[00:05] <gnomefreak> ever get those feelings a package is going to fail to build? if so how do you get rid of the feeling :(
[00:06] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: you start building it a 2nd time
[00:06] <BUGabundo1> even before 1 is over ?
[00:07] <asac> BUGabundo1: so pt folks get sis hardware because of olpc?
[00:07] <BUGabundo1> humm
[00:07] <BUGabundo1> not quite
[00:07] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo1: first time around for this
[00:07] <BUGabundo1> that's a short version for IRC
[00:08] <asac> gnomefreak: just do different stuff
[00:08] <BUGabundo1> long story: students get free/cheap laptops
[00:08] <asac> gnomefreak: usually packages dont fail to build if you didnt do anything risky ;)
[00:08] <BUGabundo1> some of those are "Magalhaes"
[00:08] <BUGabundo1> the OLPC ones
[00:08] <BUGabundo1> some a bigger laptops (15")
[00:09] <asac> so which distro do they end up using?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> asac: pre release is risky all by its self :) but during commit it said 2 files changed they were our files
[00:09] <asac> maybe a special distro just for those laptops?
[00:09] <BUGabundo1> and the options are HP, Toshiba, Fujitsu AND Insys... a PT brand
[00:09] <BUGabundo1> with SiS based HW
[00:09] <asac> gnomefreak: mozilla has high quality of commits. even random snapshot have high likelyhood to build
[00:09] <BUGabundo1> those laptops come with Vista and/or CaixaMagica
[00:10] <BUGabundo1> let me try to get the site
[00:10] <asac> yeah. so CaixaMagica is a special distro for that i guess
[00:10] <asac> so seems like its something like guadelinex in spain
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> asac: you may remember when I spent two days around one of those InSys to try to get network up
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> http://www.caixamagica.pt/pag/a_index.php
[00:11] <asac> the yprobably have a high volume deal with sis and get crappy proprietary drivers from them
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> I guess
[00:11] <asac> yeah i found that site ... i understood a bit though its not in english
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> can we extract it (legally) from the image?
[00:11] <asac> BUGabundo1: but yeah. so wait a bit until they get busted
[00:11] <gnomefreak> asac: true its just the .prerm and .postinst changed atleast i think those were the 2 files either way it was our files that changed and i didnt touch them
[00:11] <asac> BUGabundo1: because sis doesnt come up with new versions of drivers
[00:12] <BUGabundo1> source link http://www.caixamagica.pt/pag/b_codg00.php
[00:12] <asac> BUGabundo1: then they will learn and either put pressure on sis to upstream their drivers
[00:12] <asac> or start using  different hardware vendor
[00:12] <asac> usually these kind of cooperations work well in first release cycle
[00:12] <asac> but then when all the hardware is bought and so on
[00:13] <asac> the hardware vendor doesnt provide the updates drivers and finally the notice that they screwed themself
[00:13] <BUGabundo1> just today I touched a another one, the user broke the system, booted a daily live usb jaunty
[00:13] <BUGabundo1> wifi got IP, but no network
[00:13] <asac> thats odd
[00:13] <BUGabundo1> 3G dongle wouldn't connect either
[00:13] <asac> if you get an IP it should be good
[00:13] <BUGabundo1> tried on my laptop, and nothing either
[00:13] <asac> BUGabundo1: well 3g dongle is independent
[00:13] <asac> if its not the dongle they delivered
[00:14] <asac> BUGabundo1: yeah. as you noted. there could be a regresion on the 3g thing
[00:14] <asac> BUGabundo1: but for wifi you need to tell me the chipset
[00:14] <asac> driver used
[00:14] <asac> BUGabundo1: what 3g dongle is that?
[00:14] <asac> e.g. what driver?
[00:14] <BUGabundo1> humm I did an lspci -vv
[00:14] <asac> hso?
[00:15] <asac> BUGabundo1: that but more important is lsub
[00:15] <asac> lsusb
[00:15] <asac> ;)
[00:15] <BUGabundo1> once I saw SiS  I just told him to reinstall CaixaMaginca
[00:15] <asac> BUGabundo1: well. some SiS motherboard stuff is definitly supported
[00:15] <asac> if its not a SiS wifi its probably not really related
[00:15] <BUGabundo1> not acording to most users on our loco team ML
[00:15] <asac> if graphics and stuff works its unlikely to be a SiS thing
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> I'll get my hands on one
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> and test a daily or milestone jaunty
[00:16] <asac> BUGabundo1: yes. get that thing to you
[00:16] <asac> and then one can look
[00:16] <asac> just testing somewhere and then reporting wont help
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> I think I sent you logs last time too
[00:16] <asac> we need interactive debugging
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> lert me check loco #
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> to see if anyone has one
[00:16] <asac> could be. usually just logs are not really helpful. only in the context of other input they might fill in gaps on uncertainty
[00:17] <asac> BUGabundo1: where in pt are you based?
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> Porto
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> actually 10KMs left... Gondomar
[00:18] <gnomefreak> asac: an easy way to find out what -dbgsym packages are needed for an app crash? i need to write up  procedure for tb but i wouold rather not miss any
[00:18] <asac> i guess any "roman language" country has a porto
[00:18] <asac> so though i think i know it i probably know a spanish porto ;)
[00:18] <gnomefreak> you lied it failed
[00:18] <asac> yeah i see gondomar on maps.google.com
[00:18] <gnomefreak> damnit i know why iti failed
[00:18] <asac> is porto a nice city?
[00:19] <asac> compared to lisboa?
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> I find it so
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> much more calm
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> lisbon is just crazy
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> never stops!
[00:20] <asac> sounds like the place i would love to be ;) (crazy, never stops)
[00:20] <asac> no seriously. sometimes smaller cities have more charme
[00:20] <asac> and are more beautiful
[00:20] <asac> usually depends on what the city came from
[00:20] <asac> is it an industrial city
[00:20] <BUGabundo1> I love the view here!
[00:20] <asac> or rather a grown fisher town ;)
[00:20] <asac> BUGabundo1: is porto an old city?
[00:21] <asac> e.g. like 1500 ... or even older?
[00:21] <BUGabundo1> good kestion!
[00:21] <BUGabundo1> let me check wikipedia
[00:21] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> "Historic references to the city go back to the 4th century and to Roman times"
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> old I guess
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> LOLOL
[00:22] <asac> great
[00:23] <asac> if its not too small its probably a great place to be
[00:23] <asac> but doesnt speak for you that you dont even know that you live in such an old city;)
[00:23] <asac> even if one doesnt like history, some local history can never hurt ;)
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondomar_%28Portugal%29
[00:24] <BUGabundo1> 2M habitants in Porto I think
[00:24] <BUGabundo1> I know the storie! just didn't know how old it was
[00:24] <asac> looks good on wikipedia
[00:26] <asac> BUGabundo1: look at sevilles climate table ;) ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seville
[00:27] <BUGabundo1> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondomar
[00:27] <asac> the summer average is 10 degree Celcius higher ;)
[00:27] <BUGabundo1> 1193
[00:27] <BUGabundo1> yes sevilha is hotter
[00:27] <asac> but seville is so beautiful with so many old buildings. i never really understood how they could built somethingthere
[00:27] <BUGabundo1> *we* go there for vacation sometimes
[00:28] <asac> building in winter maybe ... but living in summer with work and all is kind of impossible ;)
[00:28] <asac> gondomar is too small for me
[00:28] <asac> 25k folks
[00:28] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[00:28] <asac> thats like a village
[00:29] <asac> everbody knows you ;)
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> yeah not too much life after dark
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> just like I like it
[00:29] <asac> even if you dont know them ;)
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> actually know
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> Gondomar is one of the Biggest places we have
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> and one of the most populase
[00:29] <asac> but porto looks good
[00:30] <asac> only thing i really find unfortunate for portugal is that they only have the cold atlantic
[00:30] <asac> definitly beautiful
[00:30] <BUGabundo1> why unfor?
[00:31] <asac> BUGabundo1: too cold to sit in there for hours and drink a cocktail ;)
[00:31] <asac> good for the climate
[00:31] <asac> on land
[00:31] <asac> but i like water like in the carribean
[00:32] <asac> but maybe i should actually try. i was only once in portugal in the south .. that was in may and i couldnt take a bath because it felt too cold ;)
[00:33] <gnomefreak> mozilla 93776 124065
[00:33] <asac> obviously better than the baltic sea we have here in germany ;) ...
[00:33] <gnomefreak> i really dont like havint to fix it
[00:33] <BUGabundo1> asac: water is too cold pretty much all year
[00:33] <asac> BUGabundo1: right. thats what makes it unfortunate
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> only Espinho and Angeiras have nice water on summer
[00:34]  * gnomefreak hands it to asac when i come to a reasoning why we should fix it
[00:34] <asac> BUGabundo1: i would prefer portugal over spain ... but somehow i think the only place i would move to in europe would be barcelona
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> that's why ppl go to Algarve
[00:34] <asac> because of the water ;)
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> yes
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> its great there too
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> loved my summer vacations there
[00:34] <BUGabundo1> but Gran Palmas... ui ui
[00:35] <asac> BUGabundo1: does portugal have access to mediteraen see?
[00:35] <asac> sea
[00:35] <asac> just a tiny bit of algarve i guess
[00:35] <BUGabundo1> asac: tiny???
[00:35] <BUGabundo1> its the best in all europe!
[00:36] <asac> BUGabundo1: hmm. you dont even have access to medditeareanen sea
[00:36] <asac> i thought malaga was algarve
[00:36] <asac> i guess i confused that
[00:37] <asac> BUGabundo1: so algarve is the atlantic where faro is?
[00:38] <BUGabundo1> that's already medit
[00:38] <BUGabundo1> we wouldn't call it atlantica
[00:38] <BUGabundo1> ok... maybe Sagres
[00:39] <asac> BUGabundo1: well. medit starts at gibraltar ;)
[00:39] <asac> everything west of that is atlantic
[00:40] <asac> but yeah. i mean even the north sea here between britain and germany is atlantic ;)
[00:40] <asac> so yes, there are different names ;)
[00:44]  * asac gets a whiskey to end his day ;)
[00:48] <BUGabundo1> Try Vinho do Porto
[00:49] <asac> right porto is where the port wines come from
[00:49] <asac> but i dont like those
[00:49] <asac> similar to how i hate whiskey ;)
[00:49] <asac> but i have this 15 year old thing here and i thought it must be good ;)
[00:49] <asac> but it isnt :(
[00:51] <BUGabundo1> I don't drink any alchool drinks
[00:52]  * BUGabundo1 mumbles something for having been ban from #u+1 for much less OT then this last 15 min
[00:52] <asac> you got banned?
[00:52] <asac> heh
[00:52] <asac> by gnomefreak ?
[00:52] <asac> ;)
[00:52] <BUGabundo1> PVT
[00:52] <gnomefreak> by?
[00:53] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: is coold
[00:53] <BUGabundo1> *cool
[00:53] <BUGabundo1> don't blame him
[00:54]  * gnomefreak is getting pissed off trying to explain why we dont build with an option that only fixes one fucking domain
[00:54] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[00:57] <asac> gnomefreak: are you working on bugs?
[00:57]  * asac thinks that live without bug processing is much more fun :)
[00:58] <gnomefreak> sort of
[00:59] <asac> usually its ok if folks dont understand how things go ... but what makes things really bad is when folks think they have the right to disagree ;)
[00:59] <gnomefreak> i dont think shipping firefox/seamonkey withWALLET_DONT_CACHE_ALL_PASSWORDS undefined is a good idea only because yahoo opt out of mozilla's option to save or not save passwords
[01:00] <asac> i mean of course they have the right to disagree ... but flaming that to the bugs doesnt help anyone
[01:00] <gnomefreak> asac: any way that can be changed in about:config?
[01:00] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont know what that issue is about actually
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it
[01:00] <asac> yahoo doesnt ask to save password?
[01:00] <asac> how do they opt out?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> bug 243037
[01:00] <asac> wow
[01:02] <gnomefreak> asac: it was designed for finanatial sites example banks ect...
[01:02] <asac> i always thought that wallet is something that isnt even available as a build option in xul 1.9
[01:02] <asac> its the old thing used by tbird 2 and mailnews
[01:02] <gnomefreak> from upstream the comment is "The opt-out feature was added to satisfy the strong demands of the financial
[01:02] <gnomefreak> community."
[01:03] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. so if upstream wontfixed it
[01:03] <asac> we should wont fix it too
[01:03] <gnomefreak> i tried that
[01:03] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[01:03] <BUGabundo1> funny read
[01:03] <gnomefreak> rolf reopend it
[01:03] <asac> let me try again
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ill think of a way to put it nicely in a few. i already sent one reply but im offline in tb atm
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: done
[01:04] <gnomefreak> thanks
[01:04] <asac> lets see what happens
[01:05] <asac> ok so seems i crashed ffox 3.6 daily finally
[01:05] <asac> really rare for me
[01:05] <asac> even though its trunk daily
[01:05]  * gnomefreak lost train of thought 
[01:06] <BUGabundo1> 3.5 is freezing a lot
[01:06]  * BUGabundo1 knows that asac is going to blame one of the 53 addons
[01:07] <asac> heh
[01:07] <asac> really, i would always suggest that you should reconsider your attitude towards addons ;)
[01:07] <asac> i cannot really believe that all addons are needed for your daily work ;)
[01:09] <asac> "US Nuclear Sub Crashes Into US Navy Amphibious Vessel " <- gnomefreak stop doing that ;)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:10] <asac> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/21/2227212&from=rss
[01:10] <asac> thats really dangerous ;)
[01:11]  * gnomefreak reading
[01:12] <gnomefreak> that is bad
[01:12]  * gnomefreak laughing at The headline should be "US Navy perfects underwater stealth technology."
[01:13] <asac> lol
[01:14] <asac> its always funny ... all those experts ... like here i read:
[01:14] <asac> "You obviously haven't served in the submarine force, have demonstrated zero actual knowledge of how submarines operate,...."
[01:14] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[01:14] <asac> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/21/2033211&from=rss i read:
[01:14] <asac> Um, what the heck are you talking about? The ARP timeout is two minutes, not twenty. Speaking as someone who's also implemented IPv6 and used it pretty extensively, it sounds like you really don't know what you're talking about.
[01:14] <gnomefreak> omg
[01:14] <BUGabundo1> asac: not all. that's why some are disable
[01:14] <asac> BUGabundo1: ok. i cant see that in the list you submit ;)
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> most of them, yes, I enjoy the added features
[01:15] <asac> maybe could be improved
[01:15] <asac> BUGabundo1: so how many are on?
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> when on vanila FF I miss most
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> asac: actually you should
[01:15] <asac> if you could assemble a list of "enabled" addons and submit them with bugs i would probably look at them again ;)
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> it says DISABLE
[01:15] <asac> assuming its not 35 ;)
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135133/
[01:15] <asac> ok. thats still 40 on
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> that's the full list
[01:16] <asac> is that what we  ahve in our extensionsummary.txt in the bugs?
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> I've been meaning to start a new 3.5 profile
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> and install them from fresh
[01:16] <asac> "Jaikungfu 0.3.13
[01:16] <asac> "
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> already got all upstream sites into bookmarks
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> yeah that's dead
[01:16] <asac> thats probably a candidate i would have never missed nor noticed at any time of my life ;)
[01:16] <BUGabundo1> jonas is porting it into jaikuengine
[01:17] <asac> what is it doing?
[01:17] <asac> Mr Uptime 0.9.3
[01:17] <BUGabundo1> http://www.jaiku.com/channel/jaikungfu/presence/903e2cf4de224bcdad5a487dd48ddea2
[01:17] <asac> i think nobody would miss that either ;)
[01:17] <asac> "Netcraft Anti-Phishing Toolbar 1.2
[01:17] <asac> "
[01:17] <asac> what does that do?
[01:17] <BUGabundo1> actually its quite nice
[01:17] <asac> you feel safer with that?
[01:17] <BUGabundo1> when page is down, I get a messge when its back up
[01:18] <asac> quite nice doesnt mean its required
[01:18] <BUGabundo1> not safer
[01:18] <BUGabundo1> don't use it for that!
[01:18] <asac> i mean it can allso be nice to have rolling tits on your firefox window ;) that shake when you pull them with the mouse ;)
[01:18] <BUGabundo1> I like to see the site origin, date created, server owner
[01:18] <BUGabundo1> stuff
[01:18] <asac> but its not really useful ;)
[01:18] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have any feelings towards me packaging gnash 0.8.5 for PPA? to see if anything is bad with it? maybe next week ill have time but not putting too much time into it
[01:18] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: how is flash 64 packing going?
[01:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i think i tried it and it built
[01:19] <asac> unfortunately i didnt manage to finish it as i got distracted
[01:19] <asac> its basically just a merge of the release revision on the packaging branch
[01:19] <asac> bumping version in changelog
[01:19] <asac> and i think adding one fileset to the .install files of gnash-common
[01:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo1: its not i cant find upstream source nor md5sum and i would have to set up a qmenu and im not looking forward to that at this time
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> okay
[01:20] <asac> Remove It Permanently 1.0.6.4
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> old habbit....
[01:20] <asac> i use rm -rf ;)
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> eheheehehehehehe
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> not on websites
[01:20] <asac> Paste and Go 2 0.8
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> oh Fab!
[01:20] <BUGabundo1> can't leave without
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> it broke a while ago
[01:21] <asac> paste and go?
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> went crazy until it got fixed
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[01:21] <asac> for me it sounds like it doesnt contribute to being focussed
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> ctrl+shift+v pastes URLs to new tab
[01:21] <asac> i mean by definition you cannot think twice when "going" ;)
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> and opens
[01:21] <BUGabundo1> with just one move
[01:21] <asac> BUGabundo1: you can use middle mouse to paste urls
[01:21] <gnomefreak> boy you got little shit complains in firefox. whens the next upload for firefox-3.0 to ubuntu repos?
[01:21] <asac> to new tabs
[01:22] <BUGabundo1> without it: ctrl+t, paste, enter
[01:22] <BUGabundo1> asac: don't like PC mice
[01:22] <gnomefreak> make that ubufox
[01:22] <asac> BUGabundo1: ctrl+middlemouse -> opens new tab with url you had copied
[01:22] <BUGabundo1> nice to know
[01:22] <BUGabundo1> still requires mouse
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> I don't have one here now.
[01:23] <asac> CustomizeGoogle 0.76
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> touchpad sucks for midlleclick
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[01:23] <asac> i would think one can surely live without that
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> oh no
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> great options there
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> ehehheheeeheh
[01:23] <asac> well
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> I should try the all list
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[01:23] <asac> its really matter of cleaning up
[01:23] <BUGabundo1> wouldn't go back
[01:23] <asac> i mean its hard to throw away old things that stacked up
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> I do!
[01:24] <asac> over time
[01:24] <asac> its like hose cleaning
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> I haven't got ONE new in weeks
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> and removed a few
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> and disable all I don't use
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> the last one to be added was the longurl
[01:24] <asac> for you not getting ONE new for weeks should not be the goal
[01:24] <asac> rather removing 2 a week ;)
[01:24] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[01:25] <asac> yeah but well
[01:25] <BUGabundo1> I'll try to make a new profile and just instal the bare minium
[01:25] <BUGabundo1> still I bet they will grow fast
[01:25] <asac> BUGabundo1: remove stuff when you dont use it for a week
[01:25] <BUGabundo1> TMB, noscript, addblock, betterGreader, bla bla
[01:26]  * BUGabundo1 checks firefox status bar for unused addons
[01:26] <BUGabundo1> ok 2
[01:26] <BUGabundo1> maybe 4
[01:26] <asac> i would say 10
[01:26] <asac> ;)
[01:26] <asac> for now
[01:26] <asac> GO 1.0.0 beta
[01:26] <asac> ViewMyCurrency 0.3897
[01:27] <gnomefreak> is anyone else seeing the page loading (greyish blue) color in the address bar when loading?
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: on which ffox version?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i dont have the bar in lower right corner of 3.0.7
[01:27] <gnomefreak> its in awsomebar now
[01:28] <gnomefreak> awesomebar even
[01:28] <asac> i dont see that
[01:28] <asac> on 3.0
[01:28] <asac> nor on 3.6
[01:29] <gnomefreak> maybe an extension?
[01:29] <BUGabundo1> 12 disabled, 1 removed
[01:29] <gnomefreak> i thought we stopped supported firefox-2? if so why is someone trying to compile it
[01:30] <BUGabundo1> ViewMyCurrency is a bit broken for Euro
[01:30] <asac> just reading: so the former CEO of deutsche-post AG got caught in tax fraught thing and got fired ... now he gets 20 million EUR pension ... thats how it works
[01:30] <gnomefreak> asac: ill let you mark this as wont fix. bug 346506 we dont build anything using FF-2
[01:30] <gnomefreak> that i know of
[01:32] <BUGabundo1> how about that asac? is that any better?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> ok smoke than ill hit bugs not just email
[01:33] <asac> BUGabundo1: great
[01:33] <asac> BUGabundo1: thats good enough for today ;)
[01:33] <asac> 12 new disabled
[01:34] <asac> or 12 in total now?
[01:34] <BUGabundo1> 12 from the ones I add active
[01:35] <asac> sorry. cant parse that ;)?
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> and one removed
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> from all of those
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> I disabled 12
[01:35] <asac> yes. did you disable 12 on top of those that were already disabled in paste you posted above?
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> can't say it any other way
[01:35] <asac> or are now 12 disabled in total ;)
[01:35] <asac> ?
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> ahh
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> yes
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> more 12
[01:35] <asac> so how many are disabled now?
[01:35] <asac> 20?
[01:35] <BUGabundo1> haven't count how many are leaft active
[01:36] <asac> ;)
[01:36] <asac> no need to ;)
[01:36] <asac> we can continue in a week or so ;)
[01:36] <asac> Long URL Please 0.3.0
[01:36] <asac> ;)
[01:36] <BUGabundo1> around 33 active
[01:37] <BUGabundo1> asac: don't you hate µblog blind urls?
[01:37] <asac> ok long urls might make some sense for privacy
[01:37] <BUGabundo1> how the F. invented that?
[01:37] <asac> BUGabundo1: acutally no. but yeah. its dangerous and one should look where they go before clicking in general
[01:37] <BUGabundo1> asac: but they are blind!
[01:38] <BUGabundo1> you can't see where it takes you
[01:38] <asac> yes. thts why i said:
[01:38] <asac> 02:37 < asac> ok long urls might make some sense for privacy
[01:38] <asac> but i rather would want that feature in gwibber i guess
[01:38] <BUGabundo1> (01:37:39 AM) asac: BUGabundo1: its dangerous and one should look where they go before clicking in general
[01:38] <BUGabundo1> me too
[01:39] <asac> i dont want to replace them as it takes lot of space
[01:39] <gnomefreak> good news: i think i found SM2 build problem. bad news i dont have an upstream dir to run autoconf2.13
[01:39] <asac> just seeing where they point to while hoevering
[01:39] <asac> maybe domain is even enough
[01:39] <BUGabundo1> like qaiku does ?
[01:39] <asac> i sthat another extension? ;)
[01:40] <asac> or KDE ?
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> its a µblog
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> clone from jaiky
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> *jaiku
[01:41] <gnomefreak> http://www.qaiku.com/
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> they also short urls and just show domain a part of the path
[01:41] <asac> hmm meta bonding site?
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: you there too?
[01:41] <BUGabundo1> asac: ??
[01:41] <gnomefreak> no i searched for it when you didnt answer
[01:41] <gnomefreak> :) not sure what it is
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: looking at other channels backlog
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: it's a social network
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> one more... but better
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> has all the good stuff of jaiku
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> in my opinion the BEST SN/µB around
[01:42] <BUGabundo1> beats twitter by the mile
[01:42] <gnomefreak> dont know what that is either :) is it like a blog?
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> but since Google bought it (or the owners Know how) its dead
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> now, qaiku is leading where it was left
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: it can be
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> but µ
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> 140 chars
[01:43] <asac> why yet antoher social netowrking site?
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> but replies are unlimited
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[01:43] <gnomefreak> why do i get the feeling ive been to this site this morning when myrtle showed it
[01:43] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: she loves it too
[01:44] <gnomefreak> its was pink with turtles with hearts on them
[01:44] <gnomefreak> had your comments on it too
[01:44]  * asac drowns the whisky in the sink and gets a beer
[01:44] <BUGabundo1> she is so punped up on it, that she even copies/pastes MANUALLY everything there
[01:44] <BUGabundo1> until they have Gwibber and/or XMPP support
[01:44] <gnomefreak> yes it was this site. i see how the cvomments are set up
[01:45] <gnomefreak> still dont knwo what i would do with it
[01:46] <gnomefreak> click on channels at the top than ask yourself why more channels doesnt IRC have enough
[01:46] <BUGabundo1> eheheeh
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> well *those* µblogs (jaiku and qaiku, and even identica)
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> rival with IRC
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> its easier for noobs
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> and the web interface makes it easier
[01:47] <gnomefreak> asac: bzr doesnt adhear to the following bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder=  in theory it should leave upstream dir in build-area but doesnt so i cant run autoconf
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> besides the background queues allow you to do a lot more
[01:47] <BUGabundo1> xmpp, sms, email, rss etc
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> and IRC channels tend to be on topic!
[01:48] <gnomefreak> i just got the rss for asac's identica
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> on your µblog lifestream you just do what ever you want
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> eheeh
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> try not  to have mine
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> you may get flooded
[01:48] <BUGabundo1> but you may want my shared feed
[01:49] <BUGabundo1> its much clamer now, that works keeps me busy many hours
[01:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo1: stop with that charetor the "u" loking like thing. i cant do that and not sure what it is :( and people wonder why i dont come on at night
[01:49] <BUGabundo1> http://feeds.bugabundo.net/BUGabundo-sharedfeed
[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a my
[01:49] <BUGabundo1> µ=micro
[01:49] <asac> a greek letter
[01:49] <gnomefreak> thats a russia char i think
[01:49] <BUGabundo1> altgr m
[01:49] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:49] <asac> synonym for micro
[01:49] <asac> you type it with alt gr + m
[01:50] <asac> µ
[01:50] <asac> ;)
[01:50] <BUGabundo1> ehheh
[01:50] <BUGabundo1> you are the 1st to ever comment on it!
[01:50] <BUGabundo1> its so easy on linux
[01:50] <Greenery> Firefox 3.5 nightly build didn't close the app completely, although it was already closed. I ended up to have to kill it. Any idea why? I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 KDE4.2
[01:50] <BUGabundo1> Win u need alt+u253 or soemthing
[01:50] <asac> Greenery: firefox has issues if you replace files while its running
[01:50] <gnomefreak> brdisable ubufox and try
[01:50] <asac> Greenery: thats known
[01:51] <asac> and its one of the harder things to fix ,)
[01:51] <Greenery> ah i see...thought it was kubuntu only problem
[01:51] <gnomefreak> asac: it sounds like the issue i had where i had to killall firefox-3.1
[01:51] <asac> its most important that you close it as soon as possible
[01:51] <asac> without tring to open previously not opened parts of firefox
[01:51] <asac> otherwise it hangs and a hidden window stays alive
[01:51] <asac> that causes odd behaviuor
[01:52] <asac> yes. killall is the way to do that
[01:52] <asac> but its not something we can expect from users
[01:52] <Greenery> is there a bug number for that?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> come to think of it i remember that from cem
[01:53] <asac> Greenery: bug 36739
[01:53] <asac> old bug
[01:53] <gnomefreak> im still tryint to get the [1] or [2] in the upper part of the line for when linking people to somewhere you use bleh bleh bleh see[1] and so on than leave the links at bottom of whatever it is you are in
[01:53] <asac> setting to triaged ;)
[01:54] <asac> it predates times where triaged didnt exist
[01:54] <BUGabundo1> "Please View The Attachment And Call Mr.Akan Tutu On This No: + (27)74 87 11946. As Soon As Possible.Thanks You. " SPAM FAIL
[01:54] <BUGabundo1> hey asac that's nice! I got that EVERY single Class I gave
[01:55] <BUGabundo1> to the point I would force students to upgrade even before using FF
[02:00] <asac> ok i gave a status update on the bug
[02:01] <BUGabundo1> brb
[02:01] <BUGabundo1> gona grab something to eat
[02:01] <BUGabundo1> 2am is a bad hour to be up
[02:05] <BUGabundo1> back
[02:05]  * BUGabundo1 heads to LP to find older versions of NM
[02:07] <BUGabundo1> asac: lost...
[02:11] <BUGabundo1> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/0.7.1~rc3-0ubuntu1/+build/893213 ?
[02:15] <asac> BUGabundo1: yes. the binaries are on the right
[02:15] <asac> each .deb one page :-P
[02:15] <BUGabundo1> got them
[02:16] <BUGabundo1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135166/
[02:16] <BUGabundo1> if that's it, I'm installing and going to bed
[02:16] <BUGabundo1> test tommorow
[02:17] <asac> yes
[02:17] <BUGabundo1> cy
[02:18] <asac> cu
[09:55] <cwillu> hmm, latest build out of ubuntu-mozilla-daily, my mouse wheel doesn't work
[09:55] <cwillu> scroll bar works fine, but mouse wheel does nothing
[10:07] <cwillu> and now it works
[10:07] <cwillu> weird
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ok 1. why would the jaunty build of SM2 work and intrepid and hardy fail on the fsh patch. 2. on Jaunty patch ../../*config/Make.in fails to apply im guessing due to lack of running autoconf2.13?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> there was a 3. but dont remember off hand
[11:35] <gnomefreak> oh in  1. i didnt need to run autoconf2.13 on Jaunty and used same branch for hardy adn intrepid
[12:44] <gnomefreak> is this site in french? http://atilf.atilf.fr/tlf.htm
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: its not chinese
[13:26] <gnomefreak> oh shit i didnt see the .fr :(
[13:26] <asac> gnomefreak: you know that all english words ending with "ment" are french words do you?
[13:26] <asac> entertainment engagement ... and so on ;)
[13:26] <asac> treatment (well thats traitment i ges in french ... but you get the point ,))
[13:30] <gnomefreak> yep
[13:32] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 220628 is now the master bug for Xwindow errors in FF if there is already a master bug please let me know ill fix it
[13:40] <gnomefreak> atm has 11 duplicates on it
[13:44] <gnomefreak> its still early maybe i will do some real bug work not just email
[13:44] <gnomefreak> smoke
[13:51] <gnomefreak> bug 233990
[14:15] <asac> gnomefreak: looking ad id bug
[14:15] <asac> at
[14:47] <gnomefreak> i looked upstream and found a few but none that really explained it to me. i left the link from search on bug
[14:47] <gnomefreak> im going to eat
[15:20] <BUGabundo> asac: hi
[15:20] <BUGabundo> do you need any tests from me at bug 325868 ?
[15:20] <BUGabundo> or from my hw?
[15:21] <asac> BUGabundo: my questions were addressed to LeSpocky
[15:22] <BUGabundo> I know
[15:22] <BUGabundo> I read Kubuntu
[15:22] <asac> the symptoms on the wiki page are out of date
[15:22] <BUGabundo> okay
[15:22] <BUGabundo> good to know
[15:22] <asac> so the bug in general doesnt apply anymore
[15:22] <BUGabundo> I'm sub to the wiki, hasn't get any updateds
[15:22] <asac> e.g. we have pixel sized fonts and not point sized fonts
[15:22] <BUGabundo> nice
[15:22] <asac> BUGabundo: sure. i didnt even know something like that was on it
[15:22] <BUGabundo> guess I need to get a daily and test again
[15:22] <asac> BUGabundo: you shouzld unset your font settings
[15:22] <asac> in gconf
[15:22] <asac> to get what we ship by default
[15:23] <BUGabundo> how?
[15:23] <asac> otherwise you might still use points
[15:23] <asac> wait a sec
[15:24] <asac> gconftool-2 -u /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/document_font_name /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name
[15:24] <BUGabundo> and that info should be on the wiki! and release notes so that other users upgrading fix their system
[15:24] <asac> BUGabundo: i have to update it
[15:24] <BUGabundo> ohh everything is BIGGER now
[15:24] <asac> but first i need to fix the font config dialog
[15:24] <asac> atm i cannot tell how it will be in the end ;)
[15:25] <asac> BUGabundo: yes, could be
[15:25] <asac> BUGabundo: what font size did you previously use?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> 13.333 is bad
[15:25] <asac> BUGabundo: nah
[15:25] <BUGabundo> 8
[15:25] <BUGabundo> 13.3" @ 1280x800
[15:25] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. 13.333px is 10
[15:25] <BUGabundo> 112 DPIs
[15:25] <asac> so you need 10.666px
[15:25] <asac> yeah
[15:26] <BUGabundo> hey.. stuff is not changing!!!!!
[15:26] <asac> gconftool-2 -s --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name "Sans 10.666px"
[15:26] <BUGabundo> I can't reduce font now on appearance?
[15:26] <asac> gconftool-2 -s --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/document_font_name "Sans 10.666px"
[15:26] <asac> BUGabundo: dont use appearence
[15:26] <asac> thats currently not proper
[15:26] <BUGabundo> why?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> is there a bug for that?
[15:26] <asac> because i havent come to fix that yet
[15:26] <BUGabundo> okay
[15:27] <asac> run the comands above
[15:27] <BUGabundo> did
[15:27] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:27] <asac> and if your terminal is too big still use gconftool-2 -s --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Monospace 10.666px"
[15:27] <BUGabundo> still getting used to it
[15:27] <asac> BUGabundo: gnome-terminal has a bug. use the one from my ppa
[15:27] <BUGabundo> my terminal is never big enough
[15:27] <asac> e.g. gnome terminal makes sthings really big
[15:27] <BUGabundo> I always increase it
[15:28] <asac> heh
[15:28] <asac> ok
[15:28] <BUGabundo> I have bad vision
[15:28] <asac> then try to use my gnome-terminal from ppa and run:
[15:28] <asac> and if your terminal is too big still use gconftool-2 -s --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Monospace 14.666px"
[15:28] <asac> or even gconftool-2 -s --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Monospace 16px"
[15:29] <asac> BUGabundo: but take the terminal from my ppa for that otherwise it will be like 25 pixel of size ;)
[15:29] <asac> which is probably too big for you too
[15:29] <asac> i use 14.666px
[15:29] <BUGabundo> ehhee
[15:29] <BUGabundo> let me add your ppa
[15:30] <BUGabundo> just one question: how is this going to affect KDE apps?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> great... there goes my kmail title bar
[15:30] <asac> BUGabundo: kde still has the problem from the wiki page
[15:30] <asac> BUGabundo: thats why i ask him to test ubuntu, which has that fixed by using pixel sized fonts
[15:30] <BUGabundo> I should file a bug on that.... but I already know the response
[15:30] <BUGabundo> "kde apps on gnome?!"
[15:31] <asac> BUGabundo: i would recomment to use 13.333px like our defaults and 14.666px or even 16px for monospace
[15:31] <asac> BUGabundo: well. gtk-qt-engine might have some impact
[15:31] <asac> but i doubt it
[15:31] <asac> in general i didnt touch much that would affect qt
[15:31] <asac> and kde
[15:32] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_001.png
[15:33] <BUGabundo> also nautilus fonts are HUGE
[15:33] <BUGabundo> for files names
[15:33] <BUGabundo> Firefox menus and status bar are smallish
[15:34] <BUGabundo> FF Title bar are too big
[15:36] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_002.png
[15:36] <BUGabundo> firefox look
[15:56] <asac> BUGabundo: yes nautilus is a bug
[15:56] <asac> there are a bunch of apps that have some isues
[15:56] <BUGabundo> and FF?
[15:56] <asac> tbird, nautilus, pidgin
[15:56] <asac> FF should be right
[15:56] <asac> BUGabundo: the titlebar font looks like 10.666px
[15:56] <asac> if you changed it bck to 13.333px restart firefox
[15:57] <asac> firefox doesnt always update fonts instantaneously
[15:58] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:58] <BUGabundo> I'll do
[15:58] <BUGabundo> filing bugs now
[15:59] <asac> BUGabundo: for what?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> read #u-devel
[16:01] <BUGabundo> software-properties
[16:01] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/38781
[16:02] <asac> ah ok
[16:06] <BUGabundo> asac: 3.6 looks as bad!
[16:06] <BUGabundo> too small
[16:07] <asac> BUGabundo: as i said you are using 10.666px somewhere
[16:07] <asac> still
[16:07] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_003.png
[16:07] <BUGabundo> ahh
[16:07] <BUGabundo> missed that
[16:07] <BUGabundo> yes! Fonts still have 2 8
[16:08] <asac> BUGabundo: gconftool-2 -a /desktop/gnome/interface
[16:08] <asac> gconftool-2 -a /desktop/gnome/interface | grep font_na font_name = Sans 13.333px document_font_name = Sans 13.333px monospace_font_name = Monospace 14.666px
[16:08] <BUGabundo> Fonts: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_004.png
[16:08] <asac> BUGabundo: dont go to appearence dialog
[16:08] <asac> dont do that
[16:08] <asac> its currently broken
[16:09] <asac> just use gconf for now
[16:09] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135458/
[16:09] <BUGabundo> I didn't mess there
[16:09] <BUGabundo> its just showing the result of our changes
[16:09] <asac> BUGabundo: ok
[16:09] <asac> go to gconf-editor
[16:09] <asac> and set Monospace to 13.333px
[16:09] <asac> or even 14.666px
[16:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:09] <asac>  monospace_font_name
[16:09] <asac> is the key
[16:10] <asac> ok then set the others to 13.333px
[16:10] <asac> thats more likely what you want
[16:10] <asac> if you want the things a bit smaller use 12.000px
[16:10] <asac> e.g. for font_name
[16:10] <asac> and document_font_name
[16:10] <asac> ok ... so the window title is also an issue
[16:11] <asac> we havent changed that yet, but change
[16:11] <asac> /apps/metacity/general/titlebar_font
[16:11] <asac> use 13.333px
[16:11] <asac> or 12.000px
[16:11] <asac> or 10.666px
[16:11] <asac> for the titlebar_font
[16:12] <BUGabundo> calm down!
[16:12] <BUGabundo> ehee
[16:12] <asac> whatever you prefer
[16:12] <BUGabundo> can't type that fast
[16:12] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. i will stop now
[16:12] <BUGabundo> sorry
[16:12] <asac> just change the four keys  ;)
[16:12] <asac> BUGabundo: its all ;)
[16:12] <BUGabundo> its hard to change and test
[16:12] <asac> BUGabundo: nah
[16:12] <asac> just close the font appearence dialog ... never open it again ;)
[16:12] <asac> then go through gconf-editor and o the changes i said
[16:12] <asac> and then restart firefox
[16:15] <BUGabundo> ok, back
[16:15] <BUGabundo> stupid pidgin plugin memory leak!
[16:15] <asac> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/135459/
[16:15] <BUGabundo> uses all my ram and swap
[16:15] <asac> run those commands for normal sized fonts
[16:16] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135460/
[16:16] <asac> and those if you want everything one step smaller ;)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> close
[16:16] <BUGabundo> FF 3.6 is close to perfect
[16:17] <BUGabundo> title bar is too small, and tab text is too big
[16:17] <BUGabundo> fine tunning now
[16:17] <asac> BUGabundo: screenshot
[16:17] <asac> BUGabundo: title bar ... thats the last command you ran
[16:17] <asac> you can choose a bit bigger font there
[16:17] <asac> e.g. add 1.333
[16:17] <BUGabundo> pidgin fonts are huge too
[16:18] <asac> BUGabundo: thats a bug in pidgin
[16:18] <BUGabundo> and gnome apps bar
[16:18] <asac> ignore that for now
[16:18] <asac> i have the fix
[16:18] <asac> BUGabundo: what is gnome apps bar?
[16:18] <asac> please a screenshot. i probable dont know it yet
[16:18] <BUGabundo> the bottom bar
[16:18] <BUGabundo> uploading
[16:18] <BUGabundo> its 3G
[16:18] <BUGabundo> it takes a bit
[16:19] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot.png
[16:19] <BUGabundo> Nautilus Fonts is even bigger
[16:19] <asac> nautilus is known bug ... i will fix it (its already in the bug)
[16:20] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. pidgin is under control here
[16:20] <BUGabundo> $ gconftool-2 --type string -s /apps/metacity/general/titlebar_font "Sans 13.333px"
[16:20] <asac> the bottom bar looks ok
[16:20] <asac> thats the default font_name
[16:20] <BUGabundo> look better
[16:20] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. in general 13.333px is good for all
[16:20] <BUGabundo> humm but the gnome app bar is too big
[16:21] <BUGabundo> which one is it?
[16:21] <BUGabundo> gconftool-2 --type string -s /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Monospace 14.666px" > 13 ?
[16:21] <asac> yes. but it was never different from the other font_name things
[16:21] <asac> BUGabundo: no
[16:21] <asac> BUGabundo: its font_name
[16:21] <asac> thats used everywhere for you
[16:21] <asac> e.g. menu and so on
[16:21] <asac> so if you want the bottom bar smaller your menus and buttons and so on will be smaller in general
[16:21] <BUGabundo> menu is too big
[16:21] <BUGabundo> let me try 13.3
[16:22] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. so you want /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name 12px
[16:22] <asac> BUGabundo: menu is also font_name
[16:22] <BUGabundo> much better
[16:22] <asac> please run gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/interface/ again
[16:22] <asac> and paste it
[16:23] <asac> gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/interface
[16:23] <asac> (without the trailing slash)
[16:23] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f49295062
[16:23] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f44e5de2e
[16:23] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. thats the defaults we ship ;)
[16:23] <asac> BUGabundo: so you were just confused by the metacity titlebar thing
[16:23] <asac> (which we kept using the old unit for now)
[16:23] <asac> good
[16:24] <BUGabundo> ok so its pidgin and Nautilus bugs for now?
[16:24] <BUGabundo> yakes Terminal is huge!
[16:24] <BUGabundo> glad I set my own to 11px
[16:26] <asac> BUGabundo: terminal is fixed in my ppa
[16:27] <asac> same for thunderbird
[16:27] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:27] <BUGabundo> upgrading now
[16:27] <gnomefreak> *Warning* Email Flood: please check email often to prevent too much flooding
[16:27] <BUGabundo> I always set manually
[16:27] <asac> current gnome terminal just uses your px value and uses them as point ... so things are really huge
[16:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ROFL
[16:27] <gnomefreak> asac: i need a way to find out what -dbgsym packages are needed for tb2 crash reports
[16:27] <gnomefreak> im cleaning up FF2.0 bug reports
[16:28] <gnomefreak> down to 293 started over 330
[16:28] <BUGabundo> asac: one more
[16:28] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_005.png
[16:28] <BUGabundo> update manager
[16:30] <asac> yeah update manager is bogus
[16:30] <asac> BUGabundo: i would think its a update-Manager default thing
[16:30] <asac> lets check
[16:31] <gnomefreak> looking
[16:31] <gnomefreak> fonts?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:33]  * gnomefreak wonders why you are still having issues with font.
[16:33] <gnomefreak> asac: as i recall U-M gets fonts from system
[16:35] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. ok update-manager suffers from broken gtk which i have fixed
[16:35] <asac> let me check
[16:36] <asac> lol ... i dont have update-manager installed ;)
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[16:42] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop installs it ;)
[16:46] <BUGabundo> he is not using u-desktop
[16:48] <gnomefreak> he uses firefox and by trial and error if using a devel cycle you should have u-d installed to reduce upgrade problems ;)
[16:49] <asac> i dont know ;)
[16:49] <asac> i think i dropped it at some point
[16:50] <BUGabundo> I guess it forces some package you didn't want
[16:52] <gnomefreak> like evolution :)
[16:52] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:52] <gnomefreak> 279 left, smoke my back hurts like shit
[16:52] <BUGabundo> I just use it as PIM for calendar and gmail contacts
[16:52] <BUGabundo> for mail I rather user KMail
[16:52] <BUGabundo> even with all its crashes and unfixed bugs
[16:58] <gnomefreak> i havent figured out how to set up any of the text based emails so i use SM2 and TB3 for all but 2 of my emails. the 2 left are spam catchers
[17:04] <BUGabundo> ah?
[17:06] <gnomefreak> i have 2 emails that i route spam to :)
[17:08] <BUGabundo> yes that I got
[17:08] <BUGabundo> I have some spam inboxes too
[17:08] <BUGabundo> but the all text based?
[17:08] <BUGabundo> mutt?
[17:11] <BUGabundo> asac: have you seen OOo??
[17:11] <BUGabundo> its the biggest Font issue I've seen
[17:11] <asac> given that update-manager remove i expect that i dont have it either ;)
[17:11] <asac> BUGabundo: please screen
[17:12] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i havent figured any of them out yet :(
[17:12] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-1.png
[17:12] <BUGabundo> asac: ^^^^^
[17:13] <BUGabundo> status bar is too big
[17:13] <BUGabundo> Menu bar is huge
[17:13] <BUGabundo> font name and size boxes are too big
[17:13] <BUGabundo> oh and the ruler
[17:21] <gnomefreak> i blame extensions ;)
[17:21] <asac> nah. its certainly a OOO bug
[17:21] <asac> given so many apps having regressions i feel like this is not gonna make it ... meaning back to point font sizing for jaunty
[17:22] <BUGabundo> yeah
[17:22] <BUGabundo> its to short on time
[17:40] <gnomefreak> what is the bug number for the right click master bug?
[17:42] <asac> gnomefreak: bug 187313
[17:42] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[17:48] <gnomefreak> oh what the fuck. am i here?
[17:48] <gnomefreak> this is becoming a pain in the ass OOPS-1177EC92
[17:48] <gnomefreak> ill talk to #lp in a bit
[17:49] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I see you
[17:52] <gnomefreak> than why OOPS :(
[17:55] <BUGabundo> LP edge slow?
[18:00] <gnomefreak> no i tryed changing it and it changed but gave me an oops anyway
[18:01] <gnomefreak> it is reproducible in staging as well
[18:05] <[reed]> How do I remove all mention of a package from dpkg's db without actually removing any of the files?
[18:08] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get clean? that should clean out the cache but not sure if packages go too
[18:08] <[reed]> like, I have a package installed
[18:08] <BUGabundo> archive packages go
[18:08] <[reed]> but I want to remove it from being controlled by apt/dpkg
[18:08] <[reed]> and leave it completely in my control (as in, just the files, no packaging info at all)
[18:08] <BUGabundo> only way I know
[18:08] <BUGabundo> is to remove the package and then install from source
[18:09] <BUGabundo> any deb use, will include it on DB
[18:12] <gnomefreak> why not just pin it? that way ubuntu doesnt update it
[18:18] <gnomefreak> ok who wants to fix SM2 it should be a simple autoconf2.13 only problem is bzr --dont-purge is not leaving the dir in build-area at the rate im going ill never get to it.
[18:30] <cwillu> [reed], you can't, without hacking the db
[18:30] <cwillu> [reed], back up a step though, what are you trying to do?
[18:32] <[reed]> I installed a .deb, and now I want to swap to manually maintaining this package using just an svn checkout, but I don't want dpkg/apt/aptitude to remove my existing config and such... I ended up just renaming everything, dpkg -r'ing it, and then renaming it back
[18:32] <[reed]> that worked...
[18:32] <cwillu> [reed], the config (anything in /etc) isn't removed when you remove a package
[18:32] <[reed]> the config isn't in /etc, though
[18:32] <[reed]> so, I wasn't too sure if it would remove it or not ;)
[18:33] <cwillu> if it was a proper debian/ubuntu package, and the configuration was actually configuration, and not scripts that were part of the application that you hacked on, then they should be left alone :p
[18:34] <cwillu> anything in your home directory also counts as config
[18:34] <[reed]> it's not a proper debian/ubuntu package...
[18:34] <[reed]> just a .deb somebody created for a package :)
[18:56] <BUGabundo> [OT] Ubuntu gurus: please review and help me improve it for my next FLOSS class: http://hellotxt.com/l/gtEN
[18:57] <fta> hi
[18:57] <BUGabundo> hi fta
[18:58] <gnomefreak> down to an even 200
[18:58] <fta> asac, 3G didn't work at all on my netbook :(
[18:58] <gnomefreak> brb
[18:58] <BUGabundo> fta did you down grade the NM libs?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> I did... still haven't tested it though
[18:59] <BUGabundo> fta 0.7.1~rc3-0ubuntu1
[18:59] <fta> it's a fresh install, no ppa
[18:59] <asac> fta: i dont know what drivre you have
[18:59] <BUGabundo> fresh trunk NM won't work
[19:00] <BUGabundo> I tried yesterday with daily build
[19:00] <fta> it's the same key, the huawei
[19:00] <BUGabundo> me too
[19:00] <BUGabundo> e220 I think
[19:00] <BUGabundo> fta that's why I asked if you could downgrade NM
[19:01] <asac> yeah try to downgrade
[19:01] <BUGabundo> to version 0.7.1~rc3-0ubuntu1
[19:01] <asac> there are a few filer functions added that should prevent too many devices from popping up
[19:01] <BUGabundo> I *think* that one worked
[19:01] <BUGabundo> asac: log is strange for trunk version
[19:01] <asac> yes that was before the attempt to fix device detection
[19:01] <BUGabundo> log shows it but says no serial port
[19:01] <fta> BUGabundo, without any kind of network access, no i didn't
[19:02] <fta> asac, btw, in the UNR image, ppp is not installed :(
[19:03] <asac> sigh
[19:03] <fta> so if you install remix on a netbook, plug you 3G key, n-m asks you to configure it, then you wait and you're doomed
[19:03] <fta> the logs shows no pppd binary found
[19:03] <asac> didnt know its not installed
[19:04] <fta> i installed it, but it still didn't work for other reasons
[19:04] <asac> yeah. ppp not installed is a bug
[19:04] <asac> i guess i should depend on it from NM to prevent that
[19:05] <fta> 12090 firefox-3.1                     1762   303   770   674    15 (Unknown)
[19:05] <fta> 23441 firefox-3.2                      296    25    89   174     8 (Unknown)
[19:05] <fta> 41405 firefox-3.5                       22     1     0    21     0 (Unknown)
[19:05] <fta> 46228 firefox-3.6                       12     0     0    12     0 (Unknown)
[19:05] <fta> 1062  firefox-3.0                    517706 81481 361515 74672    38 (Alexander Sack)
[19:05] <fta> 552   firefox                        914720 10037 439043  1990 463650 (Alexander Sack)
[19:05] <fta> 52128 firefox2                           6     0     6     0     0 (Unknown)
[19:06] <asac> ok so 3.2 is obviously mostly daily
[19:07] <fta> nope, i think most are from my PPA
[19:07] <asac> you should remove ffox 3.2 from there
[19:07] <asac> because there are no milestones for
[19:07] <asac> it
[19:08] <fta> i just wait a bit to see how it stabilizes
[19:08] <fta> 1 week should be enough
[19:09] <asac> i am not sure if numbers ever get removed
[19:09] <fta> ?
[19:09] <fta> 4354  prism                          18888  1562 16240  1079     7 (Ubuntu Mozilla Team)
[19:09] <fta> not that bad
[19:10] <fta> 15726 chromium-browser                 955    36     0   919     0 (Unknown)
[19:10] <fta> \o/
[19:10] <BUGabundo> what numbers are those?
[19:10] <fta> catching up on
[19:10] <fta> 9629  cxchromium                      3065   338  2503   164    60 (Unknown)
[19:10] <fta> popcon
[19:11] <fta> 16283 gwibber                          884   122   300   462     0 (Unknown)
[19:11] <fta> yeah, chromium-browser beats gwibber, even without beeing in universe :)
[19:12] <asac> i dont think there are any new installs from gwibber
[19:12] <asac> all that wanted it had it before
[19:13] <asac> ok watching TV now ... enough font mess for today
[19:13] <fta> 884 is the number of installs, not new installs
[19:14] <asac> what i ment was that universe doesnt help any app that isnt used ;)
[19:14] <asac> especially if its in universe of developmeent release ;)
[19:15] <asac> universe gives more tracition than PPA ... but that is only true for stuff in stable releases with good description and so on ;)
[19:18] <asac> fta: this is all good. but debian ITP is now taking ... which will make it bad for future
[19:19] <asac> i asked them if we can take over the ITP for you now
[19:19] <BUGabundo> [OT] Ubuntu gurus: please review and help me improve it for my next FLOSS class: http://hellotxt.com/l/gtEN
[19:20] <asac> but it was a huge mistake not take the ITP i am sure. it means wasted energy in the long run
[19:21] <fta> if someone does it better, i have no problem with that
[19:22] <asac> fta: the package could have been maintained in debian and would automatically come back to ubuntu
[19:22] <asac> this way its a time bomb
[19:22] <asac> you dont know what debian folks are up to
[19:23] <fta> someone told me last week he wanted to do the itp for me, using my code, i agreed
[19:23] <fta> no news since
[19:23] <asac> fta: well. someone took the ITP
[19:24] <asac> maybe thats him
[19:24] <asac> but what he will do is fork your stuff
[19:24] <asac> most likely
[19:24] <asac> if not in the beginning, in the end
[19:24] <asac> fta: give him access to the chromium bzr repo at least
[19:24] <asac> so he maintains the debian changes directly there
[19:24] <asac> at least i would try that way
[19:25] <asac> debian bug 520324
[19:26] <fta> same guy
[19:26] <gnomefreak> !codecs
[19:30] <BUGabundo> or go direcly to medibuntu
[19:30] <asac> ok i think i will wait two more weeks and then just take over those ITPs
[19:30] <fta> which ones?
[19:31] <asac> all chromium related
[19:31] <asac> i just cannot see this blowing up ;)
[19:31] <fta> i never understood why you never asked me to join, i would be pleased to see you contribute
[19:32] <asac> fta: i have no time. but given the current risk i would just push your stuff to debian
[19:32] <asac> i guess when i start doing that i will automatically contribute ;)
[19:32] <fta> i don't think it's acceptable for them, too many in source deps
[19:32] <asac> its ok
[19:33] <fta> they would need an updated ia32-libs too
[19:33] <asac> worst thing that would happen is that it doesnt migrate to testing
[19:33] <asac> sure
[19:33] <asac> doest debian have that at all?
[19:34] <fta> ?
[19:35] <asac> wasnt sure if they stopped maintaining that package
[19:35] <asac> ok now TV ... bbl
[19:36] <gnomefreak> 139 bugs including the songbird bug
[19:36] <gnomefreak> im so done
[19:37] <gnomefreak> i will try to get to SM2 this week sometime. I know i have to work a few days this week. i'm sure i wont mind if i take a few days off and let the 2 guys run the shop :)
[19:40] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: don't forget to update flashplugin-nonfree thankyou! :)
[19:40] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:42]  * c0p3rn1c ducks behind BUGabundo for cover :-p
[19:42] <BUGabundo> I are big.... but not that big!
[19:42] <c0p3rn1c> hehe
[19:42] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak kicks both our asses
[19:44] <c0p3rn1c> hmmz I thing where lucky today because gnomefreak seems to have passed out from exhaustion :-)
[19:44] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: flash?
[19:44] <c0p3rn1c> think*
[19:44] <gnomefreak> you mean 64?
[19:44] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: yup :-)
[19:45] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: it will be a while. i cant find upstream source or md5sum and i have to figure out how to install and configure qmenu since i dont have 64 arch
[19:46]  * gnomefreak too tired to lift my foot that high BUGabundo :)
[19:46] <BUGabundo> so c0p3rn1c you need to bug upstream foruns to have them publish a MD5
[19:46] <c0p3rn1c> aiaiai
[19:46] <gnomefreak> publish the source would be best
[19:46] <gnomefreak> i can get md5 from source
[19:46] <BUGabundo> heeheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheheheehehe
[19:46] <c0p3rn1c> :-D
[19:46] <BUGabundo> yeah right! (adobe) source
[19:46] <fta> good, chromium ppa is green now: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=any&field.series_filter=jaunty
[19:46] <c0p3rn1c> you mean when hell freezes over ? :0P
[19:47] <gnomefreak> and you wonder why im not in a hurry :)
[19:47] <BUGabundo> want some US dolar money making slots with that too?
[19:47] <c0p3rn1c> :-)
[19:48] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: ehm I dunno how flashplugin-nonfree is packaged but isn't it just a job of replacing that library ?
[19:49] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: its a job to replace the md5sum for most part than hope it builds ok we just use scripts to grab upstream source
[19:50] <c0p3rn1c> I just copied libflashplayer.so to a directory and tada, it works
[19:50] <gnomefreak> fta: its broke i think
[19:50] <fta> gnomefreak, what is broken?
[19:50] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: our scripts do that for us, for 32bit and uses nspluginwrapper to grab 32bit for 64bit arch
[19:51] <c0p3rn1c> I don't have nspluginwrapper installed
[19:51] <fta> d'oh! https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:52] <gnomefreak> fta: nevermind i see that the version went from 170 to 171 and thats why the versions looked wrong
[19:52] <gnomefreak> good so its not just me that cant get shit to build
[19:52] <gnomefreak> i see 9 on that page at this time
[19:54] <gnomefreak> im gonna run dpkg-buildpackage but i dont htink it will help but maybe it will give me upstream dir so i can fix it way too much damn hoping
[19:56] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: I'm no linux guru and I don't know how to create packages yet but, the package installer just has to sudo mv libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox-3.xxx/plugins/, after that flash works you don't need anything else as far as I know
[19:57] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: we are unable to support 64 at this time so for 64archs nspluginwrapper (as i recall is needed) now grabbing from upstream you wouldnt need nsplugin... for 64 bit
[19:58] <gnomefreak> thats odd. xulrunner updated but ff 3.5 didnt and they both still have lpia building im on 386
[19:58] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak:  I don't know what nspluginwrapper is and I dunno what you mean with upstream
[19:59] <c0p3rn1c> but thats ok I guess, maybe I'll figure it out later, I just think it's a pitty for the other ubuntu 64 bit users out there
[19:59] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: you grabbed the package for 64bit from adobe. since we dont have it yet nspluginwrapper is needed to run 32bit on a 64bit arch
[20:00] <gnomefreak> dont worry when i get the info i need (if before KK starts) than it will hit PPA's depending on if someone grabs it bbefore i do
[20:01] <c0p3rn1c>  since we dont have it yet, "it"?
[20:01] <gnomefreak> flash64
[20:02] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: it's over here http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[20:02] <gnomefreak> this is gonna go horribly wrong :( i dont want to fuck with patches today
[20:02] <gnomefreak> ahi only saw *.tip.tar.gz a few days ago
[20:03] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: hehe, ok , relax take it easy, I don't want it to go horribly wrong ether =)
[20:03] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: not flash that should be fairly simple. SM is going to go wrong (just a feeling
[20:03] <gnomefreak> )
[20:04] <c0p3rn1c> ah, anyways, do you want me to remind you later or would you find that annoying , since you're swamped with work?
[20:05] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: remind me say thursday im hoping to be finished with everything else by than
[20:05] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: ok great, but I will take all the credit though ok ? :p
[20:05] <c0p3rn1c> j/k
[20:05] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: after beta ?
[20:06] <BUGabundo> isn't that a bad date?
[20:06] <BUGabundo> lots of new jaunty users == more bugs
[20:07] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: not too bad eveything for jaunty adn intrepid and hardy are done just waiting for asac to push im assuming that will happen after beta freeze
[20:07] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:07] <BUGabundo> at least now we have testers
[20:07] <gnomefreak> ok got tarball lets see how SM goes
[20:07] <BUGabundo> on Hardy everyone waited for RC or release
[20:07] <BUGabundo> then everyone complained about bugs...
[20:07] <gnomefreak> this fucking patch needs to go to hell so badly
[20:08] <BUGabundo> ppl expect stuff to be fixed automagicly
[20:08]  * c0p3rn1c looks forward to brag to his friends about that he fixed flash64 on ubuntu =)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[20:08] <gnomefreak> why the hell wont it keep the upstream dir when it fails on a patch
[20:08] <BUGabundo> I just have the upstream .so
[20:08] <BUGabundo> unfortunatly I have to track updates manually
[20:09] <gnomefreak> easy enough :) 492d98d25886afcaf18252334d4ac4e2
[20:11] <BUGabundo> ah?
[20:11] <gnomefreak> thats not gonna work i dont want a /so tarball
[20:12] <gnomefreak> yep thats all it contains is the .so
[20:13] <c0p3rn1c> your talking about flash right?
[20:13] <gnomefreak> example should be named flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz with only the 64part not the .so
[20:13] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: yep
[20:14] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: I just read that it  doesn't play nicely with pulseaudio
[20:14] <gnomefreak> i have to make sure but i dont think the 10 tarball only holds .so file
[20:14] <c0p3rn1c> gnomefreak: maybe we should do some more testing before releasing it to the big public
[20:15] <gnomefreak> thats for someone else to screw with :) im sure it has something to do with being pre release since 10 didnt play will with PA before release
[20:15] <gnomefreak> c0p3rn1c: i wont relelase it until its done on our end it will end up in PPA and people should use at own risk :)
[20:16] <BUGabundo> c0p3rn1c: audio works here with flash64 bit
[20:16] <BUGabundo> let me jump to you tube or something
[20:16] <c0p3rn1c> BUGabundo: ah great, ok we should be safe then :)
[20:17] <gnomefreak> more than likely its only libasound2-plugins that causes the issue however as i recall that is the main package for PA
[20:17] <c0p3rn1c> but ehm atm other apps like vume don't detect that I have flash installed, can that be fixed ?
[20:17] <gnomefreak> theres alot of shit in the control :(
[20:18] <c0p3rn1c> it's because I executed the following : "sudo apt-get remove nspluginwrapper flashplugin-nonfree"
[20:18] <c0p3rn1c> after that I installed it
[20:18] <c0p3rn1c> as described on this forum : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=772490&page=64
[20:19] <gnomefreak> its gonna be a little bit more work than i thought but its all good
[20:20] <c0p3rn1c> great well I'm going to study a littlebit more for my English exam tomorrow, got distracted again like you guys can see :)
[20:20] <BUGabundo> bbl, dinner
[20:20] <c0p3rn1c> good luck and cu later
[20:22] <gnomefreak> why do they give you an option to run -f when  it doesnt take that option :(
[20:22] <gnomefreak> i give up for today
[20:29] <fta> wtf is http://www.blogsdna.com/fr/2723/download-google-chrome-for-ubuntu-linux-pre-alpha-chromium-build.htm/
[20:29] <fta> it's not even french, none of the sentences make sense
[20:29] <fta> and the content is wrong too
[20:29] <fta> including the commands
[20:30] <c0p3rn1c> nooo, play rickroll in the background, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0, it pulled me trough all of the tough linux shit :p
[20:30] <fta> "Sudo apt-installer chrome navigateur" ??? lol
[20:56] <fta> lol
[20:57] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=9007&q=linux&sort=-id%20-stars&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner
[20:57] <fta> some people are filing bugs upstream based on the daily ppa