[00:00] <cwillu> and if not, could you?
[00:00] <cwillu> does sudoedit work?
[00:00] <jscinoz> cwillu: will do, although its still as the default as i just purged and reinstalled sudo
[00:00] <cwillu> jscinoz, humour me :p
[00:00] <crashsystems> jscinoz did you check to make sure your user is a member of the admin group?
[00:00] <jscinoz> and no sudoedit doesnt work
[00:00] <jscinoz> crashsystems: yes
[00:00] <DanaG> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/moosplash-a-cowsay-inspired-usplash-theme-for-ubuntu.html
[00:01] <jscinoz> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/f29d7334a
[00:01] <DanaG> http://crunchbang.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/screenhot-gt-usplash.png
[00:01] <DanaG> hah.
[00:01] <DanaG> crunch... bang?
[00:01] <DanaG> #!
[00:02] <cwillu> jscinoz, my hunch is that you have a timestamp that's broken
[00:03] <DanaG> hmm, sudo -k or sudo -K
[00:03] <jscinoz> cwillu: and what should i do
[00:03] <rww> jscinoz: You said you can log in as root, right? Does "sudo echo test" (or something similar) work when you're root?
[00:03] <cwillu> rww, no, he just tried that exact line :p
[00:03] <cwillu> try what DanaG said
[00:04] <rww> oh, I thought he tried it as a normal user
[00:04] <cwillu> jscinoz, what filesystem is root and var on?
[00:04] <jscinoz> DanaG: did that, no change
[00:04] <mib_4rtem2> cwillu: back
[00:04] <cwillu> ah, from the root account, I get you
[00:04] <jscinoz> cwillu: ext3
[00:04] <mib_4rtem2> humm IIRC it was a question on hibernate
[00:04] <mib_4rtem2> and uwsp compression
[00:05]  * cwillu answers flips a coin and determines that the answer was yes
[00:05] <crashsystems> any ideas on how I can speed up the replication of but #345599?
[00:05] <crashsystems> bug #345599 *
[00:05] <cwillu> jscinoz, do you have a password set on the root account?
[00:05] <jscinoz> cwillu: no
[00:06] <cwillu> jscinoz, you have a root prompt up?
[00:06] <steve_> before i dl alpha 6, is there nvidia drivers yet or no
[00:06] <jscinoz> cwillu: ssh root@localhost
[00:06] <cwillu> steve_, afaik, there's been nvidia drivers for a while now
[00:06] <jscinoz> cwillu: publickey login
[00:06] <cwillu> jscinoz, does sudo echo foo work from that prompt?
[00:07] <rww> cwillu steals my ideas D:
[00:07] <cwillu> rww, with pride :p
[00:07] <steve_> cwillu> thanks, going to dl mythbuntu latest, but would be useless without drivers, thanks again
[00:07] <DanaG> No working nvidia driver for NV17 (a 2-that-nvidia-lies-and-calls-a-4 MX) card, for me.
[00:08] <jscinoz> cwillu: yes, but i'm alreadyroo there
[00:08] <jscinoz> root*
[00:08] <cwillu> jscinoz, doesn't matter, it's still going through the motions
[00:08] <DanaG> nvidia 96.43.10 just makes compiz and login hang... and then if I chmod -x compiz.real, it makes xorg segfault every time my desktop tries to load.
[00:08] <jscinoz> hmm
[00:08] <cwillu> so sudo isn't completely broken
[00:08] <cwillu> jscinoz, make a new user, add him to the admin group, and then check if _he_ can sudo
[00:10] <jscinoz> sec
[00:10] <DanaG> random: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=94279&file1=94279-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=CleanUSplash
[00:11] <jscinoz> cwillu: nope
[00:11] <jscinoz> cwillu: also i think su is broken too
[00:11] <crashsystems> ooo
[00:11] <jscinoz> when i tried su to the normal user and entered its correct password it just didnt su
[00:11] <jscinoz> i had to go the root shell and su from there
[00:11] <cwillu> jscinoz, have you played around with changing dash to bash or any similar sh games?
[00:12] <cwillu> or pam, maybe?
[00:12]  * cwillu forks
[00:12] <cwillu> 1: killing /var/run/sudo and remaking it
[00:13] <cwillu> 2: pastebin the contents of /etc/pam.d/sudo
[00:13] <cwillu> and possibly /etc/pam.d/common-*
[00:13] <jscinoz> cwillu: none of that
[00:14] <jscinoz> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/f14f5f182 /etc/pam.d/sudo
[00:14]  * cwillu studies jscinoz's face for the telltales signs of a liar :p
[00:14] <cwillu> j/k
[00:14] <cwillu> k, give me common-auth and common-account
[00:15] <jscinoz> one sec
[00:15] <jscinoz> cwillu: common-auth http://pastebin.com/f454ebbc1
[00:15] <cwillu> I'm tempted to ask you to pastebin /var/log/auth.log as well, although you want to be sure that you haven't typed your password in as your username by accident recently
[00:16] <jscinoz> cwillu: common-account http://pastebin.com/f2d40e39d
[00:16] <jscinoz> cwillu: auth.log http://pastebin.com/f2b920ca2
[00:17] <crashsystems> no doubt as soon as I give up on this backtrace the bug will rear it's ugly head again.
[00:17] <cwillu> you've got an extra smb line that I don't have, otherwise identical
[00:19] <cwillu> Mar 22 11:10:22 jscinoz passwd[30032]: pam_smbpass(passwd:chauthtok): Failed to find entry for user test.
[00:20] <cwillu> jscinoz, I don't think this'll change anything, but could you try commenting out the smb entry in common-auth?
[00:20] <jscinoz> cwillu: one sec
[00:20] <cwillu> and then sudo echo foo again from a normal account, etc
[00:21] <jscinoz> cwillu: it works now.
[00:21] <jscinoz> O_o
[00:22] <cwillu> jscinoz, file a bug on smb
[00:22] <jscinoz> cwillu: saying what?
[00:22] <cwillu> jscinoz, saying that including that in common-auth breaks sudo
[00:22] <cwillu> let them figure it out :p
[00:22] <jscinoz> ok
[00:23] <cwillu> you've had this for a while now?
[00:23] <cwillu> (the bug)
[00:23] <jscinoz> yeah about a week
[00:23]  * cwillu goes and checks changelogs
[00:25] <cwillu> jscinoz, """debian/local/pam-auth-update (et al): new interface for managing /etc/pam.d/common-*, using drop-in config snippets provided by the module packages."""
[00:26] <cwillu> jscinoz, third of march sound right?
[00:26] <DanaG> What's up with the danged thing switching BACK to xorg the first time I try to switch to a tty?
[00:26] <cwillu> jscinoz, include libpam-modules on the bug report
[00:27] <cwillu> jscinoz, you have libpam-smbpass installed?
[00:27] <jscinoz> cwillu: yeah its installed
[00:27] <jscinoz> nah it was later than that
[00:27] <cwillu> jscinoz, include it in the bug :p
[00:28] <jscinoz> probably around 16th
[00:28] <cwillu> HAH
[00:28] <cwillu> ya, libpam-smbpass changed on the 16th
[00:28] <cwillu> looking at the changelog now
[00:30] <jscinoz> cwillu: what package should i file the bug against? libpam-smbpass?
[00:30] <cwillu> jscinoz, I'd say file it against all three (which you do after you make the bug)
[00:31] <cwillu> well
[00:31] <cwillu> nah
[00:31] <cwillu> libpam-smbpass is probably a good one, ya
[00:31] <DanaG> Hah, that moosplash theme just plain doesn't work.
[00:31] <DanaG> "No usable theme for 1024x768."
[00:31] <cwillu> mib_4rtem2, haven't had any issues with compression myself
[00:32]  * cwillu installs the crack-pushers repo in the hope that maybe his intel issues will be sorted out
[00:43]  * DanaG is using tormod's repo for radeon.
[00:45] <DanaG> Ugh, damned update-manager now doesn't even get to where it says no changelogs are available.
[00:53]  * cwillu is sad, edgers didn't fix his intel issues :(
[00:59] <mib_4rtem2> even amber comments on bug 332945 ROFL
[01:01] <DanaG> random:
[01:01] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f160dd5e3
[01:01] <DanaG> my xvinfo.
[01:02] <mib_4rtem2> lovely bug 243037
[01:21]  * cwillu hopes the update notifier doesn't come back
[01:22] <crashsystems> I hope it does. How else are average users going to know to update?
[01:22] <cwillu> uh
[01:22] <cwillu> average users have no idea what a star or an arrow means in the notification area
[01:22] <cwillu> I know this, because I see average users neglecting to update their machines all the time
[01:22] <crashsystems> unless the person who installs ubuntu tells them
[01:23] <cwillu> they don't remember, nor should they
[01:23] <cwillu> it's an arcane detail (not as arcane as 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade', but arcane enough)
[01:23] <DanaG> Perhaps need a different icon?
[01:23] <cwillu> popping up the update-manager in the background is far more effective
[01:23] <crashsystems> so, shall we set up anacron schedules for automated updating?
[01:24] <DanaG> yEAH, but at least it should friggin' UPDATE THE PACKAGE CACHE first!
[01:24] <DanaG> Fedora uses a "star with insect" thing.
[01:24] <DanaG> The Fedora thingy.
[01:24] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O95xSfr8ac
[01:24] <cwillu> because 'star with insect' is an obvious logo for 'you have new updates' :p
[01:25] <DanaG> Well, at least for me, it makes me want to hover over it to satisfy the curiosity of "wtf is this?"
[01:25] <DanaG> Same for the exclamation-point one.
[01:25] <cwillu> DanaG, most people don't have that curiosity :p
[01:25] <DanaG> But, auto-launching to show 5-WEEK-OLD updates... is useless!
[01:25] <DanaG> Try not booting a drive for 5 weeks... and then watch the update manager auto-launch... and show OLD updates!
[01:26] <cwillu> DanaG, there's already a daily cron job to update the repository
[01:26] <DanaG> Didn't work for me.
[01:26] <sergiu> Hi
[01:27] <cwillu> DanaG, okay, but that has nothing to do with update-notifer vs popping up the update-manager
[01:27] <sergiu> Can anyone help me , after upgrading to jaunty, the sound is no more working .
[01:27] <sergiu> but in gdm it dose working
[01:28] <DanaG> Every time I see that "click the notification icon", I do realize that that's a bit of an unintuitive term.
[01:28] <cwillu> DanaG, you have /etc/cron.daily/apt?
[01:29] <DanaG> On my current 64-bit partition, yes; lemme' dig out my 32-bit one (the one I was complaining about).
[01:29] <cwillu> unless you're usually running in laptop-mode, or you've disabled cron, it should be updating based on the selection in software sources ('check for updates: <daily><every two days><...>')
[01:30] <DanaG> woah, just noticed a list of mirrors in software-sources panel.
[01:30] <cwillu> DanaG, that's been there for like 4 releases :p
[01:30] <DanaG> I usually manually tweak sources.list.
[01:31] <cwillu> anyways, I'm going now, ttyal :p
[01:31] <DanaG> I keep a local mirror (at Cal Poly), a slightly-less-local mirror (mirrors.kernel.org), and the official archive -- preferred in order listed.
[01:31] <DanaG> Keeping all 3 lets it not get out of date from an out-of-date mirror.
[01:34] <DanaG> grr, stupid gnome / hal don't auto-mount eSATA.
[01:35] <DanaG> Here's the Fedora one: http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/984/screenshotpf6.png
[01:37] <SeveredCross> I use the MIT Media Lab mirror.
[01:37] <SeveredCross> I get like 10 MB/s from them at school.
[01:38] <DanaG> What school do you go to?  For me, it's Cal Poly, SLO.
[01:40] <mib_4rtem2> cwillu: as stated on the devel ML  NEW users can get it quite fine!
[01:41] <cwillu> mib_4rtem2, that doesn't fit with my experience of non-technical users
[01:42] <cwillu> mib_4rtem2, the sort of user that doesn't get viruses on windows, yes, they'll be fine.  The type that does, no, they don't get it, and you're kidding yourself if you think they do
[01:42] <DanaG> What does the OS X updater do?
[01:42] <DanaG> Oh, it sits there and HOPS at you to DEMAND ATTENTION.
[01:42] <DanaG> Jumping icons... whee.
[01:43] <cwillu> DanaG, yes, but osx has a different manner of dealing with persistent apps in the first place
[01:43] <cwillu> DanaG, it's actually not much different from our new approach, us with the slowly pulsating taskbar entry, them with the jumping icon
[01:44]  * cwillu reminds the channel that windows that request attention (such as an update-manager window opened in the background) do have a non-intrusive but noticable means of requesting attention
[01:44] <cwillu> DanaG, they stole that from kde :p
[01:44] <DanaG> Now HERE's an icon that's amusing:
[01:44] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdS5wr0V98&feature=related
[01:45] <mib_4rtem2> Sergeant_Pony2: iu bug 330814
[01:46] <DanaG> Commited? Sw€€t.
[01:46]  * cwillu is cold :(
[01:46] <cwillu> oops
[01:46] <SeveredCross> Oh hey, they fixed that bug. Cool!
[01:50] <DanaG> ugh, update-manager won't show changelogs.
[01:50] <cwillu> DanaG, more patience required
[01:50] <DanaG> It won't even show the "can't find changelog" message, either!
[01:50] <DanaG> Downloading list of changes...
[01:51] <cwillu> well...
[01:51] <cwillu> you shouldn't have broken it then
[01:51] <DanaG> =þ
[01:53] <mib_4rtem2> DanaG: so was maco correct? is it dead?
[01:54] <DanaG> is what dead?
[01:56] <mib_4rtem2> apt-listchange DanaG
[01:56] <maco> yes i think its broken
[01:56] <maco> "apt-listchanges --apt pidgin" ran for about 6 hours and did nothing
[01:57] <DanaG> I don't have apt-listchanges installed.
[01:57] <maco> oh
[01:57] <DanaG> I'd rather list changes before even triggering an upgrade.
[01:58] <maco> mib_4rtem2: apt-listchanges is for command line
[01:58] <mib_4rtem2> maco: do u have a bug for that?
[01:58] <mib_4rtem2> i'm still seeing it some times
[01:58] <mib_4rtem2> so i cant confirm it
[01:58] <mib_4rtem2> its more like WorksForMe
[01:58] <mib_4rtem2> DanaG: ehehe
[01:58] <maco> no i dont. it worked fine when an update was running a few days ago
[01:59] <mib_4rtem2> listchanges can STOP/abort isntall
[01:59] <maco> but when i tried to call it manually, it hung for hours
[01:59] <mib_4rtem2> and UM shows them on the bottom part
[01:59] <mib_4rtem2> ahh
[01:59] <DanaG> Try ctrl-backslash'ing it.
[01:59] <DanaG> That's sigquit.
[01:59] <mib_4rtem2> so its the manual part that its broken
[02:03] <maco> mib_4rtem2: apt-listchanges and update-manager showing it on the bottom have squat to do with each other
[02:04] <maco> apt-listchanges isnt part of a default install, but u-m's displaying that is a default thing
[02:04] <maco> DanaG: i was able to ^C out of it
[02:05] <DanaG> Try ctrl-\, and it'll likely core-dump.
[02:05] <DanaG> Then you can get a stacktrace.
[02:06] <mib_4rtem2> anyone having trouble with 3G modems with latest NM ?
[02:06] <mib_4rtem2> going to downgrade to test it
[02:26] <KaiL_> hi everybody
[02:26] <fr500> hi
[02:27] <KaiL_> does anybody know, how to get tv-cards to play with fglrx?
[02:28] <ripps> KaiL_: I don't know about fglrx, but I know tv-out works pretty good with the open source radeon drivers
[02:28] <KaiL_> with tvtime I get about one image every 10 seconds; with zapping and xawtv a black screen :/
[02:28] <KaiL_> ripps: but no 3D :(
[02:28] <DanaG> oh, I see what broke my update-manager: t'was apt-zeroconf.
[02:29] <ripps> 3d works in radeon (depending on chip) it just isn't very fast.
[02:29] <fr500> anyone having problems with jaunty and mt-daapd
[02:30] <fr500> ?
[02:33] <KaiL_> ripps: Radeon 4670 and I need the full performance ;)
[02:35] <ripps> KaiL_: rv730 huh? Very new, probably little support for it, even in the proprietary driver.
[02:35] <KaiL_> eh
[02:35] <KaiL_> the proprietary driver gives exactly the same performance as on Windows ;)
[02:36] <crdlb> performance isn't everything
[02:37] <ripps> crdlb: Yeah, but I don't think the open source supports rv700 chips yet.
[02:37] <crdlb> I wouldn't be surprised if fglrx is sharing its 3d engine with the windows driver, like nvidia does
[02:37] <KaiL_> the free driver does only 2D, yes
[02:38] <KaiL_> strange, all those help pages say, that only "overlay", but not "grabdisplay" is broken
[02:38] <KaiL_> but here both doesn't work
[02:38] <KaiL_> only a *very* slow tvtime
[02:39] <SeveredCross> Free driver does 3D for older cards. XD
[02:41] <KaiL_> aha...
[02:41] <KaiL_> xawtv -noxv works...
[02:41] <ripps> Hopefully, open source drivers will see alot better performance once gallium3D hits desktop
[02:47]  * DanaG has this issue:
[02:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[02:49] <crdlb> do you?
[02:51] <fr500> can anyone test mt-daapd (aka firefly medio server)
[02:51] <fr500> just to see if it segfaults a few secs after startup
[02:52] <Ademan> I just upgraded to jaunty last night, has anyone else had issues where their font sizes EXPLODED?  I rebooted my machine and everything suddenly got *huge*.  I suspect some DPI setting has been screwed up somewhere (As my resolution is unchanged).  Also System->Preferences->Display doesn't like me anymore, says my driver doesn't support the extensions necessary to use that tool, then dumps me into nvidia-glx-settings or whatever
[02:53] <ripps> Ademan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts
[02:55] <DanaG> I've gone and set my bug back to "confirmed"
[02:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[03:00] <DasEi> bastille : DB5.0' is not a supported operating system
[03:05] <fr500> can anyone test mt-daapd (aka firefly medio server)
[03:05] <fr500> just to see if it segfaults a few secs after startup?
[03:06] <ripps> fr500: You should really go file a bug
[03:07] <fr500> ripps: I'm doing that
[03:07] <fr500> but i have tested that just on my pc
[03:09] <fr500> well there ya go reported
[03:20] <EruditeHermit> hey calc
[03:29] <Kadko> Hello, im using ubuntu jaunty, but i have a problem. When i try to update all go fine but in the restart it doesn't boot. I only can see a BlackScreen and a message on my screen saying that the resolution is incorrect
[03:31] <thiebaude> how do i enable ext4 in 9.04?
[03:33] <hmw> i have a notebook with a ATI AC97 sound card, which doesnt work good in 8.10. how good are the chances, that using the new system will work better with that sound card?
[03:34] <thiebaude> hmw: i have heard that ati is hit and miss with ubuntu
[03:35] <hmw> you mean, its a question of luck?
[03:35] <thiebaude> hmw: the only way is to try and see if it works
[03:35] <hmw> ic. thanks.
[03:35] <thiebaude> hmw: np
[03:36] <Kadko> Not really, i have 2 pc's whit an ati hardware and all work fine for me, and in jaunty i doesn;t need to install any restricted driver for my ati hardware
[03:37] <hmw> another setup session... will updates make a full 9.04 version out of the alpha/beta?
[03:37] <hmw> (once the new ubuntu will be released, i mean)
[03:37] <thiebaude> hmw: yes
[03:37] <hmw> okay... thats very convenient
[03:38] <Kadko> Well, now i have a problem while updating my jaunty. When it's updated and need to restart to apply the new's files it doesn't start any more :(
[03:38] <thiebaude> hmw: i still have the bug 304871 but i'am able to use 9.04 with no real problems, so i'll stick with it
[03:39] <hmw> "BO"??
[03:39] <thiebaude> Kadko: can you try an older kernal
[03:39] <Kadko> The same whit older kernel doesnt start
[03:39]  * DanaG has an R600 GPU, and gets panics when trying to use fglrx.
[03:40] <DanaG> Thus, I'm sticking with radeon for now.
[03:40] <thiebaude> i have a similar problem where i cant boot with the newest kernal but with the older one i can
[03:40] <Kadko> Just get a black screen whit a message box on my screen saying Invalid Resolution or disconected from the cpu
[03:40] <thiebaude> Kadko: it nevers finishes loading?
[03:41] <Kadko> nope, the hard drive led doesn't do nothing
[03:41] <hmw> Kadko: you really meant _c_pu?
[03:42] <|max|> What's the status of the pulseaudio problem, when will it be fixed?
[03:45] <Kadko> sorry central processing unit
[03:45] <hmw> thats a weird message
[03:45] <hmw> i would have been able to imagine such a message regarding the gpu, but cpu?? wow.
[03:45] <thiebaude> haha
[03:46] <thiebaude> hardware problem
[03:46] <hmw> problem with the programmer, who wrote that text, i'd say *g*
[03:46] <Kadko> gpu is in englush cpu is in spanish :P
[03:46] <hmw> is offtopic chat accepted in this channel?
[03:47] <thiebaude> it seems more relaxed in here than #ubuntu
[03:47] <hmw> great
[03:47] <hmw> and how do you say cpu in spanish, then?
[03:48]  * hmw grins
[03:48] <thiebaude> i cant wait until beta next thursday
[03:48] <hmw> i cant wait to get an ubuntu running perfectly on any of my 5 machines...
[03:49] <hmw> running updates meanwhile inflicts fear in me
[03:50] <Halow> I should run a Spanish Ubuntu one of these days. I'd understand enough to get by, but it would be interesting to see what some technical terms are in Spanish. I just don't know.
[03:50] <thiebaude> yea me too, i dont know whats going to happen next, hmw
[03:50] <hmw> the update issue is even worse in fedora, it seems
[03:50] <thiebaude> i just have to see what updates are being offered to see which ones i download
[03:51] <thiebaude> i agree,  for 9.04, hmw
[03:51] <thiebaude> i never had any bug problems, i've been upgrading since 6.06
[03:52] <hmw> well... i wouldnt be puzzled, if updating a beta changes (too) much... but its the same with 8.04 and 8.10... i have much bad luck, as it seems... i use only scrap hardware
[03:53] <thiebaude> even with the bug in 9.04, i have to say its real fast
[03:55] <thiebaude> hmw: did want to upgrade to 9.04 just to see if it works?
[03:56] <hmw> i hope, it will like my notebook more than the older versions, but wanted to ask about the chances before investing hours of work... well... i started the download and will see
[03:56] <hmw> gnome is bestially slow on all machines, i own
[03:56] <thiebaude> hmw: yea, can't give you an answer there , wish i could
[03:57] <hmw> even scrolling in gedit is choppy
[03:57] <hmw> but compiz is super fast... weird
[03:57] <thiebaude> hmw: are your machines older, or have enough memory?
[03:57] <hmw> older: yes, memory: good (1gb+)
[03:58] <hmw> notebook: 2.6 GHz, 500K cache, up to 350MB shared video
[03:58] <thiebaude> hmw: i have dell optiplex gx-150 512mb
[03:58] <thiebaude> 1gz
[03:58] <hmw> even on a 800MHz machine with a 256MB gpu, compiz was good enough to be used
[03:58] <thiebaude> hmw: i want a notebook so bad
[03:58] <hmw> but its gnome, which is driving me insane
[03:58] <thiebaude> wow
[03:59] <thiebaude> hmw: i dont have 3d rendering so i cant run compiz
[03:59] <hmw> well, i wonder, why in my expirience, XP is 3 times faster on the screen, and people keep telling me, i must have done something wrong... 5 different pcs and some friends reporting the same. but i know, there are machines, where gnome just is fast
[04:00] <SeveredCross> GNOME is plenty snappy here.
[04:00] <hmw> might it be the small cache of celerons?
[04:00] <thiebaude> SeveredCross: gnome is fast for me too
[04:00] <SeveredCross> Even w/ Compiz.
[04:00] <DanaG> I've tried compiz on an X300SE on a P4, and it was slow as all hell.
[04:00] <hmw> gnome was the first reason for me tho consider trying the alpha
[04:00] <SeveredCross> GNOME 2.26 is nice.
[04:01] <SeveredCross> And notify-osd is great.
[04:01] <DanaG> Yet, triggering "benchmark" made it go to 60fps.
[04:01] <thiebaude> the menus in 9.04 are snappy
[04:01] <DanaG> Then opening gnome-terminal dropped it to around 1.5FPS.
[04:01] <DanaG> Oh, and triggering water... brought it down to 0.6 FPS.  Yes, zero point six.
[04:01] <hmw> nice thing about compiz is, that i dont feel a difference compared to the performance without it
[04:02] <hmw> wow DanaG
[04:02] <thiebaude> compiz is just amazing on a high specs computer, my friend has it
[04:02] <hmw> as said, compiz on 800MHz celeron, 512MB RAM, some 256MB gpu = too cool... no way to do it with vista
[04:02] <crdlb> compiz provides a nice performance boost on my 32MB radeon 7500M
[04:03] <crdlb> especially with the fading and sliding effects all off
[04:03] <thiebaude> crdlb: i need to buy a new computer,lol
[04:03] <hmw> and i need to find better scrap pcs lol
[04:03] <thiebaude> haha
[04:04] <hmw> i want to be paid for supporting in #ubuntu... would be sort of my dream job
[04:04] <thiebaude> ok ppl got to go, nice chatting with ya
[04:04] <hmw> bye
[04:24] <sebsebseb> annyoying last sound for a second time
[04:24] <sebsebseb> lost
[04:25] <sebsebseb> in Banshee
[04:31]  * DanaG changes nickname to "damned_fglrx"
[04:31] <DanaG> ... or maybe not.
[04:32] <hmw> fglrx should be banned.
[04:32] <hmw> i had 40 hours of incredible fun with it *g*
[04:32] <crdlb> /nick fglrxing_fglrx
[04:32] <hmw> LOL
[04:33] <sebsebseb> what's fglrx?
[04:34] <crdlb> proprietary ATI driver: FireGL and Radeon X driver
[04:34] <hmw> sebsebseb: you dont want to know, really.
[04:34] <DanaG> For me, it just panics.
[04:34] <sebsebseb> hmw: sound worked great for me in 8.10.  it didn't for other people though.  and now with this 9.04 alpha6 I  get sound issues?  heh
[04:35] <hmw> sebsebseb: oh my
[04:36] <sebsebseb> that's twice I lost sound in Banshee when trying to listen to music :(.   first time ran some alsa commands and yeah that didn't seem to do any good, but hten it worked later, after being in graphical thing.  ,but after doing graphical  stuff that I think I did before no good
[04:36] <hmw> guess, we will have some more years, until the Linuxes get to a certain level, we all have in mind... i only hope, that they wont imworseprove gnome to its death
[04:36] <sebsebseb> hmw: if I get anything like this in the final with sound, I will distro change, sound is very important for me to have on computer,  considering I also use it as my music player
[04:36] <sebsebseb> hmw: I mean anything that can't just be fixed in final
[04:37] <sebsebseb> hmw: to do with sound
[04:37] <hmw> same here... i dont have any hifi hardware besides my pc
[04:37] <hmw> nor any tv set, too
[04:37] <sebsebseb> my stero is there but it's old, and I think the CD player is basically broken, plus now most of my music in MP3
[04:37] <hmw> and i feel a need for having a linux system on my workstation asap
[04:37] <sebsebseb> hmw: log out and hope sound works????  or  is there a better way hummmm
[04:38] <hmw> i must not move the mouse, when watching a vid...
[04:38] <hmw> and even then it can stop suddenly (POLLERR something)
[04:38] <DanaG> hmm, that's probably pulseaudio aborting.
[04:39] <sebsebseb> pulseuadio is shit
[04:39] <sebsebseb> soem things seem to say I am using alsa, but maybe I am not
[04:39] <sebsebseb> DanaG: pulseaudio pft,  that's been issues for Ubuntu users since hardy
[04:40] <hmw> i have no knownledge about how sound works in linux. i read a forum post suggesting to remove pulse, which i did, but no luck. apps, btw, kept working, and afaik i configured them all to use alsa... so i think, pulse should not be involved... am i wrong?
[04:40] <sebsebseb> hmw: I wonder if I even configured for it all to use alsa
[04:41] <sebsebseb> I feel deaf, no music!
[04:41] <hmw> i imagine, if my apps use alsa, pulse should stay asleep, is that so? or is there something in the background, runnint alsa through pulse?
[04:42] <hmw> s/runnint/running
[04:43] <RAOF> hmw: Yes.  We run alsa apps through pulse.
[04:43] <hmw> oh... but how could my sound keep working (partially), when i apt-get removed pulseaudio?
[04:43] <sebsebseb> 66 updates
[04:44] <RAOF> Because then you don't have pulseaudio running, so the ALSA -> pulse bridge isn't used.
[04:44] <hmw> ah!
[04:45] <hmw> can you tell me some good linux/sound text books, online preferred? i mean some really basic stuff for programmers
[04:45] <hmw> basic... i mean... uhm... near to the system/hardware
[04:48] <RAOF> hmw: lennart po...ing (the pulseaudio guy) has a pretty good overview of what's out there.  Particularly the "safe ALSA API".
[04:48] <hmw> noted. thanks!
[04:58] <hmw> sebsebseb seemingly lost more than just sound...
[05:00] <DanaG> damned nvidia 96... segfaults xorg.
[05:01] <DanaG> And unlike radeon, nouveau.... absolutely HAMMERS both CPU and hard drive.
[05:20] <hmw> oh... still the old desktop background??
[05:24] <hmw> huh? my empty partition has used 322MBytes.
[05:25] <Halow> That Lost and Found folder?
[05:25] <DanaG> Where can I find a 32-bit libwnck22?
[05:25]  * RAOF would guess packages.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <DanaG> For some reason, there's only a 64-bit version.  :(
[05:25] <hmw> halow: the only thing on that partition... i never used it since i got the hard drive. isnt that strange?
[05:26] <ganga> hi there
[05:26] <Halow> hmw: It is. I've wondered at it myself. Then I started messing with everything else and quickly forgot. ;)
[05:27] <ganga> does anyone here know about using cinelerra in jaunty alpha 6???
[05:29] <Halow> Sorry. Not me.
[05:30] <ganga> ok
[05:31] <hmw> the new installer is cool because of the fullscreen mode and the new time zone selector, but its overal gotten worse... slower and it doesnt show to which partition i am going to install in step 8 (since i decided not to format it)
[05:34] <Halow> The new time zone thing is quite messed up, I read.
[05:34] <Halow> Lots of European cities are in the wrong countries.
[05:35] <hmw> uh... thats bad
[05:35] <hmw> guess they will check that before release...
[05:35] <hmw> it was easier to use than the old one, regarding the strange, most often not really working scrolling in the map
[05:43] <DanaG> argh, wtf... ia32-apt-get tries to get DEBIAN sources, not my sources.list sources!
[05:45] <Halow> @_@ That's... abnormal?
[05:47] <Amaranth> DanaG: It's most likely hardcoded
[05:47] <DanaG> That's stupid.  =þ
[05:50] <DanaG> ah, I see... it then ALSO goes and gets my real sources.
[05:55] <hmw> lol io error on the cd after i had been asked to remove the media
[05:56] <Amaranth> hmw: heh, brasero always ejects my DVDs then errors out because it can't md5sum them
[06:00] <DanaG> Sometimes when my system is under heavy load, I get random SATA bus resets, so the CD drive will randomly reset.
[06:00] <DanaG> and then if I've chowned and chmodded my sda to use vbox raw disk access... it suddenly resets permissions on sda.
[06:02] <hmw> WOW
[06:02] <hmw> scrolling is MUCH better
[06:02] <hmw> almost no delay when scrolling via mouse wheel - now i can use it again... yeah!
[06:02] <DanaG> !find libgiogconf
[06:02] <DanaG> oh yeahzz, so, this other thing works better:
[06:03] <DanaG> libgiogconf
[06:03] <DanaG> er
[06:03] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790&highlight=getlibs
[06:05] <hmw> uhm... apt-cache search also thousand times faster? why??
[06:06] <hmw> will my isp connection also be better now? lol
[06:06] <Halow> Perhaps?
[06:07] <hmw> where did ccsm go?
[06:11] <DanaG> wtf... memory corruption in strace.
[06:12] <hmw> aha... once again... switching to the main servers brings more available packages... i dont understand, why... is it about local law or soemthing?
[06:12] <hmw> cant be... in austria they dont care as much about copyright issues as americans
[06:19] <maco> hmw: local mirror == broken, maybe?
[06:19] <hmw> its so for over one year... meanwhile i got used to switch to the main server after an install
[06:21] <hmw> hah... nice new bug: in ccsm i cant set the number of workspaces, it only works in the workspace switcher's prefs
[06:25] <crdlb> hmw: how are you setting it?
[06:25] <crdlb> you should be using horizontal and virtual virtual size
[06:26] <hmw> general options / desktop size... it gets set to 2, regardless what number was active before
[06:27] <crdlb> hmw: what is "it"?
[06:27] <hmw> the number of work spaces
[06:27] <crdlb> which setting _exactly_?
[06:28] <hmw> the top most on that page
[06:28] <hmw> gereral options / desktop size / horizontal virtual size
[06:29] <crdlb> hmm, the workspace switcher uses gconf directly
[06:29] <hmw> as i saw several minor cosmetic "bugs" already, i assume they build ubuntu from a very low level base...
[06:30] <hmw> i dont believe, these things are new, but simply not yet polished for jaunty
[06:30] <hmw> must be some awful work to make a new ubuntu
[06:31] <TuTUXG> hmw, huh?
[06:31] <hmw> on jaunty, i saw about 5 small graphical disturbances in this first 30 minutes ...
[06:32] <hmw> but i dont think, these things are newly introduces bugs, i merely believe, these things happen always, when they create a new ubuntu version ...
[06:32] <hmw> so i assume, they must have a big heap of ugly work each time, they create a new release.
[06:34] <hmw> in other words: my picture is, they dont simply "upgrade" the previous release but create it more or less anew from scratch
[06:34] <Hobbsee> incorrect.
[06:34] <hmw> indeed?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:35] <TuTUXG> hmw, they basically take whatever in debian "testing" branch and patch them with ubuntu patches
[06:35] <hmw> TuTUXG: thats more like what i imagined.
[06:36] <hmw> does anyone else expirience that bug in ccsm?
[06:37] <TuTUXG> hmw, what bug?
[06:37] <hmw> when i try to change the number of workspaces in gereral options / desktop size / horizontal virtual size, the number gets reset to 2, regardless, what i set in the work space switcher (where it works) before
[06:38] <Hobbsee> are you running metacity or compiz
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ?
[06:38] <hmw> i think metacity WITH compiz
[06:38] <hmw> not??
[06:38] <Killeroid> hmw: i noticed that too a few months ago. i am on intrepid
[06:38] <TuTUXG> no, you can only run one at a time
[06:39] <hmw> its just a fresh standard install, desktop effects were working from the beginning.
[06:39] <TuTUXG> hmw, do you have fusion-icon installed?
[06:39] <hmw> uh... okay... thought metacity was below the composite manager... did they integrate the window manager into compiz?
[06:39] <TuTUXG> compiz is a window manager
[06:40] <DanaG> It just happens to have a decorator that can use metacity themes.
[06:40] <hmw> no, its a composite manager, not exactly the same
[06:40] <TuTUXG> !compiz
[06:40] <TuTUXG> !metacity
[06:40] <hmw> when it was not yet fusion, the two things were separated...
[06:41] <TuTUXG> hmw, compiz-fusion is installed by default in jaunty afaik
[06:41] <hmw> looks like that, TuTUXG
[06:42] <hmw> but wasnt that so in 8.10 or even earlier, too?
[06:42] <TuTUXG> since hardy i think
[06:42] <TuTUXG> or could be earlier
[06:42] <dtchen> TuTUXG: it's actually Debian unstable, but otherwise, you're correct
[06:43] <TuTUXG> dtchen, thanks
[06:43] <dtchen> however, there're significantly numerous source packages that are synced directly from Debian unstable, too
[06:45] <TuTUXG> hmw, what I suggest is that you can switch to metacity, change whatever settings you want under ccsm then switch back to compiz, that may work
[06:45] <TuTUXG> or just go to #compiz-fusion for help
[06:45] <hmw> i can change the setting via preferences of the work space switcher. it was not a support question, but just a comment on my first expiriences
[06:46] <crdlb> what are the option names in the workspace switcher?
[06:46] <hmw> just look
[06:46] <hmw> the number is 2 if you didnt change it already
[06:46] <hmw> its "columns"
[06:47] <crdlb> Columns and Rows?
[06:47] <hmw> forget about the rows, if you want to use the cube
[06:47] <crdlb> yes
[06:47] <crdlb> I'm trying to verify that it's in "compiz mode"
[06:48] <hmw> just switch the workspace. if the switch is animated (sort of scrolling), youre compiz is active
[06:48] <crdlb> I mean your workspace switcher
[06:48] <hmw> aah... it is, for sure *g*
[06:49] <hmw> i take it, your ccsm doesnt do it?
[06:49] <crdlb> works fine here
[06:49] <hmw> ic
[06:49] <hmw> just my luck with ubuntu, as usual *g*
[06:49] <hmw> 5 pcs and none really working good
[06:49] <hmw> well... jaunty might be chaning that
[06:50] <crdlb> it's not released yet :/
[06:51] <o0Chris0o> hmw: you being really negative, ubuntu is great, also have to realize Jaunty isn't offically out yet or supported as well
[06:51] <hmw> i try not to sound too much like complaining, because that is certainly not on my mind
[06:51] <o0Chris0o> hmw: also, I'm sure you can at least find some, if not all solutions to problems your having in ubuntu forums
[06:52] <hmw> and its just a fact, that my broken, old pcs, made of scrap material, just dont like linux very much :)
[06:52] <o0Chris0o> hmw: try a earlier version
[06:52] <hmw> o0Chris0o: please read my 2nd last sentence again
[06:53] <hmw> and: i am not here for support, i want to communicate about the alpha
[06:53] <hmw> simply dont answer, if my text is not formulated as a question, okay?
[06:54] <TuTUXG> hmw, are all the updates been installed?
[06:54] <hmw> not yet... just wanted to look at the fresh intall before updating
[06:54] <sebsebseb> hmw: I am sure Puppy Linux wil run on thos old PC's nicely :)
[06:54] <hmw> but the ccsm thingy might be repaired already... thanks for the hint
[06:54] <sebsebseb> hmw: and Damn Small Linux is bound to
[06:55] <hmw> nah its either ubuntu or LFS
[06:55] <hmw> and when i install a ubuntu, i simulate being a normal user
[06:55] <o0Chris0o> hmw: I have, what I said still stands, all I am saying, don't be so negative :D ubuntu is a great distro, just have to find the right one that will work with your older PC's
[06:55] <hmw> i love ubuntu, because its so good developed in terms of "normal user compatibility"
[06:55] <DanaG> How old is this old hardware you speak of?
[06:56] <hmw> between 800MHz and 3GHz, mostly celerons
[06:56] <hmw> and all desktops have ati gpus
[06:56] <DanaG> mmm, vegetables.
[06:56] <SandGorgon> hmw: do try slitaz - 25mb linux distro with a nice GUI
[06:57] <hmw> thanks for the hints, but i want ubuntu *g* i just love it
[06:57] <hmw> i am not so negative about it, as i sounded before... sorry for that
[06:57] <DanaG> How do I make metacity ALWAYS set always-on-top for a specific app?
[06:57] <hmw> DanaG: hah, i want that too. i think, its not planned to be possible in gnome`, but might be mistaken
[06:58] <hmw> aah
[06:58] <hmw> moment
[06:58] <hmw> right click on the title bar?
[06:58] <hmw> nah
[06:58] <hmw> always... i got you right
[06:59] <hmw> would be nice with a virtual box in fullscreen (not always on top can lead to get the virtual screen overlapped with the gnome panels)
[07:01] <DanaG> ugh, pulseaudio virtual monitor sources have a lag of over one full second.
[07:02] <TuTUXG> DanaG, surprised?
[07:03] <DanaG> Well, it didn't used to lag so horribly.
[07:03] <hmw> this is a real question: when starting upgrade manager, it tells me about not all updates being possible to install. When I click on "partial upgrade" it starts a distro upgrade. Shall I let this dist upgrade run?
[07:03] <DanaG> And using raw recording on the sound card to use stereo mix... actually doesn't lag.
[07:04] <hmw> (added medibuntu repos before)
[07:04] <DanaG> You know, I'd expect the virtual one to have LOWER latency, because it could be done in software before even sending the data to the sound card.
[07:05] <TuTUXG> hmw, shouldn't be a problem
[07:05] <dtchen> that depends on a number of factors, the most important of which is the host's kernel and hardware
[07:06] <dtchen> if you're not running my test kernel, you're likely to see much, much greater jitter in a VM
[07:06] <dtchen> i.e., you need at least that kernel running on both the host and the guest(s) to even baseline
[07:06] <hmw> you know, why it talks about distribution upgrade at all? is it the beta, which might be considered a new distro?
[07:07] <DanaG> oh yeah, and I'm using this on the host with the bare USB sound card.
[07:08] <TuTUXG> hmw, no idea
[07:08] <TuTUXG> hmw, are you using medibuntu's repo for jaunty?
[07:08] <hmw> yes
[07:09] <TuTUXG> or you can use synaptic to check what is holding you back
[07:09] <hmw> in the first moment i thought, i had used the 8.10 repo, and it was trying to up/downgrade to 8.10
[07:09] <TuTUXG> or apt-get
[07:10] <hmw> must be related to the pre-release status, i guess.
[07:10] <hmw> my first impression is: very promising
[07:10] <TuTUXG> ha
[07:10] <hmw> everything so far worked out of the box
[07:11] <TuTUXG> from my experience, never use mixed repos
[07:12] <hmw> i wouldnt do intentionally
[07:12] <TuTUXG> and always do a upgrade after a fresh install, especially for alpha
[07:12] <TuTUXG> and beta
[07:13] <hmw> aha...? i'd like to understand that better. what does an upgrade mean exactly?
[07:13] <TuTUXG> just like a apt-get upgrade
[07:13] <hmw> as for now, i cant understand, that there already is that option for jaunty
[07:14] <hmw> upgrade from 9.04a to what?
[07:14] <TuTUXG> i mean do it manually
[07:14] <TuTUXG> no, i mean upgrade your packages
[07:14] <hmw> do you mean the normal update?
[07:15] <TuTUXG> ya
[07:15] <TuTUXG> before you install any additional/3rd party packages
[07:16] <hmw> yeah... i just forgot, that i started examining the non-updated fresh install, when focussing on these small bugs
[07:16] <hmw> usually i update too... no question
[07:16] <hmw> i am just too excited about the fantastic scrolling performance
[07:17] <hmw> its really a huge difference on this notebook, compared to any prior version
[07:17] <TuTUXG> it's important to be uptodate if you want to test the alpha/beta/rc
[07:17] <fukid> hi... i have just updated to 9.04 alpha, but i can't start the NIVDIA driver . my Driver is 180.37 and my graphic card is 9800GT , any suggestion?
[07:18] <hmw> that should be trivial... i just wasnt thinking :)
[07:18] <DanaG> Hah, you know what really sucks? nvidia 96 driver... just segfaults Xorg.
[07:18] <DanaG> Yay.
[07:18] <TuTUXG> i thought they fixed that?
[07:19] <DanaG> Not last time I tried, approximately yesterday.
[07:19] <hmw> guess you try every day again? lol
[07:19] <TuTUXG> DanaG, why do you like that driver that much? you know it's old
[07:20] <TuTUXG> and buggy
[07:20] <DanaG> Do you have a driver for the GeForce4-is-really-only-a-2 MX?
[07:20]  * DanaG takes a Yugo and brands it with the Ferarri... because all that matters is the name!
[07:21] <DanaG> s/Ferarri/Ferrari/
[07:21] <TuTUXG> nv
[07:22] <DanaG> Or more specifically, it hangs at logon.
[07:22] <TuTUXG> ha
[07:22] <fukid> :S
[07:22] <DanaG> And then if I hit my ACPI hotkey I actually bound to 'killall -9 compiz.real'.... _then_ Xorg segfaults.
[07:23] <TuTUXG> DanaG, try not start compiz at start up?
[07:23] <DanaG> Tried that.  Still segfaults, but just earlier.
[07:25] <TuTUXG> DanaG, no idea...
[07:27] <DanaG> hmm, how long after the start of a day does cron run daily tasks?
[07:28] <hmw> i'd expect a setting for each entry... wouldnt be very good, if all daily tasks would start at the same time...!?
[07:29] <hmw> last time, i used cron, it had only one conf file...
[07:29] <TuTUXG> DanaG, 6:25?
[07:29] <hmw> 3:14:15?
[07:30] <TuTUXG> check your /etc/crontab
[07:30] <DanaG> 25 6	* * *	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
[07:32] <DanaG> 6am?  Ah.
[07:33] <TuTUXG> seems to be
[07:33] <hmw> TuTUXG: did you guess 6:25 or is that some default?
[07:33] <TuTUXG> no i checked it ;P
[07:33] <hmw> lol
[07:33] <hmw> alright
[07:36] <TuTUXG> DanaG, 6am is too early for you?
[07:37] <DanaG> No, I wanted my daily backup job to start at the stroke of midnight.
[07:37] <DanaG> =þ
[07:37] <TuTUXG> ha
[07:42] <hmw> aah... i see a new background image
[07:44] <TuTUXG> cool
[07:45] <hmw> checkbox.ini...?  ...INI??
[07:47] <rom> hi
[07:47] <rom> my ext4 totally crashed, I don't know why
[07:47] <rom> file system check failed
[07:48] <TuTUXG> hmw, calm down, its not like its a dll
[07:48] <hmw> okay.
[07:48] <rom> I tried a fsck, but it doesn't resolve problem
[07:48] <rom> (moreover the /home was crypted)
[07:49] <rom> I have to format, but I would like to know how this was happened
[07:49] <TuTUXG> hmw, although you may be terrified if you take a look at /usr/lib/mono/
[07:49] <hmw> uhm... not sure, if i want to know...
[07:49] <hmw> but wait... isnt mono the linux version of .net or soemthing?
[07:50] <TuTUXG> ya
[07:50] <DanaG> ugh, have any of you tried mouseover-ing the notifications when there are TWO of them up?  It's rather hideous.
[07:50] <TuTUXG> rom, what did you do to break it?
[07:50] <DanaG> Oh, and it doesn't fade at all.
[07:50] <rom> hmm, I rebooted ?
[07:50] <DanaG> It just BLINKS to transparent.
[07:51] <TuTUXG> DanaG, ya...
[07:51] <maco> there shouldnt be two up....
[07:51] <DanaG> And gnome-power-manager still uses the OLD ui.
[07:51] <maco> but blink to transparent = you dont have compiz running
[07:51] <rom> it works fine since I installed alpha 4, but since yesterday, ext4 has totally crashed
[07:51] <DanaG> I can't use compiz right now.
[07:51] <DanaG> fglrx panics... and radeon r600 doesn't do 3D.
[07:51] <maco> fading/blurring only work with compiz ..and i think kwin...but kwin's broken on my machine right now
[07:51] <rom> after running fsck, nothing works
[07:51] <TuTUXG> DanaG, and under compiz it flicks once when it fades away
[07:51] <rom> I have a grub error 17
[07:52] <DanaG> Try having track-change notifications on in some media app, and then hit a track-change hotkey.
[07:52] <maco> rom: did you fsck a mounted (even read-only) drive?
[07:52] <TuTUXG> rom, pushed the power button?
[07:52] <DanaG> In my case, I use ctrl-alt-home is play-pause; c-a-pgup is prev; c-a-pgdn is next; c-a-end is stop.
[07:52] <rom> I don't know, on boot after "file system check failed", it gives me a root shell, and said me to execute fsck
[07:53] <TuTUXG> maco, animations will work under metacity if you enable compositing
[07:53] <rom> TuTUXG, the first time I was not able to reboot, no it was a clean reboot
[07:54] <DanaG> But hey, at least radeon kicks nouveau's ass in terms of not BASHING the CPU.
[07:54] <rom> I managed to reboot ~correctly once after fsck, but many things were broken
[07:54] <TuTUXG> rom: did you fsck a mounted (even read-only) drive?
[07:54] <rom> for example, ls ~/.ssh said io error …
[07:54] <rom> TuTUXG, I don't know
[07:54] <maco> TuTUXG: there was just a dispute on a mailing list about whether compiz's blur plugin was required. someone said only compiz could do it because others dont have blur. i *thought* they were wrong, but since kwin's compositing is busted here, i lacked proof. thank you.
[07:55] <maco> fsck should be run from live cds or from the "its doing itself during boot" only
[07:55]  * DanaG reaches above his LCD and pops out the little keyboard light.
[07:55] <DanaG> =þ
[07:55] <maco> if you run it while / is mounted, you'll likely trash the filesystem
[07:55] <maco> dtchen lost his system a couple weeks ago from that
[07:55] <rom> maybe that's what I did :(
[07:55] <maco> (yay for backups)
[07:55] <rom> I will format and reinstall alpha 6
[07:56] <DanaG> how do you force the thing to fsck if you get that no-space-left-on-device error, and then can't 'touch /forcefsck'?
[07:56] <TuTUXG> maco, you are right, only compiz can do blur afaik
[07:56] <maco> DanaG: ext3 reserves space for root's-use-only
[07:56] <rom> do you know (by curiosity) how to keep a crypted /home partition when reinstalling?
[07:56] <maco> DanaG: so root still can touch it
[07:56] <maco> DanaG: other than that, rm everything in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:56] <maco> DanaG: that should clear some megs
[07:56] <DanaG> That's not the issue, though -- the issue is when you get a FALSE "out of space"
[07:56] <DanaG> ... and have to fsck to fix it.
[07:57] <maco> i didnt know you could get a false one O_o
[07:57] <DanaG> Oh, I know one thing you can do: boot with break=top
[07:57] <DanaG> It's an ext4 bug.
[07:57] <maco> oh
[07:57] <maco> live cd?
[07:57] <maco> live cd could still fsck
[07:57] <crdlb> yes
[07:57] <DanaG> heh, random thing:
[07:58] <DanaG> I tried OS X on my EliteBook, and too many things were broken for me to bother trying to get working.  NO wired or wireless network, and no video or sound driver.
[07:58] <DanaG> So, rather than dealing with a hassle setting up an OS I _don't even like_... I just said, "well, now I know what works"... and then booted right back into Linux and basked in the wonderful not-sucky window manager.
[07:59] <DanaG> =þ
[07:59] <TuTUXG> hahaha
[07:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, handy hint: alt-leftdrag moves a window; alt-middledrag resizes.
[08:01] <TuTUXG> hurd anyone?
[08:09] <tgpraveen> gnu/hurd kenel?
[08:23] <hmw> oops? just got kicked out of the gnome session...
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> were you hanging out with the traveling gnome?
[08:24] <hmw> huh??
[08:25] <o0Chris0o> was a joke
[08:25] <o0Chris0o> forgive my humor
[08:25] <hmw> alright... i am not a native english speaker, so i sometimes cant differentiate between a figure of speech and a joke
[08:26] <hmw> well... that gnome certainly had some urgend appointment and left me *g*
[08:27] <o0Chris0o> hmw: ahh thats fine, where are you from hmw?
[08:27] <hmw> vienna
[08:27] <o0Chris0o> is that italy?
[08:28] <hmw> austria. we speak german. (south to germany)
[08:28] <o0Chris0o> ohhh my bad, thats cool
[08:29] <o0Chris0o> always nice to meet someone from a different country :)
[08:29] <hmw> yes... thats one of the things i enjoy a lot in #ubuntu
[08:30] <o0Chris0o> you should join in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[08:30] <hmw> i am there sometimes
[08:30] <o0Chris0o> ahh ok
[08:34] <hmw> funny thing is, that me beging a night owl allows me to have lots of conversations with people from the other side of the globe a lot
[08:34] <DanaG> heh, funny term, "night owl"... after all, is there such a thing as a "day owl"?
[08:34] <DanaG> Aren't ALL owls nocturnal?
[08:34] <DanaG> =þ
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> DanaG:no
[08:35] <DanaG> ah.
[08:35] <o0Chris0o> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=are+all+owls+nocturnal
[08:36] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:36] <o0Chris0o> funny lil website lmgtfy
[08:37] <DanaG> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=
[08:37] <hmw> lol
[08:37] <DanaG> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=.
[08:37] <hmw> No, not owls are strictly nocturnal, although the vast majority do follow a nocturnal lifestyle. .
[08:38] <hmw> i had biology a long time ago
[08:38] <DanaG> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%3D%C3%BE
[08:38] <o0Chris0o> heh
[08:39] <hmw> lmgtfy... great thing for certain #ubuntu newbs
[08:39] <DanaG> http://tinyurl.com/croh5h
[08:40] <DanaG> now THAT'S a spinner.  =þ
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:40] <DanaG> None of that \ | / - \ | / - \ | / -
[08:41] <o0Chris0o> ok guys, we should keep the OT to a minimum
[08:44] <DanaG> http://live.lmgtfy.com/
[08:46] <DanaG> faaake... nothing I'm entering is showing up.  =þ
[08:46] <o0Chris0o> its from a log
[08:46] <DanaG> Not very LIVE, for sure.
[08:46] <DanaG> I tried entering this:  ¿uʍop ǝpısdn ǝןʇʇıן ɐ s,pןɹoʍ ǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ op
[08:47] <o0Chris0o> DanaG:how did you do that
[08:47] <DanaG> It's a trick: upside-down unicode text.
[08:48] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[08:48] <o0Chris0o> ok
[08:49] <DanaG> ‏‮And in Pidgin, you can do backwards text with unicode control characters.‬‬
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> cool
[08:50] <DanaG> Add a Right-to-Left Mark (RLM) and an RLO (...override) -- and then end with two "PDF" (pop directional formatting).
[08:50] <DanaG> otherwise, you break your logs.
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> woot http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/09/30/want-an-iphone-on-verizon/
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> ops wrong chan
[08:51]  * DanaG doesn't want an iPhone -- I can't stand Apple's attitude.
[08:51] <DanaG> They're the very opposite of Free Software.
[08:52] <hmw> the simple-ccsm looks quite good, was about time to have a simpler conf... i dont want to check it out fully, so I ask you: how good do you think is it really?
[09:05] <DanaG> o0Chris0o: http://www.whatsmyip.org/upsidedowntext/
[09:13] <hmw> yeah! jaunty likes my sound card
[09:13] <podman99b> hey guys and gals... how long till ubuntu support n-trig multi-touch??
[09:14] <hmw> podman99b: you tell us... when do you start coding?
[09:15] <podman99b> heh ... my c is a little rusty
[09:15] <podman99b> is it not in the latest kernel updates? although that dont solve calibration and settings
[09:15] <hmw> tbh. i have no idea
[09:15] <hmw> i avoid using the touchpad
[09:16] <DanaG> n-trig?  what is n-trig?
[09:16] <podman99b> not even multi touch to be honest... just ability to use pen and calibrate screen would be good
[09:16] <podman99b> n-trig is digitizer similar to wacom but allows finger and multitouch
[09:18] <DanaG> ah, the TX2z uses it.
[09:18] <podman99b> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-11/msg07410.html <-- i think is patch for kernel for support which i believe is availiable in 2.6.8
[09:18] <podman99b> yea i use the tx2 1010ea
[09:19] <DanaG> oh yeah, I really wish I could buy an addon n-trig layer thingy for my current laptop -- aftermarket.
[09:19] <podman99b> so i take it 9.04 does not have support for this yet then?
[09:19] <podman99b> hope its in 9.10
[09:19] <DanaG> If you haven't upgraded yet, you can try the LiveCD.
[09:20] <DanaG> If you have upgraded, you can try the 2.6.29 kernel, but be aware that you might not be able to use fglrx with it.
[09:20] <DanaG> http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2009/02/jaunty-kernel-bits.html
[09:20] <podman99b> ive tried 9.04 in wubi ... upgraded from 8.10
[09:20] <Hobbsee> jaunty has 2.6.28, so it should be there.  If that's the kernel you're actually meaning
[09:21] <podman99b> that yea soz...
[09:22] <podman99b> no utils to calibrate... i can move the mouse with it but it does not listen to clicks... and without calibration then it really sucks,.... only moves to TOP left of screen lol
[09:28] <podman99b> ok ... so with development... how would i start/join in ? or do i just have to "know" where to start?
[09:28] <DanaG> heh, my ctcp version string (beware: ctcp in #ubuntu channels == ban):  "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!"
[09:28] <cwillu> podman99b, start with the mailing lists
[09:28] <cwillu> podman99b, might also want to file a bug on launchpad (as a wishlist item if nothing else)
[09:29] <podman99b> launchpad it is... thanks guys
[09:29] <cwillu> podman99b, sounds like you need better xorg driver support, and a front-end for configuration (which wacom could reuse as well)
[09:29] <cwillu> (wacom really needs help on that front :)
[09:29] <podman99b> they have made their own then??
[09:30] <cwillu> their own what?
[09:30] <cwillu> and who is they? :p
[09:30] <podman99b> i know n-trig is new ish and appear to have no commercial suport for their hardware on linux
[09:30] <cwillu> "<podman99b> they have made their own then??" still don't understand what you mean
[09:31] <podman99b> wacom.. ? they made their own drivers ? since we need better driver support
[09:31] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps it'd be good to find out who, at HP, works with Canonical for the MIE stuff (lots of private LP# bug reports), and have them have HP try to get help with the tablet thingy.
[09:32] <dtchen> i met the guys at last US who do, but i don't know if OEM services would appreciate me handing out that info ;)
[09:32] <dtchen> UDS*
[09:32] <DanaG> I'm sure they wouldn't.
[09:32] <DanaG> I mean, you go the other direction:
[09:32] <DanaG> I've been looking at the "dennis" package changelogs on the hardy-hpmini.  =þ
[09:33] <DanaG> There must be somebody named Dennis there, somewhere.  =þ
[09:33] <podman99b> i know that ... ubuntu would benifit from being one of the 1st *nix's to get tablet support in this way, as not long till this stuff is availiable everywhere
[09:33] <DanaG> by "the other direction", I mean, you talk to HP, and try to get them to talk to the n-trig company.
[09:34] <DanaG> I'm sure an OEM would have a bit more clout with them than $RANDOM_INDIVIDUAL.
[09:34] <DanaG> I do understand the necessity of confidentiality and such.  =þ   "The other direction" will respect that.
[09:34] <hmw> playing one xvid and one mp3 --> load average 1.8+
[09:37] <dtchen> hmw: that's not unexpected. are you at least running current jaunty with my test kernel?
[09:37] <hmw> no idea... just downloaded the i386 image
[09:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, latest kernel update overwrote the audio-bugfix kernel.
[09:38] <hmw> 2.1 lol
[09:38] <hmw> okay... at least it works
[09:38] <dtchen> DanaG: which is fine, since i've since refreshed the fix
[09:39] <hmw> average cpu usage is like 50%... i wonder, how the load can be > 1??
[09:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I guess I don't really need 2.6.29, after all.
[09:47] <cwillu> hmw, load isn't cpu usage
[09:47] <hmw> cpu usage roughly 50% while load 1.8+ ... i dont understand that
[09:47] <hmw> load should be loke 0.5 in this case, right?
[09:47] <hmw> like
[09:47] <cwillu> if you have 2 apps on a 1000hz timer in sync, that don't actually do anything, you'll see that
[09:48] <hmw> (50% including io and all others)
[09:48] <cwillu> hmw, load is 'average number of processes waiting to run)
[09:48] <DanaG> i.e. iowait and such.
[09:48] <hmw> uhm... ah yes... thats something different... but... 50% idle and processes waiting, how would be that?
[09:48] <cwillu> or even just timeslice overheads
[09:48] <DanaG> Waiting on hard drive or such.
[09:48] <DanaG> Timeslice overloads?
[09:49] <hmw> i start getting a picture... *shrug*
[09:50] <cwillu> hmw, install and run latencytop
[09:50] <cwillu> should give you some sense
[09:50] <hmw> cool... thx
[09:55] <podman99b> ah guys.... http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8174#p36841 multi touch not proper due in *nix till june?!
[09:56] <DanaG> yay, around time for my birthday.
[09:57] <podman99b> hehe yea early for mine... but im an impaitent man
[10:08] <hmw> skype killed my sound... how can i restart the sound drivers?
[10:09] <hmw> oops... it just came back... including the logon sound...
[10:09] <hmw> are skype problems common with the alpha?
[10:12] <Jordan_U> hmw, I know that skype has problems with pulseaudio in general, did you make sure that the pulse "device" is chosen in skype?
[10:13] <hmw> i made sure, it is not chosen, since skype only works with the device "AIT IXP0,0
[10:13] <hmw> uhm... something alike
[10:15] <Jordan_U> hmw, I don't use skype but IIRC there should be a pulse device as an option, that will route skype through pulseaudio so that it doesn't conflict with anything else
[10:15] <hmw> that makes my skype silent
[10:16] <hmw> one of the reasons with 8.10 was, that i couldnt use sound in general... crashed after a few seconds (some POLLERR in the syslog)
[10:16] <hmw> in jaunty, sound works generally (music, vid) but skype is still having problems.
[10:16] <Jordan_U> hmw, Maybe pulseaudio is muted, can you play the test sound in System > Preferences > Sound ?
[10:16] <hmw> would that certainly be via pulse??
[10:17] <hmw> checking...
[10:17] <Jordan_U> hmw, It should go through pulse by default, you can also explicitly set it to pulse to test
[10:17] <hmw> ah... no... in jaunty skype is not silent with pulse... sorry for the mixup... sound gets scrambled.
[10:18] <hmw> for some reason, the current skype call didnt stop for over 7 minutes now...
[10:18] <Unggnu> VLC opengl output seems to be broken in Jaunty. Does anyone know a workaround?
[10:18]  * hmw isntalls vnc
[10:19] <hmw> vlc of course...
[10:19] <Unggnu> hmw: thx :)
[10:20] <hmw> correction: *tries to install*
[10:20] <Unggnu> I need opengl because of the fglrx tearing problem
[10:21] <Jordan_U> Unggnu, Are you talking about the problem when using compiz?
[10:21] <Unggnu> Jordan_U: no, without compiz
[10:22] <Unggnu> xv of FGLRX has no vsync at least for r7xx
[10:23] <hmw> vlc with opengl shows a normal picture with an flv
[10:24] <hmw> (radeon in a notebook, no fglrx)
[10:24] <hmw> (and with compiz)
[10:25] <Unggnu> hmw: Even fullscreen?
[10:25] <Unggnu> Better would be a higher resolution material like a normal avi but thanks anyway.
[10:25] <hmw> looking good
[10:26] <Unggnu> I have the same problem with intel driver so I guess it is a vlc one
[10:26] <hmw> i can take a highres xvid...
[10:26] <Unggnu> hmw: have you changed to opengl video output first?
[10:26] <hmw> yes
[10:26] <Unggnu> hm, weird
[10:27] <hmw> running xvid in maximized window: looks good, but i sometimes have a strange bug with vids (also in totem) where they suddely start showing about 1 fps
[10:27] <Jordan_U> hmw, Were you able to hear the test sound through pulseaudio?
[10:27] <hmw> but i am quite sure, thats another issue
[10:27] <Unggnu> hmw: compiz I guess
[10:27] <hmw> no, because when i tried using skype with pulse, the sound was scrambled
[10:28] <hmw> so its definetively not muted
[10:28] <hmw> vlc xvid fullscreen: fine.
[10:30] <hmw> must ne your hardware configuration, Unggnu
[10:30] <Unggnu> Thought so too but mplayer works with OpenGL fine and I had the same problem with intel driver
[10:30] <Unggnu> weird ...
[10:31] <hmw> indeed.
[10:35] <hmw> when looking to my /var/log/messages, i dont see any pulse related entries besides alsa not being able to access front pcm, because it was busy...
[10:35] <hmw> syslog doesnt show much, either. any idea, what would cause pulse/skype to create stuttering sound?
[10:35] <Unggnu> Skype uses pulse?
[10:36] <hmw> i tried, but it was not really usable
[10:36] <Unggnu> I guess the problem is, that it doesn't and they fight for there alsa rights :)
[10:36] <hmw> (yes, i have options for pulse in skype)
[10:37] <hmw> there should be no struggle, if skype is the single app running on my screen
[10:37] <hmw> or should there be?
[10:37] <hmw> could
[10:38] <hmw> or is playback while recording also considered concurrent audio?
[10:38] <Unggnu> I don't think so
[10:38] <hmw> well... i will keep blaming skype, because skype is just evil *g*
[10:39] <hmw> and it's ui is not so well designed
[10:39] <Unggnu> Pulse is relatively new and Skype is proprietary so I think it doesn't support pulse but you can check in the options/feature list
[10:40] <hmw> i wont bother trying to repair sound, until i have read some stuff about the sound internals of linux... without knowledge debugging is very frustrating... skype voice is not so important for me... (as a text IM it sadly is)
[10:43] <hmw> what program is writing "-- MARK --" to messages?
[10:45] <tgpraveen> hmw just switch to empathy and jingle/jabber for av chat
[10:45] <tgpraveen> or use SIP protocol with empathy/ekiga
[10:45] <hmw> cant, need skype (customers, working collegues who wont switch)
[10:46] <hmw> i tried to provide team speak, they didnt like it...
[10:48] <hmw> maybe i should switch my friends and customers...
[10:49] <tgpraveen> hmw:  maybe u can switch them to google talk. that would be easier and would still let u chat with them
[10:57] <Jordan_U> hmw, Removing pulseaudio will fix the problem as long as you don't mind missing individual app volume control / network transparency etc
[10:59] <hmw> i dont know "network transparency"
[11:00] <kebabskal> hello!
[11:00] <kebabskal> any progress on fglrx support in jaunty?
[11:00] <hmw> when using alsa or the entry showing ATI IXP 0, sound works only with one app... is that normal?
[11:01] <hmw> just apt-get remove pulseaudio?
[11:07] <kebabskal> can i downgrade xorg to a version that supports my ati graphics card?
[11:08] <TheInfinity> kebabskal: dont use jaunty?
[11:08] <TheInfinity> kebabskal: which xorg version do you want?
[11:08] <kebabskal> TheInfinity: humm. i think 1.5 should work
[11:10] <TheInfinity> xorg is at 7.4 ...
[11:10] <kebabskal> maybe i meanth xserver or something
[11:10] <kebabskal> humm
[11:10] <kebabskal> lemme google a bit more :D
[11:11] <TheInfinity> kebabskal: if you want to run radeon 9200 with fglrx -> forget it.
[11:25] <hmw> the shadow bug in compiz is back again, too... (shadow of windows from the next workspace drawn on the current, when the window is located at the border)
[11:49] <dennda> Hm. I upgraded my intrepid box to jaunty and now flash ain't work. flashplugin is installed. suggestions?
[11:51] <tgpraveen> kebabskal: keep intrepid and install backports
[11:51] <tgpraveen> best of both worlds
[12:10] <dennda> nvm
[12:17] <popey> dtchen: just tried your kernel to see if it fixes a persisten problem I have which I suspect is pulse related.. if i pause a video, i cant restart it. have also had the problem that when i play a video and stop it, the next video i play has no audio and locks up the player after 6 seconds.
[12:19] <papo> hello
[12:20] <papo> What's the policy in launchpad when it comes to duplicates? are similar bugs marked as duplicate until proven not to be the same bug or are they marked as duplicate after it became clear the likely are dupes?
[12:24] <tgpraveen> hey guys my bluetooth dongle used to work in hardy but doesnt work either in intrepid or jaunty
[12:25] <tgpraveen> in jaunty/intrepid if boot with 2.6.24 kernel then everything works
[12:25] <tgpraveen> i think i once saw a bug report related to this and many ppl were facing this problem
[12:26] <tgpraveen> cant seem to find the link. pls provide if u have. also what is the status of this bug now?
[12:26] <maxb> papo: The ideal place to ask would be #ubuntu-bugs. Any policy would be per-project, i.e. specific to Ubuntu, not Launchpad as a whole. I would suggest that the deciding factor should be whether you truly believe they are likely to share a common root cause or not.
[12:27] <papo> maxb: Ok, I'm sorry for mixing up the channels and always forgetting that launchpad is not specific to ubuntu
[12:29] <gumpert345> hi im running 9.04 kubuntu and I can connect to the internet via a wlan vpn at my univerity, I have to download http://www.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/dienste/internet-zugang/vpn/openvpn.shtml#download  the 3 files that end with .opvn and .crt, but where do I need to copy them?
[12:50] <Dillizar> wow i have installed some updates on my 8.04 and then he request  9.04 cd :D
[12:50] <Dillizar> wow
[12:51] <herrspock> hi, I have upgraded to jaunty alpha. Now, the new kile 2.1 does not recognized dead keys. But kate does.
[12:53] <Milosz> guys
[12:53] <Milosz> what is the "No Indicators" thing at the top in the panel on GNOME 2.26?
[12:53] <Milosz> or maybe it's Ubuntu-specific
[12:54] <Vorbote> herrspock: that could be a settings change problem. Delete the relevant files in ~/.kde4 and try again.
[12:54] <Vorbote> Or is it ~/.kde?
[12:54]  * Vorbote touches KDE with a long pole :-)
[12:55] <herrspock> Vorbote: I'll try that
[12:59] <herrspock> Verbote: it does not work
[13:00] <mefisto__> when does jaunty go beta?
[13:01]  * apw has just updated to the Juanty Beta, and my desktop and application fonts are wrong, specifically _huge_.  starting the appearance preferences application (literally starting it and nothing else) fixes 90% of the fonts ... any ideas ... also what one component to file a bug against
[13:01] <jrib> mefisto__: well when I ran an update-manager -d just now it call it "an beta", whatever that means :)
[13:02] <jrib> apw: I'd guess gnome-settings-daemon
[13:02] <apw> yeah i am leaning there too
[13:02] <adam7> apw: for some reason the fonts manager most of the fonts to 13.3333 size -- setting them back fixed
[13:02]  * apw notes that white on black notifications are pants if your background is the new jaunty background which is mostly black in the top right cornet
[13:03] <apw> yeah i had that too, but i am finding its not changing them that helps
[13:03] <apw> but starting the appearance dialog.  ie. if i logout the issue returns until i start that
[13:03] <adam7> hm. mine changed right back when I changed the font size from 13.333 back to 10
[13:03] <apw> and just the act of starting it, not using it
[13:04] <apw> try logging out and see if it comes back, does for me
[13:04] <apw> the settings remain correct at 10 or whatever, just the used size if huge, until i start the settings applet
[13:04] <adam7> I've rebooted and they're still the right size after I changed them
[13:04] <apw> then they change as the window appearin
[13:04]  * apw goes for a reboot to confirm
[13:05] <adam7> bug 64700
[13:05] <adam7> oops, it's a question
[13:05] <adam7> question 64700
[13:05] <adam7> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/64700
[13:06] <adam7> bug 327386
[13:07] <adam7> and bug 345189
[13:08] <apw> yep definatly persistantly wrong
[13:09] <adam7> apw: did you see the bugs I linked above?
[13:09] <Vorbote> herrspock: I'd suggest that you log out of the graphic session, jump to a console with <ctrl><alt>-F[1-6] log into your account, rename the .kde and .qt directories and reboot. You'll lose your mail from sight (if using kmail) and other data, but it will be in your backup to be restored later. Starting with a clean configuration you can confirm if it is a bug in kile or if there is problems somewhere else in the settings files.
[13:09] <apw> adam7, looking now
[13:10]  * Vorbote needs more coffee.
[13:11] <herrspock> Verbote: I'll do it now
[13:11] <adam7> apw: bug 345189 seems to be the main one -- read the last comment
[13:13] <apw> adam7, that one is clearly the cause of the big jump, but it doesn't explain why i have two sets of sizes
[13:14] <apw> the ones before i start appearance and the ones after
[13:16] <Vorbote> apw: the reason is in fact in the bug's description "some apps do hand made font sizing"
[13:16] <apw> how does that expalin that they change when i start gnome-appearance-preferences
[13:17] <Vorbote> apw: if you decide to use asac's ppa you may as well test his patched GTK+ with automatic subpixel algorithm detection
[13:18] <Vorbote> apw: Because gnome-appereance-preferences tries to do the right thing and enforces font sizes as set in the gconf database.
[13:19] <apw> i guess i'll just wait and see if it gets fixed then
[13:20] <Vorbote> apw: You can temporarily fix it by changing font sizes to points in gnome-appearance-settings (13.333px is roughly equivalent to 10.75pt)
[13:20] <apw> well that didn't fix it for me
[13:21] <apw> that makes the fonts ok,until i next logout/in
[13:21] <Vorbote> At least in my environment. It changes with vidcard+monitor.
[13:21] <Vorbote> You may need to restart the X server.
[13:21] <apw> then i have to run appearance settings again
[13:21] <apw> i rebooted
[13:21] <apw> i suspect something is not being loaded in during login
[13:22] <Dillizar> before i install the 9.04
[13:23] <Dillizar> i will ask again
[13:23] <Dillizar> with time it will not be alfa or beta
[13:23] <Dillizar> right
[13:23] <Dillizar> if i update it all the time it will be normal version
[13:23] <asac> Vorbote: apw: in fact appearence dialog currently does the wrong thing and deliberately resets the sizing to "point" units ... which makes the fonts become bigger. just check that you still have 13.333px in gconf directly. we are working on making appearence dialog smarter in this regards
[13:24] <wolfgang> hi guys
[13:24] <apw> i have this horrible feeling that this new background is triggering an optical illusion, that the top of my screen is smile shaped
[13:24] <mereandor> how can I get a meaningful backtrace for a plasma crash in jaunty? (at the moment the screen gets blank at plasma restarts after a few moments)
[13:24] <wolfgang> i'm on jaunty (cause i had issues with intrepid) and trying to scan for wireless networks.. i installed my wlan-stick.. and it shows my wlan0 interface.. but i can't really scan for networks
[13:24] <wolfgang> tried on my other computer - on which i have 8.10 - and it works.
[13:24] <apw> asac, ok ... so its all a bit of a mess then ... any timescale on gettng the wrinkles out?
[13:24] <wolfgang> meaning: there is a wlan-network available.
[13:24] <asac> apw: yes. we do the backend for beta and appearence dialog after beta most likely
[13:25] <apw> Dillizar, yes, when 9.04 releases in apr it will be the full version, if you update your beta version it will be the same
[13:25] <asac> well its not a change there, but rather make the layer between that dialog and gconf smarter
[13:25] <asac> apw: just unset /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/document_font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name
[13:25] <asac> to get back to what we ship as default
[13:26] <Vorbote> asac: Ahh!! OK. BTW, I sent you a memo with a link to a screenshot of my monitor (in fact two, with grayscale and with subpixel rendering) using your patched GTK
[13:26] <apw> is there some app for mushing about in gnomes registry thing
[13:27] <asac> Vorbote: right. that meme didnt go in as a memor, but was here in the channel ;)
[13:27] <Vorbote> apw: two in fact. gconf-editor and gconftool-2 (gconftool is a link) The first one is graphical
[13:27] <asac> apw: gconf-editor
[13:27] <asac> apw: or gconftool (for command line)
[13:27] <Vorbote> asac: I did send you a new one today as a memo message.
[13:28] <asac> ah ;)
[13:28] <asac> indeed
[13:28] <apw> bah these new notifications don't stay on the screen long enough
[13:28] <asac> i see MemoServ now poking me ;)
[13:28] <apw> i wonder if thats configuable
[13:29] <asac> Vorbote: are you sure that subpixel type is still on "auto" after going into the appearence dialog?
[13:29] <asac> supixel_order that is ;)
[13:29] <adam7> apw: there used to be a notification configuration settings dialog, but it didn't work, and now it is gone afaict
[13:30] <apw> e places a nice white window under the popups so he can even see them
[13:30] <asac> Vorbote: but looks good. thanks.
[13:30] <apw> bah does anyone _test_ these ideas?
[13:30] <asac> Vorbote: now i have to find a way for karmic how to present "auto" in the ui ;)
[13:30] <Vorbote> asac: yes, the gconf database isn't modified
[13:30] <asac> Vorbote: actually with that gtk you can set everything in "font_rendering" gconf to auto
[13:30] <asac> but subpixel_order is of course the main use case
[13:31] <asac> but having everything else o "auto" allows us to do special tweaking with fontconfig for individual fonts/sizes/dpi
[13:31] <asac> e.g. use full hinting with dejavu fonts sized 10 to 15
[13:31] <asac> but use no hinting with japanese font xyz that behaves bad when small
[13:32] <Vorbote> The one in your PPA. 2.16.0-1ubuntu2.asac1
[13:32] <asac> Vorbote: ok good. i think thats fortunate ;) ... every other field except subpixel_order gets somehow reset to something if you open the gnome thing
[13:32] <Vorbote> asac: :-)
[13:32] <asac> Vorbote: yes. thats the gtk that can have "auto" everywhere (e.g. antialiasing, subpixel_order, hinting)
[13:33] <asac> well. you also need the gnome-settings-daemon from my ppa, do you have that?
[13:33] <Vorbote> asac: I'll test that!
[13:34] <Vorbote> asac: Nope. Can you update it to the 2.26.0 release?
[13:34] <asac> Vorbote: yeah. by default it should do almost the same as the gnome thing ... you can tweak your fontconfig in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ or $HOME/.fonts.conf
[13:34] <asac> for things like: no hinting if fonts are small and so on
[13:34] <asac> Vorbote: oh yes.
[13:34] <asac> our gnome guys seem to be slow
[13:35] <asac> i mean i thought they were done with 2.26 transition
[13:35] <asac> and it was still at 2.25.99
[13:35] <Vorbote> Not slower than Fedora. They seem to be letting Ubuntu do the heavy lifting this time.
[13:38] <asac> Vorbote: they usually do that i think. we are releasing 1-2 month before them
[13:38] <asac> with the same gnome
[13:39] <asac> i didnt mean we are slow in general ... just that i thought our gnome folks had finished the transition so i didnt check wehtehr gnome-settings was updated
[13:39] <asac> ok gnome-settings-daemon_2.26.0-0ubuntu2.asac1_source.changes uploaded
[13:42] <Vorbote> asac: Looking forward to install and test.
[13:43] <Othor> is there a way to get evolution to minimize to the new envelope icon that shows up on the top panel?
[13:47] <mereandor> plasma crashes repeatedly but I'm unable to provide a valid bug report because apport fails to generate a valid stack trace. what can I do about it?
[13:54] <robin0800> mereandor: mine did the same note plasma is kde only
[13:57] <diverse_izzue> hi all. i'm trying to upgrade to jaunty, and am running in problems, the updater says it runs into dependency troubles. /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log shows many errors, the first being "Package libc6 has broken dep on belocs-locales-bin". Is this a known one?
[13:59] <mereandor> robin0800: i know that plasma is kde only - but what does that change?
[14:06] <fukid> hi... i have just updated to 9.04 alpha, but i can't start the NIVDIA driver . my Driver is 180.37 and my graphic card is 9800GT , any suggestion?
[14:14] <apw> anyone know what tracker-applet looks like, or where it squats on my screen?  i can't see it
[14:36] <mereandor> fukid: probably nvidia-drivers were not installed properly - if you have recent hardware try 'apt-get install nvidia-glx-180'
[14:38] <leonardof> Hi, there! I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, but I really need to get some data from an ext4 partition. I would like to know the safest way to get support for ext4 in Ubuntu 8.10: recompiling the kernel? installing the kernel from 9.04? TIA
[14:44] <Vorbote> leonardof: recompiling the kernel from 9.04 or compiling a vanilla kernel if you are sure your hardware doesn't need special sauce.
[14:45] <Vorbote> leonardof: in addition you'll need to backport the ext2fs utilities package.
[14:46] <Vorbote> with whatever support libraries necessary...
[14:46] <Vorbote> Soo... leonardof, use RIPLinuX :-)
[14:46]  * leonardof googles for riplinux
[14:49] <leonardof> Vorbote: yes, a rescue disk might be better. Actually I have an issue with it (two hard drives, one cd drive, and only two power cables), but I would have to fix it anytime.
[14:50] <leonardof> Goodbye, I'm going to have lunch and do some shopping
[14:50] <Belboz99> Hey all, I did an "update-manager -d" from Ubuntu 8.10, and while everything for the most part works "OK" I primarily seem to be missing my notifiy-osd.   I have since installed it, and I can test it with "notification-properties" and that all works honkey-dory, but none of my notifications show up.   Any ideas?
[14:53] <Vorbote> Belboz99: you probably need to prune up your gconf database (but I would not know where to start. I always kill all the gconf database except for evolution when upgradign to a new gnome version).
[14:54] <Belboz99> Vorbote: do you have any links describing that process?
[14:56] <LordKow> uh mv .gconf .gconf-bak ?
[14:56] <LordKow> every package should resort to default values when none provided
[14:56] <Vorbote> But first log out the graphical session. jump into a console and make sure gnome-settings-daemon and gconfd are not runnin
[14:57] <Vorbote> running
[14:57] <Belboz99> thanks!
[14:57] <Vorbote> There is also gconf-cleaner but that one can be dangerous because it is overzealous.
[15:11] <nacho> Hi
[15:11] <mib_6wxyml> nacho: hi
[15:12] <nacho> is the fingerprint reader working on jaunty? I mean the one that says the release notes of gnome 2.26
[15:15] <Belboz99> Okay, that didn't quite work for the notification daemon :(
[15:16] <Belboz99> I have this strange "applet" in my application bar that shows "No Indicators" but I can't right-click or left click on it, it's completely no-responsive
[15:18] <mib_6wxyml> nacho: humm my never worked! any link on that?
[15:19] <nacho> mib_6wxyml, I've found it, search fprint on the apt
[15:32] <Numbers> ooh doesn't the topic need changing to say beta instead of alpha now?
[15:33] <Belboz99> Okay, I'm getting a gint error when trying to load the notify-osd now
[15:34] <Belboz99> GLib-GObject-WARNING **: value "0" of type `gint' is invalid or out of range for property `pixels-per-em' of type `gint'
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Numbers: no, the last image released is Alpha 6
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Beta is not out until 2009-03-26
[15:35] <Numbers> charlie-tca, looks like I can't read :D
[15:35] <Numbers> I took the freeze to mean its pretty much a beta
[15:35] <charlie-tca> neither can I half the time
[15:35] <Belboz99> anyone care to tackle my problem with notify-osd?
[15:36] <Belboz99> I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 using update-manager -d
[15:36] <Belboz99> but notify-osd never installed
[15:36] <Belboz99> and now that it's installed, it doesn't run
[15:39] <Numbers> anyone know when ruby1.9.1 is due to hit the repos?
[16:20] <Deathray> What is the proper command to upgrade to 9.04 ?
[16:21] <Numbers> Deathray, update-manager -d
[16:22] <Deathray> Thanks ! :)
[16:23] <Vorbote> asac: I have the screenshots
[16:24] <Vorbote> asac: with subpixel rendering http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7018/rgbaautosubpixel.png
[16:24] <Vorbote> asac: with grayscale http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5697/rgbaautograyscale.png
[16:25] <Vorbote> asac you'll notice the values in the terminal. Those are before and after opening the appearance applet and closing it.
[16:25] <Numbers> is it me or did font rendering go really funny in the last couple of days?
[16:26] <Vorbote> asac: as well, I found that aMule has font sizing problems too, I wonder if the problem is aMule or wxGTK... http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5631/screenshotamule223.png
[16:27] <Vorbote> asac: brb
[16:41] <knittl> is it a bug, that fonts in X applications (like gitk) are so huge?
[16:42] <vishalrao> i thot the font settings went to 13.33, changing it back to 10 in system->preferences->appearance->font tab
[16:43] <vishalrao> fixes it
[16:44] <knittl> didn't for me
[16:44] <knittl> fonts are normal in other apps (after changing back)
[16:44] <NotADJ> Will 9.04 have OO.o 3 and FF 3.1?
[16:44] <vishalrao> knittl: restart X ?
[16:45] <tUtuxg> NotADJ, i doubt ff 3.1 could make it
[16:45] <vishalrao> NotADJ: ooo yes, ff 3.5 (as its now known) probably not
[16:45] <knittl> vishalrao: nop
[16:48] <tgpraveen> NotADJ: oo 3.01 ff 3.0.7
[16:48] <tgpraveen> 3.1 is not going to be released by mozilla they are releasing it as 3.5 but aftr a few months only
[16:49] <NotADJ> Oh
[16:49] <NotADJ> Will it be in the repos once it comes out. (Why isn't oo.o3 in repos?)
[16:50] <Numbers> ruby1.9.1 needs putting into repos too
[16:52] <NotADJ> Seems as if Ubuntu repos have been becoming stale.
[16:52] <NotADJ> Expecially Ruby
[16:52] <tgpraveen> NotADJ: nope. repos contain releases only if they are of the same release series
[16:52] <tgpraveen> u will have ppa though
[16:52] <tgpraveen> ask calc for oo
[16:53] <NotADJ> tgpraveen: Didn't 8.04 go from FF2 => 3?
[16:54] <tgpraveen> dnt knw . maybe coz its a LTR
[16:54] <NotADJ> Anyone throwing a release party
[16:54] <NotADJ> ?
[17:01] <timo> hi, as im typing i have 100 cpu usage, its pulseaudio. Can any one help me trouble shoot this bug.
[17:02] <NotADJ> timo: Seems common from what I hear.
[17:02] <timo> ohh thank god
[17:02] <timo> Any one know if its going to be fixed in time
[17:04] <timo> I gotta say the whole boot time and gdm is amazing guys
[17:06] <demon> hm the dsl is not reconnecting on reboot and the HELP it doesnt work
[17:08] <timo> So how do i send a bug report, what files do i include for pulse
[17:14] <demon> wow cant find my cam
[17:14] <demon> :)
[17:18] <demon> damn 9.04
[17:20] <SixDays> im runnin 9.04 and now I cant resolve addresses. I cant find anything wrong either.
[17:20] <SixDays> any suggestions?
[17:23] <LSD200> SixDays: can you ping your router at all?
[17:26] <SixDays> LSD200: i can ping my router yes
[17:26] <SixDays> i can ping anything, but i can resolve.
[17:27] <LSD200> SixDays: can or can't resolve?
[17:27] <SixDays> the new nifty network application thingy says that there is no existing wired connections.
[17:27] <SixDays> cannot resolve.
[17:28] <SixDays> pingscar@stalker:~$ ping google.com
[17:28] <SixDays> ping: unknown host google.com
[17:28] <LSD200> SixDays:  what does the contents of /etc/resolve.conf show?
[17:28] <LSD200> SixDays:  if needs be update it to include your router ip address
[17:29] <SixDays> LSD200: ah its totally blank
[17:29] <SixDays> just saysa #generated by network manager
[17:29] <LSD200> SixDays: so it contains the line like ->> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[17:30] <SixDays> LSD200: now it works. thanks :D
[17:30] <LSD200> SixDays: no probs - it's something i hit against a few times with bad dhcp server setups
[17:30] <SixDays> I couldnt even remember that there was such a thing as the resolv.conf file...i always confuse it with the nsswitch.conf file for some reason.
[17:31] <SixDays> I must say, I understand the new network manager app, but it F*cking sucks...
[17:32] <Mishtal> Hi folks. I've been using Ubuntu for about two years now, and decided to update my laptop to jaunty to help with testing everything last night. The system boots amazingly fast, but when the GDM login screen would normally show, I'm getting scrambled lines and dots on my monitor using an ATI gfc card. I enabled the CAB command by editing xorg through the root terminal, but it doesn't seem to have any effect, and neither does ctrl-alt-de
[17:32] <SixDays> havent tried it on the wireless though. and im running xfce so previously it has been terrible to set up wireless or HSDPA modems.
[17:32] <Mishtal> is there anyone who might have had a similar problem who has some advice?
[17:33] <SixDays> LSD200: thanks for your help
[17:36] <joaopinto> Mishtal, have you updated the packages ? There may be an upgrade to fglrx since your install image was built
[17:36] <joaopinto> assuming you have a working net connection
[17:37] <Mishtal> does running
[17:37] <Mishtal> sudo update-manager -d
[17:37] <Mishtal> update from an image? I'll see if i can get a wired ethernet connection and give it a shot
[17:37] <joaopinto> Mishtal, you already have 9.04 right ?
[17:37] <timo> my sound has went off again, lots of cracking noise. Dont any one know how to solve this
[17:38] <timo> :-*
[17:38] <joaopinto> Mishtal, from the terminal, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:38] <joaopinto> Mishtal, CTRL-ALT-F1 to switch to the text console
[17:39] <charlie-tca> timo: it is in work
[17:40] <timo> thank u charlie any thing I can do to help ?
[17:40] <mefisto__> joaopinto: that's the first time I've seen that, without the redundant "sudo apt-get upgrade" inserted in the middle
[17:40] <b3nw> this is so odd, my bluetooth keyboard pairs yet I can't get my mouse, and the bluetooth applet seems to be completely clueless that the pairing has happend
[17:41] <charlie-tca> Yes, dtchen has a new fix in ppa. See bug 330814
[17:42] <b3nw> if someone doesn't mind taking a peak http://paste.ubuntu.com/135499/
[17:42] <charlie-tca> timo: in particular, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/330814/comments/29
[17:42] <charlie-tca> to test his new fix
[17:43] <timo> how u know im 64 bit
[17:43] <Mishtal> joaopinto: I already have 9.04 installed. I'm talking to you from my 8.10 desktop. there were no new packages to install or upgrade. ctrl-alt-f# has no effect. to get to an interactive prompt, graphical or CLI, i have to boot into recovery mode
[17:44] <charlie-tca> timo: uname -a
[17:44] <charlie-tca> in a terminal. x86_64 is 64bit
[17:44] <timo> :-* not what i ment
[17:46] <mib_6wxyml> i can confirm that dtchen kernel image fixes audio on 64 bits
[17:46] <mib_6wxyml> on #Devel it was told that it will not be comming before jaunty release
[17:46] <mib_6wxyml> it will be SRU
[17:47] <joaopinto> Mishtal, boot into recovery mode, edit your xorg and set it to the vesa driver
[17:49] <Mishtal> joaopinto: the driver is already set to "vesa" under section "Device"
[17:50] <thewrath> is moving install from wubi to native in 9.04
[17:50] <thewrath> ?
[17:53] <eax> Hi :) By accident I installed the package "ipppd" that I now want to be removed, however upon removing it using "sudo apt-get remove ipppd" I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m49f0808b - I run Jaunty - What can I do? :)
[17:53] <m0RrE> i've tried to upgrade to jaunty twice on my workstation. latest try was about 14days ago.. i've had problems to get my raid0 setup to work. i have 2x500gb sata 2 drives in raid0. i was able to install the system once, but i couldn't access my 900gb partition in any way. just impossible.. anyone up2date with this?
[17:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Hmm... Seems Jaunty is alot buggyer than I thought it would be :/
[17:57] <charlie-tca> That's why it is called Alpha?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> The more bugs we find and report, the less buggy it will be for the release
[17:58] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Its alpha 6 with 1 month until estimated release, I hoped most of the major bugs would be fixed by now :P
[17:59] <joaopinto> charlie-tca, that's a great assumption :P
[18:00] <m0RrE> the only thing that annyos me in jaunty is that i can't connect to internet via bluetooth using my nokia n95 as a modem
[18:00] <timo> that didnt work lol. Didnt even boot :-(
[18:00] <timo> m0RrE you want a huge bill huh ?
[18:00] <CoJaBo-Aztec> I can't update mine or install any drivers.
[18:01] <m0RrE> timo: i can surf as much as I want for 9eur / month
[18:01] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is an assumption. Without testing and bug reports, most bugs are not found
[18:01] <Mishtal> joaopinto: is there anything else I might be missing? If I cant get it working, i'll just use windows for the time being while i'm in class. I need to wipe my system in the next few days anyway
[18:01] <CoJaBo-Aztec> "A problem that we were not expe" <-- Anyone know what this error means? o_O
[18:02] <timo> m0RrE why via bluetooth can you get cable to work.
[18:02] <m0RrE> because i don't want to carry the cable with me all the time :P
[18:02] <joaopinto> The more bugs we find and report will make it less *likely* to be buggy, the less bugs we find the less buggy IT WILL be :P
[18:02] <CoJaBo-Aztec> lol
[18:03]  * CoJaBo-Aztec just wishes I could get it to work at all!
[18:03] <joaopinto> Mishtal, do you have fglrx installed ?
[18:03] <timo> remeber to repot the bugs and not just moan about them.
[18:03] <CoJaBo-Aztec> My bug report: Nothing works.
[18:03] <Mishtal> I assume I do. I had it installed before I ran the upgrade, Let me go check
[18:03] <CoJaBo-Aztec> :/
[18:03] <timo> great were should we start
[18:04] <m0RrE> but hey, serioslu.. anyone heard about my problem with the raid setup?
[18:04] <m0RrE> seriously*
[18:04] <CoJaBo-Aztec> What raid setup problem?
[18:05] <m0RrE> a couple of rows up ^^
[18:05] <joaopinto> can someone else reproduce bug 346766 ?
[18:05] <m0RrE> 18:54:21
[18:05] <joaopinto> I got both positive and negative reports
[18:06] <yofel> m0RrE: not all here live in GMT+1 :P
[18:06] <m0RrE> haha, yes i know ;)
[18:06] <CoJaBo-Aztec> m0RrE: I tried RAID onn Ubuntu server, the setup is _extremely_ picky. If you don't do everything in a precise order, it wont see the partitions at the next step :/
[18:06] <m0RrE> i dont live in gmt+1 either :D
[18:07] <m0RrE> wtf
[18:07] <Mishtal> sudo apt-get install fglrx returns that there is no package found
[18:07] <joaopinto> Mishtal, xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:07] <m0RrE> is the fglrx driver in jaunty yet?
[18:07] <CoJaBo-Aztec> m0RrE: Also you can't use existing partitions from a previous attempt, the partitioner will see them and say its OK, but MD setup will say you don't have any parations.
[18:08] <Mishtal> ok
[18:08] <joaopinto> m0RrE, it is
[18:08] <m0RrE> CoJaBo-Aztec: so how do i solve this problem then?
[18:08] <m0RrE> joaopinto: aight!
[18:08] <Mishtal> ah, that package is already the newest version
[18:08] <eax> Hi :) By accident I installed the package "ipppd" that I now want to be removed, however upon removing it using "sudo apt-get remove ipppd" I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m49f0808b - I run Jaunty - What can I do? :)
[18:09] <CoJaBo-Aztec> m0RrE: Mine was mostly trial and error, with blanking the disks after each failed attempt. Hopefully there would be a better way, but I could not find it.
[18:09] <m0RrE> blanking?
[18:10] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cat /dev/zero >/dev/sda
[18:10] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Just enough to nuke the partitions.
[18:10] <m0RrE> hmpf.. i don't really follow now :D
[18:11] <Mishtal> joaopinto: yea, don't worry about it. I'll see if it works in a few days
[18:12] <CoJaBo-Aztec> m0RrE: If there is any partition data on the disks, MD setup will use it instead of any changes you make in the previous partitioning step! My solotion was to wipe the disks clean, then avoid making even the slightest mistake in the partitioning (if I did, then wipe again and start over.)
[18:13] <CoJaBo-Aztec> It took forever, but it was the only way I could get it to work :/
[18:14] <m0RrE> but what about the data on the partition?
[18:15] <m0RrE> i don't really want to wipe my 900gb collection of "stuff"
[18:15] <Mishtal> m0RrE: what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:15] <CoJaBo-Aztec> m0RrE: Yeah, obviously you'd want to back that up if you wanted to try my method :P
[18:16] <m0RrE> Mishtal: i want to upgrade from intrepid to jaunty, but i want to access my raid0 partitions. i've tried it twice but i can't access my 900gb partition
[18:16] <m0RrE> i've got 2x500gb sata disks in raid0 but i can't use the big partion after jaunty upgrade
[18:17] <yofel> eax: it says that a package is only partly intalled, you'll probably need to install the package completely first - what happend?
[18:19] <eax> yofel: I had to install some vpn packs and selected a wrong one by accident, I just selected "cancell" when I asked me to insert my ISDN's number. Now I can't remove it:/
[18:19] <timo> looving the jaunty  8-)
[18:19] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Any suggestions for installing hardware drivers? It isn't working for me.
[18:20] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Also, what are blocked updates? o_O
[18:21] <yofel> eax: file a bug report on launchpad, this shouldn't happen (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs)
[18:21] <eax> yofel: Will do, thanks :
[18:21] <eax> :)
[18:22] <eax> Otherwise I absolutely love Jaunty ^_^ ACPI and Ethernet works for me now :D
[18:22]  * CoJaBo-Aztec wishes it worked for me :P
[18:22] <dtchen> popey: i don't understand - did you forget to include the effect of the test kernel?
[18:23] <dtchen> popey: i.e., the symptom is fairly common, but you omitted details regarding the application and video backend
[18:25] <Mishtal> joaopinto: I got the system to boot into the gnome desktop by running apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx and rebooting
[18:25] <o0Chris0o> hopefully my audio problem will get sorted out
[18:25] <joaopinto> Mishtal, so it was no tusing the vesa driver, but fglrx ;)
[18:26] <Mishtal> I guess so. Are there known issues with fglrx with the alpha? I haven't run into any documention about it, but then again, i haven't been looking
[18:27] <CoJaBo-Aztec> What do I need to do to install the hardware drivers?
[18:32] <timo> pulseaudio is really a pain at the moment.
[18:32] <dtchen> timo: in what way?
[18:33] <dtchen> well, ways* i suppose
[18:33] <timo> dtchen the sound keeps on cracking and stopping once in a while apart from that its fine.
[18:34] <dtchen> timo: are you using my test kernel?
[18:34] <timo> And that kernal update did not boot. It left me with X server errors
[18:34] <dtchen> timo: if you're using binary-only drivers, it won't start Xorg
[18:35] <dtchen> you need to force a rebuild of those drivers using dkms probably
[18:35] <timo> So i have to disable the nvidia driver ?
[18:35] <dtchen> sure, try testing with nv or vesa
[18:35] <mib_6wxyml> nvidia and PA are both working here
[18:35] <timo> ok great im try that now.
[18:36] <mib_6wxyml> 64bits btw
[18:38] <timo> this is what im going to do, remove the nvidia driver, reboot, then install the testing kernal ? ok
[18:44] <timo> hey should i reboot after installin the kernal ?
[18:45] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ...and now it crashed :/
[18:45] <dtchen> timo: well, yes, you need to reboot into the test kernel
[18:45] <timo> sorry about the stupid qestion im not thinking right
[18:46]  * CoJaBo-Aztec hard reboots in the middle of package installation...
[18:49] <timo> well..................
[18:50] <mib_6wxyml> timo: did it work?
[18:50] <timo> It hasn't really worked
[18:50] <timo> Constant cracking now
[18:51] <timo> no wait
[18:51] <timo> i hear music
[18:51] <timo> :-* lest wait and see it continues
[18:52] <timo> the mute issue is still there. It was mutted when i logoed on.
[18:52] <dtchen> that's not a kernel issue, which is what i'm most concerned with ATM
[18:53] <timo> dtchen nice to see you on top of all these issues you seem to know what im talking about. 8-)
[18:53] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Wow it started up at the same point it crashed at!
[18:55] <timo> still playing music. im gona keep testing. starting with playing two sources of music at once.
[18:55] <CoJaBo-Aztec> KPackageKit just resumes like nothing ever happened :)
[18:58] <timo> dtchen how did you fix this annoying issue man
[18:58] <timo> im playing totem, youtube, banshee. every thing is sound
[19:02] <timo> yes it works!
[19:02] <timo> thanks
[19:04] <dtchen> timo: i worked with upstream to fix it
[19:04] <dtchen> i don't know if it will land for jaunty final, but i'm going to try and get it in through SRU if it won't
[19:05] <timo>  Can i in stall the nvidia drivers, I want to get emerald themes working.
[19:07] <dtchen> you can try; i can't vouch for any procedure, however
[19:08] <timo> I cant force so the best thing is to install the normal way.
[19:09] <timo> nah not installing
[19:13] <mib_6wxyml> timo: is the sound when u login? i use autologin, but when i end my session i hear it too dtchen
[19:13] <timo> Its on mute when i log on
[19:14] <timo> dose that answer you question mib_6wxyml
[19:19] <mib_6wxyml> timo: no... diferent symtpom
[19:20] <timo> I will keep my ears open when rebooting, it maybe making the sound.
[19:20] <marginoferror> I am having trouble with audio lag, particularly with flash.  Youtube, etc seems to work but some flash games have a 1sec+ lag.  I'm looking for ways to narrow down the problem.
[19:21] <mib_6wxyml> need bug confirmation: opening an OOo exisiting file (with Compiz ON) OOo with appear on another Desktop window.
[19:21] <mib_6wxyml> marginoferror: ask dtchen
[19:21] <marginoferror> mib_6wxyml, Why's that?  Does he work on pulseaudio or something?
[19:24] <marginoferror> Can someone running 9.04 go to http://balldroppings.com/js/ and tell me if the sound syncs up for them, or if it's lagging for them too?
[19:27] <penguin42> how are finding X stability? I've had a couple of X server crashes (Intel 945GM) - one every few days?
[19:33] <timo> I would like to say i had no log in sound
[19:34] <Belboz99> Hey, all, having the the following problem with notify-osd: GLib-GObject-WARNING **: value "0" of type `gint' is invalid or out of range for property `pixels-per-em' of type `gint'
[19:35] <Belboz99> the application installs OK, but doesn't actually work
[19:35] <Belboz99> the notification-settings shows a working preview, but that is all
[19:36] <mib_6wxyml> marginoferror: yes he does! dtchen mantains it with themuso
[19:36] <DanaG> hah, here's something rather hideous: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/SafariWorse.jpg
[19:38] <mib_6wxyml> marginoferror u got me hooked on that game now! and btw sound works
[19:49] <sebsebseb> damn it
[19:49] <sebsebseb> now I keep on losing sound :(
[19:49] <timo> sound
[19:50] <Delvien> Anyone else experiencing poping noises when trying to play sound?
[19:50] <sebsebseb> Delvien: I think I did
[19:50] <penguin42> Delvien: occasionally, I also get occasioanlly a real horrible sound when playing sound, then it stops and restarts
[19:50] <Delvien> I cant get it to play any sound without the popping now, just hear that and crackling
[19:50] <timo> have you installed the test kernel its great . find it here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[19:51] <Delvien> I was just reading that actually
[19:51] <timo> Delvien:  remember that you gona have to use vn or x11 drivers
[19:52] <CoJaBo-Aztec> What are blocked updates?
[19:52] <Delvien> timo: VN drivers?
[19:54] <timo> nv sory
[19:54] <Delvien> ah.. well nm then
[19:54] <Delvien> lol
[19:55] <sebsebseb> can I fix my sound?????
[19:55] <timo> yes you can
[19:55] <sebsebseb> lol  all those people with sound issues in 8.10 never had any.  and then with this 9.04 alpha6 I get sound issues heh
[19:55] <sebsebseb> timo: how?
[19:55] <timo> look here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[19:56] <sebsebseb> test kernels hummmmm
[19:56] <timo> sebsebseb: i had sound issues in 8.10
[19:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there a way to install hardware drivers in Jaunty?
[19:57] <penguin42> it seems to work fine most of the time it's just occasionally it craps out
[19:57] <Delvien> penguin42: I cant get mine to work again
[19:58] <Delvien> all i hear is cracking now
[19:58] <o0Chris0o> Delvien: same here
[19:59] <penguin42> anything in dmesg?
[19:59] <timo> Delvien: is the sound muted ?
[19:59] <Delvien> onlything I see is "HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
[19:59] <DanaG> heh, spam e-mail subject line: "Your clothes are upside down".
[19:59] <Delvien> timo no, all I hear is cracking,
[19:59] <timo> the sound is muted thats why
[19:59] <penguin42> Delvien: That's fairly normal
[20:00] <timo> make sure noting is mutted
[20:00] <Delvien> I did
[20:00] <Delvien> triple checked to make sure
[20:00] <o0Chris0o> same here
[20:01] <timo> It has to be, did you reboot try that. I had the same cracking noise but that was because of the mute
[20:01]  * penguin42 wonders why his firefox has suddenly decided to go into right-to-left input mode
[20:01] <CoJaBo-Aztec> lol
[20:01] <Delvien> This is what I show
[20:01] <o0Chris0o> #alsa helps too
[20:01] <Delvien> [   20.535479] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22
[20:01] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Mine does that too, never could figure out how to turn it off.
[20:01] <Delvien> [   20.535531] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
[20:01] <Delvien> [   87.268427] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
[20:02] <penguin42> CoJaBo-Aztec: It feels like it's only done it fairly recently
[20:02] <penguin42> Delvien: Yeh I see those as well
[20:02] <Delvien> When I change everything to alsa, it still happens
[20:02] <CoJaBo-Aztec> penguin42: Its a keyboard shortcut that toggles it, but what that shortcut is I never managed to figure out.
[20:03] <Delvien> haha holy crud... it started working
[20:03] <Delvien> randomly
[20:03] <timo> Delvien: what sound ?
[20:03] <Delvien> Yeah
[20:03] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Has anyone managed to install hardware drivers or package updates in alpha6?
[20:03] <Delvien> I switched to OSS and back, poof
[20:04] <timo> what about video drivers what you using for that
[20:04] <Delvien> Nvidia 180
[20:04] <sebsebseb> timo: test kernel or whatever?  I am already running:  2.6.28-11-generic
[20:04] <sebsebseb> timo: maybe I should boot up the earlier kernel that I was given after upgrading from 8.10.  and then things work better or not damn
[20:04] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, no issues here
[20:05] <timo> sebsebseb:  best of luck mate
[20:05] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, re: 'drivers', I assume you mean a particular proprietary video driver?
[20:05] <timo> Delvien:  how did you install them
[20:05] <sebsebseb> timo: what is what you linked me to?
[20:06] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: Video and wifi are listed as available. I can't get them to install is the problem.
[20:06] <sebsebseb> timo: heh I should have waited for beta, that's this Thursday, but I wonder if that will fix my sound issue etc.
[20:06] <Delvien> timo install 180 ? with the restricted driver application
[20:07] <timo> Delvien:  no luck with that try the sypnetic way too
[20:07] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, you have to be more specific:  what wireless, and what video?
[20:07] <Delvien> timo mine installed without a hitch, what error were you receiving?
[20:07] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Also what is a blocked update? It keeps telling me there are blocked updates?
[20:08] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: Broadcom and nvidia.
[20:08] <cwillu> you're using the repositories or "system | administration | hardware drivers", right?
[20:08] <timo> Downloading and installing driver then, it just disappears and noting happens.
[20:08] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, if it asks to do a partial upgrade, let it
[20:09] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: I'm using the icon in the taskbar that says I have hardware drivers available.
[20:09] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, okay, yes, that should work (although I haven't checked the release notes recently, you might want to check that they don't list something there)
[20:10] <marginoferror> I just upgraded from 8.10 and every GTK program is spamming this at the commandline:
[20:10] <marginoferror> /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:194: Murrine configuration option "highlight_ratio" will be deprecated in future releases. Please use "highlight_shade" instead.
[20:10] <marginoferror> Is this happening to everyone or just people who upgraded from 8.10?
[20:10] <timo> Delvien: when you reboot after installing dose it ask you about reconfiguring the display
[20:10] <crdlb> everyone
[20:10] <timo> hi:P
[20:10] <Delvien> marginoferror: that's a theme specific problem. mine does that too Murrine quiet
[20:10] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: I click the button, and it just does nothing. Also what is a blocked update in kpackagekit?
[20:10] <Delvien> murrina *
[20:11] <sebsebseb> uh  I Just thought about using VIsta
[20:11] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, oh, sorry, I didn't know you were running kubuntu
[20:11] <sebsebseb> on this computer
[20:11] <Erik_A> Hi, Is GEM activated in jaunty?
[20:11] <marginoferror> Delvien, crdlb, thanks, just what I needed to know
[20:11] <sebsebseb> I am thinking about maybe using Vista mainly untill the beta, where I hope my sound issue etc will be fixed
[20:11] <cwillu> Erik_A, yes
[20:12] <timo> sebsebseb: did you install the test kernal
[20:12] <sebsebseb> timo: no
[20:12] <o0Chris0o> sebsebseb:eww
[20:12] <timo> why not
[20:12] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: indeed
[20:12] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: ,but sound is very important to me.  since this is my music player as well
[20:12] <Delvien> timo it didnt ask me, do you have DKMS?
[20:12] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: Any suggestions or am I just stuck withuout driver and package updates?
[20:12] <Erik_A> cwillu, thanks
[20:12] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, don't pity him, people who have issues with alpha's and think that somebody owes them an immediate fix deserve vista :p
[20:13] <timo>  Delvien:dkms ?
[20:13] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Vista is just torture o_O
[20:13] <popey> dtchen: sorry, the new kernel didnt fix it, and the same thing happens in miro with gstreamer or xine backend, and also happens in mplayer, on another machine it also happens in totem
[20:13] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: the mplayer plugin dosan't seem to work in Firefox either,  so I web radio humm
[20:13] <sebsebseb> and I know it's an alpha
[20:13] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, I don't know the kde tools.  All I can say is install and run synaptic and see if that gives you a more useful error
[20:13] <sebsebseb> and has bugs
[20:13] <o0Chris0o> sebsebseb: join #alsa
[20:13] <sebsebseb> my KDE4  got bugged up, but I don't care.  the apps work in Gnome.  it was all working well untill  yesterday.
[20:13] <o0Chris0o> ask for help and idle
[20:13] <sebsebseb> I was listening to music fine in Banshee untill yesterday
[20:14] <CoJaBo-Aztec> cwillu: Yeah, the least it could do is tell me why its blocked :/
[20:14] <sebsebseb> bugs whatever,  I don't really care to much about some minor bugs, but no sound  hummm
[20:14] <o0Chris0o> download and run the alsa-info.sh script and post the link as well
[20:14] <timo> sebsebseb: make sure to report the bugs thou
[20:14] <cwillu> CoJaBo-Aztec, I get the feeling it's talking about a pinned package or something, but I don't think you would've done that by accident
[20:14] <sebsebseb> I joined #aslsa
[20:15] <sebsebseb> and apparnatlly even alsa stuff uses pulseaudio
[20:15] <cwillu> sebsebseb, alsa is the hardware drivers, pulseaudio is the mixer
[20:15] <sebsebseb> timo:  why do I want some werid test kernel off ubuntu?  and it looked like the same version I got anyway?
[20:16] <sebsebseb> timo:
[20:16] <sebsebseb> sebastian@sebastian-desktop:~$ uname -r
[20:16] <sebsebseb> 2.6.28-11-generic
[20:16] <timo> uname -r
[20:16] <timo> 2.6.28-11-generic
[20:16] <marginoferror> cwillu, is it pulseaudio that's causing lag on browser games like http://balldroppings.com/js/
[20:17] <marginoferror> I haven't been able to figure out what's causing it
[20:17] <sebsebseb> timo: yep that's what I got, plus  it gave me an older jaunty kernel as well, when I upgraded from 8.10
[20:17] <sebsebseb> timo: so maybe I should just try the older kernel, altough I thought  the kernel does not have much to do with sound in Ubuntu?
[20:17] <timo> try here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[20:18] <JMFTheVCI> I don't think the browser lag is restricted to Jaunty. I have the same issue on Intrepid
[20:18] <sebsebseb> timo:  why are  they not provicing a later or better kenel from the updates?????
[20:18] <timo> its probably the plugins
[20:18] <sebsebseb> timo: what exactly is this thing your telling me to try?
[20:19] <cwillu> marginoferror, unlikely unless you're talking about just the sound being lagged and everything else being fine
[20:19] <timo> Download it and install, do you have 64 bit os ?
[20:19] <marginoferror> Just the sound
[20:19] <sebsebseb> timo: no I am on 32bit
[20:19] <marginoferror> cwillu, The sound is lagged about 1 second behind input and video
[20:20] <cwillu> dpkg-query -p linux-image-generic | grep Version
[20:20] <timo> install the second one sebsebseb, titled linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.37~lp330814crimsun1_i386.deb
[20:20] <cwillu> Version: 2.6.28.11.13
[20:20] <sebsebseb> timo: where's the actsaul website for what that is?
[20:20] <timo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[20:20] <timo> best of luck sebsebseb
[20:20] <sebsebseb> timo: is it just a add on for  the kernel I am running?   I mean where's a website that tells people what it is about
[20:20] <sebsebseb> timo: and how did you find out about that link?
[20:21] <cwillu> sebsebseb, afaik, dtchen is the guy responsible for pulse in ubuntu
[20:21]  * cwillu pokes dtchen with a stick
[20:21] <cwillu> i.e., it's his repository
[20:21] <marginoferror> Hmm, this looks promising
[20:21] <timo> me/ help
[20:21]  * timo l
[20:21] <marginoferror> N: main.c: For enabling real-time/high-priority scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit privileges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt'...
[20:22] <marginoferror> Unfortunately, I added myself to pulse-rt and still get the same message
[20:22] <marginoferror> I wonder if it's an issue w/ setuid?  I don't really know how that works.
[20:22] <timo> sebsebseb: i was told by dtchen he created the test kernal i believe
[20:22] <sebsebseb> timo: ok so that test kernel should work better for soud?
[20:23] <sebsebseb> timo: so it's just the kernel that my Ubuntu is running now, with some edits?
[20:23] <timo> work great, but you may not be able to use the non free video drivers mate
[20:23] <cwillu> sebsebseb, 'should' in the sense of 'maybe, that's why we're trying it' :p
[20:23] <cwillu> and if it works, then it'll get rolled out to the general testing audience, and if it doesn't break things in general, then maybe it'll make it into the release
[20:23] <sebsebseb> timo: I got a nivida graphics card, I have the non free driver installed,  I don't really need that right now either
[20:24] <sebsebseb> cwillu: yeah that's what I was wondering about, why it's not in the juanty updates
[20:24] <timo> Remove the driver before installing the test kernel mate
[20:24] <cwillu> sebsebseb, ppa's are the normal approach for things
[20:24] <cwillu> at least during alphas
[20:24] <sebsebseb> cwillu: ah ha it's a ppa
[20:24] <sebsebseb> cwillu: that explains it
[20:25] <sebsebseb> timo: or keep the driver and get xorg issues???  well then I can just reconfigure xorg
[20:25] <timo> try that too.
[20:27] <timo> dtchen
[20:28] <timo> will i be able to update like normal ?
[20:28] <sebsebseb> timo: even a sha256sum.asc to make sure that kernel downloaded properly?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> timo: I guess Ubuntu will detect that there is a even later kernel,  when there is one, even with the test kernel
[20:29] <timo> ok.
[20:29] <sebsebseb> timo: plus you can keep the other kernels installed
[20:29] <timo> sebsebseb: are you installing
[20:30] <sebsebseb> timo: well it's on the ubuntu server, so I guess that kernel is ok, but maybe not.   I mean get a kernel from just anywhere, and  there could be say a hidden rootkit in it or something.
[20:31] <timo> yeh... its only testing. Im not using it for sensitive stuff ;-)
[20:31] <sebsebseb> timo: for sensitive stuff?
[20:31] <sebsebseb> timo: well I got  data in a seperate home partition :D  so  I should be alright
[20:32] <timo> yeh me too. :-D
[20:32] <timo> Very impressed with the boot times and ext4
[20:32] <sebsebseb> timo: I am running with Ext3 at the moment, but  I may  do a clean install with 9.04   and do Ext4 as my file system
[20:32] <sebsebseb> timo: 9.04 final that is
[20:33] <timo> you should great speed ;-)
[20:33] <sebsebseb> timo: I am waiting for it to be more stable, well I  read about a data loss bug and things
[20:33] <sebsebseb> timo: would  I  even get the speed?  would I even notice the speed?  on 32bit with 1GB RAM?
[20:34] <sebsebseb> timo: I think my proccessor might be 64bit capable, but with 1GB RAM, it's like what's the point
[20:35] <timo> nah should go for it. There will deffo be and improvement. It might be faster when extracting files.
[20:37] <sebsebseb> well  makes sense to do it when
[20:37] <sebsebseb> 9.04 final has been released
[20:37] <sebsebseb> and I got on CD
[20:38] <timo> now the video driver is causing me stress. I watch a lot of tv on the pc and its not working 100% like it should.
[20:38] <sebsebseb> and I have to mess around moving data to partitions and shit, unless I buy an external  hard disk
[20:38] <timo> why not do it now, Test it all out.
[20:38] <timo> creat a new partition
[20:38] <sebsebseb> timo: alerady did my computer again back in  just before Intrepid Ibex
[20:39] <sebsebseb> timo: that was a big procedure, moving data around to partitions
[20:39] <sebsebseb> timo: took a lot of time etc
[20:39] <sebsebseb> going through data as well
[20:39] <timo> Yeh it dose some times.
[20:39] <sebsebseb> timo: most of it is rubbish realy, but  still want to keep for now
[20:40] <timo> Im thinking of getting a raid set up here. Hard drive is slowing things down baddly
[20:40] <sebsebseb> timo: I am thinking about buying either two 1TB externals or  2  500GB's ,because they are pretty cheap now
[20:40] <sebsebseb> timo: then two externals to play with for backup
[20:40] <timo> 2 500GB
[20:40] <sebsebseb> well yeah even 1TB will be pretty hard to fill up in my case
[20:40] <marginoferror> I am waiting for cheaper flash drives
[20:40] <marginoferror> Some of the newer flash drives are fast enough to saturate an SATA controller
[20:41] <timo> yes even more of a pain when it come to moving data, partitions around
[20:41] <sebsebseb> moving data around on partitions sucks
[20:41] <sebsebseb> being able to just put it all on a external hard disk just like that
[20:41] <sebsebseb> now that's good
[20:42] <timo> Why dont you just save on separate hard drive it dont have to be external.
[20:42] <sebsebseb> I would have to like move stuff into  VIsta or something.  or onto that extra  data partition first.  and then
[20:42] <timo> Do u move around with  you backups ?
[20:43] <timo> I use one harddrive for all my data. If it fails so beit.
[20:43] <sebsebseb> I  don't really have any important data here as such, but there is some stuff that  I don't want to just lose
[20:43] <DanaG> Hard drives are cheap.  Check newegg's daily newsletter.
[20:44] <sebsebseb> newegg sounds like a American company
[20:44] <sebsebseb> I am from UK
[20:44] <sebsebseb> pretty sure I herad of newegg
[20:45] <timo> yeh me too. but cant really say what it is exactly
[20:46] <sebsebseb> timo: let's try this kernel I think
[20:46] <o0Chris0o> http://www.newegg.com
[20:46] <sebsebseb> timo: and then  hopefuly I get sound working nicely again
[20:47]  * sebsebseb wonders if it will still say  No Indicators on his top panel, after he is running the beta,  unless he removes that program
[20:48] <sebsebseb> someone said I could remove that, and  it was something to do with a bug
[20:48] <timo> good luck
[20:48] <timo> Im going to try and get this driver woking
[20:53] <arp13> anybody using lvm2 at 9.04???
[21:05] <timo> any one play on cysis
[21:06] <timo> :-!
[21:06] <Milos_SD> Is MPD that is in Jaunty now uses ffmpeg as decoder by default?
[21:11] <mereandor__> arp13: yes I am no inconvenience with that up to now
[21:13] <arp13> mereandor, oh, nice. course I'm usign 8.10 now, and it's ok. but once, I downloaded some daily build of 9.04 (couple of days ago), installed lvm2 and tried sudo modprobe dm_mod
[21:13] <arp13> but the answer was an erro
[21:13] <arp13> fatal: no such module
[21:13] <arp13> I thought, the kernel did not have this module
[21:13] <arp13> and now a bit afraid of future upgrade to 9.04
[21:13] <arp13> ...
[21:14] <tonsofpcs> answer: don't upgrade
[21:15] <mjheagle8> how are the new notifications coming in 9.04?
[21:15] <fosco__> mjheagle8: they are nice
[21:16] <mjheagle8> i tried it w/o compiz, it looked bad. i'm assuming they're better w/ compiz?
[21:16] <fosco__> you maybe need to activate composite
[21:17] <mjheagle8> i tried it on the live disk, and i have an nvidia so no compositing on live disk.
[21:17] <mjheagle8> but it will work when i install.
[21:18] <fosco__> they look like this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rgO8m__aY7g/SamQYOmi_6I/AAAAAAAABXI/0-oZKoS-BWI/s1600-h/xubuntu5.jpg
[21:19] <mjheagle8> do all the apps work with them? i tested notify-osd on 8.10 and everything just got converted to an alert.
[21:21] <fosco__> not every app can use it
[21:21] <fosco__> but most of gnome apps use it
[21:22] <mjheagle8> okay.
[21:55] <dtchen> popey: i don't think that's PA-related, but you can confirm (or not) by removing pulseaudio from the equation
[21:56] <dtchen> popey: also, the new kernel does not address any PulseAudio-specific issues. PulseAudio just happens to trigger the condition most forcefully.
[21:58] <popey> dtchen: ok, thanks
[22:19] <mhjacks> Hi!  Anyone on here mess with starting VNC at boot time on Jaunty?
[22:22] <mhjacks> Anyone messing with xrdp on Jaunty?
[22:24] <darthanubis> no sound
[22:24] <darthanubis> why every release always the sound is borked
[22:24] <dtchen> *how* is the sound borked?
[22:24] <dtchen> and why do people complain about sound being borked *without providing useful debugging information*?
[22:24] <darthanubis> pulse is running and there is no sound from sound apps like banshee
[22:24] <darthanubis> because they can
[22:24] <dtchen> "oh god, doctor, my leg hurts" "ok..."
[22:24] <mhjacks> Are you running under vnc by chance?
[22:25] <darthanubis> and they have not gotten to the debugging info YET
[22:25] <darthanubis> no
[22:25] <mhjacks> Screws my theory. :)
[22:25] <mhjacks> There was a new alsa-utils a couple days ago that fixed a typo in module loading...
[22:26] <darthanubis> nothing has crashed thus no debug info
[22:26] <darthanubis> pulseaudio[25846]: module-rtp-send.c: Failed to push chunk into memblockq.
[22:26] <dtchen> number one rule: don't complain about audio broken until you've 1) installed my test kernel at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/ ; 2) checked pavucontrol to ensure the streams are directed to your desired output devices ; 3) used alsamixer to ensure your mixer controls are unmuted and not set to zero
[22:27] <darthanubis> pulseaudio[26920]: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload
[22:27] <dtchen> see number (1)
[22:27] <thiebaude> dtchen: im going to download the test kernal
[22:27] <dtchen> that's bug 330814 and slew of others, and that's *precisely* what my kernel addresses
[22:28] <darthanubis> I'll "complain" if I feel the urge. And I don't have any reason to know who you are. It's not like your crimsun or anybody.
[22:28] <thiebaude> dtchen: because the newest kernal doesn't boot, but the older one does
[22:28] <dtchen> darthanubis: except i *am* crimsun.
[22:28] <darthanubis> LOL
[22:28] <darthanubis> hillarious
[22:29] <darthanubis> Sorry crimsun, it's been a while.
[22:29] <dtchen> thiebaude: where does it bail? keep in mind that i don't provide headers
[22:29] <dtchen> thiebaude: i.e., if you have modules requiring dkms, then you may have issues
[22:29] <darthanubis> I was following your thread on this issue (pulse) in the forums.
[22:29] <thiebaude> dtchen: after login, but think its part of bug 304871
[22:30] <dtchen> thiebaude: right, i can't really help with that particular bug
[22:30] <thiebaude> dtchen: but i see if your kernal lets me login
[22:30] <dtchen> thiebaude: if you deal with vesa, try that
[22:30] <mhjacks> @dtchen:  I'm experiencing VNC (both tight and -4) hanging when I try to start them from rc.local on Jaunty.  They work fine when I run them once logged in.
[22:31] <thiebaude> dtchen: im able to use 9.04 with the older kernal, because i adjusted the option section in xorg.conf
[22:31] <mhjacks> The session I'm trying to run is the standard GNOME session (via gnome-session) in my xstartup
[22:32] <dtchen> mhjacks: do you have debug output from them?
[22:32] <mhjacks> The vnc log doesn't seem very helpful, but I can post what I have
[22:33] <dtchen> mhjacks: can you increase the verboseness?
[22:33] <mhjacks> I don't know if I can or not.  It seems to not be documented how.
[22:36] <mhjacks> I've got a hunch it has something to do with changes to policykit etc. since I got audio on VNC under Intrepid by default but not under Jaunty until I enabled it in policykit
[22:37] <mhjacks> I'm just not sure what knobs to fiddle with at that point in boot.  Once I can ssh in, I can run the vncserver command and start a session without a problem.
[22:38] <mhjacks> It just sits at the checked X start screen, with the "X" X cursor.  VNC accepts incoming connections fine but the session seems to be hung.
[22:38] <tuxxy__> hey if its already the betafreeze does that mean are just gettin program updates from now on
[22:38] <dtchen> tuxxy__: bug fixes, mostly
[22:40] <tuxxy__> kk well I hope the bug I have gets fixed which is compiz not loading by default I have ti run compiz --replace each boot if I want effects
[22:41] <mhjacks> Does that help any?
[22:42] <sebsebseb> :)  at the test kernel, making my sound work nicely again
[22:42] <sebsebseb> music :)
[22:42] <thiebaude> dtchen: what was the kernal link again?
[22:43] <dtchen> thiebaude: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[22:43] <thiebaude> ok, thanks
[22:44] <sebsebseb> dtchen: good job :)   that would have sucked having to run Ubuntu for even longer with no working sound.  well  it would play stuff in banshee before for a tiny little bit, then lose all sound
[22:44] <sebsebseb> on the subject of sound alpha6 has no log in sound?
[22:44] <thiebaude> dtchen: after i downloaded , 9.04 didn't ask for a re-bbot
[22:44] <dtchen> thiebaude: you need to install it, and then reboot ;)
[22:45] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: after I installed his kernel it didn't ask  to re boot, but I did so anyway
[22:45] <thiebaude> dtchen: i dont think i seen it listed on the grub options of kernals
[22:45] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: yes it's not
[22:45] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: when I upgraded from 8.10 the other day. I was given two kernels
[22:46] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: the latest kernel  option is now  ditchens
[22:46] <dtchen> thiebaude: that's because it's not a bump from the existing -11.36 in the repo
[22:46] <dtchen> mine is -11.37~lp330814crimsun1
[22:46] <thiebaude> dtchen: so i can start without pressing esc
[22:46] <sebsebseb> I had this kernel anyway before,  but now  it seems that kernel is ditchens :)
[22:46] <dtchen> right, after installing and rebooting
[22:47] <sebsebseb> sebastian@sebastian-desktop:~$ uname -r
[22:47] <sebsebseb> 2.6.28-11-generic
[22:47] <sebsebseb> sebastian@sebastian-desktop:~$
[22:47] <thiebaude> ok, kewl
[22:47] <dtchen> sebsebseb: cat /proc/version_signature
[22:47] <thiebaude> i'll try it
[22:47] <dtchen> sebsebseb: that will tell you the entire source version string
[22:47] <sebsebseb> sebastian@sebastian-desktop:~$ cat /proc/version_signature
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.37~lp330814crimsun1-generic
[22:47] <sebsebseb> sebastian@sebastian-desktop:~$
[22:47] <sebsebseb> dtchen: oh right cool it didn't tell us though if it was the 32bit or 64bit.  ,but yes I installed the 32bit
[22:49] <sebsebseb> dtchen: I was seriously thinking about using Vista, if I coudn't get sound fixed, untill the beta earlier, where I was assuming sound would be all nice and fixed.  But you saved me from the evil clutches of Vista :D   yes it dual boots, I hardly ever boot it up though :)
[22:49] <sebsebseb> dtchen: sound being very important, since my computer is also my music player
[22:50] <dtchen> yeah, i'm quite aware of how important sound is to most users
[22:51] <sebsebseb> dtchen: so you do sound stuff?   and what else?
[22:52] <dtchen> sebsebseb: that's all i have time for. $dayjob takes up all the rest of my time.
[22:52] <sebsebseb> dtchen: oh right what's  your day job, if you don't mind me asking
[22:53] <dtchen> i write and break horrible code ;)
[22:53] <sebsebseb> for what?
[22:53] <dtchen> for what project or for whom? i'm a US gov't employee.
[22:55] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I tried to compile alsa driver, but it was asking for alsa kernel, I downloaded alsa kernel and it was 320 MB, is this normal ?
[22:55] <sebsebseb> dtchen: oh what kind of stuff you program?
[22:55] <dtchen> aboSamoor: which "alsa kernel"? do you mean sound-2.6.git?
[22:55] <aboSamoor> dtchen: yes
[22:55] <dtchen> aboSamoor: yes, that's the entire linux source
[22:56] <aboSamoor> should I go ahead ? is there any easier way ?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> dtchen: not sure if you would help with this one, as in make sure it's better in 9.04, but it seems loads of people get sound issues in 8.10.   I didn't, but other people do, and a lot of them.
[22:56] <dtchen> sebsebseb: mostly kernel- and layer-6/7 apps
[22:57] <dtchen> aboSamoor: to fix the mic regression? there's very probably an easier way.
[22:57] <sebsebseb> with xorg and wireless being the other two main issues, but that's hardware manufactures fualt really
[22:57] <dtchen> aboSamoor: it's just a matter of bisecting to the problematic changesets
[22:58] <dtchen> aboSamoor: you'll need to start with 1.0.17 and go forward to 1.0.18
[22:58] <dtchen> sebsebseb: can you be more specific? there are a half-dozen significant sound issues in 8.10
[22:59] <aboSamoor> dtchen:  yes, for the mic regression. There is a new patch in the Bug 278648 . my alsa is Version: 1.0.18.dfsg-1ubuntu6
[22:59] <dtchen> and, well, i can only fix so many problems, resource constraints and all...
[22:59] <sebsebseb> dtchen: no  I was just saying, because  it's one of the 3 most common issues
[22:59] <dtchen> aboSamoor: your alsa version is not related to alsa-base/linux-sound-base/alsa-source/alsa-driver. you need to look at linux.
[23:00] <dtchen> aboSamoor: all patches are generated against ubuntu-jaunty.git
[23:00] <sebsebseb> dtchen: and  it seems  every day in #ubuntu  one of those issues something or the other,  well hopefully 9.04 will be better when it comes to those as well :)
[23:00] <dtchen> sebsebseb: a lot of people are working diligently to make 9.04 rock
[23:01] <sebsebseb> dtchen: and sadly some people just go back to Windows, if there hardware does not just work.
[23:02] <Halow> So far 9.04 has treated me great. I got cocky and upgraded my Intrepid install, and now sounds are pausing 3 or 4 seconds before playing. =/
[23:02] <dtchen> Halow: with or without my test kernel?
[23:03] <Halow> dtchen:  Both.
[23:03] <dtchen> Halow: in what applications?
[23:04] <Halow> dtchen: Pidgin seems most obvious. System sounds were holding almost everything I was doing back to a crawl, so I turned them off. Rhythmbox seems to not be bothered.
[23:04] <aboSamoor> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Wheretodownload
[23:06] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I thought that I can find something like the packages in the wireless http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Wheretodownload . Can you guide me to a tutorial to know how to compile that patch or newer alsa
[23:06] <sebsebseb> dtchen: it may be on the Ubuntu server, but heh how can we really trust you, maybe you added malicious code to your test kernel?????  :D
[23:06] <dtchen> Halow: what're your autoaudiosink and musicaudiosink?
[23:07] <dtchen> sebsebseb: you are feel to clone http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=dtchen/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pcm and build it yourself.
[23:07] <sebsebseb> dtchen: nah I don't program yet,  and I am very thankful,  but I was just saying about  that
[23:08] <thiebaude> dtchen: even though your test kernal didn't work, thanks for letting me try it anyway
[23:09] <dtchen> thiebaude: where did it break?
[23:09] <dtchen> (i can't help intel/nvidia/fglrx/radeon issues)
[23:09] <thiebaude> dtchen: right after i login, gnome trys to lad but the screen(graaphics)are garbbled and then it freezes the mouse
[23:10] <sebsebseb> dtchen: indeed closed drivers
[23:10] <thiebaude> load
[23:10] <thiebaude> the only thing that works is the older kernal
[23:10] <Halow> dtchen: Hah... I have no idea how to check the autoaudiosink and musicaudiosink.
[23:10] <Halow> =/
[23:11] <thiebaude> i still have that partucular bug, but  i have no problem using 9.04
[23:11] <dtchen> Halow: gconftool --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink
[23:11] <sebsebseb> dtchen: why did sound stop working with the old kernel anyway?  2 days or so ago it was fine.  then  sometime around me getting updates the issues or something like that
[23:12] <thiebaude> cnat wait until beta thursday
[23:12] <dtchen> sebsebseb: there are far too many variables.
[23:12] <Halow> dtchen: That returned caudiosink and pulsesink
[23:13] <dtchen> Halow: "caudiosink"?
[23:13] <Halow> Er, sorry, I'm reading that wrong. ><
[23:14] <Halow> Just "pulsesink".
[23:14] <Halow> It wrapped around funny. Bah.
[23:14] <dtchen> Halow: ok, can you check pidgin's preferences to see what the command is to play sounds?
[23:15] <Halow> dtchen: The method is set to "Automatic".
[23:15] <dtchen> Halow: what are the other choices?
[23:16] <Halow> dtchen: Console beep, ESD, ALSA, Command and No Sounds.
[23:16] <aboSamoor> I have fingerprint read on my thinkpad R61 what am I supposed to in Jaunty to use it ?
[23:16] <dtchen> Halow: if you choose "Command", is there an autofilled command?
[23:16] <Halow> dtchen: None.
[23:17] <dtchen> Halow: try choosing that and entering: paplay %s
[23:18] <Halow> dtchen: Hm... still a large delay. Perhaps I need to restart pidgin?
[23:19] <dtchen> Halow: no idea, i don't use or triage pidgin, sorry
[23:20] <Halow> dtchen: It's OK. I also noticed that opening things related to sound were slow in even opening. Volume control from the menu as well as pavucontrol, the Sounds menu...
[23:22] <sergiu> hi
[23:22] <dtchen> Halow: you can also attempt trying glitch-free
[23:22] <dtchen> err, s/trying//
[23:23] <sergiu> how fast ubuntu 9.04 is booting? it seems it boots much more faster then any previous version of ubuntu
[23:23] <Halow> dtchen: Is that with or without the "tsched=0" part? I tried both ways, it was the same.
[23:23] <dtchen> Halow: without
[23:23] <dtchen> Halow: is the audio delay only reproducible in pidgin?
[23:24] <Halow> dtchen: And system sounds, which I axed.
[23:25] <Halow> dtchen: I tried to open Skype, but it just sat around as a greyed box, so I'm not sure if it was relevent or not, but I never even heard the login sound from it.
[23:26] <Halow> Seems like the short sounds wait around...
[23:26] <dtchen> Halow: please install paprefs and verify that the "Add virtual output..." checkbox in the "Simultaneous Output" tab is *not* checked
[23:27] <Halow> dtchen: I use two sound cards, it had been checked when upgraded, but I unchecked it when I started having the problem.
[23:29] <dtchen> (away for a bit)
[23:29] <Halow> Sure thing.
[23:48] <DaemonFC> is Synaptic's search feature broken?
[23:48] <DaemonFC> or am I just lucky?
[23:49] <hmw> broken in which way?
[23:49] <DaemonFC> search for anything and it comes up blank
[23:49] <DaemonFC> clear the field and it'll list everything
[23:50] <hmw> i had that too, but i clicked on "all" and it seemed to work again. i am not sure, if that was the reason for it not to work, and i didnt reproduce it
[23:50] <hmw> might be a minor glitch
[23:51] <DaemonFC> well, sometimes the fast find works as you type
[23:51] <DaemonFC> but it doesn't match package names
[23:51] <DaemonFC> just stuff out of the description I guess
[23:51] <hmw> hmm... let me check
[23:51] <DaemonFC> here's an easy one for you
[23:52] <DaemonFC> search for 2vcard
[23:52] <DaemonFC> first package in my list
[23:52] <hmw> lists a package named 2vcard
[23:52] <DaemonFC> hmmmm
[23:52] <hmw> "Package" columnt shows that name
[23:52] <hmw> -t
[23:52] <DaemonFC> now mine did too
[23:52] <DaemonFC> what in the hell?
[23:52] <DaemonFC> heh
[23:53] <DaemonFC> well dammit
[23:53] <DaemonFC> now it's working
[23:53] <DaemonFC> Ubuntu Gremlins
[23:53] <hmw> my impression was, that i selected some group or alike, next time you think you might expiriencing that, click on ALL and try again.
[23:53] <DaemonFC> I still say gremlins
[23:53] <lifi_> hey, i just installed jaunty with fglrx and dual-head. got no problems, till i tried to activate xinerama. pc hangs up when it tries to start X. anyone in here with a working dual-head conf and could help me out
[23:53] <hmw> i'd like to know, if it was just me or if there is really some bug
[23:53] <hmw> yea... i sort of like those gremlins
[23:54] <DaemonFC> lifi_: Don't use FGLRX if you can avoid it
[23:54] <hmw> fglrx gives me headaches
[23:54] <DaemonFC> RadeonHD supports a lot of newer cards as well or better
[23:54] <crdlb> s/HD//
[23:55] <lifi_> do i just have to change fglrx to radeon in the xorg.conf?
[23:55] <hmw> i think, you got to completely purge it before switching back
[23:55] <crdlb> you have to uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx and reboot
[23:55] <hmw> crdlb: reboot? wouldnt reastarting x do the trick, too?
[23:55] <DaemonFC> lifi_: Change it to "amd"
[23:55] <crdlb> no
[23:56] <DaemonFC> that will autodetect it and load the right module
[23:56] <hmw> crdlb: can you elaborate a little on the reason, please?
[23:56] <crdlb> DaemonFC: don't you mean "ati"?
[23:56] <crdlb> hmw: DRM kernel module
[23:56] <DaemonFC> no, X.org docs say use amd
[23:56] <hmw> thx
[23:56] <DaemonFC> so unless Ubuntu changed it, it's amd
[23:56] <crdlb> there's no reason to use it though; just use radeon
[23:56] <lifi_> and after that i could try getting dual-head working with xrandr?
[23:56] <crdlb> actually, just use nothing at all, it's autodetected
[23:57] <DaemonFC> amd picks the right one
[23:57] <DaemonFC> there are 3
[23:57] <crdlb> there's radeon for all cards we care about :)
[23:57] <crdlb> and for all cards that fglrx supports
[23:57] <DaemonFC> radeon is for older cards
[23:57] <DaemonFC> radeonhd is for newer ones
[23:57] <crdlb> no
[23:58] <DaemonFC> amd is a stub that will auto-detect and load the correct one
[23:58] <crdlb> it's ati
[23:58] <crdlb> X may choose to rename it to "amd" at some point in the future, but they haven't as of jaunty
[23:58] <lifi_> any chance getting compiz working with ati?
[23:58] <crdlb> lifi_: what GPU?
[23:58] <lifi_> radeon 3650
[23:58] <crdlb> compiz can run on R500 and below with the radeon driver
[23:59] <crdlb> then no
[23:59] <lifi_> but dual-head should work? :)
[23:59] <lifi_> thats all i need atm
[23:59] <DaemonFC> I've used Compiz on my Radeom Xpress 200m with X's driver
[23:59] <hmw> fglrx (or the hardware?) allows only texture sizes of 2048^2, so you can only use 2 heads at 1024 or you place the screens one above the other to get higher x-resolutions
[23:59] <DaemonFC> FGLRX still can't
[23:59] <crdlb> lifi_: honestly, I'm not sure, but it's worth a shot