[00:37] <nixternal> hehm howdy jjesse :)
[00:37] <nixternal> our docs aren't all that shabby now :)
[00:38] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[00:38] <jjesse> just saw your email, eating late dinner so i'll work on it more
[00:38] <nixternal> ya, just finish up what you are working on, the oher guy is doing some updating, and we should be about ready to push a package for translations
[00:40] <jjesse> coolio
[01:44] <seele> anyone having problems with plasma on 4.2.1? it seems to be running pretty poorly
[01:52] <shtylman> seele: on the contrary...for me very smooth :/
[01:53] <seele> hum.. wtf then
[01:53] <seele> this is running like total crap
[05:22] <josh-l> anyone figure out a fix for firefox tabs using kde4 sytle?
[09:12] <agateau> anyone having troubles with NetworkManager in Jaunty?
[09:18] <davidbarth> agateau: what kind of problems?
[09:18] <agateau> davidbarth: it can't connect to my wifi access point
[09:19] <agateau> i can connect manually and with wicd, so i guess it's a NM issue
[09:19] <agateau> happens on two machines, with different wifi chipsets
[09:32] <Lure> agateau: only with WPA-Enterprise
[09:33] <Lure> agateau: and hidden neworks
[09:33] <agateau> nothing like that here... wep (due to some old hardware), visible network
[09:33] <Lure> agateau: does knetworkmanager or nm-applet work? for me, it is only plasma-widget that is broken
[09:34] <agateau> Lure: I haven't tried knetworkmanager but nm-applet does not work
[09:34] <Lure> agateau: then it is n-m / driver communication probably - you want to talk with asac
[09:35] <agateau> Lure: ok, heading for #ubuntu-devel then :)
[09:35] <Lure> agateau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager might help to collect appropriate debugs
[09:59] <Riddell> hola
[10:00] <agateau> Lure... seems my wifi problems were highly related to me not selecting the correct key format... :)
[10:10] <agateau> Lure: mmm... not so good, I can connect with nm-applet, but not with the kde plasmoid
[10:32] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested latest k3b upload ? fixed most of the issues for me
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been able to burn isos both dvd and cd...
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: let me try
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[10:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: still gets stuck on Writing Lead Out
[11:05] <bothorsen> Riddell: I'm still working on the Qt4-X11 bug (#261380). The author of the patch has Qt packages built at https://launchpad.net/~gagern/+archive/ppa
[11:06] <bothorsen> Riddell: The only reason (I think) not to ship the patch would be if the Qt packages on the disk grow too much with the patch. Otherwise I see no reason not to do it, and it does indeed give some value for debugging
[12:03] <Riddell> bothorsen: if it's in a PPA you can download the packages and compare sizes?
[12:04] <bothorsen> Riddell: Yes, but after comparing, I would not really know if it would be acceptable
[12:05] <bothorsen> Riddell: The patch itself looks good to me
[12:06] <Riddell> bothorsen: well what's the difference?
[12:07]  * bothorsen downloads again :)
[12:07]  * Riddell away for upgrade testing
[12:28] <bothorsen> Riddell: Looks like the packages don't really grow, actually
[12:29] <bothorsen> Riddell: libqtcore4 went from 1,458kB to 1,462 kB. Much less than I had feared
[12:29] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm testing Kubuntu this afternoon anything I should be looking out for in particular?
[12:31] <bothorsen> Riddell: I assume the size of the dbg packages isn't really important?
[12:35] <davmor2> agateau: did you get the nepomuk issue resolved (was it you looking at it)
[12:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the count down!
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> Yep!
[12:38] <Riddell> davmor2: we turned nepomuk off, if you open it in system settings it should prompt you to install the working but non-free backend
[12:39] <Riddell> bothorsen: that sounds good, dbg package size not really important
[12:39] <Riddell> bothorsen: so remind me again what this patch does which is different from qt's normal debug setup?
[12:39] <davmor2> Riddell: Right I'll take a look at that after then :)
[12:40] <Riddell> davmor2: check if the plasmoids on the desktop start up properly I guess
[12:41] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes no probs if you think of anything else just ping me :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: about k3b, works well for me.... that's strange....
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you playing with a dvd-rw or +rw ?
[12:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: +rw says here
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was testing with a -rw
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ask other people to test...
[12:45] <bothorsen> Riddell: The patch removes the strip from the build, so the library has more debug info and you can singlestep into the package code and get better backtraces
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploading another svn snap for k3b... lots of commits those days...
[13:10] <ScottK> Considering we won't get kdelibs off the CD due to OOo, is it really worth pushing forward with k3b at this point?
[13:28] <Riddell> upgrade from intrepid seems to work
[13:29] <Riddell> ScottK: it would be nice since kde 3 has no kioslaves et al, but it's not a priority for the reason you say
[13:32] <agateau> davmor2: sort of, we work-arounded it by disabling nepomuk end suggesting the installation of the soprano-backend-sesame package
[13:37] <Riddell> hrm, python-qt4-dbus is broken on this upgrade
[13:49] <agateau> Just played a bit with KPackageKit +/- icons...
[13:50] <agateau> the current implementation looks a bit ugly IMO
[13:50] <agateau> is it too late to fix this? (assuming I have a patch ready ;-) )
[13:50] <Riddell> agateau: should be ok, do run your design past seele
[13:51] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[14:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: how did your upgrade go?
[14:13] <freinhard> erm anyone with intel hardware and UXA round? just went through the UXA bugs on launchpad and noticed that VT switching seems to work (at least for me)?
[14:15] <cbr> hmm.. pidgin went all 100% cpu on me
[14:15] <cbr> for no reason
[14:18] <freinhard> cbr: there's one reason: you shounld use kopete as long as you are in #kubuntu-* ;)
[14:19] <cbr> kopete doesn't cope with accepting new friend request in MSN
[14:20] <cbr> it just displays the horrible black KDE popup near the systray
[14:20] <cbr> which has only a "View" button on it
[14:20] <cbr> which displays kopete main window
[14:20] <cbr> and that's it...
[14:22] <cbr> it has failed in the past as well.. so when i logged in with pidgin (or was it gaim then), i had several pending buddy requests
[14:22] <cbr> so i can't trust it any more :(
[14:25] <freinhard> didn' kopete move to libmsn recently? (using kopete just for jabber and oscar)
[14:26] <cbr> it did
[14:27] <ScottK> cbr: Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed too or just kubuntu-desktop?
[14:27] <agateau> Riddell: just for info, here is the result of my changes: http://imagebin.ca/view/OS6yShz8.html
[14:27] <agateau> (note that there is a mouse over effect, but it's difficult to notice on a static image)
[14:28] <cbr> ScottK: i have kubuntu installed, but pieces of gnome too
[14:28] <cbr> like rhythmbox, synaptic, nm-applet and pidgin
[14:29] <ScottK> cbr: I'd check and see if you have notify-osd installed.
[14:30] <cbr> ScottK: i don't
[14:30] <ScottK> OK, we can't blame that then.
[14:31]  * ScottK wonders if maco know about what to try next?
[14:31] <maco> what?
[14:32] <maco> i was just about to report a notify-osd bug...
[14:32] <ScottK> cbr: Would you please summarize your pidgin problem for maco?
[14:32] <cbr> it went 100% cpu on me
[14:32] <cbr> :p
[14:34] <maco> lovely
[14:34]  * ScottK figures maco is the local pidgin in KDE expert.
[14:36] <maco> haha
[14:36]  * ScottK is not kidding.
[14:36] <maco> well i just found that when a friend sent me a jabber auth request and we were both using pidgin, BOTH of our pidgins crashed
[14:37] <maco> do you have a bunch of pidgin plugins enabled? id disable them and see if it happens again
[14:38] <cbr> exactly zero
[14:39] <cbr> i've had kmail crash on me as well, after imap has hanged
[14:39] <maco> yeah well kmail crashing is apparently "yeah, we know. just dont use imap" from what ive gathered when i whine about it
[14:39] <ScottK> Kmail and imap have never been a good combination.  Some people have success with disconnected IMAP.
[14:40] <maco> yes, disconnected imap does work. just dont read the mails while it's syncing. you'll have to go through and remark them as read
[14:40] <maco> which is still less annoying that crashing
[14:40] <cbr> disconnected imap?
[14:41] <maco> yeah
[14:41] <maco> it batches the server requests
[14:42] <cbr> uhuh, not getting it :p
[14:42] <agateau> it also caches result so that you can read your mail offline
[14:42] <maco> i get the impression its that halfway between pop & imap utopia protocol i wanted and wouldnt use a mail client because it didnt exist
[14:42] <agateau> at least, that's the theory
[14:42] <cbr> so it's pop3 essentially?
[14:43] <maco> except it syncs with the server
[14:43] <maco> so any changs you do locally still happen on the server like imap, just not til the next sync
[14:44] <maco> i have had pidgin use 100% cpu once, and i was in gnome at the time
[14:44] <maco> jdong claimed it was likely a bad reverse dependency thing with a plugin...i think i was using a getdeb pidgin at the time
[14:45] <agateau> no it's imap, with a cache
[14:45] <agateau> if you remove a message from your folder, it will remove it on the server when it gets connected
[14:46] <maco> yeah, the utopia protocol :P
[14:46] <agateau> it's also the way it works in thunderbird if you mark a folder for offline use
[15:16] <Quintasan> Hi
[15:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: if it works, yes, I think so, but atm it's still only on my ppa
[15:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: lots of things are broken in kde3 k3b due to ioslaves...
[15:24] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think testing in your PPA is great.  I'm not sure we ought to push the KDE4 version over the KDE3 version this late in the cycle.
[15:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: except if it works like a charm, that's right
[15:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: and this is the reason it's not already in, btw :)
[15:24] <ScottK> Yes, of course.
[15:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: we can consider backports / sru if it there's an official release later...
[15:25] <ScottK> I mostly wanted to point out that one of the reasons we were pushing for it (kdelibs off the CD) isn't happening regardless of k3b.
[15:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: I knew about OOo for long !
[15:25] <ScottK> OK.  Just making sure.
[15:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: talking about that, I'll look at OOo and kde4 integration.... I think nothing is in the work for this
[15:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have a hack for kde4 dialogs that works pretty well here, but the way to do that is really crap :)
[15:26] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: you have to force gnome and then wrap to kde4 dialogs :)
[15:27] <Tonio_> but it works, very decently :)
[15:34] <cbr> where's the kde4 k3b ppa?
[15:37] <maco> Tonio_: wait you mean the "use my qt theme on gtk apps" thing?
[15:37] <Tonio_> maco: nope, I'm talking about dialog boxes :)
[15:37] <maco> Tonio_: on OOo or are there two topics at once?
[15:38] <Tonio_> maco: nope the other one is a crappy one, therefore not a valid topic to discuss for kubuntu :)
[15:38] <maco> well you were talking about OOo v. kde4...
[15:38] <maco> i thougth you were saying "make OOo do GTK stuff, then make it use the qt-for-gtk theme"
[15:39] <Tonio_> maco: nope I as talking about kgtk, which is an ugly ld_preload hack, but that works
[15:39] <maco> oh ok
[16:02] <a|wen> evening everyone
[16:03] <Riddell> hello a|wen
[16:41] <davmor2> Riddell: desktop notes is still translucent
[16:41] <Riddell> mmm
[16:41] <Riddell> freeflying: have you seen this?  http://qiacat.blogspot.com/2009/03/kimpane-applet-ask-for-review.html
[16:44] <davmor2> Riddell: Only till you hover the mouse over them now :)
[17:05] <Lure> remind me: if I move some files from one binary package to other (both from same source), I need to Replaces/Conflicts to other version (with <= version)?
[17:05]  * Lure wants to move some files from digikam to showfoto package
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> correct
[17:06] <Lure> JontheEchidna: ok, was just not sure if <= works with Replaces/Conflicts
[17:09] <Riddell> Lure: << not <=
[17:10] <a|wen> depends on which version you use after << or <=
[17:11] <Riddell> << new-version
[17:11] <Riddell> in my humble opinion
[17:17] <a|wen> seems both are used almost equally ... but i think i would go for the << new-version as well
[18:25] <Riddell> ** test CDs and upgrades
[18:26] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay :)
[18:53] <a|wen> gwenview using 3 GB of memory in kde 4.2.1 ... looks like there is a memory leak somewhere
[18:54] <ScottK> Inherent risk of using g* packages in KDE?
[18:55] <Riddell> a|wen: ask agateau when he reappears
[18:57] <a|wen> Riddell: i'll remember that
[18:58] <a|wen> no new fixes to kdegraphics in jaunty compared to intrepid; so is most likely present there as well
[19:09] <Riddell> glatzor!
[19:10] <Riddell> proofreader: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[19:10] <Riddell> nixternal ^^
[19:10]  * nixternal looks
[19:18] <nixternal> Riddell: I am making it pretty now
[19:23] <seaLne> nixternal: "Welcome to Kubuntu 8.10" heading needs updated
[19:24] <Riddell> nixternal: link in first line should be to JauntyJackalope not IntrepidIbox
[19:24] <seaLne> nixternal: "4) Go and have a coffee while 8.10 is downloaded and installed."
[19:24] <nixternal> right
[19:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: Went perfectly. My power went out half way through (my dad was installing new light fixtures and flipped the breaker)... but I got it going fine afterwards...
[19:25] <seaLne> nixternal: something wrong with the formatting a bit before [19:25] <nixternal> yup
[19:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: My wireless also broke after the upgrade (ath5k), but I think that's my fault since I was messing around in /etc/moduluse.d/ and /etc/modules...
[19:26] <ryanakca> Fixed it though ;)
[19:30] <Riddell> nixternal, seaLne: one more  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:30] <nixternal> ahhhh
[19:30] <nixternal> oh, you did that on another page :)
[19:30] <nixternal> scared me for a second
[19:31] <seaLne> is /cdrom/cdromupgrade the right path in one of the screenshots?
[19:31] <nixternal> /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade
[19:32] <nixternal> i didn't see in the screenshot, just in the text, and I hve fixed that
[19:32] <Riddell> mm, probably not
[19:33] <seaLne> the dialog in 3) isn't very user friendly sounds scary but thats for some other time
[19:34] <seaLne> that pae also has the welcome to 8.10 wrong
[19:37] <seaLne> i think the pages could do with better formatting to show that those are different options for upgrading
[19:37] <nixternal> doing that now
[19:41] <Riddell> they could go alongside each other, in a table
[19:45] <seaLne> would make them very narrow and some are much longer than the otheres
[19:45] <Riddell> well just the internet or cd option one
[19:47] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[21:08] <Lure> Riddell: I used <= old_version
[21:08] <Lure> Riddell: it was easier to test with my ~lure~ppaX versions
[21:09] <Lure> Riddell: if I send you debdiff for digikam, can you upload (fix for icon paths for non-KDE desktop)?
[21:28] <Riddell> Lure: can do
[21:28] <Riddell> it won't get through until after beta
[21:44] <Lure> Riddell: sent
[21:51] <valgaav> When kicoff is opened and I switch the virtual desktops by pressing on the second one the kickoff never comes up again, is it a known bug ?
[21:52] <ScottK> I had something like this happen once.
[21:53] <ScottK> I switched to classic menu style and back and it was fine after.
[21:56] <valgaav> I'll have to try that then :)  thanks
[21:57] <ScottK> If it happens more than once, it's worth reporting.
[21:58] <valgaav> it happened all the time
[21:58] <valgaav> but now when I switched to classic menu and back to kickoff it doesn't happen anymore
[21:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Do you know about ^^^ this bug?
[21:58] <valgaav> strange bug
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> not that I know of
[21:59] <ScottK> valgaav: Then I think you should file a bug report.
[21:59] <valgaav> I spoke too soon :P
[21:59] <valgaav> it happened again :/
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> I doubt it'd be a kubuntu-specific issue, so I'd probably report it at bugs.kde.org
[22:01] <valgaav> I'll check another distro in live mode to make sure ... but yeah I think it's upstream
[22:01] <valgaav> will report, thanks for the way to fix it though :) sure is nicer then restaring X server