[00:39] <yghannam7388> hello everyone, I would like to know if anyone is interested in being a mentor for Google Summer of Code this year. I'd like to do either of two projects: cleaning up preferences and administration; and improving the file/folder sharing experience. I'm willing to do either or both if they are simple enough. I believe they would be important projects to take on because they are two of the most popular ideas on Ubuntu Brainstorm
[00:44] <directhex> i liked the "restore bootloader" suggestion on brainstorm
[00:45] <yghannam7388> that's funny, i just had to restore my bootloader a few minutes ago
[00:48] <yghannam7388> that looks like a good idea. what would a person need to know in order to do that?
[01:27] <mrooney> nhandler: should I just put a comment on that bug asking james_w to confirm that uploading as a native package is fine?
[01:28] <nhandler> mrooney: I've tried pinging him, but haven't gotten a reply. Either add a comment or I'll try and get a hold of him tomorrow. I am also not sure how the version should be handled for this release (see the lintian error for more info)
[02:01] <porthose> nhandler: thank you :)
[03:47] <yghannam7388> directhex: i was looking at ways we can implement the restore bootloader/recovery option on the live cd. Here is what we could do: 1. Copy grub onto livecd (SuperGRubDisk = 4.4MB; we don't need all the extra stuff, but some people might like having all the options. We should ask )
[03:47] <yghannam7388> 2. Add Main Menu entry to boot into Grub recovery
[03:47] <yghannam7388> 3. Menu in Grub : One Linux partion = Auto
[03:47] <yghannam7388>                   Two Linux partion = Manual => Select which partition to edit: Make it obvious => Fedora 10, Ubuntu 8.10, Ubuntu 9.04 instead of /dev/sda2, /dev/sda3, etc.
[03:47] <yghannam7388> 4. Menu select : Back to Main Menu or reboot
[03:47] <yghannam7388> I looked at the SuperGrubDisk code to do the MBR recovery, and it is almost exactly like doing it through a terminal in the live cd. The only difference is we need to allow Grub to boot from the Main Menu, which shouldn't be too hard. We can package it as a binary and use it like memtest86+.
[03:47] <yghannam7388> sorry that came out all messy
[11:45] <bredoto> hia
[11:57] <DktrKranz> wgrant, re bug 338858, do you think it can be prioritized? It could lead to unwanted behaviours.
[12:10] <geser> aren't the build-dependency first installed and later dpkg-buildpackage checks and complains about unfulfilled build-dependencies?
[12:12] <DktrKranz> geser, it should be so, but it usually complains if a build-dependency is lower than specified version, it seems that's no longer the case
[12:13] <wgrant> The build dependencies were never installed - that's the problem.
[12:13] <wgrant> dpkg-buildpackage never entered the stage.
[12:16] <wgrant> I guess the problem could be that it tries to fulfill them and only then checks the versions.
[12:16] <wgrant> Which means if an older version fails to install, it won't have a chance to depwait because it will die before the check.
[12:19] <geser> DktrKranz: the version check is a stage later
[12:19] <geser> look e.g. at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23240499/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.cup_0.11a%2B20060608-1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[12:19] <geser> it installs first all B-D and checks the version later (by dpkg-buildpackage?)
[12:19] <wgrant> Aha, just what I thought.
[12:20] <wgrant> No, it's not dpkg-buildpackage doing that.
[12:21] <wgrant> It's basically another instance of bug #160439, except more specialised.
[12:22] <geser> the comment on that bug is nice :) "next milestone" from 2007 :)
[12:22] <wgrant> Yep!
[12:22] <wgrant> I saw a 'not 1.1.7 - definitely 1.1.8' on a bug that's still open now.
[12:23] <wgrant> Although Soyuz karma (originally targetted for 1.1.7) did get implemented yesterday.
[12:23] <wgrant> The difficulty with 160439 is how to know when to retry them.
[12:23] <wgrant> Although depwaits can't always be retried automatically even now, because of virtual packages.
[12:24] <DktrKranz> wgrant, do you mean I gain karma for doing package uploads?
[12:24] <wgrant> DktrKranz: Only if they're approved via the web UI on edge for now, I believe. But on April 1, yes.
[12:24] <DktrKranz> cool
[12:31] <c_korn> how can I find out which language pack contains the translation of gnome-screenshot?
[12:36] <maxb> Surely it must be one of the gnome ones?
[12:38] <maxb> Of which there are only two (IIUC), so just check them?
[12:38] <c_korn> I searched for gnome-screenshot instead of gnome-utils. so I did not find the right package with dpkg -S
[12:40] <c_korn> btw. what sense does it make to translate the applications twice? I see untranslated string which are translated in the original po files in the upstream tarball
[12:40] <RainCT> uhm.. what's the difference between /usr/share/locale and /usr/share/locale-langpack?
[12:41] <maxb> c_korn: That's unfortunate. I guess the Launchpad Rosetta stuff isn't doing, or hasn't yet, done what it's supposed to on those
[12:51] <ScottK> There's a lot Rosetta doesn't seem to do well.  For Kubuntu if we manage to release with translations that aren't worse than those provided by upstream it will be a major improvement over Intrepid.
[12:57] <c_korn> so practice is not to take the upstream translations because they are supposed to be bad? or does rosetta just grab those translations and put it in one package like language-pack-gnome-de-base so it can be improved if the upstream translations of some apps are bad?
[13:04] <ScottK> I have no idea.  Every time I try to understand it, I end up running away screaming.
[13:05] <ScottK> The Kubuntu problems were due to a number of issues coming together in an unfortunate result, but I don't really have the details.
[13:10] <c_korn> ok :P so I just wait until the language-pack gets updates and hope that the translation will be in there
[13:12] <ScottK> That or look in Rosetta and see if it's correct there.
[13:46] <savvas> is there a channel for the language-packs team?
[13:48] <c_korn> where can I see if it is correct in rosetta?
[13:49] <c_korn> savvas: maybe #ubuntu-translators
[13:50] <savvas> ah wait
[13:50] <savvas> you're asking about the thing I need, language-pack-xx update :)
[13:52] <savvas> it's weird though, el.po for pidgin includes corrections since 2.5.2, but there are problems with el.po in language-pack-el-base in jaunty
[15:42] <yghannam7388> hello everyone, i'm trying to implement the "fix bootloader" idea. so far i've been able to atleast edit the menu on the Ubuntu LiveCD but i can't get grub to load. i've tried copying super grub disk onto the livecd and loading it, and i've tried loading the grub binary located on my ubuntu installation. in order to get the grub binary to work do i need to edit the source and recompile it in order to make it loadable like memt
[17:38]  * Adri2000 is looking for an archive admin
[17:39] <bmm> Hi. I've got a problem with my PPA: a package has been build, no error, but it doesn't show up on the package file list. Orig, dsc, but no .deb. I think it may be a bug. My ppa: https://launchpad.net/~bneijt/+archive/ppa
[17:40] <bmm> The package in question is autotrash ppa4 has no .deb
[17:41] <c_korn> bmm: be patient. now the deb is there
[17:41] <Elbrus> bmm: how long did you wait?
[17:42] <ScottK> bmm: #launchpad is a better place for PPA specific questions.
[17:42] <bmm> c_korn: really? not long, sorry. But as everything said it was published, I thought it should be listed.
[17:42] <bmm> ScottK: ah, of course. Sorry
[17:43] <bmm> Oh, literally a second after I ask it appears
[17:43]  * bmm ashamed
[17:43] <ScottK> bmm: It's no problem.
[17:44] <bmm> Cool, well, thanks everybody!
[18:29] <binarymutant> whats "beta smoke testing" day?
[18:30] <stgraber> it's about doing smoke testing before the beta ISO image testing begins
[18:30] <stgraber> so trying to find as much bug as possible in the installer before the first beta candidates are released for testing
[18:31] <binarymutant> oh okay, thanks
[22:14] <c_korn> I have written some patches for fast-user-switch-applet. I attached them to the proper bug reports and subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors. anything else left to do?
[23:42] <c_korn> some motu still online?
[23:42] <nhandler> o/
[23:45] <Laney> \o
[23:45]  * nhandler goes to dinner
[23:48] <c_korn> I have written some patches for fast-user-switch-applet. I attached them to the proper bug reports and subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors. anything else left to do?
[23:49] <Laney> no
[23:51] <c_korn> ok
[23:52] <c_korn> are there members of ubuntu-main-sponsors also in here? or do they have an own channel?
[23:52] <Laney> they usually hang around in #ubuntu-devel
[23:53] <c_korn> ok, thanks