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| pitti | Good morning | 06:36 |
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| didrocks | morning pitti o/ | 07:31 |
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| seb128 | hello | 08:58 |
| asac | hi seb128 | 08:59 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 & asac | 09:07 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games | 09:07 |
| mvo | hey seb128, good morning | 09:07 |
| mvo | good morning didrocks and asac :) | 09:07 |
| asac | hi mvo didrocks ;) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | hi mvo ;) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 09:10 |
| seb128 | hey asac mvo | 09:10 |
| seb128 | everybody welcomes robert_ancell he's joining Canonical today to work on GNOME | 09:11 |
| seb128 | ie packaging, bugs fixing, etc ;-) | 09:11 |
| didrocks | congrats robert_ancell \o/ | 09:12 |
| robert_ancell | Hi all! | 09:12 |
| mvo | hey robert_ancell, welcome! | 09:13 |
| davidbarth | welcome robert_ancell! | 09:17 |
| * asac hugs robert_ancell | 09:17 | |
| asac | robert_ancell: where are you based? | 09:18 |
| robert_ancell | asac, sydney, australia | 09:21 |
| asac | cool! welcome | 09:21 |
| asac | any clue if behdad (pango) lurks on any IRC channels? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files | 09:23 |
| seb128 | asac: #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org, #cairo here | 09:23 |
| asac | seb128: is behdad his nick? | 09:24 |
| seb128 | asac: yes | 09:24 |
| james_w | welcome robert_ancell | 09:25 |
| asac | cool thanks. | 09:25 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 09:25 |
| asac | hi james_w | 09:25 |
| james_w | hey asac | 09:25 |
| james_w | sorry for not helping you out, but you could check my /away or canonical admin to find out if I am working before complaining that I don't respond :-) | 09:26 |
| james_w | I haven't seen a bug report about your issue yet, is there one buried in my bug mail folder? | 09:26 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-February/001305.html has some hint about using common stock replies | 09:26 |
| crevette | hello | 09:29 |
| * crevette just reach 5000 points \./ | 09:29 | |
| crevette | hello seb128 didrocks asac and everybody | 09:30 |
| james_w | salut crevette | 09:30 |
| crevette | hi james_w | 09:30 |
| crevette | am I known to be french ? | 09:31 |
| crevette | :) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | crevette: to what? | 09:31 |
| asac | james_w: i complained? .... didnt mean it that way ;) | 09:34 |
| crevette | seb128, hey, sorry I didn't get you. | 09:35 |
| asac | james_w: really. i more felt a bit like "too much complaining" ;) | 09:35 |
| james_w | asac: sorry, complaining was a strong word | 09:35 |
| james_w | asac: I'm back now though, so feel free to complain some more ;-) | 09:35 |
| asac | james_w: good :) | 09:36 |
| asac | i will come up with a clean list of the issues i am currently seeing | 09:37 |
| james_w | thanks | 09:37 |
| didrocks | plop crevette | 09:40 |
| crevette | hey didrocks | 09:40 |
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| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:45 |
| c_korn | hello | 09:46 |
| c_korn | is someone here who works on FUSA? | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 09:47 |
| seb128 | c_korn: hey, ted do, we have read your email on the list but that was during the weekend no need to be impatient about it ;-) | 09:48 |
| c_korn | I am not that impatient :P | 09:50 |
| c_korn | just got an email that a guy called bruce69 might hang around here and works on FUSA | 09:50 |
| seb128 | jaunty is frozen for beta this week | 09:50 |
| seb128 | c_korn: you got a reply from ted on the list | 09:51 |
| c_korn | right, so do I have to open a FFe? because my patch adds the feature to disable those logout/restart/shutdown confirmation dialogs | 09:54 |
| seb128 | no | 09:54 |
| seb128 | that's an easy option and not in the UI | 09:54 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure that's a good idea though | 09:55 |
| c_korn | it is in the UI. I added an option in the settings dialog | 09:55 |
| c_korn | it is annoying for me to be asked twice. | 09:55 |
| c_korn | but I saw the feature was requested | 09:55 |
| c_korn | so it is enabled by default but can be disabled in settings | 09:56 |
| seb128 | you are not asked twice | 09:56 |
| seb128 | I doubt the UI option will be accepted, that should just be a gconf key | 09:56 |
| seb128 | you select the item are asked once and it does the action | 09:56 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: bug #347089 is a nice one ;-) | 09:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347089 in gcalctool "no warning before attempting insane calculations" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347089 | 09:57 |
| c_korn | well, as the default is to show the confirmations maybe it will be accepted. | 09:59 |
| c_korn | but won't hurt if it has to be a gconf key only, anyway | 10:00 |
| c_korn | then maybe ubuntu-tweak author wants to add it or so. I just want any option to disable the confirmations. | 10:00 |
| seb128 | as said I'm not sure that's a good idea, it's a disruptive action | 10:03 |
| seb128 | and having most install showing a confirmation and some none can trick users to be less careful and destroy work because they use a tweaked config | 10:03 |
| c_korn | I get your point. I will just wait what ted says. | 10:05 |
| seb128 | is there anything to do to get the stock replies greasemonkey working in firefox? | 10:27 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: hey! welcome to Ubuntu! | 10:30 |
| * pitti gives robert_ancell a big hug | 10:30 | |
| robert_ancell | pitti: Hi! | 10:30 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: how's London? survived the long flight? | 10:31 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: Yeah, I'm here physically - my mind might take another day or so to arrive though :) | 10:31 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: enjoy the week (although it'll probably become pretty intense0 | 10:33 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: It's already intense enough meeting everyone - so many names to remember... | 10:33 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: don't worry; if it's any consolation, I have been working for C for 5 years now, and don't know half of the company :) | 10:35 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: mostly because new people come in faster than I can remember them, and we are too large and distributed now | 10:35 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: Yeah, I hadn't realised it had grown by quite so much over the last few years. Good that it has though! | 10:36 |
| crevette | seb128, I didn't look but I guess you have greasemonkey installed ? | 10:36 |
| seb128 | crevette: firefox-greasemonkey yes | 10:37 |
| crevette | IIRC you need to right click on the script that must be called *user.js and choose "install" | 10:37 |
| crevette | but I didn't played with greasemonkey for a while | 10:37 |
| * crevette installs greasemonkey to see | 10:38 | |
| seb128 | I've installed it | 10:38 |
| seb128 | the greasemonkey icon is showed in the corner | 10:39 |
| seb128 | there is just no + button to add replies anywhere to be seen | 10:39 |
| * crevette doesn't find neither how it works | 10:42 | |
| asac | seb128: which gtkhtml3 source should i use to track the px regression? | 11:28 |
| asac | 3.8? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | asac: the current one | 11:28 |
| asac | hehe | 11:28 |
| asac | yeah | 11:28 |
| seb128 | gtkhtml3.14 | 11:28 |
| asac | ok let me check | 11:28 |
| asac | darn ... why didnt launchpad suggest that :(/ | 11:28 |
| asac | seb128: aye ... it was at the top of course ;) | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | seb128, pitti: Just a quick query which you guys will almost certainly be able to answer. Why do we have cd/dvd Creator in system? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | upstream decision | 11:44 |
| pitti | eww | 11:44 |
| pitti | stuff keeps crawling into this | 11:44 |
| seb128 | the change should maybe be reconsidered for jaunty | 11:45 |
| seb128 | I'm not convinced it's right | 11:46 |
| seb128 | we should get mpt's opinion on that ;-) | 11:46 |
| mpt | Well, Brasero doesn't really belong in any of the categories, does it | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | mpt: it's not brasero | 11:47 |
| mpt | no? | 11:47 |
| seb128 | mpt: they have 2 menu entries now, one opening the brasero gui and one opening burn: in nautilus | 11:48 |
| mpt | I thought burn: had been deprecated? | 11:48 |
| seb128 | brasero is in the video and sound category | 11:48 |
| mpt | or replaced by Brasero, or something | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | mpt: brasero is in sound and video and has been for a while this is the old nautilus cd/dvd /creator | 11:48 |
| seb128 | mpt: no, nautilus-cd-burner has been | 11:48 |
| seb128 | mpt: brasero implements burn: now | 11:48 |
| asac | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/135972/ -> thats what i mean by "unclean" ;) ... clean: doesnt remove all cruft | 11:48 |
| mpt | I see | 11:48 |
| seb128 | asac: ah, yeah, clean target are often buggy | 11:49 |
| asac | i know ... | 11:49 |
| seb128 | in this case the pot is a cdbs bug in some way | 11:49 |
| seb128 | we automatically update templates but don't clean those | 11:50 |
| seb128 | the thing is that it's not easy to know if the template was there in the source or not after build | 11:50 |
| asac | seb128: ok. and .eplug? | 11:50 |
| seb128 | that seems to be a make clean upstream bug | 11:50 |
| asac | seb128: yeah. actually my solution to this is: dont use tarballs from upstream, but bzr/svn checkouts | 11:50 |
| asac | those have no generated files and then run autotools in rules | 11:50 |
| asac | and you can remove everything on clean | 11:51 |
| mpt | davmor2, perhaps we should reintroduce System Tools, because it would be a better home for things like Terminal, Passwords and Encryption Keys, Disk Usage Analyzer, etc. That doesn't mean CD burning should go there, though. | 11:51 |
| asac | seb128: but well ... i dont even know if my packages are up to that level ;) | 11:51 |
| asac | for mozilla we went back to embedded-tarball layout which is always clean ;) | 11:51 |
| davmor2 | mpt: I don't mind one way or the other it just seems strange to have a whole menu item for one item | 11:52 |
| mpt | sure | 11:52 |
| mpt | Accessories would make more sense | 11:52 |
| seb128 | would be confusing to have brasero in video and sound and accessories | 11:52 |
| seb128 | one opening the gui and one opening the burn location | 11:52 |
| seb128 | I think the old way was better | 11:53 |
| seb128 | the applications entry opening the gui | 11:53 |
| seb128 | and the places item opening the location | 11:53 |
| mpt | Well, the problem with the old way was that a CD that might not even have been made at the factory yet isn't really a "place" | 11:55 |
| mpt | It makes sense for a real inserted blank CD to go there, but not so much for a hypothetical CD | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you still have the gnome-screensaver issue? I really can't reproduce it in my virtualbox :/ | 11:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks: yes | 12:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks: how did you try? | 12:00 |
| seb128 | I can get it easily with my test user in Xephyr too | 12:01 |
| seb128 | just start Xephyr with the current jaunty version | 12:01 |
| seb128 | dpkg -i new-deb | 12:01 |
| seb128 | lock screen | 12:01 |
| seb128 | and you can't unlock, you have a flicking screen | 12:01 |
| seb128 | and no password prompt displayed | 12:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: simly activate "lock the screen when screensaver is on" and wait for it to appears. Then, moving the mouse and unlocking it with my password | 12:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will try with Xephyr | 12:01 |
| seb128 | I don't wait for it I just lock manually | 12:02 |
| davmor2 | mpt: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.brasero talks about gnome decision | 12:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: maybe different behavior? I don't lock it manually because of bad behavior in my virtualbox with [Super] key | 12:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'll test tonight and tell you. | 12:03 |
| seb128 | there is a menu item to lock it or you can run gnome-screensaver-command --lock | 12:03 |
| mpt | "Although previous versions of GNOME already had an easy way to burn CDs and DVDs, as of GNOME 2.26 we have successfully brought an end to this." | 12:03 |
| mpt | (kidding, kidding) | 12:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, will check that | 12:03 |
| didrocks | mpt: ;) | 12:04 |
| asac | calc: can you please clarify on ooo bug 100478 that we will provide more info later? | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 100478 in silva "Images in tables lose their title and the url" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100478 | 12:05 |
| asac | seb128: pedro_: for the pixel bugs please dont forward them just now ;). i will take care of that in a batch tomorrow or later tonight. | 12:07 |
| seb128 | asac: ok | 12:07 |
| asac | well. you can forward them. just wanted to say that i will forward them anyway ;) | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_: hey | 12:07 |
| pedro_ | asac: roger that | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_: do you use firefox or epiphany? | 12:07 |
| asac | you should use chromium-daily ;) | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_: do you know what is required to get the greasemonkey thing working in firefox | 12:07 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa ;) | 12:08 |
| pedro_ | seb128: bonjour, I'm using firefox, my extensions are broken on epiphany and there's no debugging for those there :-/ | 12:08 |
| seb128 | pedro_: how broken? | 12:08 |
| pedro_ | seb128: mm nothing else than firefox-greasemonkey IIRC | 12:08 |
| asac | is there any problem with ffox grease? | 12:09 |
| pedro_ | seb128: doesn't load at all, talked to one of the epiphany folks and told me "well... that's going to be solve in webkit, wait for that." | 12:09 |
| seb128 | asac: we were trying to get the stock reply thing working for robet but it just doesn't display anything | 12:09 |
| pedro_ | i mean the scripts i have doesn't work, like the stock replies for example | 12:10 |
| seb128 | pedro_: weird that's working for me in jaunty | 12:10 |
| seb128 | ah right that one doesn't work for me either | 12:10 |
| seb128 | I'm using a simplified version where you can't edit things in the browser | 12:10 |
| seb128 | anyway | 12:10 |
| seb128 | the "official" version just doesn't work there | 12:10 |
| seb128 | it doesn't display anything | 12:10 |
| pedro_ | it used to work fine until some months, but something changed on lp and now they doesn't work | 12:10 |
| seb128 | no [+] button | 12:10 |
| asac | seb128: it doesnt work in ffox or ephy? | 12:11 |
| asac | i used stock reply a while back with ffox greasem | 12:11 |
| seb128 | asac: firefox | 12:11 |
| seb128 | asac: I installed firefox-greasemonkey and the lp script | 12:12 |
| seb128 | restarted firefox | 12:12 |
| seb128 | go to a bug page | 12:12 |
| seb128 | the greasemonkey icon is displayed in the corner | 12:12 |
| seb128 | but there is nothing to be seen on the launchpad page | 12:12 |
| asac | seb128: how did you install the lp script? | 12:12 |
| seb128 | I clicked on it, there was a firefox dialog asking if I wanted to install it | 12:12 |
| asac | ah | 12:12 |
| asac | seb128: ok i guessits because you are on edge? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | what do you mean? | 12:13 |
| asac | seb128: greasemonkey scripts are registered for certain URLs/domains | 12:13 |
| seb128 | right | 12:13 |
| asac | could be that its not done for edge (though i doubt it) | 12:13 |
| seb128 | 5 36 // @include https://launchpad.net/* | 12:13 |
| seb128 | 6 1 // @include https://*.launchpad.net/* | 12:13 |
| seb128 | 7 36 // @include https://*.edge.launchpad.net/* | 12:13 |
| asac | let me install it ;) | 12:13 |
| seb128 | asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/annotate/head%3A/lp_stockreplies.user.js | 12:14 |
| seb128 | asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files rather | 12:14 |
| seb128 | asac: edge is listed, and the icon is displayed in the corner when I'm on a bug page as said | 12:14 |
| asac | seb128: if you right click on the monkey you can manage scripts | 12:15 |
| asac | there you should see if its properly registered for your site | 12:15 |
| seb128 | "*" for authorized pages | 12:15 |
| seb128 | that's all which is written there | 12:15 |
| seb128 | there is a "missing ; before statement" in the error console | 12:17 |
| seb128 | I've the feeling it's getting the wrong sourcecode | 12:17 |
| asac | the encoding looks kind of busted | 12:17 |
| seb128 | ie getting some special launchpad formatted page rather than the .js | 12:17 |
| asac | yeah | 12:17 |
| asac | rather check out the branch | 12:17 |
| asac | and see if that works better i guess | 12:17 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:18 |
| seb128 | clicking on the download columns work differently | 12:18 |
| seb128 | and seems better | 12:18 |
| seb128 | it lists launchpad urls etc | 12:18 |
| asac | yeah ;) | 12:18 |
| asac | seb128: so yeah. with download link i get stock replies now | 12:19 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:19 |
| asac | wow ooo bugzilla is even slower than bgo and launchpad together ;) | 12:46 |
| pedro_ | slower than bgo? that can't be true | 12:47 |
| asac | give it a try ;) ... requesting a new account took about 1 minute to load the page | 12:47 |
| asac | submitting comment seems to take almost 2 minutes ;) | 12:47 |
| asac | even loading a bug takes a minute ;) | 12:49 |
| asac | i guess i could faster run to the OOO office and print the bug ;) | 12:49 |
| pedro_ | lol | 12:49 |
| asac | oops ... the bug system now shows asac@openoffice.org as my email | 12:52 |
| asac | lol | 12:54 |
| asac | it really works ;) | 12:54 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 robert_ancell | 13:15 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: good morning | 13:16 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: welcome! | 13:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | welcome robert_ancell! | 13:17 |
| pedro_ | welcome robert_ancell ;-) | 13:17 |
| asac | calc: do we have OOO310m5? | 13:32 |
| dobey | pitti: ping | 13:37 |
| cassidy | seb128: Did lot of audio/video Empathy tests. Got a problem with Theora encoding which apparently has been fixed with latest version of farsight2 and telepathy-farsight. Could make sense to upgrade them if it's not to late | 13:37 |
| pitti | hey dobey, good morning | 13:38 |
| dobey | pitti: what do you mean by "use ' vs. ' consistently"? | 13:39 |
| pitti | dobey: your strings use mostly " (double quotes), but often also ' | 13:40 |
| pitti | that looks a bit weird | 13:40 |
| asac | calc: ok seems we have m15 ... which is higher i guess | 13:40 |
| dobey | oh | 13:40 |
| pitti | dobey: it's just cosmetical, don't worry too much | 13:40 |
| dobey | i thought you meant vs. versus versus or something :) | 13:40 |
| seb128 | cassidy: yes sure | 13:47 |
| dobey | pitti: fixed the issues in your review. thanks! | 14:05 |
| asac | calc: oh ... seems not its 300m15 we have and they referred to 310m5 | 14:23 |
| thewrath | i have a file i got from broadcom and i need help with it | 14:41 |
| thewrath | it coems with a makefile file | 14:41 |
| thewrath | and i have no idea how to use it | 14:41 |
| asac | thewrath: this is a developer channel. try #ubuntu | 14:44 |
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| calc | asac: looking at the bug | 14:52 |
| calc | asac: 310 will be in Karmic | 14:54 |
| asac | calc: so either its fixed or if its not completely fixed its probably the change i proposed in the bug | 14:59 |
| asac | calc: oh sorry. i already commented on the bug now ;) | 14:59 |
| calc | ok | 15:01 |
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| === ampelbein is now known as Ampelbein | ||
| calc | wow OOo bug tracker is really slow today | 15:33 |
| asac | calc: heh. i thought it was normal and felt really really sorry for you ;) | 15:37 |
| calc | well its never fast, but its exceptionally slow today, heh | 15:38 |
| calc | at first i thought it was my internet connection but i can go everywhere else quickly | 15:38 |
| asac | 13:46 < asac> wow ooo bugzilla is even slower than bgo and launchpad together ;) | 15:39 |
| asac | 16:33 < calc> wow OOo bug tracker is really slow today | 15:39 |
| asac | ;) | 15:39 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: what's your launchpad id? | 15:42 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: robert-ancell | 15:44 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 15:44 |
| rickspencer3 | that's intuitive :) | 15:44 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: so what happened to rickspencer1 and rickspencer2? | 15:45 |
| rickspencer3 | that's my grandpa and my dad | 15:45 |
| rickspencer3 | (my son is rickspencer4) | 15:45 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: Also intuitive! | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: I assume that seb128 has given you 50 or so GNOME packages to update today? | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | (and then left) | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 15:46 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: I think the exact number was 54, and he's in the pub right now... | 15:47 |
| * seb128 is away drinking cocktails while robert_ancell does the weekly updates | 15:47 | |
| pitti | I remember that nice bar 200 meters from the Milbank; try to find him there | 15:47 |
| seb128 | you can left a message after the biiiiip though | 15:47 |
| seb128 | left -> leave | 15:47 |
| pedro_ | hahaha | 15:47 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: and robert_ancell: are you guys going to get a drink on the boat after work? | 15:47 |
| pitti | or another theater show? | 15:48 |
| seb128 | not sure about the boat but we will find the pub this week without any doubt ;-) | 15:48 |
| * pitti enjoyed both Spamalot and Chicago a lot | 15:48 | |
| robert_ancell | not tonight... I've got so many people to meet in London this week | 15:48 |
| robert_ancell | (used to live in Cambridge) | 15:48 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: oh, so you keep changing hemispheres? | 15:48 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: Yeah, I have no hemispheric loyalty :) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | hey tedg | 16:16 |
| tedg | Hello seb128 | 16:16 |
| pitti | dobey: is there some magic in 'output = "".join(notices.readlines())' which I fail to see, or do you just want to say 'output = p.stdout.read()'? | 16:20 |
| pitti | dobey: oh, of course, removing \n, sorry | 16:21 |
| dobey | pitti: it makes it be a str instead of a list :) | 16:22 |
| pitti | dobey: it just looks weird why you remove line breaks | 16:23 |
| tedg | Isn't there a function in glib to get approximate times? I thought there was, but I can't find it now. | 16:23 |
| dobey | tedg: 'approximate'? relative to what? :) | 16:23 |
| tedg | dobey: 190 sec -> "about 3 minutes" | 16:24 |
| seb128 | tedg: let me know when you review those fusa changes having the translation fixes in beta would be nice | 16:24 |
| dobey | tedg: i don't think there is. i think there is only stuff for sizes... | 16:24 |
| dobey | pitti: maybe i don't need to do that. i don't know. i'm not a python hacker, and the behavior it has with reading from stdout seems odd to me | 16:25 |
| pitti | dobey: ah, ok; do you have a snippet how to use it? | 16:26 |
| pitti | I find it weird that adding "'check': check.check" to cmdclass just produces a "name 'check' is not defined" | 16:26 |
| dobey | pitti: the check command? | 16:26 |
| dobey | that is weird... | 16:27 |
| pitti | >>> from DistUtilsExtra.command import * | 16:27 |
| pitti | >>> build_i18n | 16:27 |
| pitti | <module 'DistUtilsExtra.command.build_i18n' from 'DistUtilsExtra/command/build_i18n.pyc'> | 16:27 |
| pitti | >>> check | 16:27 |
| pitti | Traceback (most recent call last): | 16:27 |
| pitti | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 16:27 |
| pitti | NameError: name 'check' is not defined | 16:27 |
| * pitti eyes at python-central | 16:27 | |
| pitti | WTF? | 16:27 |
| dobey | pitti: weird | 16:27 |
| dobey | pitti: you installed it? | 16:28 |
| pitti | yes | 16:28 |
| pitti | looking | 16:28 |
| dobey | weird | 16:28 |
| dobey | it works for me :) | 16:28 |
| pitti | intrepid? | 16:28 |
| dobey | yes | 16:28 |
| dobey | i haven't tried on jaunty | 16:28 |
| pitti | python 2.6 transition issue then, I figure | 16:28 |
| dobey | hmm, maybe | 16:28 |
| calc | pitti: i'll try looking at the nautilus bug some more later today, it seemed to happen every time for me though when i tested it inside vmware | 16:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: I cacn update libpangomm, if you wish, but I have to update libpango too as a b-d | 16:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks: new pango is in debian we will sync after beta | 16:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks: don't bother they will probably have pangomm updated by then too, they did glibmm and gtkmm already | 16:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: great, ok! I don't investigate further so :) | 16:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks: want to work on splitting gnome-games documentation? | 16:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: I first read gnome-games package (related to the discussion on devel ML) :) | 16:33 |
| didrocks | ok, no problem. I'll try to split the documentation :) | 16:34 |
| pitti | dobey: if you do this, does it work? python -c 'from DistUtilsExtra.command import *; print check' | 16:34 |
| dobey | pitti: hrmm, no | 16:35 |
| dobey | pitti: if i 'import check' instead of '*' it works | 16:36 |
| pitti | right | 16:37 |
| dobey | pitti: i guess having the egg from the package breaks glob imports? | 16:37 |
| dobey | ie /usr/share/pyshared/python_distutils_extra-0.90.egg-info | 16:38 |
| pitti | dobey: I already added it to entry_points | 16:38 |
| dobey | oh, hrmm | 16:45 |
| dobey | weird | 16:46 |
| pitti | dobey: hmm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/136132/ | 16:49 |
| dobey | hrmm | 16:50 |
| dobey | pitti: just pushed a change that should fix that :) | 16:51 |
| pitti | dobey: if you are at it, can you please also drop the "import re"? | 16:52 |
| dobey | done | 16:53 |
| pitti | dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/136135/ as well, please? | 16:54 |
| seb128 | the new duplicate marking on edge rocks ;-) | 16:54 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, using ajax now? | 16:54 |
| dobey | ah right | 16:54 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, no extra page loading \o/ | 16:55 |
| seb128 | it's fast and nice looking | 16:55 |
| dobey | pitti: pushed | 16:55 |
| pitti | dobey: thanks | 16:55 |
| pitti | dobey: next iteration: http://paste.ubuntu.com/136139/ | 16:59 |
| dobey | hrmm | 17:00 |
| dobey | pitti: fix pushed | 17:08 |
| pitti | dobey: you rock | 17:08 |
| dobey | thanks :) | 17:09 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, just tried it; looks a bit weird, though | 17:15 |
| pitti | seb128: I'd expect something like changing the title | 17:15 |
| pitti | dobey: works now on jockey \o/ | 17:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: bug #347227 can you look to the current comment and tell me what is the right component for such bugs? | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347227 in nautilus "USB flash drive won't mount." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347227 | 17:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: hum don't bother | 17:16 |
| seb128 | sda1 is the wrong drive there | 17:17 |
| pitti | dobey: merged | 17:19 |
| pitti | dobey: I'll upload it to Debian and sync to jaunty after the beta freeze | 17:19 |
| pitti | dobey: so we have a few more days to pull fixes from your branch | 17:19 |
| pitti | seb128: will look after dinner | 17:20 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, ok | 17:20 |
| dobey | pitti: awesome! | 17:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: enjoy your dinner! | 17:20 |
| pitti | seb128: now they need the same non-page load for "subscribe" | 17:21 |
| seb128 | yeah | 17:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: I really can't reproduce the gnome-screensaver bug in my jaunty box. Even in locking manually the screen | 17:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks: lucky you | 17:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's really strange, and so, hard to fix :/ | 17:41 |
| seb128 | let me try on my laptop | 17:41 |
| seb128 | what versions did you try? | 17:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: the one I packaged, ie 2.26.0 | 17:41 |
| seb128 | and the version you were running before upgrade? | 17:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: my jaunty was up-to-date, so, I think 2.24.0-0ubuntu5 | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks: same issue on my laptop | 17:52 |
| seb128 | dunno how you tested | 17:52 |
| seb128 | I did test on real harware and xephyr on 2 different boxes now with different video cards ati and intel and same issue | 17:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: I just tested with the vesa driver on my virtualbox… | 17:54 |
| seb128 | ok, that how I do it | 17:54 |
| seb128 | add a test user to your install | 17:54 |
| seb128 | Xephyr :1 with your normal user | 17:54 |
| seb128 | su testuser | 17:54 |
| seb128 | DISPLAY=:1 dbus-launch gnome-session | 17:55 |
| seb128 | go to the xephyr, lock the screen | 17:55 |
| seb128 | verify you can unlock | 17:55 |
| seb128 | sudo dpkg -i gnome-screensaver-update | 17:55 |
| didrocks | ok, let me test that | 17:55 |
| seb128 | lock again | 17:55 |
| seb128 | try to unlock | 17:55 |
| didrocks | oki | 17:55 |
| walters | seb128: why not just use fast user switching? | 17:58 |
| seb128 | walters: because it's faster this way than doing VT switches | 18:01 |
| seb128 | walters: and xorg tends to crash after some VT switches there | 18:01 |
| walters | ah, "X bugs" | 18:02 |
| seb128 | yeah ... | 18:02 |
| walters | or could be kernel i guess | 18:03 |
| seb128 | in any case xephyr is faster and doesn't crash my box ;-) | 18:05 |
| walters | hm, too bad that gdmflexiserver --xnest stopped working | 18:05 |
| walters | that used to be the one-liner for what you're doing with Xephyr | 18:05 |
| seb128 | in fact it's still working in ubuntu if you don't run the new gdm for testing ;-) | 18:06 |
| seb128 | we still have the old gdm by default | 18:06 |
| seb128 | I didn't found how to start a non GNOME session using the new gdm the other day | 18:06 |
| walters | the sessions chooser should be in the bottom middle | 18:08 |
| walters | after selecting a user | 18:08 |
| seb128 | I had only keyboard and language there | 18:08 |
| seb128 | maybe I don't have .desktop for other session installed or something | 18:09 |
| walters | yeah, possible | 18:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: you're right, it's flickering just after the upgrade. If you relaunch a new X session just after, there is no more issue… | 18:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks: what did you change since before? | 18:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: I had to restart my session because of VB additions | 18:23 |
| seb128 | lol | 18:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: so, I was not testing the upgrade, but just a stable version (gnome-screensaver 2.26 with 2.26, not 2.24 with 2.26 commands) | 18:24 |
| seb128 | right | 18:24 |
| seb128 | that obviously works ;-) | 18:24 |
| didrocks | … we never know ^^ | 18:24 |
| didrocks | so, what can we do? enforce reloading? | 18:24 |
| seb128 | "enforce reloading"? | 18:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: try in postinsts to shutdown gnome-screensaver daemon (it's a daemon, right?) and load 2.26 one | 18:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks: what if user locked their screen before going for coffee which the machine upgrades? | 18:27 |
| seb128 | which -> while | 18:27 |
| didrocks | never take a coffee during dist-ugprading your machine, you should look at your logs :) | 18:28 |
| didrocks | kidding, more seriously, that's a bad issue :/ | 18:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I opened http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576463 about the issue | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 576463 in dialog "can't unlock screen after upgrade until restarting gnome-screensaver" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 18:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok. I will subscribe to it to follow what happens | 18:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks: cool, you are welcome to debug the issue too if you want ;-) | 18:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will try to give a look tomorrow (and to do the gnome-games doc split tomorrow as well) | 18:41 |
| didrocks | having my dinner now, bbl :) | 18:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks: enjoy! | 18:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks ;) | 18:41 |
| salty-horse | hi chrisccoulson | 18:54 |
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| salty-horse | any main sponsor around? | 19:26 |
| seb128 | yes but main is frozen for beta this week | 19:27 |
| salty-horse | grr.. anyhoo: | 19:27 |
| salty-horse | this bug is really annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/332624 | 19:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 332624 in metacity "Inconsistencies when windows change their icon" [Low,Confirmed] | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | I already fixed it in trunk | 19:28 |
| seb128 | use compiz? | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | and I'd really like it to get pushed | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | no. it's not a compiz bug | 19:28 |
| seb128 | right, that's why I said "use compiz" ;-) | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | I also commented on its other bug manifestation | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | (which you commented in) | 19:28 |
| seb128 | that doesn't seem worth a beta freeze break | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/342888 | 19:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 342888 in metacity "Panel no longer changes window struts when resized" [Low,Triaged] | 19:28 |
| salty-horse | I think it causes many usability problems, if it's worth anything | 19:29 |
| seb128 | right, and usability issues will be fixed for jaunty | 19:29 |
| seb128 | that's not a beta blocker | 19:30 |
| seb128 | it's only an annoyance and for some users | 19:30 |
| salty-horse | what does that mean? when can it next be applied? | 19:30 |
| seb128 | next week after the beta freeze I expect | 19:30 |
| salty-horse | I think it causes many other icon-related problems as well.. for example when opening open office documents | 19:30 |
| salty-horse | ok | 19:30 |
| seb128 | there is still several weeks before jaunty stable | 19:30 |
| salty-horse | should I remind anyone about it? | 19:30 |
| seb128 | no | 19:30 |
| seb128 | jaunty will get GNOME 2.26.1 anyway | 19:31 |
| seb128 | so it will get the fixes from svn when new tarballs are rolled | 19:31 |
| salty-horse | but it was only fixed in metacity 2.27 | 19:31 |
| salty-horse | (not backported, sadly) | 19:31 |
| seb128 | why didn't they backport it? | 19:31 |
| seb128 | they might have a reason and that would be good to know before rushing in jaunty | 19:31 |
| salty-horse | good question. I'll prod the person in charge | 19:31 |
| seb128 | cool | 19:32 |
| salty-horse | I'll also ask the developer to chime in on the safety of applying it | 19:32 |
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| dobey | pitti: did you write build_icons.py? | 20:15 |
| seb128 | dobey: he's away for the evening | 20:16 |
| seb128 | dobey: he will probably reply tomorrow morning though ;-) | 20:17 |
| dobey | that's fine | 20:17 |
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| dobey | hrmm, i might just write a better build_icons and stick it icontool instead | 20:19 |
| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| didrocks | seb128: I had little time just to split in a doc package. (bug #347526). You will be able to sponsor it once beta freeze ended. I added a replace tag, IIRC, it is mandatory if gnome-games-data is unpacked after new gnome-games-doc (files in 2 packages), right? | 20:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347526 in gnome-games "Please, split documentation in a -doc package" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347526 | 20:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks: hum, we didn't understand each other, I was suggesting splitting by locale as it's done for some other things | 20:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks: so the language-pack can depends on the -locale binary | 20:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh. right, we didn't understand each other :) | 20:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you have some example to show? | 20:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks: evolution | 20:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks: gimp | 20:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I will give them a look to see how this is done | 20:26 |
| didrocks | I invalidate the bug, though | 20:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks: it's basically listing a binary-documentation-locale for each locale in the control | 20:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks: and having corresponding .installs | 20:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: are there tools for building that automatically (taken into account the number of locales…) | 20:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I don't think so | 20:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you can try asking asomething maybe when he's around he did the evolution one | 20:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will be interessed when he will be around yes. I'm currently downloading the gimp | 20:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: is it tdeb related? | 20:29 |
| seb128 | I've no clue about tdeb but I don't think so | 20:32 |
| seb128 | it's just about having shipping extra translations on the CD right now ;-) | 20:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok. I understand better the goal (I see nothing for the gimp in debian/control, look at evolution right now) | 20:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks: they might use scripting in the rules or something | 20:34 |
| didrocks | ok, there is something in debian/control in evolution | 20:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's additionnal .install file in evolution, as you suggested | 20:34 |
| seb128 | yeah, I know how the evolution split has been made I did sponsor the upload | 20:35 |
| seb128 | that's boring work but should allow to get french translations back on the amd64 desktop cd | 20:35 |
| seb128 | so that's worth some efforts ;-) | 20:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: exactly, with that, hopefully, one day, no more need for building an ubuntu-fr CD \o/ | 20:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks: we have french back on the jaunty i386 iso right now | 20:36 |
| didrocks | people are really afraid for having some apps in English in the live-cd | 20:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you still have some extra customization for example etc I think no? | 20:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: all softwares? | 20:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks: yes, language packs are on the CD | 20:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: not right now, it's planned | 20:36 |
| didrocks | great :) | 20:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks: but not the documentation and spell checkers, etc | 20:36 |
| didrocks | hum, we just have extra subtitles and documentations in ~/examples/ | 20:37 |
| didrocks | well, will see if this extra work for ubuntu-fr is still needed :) | 20:37 |
| seb128 | I guess the most important part was to get the language packs on the CD | 20:38 |
| seb128 | otherwise everything is in english | 20:38 |
| didrocks | right | 20:38 |
| didrocks | that's very good | 20:38 |
| seb128 | for a demo CD and installer having translations in UIs is enough | 20:38 |
| seb128 | you don't need spellchecking etc there | 20:38 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems the good way :) but which applications were dropped off the CD? | 20:38 |
| seb128 | ok anyway it's time to go out and get some diner for me | 20:38 |
| didrocks | yes, you should ;) enjoy! | 20:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks: not real dropping of the CD why? | 20:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: for the extra space that was needed on the CD to get langagepack back on it | 20:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks: the documentation split for evolution won enough to get some language packs back on the CD | 20:39 |
| didrocks | oki | 20:39 |
| seb128 | and we did some cleaning too | 20:40 |
| seb128 | I might get libgnomeprint* dropped from the CD too for jaunyt | 20:40 |
| didrocks | great, I will do gnome-games tomorrow | 20:40 |
| seb128 | jaunty | 20:40 |
| didrocks | libgnomeprint is deprecated? | 20:40 |
| seb128 | they are just there because of gnome-python-desktop and gnome-games | 20:40 |
| seb128 | gnome-games is fixed in svn | 20:40 |
| seb128 | and we can split the python binding | 20:40 |
| seb128 | yes for some years by gtkprint in GTK | 20:40 |
| didrocks | ok, if I can give an hand for the split… | 20:41 |
| seb128 | I will let you know but it should be easy | 20:42 |
| seb128 | I grepped through the rdepends of python-gnome2-desktop today | 20:42 |
| seb128 | and there is only gnome-games to fix (and the change is in svn) apparently | 20:42 |
| didrocks | cool! | 20:42 |
| seb128 | so it's just a matter of adding a gnome-python2-gnomeprint binary | 20:43 |
| seb128 | and that will drop out of the CD with libgnomeprint* | 20:43 |
| seb128 | but for now let's get dinner, bbl! | 20:43 |
| didrocks | yeah, grab your dinner first :) | 20:43 |
| didrocks | enjoy! | 20:43 |
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| * dobey needs some distutils help | 21:16 | |
| Ampelbein | dobey: just ask | 21:29 |
| dobey | Ampelbein: i figured it out :) | 21:32 |
| dobey | me being stupid | 21:32 |
| Ampelbein | dobey: that's ok then. (that you figured it out, not you being stupid ;-) | 21:32 |
| dobey | heh | 21:37 |
| dobey | i was calling cmd.cmd() instead of cmd.cmd.run() | 21:37 |
| Ampelbein | silly me. note to self: closing the terminal where you started metacity from is a bad idea. | 22:39 |
| dobey | heh | 22:49 |
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