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| nixternal | hehm howdy jjesse :) | 00:37 |
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| nixternal | our docs aren't all that shabby now :) | 00:37 |
| jjesse | hello nixternal | 00:38 |
| jjesse | just saw your email, eating late dinner so i'll work on it more | 00:38 |
| nixternal | ya, just finish up what you are working on, the oher guy is doing some updating, and we should be about ready to push a package for translations | 00:38 |
| jjesse | coolio | 00:40 |
| seele | anyone having problems with plasma on 4.2.1? it seems to be running pretty poorly | 01:44 |
| shtylman | seele: on the contrary...for me very smooth :/ | 01:52 |
| seele | hum.. wtf then | 01:53 |
| seele | this is running like total crap | 01:53 |
| josh-l | anyone figure out a fix for firefox tabs using kde4 sytle? | 05:22 |
| agateau | anyone having troubles with NetworkManager in Jaunty? | 09:12 |
| davidbarth | agateau: what kind of problems? | 09:18 |
| agateau | davidbarth: it can't connect to my wifi access point | 09:18 |
| agateau | i can connect manually and with wicd, so i guess it's a NM issue | 09:19 |
| agateau | happens on two machines, with different wifi chipsets | 09:19 |
| Lure | agateau: only with WPA-Enterprise | 09:32 |
| Lure | agateau: and hidden neworks | 09:33 |
| agateau | nothing like that here... wep (due to some old hardware), visible network | 09:33 |
| Lure | agateau: does knetworkmanager or nm-applet work? for me, it is only plasma-widget that is broken | 09:33 |
| agateau | Lure: I haven't tried knetworkmanager but nm-applet does not work | 09:34 |
| Lure | agateau: then it is n-m / driver communication probably - you want to talk with asac | 09:34 |
| agateau | Lure: ok, heading for #ubuntu-devel then :) | 09:35 |
| Lure | agateau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager might help to collect appropriate debugs | 09:35 |
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| Riddell | hola | 09:59 |
| agateau | Lure... seems my wifi problems were highly related to me not selecting the correct key format... :) | 10:00 |
| agateau | Lure: mmm... not so good, I can connect with nm-applet, but not with the kde plasmoid | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tested latest k3b upload ? fixed most of the issues for me | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I've been able to burn isos both dvd and cd... | 10:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: let me try | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk | 10:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: still gets stuck on Writing Lead Out | 10:48 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: I'm still working on the Qt4-X11 bug (#261380). The author of the patch has Qt packages built at https://launchpad.net/~gagern/+archive/ppa | 11:05 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: The only reason (I think) not to ship the patch would be if the Qt packages on the disk grow too much with the patch. Otherwise I see no reason not to do it, and it does indeed give some value for debugging | 11:06 |
| Riddell | bothorsen: if it's in a PPA you can download the packages and compare sizes? | 12:03 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: Yes, but after comparing, I would not really know if it would be acceptable | 12:04 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: The patch itself looks good to me | 12:05 |
| Riddell | bothorsen: well what's the difference? | 12:06 |
| * bothorsen downloads again :) | 12:07 | |
| * Riddell away for upgrade testing | 12:07 | |
| bothorsen | Riddell: Looks like the packages don't really grow, actually | 12:28 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: libqtcore4 went from 1,458kB to 1,462 kB. Much less than I had feared | 12:29 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I'm testing Kubuntu this afternoon anything I should be looking out for in particular? | 12:29 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: I assume the size of the dbg packages isn't really important? | 12:31 |
| davmor2 | agateau: did you get the nepomuk issue resolved (was it you looking at it) | 12:35 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Three days to beta! | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and Beta Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: the count down! | 12:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Yep! | 12:38 |
| Riddell | davmor2: we turned nepomuk off, if you open it in system settings it should prompt you to install the working but non-free backend | 12:38 |
| Riddell | bothorsen: that sounds good, dbg package size not really important | 12:39 |
| Riddell | bothorsen: so remind me again what this patch does which is different from qt's normal debug setup? | 12:39 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Right I'll take a look at that after then :) | 12:39 |
| Riddell | davmor2: check if the plasmoids on the desktop start up properly I guess | 12:40 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Yes no probs if you think of anything else just ping me :) | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: about k3b, works well for me.... that's strange.... | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are you playing with a dvd-rw or +rw ? | 12:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: +rw says here | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was testing with a -rw | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll ask other people to test... | 12:44 |
| bothorsen | Riddell: The patch removes the strip from the build, so the library has more debug info and you can singlestep into the package code and get better backtraces | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just uploading another svn snap for k3b... lots of commits those days... | 12:54 |
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| ScottK | Considering we won't get kdelibs off the CD due to OOo, is it really worth pushing forward with k3b at this point? | 13:10 |
| Riddell | upgrade from intrepid seems to work | 13:28 |
| Riddell | ScottK: it would be nice since kde 3 has no kioslaves et al, but it's not a priority for the reason you say | 13:29 |
| agateau | davmor2: sort of, we work-arounded it by disabling nepomuk end suggesting the installation of the soprano-backend-sesame package | 13:32 |
| Riddell | hrm, python-qt4-dbus is broken on this upgrade | 13:37 |
| agateau | Just played a bit with KPackageKit +/- icons... | 13:49 |
| agateau | the current implementation looks a bit ugly IMO | 13:50 |
| agateau | is it too late to fix this? (assuming I have a patch ready ;-) ) | 13:50 |
| Riddell | agateau: should be ok, do run your design past seele | 13:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 13:51 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: how did your upgrade go? | 14:04 |
| freinhard | erm anyone with intel hardware and UXA round? just went through the UXA bugs on launchpad and noticed that VT switching seems to work (at least for me)? | 14:13 |
| cbr | hmm.. pidgin went all 100% cpu on me | 14:15 |
| cbr | for no reason | 14:15 |
| freinhard | cbr: there's one reason: you shounld use kopete as long as you are in #kubuntu-* ;) | 14:18 |
| cbr | kopete doesn't cope with accepting new friend request in MSN | 14:19 |
| cbr | it just displays the horrible black KDE popup near the systray | 14:20 |
| cbr | which has only a "View" button on it | 14:20 |
| cbr | which displays kopete main window | 14:20 |
| cbr | and that's it... | 14:20 |
| cbr | it has failed in the past as well.. so when i logged in with pidgin (or was it gaim then), i had several pending buddy requests | 14:22 |
| cbr | so i can't trust it any more :( | 14:22 |
| freinhard | didn' kopete move to libmsn recently? (using kopete just for jabber and oscar) | 14:25 |
| cbr | it did | 14:26 |
| ScottK | cbr: Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed too or just kubuntu-desktop? | 14:27 |
| agateau | Riddell: just for info, here is the result of my changes: http://imagebin.ca/view/OS6yShz8.html | 14:27 |
| agateau | (note that there is a mouse over effect, but it's difficult to notice on a static image) | 14:27 |
| cbr | ScottK: i have kubuntu installed, but pieces of gnome too | 14:28 |
| cbr | like rhythmbox, synaptic, nm-applet and pidgin | 14:28 |
| ScottK | cbr: I'd check and see if you have notify-osd installed. | 14:29 |
| cbr | ScottK: i don't | 14:30 |
| ScottK | OK, we can't blame that then. | 14:30 |
| * ScottK wonders if maco know about what to try next? | 14:31 | |
| maco | what? | 14:31 |
| maco | i was just about to report a notify-osd bug... | 14:32 |
| ScottK | cbr: Would you please summarize your pidgin problem for maco? | 14:32 |
| cbr | it went 100% cpu on me | 14:32 |
| cbr | :p | 14:32 |
| maco | lovely | 14:34 |
| * ScottK figures maco is the local pidgin in KDE expert. | 14:34 | |
| maco | haha | 14:36 |
| * ScottK is not kidding. | 14:36 | |
| maco | well i just found that when a friend sent me a jabber auth request and we were both using pidgin, BOTH of our pidgins crashed | 14:36 |
| maco | do you have a bunch of pidgin plugins enabled? id disable them and see if it happens again | 14:37 |
| cbr | exactly zero | 14:38 |
| cbr | i've had kmail crash on me as well, after imap has hanged | 14:39 |
| maco | yeah well kmail crashing is apparently "yeah, we know. just dont use imap" from what ive gathered when i whine about it | 14:39 |
| ScottK | Kmail and imap have never been a good combination. Some people have success with disconnected IMAP. | 14:39 |
| maco | yes, disconnected imap does work. just dont read the mails while it's syncing. you'll have to go through and remark them as read | 14:40 |
| maco | which is still less annoying that crashing | 14:40 |
| cbr | disconnected imap? | 14:40 |
| maco | yeah | 14:41 |
| maco | it batches the server requests | 14:41 |
| cbr | uhuh, not getting it :p | 14:42 |
| agateau | it also caches result so that you can read your mail offline | 14:42 |
| maco | i get the impression its that halfway between pop & imap utopia protocol i wanted and wouldnt use a mail client because it didnt exist | 14:42 |
| agateau | at least, that's the theory | 14:42 |
| cbr | so it's pop3 essentially? | 14:42 |
| maco | except it syncs with the server | 14:43 |
| maco | so any changs you do locally still happen on the server like imap, just not til the next sync | 14:43 |
| maco | i have had pidgin use 100% cpu once, and i was in gnome at the time | 14:44 |
| maco | jdong claimed it was likely a bad reverse dependency thing with a plugin...i think i was using a getdeb pidgin at the time | 14:44 |
| agateau | no it's imap, with a cache | 14:45 |
| agateau | if you remove a message from your folder, it will remove it on the server when it gets connected | 14:45 |
| maco | yeah, the utopia protocol :P | 14:46 |
| agateau | it's also the way it works in thunderbird if you mark a folder for offline use | 14:46 |
| Quintasan | Hi | 15:16 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: if it works, yes, I think so, but atm it's still only on my ppa | 15:23 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: lots of things are broken in kde3 k3b due to ioslaves... | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I think testing in your PPA is great. I'm not sure we ought to push the KDE4 version over the KDE3 version this late in the cycle. | 15:24 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: except if it works like a charm, that's right | 15:24 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: and this is the reason it's not already in, btw :) | 15:24 |
| ScottK | Yes, of course. | 15:24 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: we can consider backports / sru if it there's an official release later... | 15:25 |
| ScottK | I mostly wanted to point out that one of the reasons we were pushing for it (kdelibs off the CD) isn't happening regardless of k3b. | 15:25 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I knew about OOo for long ! | 15:25 |
| ScottK | OK. Just making sure. | 15:25 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: talking about that, I'll look at OOo and kde4 integration.... I think nothing is in the work for this | 15:26 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I have a hack for kde4 dialogs that works pretty well here, but the way to do that is really crap :) | 15:26 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 15:26 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: you have to force gnome and then wrap to kde4 dialogs :) | 15:27 |
| Tonio_ | but it works, very decently :) | 15:27 |
| cbr | where's the kde4 k3b ppa? | 15:34 |
| maco | Tonio_: wait you mean the "use my qt theme on gtk apps" thing? | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | maco: nope, I'm talking about dialog boxes :) | 15:37 |
| maco | Tonio_: on OOo or are there two topics at once? | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | maco: nope the other one is a crappy one, therefore not a valid topic to discuss for kubuntu :) | 15:38 |
| maco | well you were talking about OOo v. kde4... | 15:38 |
| maco | i thougth you were saying "make OOo do GTK stuff, then make it use the qt-for-gtk theme" | 15:38 |
| Tonio_ | maco: nope I as talking about kgtk, which is an ugly ld_preload hack, but that works | 15:39 |
| maco | oh ok | 15:39 |
| a|wen | evening everyone | 16:02 |
| Riddell | hello a|wen | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: desktop notes is still translucent | 16:41 |
| Riddell | mmm | 16:41 |
| Riddell | freeflying: have you seen this? http://qiacat.blogspot.com/2009/03/kimpane-applet-ask-for-review.html | 16:41 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Only till you hover the mouse over them now :) | 16:44 |
| Lure | remind me: if I move some files from one binary package to other (both from same source), I need to Replaces/Conflicts to other version (with <= version)? | 17:05 |
| * Lure wants to move some files from digikam to showfoto package | 17:05 | |
| JontheEchidna | correct | 17:05 |
| Lure | JontheEchidna: ok, was just not sure if <= works with Replaces/Conflicts | 17:06 |
| Riddell | Lure: << not <= | 17:09 |
| a|wen | depends on which version you use after << or <= | 17:10 |
| Riddell | << new-version | 17:11 |
| Riddell | in my humble opinion | 17:11 |
| a|wen | seems both are used almost equally ... but i think i would go for the << new-version as well | 17:17 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Three days to beta! Please test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and Beta Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
| Riddell | ** test CDs and upgrades | 18:25 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Yay :) | 18:26 |
| a|wen | gwenview using 3 GB of memory in kde 4.2.1 ... looks like there is a memory leak somewhere | 18:53 |
| ScottK | Inherent risk of using g* packages in KDE? | 18:54 |
| Riddell | a|wen: ask agateau when he reappears | 18:55 |
| a|wen | Riddell: i'll remember that | 18:57 |
| a|wen | no new fixes to kdegraphics in jaunty compared to intrepid; so is most likely present there as well | 18:58 |
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| Riddell | glatzor! | 19:09 |
| Riddell | proofreader: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 | 19:10 |
| Riddell | nixternal ^^ | 19:10 |
| * nixternal looks | 19:10 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: I am making it pretty now | 19:18 |
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| seaLne | nixternal: "Welcome to Kubuntu 8.10" heading needs updated | 19:23 |
| Riddell | nixternal: link in first line should be to JauntyJackalope not IntrepidIbox | 19:24 |
| seaLne | nixternal: "4) Go and have a coffee while 8.10 is downloaded and installed." | 19:24 |
| nixternal | right | 19:24 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Went perfectly. My power went out half way through (my dad was installing new light fixtures and flipped the breaker)... but I got it going fine afterwards... | 19:25 |
| seaLne | nixternal: something wrong with the formatting a bit before === Troubleshooting === probably | 19:25 |
| nixternal | yup | 19:25 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: My wireless also broke after the upgrade (ath5k), but I think that's my fault since I was messing around in /etc/moduluse.d/ and /etc/modules... | 19:26 |
| ryanakca | Fixed it though ;) | 19:26 |
| Riddell | nixternal, seaLne: one more https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu | 19:30 |
| nixternal | ahhhh | 19:30 |
| nixternal | oh, you did that on another page :) | 19:30 |
| nixternal | scared me for a second | 19:30 |
| seaLne | is /cdrom/cdromupgrade the right path in one of the screenshots? | 19:31 |
| nixternal | /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade | 19:31 |
| nixternal | i didn't see in the screenshot, just in the text, and I hve fixed that | 19:32 |
| Riddell | mm, probably not | 19:32 |
| seaLne | the dialog in 3) isn't very user friendly sounds scary but thats for some other time | 19:33 |
| seaLne | that pae also has the welcome to 8.10 wrong | 19:34 |
| seaLne | i think the pages could do with better formatting to show that those are different options for upgrading | 19:37 |
| nixternal | doing that now | 19:37 |
| Riddell | they could go alongside each other, in a table | 19:41 |
| seaLne | would make them very narrow and some are much longer than the otheres | 19:45 |
| Riddell | well just the internet or cd option one | 19:45 |
| nixternal | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 | 19:47 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I used <= old_version | 21:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: it was easier to test with my ~lure~ppaX versions | 21:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: if I send you debdiff for digikam, can you upload (fix for icon paths for non-KDE desktop)? | 21:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: can do | 21:28 |
| Riddell | it won't get through until after beta | 21:28 |
| Lure | Riddell: sent | 21:44 |
| valgaav | When kicoff is opened and I switch the virtual desktops by pressing on the second one the kickoff never comes up again, is it a known bug ? | 21:51 |
| ScottK | I had something like this happen once. | 21:52 |
| ScottK | I switched to classic menu style and back and it was fine after. | 21:53 |
| valgaav | I'll have to try that then :) thanks | 21:56 |
| ScottK | If it happens more than once, it's worth reporting. | 21:57 |
| valgaav | it happened all the time | 21:58 |
| valgaav | but now when I switched to classic menu and back to kickoff it doesn't happen anymore | 21:58 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Do you know about ^^^ this bug? | 21:58 |
| valgaav | strange bug | 21:58 |
| JontheEchidna | not that I know of | 21:59 |
| ScottK | valgaav: Then I think you should file a bug report. | 21:59 |
| valgaav | I spoke too soon :P | 21:59 |
| valgaav | it happened again :/ | 21:59 |
| JontheEchidna | I doubt it'd be a kubuntu-specific issue, so I'd probably report it at bugs.kde.org | 21:59 |
| valgaav | I'll check another distro in live mode to make sure ... but yeah I think it's upstream | 22:01 |
| valgaav | will report, thanks for the way to fix it though :) sure is nicer then restaring X server | 22:01 |
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