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fta-rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 578602550 2009-03-21 01:13 ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu4.tar.gz00:16
ftad'oh00:17
BUGabundowhat?00:17
fta578M00:17
BUGabundodoesn't it match?00:17
BUGabundodeb as 24MiBs00:17
fta-rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 534532696 2009-01-27 03:04 ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu3.tar.gz00:17
ftainflation :)00:17
BUGabundo40MiBs source growce00:18
BUGabundoehehehe00:18
BUGabundothere's no cryse in software00:18
fta[ubuntu/jaunty] ia32-libs 2.7ubuntu4 (Waiting for approval)00:23
ftahttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=00:24
BUGabundothey take so long approving stuff00:37
fta[ubuntu/jaunty] ia32-libs 2.7ubuntu4 (Accepted)00:39
BUGabundothat was quick00:39
BUGabundoyou know the right guys00:39
ftai didn't ask anyone, I just dent about it :)00:40
BUGabundoeeheeheheheheheheh00:40
ftadent? dented?00:40
BUGabundogwibber is not logging on again :(00:40
BUGabundostill it took 1h:3000:42
ftahttps://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/crested00:42
ftadamn, it failed00:51
ftai built it several times00:51
BUGabundohehe00:52
ftahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/24168065/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz00:52
ftaoh, ia6400:52
ftanot amd6400:53
BUGabundoLOL00:54
BUGabundothen its up00:54
BUGabundolet me check if in the archive00:54
BUGabundostill getting 3.1 packages00:56
BUGabundobah00:56
BUGabundoI removed it!00:56
BUGabundoFAIL00:56
fta?00:56
BUGabundoits just plain daily 3.500:56
BUGabundoI must go to bed... can't even read anymore00:56
ftaia64 was failing before too, last 3 or 4 versions01:03
ftanot my fault then :)01:04
ftabut noone cares about ia6401:04
BUGabundoyeah01:05
BUGabundohow many enterprises using it?01:05
BUGabundodoes the plataform get any traction?01:06
BUGabundofta : "Mozilla has released Firefox 3.5 Beta 3, the third public development release of the next major upgrade of Mozilla’s web browser. Because the decision to increase the version number from 3.1 to 3.5 to reflect the significant number of new features and improvements came very late in this beta cycle, the installers are labeled as Firefox 3.1 Beta 3."01:12
BUGabundowasn't that supposed to be b4?01:12
ftabeta 3 was still 3.101:32
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gnomefreakBUGabundo: what did you do?13:43
BUGabundowanna read the channel and pvt log?13:45
BUGabundomaybe you can figure it out13:45
BUGabundoI'm just an happy person13:46
BUGabundodon't even care13:46
BUGabundolet ikonia rest and see that I did nothing wrong13:46
BUGabundonow I have to setup the PCs to give my FOSS and Ubuntu class13:46
BUGabundolast one for this semester13:46
BUGabundoping me (in pvt) if you need something13:46
BUGabundodtchen: there's a new kernel coming out that bumps your version!13:47
BUGabundodoes it contain your fix? or should I hold on?13:47
BUGabundoand gnomefreak sorry If I sound a bit ... yeah you know!13:48
gnomefreakBUGabundo: i know no worries13:49
gnomefreaki think i found out why i cant find a tarball for sunbird 1.x, i have to pull it from comm central and im not slear on that yet14:33
gnomefreakasac: bug 309655 is ready for review when you get a few minutes.14:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 309655 in seamonkey "Seamonkey 1.1.14 security upgrade" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30965514:47
asacgnomefreak: dont you have 1.1.15 ?15:04
asacok i will push the jaunt stuff on monday and upload the rest to our security ppa which is the security team staging area15:05
gnomefreakasac: yep its finished i dont have a hardy or intrepid i can test with15:05
gnomefreaki'm waiting for an answer in #launchpad about security targets in PPA15:05
asacgnomefreak: for intrepid you documented the CVEs in commit15:06
asacbut you didnt do that for the other branches15:06
asacany r3eason?15:06
asacgnomefreak: you can upload to the right pocket15:06
asacgnomefreak: e.g.http://paste.ubuntu.com/134886/15:07
asacjust replace ~ubuntu-mozilla-security with ~gnomefreak15:07
gnomefreakthat is bzr commit. it adds the whole changelog entry15:07
asacthen you can push hardy-security to ppa-*-hardy15:07
asacundestood?15:07
asacgnomefreak: right. did you add the CVEs to the other changelogs too?15:08
gnomefreaklooking at pastebin atm15:08
gnomefreakno but i can15:08
asacgnomefreak: please do the same everywhere. e.g. add the CVEs everywhere15:08
gnomefreakoh i can upload to those?15:08
gnomefreakasac: i will15:08
asacgnomefreak: also uncommit your ~jjv commits15:08
asacthose shouldnt be in the bzr log15:08
gnomefreakthey are not in bzr only in PPA15:08
asacgnomefreak: no15:08
asacgnomefreak: you have to replace ~ubuntu-mozilla-security with ~gnomefreak15:09
asacbut using those incoming lines you can uploade without changing changelog to "hardy" from "hardy-security"15:09
gnomefreakah ok but the security stays the same15:09
asacgnomefreak: yes. you just use hardy-security in changelog and upload with the right incoming line (similar to what i pasted, but just adapted for your ppa)15:10
asacsimliar for intrepid-security and so on15:10
asacjaunty has no -security yet, so thats not a problem15:10
gnomefreakso just replace incoming = ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty/15:11
gnomefreakwith ~gnomefreask/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty?15:12
asacyeah15:12
gnomefreakand so on15:12
asacyeah15:12
asacand of course you can change the labels15:12
gnomefreaki thought i was15:12
asace.g.15:12
asacppa-ums-hardy -> ppa-gnomefreak-hardy ;)15:12
asacand then use dput ppa-gnomefreak-hardy15:12
asacor something15:12
gnomefreakoh see i use general gnomefreak15:12
asacgnomefreak: well. you need to suffix it with -hardy -intrepid etc.15:12
asacotherwise you cannot use the special incoming lines on upload15:13
gnomefreak[ppa-gnomefreak]15:13
gnomefreakfqdn = ppa.launchpad.net15:13
gnomefreakincoming = ~gnomefreak/ubuntu/15:13
gnomefreaklogin = anonymous15:13
asacand you cannot use the "-security" in changelog15:13
gnomefreakah ok15:13
asacgnomefreak: right. but that doesnt work for -security in changelog15:13
asacso for uploading security you need a special one for each release15:13
asacbut its definitlyb better than always changing changelog to hardy for the upload ;)15:13
asacgnomefreak: just be careful. if you push the intrepid-security to the hardy-security it will just push that to hardy15:14
gnomefreakok that makes sense. I will fix branches and upload with -security :) and bzr left off the ~jjv as i recall15:14
asacgnomefreak: so think three times before hitting enter15:14
asacyou can even upload with "my-dog-shit-release" to ppa-gnomefreak-hardy and it will get built for hardy15:14
asacso take care that you dont psh everything to hardy or something15:14
gnomefreakcool15:14
asacgnomefreak: well. not so cool15:15
gnomefreakwell yeah i know what you mean15:15
asacif you accidentially push the intrepid package to hardy you will never be able to test your hardy package there again15:15
asacbecause the version is lower15:15
asacso ;) ... take care!15:15
gnomefreakasac: should i leave off the ~jjv# in PPA or just bzr?15:15
asacgnomefreak: just in bzr15:16
gnomefreakok good :)15:16
asacgnomefreak: for uploads you change it locally without committing15:16
asace.g. if i upload to asac i just change changelog to ~asac115:16
asacthen build15:16
asacand after upload15:16
asacbzr revert15:17
asac(so i dont accidentially commit ~asac1 to bzr)15:17
gnomefreakyep thats what i was doing15:17
asacof course you need to remember whats the last one was but that wasnt a problem for me so far ;)15:17
asacgnomefreak: i mean if you do a ~jjv1 ... dont even commit the "UNRELASED" -> "hardy"/"hardy-security"15:18
asackeep it in bzr at UNRELEASED until you do the real upload15:18
asacjust locally for the test upoad15:18
gnomefreakok15:18
asacgnomefreak: actually with the special incoming lines you can even keep it at UNRELEASED ;)15:18
asacsmilar to my-go-shit-release ;)15:18
asacdog15:18
asacsorry if i talk to much. just want to be sure you get it right ;)15:19
gnomefreakno you dont talk too much thanks i will get it right15:20
gnomefreakall the branches are fixed15:33
asacgood15:41
gnomefreaki have this strange feeling im not going to be able to build 64 apps without 64bit proc15:50
gnomefreakthat means flash64 i cant do15:50
asacgnomefreak: you could check out qemu16:07
asacmight be a bit slow but you can even build arm/ppa/sparc i guess16:07
asacppa== hppa16:07
asacQEMU is a fast processor emulator: currently the package supports ARM, CRIS, i386, M68k (ColdFire), MIPS, PowerPC, SH4, SPARc and x86-64 emulation. By using dynamic translation it achieves reasonable speed while being easy to port on new host CPUs. QEMU has two operating modes:16:08
asacso yeah ... it has x86-64 emulation16:08
gnomefreakok i will look into that this week once i get caught up.16:08
gnomefreakshit hardy branch needs to be fixed16:21
gnomefreakok hardy branch is fixed16:26
gnomefreakpushing last fixed package to PPA. i will be gone for a little while until it finishes so i can check mail today i hope16:30
LLStarksyo.17:14
asacLLStarks: whats up?17:16
LLStarksfirefox-3.5 segfaults, but 3.6 doesn't.17:16
asacLLStarks: can you install xul and ffox -dbg packages and get a backtrace?17:17
asacLLStarks: also ... its normal that i segfaults on exit17:17
LLStarksi could install, but i don't know how to do traces.17:17
asacLLStarks: check that there is no ffox 3.1/3.5 process running17:17
LLStarksone sec17:17
LLStarksalso, the xulrunner-1.9.1 umd daily doesn't superseed the jaunty main repo.17:17
asacLLStarks: whats the version of daily?17:18
LLStarkstoday17:18
asacand whats the version of archive ;)?17:18
gnomefreakasac: are we dropping 3.1 from archives since its rename?17:18
asacLLStarks: yeah well. i could have guessed that17:18
asacLLStarks: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l xulrunner-1.9.117:18
LLStarks1.9.1~b3+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu117:19
gnomefreak1.9.1 is above Jauntys version17:19
LLStarksis archive17:19
gnomefreak1.9.1~b4~hg20090320r23864+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  is daily17:19
LLStarksi forced the daily xulrunner-1.9.117:20
asacthat should work17:20
asaci mean wihtout force17:20
asacrun:17:20
asacdpkg --compare-versions "1.9.1~b3+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1" lt "1.9.1~b4~hg20090320r23864+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1" && echo yes.17:20
asacso yes ;)17:21
asacseems ~b4 is higher than ~b317:21
LLStarksthe command does nothing17:21
asacodd17:21
gnomefreakLLStarks: are you sure you have th umd repo enabled?17:22
LLStarksb4 only installs using full-upgrade or synaptic force17:22
asacLLStarks: what shell?17:22
gnomefreaks/th/the17:22
asacLLStarks: yes. thats normal17:22
asacLLStarks: just do a dist-upgrade17:22
asacthats required if names transition17:22
LLStarkslet me get dbg installed17:24
LLStarksbtw.17:29
LLStarksnew fontconfig fixes are beautiful17:29
LLStarkswhat was the problem in the end?17:29
LLStarksasac. okay17:38
gnomefreakasac: GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805e118: NP_GetMIMEDescription  sounds alot like nspluginwrapper des that sound right to you as well?17:53
gnomefreaki thought gnash due to the GCJ but why would you run nspluginwrapper with gnash since it is 64bit anyway17:56
asacLLStarks: a bunch of things ;)18:01
asacLLStarks: i made like 7 incremental uploads ... so just look at the launchpad page18:01
LLStarkshah18:02
asachttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig18:02
LLStarksbut what was the heart of the issue?18:02
asacLLStarks: also we changed default for gnome fonts from 10 (point) to 13.333px18:02
asacthjere are a bunch of apps that dont deal nicely, but in general that should be better18:02
asaciam currently fixing that18:02
LLStarks:318:02
LLStarksi'm ready to do a backtrace btw.18:03
asacLLStarks: the heart of the issue was that there were crappy left overs from old installs and even bad configs shipped in the same install18:03
LLStarksD:18:03
asacLLStarks: have you checked that firefox-3.1 nor firefox-3.6 is running?18:03
LLStarksyup18:03
asacps -aef | grep firefox-318:03
LLStarksfirefox 3.0?18:03
asacLLStarks: thats ok18:03
LLStarksnothing running18:04
LLStarksall ff is closed18:04
asacyeas. sometimes there are phantom processes still left18:04
asacwithout window18:04
asacthey cause all kind of issues18:04
asacLLStarks: ok so if you are sure its not running do a:18:05
asacgdb /usr/lib/firefox-3.5b4pre/firefox-3.518:05
asac...18:05
asac(gdb) run18:05
asacand wait till it crashes18:05
asacthen you run bt18:05
asacand paste it ;)18:05
LLStarksone sec18:06
LLStarksasace18:09
LLStarkshttp://pastebin.com/m35de3fa518:09
LLStarksasac18:09
asac9:05 < asac> and wait till it crashes18:09
asac19:05 < asac> then you run bt18:09
asacLLStarks: ^^18:09
asac(gdb) bt18:10
asac;)18:10
LLStarks#0  0xb80562a3 in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.218:11
LLStarks#1  0xbfd646d8 in ?? ()18:11
LLStarksBacktrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)18:11
asacthat looks bad18:13
asacyou can type "run" again18:13
asacto start again18:13
asacmaybe you get a better backtrace with some luck18:13
asacLLStarks: i would suggest to test with a fresh profile18:13
asacfor me todays daily works18:13
asacLLStarks: also as i said before: run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade18:14
asacotherwise you might have missing bits18:14
asacsince you told me that you had problems with upgrading i think that thats the problem you have18:14
gnomefreaki hate that error it was a big problem for me when we did retaces by hand :(18:14
asacyou just need to let apt do its job18:14
asacits a mess ... evolution doesnt even start for me anymore18:14
asaccome on18:15
gnomefreakasac: does your fixed font package fix the thunderbird text? its hugh for some reason, i havent seen it before but i havent done email in 3 or so days18:15
asacyou dead dumb application ... i just want to "test" something. i will never start you again, i swear18:15
asacgnomefreak:  thunderbird 2? can you please file a bug for that?18:15
gnomefreakasac: 318:15
asacscreenshot plesae18:16
gnomefreakok give me a few minutes18:16
LLStarksone sec18:17
gnomefreakasac: ok that may not happen im thinking it might have been only a few emails that i was writing. I tried just now but it looked right. It was only happening in the text box of reply18:17
asacgnomefreak: thunderbird 2 is known to have that issue18:18
asactbird 3 is good according t5o my testing ;)18:18
asacgnomefreak: yeahg. check thunderbird 218:18
asacand please file a bug for that ;)18:18
asaci need a bug so i can get that in for beta18:18
asacthe problem is that of course, nobody files the really important bugs18:18
asacjust invalid stuff in the bug db recently filed ;)18:18
gnomefreakasac: cant file bug on 3.0 its not in repos18:19
asacgnomefreak: no18:19
asacgnomefreak: check out thunderbird 218:19
asacgnomefreak: not 318:19
asacand file against tbird 2 if it has font problems18:19
asacthanks!18:19
asac(it has font problems ;))18:19
gnomefreakasac: ok when i am done with email i will use 2 to get the new emails and test18:19
asacgnomefreak: you dont even get new mails18:19
asacthe whole interface is HUGE ;)18:19
gnomefreakoh18:19
asacin tbird 218:19
asacyou will see ;)18:20
gnomefreakasac: im having a hard time with bug 229927 being against firefox it should IMHO against either compiz or X18:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 229927 in firefox-3.0 "The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error. " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22992718:21
gnomefreakoh and your friend that we havent seen and forgot about is commenting on that damn bug we cant reproduce. see bug 228988 :( i sent him to file upstream but i dont think it is firefox18:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 228988 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox can display a page with the wrong encoding" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22898818:23
LLStarksfresh profile, same crash18:26
gnomefreakis libmozjs.so in XULrunner? or is this the one debain ships adn we dont?18:27
gnomefreakLLStarks: disable flash/gnash or what you have installed. More than likely its flash you have installed. The empty debugging symbols tells me its being causaed by a plugin or extension. since you tried new profile im leaning torwards plugin :)18:28
gnomefreakalthough this is interesting 0xb80562a3 in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not sure what that is off hand18:29
LLStarksfirefox-3.1 also crashing18:29
gnomefreakand when did we get -dgb packages for unofficial builds18:30
gnomefreakLLStarks: these the version in umd or in official jaunty?18:30
asacLLStarks: firefox-3.1 doesnt exist anymore18:30
asacLLStarks: did yopu finally try to run dist-upgrade?18:31
gnomefreakasac: tell that to the repos18:31
gnomefreakasac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/63585318:31
gnomefreakwould be nice to drop 3.1 altogether18:32
asacgnomefreak: please file the tbird bug ;)18:32
LLStarksi will in a second18:32
asacLLStarks: before that you dont need to try anything ... i am sure your xul and/or firefox 3.1 is not the latest and greatest ;)18:32
asacat least i hope its that way18:32
asacotherwise its definitly unreproducible ;)18:33
LLStarksbut i can't even get 3.1 to load18:33
LLStarkssame issue18:33
asacLLStarks: of course not18:33
asacLLStarks: because xulrunner is wrong version you need to dowgrade everyrthing18:33
LLStarksi did already18:33
asacyeah well.18:33
asacdo dist-upgrade18:33
asacand all will be fine ;)18:33
gnomefreakill file it as soon as im done breaking 3.018:34
LLStarkshttp://pastebin.com/m1a84e73618:37
LLStarksno it isn't18:37
LLStarksstill segfaults18:37
gnomefreakasac: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3372723823_27dc22c4e7.jpg?v=018:38
gnomefreakit looks fine to me18:38
gnomefreakor better yet http://www.flickr.com/photos/26378196@N05/3372723823/18:39
LLStarksasac. any other ideas?18:40
LLStarkswhy would 3.6 run but not 3.5?18:41
LLStarksasac?18:54
gnomefreakbug 31756819:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317568 in firefox-3.0 "Toolbar settings not saved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31756819:12
asacLLStarks: no not really. maybe its a plugin issue? extension issue? for me it works.19:15
LLStarksgrrr.19:16
LLStarkshow do i start a new profile from command-line other than -p?19:16
LLStarksasac. segfault with fresh profile and after all firefox stuff purged.19:21
LLStarksALL FIREFOX AND XULRUNNER STUFF REGARDLESS OF VERSION WAS PURGED19:21
asacLLStarks: move away your ~/.mozilla folder19:22
LLStarksstill19:22
asacstrace -f firefox-3.5 2>&1 | tee /tmp/out.log19:23
asacpost that19:23
asacstrace -f firefox-3.5 2>&1 | tee /tmp/out.log.txt19:23
LLStarkshttp://pastebin.com/m1beb151d19:25
asacLLStarks: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libxul.so19:29
LLStarksi installed that to compile mplayer.19:29
LLStarksD:19:29
LLStarkslibxul-dev19:29
asacwhere did you get it from?19:30
LLStarksworks now19:30
asacyou have to remove the shit19:30
asacLLStarks: mplayer works with xulrunner 1.9 in the archive19:30
LLStarksmplayer build-dep asks for libxul-dev19:30
asacsigh19:31
asaci should be harder about that one19:31
asacif mplayer still doesnt support xul 1.9 we need to drop it sooner or later19:31
asacbut i guess its just a merge bug19:31
asaci remember me porting it to xul 1.9 at some point19:31
asacLLStarks: mplayer doesnt builddepent on it19:32
asaci guess you ment mozilla-mplayer19:32
asacchecking that19:32
LLStarksyup19:32
LLStarksasac. i forgot to mention that the address, navigation, and status bars don't function properly in 3.5 and 3.619:34
asacextensions issue19:34
asachere it works :-P19:34
asacso is debian mplayer dead or what?19:35
asaci mean we havent seen a merge for ages19:35
LLStarksnope.19:35
LLStarks1.0rc3 soon19:35
LLStarksasac. what packages should mozilla-mplayer build-depends against?19:39
asacxulrunner-1.9-dev or even xulrunner-dev19:41
asacbut build system seems still not ready for that19:41
asacshouldnt be hard to fix19:41
asacmaybe upstream tree already supports that?19:41
LLStarksdunno19:41
LLStarksask Kevin DeKorte (kdekorte@gmail.com)19:41
LLStarkshe made the plugin19:41
asacnah. i have no time for that ;)19:42
asaci will try to find someone in -motu to take care of mplayer ;)19:42
asacmplayer needs to be migrated or it has to go which will probably cause outcry ;)19:42
asachmm ... its not in the rdepends of libxul0d19:43
asacthat made it fall off from my radar19:43
asacanyway ... end of day for me19:43
LLStarksmplayer 1.0rc3 will probably make karmic19:44
LLStarksunless diego the head mplayer dev gets his ass together within the next week or so.19:45
asaci dont care. if it has the build system fix and no motu steps up i will just upload a snapshot to get rid of rotten and security wholed libxul0d19:45
asacor well ;)19:46
asaci am not that harsh sually19:46
asacusually ;)19:46
asacbut this is really getting too old to stand19:46
asacfta: so fta you didnt open an ITP for chromium in debian19:47
asacnow its taken19:47
asaci cant understand why you didnt take it19:47
asacthis will cause endless pain over the long run19:47
LLStarksasac. i have no extensions other than ubufox installed. why is firefox 3.5 still being wonky?19:50
asacLLStarks: not sure. if ubufox is enabled, disable that too19:50
asacotherwise i you either have to wait till next daily19:50
asacor until someone confirms your behaviour19:50
asacfor me it work19:50
asacs19:50
LLStarksthat did it19:51
LLStarksubufox is the culprit19:51
LLStarksno need for a bug filing?19:51
asacyeah i know about that19:51
asacthought it wasnt enabled for 3.1 in the archive19:52
asaci have to fix that then19:52
asacLLStarks: so sorry ;) ... i really wasnt aware that its enabled in the archive ;)19:52
LLStarkswhat about 3.0 crashing when collapsing a flash popup?19:52
asacif so i would have fixed it alreawdy ;)19:53
LLStarksis that still present in 3.5 and 3.6?19:53
asacLLStarks: thats nspluginwrapper i guess ... amd64?19:53
LLStarksnope19:53
LLStarksi68619:53
LLStarksflash proper19:53
asacLLStarks: do you have nspluginwrapper installed?19:53
LLStarksno19:53
asacsure?19:53
asacit also exists on 32 bit nowadays19:53
LLStarksits not installed19:53
asacotherwise its a flash incompatibility with 3.1 or 3.619:53
asacok19:53
LLStarksit was only observed on 3.019:54
asacfor me it works more or less19:54
asacon 3.0?19:54
LLStarkshaven't tried 3.5/3.619:54
asachmm19:54
asacthats odd19:54
LLStarksyes. 3.019:54
asacnot sure then19:54
asacLLStarks: at best use nspluginwrapper even on 32 bit19:54
asacthat guards you from ffox crashes at least19:54
LLStarksi thought it causes crashes and crazy shit19:54
asacwell in theory it guards from most crashes19:55
asacin practice it guards you from a bunch of crashes but also adds a few more19:55
asacbecause its not really perfect obviously19:55
asaci would always run with it though19:55
gnomefreak!info sunbird hardy20:17
ubottusunbird (source: lightning-sunbird): Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 7792 kB, installed size 23212 kB20:18
gnomefreak!info sunbird hardy backports20:18
ubottusunbird (source: lightning-sunbird): Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 7792 kB, installed size 23212 kB20:18
gnomefreakwe never pushed 0.8 to hardy20:18
gnomefreakasac: who backported sunbird 0.8 to hardy?20:21
BUGabundodtchen: ping20:45
BUGabundodoes the new kernel include your audio fix?20:46
BUGabundoasac: ping you around?20:47
BUGabundohaving trouble with 3G again20:47
BUGabundostop working recently20:47
BUGabundofta are you having any luck?20:47
dtchenBUGabundo: which new kernel? i've refreshed mine.20:53
dtchen-11.36 (see /proc/version_signature) does not, no20:53
dtchen-11.37~lp330814crimsun1 does20:53
BUGabundoI'm downloading a new one dtchen20:54
BUGabundolinux-image 2.6.28.11.1320:54
BUGabundoI just don't want to lose audio, again!20:54
BUGabundohumm upgrade done20:55
BUGabundosound is still working20:55
BUGabundoI'll see after reboot20:56
LLStarksasac. you broke the number '8'21:05
LLStarks123456789021:05
LLStarks8 doesn't render.21:05
LLStarksor is freetype acting up?21:07
mbanahi, did you say the new javascript engine is on by default in 3.1?22:52
BUGabundo1mbana: actually 3.522:54
BUGabundo1it was renamed this week22:54
mbanai'm using 3.1 from some repo22:54
mbanai'm wondering if it's on22:54
BUGabundo1I know its FAST22:58
BUGabundo1really fast22:58
BUGabundo1and 3.6 is even faster22:58
BUGabundo1but most my addons won't work there22:58
BUGabundo1even when forced22:58
mbanaanyone?23:00
gnomefreak?23:03
* gnomefreak here for a few 23:03
gnomefreakasac: is there an easy way to grab comm-central than pull out what i need?23:04
gnomefreakadded 2257 changesets with 14071 changes to 6659 files (+3 heads)  << in a week23:05
BUGabundo1mbana: am I invisible ?23:07
mbanano idea23:07
* gnomefreak cant see BUGabundo1 23:07
BUGabundo1did you read what I wrote?23:07
gnomefreak;)23:07
mbanayes23:07
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: please don't play I around... I may believe on you23:07
mbanai was asking if the new engine is on by default23:07
BUGabundo1I think it is23:07
BUGabundo1at least I noticed the diff23:08
gnomefreaknew engine?23:08
BUGabundo1yeah23:08
BUGabundo1the new gecko javascript one23:08
BUGabundo1ehehe you are a shame for the mozilla team... you don't keep up with the news23:08
BUGabundo1lol23:08
BUGabundo1mbana: but check about:config23:10
BUGabundo1I remember reading about an option to change the status23:11
gnomefreaksorry i have other things i take care of ;) i also havent read any of my mozilla emails23:13
BUGabundo1hey asac welcome back23:16
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: I bet!23:16
BUGabundo1even reading all the ubuntu stuff is overkill23:16
BUGabundo1I like to read the meeting logs but even that takes too long23:16
gnomefreaklast time i read my upstream mail lists was when i was told i was trying to do the impossible23:17
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: but come on! the JS engine? its all over the web23:17
mbanano i don't tink it's on by default23:17
* BUGabundo1 goes check about:config and google23:18
gnomefreakBUGabundo1: sorry i might have heard or read about it but it isnt comming to mind. once i get the tarball i grabbing i will look for it23:18
gnomefreak!info pidgin hardy-backports23:20
ubottupidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.5.2-0ubuntu1~hardy1 (hardy-backports), package size 547 kB, installed size 1920 kB23:20
BUGabundo1mbana: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=61598&messageID=113706623:20
=== asac_ is now known as asac
mbanawhy not just use chrome's engine23:23
gnomefreakBUGabundo1: are you sure thats the link you wanted to post? that only says that 3.0 already has the JS engine but is mainly about the rename23:23
BUGabundo1bah23:24
BUGabundo1google is bad sometimes23:24
BUGabundo1mbana: really? chromium?23:24
BUGabundo1rather not23:24
gnomefreakchromium being used in mainstream package == very bad idea23:26
mbanahuh?23:28
mbanalike i said, why not just use the chrome engine and avoid repeating the work23:28
mbanaseems like a waste of effort23:28
BUGabundo1most of the soft work is23:28
BUGabundo1LOL23:28
BUGabundo1just see KDE vs GNOME23:28
gnomefreaki look over a bug see every comment on it and i have noticed the problem for a long time and yet never realized it was same bug23:29
gnomefreakchromium isnt the most mature and i feel shoulnt replace one that already is mature (although all mozilla products new or old have some big bugs to them23:30
gnomefreakBUGabundo1: hae you played with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/39? i know you are the extension king23:31
BUGabundo1ehhe23:32
* BUGabundo1 looks23:32
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: that would do me much good23:32
BUGabundo1I *hate* PCs mice23:32
BUGabundo1I'm a keyboard guy23:32
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: let me printout a list of mine for you23:33
gnomefreakeh had to check23:33
BUGabundo1http://paste.ubuntu.com/135133/23:33
BUGabundo1at least 10% of those are broken23:34
BUGabundo1and TMP is to broken to even use it23:34
BUGabundo1:((23:34
gnomefreakbroken on 3.1 and 3.2 or on 3.0 as well23:34
BUGabundo1just >3.023:35
asacmbana: ffox engine was there first23:35
asacmbana: so chrome redid all the work23:35
BUGabundo1most were ok on 3.023:35
asacmbana: also their engine isnt even cross platform ;)23:35
asace.g. they only work with 32 bit23:35
BUGabundo1AFAIR all but ShowIP23:35
asacso yeah. chromium is inferior in lots of ways23:35
asacjust speed is not everything that counts23:36
* asac now stops feeding the trolls ;)23:36
BUGabundo1asac: I'm 64 and can use chromium....23:36
asacBUGabundo1: yes. because you are running 32 bit23:36
BUGabundo1not that I do... just to show off23:36
BUGabundo1ahh23:36
BUGabundo1yes ia32libs23:36
BUGabundo1duh23:36
asacthats a gross hack23:36
asacis not really a solution23:36
BUGabundo1asac: did you change anything on NM recently to mess 3G?23:37
asacalso world is not just ia32 and amd6423:37
BUGabundo1can't connect a single device23:37
BUGabundo1:((23:37
asacits also arm for instance23:37
BUGabundo1I like to save energy and now I have to have another PC running just to have intertubes23:37
asacdont know intertubes23:38
asac3G hasnt changed much recently23:38
asacyou can downgrade to the version before the last23:38
asacto check that23:39
asacif there is really a regression that goes away, i want to know23:39
BUGabundo1intertubes=internet23:39
BUGabundo1ill do23:39
BUGabundo1where can I find a prev version?23:39
asaclaunchpad23:39
asacthere are all versions23:39
BUGabundo1I have zero cache23:39
asacyou just have to download all .deb files maunally23:39
BUGabundo1since I have close to zero disk free23:39
* BUGabundo1 wishes LP would bundle packages or APT could connect there too23:40
asacyeah. someone needs write such a tool23:40
asacbut then it might also need older versions from other packages and so on23:41
asacin general not easy task23:41
BUGabundo1or pay you to keep a regression NM package that depends on older version23:41
asachmm23:41
asacBUGabundo1: you could probably do that in a ppa ;)23:41
asacstill not easy task ... even if you use a meta package with fixed depends23:42
BUGabundo1I guess23:42
BUGabundo1branch it to my own23:42
asacbranching too23:42
asaci think we would need special ppas23:42
asacthat dont superseed23:42
asace.g. everything stays in packages23:43
asacfile23:43
BUGabundo1regexp and wget too?23:43
asacthen you could at least do it23:43
asacnow he is gone ;)23:43
BUGabundo1yah23:44
BUGabundo1you scared him23:44
BUGabundo1troll23:44
asacwell. i dont know why he came back23:45
asaci mean he asked exactly the same question like a few days ago23:45
thunderstruckasac: what do i need to do to send a .py from linux and get it to work in Windows? assuming i find a qay to do it for windows?23:45
asacif he didnt mean it that way, i am sorry.23:46
asacbut it really sounded trollish23:46
thunderstruckwth23:46
asacthunderstruck: huh? a .py is independent23:46
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
asacso in theory it should work23:46
gnomefreakasac: oh ok no permission issues?23:46
gnomefreakthats the only thing i can think of off hand that would cauas eit23:47
asacgnomefreak: well. the .py might depend on a bunch of other stuff that is only on linux23:48
asaclike gtk-python23:48
asacor something23:48
asacnot sure. in theory .py can just be run on windows once you installed python there23:48
asacand associated the .py extension with the python interpreter23:48
gnomefreakim hoping to not have to go gtk but im sure for win users i have ot23:48
gnomefreakgnome shouldnt have this bug it is strictly a kde bug i thought23:50
BUGabundo1asac: actually you didn't answer his 1st question: does 3.5 have the new js engine on by default23:51
BUGabundo1and now I'm curious too23:51
asacBUGabundo1: i answered that a few days back23:51
asacwhen he talked the same lines23:51
asacBUGabundo1: about:config -> javascript.options.jit.content23:52
asacif thats true. then yes23:52
gnomefreakjit content is only in 3.5 and up i thought :) i remember somethings23:52
BUGabundo1yeah23:52
BUGabundo1that's what I though23:53
BUGabundo1I read many weeks ago23:53
asacso the answer is yet ;)23:53
BUGabundo1but bad memory sucks23:53
asacyes23:53
asac01:21 < mbana> is the new javascript on by default?23:54
asac01:21 < asac> mbana: new javascript is what?23:54
asac01:21 < mbana> engine23:54
asac01:21 < asac> mbana: on trunk the currently used trunk engine is used ;)23:54
asac01:22 < asac> mbana: jit is used for content by default23:54
asac01:22 < asac> mbana: you can enable that in about:config for chrome23:54
asac01:25 < mbana> bye23:54
asacthats the discussion we had like a few days ago23:54
BUGabundo1eheh23:55
asacmaybe he missed that23:55
gnomefreakok starting the build ill be around23:55
asachmm. seems we also had good discussions with him23:56
asacnow i feel bad ;)23:56

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