining. ;)
[00:43]  * BUGabundo goes back to read his unlimit RSS feeds. wonk if you guys want my shared feed
[00:44]  * Dillizar will go home to get ready for his exam called "First aid"
[00:45] <hix> sounds useful. good luck then.
[00:46] <Dillizar> yeah its for the stupid driving license
[00:46] <hix> ah, kissing puppies
[00:46] <Dillizar> lol
[00:46] <Dillizar> a guy did that today
[00:46] <Dillizar> HOW STUPID YOU NEED TO BE
[00:46] <Dillizar> you just need to show it not french kiss it
[00:47] <hix>  did that 25 yrs ago.. sigh, getting old
[00:47] <Dillizar> i wasnt born then :P
[00:47] <hix>  ;)
[00:48] <BUGabundo> 28 yo here and countng
[00:48] <Dillizar> 23 on 20th of april :P
[00:48] <hix> passed the 40 while ago ;)
[00:48] <Dillizar> 3 days before the first connact with 9.04
[00:48] <Dillizar> :P
[00:49] <charlie-tca> guess I won't say
[00:49]  * charlie-tca mumbles something about really young people around here...
[00:50] <Dillizar> lol
[00:51] <Dillizar> damn ubuntu made a new turn in OS
[00:51] <Dillizar> linux was dunno nothing before ubuntu
[00:51] <Dillizar> :)
[00:51] <Dillizar> before that i was using KDE mandriva with errors all the time
[00:52] <hix> can't agree fully here. but ubuntu made it better, no question.
[00:52] <charlie-tca> long as they keep us informed, it works pretty good
[00:53] <Dillizar> cheers and beers dudes and dudese if there are :P
[00:53]  * BUGabundo nods to charlie-tca irony
[00:53] <hix> prepare kissing puppies and learn something useful ;)
[00:54] <Dillizar> :)
[00:54] <Dillizar> thanks
[00:54] <BUGabundo> just so that I get it right (and remember I'm sleepy), charlie-tca that back-up email was yours right?
[00:54] <charlie-tca> yes it was
[00:54] <charlie-tca> and yes, you know what I mean
[00:55] <BUGabundo> never got to thank you.... enough
[00:55] <BUGabundo> felt good
[00:55] <charlie-tca> He just pissed me off with his comments
[00:55] <BUGabundo> and that smuck smile
[00:55] <charlie-tca> no need to thank me. I meant what I said
[00:56] <charlie-tca> I have been around long enough to know that not everybody will speak up, and there is not any reason to add a "me too"
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Obviously, he wasn't around long enough yet
[00:57] <BUGabundo> you should have read a private email, me , martin and Marc had!
[00:57] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:58] <charlie-tca> I did notice he never pulled that one out again
[00:58] <BUGabundo> 78 unread -devel emails!!! don't this ppl sleep?
[00:58] <crashsystems> Anyone know when bug #308191 might be fixed?
[00:58] <charlie-tca> never
[00:58] <BUGabundo> hey crashsystems thanks for coming up
[00:58] <crashsystems> np
[00:58] <BUGabundo> only saw danaG complain
[00:59] <BUGabundo> about HW lacking support
[00:59] <crashsystems> this looks like the one that is giving me problems
[00:59] <BUGabundo> everyone else say FOO
[01:00] <crashsystems> I mainly want this feature to work so  I can impress my windows using friends :D
[01:01] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I show it off too
[01:01] <BUGabundo> and compiz
[01:01] <BUGabundo> and gnome DO
[01:01] <crashsystems> it would be really cool to somehow bind the pinch movement to the compiz zoom plugin
[01:02] <charlie-tca> crashsystems: don't let the bug go more than about two weeks without a comment. Like "still broken in Jaunty daily dated ??????"
[01:02] <charlie-tca> It helps get some attention on it
[01:02] <crashsystems> ok, will comment
[01:03] <BUGabundo> yeah finch would be nice
[01:03]  * charlie-tca should keep quiet
[01:04] <crashsystems> is there any sort of tests I could run on my laptop that would provide useful data for this?
[01:04] <BUGabundo> its over my head
[01:05] <BUGabundo> can't help u ther
[01:05] <crashsystems> who would know the answer to that question?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> any more then to go to #ubuntu-x and ask tehre
[01:05] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any. I didn't see the decline on it. That means it probably will get fixed after jaunty comes out.
[01:05] <charlie-tca> But the squeaky wheel thing works, anyway
[01:06] <BUGabundo> squeaky what?
[01:09] <charlie-tca> crashsystems: here, supply what this asks for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[01:09] <BUGabundo> never though I would say this... but I miss Notifications ...
[01:09] <BUGabundo> ...support in Kmail! hate the current popup
[01:09] <crashsystems> I love notify-ods.
[01:10] <bruce89> not again
[01:10] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: squeaky wheel gets the grease - Those that make the noise will get results, generally
[01:10] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:10]  * BUGabundo goes back to feed reading
[01:10] <BUGabundo> only 321 on fab2
[01:11] <charlie-tca> well, time to go eat, too
[01:16] <crashsystems> Based upon the instructions at the link charlie-tca gave me, I've generated 4 files I want to attach to the bug report. Can I only attach one per comment?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:20] <BUGabundo> LP limitation
[01:21] <crashsystems> so the people subscribed to the bug will get to suffer from multiple email notifications :D
[01:21] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:21] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:21] <BUGabundo> I get many tens of lp bug mail per day
[01:21] <BUGabundo> not counting NM* packages
[01:22] <BUGabundo> currencly have 800+ unread
[01:22] <BUGabundo> yay
[01:22] <crashsystems> lol
[01:22] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: you can email them, and have it only in on email
[01:28] <crashsystems> files attached
[01:46] <hggdh> well, if you attache then quick enough, one single email should be generated with all of them
[01:47] <crashsystems> looks like I'm just not that fast
[01:47] <hggdh> heh
[02:21] <sagredo> hi alpha friends. I would like to update to the 2.6.29 kernel, where do you recommend I start
[02:24] <DanaG> http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2009/02/jaunty-kernel-bits.html
[02:25] <negonicrac_> has anyone got nvidia drivers to work through hardware drivers?
[02:45] <Belboz99> Hey all, so, Alpha 6 is out, I'm running it on my laptop and it's doing "OK", I'm debating whether or not to upgrade my desktop to it or not
[02:46] <crashsystems> Belboz99 the official answer would be "if you like bug hunting, go for it!"
[02:47] <Belboz99> lol crashsystems, I've done my fair share of that on the laptop already, been using 9.04 since Alpha 4 ;)
[02:47] <Belboz99> Actually, I installed Alpha 1 in a VM when it first shipped, that was fun! :)
[02:47] <crashsystems> if it works well on a live cd/dvd on that desktop, and you've backed up the data, I'd say go for it
[02:48] <Belboz99> cool
[02:48] <Belboz99> I have almost all my data on other partitions, and on the server
[02:48] <Belboz99> the server's always the last one to jump versions ;)
[02:49] <Belboz99> it runs Mythbuntu while hosting 4 websites and acting as a router / firewall for the wired and wireless LAN :-D
[02:49] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256820
[02:49] <nemo> so I was reading this
[02:49] <nemo> because intel driver was crashing for me with various video players using xv
[02:49] <nemo> several people in that bug mentioned disabling randr
[02:50] <nemo> does anyone here know how one *does* that?
[02:51] <Belboz99> crashsystems: I do have a question about future Radeon Support though for the Xpress 200 series
[02:51] <crashsystems> i don't know much about ATI cards, as I have an Intel
[02:51] <Belboz99> basically, the binary ATI driver no longer works, and the Open Source drivers lack 3D accell
[02:52] <Belboz99> The binary is broken on the ATI end (of course)
[02:52] <dercomputer> hello everyone, i have a total noob question
[02:52] <Belboz99> ATI says it will never include support for the latest Xorg for that model of GPU
[02:52] <Belboz99> am I completely FUBAR with Radeon Xpress 200 and 3D accell?
[02:53] <Belboz99> shoot der
[02:53] <nemo> Section "ServerFlags"
[02:53] <nemo> Option "RandR" "false"
[02:53] <nemo> EndSection
[02:53] <nemo> guess I'll give that a shot...
[02:55] <dercomputer> When jaunty is officially released, if i am upgrading from a previous version of Ubuntu (e.g. 8.10), will it format my drive in order to convert to ext4?
[02:55] <crashsystems> dercomputer your partition should stay the same
[02:55] <crdlb> dercomputer: ext3 is still the default
[02:55] <crashsystems> it is possible to upgrade ext3 to ext4 after the upgrade
[02:55] <charlie-tca> dercomputer: it is your choice whether or no to upgrade to ext4
[02:56] <dercomputer> oh OK, i was under the impression that 9.04 was ext4 by default
[02:56] <dercomputer> thanks for your help everyone
[02:56] <crdlb> no, 9.10 at the earliest for that
[02:59] <nemo> well
[02:59] <nemo> that wasn't it
[02:59] <nemo> *sigh*
[03:00] <nemo> anyone else using intel driver getting mplayer/vlc crashes?
[03:00] <crashsystems> nemo, I had been getting mplayer crashes, but that stopped after some recent codecs updates
[03:01] <RAOF> Belboz99: Do the open source drivers _really_ lack 3d accel for the Xpress 200?  One of the reasons fglrx dropped support for the old chips was that they _did_ have 3d support.
[03:02] <nemo> crashsystems: ah. mine are still happening
[03:03] <nemo> although. -vo x11 does seem to work
[03:03] <RAOF> Belboz99: There are a number of ways that you can inadvertantly break the open-source 3d support, though.  Such as (a) having an fglrx package installed, or (b) having installed fglrx from the website at any point in the past.
[03:03] <nemo> (as opposed to -vo xv)
[03:03] <crashsystems> have you looked for bugs in launchpad?
[03:03] <nemo> and my wimpy machine is still fast enough to do ok with -zoom 1
[03:03] <nemo> crashsystems: the one above that I linked, that someone closed out
[03:03] <nemo> launchpad is very aggressive at closing out bugs, even if there were no fixed :-/
[03:05] <RAOF> Feel free to reopen them if they are not actually fixed (assuming that they weren't closed for some other reason, like "we asked for some information, and never got an answer")
[03:07] <nemo> RAOF: heh. "we got half a dozen confirmations, but initial reporter didn't answer us so we'll close it out :D )
[03:07] <nemo> "
[03:07] <nemo> meh. anyway :)
[03:07] <nemo> x11 is a decent workaround for me - I'll assume current intel driver is sucky and hope for future improvement
[03:07] <RAOF> Sometimes bugs are closed too aggressively.  Want to post the bug number?
[03:08] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256820
[03:08] <nemo> my symptoms don't *exactly* match this one, so I hestitate to say this one was too aggressive
[03:08] <nemo> I've noticed this in past though ;)
[03:08] <nemo> for me, it doesn't lock up. it just crashes
[03:08] <nemo> and I get an actual trace in Xorg.0.log
[03:09] <nemo> [   90.855281] (EE) intel(0): Failed to pin xv buffer
[03:09] <crashsystems> nemo did you run a backtrace? I hear that can be rather useful.
[03:09] <nemo> 6: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so(XvdiPutImage+0x190) [0xb78d389
[03:09] <nemo> 0]
[03:10] <nemo> crashsystems: I have heard that :-p
[03:10] <nemo> but then. there's an actual backtrace in the Xorg log
[03:10] <nemo> including, oh, function names :)
[03:10] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[03:10] <crashsystems> function names could be useful...
[03:11] <nemo> oogling now for "pin xv buffer" and XvdiPutImage and crash
[03:11] <nemo> googling
[03:11] <RAOF> nemo: That seems properly closed, yeah :)
[03:12] <nemo> darn. nothing
[03:12] <nemo> RAOF: yeah, yeah :-p
[03:12] <nemo> if I find one in future that annoys me, I'll be sure to link you :D
[03:14] <nemo> hm
[03:15] <nemo> XvdiPutimage crash in mplayer
[03:15] <nemo> I get a hit here:
[03:15] <nemo> http://www.archivum.info/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/2008-07/msg04805.html
[03:15] <nemo> but. is in *hardy*
[03:15] <nemo> seems a tad unlikely it'd be same bug in a much later intel driver and Xorg
[03:16] <nemo> 'course, that one says "memcpy" - to get that I'll have to add a debug lib
[03:25] <teethdood> playing media files are failing for me. Please take a look http://pastebin.com/d20efe2dc
[03:34] <RAOF> teethdood: That's a video driver issue.  What driver?
[03:34] <RAOF> teethdood: (incidentally, that means that pastebinning /var/log/Xorg.0.log is going to be necessary)
[03:35] <ribo> anyone here using jaunty xubuntu alpha6 alternet amd64 iso?
[03:36] <ribo> *alternate
[03:42] <teethdood> RAOF: here's my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/d4b3380bb
[03:45] <crdlb> hmm, I guess textured video requires acceleration, which is broken due to (EE) intel(0): Cannot support DRI with frame buffer width > 2048.
[03:45] <crdlb> but it ought to fall back to overlay video
[03:46] <DanaG> heh, stupid plymouth.  Refuses to ever, ever, ever load anything but details.so.
[03:46] <DanaG> Ever.
[03:46]  * DanaG hopes Plymouth won't be that broken in Jaunty+1
[03:46] <DanaG> i.e. Karmic
[03:46] <crashsystems> I refuse to call it anything other than 9.10
[03:46] <Halow> Don't like koalas? ;)
[03:47]  * DanaG seems to have bad video karma.
[03:47] <DanaG> nouveau hammers both cpu and hard drive... and fglrx... panics.
[03:47] <crashsystems> don't like offensive cuteness.
[03:48] <SeveredCross> Plymouth works nicely here. :>
[03:48] <DanaG> Now THIS, is cuteness: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Konachan.com%20-%2017601.jpg
[03:48] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/ccs_1221630875446.jpg
[03:48] <DanaG> Sorry, I just had to tease for that calling it "offensive cuteness" =þ
[03:48] <crdlb> teethdood: are you actually using a very wide resolution (with two monitors)?
[03:49] <teethdood> crdlb: no. dell laptop, 1280x800
[03:49] <DanaG> Stupid plymouth.
[03:49] <crdlb> teethdood: then fix your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:49] <DanaG> Even if I show-splash, it still... loads details.so.
[03:50] <crdlb> you've got a Virtual line, which is telling X that you need a very high resolution
[03:50] <crashsystems> I take it the PPA for Plymouth is not quite ready for regular usage?
[03:51] <DanaG> Not for me, for sure.
[03:51] <DanaG> It just plain does nothing for me.  =þ
[03:51] <teethdood> crdlb: Virtual	2640 800 wow good man
[03:53] <teethdood> ok restarting X, brb
[03:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[03:55] <DanaG> NOT FIXED.
[03:55] <DanaG> What should I mark it?
[03:55] <DanaG> It's not fixed.  =þ
[03:55] <DanaG> So, I want to mark it.. not fixed.. but I'm not sure what status to choose.
[03:55] <RAOF> New, probably.
[03:55] <teethdood> crdlb: working  now. Thanks
[04:00] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp-slideshow.zip
[04:00] <DanaG> Bright == noon; dark == night; middle = morn and evening.
[04:00] <DanaG> I put the hp-slideshow dir in /usr/share/backgrounds
[04:04] <crdlb> .zip? :(
[04:05] <DanaG> I can .tar.gz it.
[04:05] <DanaG> Though note that currently I've only customized the widescreen one.
[04:05] <DanaG> I'd need to dig up the other resolution images from my system, and I'm not sure where I have those.
[04:18] <mitesh> my rhythmbox stops playing music and plays some crackling noise, log says
[04:18] <mitesh> pulseaudio[8800]: main.c: Called SUID root and real-time and/or high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. However, we lack the necessary privileges:
[04:20] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp-slideshow.lzma
[04:20] <DanaG> there.
[04:25] <sandeep> 404
[04:29] <DanaG> ugh, damned REDUCED quota on the server at school.
[04:30] <DanaG> They ran out of space... so they LOWERED everyone's quotas.  Significantly.
[04:30] <jscinoz> hey
[04:30] <jscinoz> A recent upgrade broke sudo
[04:30] <jscinoz> On typing sudo and a command, it asks for the password, and upon typing the correct password it just exits, the command isnt run
[04:30] <jscinoz> any ideas whats wrong?
[04:32] <jscinoz> DanaG: how to make space: root server, rm -rf /
[04:33] <sandeep> ..
[04:33] <jscinoz> was a joke :P
[04:33] <sandeep> kk :P
[04:33] <jscinoz> maybe i'll include <sarcasm> tags next time
[04:34] <jscinoz> anyways, anyone else's sudo broken on jaunty after a recent upgrade
[04:39] <jscinoz> anyone alive?
[04:46] <DanaG> ugh, goddamned OpenOffice just DESTROYED a table in one of my documents.
[04:46] <DanaG> As in... the table was there... and now it's GONE.
[04:46] <DanaG> It just dumped the raw text into the document, and thus royally ****ed everything up.
[04:48] <dtchen> mitesh: http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/03/call-for-testers-jaunty-64-bit.html
[04:48] <DanaG> Great... now I have to completely reformat my damned resumé from scratch!
[04:49] <DanaG> Thanks a pantsload, OpenOffice.
[04:49] <DanaG> Document is RUINED.
[04:49] <crdlb> I think you've made your point
[04:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I'm rather pissed off at it.
[04:50] <crdlb> btw, use latex
[04:50] <DanaG> It's a data-loss sort of bug!
[04:51] <crdlb> simple text files are harder to screw up (unless you use ext4)
[04:51]  * crdlb runs
[04:51] <DanaG> No reason to run.
[04:51] <DanaG> The only thing I'm about to smash... is OpenOffice.
[04:52] <DanaG> oh eyah;
[04:52] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp-slideshow.lzma
[04:53] <jscinoz> ooh
[04:53] <jscinoz> jaunty uses kexec for rebooting?
[04:54] <DanaG> It does if you have linux-crashdump (or rather, kexec-tools) installed.
[04:54] <DanaG> Makes it annoying to get to grub, though.
[04:54] <DanaG> I disabled that kexec feature.
[04:54] <jscinoz> i like it
[04:54] <jscinoz> all we need now
[04:55] <jscinoz> is for it to use ksplice for kernel updates :P
[05:03] <jscinoz> gah this is annoying
[05:04] <Delvien> Is ubuntu forums down for you all as well?
[05:04] <jscinoz> to work around broken sudo i have alias sudo='ssh -t root@localhost'
[05:04] <jscinoz> which works, but it'd be great if sudo worked :(
[05:04] <Halow> It is.
[05:04] <Delvien> Thanks
[05:04] <Halow> Some Database Error, right?
[05:04] <Delvien> Yep
[05:04] <Delvien> Vbulletin. booo!
[05:05] <SeveredCross> Sudo works for me...
[05:05] <SeveredCross> -_-'
[05:06] <jscinoz> any ideas how i can debug why it doesnt work
[05:06] <Delvien> whats the error
[05:06] <jscinoz> no error, it just doenst run the command after entering the corrcet password
[05:07] <Delvien> can you go into 'sudo -i' ?
[05:07] <jscinoz> Delvien: no
[05:12] <jscinoz> any ideas?
[05:20] <DanaG> £€€T
[05:20] <DanaG> so much better than 1337.
[05:24] <hix> ;)
[05:30]  * DanaG likes having his wallpaper change color throughout the day.
[05:45] <sparr> Is there any hope of the nvidia-nic-backwards-MAC-address bug being fixed in the kernel that ships with 9.04?
[05:45] <DanaG> random: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/268506
[05:59]  * jscinoz doesn't like not having sudo
[07:37] <TuTUXG> ubuntuforums.org is down?
[07:39] <LordKow> yes
[07:40] <o0Chris0o> yeah I noticed that
[07:40] <o0Chris0o> unexpected?
[07:41] <TuTUXG> sort of
[07:42] <o0Chris0o> ehhh, I see, I thought I broke-ed it
[07:43] <LordKow> i hope someone doesnt get an email everytime someone tries loading the page and receives the database error. that will be a lot of new email msgs.
[07:43] <LordKow> new filter ---> trash. :)
[07:46] <meoblast001> hi
[07:47] <LordKow> hello
[07:47] <meoblast001> i gotz 9.04
[07:47] <LordKow> cool
[07:47] <meoblast001> i'm not liking it yet :(
[07:48] <LordKow> what be the problem(s)?
[07:48] <meoblast001> Gnome
[07:48] <meoblast001> Gnome won't work
[07:48] <meoblast001> i did a recovery mode and it said gnome-panel cannot be installed
[07:48] <meoblast001> conflict with another package not being updated enough
[07:49] <meoblast001> i'm installing lxde right now
[07:49] <LordKow> yep thats not good. what happens when you try sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ?
[07:49] <meoblast001> one second... have to wait for apt-get to get done with lxde
[07:50] <meoblast001> LordKow: ok it's going
[07:55] <LordKow> Linux CSC-KDRAKE-001 2.6.28-11-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 20 19:51:24 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux that time can't be right hmm
[07:56] <LordKow> its off by 12 hours yet... gnome says 2:56am
[07:56] <LordKow> oh that was compile date ;)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> LordKow: it's likely that your'e not in UTC?
[07:56] <LordKow> Hobbsee, it's also likely that im retarded
[07:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:57] <meoblast001> LordKow: i've been making a game on here and i wanted to get some work done on it this weekend so it was a disappointment to come home from track practice and jaunty not boot
[07:57] <LordKow> well, it is alpha.
[07:57] <meoblast001> i only got jaunty because jacob told me that my bluetooth headset might work better
[07:58] <rww> meoblast001: That's odd. Bluetooth tends to work worse, not better, in Jaunty. That's what the people complaining in here say, anyway.
[07:58] <meoblast001> oh.... my headset works like crap in intrepid
[07:58] <meoblast001> i've tried everything
[07:58] <LordKow> the main problem with bluetooth is the protocol itself, imo.
[07:58] <meoblast001> i've finally got it to stay connected but report errors to all programs that wanted to use it
[07:58] <meoblast001> LordKow: companies making bluetooth stuff should release free drivers
[07:59] <LordKow> yes they should.
[07:59] <meoblast001> LordKow: if every device is going to be different, free drivers for every device should be released
[08:00] <LordKow> the fact is companies use their drivers to make their product seem better. you're in essence paying for the drivers when you pay for the hardware.
[08:00] <meoblast001> LordKow: i filed a bug of my problem with my headset, but i tried so many different things to try and get it to work that i couldn't list what i tried doing and the bug report was listed as incomplete :(
[08:01] <meoblast001> LordKow: example: nVidia
[08:01] <LordKow> oh i know.
[08:01] <meoblast001> i use their drivers on my desktop :(
[08:01] <LordKow> im thinking about making a million copies of KMS in font size 72 and dumping it off at their HQ
[08:01] <meoblast001> LordKow: KMS?
[08:01] <LordKow> kernel-mode settings
[08:01] <LordKow> i think...
[08:02] <meoblast001> LordKow: you'd print off the source code?
[08:02] <lubosz> hi
[08:02] <meoblast001> hi
[08:02] <lubosz> yay i'm logged
[08:02] <LordKow> you just got logged
[08:02] <meoblast001> lubosz: did you not get internet connection to work on Jaunty too?
[08:02] <LordKow> meoblast001, so how did the aptitude update go?
[08:02] <meoblast001> 73%
[08:02] <lubosz> i'm on intrepid ^^
[08:03] <lubosz> just wanted to download alpha 6 and do a persistent usb pen drive install
[08:03] <meoblast001> i want to go to the release party :(
[08:03] <meoblast001> it's too far away
[08:03] <lubosz> where is it?
[08:03] <meoblast001> the one in Ohio is in Collumbus
[08:03] <meoblast001> that's half a state away considering i live near the edge of the state
[08:03] <lubosz> meoblast001: i think my next release party is in berlin
[08:03] <lubosz> or i start my own ^^
[08:04] <meoblast001> people don't like me so i can't start any kinds of parties
[08:04] <meoblast001> i'll have my very own release party
[08:04] <lubosz> last time, i tried alpha 5, 64bit WINE was segfaulting ^^
[08:04] <lubosz> wtf
[08:04] <lubosz> :D
[08:04] <lubosz> so i hope its more stable
[08:04] <meoblast001> i don't like 64-bit
[08:04] <lubosz> meoblast001: maybe thats why people dont like you so much?
[08:04] <lubosz> ^^
[08:05] <lubosz> meoblast001: just joking
[08:05] <lubosz> why dont you like 64 bit?
[08:05] <LordKow> the biggest problem i've had with jaunty so far has absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8051/badpidgin.png
[08:05] <meoblast001> i think you should be able to install any 32-bit package without forcing install and it put it in an isolated location
[08:05] <lubosz> does your cpu dont have the nice to have AMD64 extension?
[08:06] <LordKow> meoblast001, a chroot environment would handle that nicely
[08:06] <meoblast001> and then when you run 32-bit software it should use emulation to make sure it always gets those ones
[08:06] <lubosz> LordKow: try a newer pidgin version
[08:06] <meoblast001> and not the 64-bit ones
[08:06] <LordKow> lubosz, im using the one in jaunty which is why i submitted a bug report in launchpad. it's fixed upstream for 2.6.0 but that wont be in jaunty.
[08:06] <lubosz> meoblast001: you should run 64bit sw, wtf
[08:06] <meoblast001> sw?
[08:06] <lubosz> meoblast001: what do you want to run in 32 bit?
[08:06] <lubosz> software
[08:06] <lubosz> sorry im lazy
[08:06] <meoblast001> uhhh
[08:07] <meoblast001> cant remember
[08:07] <lubosz> virtual mahines ? ^^
[08:07] <lubosz> wine?^^
[08:07] <meoblast001> there was an emulator that wouldn't compile because i had 64-bit
[08:07] <lubosz> i think win64 is not supported in wine
[08:07] <meoblast001> my 64-bit system is broken right now
[08:07] <lubosz> meoblast001: EMULATORS don't compile EVER
[08:07] <lubosz> fuck xD
[08:07] <meoblast001> has no RAM
[08:07] <lubosz> oh
[08:07] <lubosz> i dont am supposed to say fuck in here
[08:07] <lubosz> sorry
[08:07] <rww> !ohmy > lubosz
[08:07] <LordKow> nope
[08:08] <rww> lubosz: besides, I think he was talking about compiling the emulator, not the emulator compiling something.
[08:08] <lubosz> i once tried a ps2 emulator
[08:08] <meoblast001> LordKow: my HAL restarted
[08:08] <LordKow> meoblast001, normal for hal updates.
[08:08] <lubosz> the problem is emulators do have a lot of assembly code
[08:08] <meoblast001> LordKow: that reminds me of the story of how i deleted Windows
[08:08] <lubosz> and this is very hard to port
[08:08] <LordKow> you'll still want to reboot though, meoblast001.
[08:08] <lubosz> and since gcc is quite different in 64 bit
[08:08] <meoblast001> LordKow: i had Wubi back when it was beta.... and i shut down Ubuntu once and it wouldnt shut down
[08:08] <lubosz> its a pain in the behind
[08:08] <lubosz> yeah, I'm polite
[08:08] <meoblast001> i started it back up and tried going into Windows and it couldnt find HAL.dll
[08:08] <meoblast001> said it was corrupt
[08:08] <meoblast001> so i deleted Windows
[08:08] <rww> My WinXP partition went temporarily insane today. I was scared I'd broken it again while partitioning Ubuntu.
[08:09] <meoblast001> i gave up on Windows
[08:09] <LordKow> i deleted Windows due to corruption. Microsoft got all corrupted.
[08:09] <rww> Thankfully, it sorted itself out; I wasn't looking forward to reinstalling again.
[08:09] <lubosz> rww: what do you mean with "PARTITION" went insane :D
[08:09] <rww> Only reason I have the damn thing is so my girlfriend can play Sims 2. Things I do for love...
[08:09] <meoblast001> LordKow: at the time i had 2 programs i liked running in Windows and eventually i got them to work in Wine
[08:09] <meoblast001> i don't like Ubuntu package names
[08:10] <LordKow> yea wine works damn well these days. in fact, i saw a how-to somewhere on getting office 2007 to finally work
[08:10] <rww> lubosz: I mean the Windows installation on my Windows partition. It's 1am; I'm not particularly erudite right now :P
[08:10] <meoblast001> why not just use the same names as the Debian packages
[08:10] <lubosz> rww:  kk ^^
[08:10] <rww> meoblast001: example?
[08:10] <LordKow> i love openoffice but ms office is so engrained into society that sometimes i need to use it for those pesky powerpoints that wont show exactly right in openoffice
[08:10] <lubosz> meoblast001: there are not too many things that earn your grace
[08:11] <meoblast001> rww: i don't know off the top of my head.... but haven't you ever tried to install a Debian package and it says "haha you don't have Debian.... gtfo"
[08:11] <lubosz> meoblast001: they most common nead some debian dependency package name, fun
[08:11] <meoblast001> couldn't they have changed the packages without changing the names
[08:11] <rww> meoblast001: not that I can think of. Ubuntu has the vast majority of Debian's repository anyway (that's what universe and multiverse are), so it's probably an edge case, or some Debian-specific thing.
[08:12] <lubosz> "Dependency libass-dev cannot be resolved" :/
[08:12] <LordKow> 99.5% of ubuntu packages are taken from debian.
[08:12] <meoblast001> LordKow: and then renamed
[08:12] <LordKow> thats not an exact number
[08:12] <lubosz> LordKow: but funnily there are name differences
[08:12] <LordKow> renamed? like what?
[08:12] <lubosz> ubuntu-desktop xD
[08:12] <lubosz> does not sound in debian like that
[08:12] <meoblast001> don't they add the ~ubuntu or whatever
[08:12] <LordKow> thats not a debian package. ubuntu created it for ubuntu. it's not even a real package
[08:12] <rww> lubosz: there's no equivalent debian package
[08:12] <meoblast001> usplash is a fun package
[08:13] <lubosz> it was a joke i look for one
[08:13] <LordKow> it's an empty package with the most dependencies you'll ever see.
[08:13] <lubosz> usplash is in debian?
[08:13] <meoblast001> yeah
[08:13] <lubosz> usplash was so buggy in interpid
[08:13] <rww> meoblast001: you're probably thinking of the version numbers. -XubuntuY is added for a reason, btw :P
[08:13] <meoblast001> rww: yeah the version
[08:13] <meoblast001> i know that there is a reason
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[08:13] <meoblast001> i can't remember the reason atm
[08:13] <meoblast001> it has to do with modification of packages
[08:14] <meoblast001> i made a deb that broke my APT
[08:14] <LordKow> packagename_(maintainer_vers)-(debianversion)ubuntu(ubuntuvers)
[08:14] <meoblast001> but i also made a deb that works very well
[08:14] <lubosz> meoblast001: cool, how come?
[08:14] <meoblast001> i made 3 debs that work pretty well
[08:14] <lubosz> i made a lot of debs with some tool that did make install into debs
[08:14] <meoblast001> lubosz: the one that broke it.... idk what it did... but APT kept saying "must reinstall smc" or something like that
[08:14] <LordKow> checkinstall
[08:14] <lubosz> yeah, its pretty nice
[08:14] <LordKow> i dont like it though. no deps
[08:15] <LordKow> it's just asking for a broken system.
[08:15] <meoblast001> i made an Audacity deb.... a Pidgin-Rhythmbox deb.... and a deb of my very own program mOX
[08:15] <lubosz> LordKow: you just use make install? ^^
[08:15] <lubosz> i use A LOT of dev repo code
[08:15] <LordKow> no. i find the nearest ubuntu or debian package and modify it.
[08:15] <lubosz> software
[08:15] <lubosz> like wine from git ^^
[08:15] <lubosz> ubuntu is just way to slow for me
[08:15] <meoblast001> time to logout..... brb
[08:15] <lubosz> too bad there is no ubuntu rollign realese
[08:16] <LordKow> im going to see if i can figure out a new mplayer package since mplayer devs decided releases just don't work anymore
[08:16] <lubosz> ^^ sound fun
[08:17] <LordKow> i guess i can check to see if debian is maintaining any snapshots
[08:17] <lubosz> they try concentrating on the wii know
[08:17] <lubosz> i dont like the mplayer interface anyway
[08:17] <lubosz> the terminal one is not bad
[08:17] <lubosz> but the gui
[08:17] <lubosz> i stick with totem in that case
[08:17] <LordKow> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/mplayer bingo
[08:17] <meoblast001> mmmmm
[08:17] <meoblast001> yummy
[08:18] <meoblast001> LXDE
[08:18] <LordKow> in fact, this might just build against the ubuntu tree just fine.
[08:18] <lubosz> LordKow: whats the difference to the svn source?
[08:18] <meoblast001> restart required?!
[08:18] <meoblast001> that's some boo boo
[08:19] <LordKow> lubosz, debians package is an svn snapshot from march 3rd.
[08:19] <meoblast001> how do i start bluetooth?
[08:19] <lubosz> LordKow: damn, svn 3rd was a long time ago :D get it from svn
[08:19] <LordKow> meoblast001, sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
[08:19] <lubosz> do they modify the makefiles to work on debian?
[08:19] <lubosz> or is it 1:1 the svn
[08:19] <meoblast001> bluetooth started
[08:20] <LordKow> if they have to modify the makefile they will.
[08:20] <meoblast001> i like LXDE for my laptop
[08:20] <meoblast001> much faster
[08:20] <meoblast001> and it's still Gnome-like
[08:21] <lubosz> lets see...
[08:21] <LordKow> meh i should diff the debian directory against ubuntu's. debian will not have any restricted codecs and im guessing most people wanting to use mplayer are going to want a full load of codecs whether there are legal restrictions or not
[08:22] <LordKow> yea euw they disable x264 support. useless!
[08:22] <lubosz> LXDE does not look bad
[08:22] <LordKow> i might as well svn the latest codecs while im at it. my ppa is going to be getting rather large.
[08:22] <meoblast001> FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found.
[08:22] <meoblast001> ah
[08:22]  * meoblast001 runs around making strange noises
[08:22] <lubosz> how does it fit with compiz meoblast001
[08:23] <meoblast001> ?
[08:24] <meoblast001> does anyone think it will ever be possible to make themes transparent in Compiz based on their controls
[08:24] <meoblast001> such as.... a theme make it so all scroll bars are transparent
[08:24] <meoblast001> or all textboxes
[08:25] <meoblast001> or everything except textboxes
[08:25] <lubosz> meoblast001: you mean compiz to support gtk themes?
[08:25] <meoblast001> yeah
[08:25] <meoblast001> something like that
[08:25] <lubosz> i thing gnome themes is just chaos
[08:25] <lubosz> they should have a more unified theme system
[08:25] <lubosz> 1 package for a whole theme :D
[08:26] <lubosz> with gdm, icon theme, gtk theme
[08:26] <meoblast001> eh
[08:26] <meoblast001> icon and gtk should be the same
[08:26] <meoblast001> but gdm should still be seperate
[08:27] <meoblast001> brb
[08:27] <lubosz> MID USB image, wtf
[08:28] <lubosz> should test this in a vm ^^
[08:28] <lubosz> are there descent mid devices that run that?
[08:28] <lubosz> android?
[08:35] <meoblast001> jacob: bluetooth in jaunty sucks
[08:40] <RAOF> meoblast001: That's already possible; it doesn't require compiz, just a composite manager.  But it either requires GTK changes (which break some apps) or app support.
[08:41] <meoblast001> RAOF: oh.... you know what i'm talking about though right?.... applications having transparency based on the object
[08:41] <meoblast001> so that all the backgrounds could be transparent
[08:41] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:41] <meoblast001> but the controls such as text boxes and scroll boxes wouldnt
[08:41] <meoblast001> similar to vista
[08:41] <meoblast001> that would be awesome
[08:42] <RAOF> The murrine engine does that, but it requires app support.
[08:42] <meoblast001> yeah i don't like that version
[08:42] <meoblast001> it only works on specific apps
[08:42] <RAOF> Right.  It's actually quite a lot less interesting :)
[08:42] <meoblast001> every single app should tie in
[08:42] <meoblast001> i don't know a lot about GTK programming so i'm going to make stuff up
[08:42] <meoblast001> but lets say gtkTextBox is found
[08:43] <meoblast001> compiz should make that 100% opaque
[08:43] <RAOF> The only reason why this doesn't work right now is that the application needs an ARGB pixmap.
[08:43] <meoblast001> and everything except that area should be transparent (if the theme aks that only gtkTextBox be 100% opaque)
[08:43] <RAOF> So you can have an Alpha channel (ie: how opaque should this be)
[08:43] <RAOF> The problem: this breaks some trivial apps, like, for example, firefox.
[08:43] <meoblast001> RAOF: yeah.... i don't understand ARGB pixmaps.... sounds a lot more complex than what i just said though
[08:44] <meoblast001> when i read into it
[08:44] <RAOF> It's _exactly_ what you just said, basically.
[08:44] <meoblast001> oh
[08:44] <meoblast001> what does it need the pixmaps
[08:44] <meoblast001> shouldnt it see.. hmm a textbox is there.... make it opaque
[08:44] <RAOF> To tell what should be transparent.
[08:44] <meoblast001> the "telling of what should be transparent" should be reported by GTK
[08:45] <RAOF> Right.  With an alpha channel.
[08:45] <meoblast001> GTK should report where textboxes are
[08:45] <meoblast001> and Compiz should take that data and use it
[08:45] <RAOF> You're describing a 1 bit alpha channel.
[08:45] <meoblast001> i am?
[08:45] <RAOF> IE: this pixel is a part of a text box.
[08:45] <RAOF> This pixel is not a part of a text box.
[08:46] <RAOF> Because that's all that compiz sees.
[08:47] <meoblast001> RAOF: wouldn't my idea work though?
[08:47] <meoblast001> no need for the ARGB pixmap
[08:48] <RAOF> But there still is the need for the ARGB pixmap.
[08:48] <meoblast001> RAOF: why's that?
[08:48] <RAOF> You're just putting the alpha channel somewhere out of band.
[08:48] <meoblast001> ?
[08:49] <RAOF> So... how does GTK tell compiz where the textboxes are?
[08:49] <RAOF> What _shape_ are the textboxes?
[08:49] <meoblast001> how does GTK know where to put the textbox in the first place?
[08:49] <meoblast001> doesn't the application run all this stuff through GTK first?
[08:49] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:49] <meoblast001> ok
[08:50] <meoblast001> so GTK should be programmed to log all this stuff and report it to Compiz
[08:50] <RAOF> _how_
[08:50] <meoblast001> ok
[08:50] <meoblast001> i'm going to make up fake function names again
[08:50] <RAOF> How do you report it to compiz.  Compiz _only_ sees the image of the fully painted window.
[08:50] <RAOF> (That's the pixmap)
[08:51] <meoblast001> createGtkTextBox (0,0,5); < make a GTK text box at 0,0 with 5 amount of curve on the corners
[08:51] <meoblast001> when GTK gets this
[08:51] <meoblast001> it should then open this data up for compiz to get
[08:51] <meoblast001> RAOF: compiz _only_ sees the image of the fully painted window _now_ if this functionality was added, duh GTK and Compiz would need some changes
[08:52] <RAOF> This part here 'open this data up for compiz to get' is exactly the part you need to be concerned with.
[08:52] <meoblast001> so then compiz could get the fully painted window _and_ this data that GTK is reporting to it
[08:52] <RAOF> How does GTK tell compiz what should be transparent, and what should be not transparent?
[08:53] <rww> RAOF, meoblast001: Can you take this to PM? It seems like you're the only people interested in talking about it, and it's pretty offtopic :)
[08:54] <meoblast001> ok
[08:54] <RAOF> Oh.  Other people want to talk? :)
[08:54] <meoblast001> uh oh
[08:54] <meoblast001> ambalance
[08:55] <meoblast001> it ran down the road
[10:08] <phytopius> i have updatet to jaunty and now my font size or dpi is very high..  die fonts in the terminal are abnormally big. i have already tried to change the worth of dpi but without any effects. maybe someone can help me?
[10:09] <phytopius> woth of dpi os 96
[10:16] <ubuntu___> I'm just trying jaunty live at the moment
[10:16] <ubuntu___> if I install it, when jaunty is officially realease, I won't have to install it again, will I?
[10:17] <ubuntu___> just performing upgrades will do?
[10:18] <ikonia> ubuntu___: depends on what changes
[10:18] <ikonia> ubuntu___: something can't be upgraded
[10:18] <ikonia> depending on how it changes
[10:19] <ubuntu___> mh... so when jaunty is released the best thing is to install it again?
[10:19] <ikonia> my personal opinion is yes
[10:20] <ubuntu___> what are this "something" that can't be upgraded?
[10:20] <ubuntu___> just to have a clue... :-)
[10:21] <ikonia> things like libc  - while you can "upgrade" it, because it's so core it is better to re-install it as pretty much everything is linked against it
[10:21] <ubuntu___> mhh... I see...
[10:23] <RAOF> Upgrades from alpha 6 to release should work.
[10:23] <RAOF> They're not supported in the same way as upgrades from intrepid -> jaunty are, but all the developers will be doing that, so... :)
[10:24] <ubuntu___> OK...
[10:24] <ubuntu___> well... I might try that :-)
[10:25] <ubuntu___> I just hope that ATI graph card adapter is handled better now...
[10:27] <ubuntu___> from the live I can't install ati drivers though,,,
[10:27] <ubuntu___> the "Hardware Drivers" does not detect any...
[10:27] <RAOF> What card?
[10:28] <ubuntu___> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3450
[10:28] <RAOF> Oh.  That one should be supported by fglrx :)
[10:29] <RAOF> Which, would mean, as long as you're up to date, that you're hitting a bug.
[10:29] <ubuntu___> well, if I don't use special effects everything worked fine in previous versions...
[10:29] <ubuntu___> but honestly, I'd like to have special effects
[10:29] <RAOF> Until quite recently there wasn't a version of fglrx that would work with our X server.
[10:29] <ubuntu___> and the special effects were not so smooth
[10:30] <RAOF> So alpha 6 won't have fglrx, but you should be able to install it now, IIRC.
[10:30] <ubuntu___> so you're saying: do not use ati proprietary drivers and use fglrx?
[10:31] <RAOF> fglrx _is_ the ati proprietary driver.
[10:31] <RAOF> You can't (yet) download a version of fglrx from ati's website that will work on Jaunty, but there is an unreleased version in Jaunty that should work.
[10:32] <ubuntu___> oops, sorry :(
[10:32] <ubuntu___> mh... what do you mean by unreleased? should I use a specific repository?
[10:33] <RAOF> No, just the version in the main repository.
[10:33] <ubuntu___> ah OK!
[10:33] <RAOF> I mean 'unreleased' as in 'not available for download on ati's website'.
[10:33] <ubuntu___> and that version of fglrx should work you say...
[10:33] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:34] <ubuntu___> actually also the previous ones seem to work, but the performance was pretty bad (with special effects on)
[10:34] <RAOF> As long as you're fully up-to-date; the version on the alpha 6 cds is too old.
[10:38] <ubuntu___> OK, then I'll try to install jaunty on the hard disk
[10:39] <ubuntu___> and see what happens... :-)
[10:39] <s0u][ight> hi guys till now great work on jaunty :)
[10:50] <Milos_SD> How can I add RGBA support in Dust theme that is in Jaunty? I opened gtkrc file in /usr/share/themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/ but there is no RGBA option?
[10:52] <ubuntu__> so I was about to install jaunty, but I see that at the final dialog it does not give much of an option for installing the bootloeader!
[10:53] <ubuntu__> you cannot specify NOT to install it on the mbr
[10:53] <ubuntu__> usually I install it in the first sector of the root partition
[10:54] <ubuntu__> and then have grup installed on the mbr only in my production linux installation...
[10:54] <ubuntu__> can't one do this with jaunty installation?!
[11:02] <ubuntu__> anyone noticed this?
[11:07] <tgpraveen> ubuntuforums.org seems to be having some problem
[11:07] <tgpraveen> seems stable now
[11:23] <kulight> what is the default desktop search tool in 9.04 ?
[11:24] <tgpraveen> did they remove tracker which was default in 8.1\
[11:24] <kulight> its not installed for some reason...
[11:26] <kulight> tgpraveen: do you have it installed by default ?
[11:26] <Lounge> i wanted to ask, did ctrl+alt+backspace get deprecated in jaunty?
[11:27] <crdlb> Lounge: more than deprecated, I'd say :)
[11:27] <Lounge> what's the new way of logging out via keyboard?
[11:27] <crdlb> you can enable it with 'sudo dontzap --disable' if you so desire
[11:27] <Lounge> oh
[11:28] <crdlb> eh, you definitely shouldn't be using c-a-b for logging out
[11:28] <tgpraveen> crdlb: cab?
[11:28] <crdlb> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:28] <Lounge> cab=ctrl alt backspace
[11:28] <tgpraveen> kulight: i remember reading somewhere that were thinking of dropping tracker for jaunty
[11:29] <tgpraveen> crdlb: then what should one use for logginh out
[11:29] <crdlb> the log out menu item?
[11:29] <Lounge> other than using the mouse that is
[11:29] <Lounge> should the mouse fail
[11:30] <kulight> is there a replacement for tracker or you just have to install it manualy ?
[11:30] <tgpraveen> manualy
[11:30] <crdlb> hmm, log out really should be a choice in the ctrl-alt-delete dialog
[11:30] <tgpraveen> crdlb: agreed
[11:30] <crdlb> it also should pop up on top instead of behind the active window :/
[11:31] <kulight> well it make sens (sort of)
[11:31] <crdlb> learn to use startup notification, ubuntu :/
[11:33] <tgpraveen> kulight: why?
[11:33] <tgpraveen>  startup notification?
[11:33] <kulight> how do you contact the GUI team at canonical ?
[11:34] <peterz> recently gnome-settings-deamon started to enable my touchpad, even though my evdev config has it disabled by default
[11:35] <kulight> tgpraveen: because its not essential and it takes comp resources
[11:36] <tgpraveen> kulight: well in any nice modern os a nice search application is needed see spotlight for mac. true tracker wasnt mature enough so they could have included it but not enabled
[11:36] <tgpraveen> it by default like they did for intrepid
[11:38] <kulight> tgpraveen: true. but we can keep guessing why its not there it might be dropped by mistake (its still alpha)
[11:39] <tgpraveen> kulight: not dropped by mistake they found it below acceptable quality to ship it by default
[11:39] <tgpraveen> it does require a lot of work
[11:40] <kulight> ok. any good substitutes ?
[11:41] <tgpraveen> well google desktop search is there for linux and it does do search well.
[11:42] <tgpraveen> other than that install tracker manually or try beagle which is also a famous app
[11:42] <kulight> thank you
[11:42] <tgpraveen> for search but sometimes is resource intensive though that is a matter of debate
[11:42] <tgpraveen> kulight: anytime
[11:49] <tijucas> hi
[11:49] <tijucas> i' m when i upgrade the system there are some locked updates.
[11:50] <tijucas> what is it?
[11:50] <Lounge> tijucas: that would be a dist-upgrade
[11:50] <Lounge> i believe
[11:50] <Lounge> like "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:50] <tijucas> but it was locked by me or by server?
[11:51] <Lounge> oh
[11:51] <Lounge> check synaptic to see if those packages are flagged as locked maybe
[11:52] <tijucas> is there some configuration file that do it?
[11:52] <tijucas> i'm on kubuntu. dont have synaptic
[11:53] <maxb> Is 'locked' the same as 'held' ?
[11:53] <fosco_> hold
[11:55] <tijucas> hum.. on kpackage it says locked updates..
[11:56] <Lounge> tijucas: try sudo aptitude unhold <package>
[11:56] <tijucas> blocked updates
[11:56] <tijucas> hehe
[11:58] <Lounge> okay let me see when you do something like sudo apt-get update does it say can't update or something like that?
[11:58] <tijucas> hum..
[11:58] <tijucas> the system is in portuguese...
[11:59] <tijucas> but in apt-get update it says not
[11:59] <Lounge> does it update the repositories?
[11:59] <tijucas> just the 'normal things'..
[11:59] <tijucas> yes..
[11:59] <tijucas> on apt-get upgrade it says:
[11:59] <maxb> tijucas: running 'export LC_ALL=C' should make programs in that terminal session behave in English
[12:00] <tijucas> hum..
[12:00] <tijucas> will try it.
[12:00] <tijucas> diego@timon:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:00] <tijucas> Reading package lists... Done
[12:00] <tijucas> Building dependency tree
[12:00] <tijucas> Reading state information... Done
[12:00] <tijucas> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:00] <tijucas>   exiv2 gwenview kipi-plugins libgpgme11 libkexiv2-7 libsearchclient0
[12:00] <tijucas>   libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigihtmlgui0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0
[12:00] <tijucas>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[12:00] <tijucas>   linux-restricted-modules-generic strigi-client strigi-daemon
[12:00] <tijucas> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
[12:01] <tijucas> is it.
[12:01] <Lounge> lol okay you need to type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:01] <maxb> AHA. 'kept back' is different from 'held'
[12:02] <tijucas> and kpackage says 'blocked updates'
[12:02] <Lounge> personally i always type "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" but that's just me
[12:02] <tijucas> what is the apt-get and aptitude dferences?
[12:03] <Lounge> not really that much of adifference but its better to just stick with one
[12:03] <tijucas> hum..
[12:03] <Myxb> tijucas: try sudo aptitude why-not exiv2
[12:03] <tijucas> i allways use apt-get, because i just know it.
[12:04] <bruce89> aptitude is almost exactly the same, but with aptitude instead of apt-get at the start
[12:05] <Lounge> for some readon i always find myself using aptitude's safe-upgrade in an alpha version whereas i just use apt-get in a final
[12:05] <tijucas> hehe
[12:05] <Lounge> reason*
[12:05] <maxb> ooi, what does aptitude consider 'unsafe'?
[12:06]  * bruce89 set everything to be auto-installed, and only set select things as manually installed
[12:06] <tijucas> i will run the dist-upgrade. but why should i do it?
[12:06] <tijucas> i will no upgrade to a new dist..
[12:07] <tijucas> not.
[12:07] <bruce89> maxb: aptitude doesn't remove stuff in "safe mode"
[12:07] <tijucas> hum..
[12:07] <tijucas> some upgraded packages need to reboot.
[12:07] <tijucas> :)
[12:08] <tijucas> rebooting.
[12:08] <bruce89> I wouldn't bother actually
[12:12] <tijucas> diego@timon:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:12] <tijucas> Reading package lists... Done
[12:12] <tijucas> Building dependency tree
[12:12] <tijucas> Reading state information... Done
[12:12] <tijucas> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:12] <tijucas> :)
[12:13] <bruce89> !flood
[12:13] <tijucas> 5 lines is not flood.
[12:13] <tgpraveen> !ubottu
[12:14] <bruce89> don't worry about it
[12:14] <tgpraveen> !bruce89
[12:14] <tijucas> hehe
[12:14] <bruce89> just as well
[12:14] <tijucas> !tijucas
[12:14] <tijucas> :)
[12:14] <tgpraveen> !sabdfl
[12:14] <bruce89> !calcutta cup
[12:14] <tijucas> !brazil
[12:15] <tgpraveen> !india
[12:15] <bruce89> !Scotland
[12:15] <tgpraveen> :-(
[12:15] <tijucas> in brazil peopke is sleeping..
[12:15] <tijucas> is 9:15 am
[12:15]  * bruce89 will leave ubottu alone
[12:16] <bazhang> !botabuse
[12:16] <tgpraveen> bruce89: what is calcutta cup
[12:16] <tijucas> hehe
[12:16] <bruce89> the England-Scotland rugby cup that is being decided today
[12:20] <bazhang> please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:20] <bruce89> bazhang: I would, but I'm banned
[12:20] <bazhang> bruce89, well then somewhere else then here.
[12:21] <bruce89> I know, I'll !stop
[12:21] <peterz> anybody know how to kill that annoying 'a programm crashed' popup nonsense?
[12:21] <bruce89> not that I really !started
[12:22] <SeveredCross> peterz: Uninstall apport.
[12:29] <tgpraveen> !ur
[12:34] <c_korn> how can I find out which language pack contains the translation of gnome-screenshot?
[12:34] <peterz> SeveredCross: Thanks!
[12:35] <bruce89> c_korn: dpkg -S /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-utils-2.0.mo, replace en_GB with language
[12:37] <c_korn> bruce89: Oh, I searched for gnome-screenshot. that is way I did not find it. thanks
[12:38] <DrHalan> #msn
[13:21] <asac_the_2nd> anyone has font issues ;)?
[13:21] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. after recent upgrade
[13:21] <asac_the_2nd> if so, let me know!
[13:24] <asac_the_2nd> actually, i am interested which apps suddenly got HUGE fonts after recent upgrade; thanks!
[13:29] <Vorbote> asac_the_2nd: besides the desktop font settings in GNOME, you mean?
[13:30] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: i mean if you are using the default settings we now ship for gnome (e.g. unset your keys in gconf-editor) there are certainly apps that behave wrong (e.g. have HUGE fonts)
[13:30] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: if you have set custom settings in the appearence dialog you wont see this though
[13:30] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name  /desktop/gnome/interface/document_font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name
[13:31] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: those should read "Sans 13.333px" ... or "Monospace 13.333px" if you use the defaults
[13:31] <asac_the_2nd> in gconf-editor (not in the font dialog)
[13:32] <Vorbote> asac_the_2nd: I make a point of resetting all gconf keys when upgrading gnome to a new version (or moving my home dir to a different distro) I've been bitten too many times...
[13:33] <Vorbote> OK. The default settings are 13.333px as you say and they translate to points on my screen, fonts end up being to big.
[13:33] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: right. i want to know the apps where you see these HUGE fonts
[13:34] <Vorbote> Nautilus app font is one. Firefox's default fonts are too big as well (when it defaults to use fontconfig's Sans, Serif, Mono)
[13:34] <asac_the_2nd> gnome panel for instance is definitly correct (so thats a relative base if you dont know what HUGE means)
[13:35] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: nautilus font is correct. but firefox fonts arent as big right?
[13:35] <asac_the_2nd> i mean nautilus is a known app with HUGE fonts ;)
[13:35] <asac_the_2nd> (i will fix that ... i am just searching for more apps that have those overly HUGE fonts)
[13:36] <Vorbote> Huge is when a supposedly 13.333 font looks at an absolute size of 18pt using a scale of 12bp (I *do* have several fonts in CTAN y'know.. :-)
[13:36] <Vorbote> Made by yours truly :-)
[13:36] <Vorbote> s/12bp/72/bp
[13:36] <Vorbote> s/12bp/72bp/
[13:36] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: its quite easy to test. if you change the value in gconf editor to 13.333 (withtout px at the end) and the font size doesnt change its definitly what i am looking for
[13:37] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. compare 13.333px setting vs. 13.333 setting (or 10px vs. 10)
[13:37] <Vorbote> Sure, let me test.
[13:37] <asac_the_2nd> if they are of same size it means they are too HUGE (e.g. px is not honoured)
[13:37] <asac_the_2nd> if 13.333 (without px) is much bigger than 13.333px its probably correct
[13:38] <asac_the_2nd> Vorbote: you might need to restart your apps
[13:38] <asac_the_2nd> some gtk apps auto update though
[13:38] <Vorbote> Remind me the gconf key name
[13:38] <asac_the_2nd> (02:31:04 PM) asac_the_2nd: Vorbote: /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name  /desktop/gnome/interface/document_font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name
[13:38] <asac_the_2nd> font_name is the one used in most places
[13:39] <asac_the_2nd> for nautilus its a different key. but its known to be bad there so i dont need that input
[13:39] <asac_the_2nd> hi gnomefreak ;)
[13:39] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: hi :)
[13:40] <asac> ok i joined now with my main nick ... the other will go down now
[13:41] <Vorbote> OK, I just ran a gconftool --recursive-unset on the whole hierarchy to be sure. Yep, fonts are too big for what the default used to be.
[13:42] <asac> Vorbote: which fonts?
[13:42] <asac> err which apps
[13:42] <Vorbote> the document and the application font
[13:42] <asac> not all apps are wrong ... e.g. plain gtk apps work quite good
[13:42] <asac> what dpi do you have?
[13:42] <asac> xdpyinfo | grep reso resolution:    94x94 dots per inch
[13:42] <asac> oops
[13:43] <asac> xdpyinfo | grep reso
[13:43] <asac> ;)
[13:43] <Vorbote> Nor Xft apps. I have a couple of XTerms open and they are fine. I'm using pidgin now and it is definitely oversized
[13:43] <Vorbote> OTOH aMule's display is fine
[13:43] <asac> Vorbote: yes. pidgin content area is broken
[13:43] <asac> Vorbote: but the menus are right (so you get the base we target)
[13:43] <Vorbote> That's correct. gnome-panel is wrong.
[13:44] <asac> gnome-panel is correct ;)
[13:44] <asac> Vorbote: change the font_name from Sans 13.333px
[13:44] <asac> to 13.333
[13:44] <asac> in gconf-editor
[13:44] <Vorbote> Dang! You are rigght. Time for new glasses. :-)
[13:44] <asac> if the font size gets bigger the app does the right thing
[13:44] <asac> if it doesnt change then the app is broken :)
[13:44] <asac> (after restart to be sure)
[13:46] <asac> so far i know pidgin (content area), gnome-terminal (have a fix), notify-osd, evolution (content area) to be kind of broken
[13:46] <Vorbote> No need to restart. The app is behaving correctly.
[13:46] <asac> if you see other apps i want to know
[13:46] <Vorbote> Let me run down through my desktop
[13:46] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. just to be sure a restart helps
[13:46] <asac> some apps dont update all fonts if the underlying setting changes
[13:47] <asac> great. thanks a lot
[13:47] <asac> thunderbird is also known to be HUGE ;)
[13:47] <asac> (maybe start it to see what HUGE means ;))
[13:48] <nemo> huge?
[13:48] <nemo> asac: thunderbird is much less of a memory hog than evolution
[13:49] <nemo> unless you have many large spools perhaps. but even then...
[13:49] <asac> nemo: we are talking about font sizes
[13:49] <nemo> ah :D
[13:49] <asac> with default jaunty settings
[13:49] <nemo> you said "also known to be huge"
[13:49] <asac> thunderbird 3 is correct (as firefox 3 ;))
[13:49] <nemo> didn't realise that was referring to fonts :)
[13:49] <nemo> the grammar confused me :-p
[13:49] <asac> nemo: we are talking about fonts all the time ;) ... read the backlog
[13:49] <nemo> um
[13:49] <nemo> I was following it
[13:49] <asac> if you find apps that behave bad let me know
[13:49] <nemo> it was that particular construct that puzzled me :-p
[13:50] <asac> hehe
[13:50] <asac> yeah
[13:50] <asac> maybe me being too lazy-typer on weekends
[13:50] <nemo> anyway. all my apps are behaving nicely
[13:50] <gnomefreak> asac: anything need to be done while im here? i have to ping LP guy and maybe fix target on 1.1.15
[13:50] <nemo> maybe 'cause I don't really change my fonts much
[13:50] <gnomefreak> afaik
[13:50] <asac> nemo: that means you either dont have an up-to-date jaunty or you have custom font settings ;)
[13:51] <asac> nemo: ok run:
[13:51] <asac> gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name
[13:51] <asac> what do you get?
[13:52] <Vorbote> Hmmm.... Yelp is definitely wrong.
[13:52] <asac> Vorbote: screen?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> wrong channel :(
[13:52] <Vorbote> asac: The help browser.
[13:52] <asac> Vorbote: yeah i know. i see it now
[13:52] <asac> let me check
[13:53] <c_korn> Sans 13.333px
[13:53] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. yelp is bogus and doesnt honour absolute font sizing
[13:54] <asac> does it use webkit nowadays?
[13:54] <asac> hmm seems gecko
[13:57] <Vorbote> asac: Brasero looks a bit off, but it seems a poor choice in font size ratios.
[13:58] <asac> ok found why yelp is broken
[13:58] <asac> Vorbote: does brasero change its fonts if you add "px" at the end or remove it?
[13:58] <asac> if so its correct
[13:58] <Vorbote> lemme check
[13:58] <edgy> Hi, I cannot connect my broadcom to a WPA access point and don't know how to troubleshoot it.  I can connect to open netowork only
[13:59] <asac> yeah brasero is bogus too
[13:59] <asac> great. now i have two more apps ;)
[13:59] <asac> yelp + brasero
[13:59] <Vorbote> Yup, brasero is stuck
[14:00] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. it interprets 13.333px as 13.333 points ;)
[14:00] <nemo> asac: bitstream vera sans - like I said. don't change much :-p
[14:00] <asac> almost all apps that do their own font tweaking get this rong as it seems ;)
[14:00] <asac> nemo: thats custom font
[14:00] <nemo> reallly.
[14:00] <nemo> hm
[14:00] <asac> nemo: set it to Sans 13.333px
[14:00] <nemo> everything looks fine
[14:00] <asac> thats the default nowadays
[14:01] <nemo> ah
[14:01] <asac> nemo: right. because its still using the "point" unit
[14:01] <nemo> no thanks :)
[14:01] <nemo> I like bitstream vera sans, and I guess I made it a small font 'cause this screen is tiny.
[14:01] <asac> nemo: so the gconftool output didnt include any sizing?
[14:02] <asac> nemo: btw, Sans [14:02] <asac> nemo: what dpi does your screen have
[14:02] <asac> nemo: btw, we changed to "px" units to address the tiny screens
[14:02] <nemo> $ gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name
[14:02] <nemo> Bitstream Vera Sans 8
[14:02] <asac> nemo: so the defaults should be good for you now
[14:02] <nemo> asac: do you happen to know how to make the taskbar smaller than 24px?
[14:02] <asac> nemo: yeah. change that to 10.666px
[14:03] <nemo> maybe my applets are the problem, but I can't seem to get smaller than 24px
[14:03] <asac> nemo: that will give you what you have now except for apps that are bad
[14:03] <nemo> even with .gtk custom changes
[14:03] <asac> nemo: i dont know how to make it smaller. its proably constraint by the fonts used?
[14:03] <nemo> naw. don't think it is font. all those seem to have shrunk ok
[14:04] <asac> nemo: whats you dpi?
[14:04] <asac> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[14:04] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/gtkrc.txt - got this from someone else
[14:04] <nemo> it helped some
[14:04] <nemo> standard 96
[14:04] <asac> nemo: good. then you can use 10.666px
[14:04] <asac> and get the same as 8
[14:05] <nemo> why would I change? :)
[14:05] <nemo> everything seems fine over here :-p
[14:05] <asac> nemo: because you are not selfish and are running jaunty to test stuff ;)
[14:05] <nemo> I am testing stuff
[14:05] <asac> but well. if not, dont do it
[14:05] <asac> changing back is easy
[14:05] <nemo> have enough broken things :D
[14:05] <asac> nemo: yeah. but we have "px" by default now everywhere
[14:06]  * nemo sighs
[14:06] <asac> so you are at least not testing our new font approach
[14:06] <nemo> fiiiiiine
[14:06] <asac> nemo: no need to. i got enough valuable input for now ;)
[14:06] <nemo> the annoying thing with menu bar is the spinner implies it can go below 24
[14:07] <nemo> but. if you do that, you just get apps that go under it.
[14:08] <nemo> hm. I'm going to add my applets one at a time to a 20px bar, see which ones are at fault
[14:08] <asac> argh. braseros hard codes its font string ;)
[14:08] <nemo> notification area is ok
[14:08] <asac> nemo: spinner?
[14:08] <nemo> spinner?
[14:09] <Vorbote> asac: I just noticed something very interesting with gnome-calculator. I left open one instance open though all my font scaling changes and then opened a new instance. The fonts in the first instance that went through all the resizing is wider probably because it is assuming the display fonts are double-width. CJK font handling problems, perhaps?
[14:09] <nemo> ahhah
[14:09] <nemo> is the stupid menu system
[14:09] <nemo> hm
[14:10] <nemo> I wonder if it is the icon
[14:10] <nemo> that "ubuntu" icon perhaps not scaling?
[14:10] <crdlb> nemo: you're trying to get a panel smaller than 24px?
[14:10] <nemo> crdlb: 20px works great for everything except the combined nav menu
[14:10] <nemo> applications/places/system (dunno what that applet is called)
[14:10] <crdlb> I don't speak for the panel devs, but I'd say you're on your own below 24px
[14:10] <nemo> yeah
[14:10] <nemo> bastards :D
[14:11] <nemo> all the others work. virtual desktops, minimise desktops, combined login menu...
[14:11] <nemo> I'm going to see if I can change that ubuntu icon in that applet...
[14:11] <nemo> it must be customisable or it wouldn't be set to ubuntu
[14:12] <asac> Vorbote: hmm. sounds odd
[14:12] <asac> Vorbote: if the new instance is ok with "13.333px" i woudlnt be too bothered though
[14:13] <Vorbote> asac: the new instance is correct.
[14:14] <nemo> hm. not all themese have a start-here.png smaller than 22px
[14:14] <asac> Vorbote: thats ok then. but seems the field where the text is doesnt honour font setting properly
[14:15] <asac> the rest is ok
[14:15] <nemo> but ubuntu studio does. odd.
[14:15] <Vorbote> asac: and font spacing and tracking is correct as well, it seems as if the font box shmming at the extremes were not calculated correctly.
[14:16] <Vorbote> asac: I'll upload a pic somewhere, give me a sec
[14:16] <asac> so seems apps using the gtktextbox facility are broken ... and those that do stuff on their own
[14:16] <asac> also gtkhtml2/3 is broken so fixing that should help
[14:16] <asac> Vorbote: kewl
[14:20] <asac> devhelp also confirmed to do its own inferior size parsing
[14:20] <nemo> woot
[14:20] <nemo> start-here.png
[14:21] <nemo> clobbered every instance of it with a 16x16 png version
[14:21] <nemo> (after backing up of course)
[14:21] <nemo> alll better
[14:21] <nemo> mmm. screen real-estate...
[14:22] <Vorbote> asac: http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2702/weirdfontrescaling.png
[14:23] <godmok> hi, yesterday i installed ubuntu, and mounted the home partition as always, and since then my user is reseted to default (all data nowhere to found), but gparted and nautilus shows, that there are 60gb used. any suggestion?
[14:23] <sakura> Hello, yesterday night i upgraded to jaunty jackalope and as it said in the upgrade process, now i have problems when starting X. I have an ati x1200 radeon video card, the fglrx module coulnt be compiled by dkms, so i tryed using vesa driver, adding at Devices section the option Driver   "vesa", but seems to not work. When launching X, my machine get freezed, ideas ? :)
[14:23] <Vorbote> asac: http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8427/weirdfontrescalingdetai.png
[14:24] <nemo> sakura: pastebin your xorg log
[14:24] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. the fonts look ok ... just the widget insets/padding
[14:24] <sakura> nemo, ok, i'll try ...
[14:24] <asac> Vorbote: definitly a bug too ;)
[14:24] <asac> dont think has to do with any specific font
[14:25] <asac> Vorbote: reproducible
[14:25] <Vorbote> asac: I'd think it has to do with either gtkhtml2/3, pango, freetype or all of them.
[14:25] <asac> Vorbote: you can just bump font size to something big and then back to small and the widget insets dont change (even though the fonts do)
[14:26] <asac> Vorbote: its either gtk itself or more likely some manual tweaking gnome-calculator does
[14:27] <asac> i would think its gnome-calculator ... other gtk buttons seems to behave correct
[14:27] <Vorbote> asac: yes, you are right. Other apps behave correcly.
[14:28] <asac> so the gnome-calculator text entry area uses fixed point sizt
[14:28] <asac> that explains why it doesnt change there at all
[14:28] <asac> ango_font_description_set_size(font_desc, 16 * PANGO_SCALE);
[14:28] <asac> thats bad ;)
[14:28] <asac> actually: pango_font_description_set_size(font_desc, 16 * PANGO_SCALE);
[14:28] <asac> but well. nothing to be too bothered about
[14:28] <asac> at least they dont boost the font size like others do
[14:30] <asac> Vorbote: heh. i know the reason
[14:31] <asac> Vorbote: so when you increase fontsize the window gets resized
[14:31] <asac> Vorbote: if you decrease the window doesnt get resized to best size (makes sense somewhat)
[14:31] <Vorbote> asac: yes. And doesn't scale down when the fonts are reduced in size.
[14:31] <asac> Vorbote: since the widgets are "fill" the buttons just stay bigger
[14:31] <asac> Vorbote: yeah.
[14:31] <Vorbote> Aha
[14:31] <gnomefreak> anyone using seamonkey-1.1x can you please test 1.1.15 from https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/ppa please
[14:31] <asac> maybe a bug ... but i think its ok
[14:32] <Vorbote> asac: call it a blemish.. Still an HIG violation, I'd say.
[14:32] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. its arguably a bug ... but nothing i will look into for this font stuff ;)
[14:33] <asac> good ... so gnome-calculator scratched from my potential font misusers list ;)
[14:33] <Vorbote> If you know the developers just tell them that Bringhurst said that doing bad typography is worse than stealing sheep (the guy was a Scot ;-P)
[14:34] <sakura> nemo, here the conf http://paste.plone.org/27106 , logs: http://pastebin.com/m34309300
[14:34] <asac> Vorbote: you seem to run a nice almost pristine ubuntu desktop ... is that a test profile or are you running that as production system?
[14:36] <Vorbote> As a production system. Call me a control freak :-) When I need to do something very special I run it in a VM or in a second very slutty partition.. :-P
[14:37] <nemo> sakura: no hangs that I can see in X - maybe gnome? pastebin ~/.xsession-errors
[14:37] <nemo> s/hangs/errors/
[14:37] <sakura> ok nemo
[14:37] <asac> Vorbote: thats a great approach imo ... at least to contribute in testing ;)
[14:38] <nemo> meh
[14:38] <nemo> testing needs we abusers of systems :-p
[14:38] <nemo> idealised envs pass testing too easily :D
[14:39] <Vorbote> asac: Experience through out the years (and the pain of reinstalling all kind of vendor unices) have taught me that the only way to keep your sanity and not broke a production box is to keep your naughty compiler and special apps off the equation (I do compile my own kernels when needed thouch :-)
[14:39] <nemo> well. that is definitely true of *production* boxes :)
[14:39] <nemo> Vorbote: although I use gentoo in production env :D
[14:40] <nemo> with 9/10ths of the portage tree blocked in rsync though
[14:40] <godmok> hi, yesterday i reinstalled ubuntu, and mounted the home partition, and since then my user is reseted to default (all old data nowhere to be found), but gparted and nautilus shows, that there are 70gb used
[14:40] <Vorbote> nemo: I can justify it if doing embedded.
[14:41] <Vorbote> asac: but yes, the only concession to my addictions are the two p2p apps you saw in my screenshot and more codecs than a sane mad would load in a workstation :-)
[14:41] <asac> Vorbote: our kernel team now provides daily and milestone vanilla kernel packages from linus tree somewhere (if thats why you compile your own things)
[14:42] <asac> Vorbote: heh. thats ok ;)
[14:42] <sakura> nemo, here http://pastebin.com/m57fb3c30
[14:42] <asac> Vorbote: whats the blue waterdrop like thing in the tray?
[14:43] <asac> Vorbote: left to pidgin
[14:43] <Vorbote> asac: In general, yes. BTW, I forgot the kernel team's ppa for dailies else I'd be using that one. 2.6.29 has proven to be far more stable in this box (an aging middle end WS). The blue drop is Deluge
[14:43]  * Vorbote thinks it is a great replacement for vuze.
[14:43] <nemo> sakura: ...Too much output, ignoring rest...
[14:43] <asac> Vorbote: its not a ppa unfortuantely ... its a directory somewhere where you can download the debs (afaik)
[14:44] <nemo> sakura: oh well :-/
[14:44] <nemo> odd. seems to be starting ok
[14:44] <asac> Vorbote: ah. ok. transmission is really good too nowadays
[14:44] <asac> i usually used bittorrent or bittornado with curses frontend
[14:44] <sakura> my xorg was fine right ?
[14:44] <sakura> it should start X using vesa, right ?
[14:44] <Vorbote> asac: unfortunately it doesn't do DHT.
[14:44] <asac> DHT?
[14:45] <Vorbote> asac: yes a trackerless protocol based on kademlia, it helps lots when torrents have a few peers.
[14:45] <asac> ah. yeah.
[14:46] <asac> but thats not torrent anymore then, right?
[14:46] <asac> or well. at least a different kind of torrent ;)
[14:48] <Vorbote> In fact, I think we are headed that way. Torrent trackers are seen as the root of all evil (poor Britney has to change her private airjet gold toilets for silver toilets due to the loses caused by p2p... And that's not a South Parth joke, check The Register some years back...).
[14:48] <Vorbote> s/has to/had to/
[14:52] <Vorbote> asac: How could I mis this one! gnome-terminal
[15:02] <asac> Vorbote: gnome-terminal is fixed in my PPA
[15:02] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive
[15:03] <asac> there is some other experimental stuff for fonts, so at best just pick the terminal parts
[15:03] <Vorbote> asac: OK
[15:03] <asac> or well
[15:03] <asac> actually those experimental things shouldnt make a difference unless you set special stuff in gconf
[15:03] <asac> ;)
[15:03] <asac> one of the things it does it automatic detection of subpixel rendering type for LCDs and CRT
[15:04] <Vorbote> that sound very interesting. As it is now, settings seem tuned for a laptop LCD panel. They are somewhat blurry in a desktop LCD.
[15:05] <nekr0z> Hello everybody! Can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346227 or it's just me doing something wrong?
[15:07] <Halow> Huh. I updated less than 15 mins ago, so I got the new kernel, which I just booted to.
[15:09] <nekr0z> the only thing I can think of then is ext4, used both on my laptop and in virtualbox test, but I don't see how it may be causing the problem I've described :(
[15:09] <Halow> I'm using ext4 for / and /home partitions.
[15:10] <nekr0z> was that a clean ext4 install? mine were both converted from ext3
[15:10] <Halow> Ohhhh... yeah. Clean install. I'm waiting to convert my Intrepid install for when things calm down more. ;)
[15:12] <nekr0z> then - if this is actually the reason - it looks like I'm having problems.
[15:12] <Vorbote> Halow: can you confirm the sizes of both vmlinuz and the initrd file? It's happened to me before that the kernel is zeroed due to a too fast reboot or a lockup while creating the initrd when using ext4
[15:13] <Halow> Let me check them.
[15:13] <c_korn> btw, why doesn't jaunty have the update notifier?
[15:14] <Vorbote> c_korn: it does but it's broken now (last update didn't fix it, so it seems).
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Vorbote: did they put it back?
[15:15] <joerlend_> am I right in assuming that after alpha 6, there shouldn't be those large numbers of updates?
[15:15] <Vorbote> At least it is in this box that I installed from an alpha 6 desktop CD.
[15:15] <c_korn> Vorbote: every day I find new bugs in jaunty :-( hopefully they will get fixed until release. do you have some bug id I can subscribe on?
[15:16] <eternal_p> c_korn: every day you find bugs in an alpha release... the devil you say!
[15:16] <Halow> Vorbote: vmzlinuz = 3.4MB,  initrd = 7.6MB.
[15:17] <nekr0z> Halow: same picture here, only mine wouldn't boot :(
[15:18] <Vorbote> Halow: Hmmm... Perhaps recreating the initrd could help.  Try "update-initramfs -k all -u" and reboot when you have a chance.
[15:18] <nekr0z> Vorbote: thanks, I'll try it (it's me having a problem, not Halow
[15:18] <Vorbote> c_korn: nope, none I'm aware of but then I haven't digged in launchpad for update-manager bugs, yet.
[15:19] <eternal_p> Vortbote: it is there, there is a posting on the forum about it, I believe there is a link to launchapd
[15:19] <Vorbote> nekr0z: OK, missed that one :-)
[15:19] <asac> Vorbote: do you have a CRT somewhere?
[15:19] <Vorbote> asac: not anymor e:-(
[15:21] <asac> Vorbote: ok i would still like to see the output of xrandr --dryrun pasted for both your laptop and your desktop LCD panel
[15:21] <asac> because that shows if you have different subpixel rendering types
[15:22] <asac> Vorbote: actually: xrandr --dryrun | grep Subp
[15:22] <Halow> Vorbote: Sorry, doing the update-initramfs now.
[15:22] <Halow> OK, time to reboot. Let's see how this goes. ;)
[15:24] <asac> Vorbote: remember to include my nick when you answer me ;) ... otherwise i will miss your answers/question
[15:24]  * asac out for a while walking in the sun ;)
[15:24] <Halow> Rebooted fine.
[15:24] <Halow> I love how fast that is now. :)
[15:29] <penguin42> anyone else having gnumeric problems in Jaunty?
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> what date is the beta out please guys?
[15:29] <asac> ActionParsnip: next thu
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> thanks :)
[15:30] <asac> could get pushed back to fri ... but i think thats the date
[15:30] <asac> ActionParsnip: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[15:31] <Vorbote> asac: the desktop lcd says no subpixels (HP L1740), the laptop says  subpixels unknown (a Dell Inspiron 1420) but then that one is running Fedora Rawhide ;-)
[15:32] <c_korn> this is it: bug 332945
[15:34] <asac> Vorbote: hmm. so it fails for you. what graphics chipset/driver are you using?
[15:34] <asac> Vorbote: are you sure that the HP L1740 has subpixels?
[15:35] <asac> there are monitors without it
[15:35] <asac> Vorbote: so you said that laptop looks good, but desktop blurry?
[15:35] <penguin42> asac: How does that work - isn't subpixel just the r/g/b subpixels?
[15:37] <asac> penguin42: please run xrandr --dryrun | grep -i subpixel ;)
[15:37] <asac> penguin42: no there are different types of subpixel
[15:37] <Vorbote> asac: Yes. with basically the same settings. But do take into account that Fedora Rawhide has bleedier edge bits in it.
[15:37] <penguin42> asac: I've got 2 unknowns and a 'horizontal rgb'
[15:37] <asac> penguin42: yeah. thats good
[15:37] <asac> so you have the "normal" subpixel type
[15:38] <penguin42> asac: I know there are different types - but a monitor would always have subpixels wouldn't it - you might just not know what they are?
[15:38] <asac> Vorbote: that shouldnt cause the subpixels unknown
[15:38] <penguin42> (I wish I knew why my external monitor blanked for a second doing that)
[15:38] <asac> Vorbote: well could be
[15:38] <asac> but unlikely
[15:38] <asac> penguin42: thats xrandr probing stuff ... sometimes causes weird things in the driver
[15:39] <asac> so --dryrun can be a bit nondry in some cases ;)
[15:39] <penguin42> asac: Yeh - I see the same thing when some video players starts up
[15:39] <penguin42> hmph = it looks like I'm hitting #333139
[15:39] <asac> penguin42: all video players or just some?
[15:39] <asac> bug 333139
[15:39] <penguin42> asac: not flash, but some others
[15:40] <Vorbote> asac: as well, I do have my little nigtasmus going against me, so I'm not a particular good judge on blurryness, rather on accessibility. ;-)
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> !5.10
[15:48] <lubosz> is it possible to install a persistent pen drive jaunty with ext4?
[15:48] <lubosz> it seems to do that only with fat, whats the matter with that?
[15:48] <lubosz> my pen drive has incredibly better benchmarks with ext
[15:49] <sebsebseb>  
[15:49] <lubosz>  
[15:50] <papo> does anyone know something about the state of the radeon/radeonhd driver in jaunty? I remember that version 6.12 (?) was supposed to come with great improvements but needed some kernel bits for certain features. Are these in yet?
[15:52] <lubosz> papo: why dont you get the latest proprietary driver from amd.com?
[15:52] <lubosz> but i don't know about ati in jaunty or in general
[15:52] <papo> lubosz: because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/346372
[15:52] <lubosz> hm, too bad
[15:53] <papo> lubosz: well to be precise I don't use the one from amd.com because it's not supporting the new 1.6 ABI
[15:54] <papo> lubosz: but they made a beta release available to ubuntu which is supposed to support it... however I have issues with that release
[15:54] <papo> and with every other amd.com release
[15:54]  * unixdawg thinks jaunty 64 is the bomb
[15:54] <lubosz> i thought amd would fix things with drivers
[15:54] <unixdawg> its working great
[15:55] <lubosz> i stick to nvidia
[15:55] <lubosz> i'm buying a new desktop pc next month and i think it will be nvidia gdx
[15:55] <lubosz> gfx
[15:55] <penguin42> unixdawg: It's not doing too bad for me; it's fixed a couple of longtime bugs for me - but it's gained a couple as well so far - but hey that's what alpha releases are for
[15:56] <unixdawg> yeah
[15:56] <unixdawg> I have had no issues other then the fact the sd/ms/pro/mmc/sm/xd card rader on my laptop is not yet suppoerted
[15:57] <unixdawg> rader/reader
[15:57] <penguin42> unixdawg: Ah - mine seems to started working :-)
[15:58] <unixdawg> 05:09.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
[15:58] <unixdawg> 05:09.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller
[15:58] <unixdawg> sorry
[15:58] <unixdawg> hit my wheel
[15:58] <penguin42> 07:06.3 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller
[15:59] <unixdawg> hmm I dont find a driver for mine
[16:00] <unixdawg> I would like to see it work
[16:01] <unixdawg> my modem and everything else works
[16:01] <unixdawg> just not my media reader/writer
[16:01] <nekr0z> Vorbote: I did update-initramfs -k all -u, now I can't even boot to older kernels, the new one still has the same error, and the old ones have another error
[16:01] <Halow> Sheesh.
[16:01] <nekr0z> Vorbote: something about block outside of filesystem or that sort of things :(
[16:02] <nekr0z> any ideas of what to do but reinstall?
[16:02] <penguin42> nekr0z: It would probably be useful if you had the full error - what filesystem?
[16:03] <nekr0z> penguin42: ext4
[16:03] <penguin42> nekr0z: I'm betting you've hit an ext4 bug
[16:04] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Or did you use gparted to carve out a new partition?
[16:05] <nekr0z> penguin42: I bet the same thing :) The questions are: is it that same old zero-length bug judging by non-zero-length files in question, and what to do next :)
[16:05] <nekr0z> Vorbote: of course not!
[16:06] <unixdawg> penguin42, do a lspci and show me what driver yours is using
[16:06] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Good for you! Gparted has this annoying bug that creates overlapping partitions that can break a whole system down.
[16:06] <penguin42> unixdawg: Cool - when did lspci gain kernel driver info :-)
[16:06] <penguin42> unixdawg: tifm_7xx1 and sdhci-pci
[16:07] <unixdawg> tifm_7xx1 and sdhci-pci
[16:07] <unixdawg> shos loaded
[16:08] <unixdawg> sorry ment lsmod
[16:08] <penguin42> unixdawg: The other device listed in there is 07:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)    which i the one with tifm_7xx1 bound to it
[16:08] <penguin42> unixdawg: No, lspci -v has got the module info!
[16:08] <unixdawg> tifm_7xx1 and sdhci-pci
[16:08] <unixdawg> sdhci_pci              16896  0
[16:08] <unixdawg> sdhci                  27396  1 sdhci_pci
[16:09] <unixdawg> maybe it is working
[16:09] <unixdawg> have to find my card and test
[16:10] <unixdawg> ok it looks to have drivers nice
[16:10] <unixdawg> then its fully working
[16:12] <unixdawg> ok it works
[16:12] <unixdawg> yes
[16:12] <penguin42> unixdawg: woohoo progress!
[16:13] <unixdawg> that means my laptop fully works
[16:13] <unixdawg> this is nice
[16:13] <Vorbote> nekr0z: do you have the older kernel (2.6.28-10) installed?
[16:13] <nekr0z> Vorbote: I have just checked with fdisk for just-in-case: partitions don't overlap
[16:13] <penguin42> unixdawg: I think the only thing that doesn't on mine are the multimedia keys
[16:13] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Good!
[16:13] <nekr0z> Vorbote: yes. but after update-initramfs -k all -u it's no longer bootable, too
[16:14] <unixdawg> ok my vol keys work
[16:14] <unixdawg> oops
[16:15] <unixdawg> ok the FN+work on mine
[16:15] <unixdawg> so
[16:15] <unixdawg> everything on mine is working
[16:15] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Hmm... That sounds like a filesystem bug :-(. Try using a rescue CD like RIPLinux http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ (my favorite) to boot up, check your disks, chroot into your ubuntu install and reinstall the kernels.
[16:16] <penguin42> ah these are a set of 4 separate music player keys
[16:16]  * penguin42 leaves ext4 for other people to fight :-)
[16:16] <unixdawg> f9-f12
[16:16]  * Vorbote has used ext4 since early December with no real problems yet.
[16:16] <nekr0z> Vorbote: is that possible to do with Jaunty Alpha livecd? I doubt RIPlinux has ext4 support
[16:17] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Sure it does :-)
[16:17] <unixdawg> f9 = play pause f10 = stop f11=reverse f12= ff
[16:17] <penguin42> nekr0z: I'd check your partition table first, just make sure it's OK before attacking the filesystem and I'd check on some ext4 places just to see if there is a given for the problem you have
[16:17] <Vorbote> nekr0z: probably the only rescue CD that does these days.
[16:17] <nekr0z> Vorbote: anyway I have nowhere to burn a disk till monday
[16:18] <Vorbote> nekr0z: Then, you can use your Jaunty CD.
[16:18] <nekr0z> penguin42: I've just checked the partition table with fdisk, looks OK. what ext4 places are you talking about?
[16:19]  * Vorbote is too partial to RIPLinux and takes every opportunity to make a plug.
[16:20] <penguin42> nekr0z: I'm not sure - perhaps linux-filesystems mailing list - it's just possible that it might need latest ext4 tools to fix
[16:21] <penguin42> RIPLinux?
[16:21] <nekr0z> penguin42: i see, thanks
[16:21] <unixdawg> Linux has died onlu *unubtu survives
[16:21] <unixdawg> RIP= Rest in pieces
[16:23] <thiebaude> i just wanted everyone to know i fixed my issue with bug 304871
[16:23] <Vorbote> penguin42: it is a rescue cd based on slackware. Very easy to use, keeps the kernel and rescue utilities up-to-date. The choice of other apps is disputable though. (Epic4, puah!)
[16:23] <penguin42> Vorbote: Ah cool - I've always tended to use knoppix for rescue discs
[16:24] <Vorbote> penguin42: in fact, using RIPLinuX from a USB stick is the simplest thing
[16:26]  * Vorbote thinks that you have to have all your bases covered even more when using a testing distro.
[16:27] <thiebaude> soo true Vorbote
[16:27] <MTecknology> hurray - yet another kernel release
[16:27] <MTecknology> I like watching them
[16:27] <thiebaude> i'm soo happy using 9.04 now
[16:28] <nekr0z> thiebaude: same here. unhappy fighting it though :)
[16:28] <MTecknology> same here - except not a whole lot has changed
[16:28] <MTecknology> I need to report one bug
[16:28] <MTecknology> eventually
[16:29] <thiebaude> nekr0z: the only thing is fonts are too small, but i have temp fix by using xrandr -s 800x600 -r 85
[16:29] <thiebaude> this system is very usable
[16:29] <Vorbote> The gnome 2.26 transition was a roller-coaster. Freezes all over the place. Today it finally seems to have queased a bit.
[16:29] <Vorbote> s/queased/quelched/
[16:29] <thiebaude> this particular bug has been around for about 3 months
[16:31] <penguin42> Vorbote: I haven't spotted many user visible changes with 2.26 though
[16:31] <unixdawg> i say that we merge *ubuntu and freebsd
[16:31] <unixdawg> lol
[16:32] <Vorbote> penguin42: there were many architectural changes. The word is that Gnome 3.0 is coming and we are standing on the railtracks.
[16:33] <coz_> hey guys... wacom table autodetect is working in jaunty?  and is there now a gui for wacom settings?
[16:33] <Turl> hi, I'm experiencing a regression from intrepid and earlier jaunty
[16:34]  * penguin42 stands still and looks at the train with big open eyes
[16:34] <Halow> Moo?
[16:34] <Turl> on GDM, my laptop's brightness is set very low
[16:34] <Turl> and I have to change it with my brightness keys
[16:34] <Turl> but if I leave it unchanged and login, it is set correctly
[16:44] <jussi01> CoJaBo-Aztec: read the topic before asking stuff :)
[16:45] <CoJaBo-Aztec> jussi01: How do I see the whole topic in irssi?
[16:45] <jussi01> CoJaBo-Aztec: type /topic
[16:48] <CoJaBo-Aztec> jussi01: Thanks again lol :)
[16:48] <gnomefreak> in irssi /t works as well but i think thats a freenode thing
[16:48] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How stable is Jaunty alpha 6?
[16:48] <penguin42> CoJaBo-Aztec: Doesn't seem too bad - I have hit a few bugs
[16:49] <CoJaBo-Aztec> penguin42: What kind of bugs have you experianced?
[16:49] <penguin42> CoJaBo-Aztec: I've got a gnumeric bug (which looks like someone already has a fix for) and I got a crash when I hibernated last week
[16:50] <gnomefreak> CoJaBo-Aztec: that is too hard to answer since the kernel is fine for most people but others have issues. Its more about what apps you use what hardware and what you plan to use it for. i still suggest you use it on a spare pc that you dont need
[16:51] <penguin42> Having said that my SD card slot works, Google earth fonts seem to work again for me and it's almost possible network manager is playing ball
[16:51] <gnomefreak> if you are not sure to the above, think of it as a house in the middle of the ocean
[16:51] <penguin42> or in a vm
[16:51] <CoJaBo-Aztec> lol
[16:53] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does wubi work OK in Jaunty? Has anyone tried it yet?
[16:55] <gnomefreak> CoJaBo-Aztec: i havent tried but thats normal for me. this PC is for testing and working i use intrepid for non Ubuntu work
[16:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Ok. This is probably a good opertunity to take a full backup of that system anyway :P
[16:56] <penguin42> actually has updated this machine (my main box) to Jaunty - but some of the bugs are a bit painful - but there again it's good to hit the bugs before the final release
[16:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> penguin42: What are the moist painful bugs?
[16:57] <penguin42> CoJaBo-Aztec: The failure to hibernate was a bit of a pain for me; the gnumeric one is a little annoying but is easy to work around
[16:57] <thiebaude> CoJaBo-Aztec: bug 304871
[16:58] <penguin42> thiebaude: Ooh nasty - it seems OK on i945
[16:58] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is that one just on intel cards?
[16:58] <theron> just downloaded and installed the server edition, and looking at the alpha6 known issues it states that the "encrypted home ditrectory" option on desktop is not available.  It's still available and working on server edition.  Anyone know what is broke?
[16:58] <thiebaude> penguin42: it is getting better, i can now use 9.04
[16:59] <Vorbote> CoJaBo-Aztec: no. It is in older, non-DRI2 drivers.
[16:59] <gnomefreak> CoJaBo-Aztec: yes by the looks of it only on the i845g card
[16:59] <thiebaude> its only a font issue now
[16:59] <Vorbote> Or did that one got fixed upstream already?
[16:59] <thiebaude> i have a i815
[16:59] <gnomefreak> Vorbote: not sure i try to stay away from X bugs
[16:59] <CoJaBo-Aztec> The system I'm going to try is a laptop with an Nvidia graphics card.
[16:59] <asac> Vorbote: one thing. on your desktop lcd does selecting grayscale in the gnome font appearence dialog help you?
[17:00] <Vorbote> asac: give me a second
[17:00] <asac> Vorbote: you could also try other subpixel types inthe "details" dialog
[17:00] <penguin42> also has  a little fun bug where tooltips on icons on the panel appear over the wrong panel - but that's not annoying, just a bit odd
[17:00] <thiebaude> theron: it on a couple of intel integrated cards
[17:00] <thiebaude> its
[17:00]  * CoJaBo-Aztec might try 64-bit version...
[17:00] <asac> Vorbote: but i have the feeling that you need grayscale for best results there
[17:00] <penguin42> CoJaBo-Aztec: I'm running 64bit
[17:00] <theron> thiebaude: thank you.
[17:00] <Vorbote> asac: well, you are right
[17:01] <thiebaude> theron: are you having problems with 9.04?
[17:01] <asac> Vorbote: good. so auto detection would probably work right for you
[17:01] <Vorbote> asac: in fact I always set my desktop monitor to VRGB or VBGR, it tends to swing aither/or with each new version of freetype.
[17:02] <Vorbote> asac: right now it is set to VBGR
[17:02] <CoJaBo-Aztec> I had some trouble with packages on 64bit Hardy, but it wouldn't hurt to try again with this version.
[17:02] <asac> Vorbote: well. maybe grayscale is really better for you
[17:02] <theron> thiebaude: just installed latest 9.04 server install on pair of DL 380s to play around with Eucalyptus. Still in the install all seems well so far, zero install issues.
[17:02] <thiebaude> kewl
[17:02] <theron> just updating prior to Eucalyptus install right now.
[17:02] <penguin42> eucalyptus?
[17:02] <asac> Vorbote:  you could checkout the gtk and gtk-settings from my ppa and set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/rgba_order to "auto" and see if all is good for you after relogin ;)
[17:02] <Vorbote> asac: It seems so. It had never occurred to me the solution could be that simple.
[17:03] <theron> penguin42: http://www.conrey.org/?p=248
[17:03] <gnomefreak> thiebaude: yes a few but only one for me is needed. If you mean "are there bugs" yes there area lot of them
[17:03] <kane77> what is the default theme in 9.04?
[17:03] <thiebaude> gnomefreak: yea, there are alot of bugs
[17:03] <Vorbote> asac: I'll that out, but not today ;-) I'll let you know though.
[17:03] <gnomefreak> thiebaude: if you need the pC dont upgrade/install 3.04
[17:03] <asac> Vorbote: ok. did gnome-terminal fix the px sizing for you? or also not yet tried ?
[17:04] <thiebaude> im still using 9.04 with a bug or 2
[17:04] <asac> Vorbote: just let me know ;)
[17:04] <penguin42> theron: Can you explain a bit - is it to control existing clouds stuff like EC2 or is it stuff for if you are building a cloud ?
[17:04] <asac> i will stay in this channel for a while i guess ;)
[17:04] <Vorbote> asac: I've installed it but havent tested yet. Give me a sec
[17:04] <thiebaude> a weird thing was my install of 9.04 was aborted after everything was installed
[17:04]  * gnomefreak still cant get used to asac being in here ;)
[17:05] <theron> penguin42:  it's management software for your own internal cloud.  In the default ubuntu install it manages KVM.
[17:05] <thiebaude> there was no kernal reboot
[17:05] <theron> however, the tools are "compatible" with EC2.
[17:05] <theron> I'm installing to see what "compatible" means :D
[17:05] <penguin42> theron: OK
[17:06] <Vorbote> asac: the gnome-terminal in your ppa honors the default settings.
[17:06] <penguin42> theron: Does it use libvirt or similar for kvm stuff?
[17:06] <theron> penguin42: yes.
[17:06] <penguin42> theron: Cool
[17:06] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. it should also do the right thing for everything else ;) (of course this is all only applies if you have selected "use system fonts")
[17:06] <asac> Vorbote: thanks for confirming
[17:06] <Vorbote> asac: my pleasure.
[17:48] <TwoToneLaptop> So, in the real world, what are some of the most exciting improvements in Jaunty in y'all's opinion?
[17:48] <SeveredCross> TwoToneLaptop: notify-osd is lovely.
[17:48] <SeveredCross> I think Jaunty uses kexec for kernel reboots too.
[17:48] <Halow> LOL In the real world.
[17:48] <Halow> Boot time is SO fast.
[17:48] <TwoToneLaptop> haha :-)
[17:49] <TwoToneLaptop> Well I just meant as opposed to a long-winded whatsnew doc, what's most important to you?
[17:49] <SeveredCross> Compiz and X seem to be improved.
[17:49] <SeveredCross> usplash looks much nicer.
[17:49] <c_korn> scilab-5
[17:50] <Vorbote> ext4
[17:55] <theron> in the real world ;) being able to manage clusters of servers with landscape is HUGE.
[17:55] <theron> and there are some nice tweaks during the server install as well.
[18:00] <asraniel> hi there. anybody able to read DVD's with jaunty? i installed libdvdread with that shell script, but it didnt help (all players)
[18:03] <theron> where can I find a package list for what is installed in the "Virtual Machine host" software selection during the install?
[18:03] <theron> server install I mean.
[18:06] <MTecknology> anyone using ovpn in 9.04?
[18:14] <asraniel> seriously, anybody here that can read a dvd film with 9.04 ?
[18:15] <Halow> I've had a little trouble. Installing ubuntu-restricted-extras was what did it.
[18:26] <Volkodav> anybody has small fonts in googleearth 5.011 ?
[18:26] <Volkodav> I tried all possiblr fixes they do not work
[18:35] <crashsystems1> I'm running a backtrace on indicator-applet in hopes that the data will help developers figure out why it sometimes seems to "forget" that Pidgin exists. Of course, this is not happening now that the program has this increased scrutiny on it.
[18:37] <Matir> I recently installed Jaunty on a new (to me) system with an E6750 processor and cpufreq acts as if it is not supported... is this a known issue?
[18:38] <ubuntu___> how can i add a new monitor resolution to jaunty?
[18:39] <crashsystems> dn_ did you check out "Display" in preferences?
[18:39] <dn_> yep, the one i want isn't in there
[18:39] <dn_> i've been running intrepid since october and it was fine but this morning it didn't it wouldn't run 1280x1024
[18:39] <crashsystems> dn_ did you try dragging the monitor you did see in there? sometimes I find that is covers other monitors for some reason.
[18:39] <dn_> i figure nvidia drivers or xserver got updated
[18:40] <dn_> i'm in jaunty live cd atm
[18:40] <dn_> what do you mean crashsystems?
[18:41] <crashsystems> well when you go in there, it shows you your monitor. you can drag monitors around when you are configuring multiple monitors. sometimes I find that the rectangle representing my laptop monitor covers the rectangle representing the external display.
[18:41] <dn_> i only have one monitor
[18:46] <teethdood> the screen resolution app in Pref is gone!
[18:46] <crashsystems> teethdood it was renamed to "display"
[18:47] <Halow> :O What's with all this renaming things. It's going to break all kinds of how-tos. =(
[18:47] <penguin42> makes sense to name stuff that's obvious
[18:48] <Halow> Sessions was a little less than obvious, but Screen Resolution was pretty self explanatory.
[18:48] <teethdood> son of a gun...display it is
[18:49] <penguin42> resolution is a bit tech for new users possibly - especially if you can just say 'display'
[18:49] <penguin42> no word to use two words when you can use one obvious one
[18:50] <teethdood> "display" isn't very specific... display could be taken to mean modifying how everything looks, like appearances
[18:50] <penguin42> true
[18:51] <crashsystems> also, "display" contains more than just screen resolution settings
[18:51] <teethdood> speaking of which, why can't them both be rolled into one
[18:53]  * penguin42 hasn't seen a good way to set the resolution etc of the login screen - is there anything to do the same tweaking as for once a user has logged in?
[19:10] <Vorbote> asac; OK, I was wondering why I didn't see the gtk update from your ppa. There is a more recent patchset in the main repo.
[19:12] <Vorbote> asac: soooo, downgrading would be painful... Can you push a patched set to you PPA? I'll test it.
[19:16] <asac> Vorbote: hmm. ok
[19:17] <Vorbote> asac: And don't worry I know where to find you ;-)
[19:21] <asac> Vorbote: pushed gtk+2.0_2.16.0-1ubuntu2.asac1_source.changes
[19:21] <asac> probably avail in 1 or two h
[19:22] <Vorbote> asac: OK. In the meantime I have to fix this weird problem with dpkg giving me a segmentation fault. Sigh.
[19:23] <asac> heh
[19:24] <Vorbote> asac: no dice. Reinstalling is the word :-)
[19:24] <Vorbote> brb
[19:25] <asac> heh
[19:25] <daftykins> what's the recommended advice for the /etc/checkbox.d/checkbox.ini config file prompt during an upgrade on a fresh install of jaunty?
[19:26] <daftykins> "Keep the local version currently installed" is highlighted, but i figure "install the package maintainer's version" makes more sense
[19:28] <janito> daftykins, the last one
[19:28] <daftykins> that i type?
[19:28] <daftykins> *typed
[19:29] <daftykins> or "start a new shell to examine the situation" ? ^_^
[19:29] <Cycom> ok, so I guess EXT4 isn't really ready yet.
[19:29] <Cycom> because I just lost my entire /home. XD
[19:30] <daftykins> lol
[19:30] <daftykins> i'm installing in a virtual machine with EXT4
[19:31] <Cycom> yeah, I'm going to reinstall my whole OS now. because...well, my root is ext4, and I just don't want to have to reinstall when I need the system.
[19:32] <Cycom> there's no real way to downgrade, right?
[19:32] <user___> n
[19:36] <daftykins> whooooooa at the default gnome-terminal font
[19:36] <janito> Cycom, have you reported your problem on launchpad ?
[19:38] <janito> there are some know issues with ext4, well, actually not ext4 specific, but how some applications deal with file writes, but I really don't see how that would wipe /home
[19:41] <brad__> hi, 9.04 kernel panics when I boot from the live cd
[19:41] <brad__> is there anything I can do to debug it?
[19:41] <brad__> I tried different boot options, and very little has worked
[19:42] <penguin42> brad_: What error do you see
[19:43] <brad__> blinking leds
[19:43] <brad__> and mouse and keyboard are frozen
[19:43] <brad__> it panics after X is loaded
[19:44] <brad__> 8.04 was the last version of Ubuntu I could boot and install on this machine
[19:44] <Cycom> janito: not yet, but you can be sure I will.
[19:45] <Cycom> janito: it ran an fsck on reboot that didn't work automagically
[19:45] <janito> :\
[19:45] <Cycom> it couldn't mount the FS, and couldn't find the journal.
[19:45] <penguin42> brad__: Hmm that's nasty - what graphics card have you got - anything unusual about your machine?
[19:45] <yow|x2> brad__ - try using some kernel wildcards like noacpi etc, also try safe graphics mode
[19:46] <Cycom> I ran fsck manually with -y (stupid, probably, but I didn't really care) and then recreated the journal
[19:46] <brad__> I tried noacpi
[19:46] <Cycom> lost-and-found was full of files, and the FS contained all 147gb, but none of the files were named. kinda defeats the purpose, no?
[19:46] <brad__> I tried xforcevesa
[19:47] <penguin42> brad_: How about the alternate CD - can you get it to boot and install OK without X?
[19:47] <yow|x2> 32 or 64 brad__ ? also is it alpha 6?
[19:47] <brad__> penguin42: I haven't tried. It is a 32bit
[19:47] <brad__> alpha 6, yes
[19:48] <brad__> 8.10 has the same problem
[19:48] <penguin42> brad_: I'd see if you can get it installed OK without X for two reasons; 1) If it works then it's likely X related and 2) if it doesn't it's normally easier to see the errors without X in the way
[19:48] <brad__> if it was graphics related, shouldn't xforcevesa prevent that?
[19:49] <brad__> how do I tell what video driver 8.04 is using?
[19:49] <yow|x2> laptop or desktop brad__ ? sorry if i missed that part
[19:49] <brad__> desktop
[19:49] <penguin42> brad__: Do you know what graphics hardware you have?
[19:49] <thiebaude> brad__: do you have intel graphics
[19:50] <brad__> I think so
[19:50] <brad__> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2a08 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at cfe80000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K] I/O ports at b800 [size=8] Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[19:50] <brad__>  Memor at cfe40000 (320-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K] Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
[19:51] <thiebaude> bug 304871
[19:51] <penguin42> but i945g works OK for me?
[19:51] <penguin42> I guess only some people hit it
[19:51] <brad__> can I boot the live cd without booting into x?
[19:51] <yow|x2> im using intel also and mine works
[19:51] <bromic94> hello is the tool to move wobi installs to native goig to be working in 9.04?
[19:51] <thiebaude> i think it mainly the 8 series
[19:52] <thiebaude> i815 i815 845g and so on
[19:52]  * penguin42 is 945
[19:52] <brad__> so, does this bug cause a kernel panic?
[19:52] <thiebaude> mine of course was affected by the bug-i810
[19:52] <brad__> it seems to be effecting 8.10 too
[19:53] <brad__> at least for me
[19:53] <bromic94> brad__: what issue with 8.10
[19:53] <bromic94> i can try to replicate it?
[19:53] <thiebaude> brad__: it doesn't boot out of x, doesn't even get to a login prompt
[19:53] <brad__> I get the same behavior
[19:53] <penguin42> brad__: I'd be tempted to wonder if a BIOS upgrade would help you?
[19:53] <brad__> I get an X background
[19:53] <brad__> and a mouse cursor
[19:53] <brad__> But then the kernel panics, and the leds blink, everything freezes
[19:53] <thiebaude> i running 9.04 with no problmems but small fonts, brad__
[19:53] <brad__> in both 8.10 and 9.04
[19:54] <yow|x2> what about trying xubuntu just to see if its gnome related brad__ ?
[19:54] <brad__> hmmm, even if it was gnome related, would that be able to panic the kernel?
[19:54] <yow|x2> sorry, i meant related to the gnome build.
[19:54] <thiebaude> brad__:  this is the first time i had problems with alpa's, i've been upgrading since 6.06
[19:55] <brad__> well, 8.10 and 9.04 are the first releases of ubuntu that panic on this machine
[19:55] <brad__> 8.04 is booted and installed, and I am using it now
[19:55] <brad__> so I think it is kernel related
[19:55] <penguin42> bard__: If the X drivers screw up it can kill the kernel; and if Gnome/compiz tries to do something like heavy 3D it could trigger a bug more than something simple - but as I say I'd be surprised
[19:55] <brad__> leds blinking indicate a panic, I just wish it would tell me what is wrong
[19:55] <thiebaude> brad__: did you edit your xorg.conf file
[19:55] <bromic94> is there any way i can upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 now?
[19:56] <brad__> shouldn't xforcevesa use the lowest common denominator?
[19:56] <penguin42> bromic94: update-manager -d
[19:56] <brad__> I am getting the panic on the livecd
[19:56] <brad__> basically the installer cd
[19:56] <brad__> even when I use xforcevesa, it still panics
[19:56] <brad__> when I try noacpi, still panics
[19:57] <brad__> when I try pci=noacpi, still panics
[19:57] <brad__> I tried disabling hyperthreading in bios, still panics
[19:57] <brad__> I tried nosmp, still panics
[19:57] <penguin42> brad__: Tell me a bit more about your machine - what hardware?
[19:57] <thiebaude> brad__: in xorg.conf change the option section to "DRI" "True"
[19:57] <brad__> I can't on the livecd
[19:57] <thiebaude> darn
[19:57] <yow|x2> boot to runlevel 3 and then change it
[19:57] <brad__> penguin42: do you want me to dump some kind of sys info?
[19:57] <brad__> yow|x2: how is the best way to do that?
[19:58] <bromic94> penguin42: how big is the upgrade do u know off hand?
[19:58] <penguin42> brad__: can you put the output of lspci -v  and dmidecode (as root) somewhere?
[19:58] <brad__> yes
[19:58] <yow|x2> add linux3 to the kernel line, iirc, i will double check though
[19:58] <penguin42> bromic94: ~600MB I think
[19:58] <penguin42> bromic94: But take care - it's still Alpha, it might break something or hurt your cat
[19:58] <bromic94> i thought that was just the install not the upgrade?
[19:58] <bromic94> my cat?
[19:58] <thiebaude> haha penguin42
[19:59] <penguin42> bromic94: You can never tell with an Alpha release
[19:59] <bromic94> true
[19:59] <thiebaude> it's unpredictable
[19:59] <bromic94> i am running it through wobi but yes i know what you  mean
[19:59] <rww> bromic94: most of the packages on your system have to get upgraded. Lots of stuff to download ;)
[19:59] <bromic94> penguin42: what the status of moving wobi installs to native?
[19:59] <thiebaude> now i cant boot into the nwest kernal i got to use the oldest one
[19:59] <thiebaude> its weird
[19:59] <penguin42> bromic94: Dunno - never done any wobi stuff
[19:59] <brad__> penguin42: can I message it to you?
[20:00] <rww> fyi, it's "wubi"
[20:00] <penguin42> brad: Put it here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[20:00] <bromic94> anyone have any idea?
[20:00] <bromic94> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9246/
[20:00] <brad__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/135050/
[20:00] <bromic94> penguin42: that discusses it
[20:01] <bromic94> though it would be in 9.04 like it states
[20:01] <brad__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/135051/
[20:02] <yow|x2> brad__ i cant seem to find it anywhere right now of course, but im pretty sure its linux 3
[20:02] <brad__> as a kernel boot option?
[20:02] <yow|x2> yeah, just edit the line in grub and add that to the line
[20:03] <brad__> linux space 3 or linux3?
[20:04] <yow|x2> with a space but actually i just checked my grub and you can use single instead (take out quiet and splash)
[20:04] <yow|x2> so the end should be ro single
[20:04] <brad__> ah, ok
[20:04] <yow|x2> instead of ro quiet splash
[20:04] <brad__> boot into single user mode
[20:04] <yow|x2> yes
[20:04] <brad__> also what is the -- do?
[20:04] <asraniel> hi there. i installed everything that is needed to read dvd in jaunty, but it does not work. seems like it can't decrypt the dvd (even though i installed libdvdcss). anybody else has this problem?
[20:04] <brad__> what does the -- do?
[20:05] <yow|x2> what -- ?
[20:05] <brad__> on the livecd
[20:05] <brad__> it specifies quiet and splash and --
[20:06] <yow|x2> i dont recall seeing that
[20:06] <penguin42> brad__: I can't see anything particularly odd about your machine
[20:06] <bromic94> asraniel: know how to do that in 8.10?
[20:06] <bromic94> do you guys know when in april 9.04 will be released
[20:06] <thiebaude> bromic94: im not sure about april 26
[20:06] <rww> bromic94: probably April 23rd, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[20:07] <thiebaude> my bad
[20:07] <funkyHat> Are there any nightly live CDs, I just installed alpha 6 and then did a partial upgrade with update-manager and it seems to have fried itself
[20:07] <funkyHat> ?
[20:07] <asraniel> bromic94: yes, worked like a charm since i'm using linux, thats why i'm so confused now (usualy i just have to execute that shell script that downloads the .deb and installs it)
[20:08] <bromic94> asraniel: i just ran that in 8.10 and it does not work
[20:09] <asraniel> bromic94: ah i see, usually always worked for me
[20:09] <brad__> if I boot to single user mode on the live cd, and I sort of try stress testing the kernel with different things, how do I continue the regular live cd boot process, just type exit?
[20:10] <brad__> also what will DRI "true" do in the xorg.conf?
[20:10] <yow|x2> you would reboot or start x from there
[20:10] <yow|x2> that uses dri instead of glx
[20:10] <brad__> remember, I will be running from livecd
[20:10] <brad__> trying to figure out what is causing the problem
[20:10] <brad__> did 8.04 use dri instead of glx?
[20:10] <thiebaude> brad__: someone in lauchpad suggested i try it and after i installed 9.04 i was able to log into 9.04
[20:11] <thiebaude> i was taking a big risk
[20:11] <yow|x2> you dont have antivirus in your bios enabled do you brad__ ? some come with that
[20:11] <brad__> nah, if I did, 8.04 would fail too
[20:11] <brad__> I tried disabling XD too
[20:11] <brad__> hyperthreading, anything I thought might cause problems, with no success
[20:11] <brad__> 8.04 boots and installs, 8.10/9.04 refuse
[20:11] <thiebaude> brad__: see,  i dont know if that will work for you
[20:12] <brad__> ahh
[20:12] <brad__> I think booting without X will make it easier to tell if X is the problem
[20:12] <yow|x2> what i would do is add just about every kernel param i could disabling pretty much everything non essential brad__
[20:12] <brad__> it does panic after X starts
[20:12] <brad__> I tried nearly everyone I saw
[20:12] <thiebaude> it sure did before
[20:12] <yow|x2> also check dmesg | tail once it boots
[20:12] <brad__> noacpi, noapic, nolapic, nosmp
[20:12] <brad__> pci=noacpi
[20:12] <yow|x2> no usb
[20:12] <brad__> well, I couldn't check dmesg with the normal boot
[20:13] <brad__> but if I boot to single user, I should be able to
[20:13] <yow|x2> right, but you can with single mode
[20:13] <brad__> that is, if it doesn't panic
[20:13] <yow|x2> yup
[20:13] <brad__> that is probably the best advice I've heard
[20:13] <brad__> :)
[20:13] <penguin42> brad__: The difficulty is always that once in X you can't see the boot messages
[20:13] <brad__> but even if it is X, that really leaves me puzzled
[20:13] <brad__> well, I could control+alt+f1 or whatever
[20:13] <brad__> but it panics before I can do that
[20:13] <thiebaude> yup
[20:14] <brad__> and since it is livecd, it has no place to dump panic info
[20:14] <penguin42> brad__: If you can get it running without X started then start just the X server (X: on it's own) and see if that kills it, then you might have a chance
[20:15] <brad__> I mean, now that I think about it, there is a very high probability that X is panicing it somehow
[20:15] <brad__> but I wonder why
[20:15] <brad__> it doesn't seem to have a problem till X boots
[20:15] <penguin42> brad__: My guess would be a BIOS screwup with the setup of the video memory - but that's just a guess
[20:15] <brad__> and even with xforcevesa, it still craps out
[20:16] <brad__> and even weirder is that 8.04 is fine
[20:16] <knittl> shouldn't the notifictions be half-opaque/transparent?
[20:16] <penguin42> brad__: The other possibility is that since it's starting a full Gnome session that is doing some other probing/proding that actually kills it
[20:16] <yow|x2> you dont have swollen transistors on your motherboard do you brad__ ? ;)
[20:16] <brad__> not that 8.04 seems to know or care about
[20:16] <brad__> why would 8.10/9.04 all of a sudden start caring?
[20:16] <brad__> hehehe
[20:17] <brad__> pc hardware so sucks ass
[20:17] <thiebaude> lol
[20:17] <penguin42> dunno
[20:17] <penguin42> brad__: Well that's why I suggest looking for a BIOS upgrade
[20:17] <brad__> single user mode is probably the best option
[20:18] <brad__> till I can figure out wtf is going on with X
[20:18] <brad__> booting X without GNOME is the next logical step after that
[20:18] <brad__> to see if GNOME might be the cause
[20:18] <penguin42> possibility - although I prefer to have multiple consoles to play with
[20:18] <brad__> is there another runlevel that has multiple consoles
[20:18] <brad__> but won't boot X?
[20:18] <penguin42> 2 normally
[20:19] <brad__> I could use screen
[20:19] <penguin42> yeh but I'm thinking more of being able to ctrl-alt-f1 etc
[20:19] <brad__> my other option might be to try to install from USB
[20:19] <brad__> maybe if it panics from USB, it can write log files or something for debugging
[20:20] <penguin42> only if you are lucky - one thing you can do is tell the kernel to send console to a remote machine over the network that sometimes helps
[20:21] <penguin42> bard__: Anyway, see if you can get to a shell - if you can then I'd try starting just the X server   (/usr/X11/bin/X ) and if that's OK switch back to the console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then from there try starting a gnome session on that X server and see if it kills it?
[20:21] <brad__> hmm
[20:25] <knitt1> i hate disconnects …
[20:26] <knitt1> shouldn't the nofity popups be 90% transparent?
[20:26] <knitt1> and 10% on mouseover? here it is 100/0
[20:26] <penguin42> hmm I think that's also what I see
[20:26]  * penguin42 hadn't realised they should be anything else - although the mouse over behaviour felt odd
[20:27] <Halow> Now that you mention it... I hadn't realized it should've been different either.
[20:28] <dtchen> for those of you using the PA fixes, i've refreshed the kernel
[20:28] <Vorbote> Wow, the screen color and menu configuration is a great touch of style. I'd forgotten how to write screenrcs by the end of last century :-P
[20:29] <knitt1> penguin42: Halow: you talking to me? :)
[20:29] <Halow> knitt1:  Oh. Yes. :)
[20:30] <penguin42> knitt1: Yeh!
[20:30] <knitt1> k xD, so i'm the only one to realize it on first startup? ^^
[20:30] <penguin42> well there may be others
[20:31] <knitt1> they are not talking to me … ergo not existing
[20:34] <Dillizar> is there a torrent or just FTP
[20:34] <Halow> To download the ISO? There are both.
[20:35] <Dillizar> yes
[20:35] <Dillizar> where can i find the torrent
[20:37] <penguin42> can someone just try something to see if it's just me - open openoffice.org presentations and at the wizard select 'from template' and tell me how long it takes to acknowledge your click?
[20:39] <Vorbote> penguin42: It is slow. I guess it is caching the template previews.
[20:41] <rom1v> hi
[20:43] <teethdood> penguin42: mine seems quick, less than 1 sec
[20:43] <penguin42> Vorbote: How long would you say?
[20:43] <penguin42> teethdood: Weird!
[20:44] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904 with the last workaround (fix) for compiz/nvidia will be included in jaunty
[20:44] <rom1v> ?
[20:45] <Vorbote> penguin42: about 4 seconds in this box (which is definitly not fast, just snappy enough) and then about 4-6 seconds when changing templates, I guess generating the preview.
[20:46] <Vorbote> penguin42: it feels like old maple syrup not quite molasses.
[20:47] <penguin42> Vorbote: Thanks
[20:48] <penguin42> Vorbote: When I tried it a few minutes ago it took many 10s of seconds, and now it's reasonably happy
[20:49] <Vorbote> penguin42: I'm smelling a problem with memory management but I don't know where to point fingers yet. I', under the impression the X server is to blame.
[20:50] <penguin42> Vorbote: There's certainly something odd
[20:51] <Vorbote> penguin42: hah! According to top even firefox using less cpu when idle.
[20:51] <penguin42> well I'm OK with it not using much CPU as long as it does something
[20:52] <Vorbote> penguin42: considering I'm using Xorg radeon driver I can't blame it on a binary blob
[20:52] <penguin42> I'm on Intel so neither of us can blame it on the driver
[20:53] <Vorbote> penguin42: If you have compiz enabled.... I disabled it and enabled metacity's compositor instead. That stopped most of the X server hard lockups.
[20:53] <penguin42> nope, don't have compiz
[20:57] <penguin42> oh dear
[20:57] <penguin42> oh dear
[20:58] <penguin42> so if one of your openoffice presnentations was opened from a url and is listed in your 'open existing presentations' it goes off to the website to generate a preview when ever you click 'open existing presentation'
[20:58] <penguin42> (and blocks while doing it)
[21:00] <penguin42> how many people would regard that as a security issue - I wouldn't expect it to go off to the web when I clicked open existing
[21:00] <SiDi> Hello
[21:00] <penguin42> hi
[21:00] <SiDi> Is it normal that the ubuntu notifications keep spawning in top right of the screen regardless of the gconf settings ?
[21:01] <Halow> Vile things, aren't they? ;) Can we actually turn them off?
[21:01] <Vorbote> Why doesn't that surprise me? Well, I see OOo uses libneon27. I thought that would support asynchronous connections already.
[21:02] <penguin42> what's libneon?
[21:03] <Halow> SiDi: As far as I'm aware, there are plugins in some of the programs using the notifications with which you can turn them off (or at least filter which you get). I'm not sure if there's a way to turn them all off, unless you count uninstalling it, which I haven't tried.
[21:04] <Vorbote> penguin42: libneon is the http/webdav reference library written by the WebDAV group.
[21:05] <penguin42> ah ok
[21:06] <SiDi> Halow: what i mean is, we're meant to have a setting in gconf to chose in which corner they spawn
[21:06] <jldugger> sigh
[21:06] <SiDi> Halow: and at the moment, whatever it is, they keep spawning on top right
[21:06] <jldugger> looks like ubuntu isn't in the google summer of code (again)
[21:07] <Halow> Oh. I had read that they always spawn up there. I hadn't even thought of messing with it.
[21:10]  * penguin42 reopens #157860
[21:21] <hudnix> Are other people having the problem of firefox not running flashplayer even though it's installed? Or is it just me?
[21:22] <Volkodav> what version  of ff ?
[21:22] <hudnix> 3.0.7
[21:23] <mib_kqwjpw> hudnix: can u try FF 3.5 ?
[21:23] <hudnix> sure? Is there a package, or do I get it from the mozilla site?
[21:23] <penguin42> hudnix: If you quit and restart ff does it help?
[21:24] <hudnix> penguin42: no, it just doesn't register the plugin at all and always puts up the bar that says that additional plugins are required.
[21:24] <penguin42> hudnix: OK, is this after an upgrade to jaunty? Are you 32 bit or 64?
[21:24] <mib_kqwjpw> hudnix: everything from archive
[21:25] <mib_kqwjpw> or maybe oficial teams ppa
[21:25] <hudnix> 32 bit, fresh upgrade from Intrepid.
[21:26] <penguin42> hudnix: Hmm ok, I'm 64 bit so it's a bit different - but after upgrade I had the same problem and fixed it by removing flashplugin-nonfree and reinstalling it
[21:26] <hudnix> penguin42: I did that too and it didn't help :(
[21:26]  * Vorbote will be brb
[21:26] <penguin42> hudnix :-(
[21:26] <hudnix> I'll try that one more time, then go to ff 3.5
[21:27] <mib_kqwjpw> hudnix: please go to #ubuntu-mozillateam and try to get help there!
[21:27] <hudnix> mib_kqwjpw: ok, will do.
[21:27] <mib_kqwjpw> unfortunatly at this time the # is quiet so u wont get much help right away
[21:35] <legodude> are there known problems with kde settings and gtk apps?
[21:36] <legodude> I;m using kubuntu, and trying to apply my kde theme to gtk apps
[21:36] <penguin42> that's always been very touchy
[21:36] <legodude> but the radiobox keeps switching back
[21:36] <penguin42> (for many years)
[21:36] <legodude> ahh, worked fine in 8.10 for me
[21:37] <legodude> the switching back is a known problem?
[21:38] <penguin42> legodude: I don't know - I just remember years ago it tended to make Gnome apps a bit touchy
[21:38] <hudnix> uninstalling and re-installing flashplugin-nonfree did it. This time I did a complete removal and I think that made the difference.
[21:39] <penguin42> hudnix: Nod
[21:40] <hudnix> mib_kqwjpw: Did you mean FF 3.1 instead of 3.5?
[21:45] <mib_kqwjpw> hudnix: 3.5
[21:45] <mib_kqwjpw> it was renamded this week
[21:45] <mib_kqwjpw> maybe its still not on archive
[21:46] <hudnix> yes, still 3.1 in the archive
[21:47] <mib_kqwjpw> hudnix: try mozilla team PPA or daily ppa like i do
[21:47] <hudnix> mib_kqwjpw: ok
[21:49] <Vorbote> asac: I just installed your gtk libraries, rebooted and set up rgba_order to auto. Subpixel rendering looks nice! I'm attaching a screenshot http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1927/rgbaorderingautograysca.png
[21:49] <Vorbote> asac: You'll notice that the dialog shows as if rgb was enabled.
[21:51] <legodude> and nekomuk is totally broken?
[21:54] <rom1v> hi
[21:54] <rom1v> I have a problem with apt in jaunty alpha
[21:55] <rom1v> dpkg: syntaxical error in /var/lib/dpkg/available near line 24315…
[21:55] <andersk> Yeah, uh, that sounds bad.  Does it go away after `apt-get update`?
[21:55] <rom1v> champ « Depends », référence à « libasound2 » : version contenant « ) »
[21:55] <rom1v> Depends: openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b14-1.4.1-0ubuntu4), libasound2 (>> 1.ursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3)
[21:56] <rom1v> there is a problem after libasound2
[21:56] <rom1v> in that file
[21:56] <rom1v> no :(
[21:56] <andersk> If `apt-get update` doesn't fix it, try `dpkg --clear-avail; apt-get update`
[21:57] <rom1v> \o/
[21:57] <rom1v> thank you
[21:58] <Vorbote> /memo asac it seems you are not around. I've tested the auto setting and it seems to work fine. Check this screenshot: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1927/rgbaorderingautograysca.png
[21:58] <dtchen> Vorbote: right, see http://identi.ca/notice/2926822
[21:59]  * Vorbote forgot how to send memos, *blush*
[22:07] <DanaG> I wonder what's making my boot take as long as it does.
[22:07]  * DanaG posts bootchart...
[22:09] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/
[22:10] <mib_565zop> DanaG: resume is worse
[22:10] <mib_565zop> even with compression
[22:10] <mib_565zop> and it only works 7 out of 10
[22:10] <mib_565zop> the other 3 require u to reboot, after the resume was done
[22:11] <mib_565zop> cwillu: do u think we can improve that anyway?
[22:11] <rom1v> andersk
[22:11] <rom1v> are you there?
[22:12] <rom1v> thank you for your answer on launchpad.net about the problem you make me resolve :)
[22:13] <legodude> am I the only one with tons of nepomukservicestub crashes?
[22:13] <legodude> every time I log in
[22:13] <rom1v> I have another one : I upgraded compiz-fusion-plugin-main from your ppa, but nothing new in ccsm
[22:13] <rom1v> in solution, I don't have any checkbox "force synchronization between X and GLX"
[22:13] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/EliteBook-jaunty-20090321-1.png
[22:13] <DanaG> Why is there a 5-second sleep in resume?
[22:13] <DanaG> It sits there for 5 seconds or so, doing NOTHING.
[22:14] <DanaG> That's rather wasted time.
[22:14] <mib_565zop> DanaG: how are u checking bootchars for resume?
[22:15] <DanaG> I'm not sure what it's doing there, actually.
[22:15] <penguin42> waiting for some hardware?
[22:16] <DanaG> With an explicit 'sleep'?  Seems odd to me.
[22:16] <andersk> rom1v: I'm here now.
[22:16] <DanaG> oh, and what's with the 'find' that vboxdrv uses?
[22:16] <DanaG> That strikes me as also wasteful.  =þ
[22:16] <rom1v> :)
[22:16] <mib_565zop> DanaG: by the waay, how do i generate the bootchart images?
[22:17] <mib_565zop> now i olny have tars
[22:17] <DanaG> bootchart-java
[22:17] <penguin42> DanaG: I'm not sure, but I think there are cases where you do have to give things like discs a few seconds to wake up
[22:17] <rom1v> I upgraded compiz-fusion-plugin-main from your ppa, but nothing new in ccsm, in workaround, I don't have any checkbox "force synchronization between X and GLX"
[22:17] <andersk> rom1v: It should be under the "Fix screen updates in XGL with fglrx." checkbox in the Workarounds section of ccsm.
[22:17] <mib_565zop> thanks
[22:17] <DanaG> there's a pybootchartgui, but it truncates the right side.
[22:17] <janito> I remember reading somewhere about a sleep for the hardware to "settle down"
[22:17] <DanaG> The java one works better.
[22:17] <andersk> Hmm.
[22:18] <andersk> rom1v: Is there any reference to force_glx_sync in your /usr/share/gconf/schemas/compiz-workarounds.schemas?

[22:18] <rom1v>       <applyto>/apps/compiz/plugins/workarounds/allscreens/options/force_glx_sync</applyto>
[22:19] <rom1v> andersk, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1237673975.png
[22:20] <mib_565zop> DanaG: what parameters do those both packages take? filename?
[22:20] <andersk> rom1v: try `sudo dpkg --configure compiz-fusion-plugins-main`?
[22:21] <rom1v> it gives an error, that I will translate :
[22:21] <DanaG> bootchart-java makes a thingy for you on boot.
[22:21] <rom1v> dpkg: error of handling of compiz-fusion-plugins-main (--configure) : compiz-fusion-plugins-main is already installed and configured. Some errors have been encounered during execution
[22:22] <rom1v> (it says it's already installed and configured…)
[22:22] <andersk> Oh right.  This should work better: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure compiz-fusion-plugins-main`
[22:22] <rom1v> ok, no error, but no new checkbox :(
[22:23] <rom1v> don't worry, I will enable it in gconf-editor
[22:23] <rom1v> force_glx_sync
[22:23] <andersk> Hmm.  Did you try logging out and logging in again?
[22:23] <mib_565zop> DanaG: so will it generate png for all the previous files?
[22:23] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[22:23] <DanaG> man bootchart.
[22:24] <mib_565zop> nothing there
[22:24] <rom1v> I try, be right back
[22:24] <penguin42> DanaG: To me it looks like your gdmgreeter and gdm are using a fair chunk of CPU during startup from that image - do you have a lot of users or something odd like htat?
[22:25] <mib_565zop> ahh
[22:25] <rom1v> andersk, I logout then login, no new checkbox :(
[22:25] <mib_565zop> DanaG: bootchar -o ./*
[22:25] <rom1v> in cssm (but there is force_glx_sync is in gconf-editor)
[22:25] <rom1v> s/cssm/ccsm
[22:28] <rom1v> andersk, unfortunately, it doesn't change anything in openoffice :(
[22:28] <rom1v> some buttons continue to disappear when I rollover
[22:28] <andersk> rom1v: I don't really know how ccsm works, but I would expect that if you see the option in gconf and you enable it there, that should work too.
[22:28] <andersk> Maybe you need to restart compiz.
[22:28] <rom1v> I enabled the option then logout/login
[22:28] <rom1v> the option is still enabled
[22:28] <rom1v> and I still have problems in openoffice :(
[22:29] <andersk> Huh.
[22:30] <rom1v> look: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1237674594.png
[22:30] <rom1v> When I rollover a button, sometimes it disappears (totally or partially)
[22:31] <whileimhere> I was wondering how the new version of Ubuntu is coming along for those brave souls who have pre-tested it.
[22:31] <penguin42> whileimhere: Not too bad, a few problems here and there
[22:31] <maco> whileimhere: runs dandy
[22:32] <maco> havent come across anything show-stopper
[22:32] <whileimhere> I have a ton of the repo already installed from 8.10 if I do the upgrade will it take forever to download?
[22:32] <penguin42> about 600MB or so so depending how fast your net link is, and about half an hour ot install
[22:33] <maco> you mean you installed a TON of stuff in intrepid?
[22:33] <whileimhere> yes
[22:33] <maco> if so, yeah, itll have to upgrade everything you installed
[22:33] <andersk> rom1v: Hmm, I can't seem to reproduce that particular problem either with or without the workaround enabled, so I'm not sure how to figure out whether it's enabled for you.
[22:33] <whileimhere> That is what I mean.
[22:33] <janito> it should take as much as it took to install that stuff :)
[22:33] <maco> so if there's a bunch you dont use, uninstall it before upgrading
[22:33] <maco> then you can avoid it upgrading the stuff you dont want anyway
[22:33] <DasEi> ...jaunty coming down here today...
[22:33]  * DanaG just plain can't use compiz anyway.  
[22:33] <whileimhere> Ahh that is what I was wondering
[22:33] <rom1v> andersk, the problem occurs as before I added your ppa : when performance level is 0 in powermizer
[22:33] <janito> if you want the stuff upgraded :P
[22:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[22:33] <whileimhere> Than forever!
[22:33] <DanaG> It's danged well not fixed; what should I mark the bug?
[22:33] <DanaG> New, or what?
[22:34] <rom1v> sometimes, not only the buttons are not refreshed, sometimes it's big parts of text
[22:34] <rom1v> it makes openoffice unusable
[22:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and nvidia 96 drivers just plain segfault Xorg.
[22:34] <whileimhere> whats the big advance in the newest version
[22:35] <GetDebsAutomat> hello c_korn
[22:36] <GetDebsAutomat> How are you today ?
[22:36] <GetDebsAutomat> fine. thanks
[22:38] <rww> What's the command to restart pulseaudio?
[22:38] <rom1v> andersk, the refresh problem in text still happens (only when powermizer is at level 1 -it's automatic, readable in nvidia-settings-) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1237675080.png
[22:38] <rom1v> look at the top left of the text, there is a refresh problem
[22:38] <rom1v> and after the column of 'y'
[22:39] <andersk> Sure, that certainly looks like the same bug.  I assume it goes away if you move the window.
[22:39] <rom1v> yes
[22:39] <rom1v> or if I select the text or something
[22:39] <andersk> It's just unclear to me whether the workaround failed to activate or whether it's still broken in spite of the workaround.
[22:39] <rom1v> I hope the first one
[22:40] <DanaG> damned fglrx.
[22:40] <rom1v> it seems to fail to add a checkbox in ccsm, maybe it fails to activate :)
[22:40] <DanaG> But hey, at least the ATI open-source driver rocks.
[22:40] <DanaG> Well, compared to nouveau, at least.
[22:41] <andersk> rom1v: Maybe you could try it in a guest session?  That will give you a clean account to play with, to see if something is weird with your main account.
[22:41] <rom1v> ok I try
[22:43] <rom1v> arf, do you know how to share data between my rom account and the guest account (I need to share wpa key)
[22:43] <DasEi> DanaG: which ati you use ?
[22:43] <andersk> rom1v: right-click on the networkmanager applet in your tray, Edit Connections,
[22:44] <andersk> select your wireless network, Edit, and check Available to all users.
[22:44] <DanaG> Mobility HD3650 (RV635).\
[22:47] <rom1v> arf, but I will have a problem : I need to install nvidia drivers for the guest, no? it doesn't use them and I can't enable compiz
[22:47] <rom1v> with a guest session
[22:47] <andersk> Huh?  The Xorg configuration is system-wide; it uses the same drivers for all accoutns.
[22:48] <mib_565zop> why does Firefox flashes when on full screen, and a Notifications Pops up? damn annoying!
[22:48] <rom1v> that's what I thought... but guest session can't launch compiz
[22:48] <rom1v> while it works with MY session
[22:49] <mib_565zop> rom1v: yeah i noticed that a while ago: no compiz no guest session
[22:51] <DanaG> damned broken, panicky\ fglrx.
[22:51] <rom1v> andersk, your ppa packages this fix : http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1957219&postcount=18
[22:51] <rom1v> ?
[22:53] <andersk> rom1v: No, I didn't revert anything; I just added 46960f12a9d213e5f0e841557e2ed2f7ea18cc79.
[22:54] <andersk> (That poster is confused.  `git revert 55bfd` means to _undo_ 55bfd, not to "revert to 55bfd".)
[22:55] <andersk> Had you previously followed those directions?  Maybe you have your own locally installed workarounds plugin that is overriding the global one, which would explain your problem.
[22:55] <rom1v> I started to follow, but when I "make", it said compiz was not installed
[22:55] <rom1v> (I didn't have compiz-dev installed)
[22:56] <rom1v> then I saw your ppa
[22:56] <rom1v> s/didn't have/haven't/
[22:59] <andersk> The compiz crash in the guest account looks like bug 269120.
[23:09] <shane8002> .
[23:14]  * DanaG wonders when radeon will do power-management.
[23:28] <rom1v> andersk, I will format soon and reinstall
[23:28] <rom1v> I'll retry
[23:28] <rom1v> do you know (just by curiosity) how to keep the /home partition while formating, if it is encrypted (ecryptfs) (I enabled "encrypt" when I installed jaunty)
[23:29] <DanaG> Oh eyah, how would I go about encrypting just one folder?
[23:29] <DanaG> I want it to not show up even automatically at login; I want to manually decrypt it on demand.
[23:29] <DanaG> Perhaps should I just use truecrypt?
[23:29] <DasEi> rom1v : you could back it up while sys still running
[23:30] <rom1v> DanaG, you could use encfs
[23:30] <rom1v> DasEi, yes, but I would like to know how to "keep"
[23:30] <rom1v> and how to make another disk (an external one for example) and make it decrypted on login
[23:31] <rom1v> (as for /home)
[23:31] <DasEi> rom1v : you would have had to have made a seperate /home for that
[23:31] <DanaG> http://xlife.zuavra.net/index.php/66/
[23:31] <rom1v> DanaG, encfs ~/.encrypted ~/decrypted
[23:32] <DanaG> I think I may just use truecrypt.
[23:32] <DasEi> nice proggi
[23:36] <DasEi> jaunty installed in 26min, now rebooting...
[23:38] <DasEi> hey great, screen resolution works out the box
[23:38] <penguin42> wow that is rare!
[23:39] <DasEi> nice new toy, and boots up faster, too I think
[23:40] <crashsystems1> boots up much faster if you use ext4
[23:40] <penguin42> crashsystems1: I'm still wary of ext4 until I let everyone else make sure it works :-)
[23:41] <crashsystems1> I'd not use if it my system crashed often. It does not.
[23:41]  * DanaG DOES use ext4, and still has a boot that seems to have slowed, lately.
[23:41] <DanaG> Perhaps it's time to re-profile.
[23:41] <DasEi> ..system testing..
[23:43] <crashsystems> Right now I'm waiting for Pidgin to disappear from indicator-applet so I can finish this backgrace for bug #345599.
[23:43] <crashsystems> backtrace*
[23:44] <DasEi> 100% in systemtest
[23:45] <crashsystems> things never crash when I want them to, despite my name...
[23:46] <penguin42> crashsystems: Bugs run away and hide when they know you are going to try and understand them
[23:46] <DasEi1> yo, jaunty's pidgin
[23:47] <crashsystems> Jaunty Pidgin?
[23:47] <DasEi> crashsystems: I just installed and played around, will s.. up more now
[23:47] <DasEi1> jaunty
[23:48] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with radeon is the lack of power management.
[23:48] <DanaG> To phrase something like lolcats:  "im in ur video card, eating ur watz"
[23:49] <jscinoz> my biggest gripe with jaunty is lack of a working sudo
[23:50] <crashsystems> ? sudo works just fine in jaunty for me.
[23:50] <jscinoz> mine just doesnt work
[23:50] <jscinoz> after entering the correct password it just exits
[23:50] <jscinoz> without running the command
[23:50] <jscinoz> and i've tried reinstalling the sudo package but that hasnt fixed it
[23:50] <crashsystems> have you checked LP for a bug?
[23:51] <jscinoz> yes
[23:51] <crashsystems> and did you check to see you are in the sudoers file?
[23:51] <penguin42> jscinoz: Hmm works for me - if you do sudo -s   does it work?
[23:51] <jscinoz> crashsystems: yes im there
[23:51] <jscinoz> penguin42: no
[23:52] <penguin42> very odd
[23:52] <crashsystems> make sure "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" is in there, and that you are a member of the admin group
[23:53] <mefisto__> how do you even look at the sudoers file if sudo isn't working?
[23:53] <DanaG> hmm, has 'sudo' been replaced, or something?
[23:54] <rww> DanaG: no
[23:54] <jscinoz> mefisto__: ssh root@localhost with public key login
[23:54] <DasEi> DanaG: nope
[23:54] <DanaG> Or is it not setuid, perhaps?
[23:54] <jscinoz> one sec
[23:54] <jscinoz> nah it is setuid
[23:54] <DanaG> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 131040 2009-02-16 19:24 /usr/bin/sudo
[23:54] <jscinoz> yeah
[23:55] <jscinoz> and the admin line is right, and im in the admin group
[23:55] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps purge and reinstall sudo?
[23:55] <DanaG> As root, of course.
[23:55] <jscinoz> yeah
[23:55] <jscinoz> oen se
[23:55] <jscinoz> sec*
[23:55] <DanaG> my sudo version: Version: 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu3
[23:55] <DanaG> you know the dpkg "force" parameters, right?  Can be very dangerous -- but useful if used carefully.
[23:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my not-actually-fixed bug report... should I re-mark it as new?
[23:56] <mib_565zop> DanaG: i use EncFS
[23:56] <jscinoz> yeah i'm using the force bit so it doesnt remove some other stuff as im gonna reinstall sudo immediately
[23:57] <cwillu> mib_565zop, sorry, did you ask me something?
[23:57] <cwillu> (in the "I'm pretty sure you did, but not sure what the context was" manner) :p
[23:57] <jscinoz> DanaG: still no luck after its reinstalled
[23:57] <jscinoz> same thing, it exits once i get the password correct
[23:58] <cwillu> jscinoz, if you sudo echo foo, does that actually do anything?
[23:59] <jscinoz> cwillu: nope
[23:59] <cwillu> did you pastebin sudoers anywhere already?