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[02:52] <wajimba> hey all
[02:52] <wajimba> I'm having issues actually watching TV on my mythbuntu box
[02:53] <calmor15014> What kind of issues?
[02:53] <wajimba> when I go to "watch TV" it just gives me a black screen
[02:53] <calmor15014> That would be an issue.  Is this a new installation, what have you tried, etc?
[02:53] <wajimba> I scanned for channels, and it found them
[02:54] <wajimba> this is a new install- and I'm a myth newb
[02:54] <calmor15014> What tuner hardware are you running?
[02:54] <wajimba> I think I have my TV tuner card set up ok
[02:54] <wajimba> Pinnacle...
[02:54] <calmor15014> I must say I'm somewhat of a myth troubleshooting newb myself but I'll see if I can help.
[02:55] <wajimba> ok
[02:55] <wajimba> do you want a model # of the card?
[02:55] <calmor15014> *thinking*
[02:58] <calmor15014> So your channel scan came up ok... have you tried any of the methods of capturing video from the card at the command line, just to make sure it's recording correctly?
[02:58] <calmor15014> (trying to find the walkthroughs)
[02:59] <calmor15014> And yes, the card model might be helpful also.
[02:59] <wajimba> k
[03:02] <calmor15014> Have you tried xawtv just to see if it will let you tune correctly?
[03:04] <calmor15014> also, the output of /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log might provide some help in determining what's going on
[03:05] <wajimba> downloading xawtv now
[03:06] <wajimba> should I just dump the log in here?
[03:06] <calmor15014> Post it at pastebin (pastebin.ubuntu.com)
[03:06] <calmor15014> Then send a link to the resulting page here
[03:08] <wajimba> hmm, it looks like xawtv is giving a black screen too
[03:08] <wajimba> is the card not set up correctly?
[03:09] <calmor15014> If xawtv isn't showing anything, it's quite likely that it's not set up correctly.  in the options, is your tuner detected in the "Video Source"?
[03:10] <calmor15014> (Right-click the xawtv screen)
[03:11] <wajimba> hey!
[03:12] <wajimba> in video source, it was reading as "television"- I clicked on it, and selected television again, and now it's displaying a channel
[03:12] <calmor15014> Hmm... ok, so if xawtv works, the tuner is recognized and working correctly.
[03:12] <wajimba> ok
[03:12] <calmor15014> Can you post the mythfrontend.log file to pastebin and let me take a look at it?
[03:12] <wajimba> ok
[03:14] <wajimba> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/135176/
[03:16] <wajimba> btw, the mythtv setup program pulled this info from the card: "BT878 video (Pinnacle PCTV Studio..."
[03:16] <wajimba> then it ran off the screen
[03:17] <calmor15014> Yeah, I think the card itself is ok... looking through the logs of the frontend now.  What are your system specs?
[03:18] <wajimba> P4, 1.6 Ghz- 2 GB RAM
[03:18] <wajimba> geforce 6600
[03:19] <calmor15014> Hmm... that should be plenty for watching standard def at the very least.  The Pinnacle is a SD tuner or a HD tuner?
[03:20] <wajimba> sd
[03:21] <calmor15014> And you're choosing "watch TV" from the menu?
[03:21] <wajimba> yes
[03:22] <calmor15014> The only entries I see in the log regarding TV are going from "None" to "WatchingPreRecorded"
[03:22] <wajimba> but I haven't recorded anything
[03:23] <calmor15014> When you set up the channels, how did you do it?
[03:24] <calmor15014> And do you have a guide service?  (I don't think it's absolutely necessary to have it)
[03:24] <wajimba> I used the mythtv setup program-
[03:24] <wajimba> the guide I'm using is just EIT
[03:24] <wajimba> over the channel
[03:25] <wajimba> I told the program to scan for the channels it could see- and it looked like it picked up what it shuould have
[03:26] <calmor15014> So you have your capture card set up, your "video source" was the EIT scan you did...
[03:26] <calmor15014> And then you have the two linked in the "input connections" part?
[03:27] <wajimba> when you go from the main menu, out to mythbuntu, and run the setup, does it restart the frontend program? Would I need to do that manually to get it to see the new settings?
[03:27] <wajimba> I believe the two are linked- let me look
[03:30] <wajimba> Yeah, they are linked, source to input
[03:30] <wajimba> (and card)
[03:32] <calmor15014> ok.
[03:33] <calmor15014> I'm confused as to why it's sending it into watching recordings, especially if you've never recorded anything.
[03:34] <wajimba> hmm- I called the default save directory "mythtvrecordings" that might be what you're seeing
[03:35] <calmor15014> Oddly, I see this:
[03:35] <calmor15014> 2009-03-18 21:29:53.657 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingPreRecorded libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
[03:35] <wajimba> do I need to create a "LiveTV" storage direcory?
[03:36] <calmor15014> To be honest we're now beyond where I can really help with...
[03:36] <wajimba> hmm
[03:36] <wajimba> well, I'll try this LiveTV storage directory thing
[03:38] <calmor15014> This log doesn't show anywhere that it's trying to watch Live  TV, oddly enough.
[03:41] <calmor15014> Whenever you get a moment, after you test the LiveTV storage directory, can you re-post the mythfrontend.log file?
[03:41] <wajimba> ok
[03:44] <wajimba> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/135182/
[03:50] <calmor15014> It still never says that you're trying to watch live TV...
[03:50] <wajimba> weird
[03:51] <wajimba> what could be causing that??
[03:53] <calmor15014> Can you watch other videos or DVDs?
[03:53] <calmor15014> It appeared you were trying to watch a DVD at one point - was that successful?
[03:53] <wajimba> yeah- I can watch a video on the hard drive
[03:53] <wajimba> I watched the previews at the beginning
[03:58] <calmor15014> There are two parts of the log that seem to be replacing where you tell it to watch TV
[03:59] <wajimba> seem to be replacing? oh- that are actually doing something
[04:00] <calmor15014> 1140 starts the last restart of the frontend (latest pastebin)
[04:01] <calmor15014> It seems like when you try to play TV it tries to connect to the backend server and keeps erroring out.  Thos errors seemed to be timezone errors though when I googled them.
[04:01] <calmor15014> And it can't get the program list, so it errors out.
[04:02] <calmor15014> That would be my best guess.
[04:02] <wajimba> hm
[04:03] <wajimba> yeah, when I looked at the "system status" it gave me uptime and all that stuff for this machine, but it said unknown for the backend
[04:04] <calmor15014> Is it saying something about not being able to connect to the backend server when you try to play TV?
[04:05] <wajimba> no, it just gives me the black screen, then it must timeout, because it kicks me back to the main menu
[04:06] <wajimba> sits on black for about 10 seconds
[04:07] <calmor15014> ok gimme one second...
[04:08] <calmor15014> I just want to see what my backend says and what the settings are... it seems like you connect to the backend, it's just giving you issues.
[04:13] <calmor15014> I'm running 8.10 and don't have a "backend status" section....
[04:14] <calmor15014> My apologies, I'm a newb at this...
[04:14] <wajimba> no worries
[04:14] <calmor15014> In your frontend settings, what is the backend/database connection setting?
[04:15] <calmor15014> (Utilities/Setup ->  Setup -> General on my machine)
[04:15] <wajimba> lemme see
[04:15] <calmor15014> I had some issues trying to use 127.0.0.1 as the hostname, I had to switch to localhost
[04:17] <wajimba> I'm looking at Information Center -> System Status
[04:18] <wajimba> -> Machine
[04:18] <wajimba> sorry, it's not backend server, it's "MythTV server"
[04:21] <wajimba> what does mythfilldatabase do BTW?
[04:22] <calmor15014> Mythfilldatabase populates the database with the show data
[04:22] <wajimba> as in the name of the show on the channel?
[04:22] <calmor15014> Right, shows, times, etc.
[04:23] <mycosys> hi there guys :) trying to figure which GPU to put in a system :) got Radeon 7000 agp, GeForce2 MX 400 PCI, TNT2pro agp, VirgeDX PCI to choose from. hopefully will upgrade later to QuadroNVS100 AGP. any thoughts on which is best? leaning to the Geforce2 MX400 pci or radeon 7000 agp?
[04:23] <calmor15014> Have you allowed that to run?
[04:24] <wajimba> yes
[04:25] <calmor15014> mycosys: Personally, I've had some issues with ATI cards in Myth, whereas my GEforce 8400GS  will run hi-def.
[04:26] <mycosys> 8400GS is a LONG way from geforce2 tho lol
[04:26] <calmor15014> All of those cards are a little older (IIRC) but should be ok for SD...
[04:26] <calmor15014> Yeah... nVidia has better support right now, but you could always swap them out if they don't work and try something else.
[04:26] <mycosys> which would you advise? the PCI Geforce?
[04:26] <mycosys> if it was an agp i wouldnt even ask lol
[04:27] <calmor15014> I'd start there and go from there.  I don't have any experience with the others.
[04:27] <mycosys> i know none of them support XvMC :(
[04:27] <calmor15014> To be honest, I have a VIA mini-itx board (M1000) with onboard VGA and it will do SD.
[04:27] <calmor15014> So I'd say if ubuntu recognizes them, it'll be good, you might just have to turn off the alpha/transparency in the guides and such.
[04:28] <wajimba> although, it says the last time it ran it failed, xmltv returned erro.., then below it says there's no guide data available. However, I don't think this issue precludes the black screen
[04:28] <calmor15014> wajimba: Unfortunately I'm at a loss thus far.....
[04:28] <mycosys> meh - runs SD with the radeon - spose i will stick with it - just about to transplant the lot so thought i would check :)
[04:29] <mycosys> thanks calmor
[04:29] <wajimba> so, I'm relatively new to linux, but could restarting my whole computer help? (Good ol windows boy here)
[04:31] <wajimba> I think I'll try it
[04:31] <calmor15014> It's worth a shot!
[04:31] <wajimba> alright- I'll be back
[04:32] <calmor15014> ok
[04:32] <wajimba> thanks for your help thus far
[04:33] <calmor15014> mycosys - if you're already running the radeon I'd say stick with it... I don't know that any of those cards will give you much better than what ya have now so I'd stay with the known.
[04:34] <mycosys> yeah - all in my junk box anyway lol
[04:35] <calmor15014> One of the best uses of an old PC IMO, other than turning it into some sort of server...
[04:36] <calmor15014> Mine's a newer box but is the frontend, backend, print server, web server, and also runs a virtual Windows Server 2003...
[04:36] <wajimba> no koy
[04:36] <wajimba> here's my latest log though: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fef3ef8c
[04:38] <wajimba> that's a few more logs than before
[04:40] <mycosys> this one is actually an upgrade toi the one that came before it - my ol p3 866 RIP :( was sff and ultra quiet, but not perfect lol. this is XP 1600+ - now to shut it up lol
[04:42] <wajimba> well. it's getting late- might try again later- thanks for the help
[04:42] <wajimba> what was that program we used to test the tuner?
[04:43] <wajimba> xawtv
[04:43] <calmor15014> Yeah, xawtv
[04:44] <calmor15014> The backend isn't connecting to the database according to these logs....
[04:44] <wajimba> mmm
[04:45] <calmor15014> You might want to try to ask in the ubuntuforums mythbuntu section.
[04:46] <wajimba> ok
[04:46] <calmor15014> It did finally open the database but this is interesting:
[04:46] <calmor15014> 2009-03-21 23:33:43.743 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[04:46] <calmor15014>  is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.
[04:46] <calmor15014> (should be all one line)
[04:47] <wajimba> ah
[04:48] <wajimba> should I look at the mythtv setup program again? change 127.0.0.1 to localhost?
[04:48] <calmor15014> If when you exit mythfrontend it doesn't tell you it can't connect to the backend, then I'd say you could probably leave it alone.
[04:49] <wajimba> yeah, it doesn't say that
[04:50] <calmor15014> ok, then I'd say don't mess with it.
[04:52] <wajimba> ok. Ubuntuforums mythbuntu section. Later though
[04:52] <wajimba> Thanks again! I did find out my card is ok
[04:53] <calmor15014> Thank you - helping you troubleshoot is a learning experience as well.
[04:54] <calmor15014> Good luck... hoping you get it figured out.
[04:54] <wajimba> yeah I suppose so. Thanks
[04:54] <calmor15014> Oh, btw, did Mythbuntu let you pastebin that or did you find the other (mythbuntu) pastebin?
[04:54] <calmor15014> I'd forgotten about it... I was in #ubuntu earlier..
[04:55] <wajimba> I used the mythtv frontend to post those logs
[04:55] <calmor15014> Awesome - thanks!
[04:55] <wajimba> yep cya
[04:55] <calmor15014> later
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[12:11] <apastinen> hi, i have spend 5-6 hours with installing mythtv to ubuntu 8.10, is is working at all? i have had problem where channel frequency seems to be 0, and google told me that other have had same problems, but i havent found any fixes.
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[12:35] <coder2> Please help me to get sound from SAA7134-based TV-tuner
[14:57] <CRXLPY> is there a guide on the buntu way to compile .22? since I am stuck with the punk..er..trunk tree and they are posting broken bins of the plugins on it, I need to compile mytharchive. I am not new to compiling or Linux (my main computer runs Gentoo) but I am unfamiliar with compiling in buntu and after many distros and 11yrs of Linux I know better than to apply one distros method to another distro, especially when that distro is not
[14:59] <CRXLPY> and I guess I will need to grab the svn straight from mythtv for the compile since I cant find a source repo for the trunkerz
[15:56] <CRXLPY> since mytharchive is tottally borked and there is no path to exit from the punk repo, and there is no source repo so I can try fixing it myself (heaven forbid I should what to add the cardinal sin of compiling to any *buntu), I cant even consider taking the dvr offline and moving my recordings off the harddrive so I can wipe the drive and install a real distro
[16:00] <CRXLPY> please take the trunk section off the main site, there is absolutely no mention of the lack of functional plugins on the weekly builds page. if I had known that I would lose the use of all the plugins because the trunk repo has a mix of incompatible versions that apt is too stupid to recognize, I would NEVER have tried trunk
[16:00] <CRXLPY> that page says nothing of the ppa's either
[16:01] <CRXLPY> of course after getting suckered into using trunk I cant use the ppa's anyway.
[16:04] <CRXLPY> I used to have ubuntu low on the list of distros I would choose. Mythbuntu made me reevaluate it much higher on the list. well....the trunk fiasco has made me regret that
[16:04] <CRXLPY> trunk is punk
[16:21] <CRXLPY> just 3 words added to the trunk section on the weekly builds page (http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds) would have avoided this .....  "plugins dont work"
[16:22] <CRXLPY> now my frontend is loosing conntection to the backend and my system is bogged to the point of freezing
[16:23] <CRXLPY> is trunk a synonym for rootkit??????\
[16:41] <CRXLPY> well now the dvr is hard locked with a solid unchanging hdd light
[16:42] <CRXLPY> if only those 3 simple words were put on the trunk page
[16:42] <CRXLPY> plugins dont work
[16:42] <CRXLPY> plugins dont work
[16:44] <CRXLPY> It takes alot of skill to make Linux act like windows, those guys are true gurus
[17:06] <CRXLPY> well surprise, I have a full drive, that is hanging stuff. I cant make space cuz those 3 little words werent on the trunk page. I would love to archive my recordings to dvds but alas, those 3 words were too much trouble to type
[17:11] <CRXLPY> well I deleted a ton of recordings, now mythweb gives a huge error page in the browser
[17:12] <CRXLPY> trunk is junk
[17:15] <CRXLPY> wow what trash
[17:32] <trunkisjunk> mythweb says Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'dvr'  ......  it worked before I tried ppa as suggested here by tgm4883, but now after moving back to the trunk so I could have partial function again, I have lost mythweb. myth-status page still works
[17:34] <trunkisjunk> http://rafb.net/p/gTXMHL83.html
[17:35] <asphere> in 8.10, when the computer boots up, the backend doesn't find
[17:35] <asphere> my HDHR on the network. From the backend log: Network is unreachable
[17:36] <asphere> if I restart mythbabackend, it finds them fine. So I
[17:36] <trunkisjunk> ok now the system ia hung completely AGAIN. all because someone couldnt type 3 words on the trunk section of the weekly auto-builds page
[17:36] <asphere> put a sleep 45 command at the top of mythbackend and that
[17:36] <asphere> give it enough time to find the network and get the HDHR OK.
[17:36] <asphere> would like to find a more clean solution...
[17:37] <trunkisjunk> use static ips maybe?
[17:38] <trunkisjunk> what ever you do asphere dont use trunk, it is a private joke the devs have played on unsuspecting users
[17:38] <asphere> Possibly. My IP's are doled out from the WRT via Mac add'y which is nice to not have to configure static IP's per box.
[17:39] <asphere> OK doke. :)
[17:40] <asphere> Right now I'm looking for some nifty shell script commands that will
[17:40] <asphere> just make the mythbackend script "wait until the network is up" before proceeding
[17:41] <trunkisjunk> irrc you can set deps in the init scripts that state requires like that.  such as for nfs (which of course needs net first)
[17:42] <trunkisjunk> or try updateing the firmware on the wrt, maybe the dhcpd is more streamlined
[17:43] <trunkisjunk> just a guess
[17:43]  * asphere checks nfs init scripts for inspiration
[17:43] <asphere> good idea on the wrt firmware. I am running an old rev.
[17:44] <asphere> I've been wimping on on upgrading it though
[17:44] <trunkisjunk> I have never had to set the requires in the init.d's but I have read those scripts and seen them listing the requires
[17:45] <trunkisjunk> asphere dd-wrt is very nice if you have a wrt that supports that alt firmware
[17:45] <asphere> running dd-wrt v.23. Almost pulled the trigger to upgrade to v.24 last night to get cron functionality for wake-on-lan
[17:46] <trunkisjunk> ahh, sweet
[17:46] <asphere> but I woulda had to screenshot every menu tab, and I don't have a backup solution if the flash went south
[17:49] <asphere> ...so instead of doing a cron wake-on-lan I started looking into the ACPI stuff.
[17:49] <asphere> And that would be great... if only the backend came up and saw the HDHRs when the system rebooted
[17:50] <trunkisjunk> well I am dealing with a totally borked myth, I used trunk for a couple months waiting on the plugins to get fixed, so my last non trunk back up is so out of date that it is useless. now I have half a TB of recordings I will need to write off if I want to have anything other than a powersink under my tv
[17:50] <asphere> The sleep command actually does the trick. But it means andy call to
[17:50] <asphere> restart mythbackend will take an extra 45 seconds
[17:50] <trunkisjunk> I wish all I had to do was worry about my wrt settings
[17:51] <asphere> I hopped on after you described your problem.. what's goin on?
[17:53] <trunkisjunk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1101469
[17:53] <trunkisjunk> to put it in a nutshell
[17:54] <trunkisjunk> there is no notice of all plugins being broke in the trunk repo, and now that my db is schema 0.22 I am stuck with a useless system
[17:55] <asphere> that page is loading slow. Database stuff is scary. Can you rebuild a skeleton and just import the stuff back that you need?
[17:56] <trunkisjunk> I found one mention of plugin issues with trunk, but that was in relation to the new ppa. and the trunk section on mythbuntu.org(not ppa) says nothing about it being a backwards step
[17:56] <trunkisjunk> no
[17:56] <trunkisjunk> different db schema
[17:56] <trunkisjunk> cannot downgrade
[17:58] <asphere> ugh. just read the post. over my head
[17:58] <trunkisjunk> I appreciate your interest
[18:00] <asphere> never know when I'll do the same thing :) Except I'll probably stick to the iso's
[18:00] <trunkisjunk> I have months of shows I want to archive, but I cant. and since I cant, I have a boat anchor
[18:01] <asphere> Have you tried just running ffmpeg to transcode the shows manually? Should be possible?
[18:03] <trunkisjunk> and then I would have alot of 1062_2009567292727****.mpg instead of 1062_2009567292727****.nuv  that is not really a step forward
[18:04] <trunkisjunk> 500GB of nameless recordings
[18:04] <trunkisjunk> I tried nuvexport but the db mess ends up freezing the system
[18:05] <asphere> mythrename.pl also probably not happy with the db?
[18:06] <trunkisjunk> I almost wish I knew a script-kiddie I could pay to hack the site and erase all mention of trunk so I could save others the pain
[18:07] <trunkisjunk> never used mythrename asphere
[18:08] <trunkisjunk> never had to, always had mytharchive
[18:08] <asphere> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/mythrename.pl It reads the name from the database and renames the *.mpg files to something more human readable
[18:09] <asphere> I often use it when switching mythbackends because I'm too lazy to figure out how to do a real database migration
[18:09] <trunkisjunk> I have nuv files, only a few mpg
[18:09] <asphere> ...works on nuv's as well I think
[18:12] <trunkisjunk> yes it does :)
[18:14] <trunkisjunk> do I just copy these into the recordins directory of the new install, or into the videos dir?  and can I still do commercial detect on them after?
[18:15] <trunkisjunk> after a new install that is
[18:15] <trunkisjunk> 'they are almost all renamed, thanks alot asphere
[18:16] <asphere> ..what I usually do is just copy them into the videos dir of the new install. Then you can play them. Forget about comm' flagging. Also, for me, if I hit any of the FF/REW/SKIP buttons once the recording starts, the video starts over
[18:16] <trunkisjunk> what do you do with your recordings after renaming them, do you have to move them to the video dir since they wont be recordings made be the new backend?
[18:16] <trunkisjunk> hmmm
[18:17] <asphere> can be a pain.. but good enough for me
[18:17] <asphere> and once you have them renamed. transcoding manually is a less daunting prospect
[18:19] <trunkisjunk> ok, it is a workable solution, and I should be able to fix it.  I wont attempt any transcoding till I do a new full install. this one has been screwed too deeply to trust
[18:20] <trunkisjunk> I just have to consolidate my recording directories onto one drive so I can wipe the os drive clean and be sure I have no bad bins hiding
[18:20] <asphere> Be careful! Other scripts in that contrib directory that might be useful (and might ruin everything) is mythencode.pl and myth.rebuilddatabse.pl
[18:21] <trunkisjunk> yeah, I am doing nothing but moving files around now that they are named. then I am gonna reinstall
[18:22] <asphere> One day, I would like to figure out where the 'seektable' is in the databse for the recordings. I think not having the seektable on the raw files is why you can't do commercial flagging or fast-forwarding
[18:22] <trunkisjunk> I am probly gonna go 64bit this time since I wont be mixing the orig 32bit install, but wiping it and installing new
[18:23] <trunkisjunk> myphpadmin asphere
[18:23] <asphere> sure.. but if I find the seektable, what do I do with it?
[18:23] <trunkisjunk> ahhh now that is the rub
[18:24] <trunkisjunk> did the nfs init stuff hold any hints for you asphere
[18:24] <asphere> Do make sure those video files are usable to you before wiping!!
[18:24] <trunkisjunk> yes thanks for mentioning
[18:25]  * trunkisjunk opens vlc and starts clicking
[18:25] <asphere> theres a variable called NEED_STATD which looks promising.. but I can't find any docs
[18:26] <trunkisjunk> just wild guessing but maybe docs for init cover this
[18:26] <asphere> ubuntu community docs not being helpful. hmm.. man pages? novel idea
[18:26] <trunkisjunk> since it would be a function of init to honor the requires of each script
[18:30] <trunkisjunk> hmm I forget is there a non-myth player that understands nuvs? vlc plays the file as an audio track
[18:30] <trunkisjunk> asphere
[18:31] <asphere> xine perhaps? I usually keep xine, gxine, vlc, mplayer around and usually one of them works
[18:34] <trunkisjunk> mplayer seems to do it, but as you say, if I try to seek it resets the playback
[18:35] <trunkisjunk> takes awhile for it to start playing too
[18:35] <asphere> would be nice to figure out how to fix that. Probably needs a full transcoding
[18:36] <asphere> bbl.. g/l
[18:36] <trunkisjunk> u2 thanks
[18:36] <trunkisjunk> alot
[18:36] <asphere> n/p
[19:27] <DogmaN> I need some help on which card to choose in the backend...
[19:27] <DogmaN> what is a V4L card?
[19:29] <trunkisjunk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV#Supported_tuner_cards
[19:29] <DogmaN> http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Analog_Digital+PVR/PCTV+Hybrid+Pro+Stick+(320e).htm
[19:29] <DogmaN> thats what i have
[19:30] <trunkisjunk> is it listed in the compatible hardware?
[19:30] <DogmaN> where can i find that list?
[19:30] <trunkisjunk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV#Supported_tuner_cards
[19:30] <trunkisjunk> google
[19:30] <DogmaN> PCI and similar tuner cards incorporating iTVC15/16 hardware MPEG-2 compression processors
[19:31] <DogmaN> I don't have a clue what that is
[19:31] <trunkisjunk> I searched "mythtv compatible" and it was the top link
[19:31] <trunkisjunk> click on the links on the page
[19:32] <trunkisjunk> dont scan one sentence
[19:33] <trunkisjunk> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tuner_Card#USB_Capture_Cards
[19:33] <DogmaN> its not listed there :/
[19:33] <DogmaN> So guess its not working
[19:35] <DogmaN> but trunkisjunk the card is found in the backend.. one sec and i tell u what it says
[19:36] <DogmaN> When i select Analog V4L capture Card i get Probed info: Pinnacle Hybrid Pro (2) (em28xx)
[19:36] <trunkisjunk> there are 3 usb pinnacle devs listed in the ones that work.
[19:36] <trunkisjunk> dont know if one is your model
[19:37] <DogmaN> trunkisjunk its not listed, although it says that the list might be outdated etc
[19:37] <trunkisjunk> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Pro_USB_Stick
[19:37] <DogmaN> although someone says it works
[19:37] <DogmaN> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=764059
[19:38] <DogmaN> thats the HD one, i got PRO only
[19:38] <trunkisjunk> then what is hybrid about it?
[19:39] <DogmaN> analog + dvb
[19:41] <DogmaN> Either im retarded or my card is.. been trying to set it up for 2 days now lol :/ so many freaking options
[19:42] <DogmaN> when i do the xml listing thing for channels it just hangs up on 50 %
[19:42] <trunkisjunk> if you cant get your card to work then the listings error is moot
[19:43] <trunkisjunk> concentrate on getting the tuner going. then you can worry about what you are watching
[19:44] <trunkisjunk> pastebin your backend log then post the link here please
[19:46] <DogmaN> Guess you gonna hate me now but how do i do that? (first time i try linux)
[19:46] <trunkisjunk> no problem
[19:46] <trunkisjunk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587474
[19:47] <trunkisjunk> did you look at that?
[19:47] <trunkisjunk> not usb but it is the same model
[19:47] <DogmaN> k, i read it now
[19:47] <trunkisjunk> now to pastebin......
[19:49] <trunkisjunk> 1st open a text editor and open /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[19:50] <trunkisjunk> 2nd select all and then copy
[19:50] <trunkisjunk> 3rd open your browser and go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587474
[19:51] <trunkisjunk> 4th paste the log into the text area and click on paste
[19:51] <trunkisjunk> 5th paste the url in the browser into here so I can look at it
[19:52] <trunkisjunk> did I explain ok DogmaN?
[19:53] <DogmaN> yea thx
[19:53] <trunkisjunk> oops
[19:53] <trunkisjunk> I gave you a wrong link
[19:53] <trunkisjunk> browse to here http://rafb.net/paste/ and paste the log there
[19:54] <trunkisjunk> so that is a correction for step 3
[19:56] <DogmaN> http://rafb.net/p/aJLZ7A54.html
[19:57] <DogmaN> sry for being so slow but i have to run in between rooms remembering url:s :P
[19:58] <wajimba> hi all
[19:58] <trunkisjunk> looks like you havent finnished mythtv-setup DogmaN
[19:59] <wajimba> how do I turn up the overall system volume?
[19:59] <trunkisjunk> but
[19:59] <wajimba> it's a little too quiet for my stereo system
[20:01] <trunkisjunk> DogmaN did you set a source for your tv input?
[20:01] <trunkisjunk> that is what you log is telling you
[20:02] <DogmaN> Under Input connections ?
[20:02] <DogmaN> [V4L: /dev/video 0] (Television) -> (None)
[20:02] <trunkisjunk> yes, for television  what do you have set as the source?
[20:03] <trunkisjunk> that is the problem
[20:03] <DogmaN> thats what i get there... and composite & S-video
[20:03] <trunkisjunk> you need to set telivision to the source you set up
[20:04] <DogmaN> Under Capture Card i can select Default input Television
[20:04] <DogmaN> but i guess thats not what u mean?
[20:04] <trunkisjunk> so it should say [V4L: /dev/video 0] (Television) -> Comcast     ...or what ever your tv provider is
[20:04] <DogmaN> oh okey
[20:05] <wajimba> is there a way I can set the system volume?
[20:05] <trunkisjunk> does not matter that you dont have listings yet, you should still be able to watch tv
[20:05] <DogmaN> but where do i select my tv-provider?
[20:06] <trunkisjunk> wajimba look in alsamixer
[20:06] <trunkisjunk> DogmaN set up a source in mythtv setup
[20:07] <wajimba> ok
[20:07] <DogmaN> in the backend or frontend? (sorry for being a noob)
[20:08] <trunkisjunk> video sources in mythtv-setup
[20:10] <trunkisjunk> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV_structure
[20:10] <trunkisjunk> DogmaN
[20:10] <DogmaN> yeah i dont think i got that installed.. i only have mythtv backend setup & frontend
[20:11] <trunkisjunk> ?
[20:11] <trunkisjunk> are you using mythbuntu?
[20:11] <DogmaN> yeah
[20:11] <DogmaN> downloaded an iso, burned out and installed
[20:11] <trunkisjunk> ok
[20:12] <DogmaN> well
[20:12] <DogmaN> i got those options
[20:12] <DogmaN> just another gui
[20:12] <DogmaN> so i select sweden
[20:12] <DogmaN> It freezes
[20:13] <DogmaN> now i took "no grabber"
[20:14] <trunkisjunk> all I want you to do in that section is select the proper freq table,  no scanning
[20:14] <trunkisjunk> and name it
[20:15] <trunkisjunk> grabber is later
[20:15] <DogmaN> Okey, so i select Europe east then?
[20:15] <DogmaN> or default or try all?
[20:15] <trunkisjunk> if that is right for you
[20:15] <trunkisjunk> where are you?
[20:15] <DogmaN> im not sure where the boarders are but i live in Sweden so..
[20:16] <DogmaN> east is like russia, west is like france and england :p
[20:16] <DogmaN> But i can try east
[20:16] <trunkisjunk> try west
[20:16] <DogmaN> k
[20:16] <trunkisjunk> that is my guess anyway, but it will be europe-something
[20:17] <DogmaN> yeah
[20:17] <DogmaN> and now i go to input?
[20:17] <DogmaN> where i get the same V4L: /dev/video] (Television) -> (None)
[20:17] <trunkisjunk> now you set the tv input to use the source you just set
[20:17] <DogmaN> oh okey
[20:17] <DogmaN> and scan?
[20:17] <trunkisjunk> no
[20:18] <DogmaN> Okey, i let you do the talk before i screw something up =)
[20:18] <trunkisjunk> well yes scan, but turn off eit or any other guide option
[20:19] <trunkisjunk> we just want to find the channels, not hunt for guide data
[20:19] <trunkisjunk> yet
[20:19] <DogmaN> Signal Strength: 0%
[20:20] <DogmaN> already scanned 40%
[20:20] <trunkisjunk> ok and I am sure you have the antenna or cable plugged in :)
[20:21] <DogmaN> yeah =)
[20:21] <DogmaN> i can plug the one from my tv just to be sure
[20:22] <trunkisjunk> ok
[20:23] <trunkisjunk> do you dual boot, or is this a myth-only box?
[20:23] <DogmaN> still 0%
[20:23] <trunkisjunk> does this box have windows on it too?
[20:23] <DogmaN> i had xp before but think i formated it
[20:24] <trunkisjunk> ok, so the stick worked fine then?
[20:24] <DogmaN> it works fine on the computer in on right now (which is a good one)
[20:24] <trunkisjunk> ok
[20:24] <DogmaN> and it worked decent with pinnacles own program on the one i want it on..
[20:24] <DogmaN> although it got crap hardware but i was able to find channels
[20:25] <trunkisjunk> cool, just eliminating the obvious
[20:26] <trunkisjunk> exit mythtv, and try another program.  xawtv perhaps
[20:26] <trunkisjunk> make sure mythbackend is stopped first
[20:26] <DogmaN> i find xatv in the installer gui?
[20:28] <trunkisjunk> xawtv or tvtime.  those are in synaptic yes
[20:28] <DogmaN> how do i make sure backend is stopped?
[20:28] <apastinen> hi, anyone running with 8.10?
[20:28] <apastinen> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[20:29] <apastinen> DogmaN: for you
[20:29] <trunkisjunk> preceeded by sudo
[20:29] <apastinen> yeah :D
[20:29] <DogmaN> i dont get those command things
[20:29] <DogmaN> where do i write them?
[20:29] <trunkisjunk> ok nvm
[20:29] <DogmaN> I used firefox to navigate to the log lol
[20:30] <trunkisjunk> just install tvtime and/or xawtv
[20:30] <DogmaN> ok installing tvtime
[20:31] <apastinen> nobody running mythtv with ubuntu 8.10? :/
[20:31] <trunkisjunk> that is just a simple tv program
[20:31] <trunkisjunk> running mythbuntu here
[20:32] <apastinen> hmh
[20:32] <DogmaN> okey its installed
[20:32] <DogmaN> i try to find channels
[20:34] <trunkisjunk> if you cant see tv in tvtime, you may need to get the firmware for your card. the links I gave you cover that
[20:35] <trunkisjunk> unfortunately I have to step afk now. life is calling
[20:36] <DogmaN> Okey
[20:36] <DogmaN> thx for the help