=== Ampelbein is now known as ampelbein === ampelbein is now known as Ampelbein === Ampelbein is now known as ampelbein [06:36] Good morning [07:31] morning pitti o/ === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb [08:58] hello [08:59] hi seb128 [09:07] hey seb128 & asac [09:07] robert_ancell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games [09:07] hey seb128, good morning [09:07] good morning didrocks and asac :) [09:07] hi mvo didrocks ;) [09:07] hi mvo ;) [09:10] lut didrocks [09:10] hey asac mvo [09:11] everybody welcomes robert_ancell he's joining Canonical today to work on GNOME [09:11] ie packaging, bugs fixing, etc ;-) [09:12] congrats robert_ancell \o/ [09:12] Hi all! [09:13] hey robert_ancell, welcome! [09:17] welcome robert_ancell! [09:17] * asac hugs robert_ancell [09:18] robert_ancell: where are you based? [09:21] asac, sydney, australia [09:21] cool! welcome [09:22] any clue if behdad (pango) lurks on any IRC channels? [09:23] robert_ancell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files [09:23] asac: #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org, #cairo here [09:24] seb128: is behdad his nick? [09:24] asac: yes [09:25] welcome robert_ancell [09:25] cool thanks. [09:25] you're welcome [09:25] hi james_w [09:25] hey asac [09:26] sorry for not helping you out, but you could check my /away or canonical admin to find out if I am working before complaining that I don't respond :-) [09:26] I haven't seen a bug report about your issue yet, is there one buried in my bug mail folder? [09:26] robert_ancell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-February/001305.html has some hint about using common stock replies [09:29] hello [09:29] * crevette just reach 5000 points \./ [09:30] hello seb128 didrocks asac and everybody [09:30] salut crevette [09:30] hi james_w [09:31] am I known to be french ? [09:31] :) [09:31] crevette: to what? [09:34] james_w: i complained? .... didnt mean it that way ;) [09:35] seb128, hey, sorry I didn't get you. [09:35] james_w: really. i more felt a bit like "too much complaining" ;) [09:35] asac: sorry, complaining was a strong word [09:35] asac: I'm back now though, so feel free to complain some more ;-) [09:36] james_w: good :) [09:37] i will come up with a clean list of the issues i am currently seeing [09:37] thanks [09:40] plop crevette [09:40] hey didrocks === agateau_ is now known as agateau [09:45] hey chrisccoulson [09:46] hello [09:46] is someone here who works on FUSA? [09:47] hi seb128 [09:48] c_korn: hey, ted do, we have read your email on the list but that was during the weekend no need to be impatient about it ;-) [09:50] I am not that impatient :P [09:50] just got an email that a guy called bruce69 might hang around here and works on FUSA [09:50] jaunty is frozen for beta this week [09:51] c_korn: you got a reply from ted on the list [09:54] right, so do I have to open a FFe? because my patch adds the feature to disable those logout/restart/shutdown confirmation dialogs [09:54] no [09:54] that's an easy option and not in the UI [09:55] I'm not sure that's a good idea though [09:55] it is in the UI. I added an option in the settings dialog [09:55] it is annoying for me to be asked twice. [09:55] but I saw the feature was requested [09:56] so it is enabled by default but can be disabled in settings [09:56] you are not asked twice [09:56] I doubt the UI option will be accepted, that should just be a gconf key [09:56] you select the item are asked once and it does the action [09:57] robert_ancell: bug #347089 is a nice one ;-) [09:57] Launchpad bug 347089 in gcalctool "no warning before attempting insane calculations" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347089 [09:59] well, as the default is to show the confirmations maybe it will be accepted. [10:00] but won't hurt if it has to be a gconf key only, anyway [10:00] then maybe ubuntu-tweak author wants to add it or so. I just want any option to disable the confirmations. [10:03] as said I'm not sure that's a good idea, it's a disruptive action [10:03] and having most install showing a confirmation and some none can trick users to be less careful and destroy work because they use a tweaked config [10:05] I get your point. I will just wait what ted says. [10:27] is there anything to do to get the stock replies greasemonkey working in firefox? [10:30] robert_ancell: hey! welcome to Ubuntu! [10:30] * pitti gives robert_ancell a big hug [10:30] pitti: Hi! [10:31] robert_ancell: how's London? survived the long flight? [10:31] pitti: Yeah, I'm here physically - my mind might take another day or so to arrive though :) [10:33] robert_ancell: enjoy the week (although it'll probably become pretty intense0 [10:33] pitti: It's already intense enough meeting everyone - so many names to remember... [10:35] robert_ancell: don't worry; if it's any consolation, I have been working for C for 5 years now, and don't know half of the company :) [10:35] robert_ancell: mostly because new people come in faster than I can remember them, and we are too large and distributed now [10:36] pitti: Yeah, I hadn't realised it had grown by quite so much over the last few years. Good that it has though! [10:36] seb128, I didn't look but I guess you have greasemonkey installed ? [10:37] crevette: firefox-greasemonkey yes [10:37] IIRC you need to right click on the script that must be called *user.js and choose "install" [10:37] but I didn't played with greasemonkey for a while [10:38] * crevette installs greasemonkey to see [10:38] I've installed it [10:39] the greasemonkey icon is showed in the corner [10:39] there is just no + button to add replies anywhere to be seen [10:42] * crevette doesn't find neither how it works [11:28] seb128: which gtkhtml3 source should i use to track the px regression? [11:28] 3.8? [11:28] asac: the current one [11:28] hehe [11:28] yeah [11:28] gtkhtml3.14 [11:28] ok let me check [11:28] darn ... why didnt launchpad suggest that :(/ [11:29] seb128: aye ... it was at the top of course ;) [11:44] seb128, pitti: Just a quick query which you guys will almost certainly be able to answer. Why do we have cd/dvd Creator in system? [11:44] upstream decision [11:44] eww [11:44] stuff keeps crawling into this [11:45] the change should maybe be reconsidered for jaunty [11:46] I'm not convinced it's right [11:46] we should get mpt's opinion on that ;-) [11:47] Well, Brasero doesn't really belong in any of the categories, does it [11:47] mpt: it's not brasero [11:47] no? [11:48] mpt: they have 2 menu entries now, one opening the brasero gui and one opening burn: in nautilus [11:48] I thought burn: had been deprecated? [11:48] brasero is in the video and sound category [11:48] or replaced by Brasero, or something [11:48] mpt: brasero is in sound and video and has been for a while this is the old nautilus cd/dvd /creator [11:48] mpt: no, nautilus-cd-burner has been [11:48] mpt: brasero implements burn: now [11:48] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/135972/ -> thats what i mean by "unclean" ;) ... clean: doesnt remove all cruft [11:48] I see [11:49] asac: ah, yeah, clean target are often buggy [11:49] i know ... [11:49] in this case the pot is a cdbs bug in some way [11:50] we automatically update templates but don't clean those [11:50] the thing is that it's not easy to know if the template was there in the source or not after build [11:50] seb128: ok. and .eplug? [11:50] that seems to be a make clean upstream bug [11:50] seb128: yeah. actually my solution to this is: dont use tarballs from upstream, but bzr/svn checkouts [11:50] those have no generated files and then run autotools in rules [11:51] and you can remove everything on clean [11:51] davmor2, perhaps we should reintroduce System Tools, because it would be a better home for things like Terminal, Passwords and Encryption Keys, Disk Usage Analyzer, etc. That doesn't mean CD burning should go there, though. [11:51] seb128: but well ... i dont even know if my packages are up to that level ;) [11:51] for mozilla we went back to embedded-tarball layout which is always clean ;) [11:52] mpt: I don't mind one way or the other it just seems strange to have a whole menu item for one item [11:52] sure [11:52] Accessories would make more sense [11:52] would be confusing to have brasero in video and sound and accessories [11:52] one opening the gui and one opening the burn location [11:53] I think the old way was better [11:53] the applications entry opening the gui [11:53] and the places item opening the location [11:55] Well, the problem with the old way was that a CD that might not even have been made at the factory yet isn't really a "place" [11:56] It makes sense for a real inserted blank CD to go there, but not so much for a hypothetical CD [11:56] ok [11:59] seb128: do you still have the gnome-screensaver issue? I really can't reproduce it in my virtualbox :/ [12:00] didrocks: yes [12:00] didrocks: how did you try? [12:01] I can get it easily with my test user in Xephyr too [12:01] just start Xephyr with the current jaunty version [12:01] dpkg -i new-deb [12:01] lock screen [12:01] and you can't unlock, you have a flicking screen [12:01] and no password prompt displayed [12:01] seb128: simly activate "lock the screen when screensaver is on" and wait for it to appears. Then, moving the mouse and unlocking it with my password [12:01] seb128: I will try with Xephyr [12:02] I don't wait for it I just lock manually [12:02] mpt: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.brasero talks about gnome decision [12:02] seb128: maybe different behavior? I don't lock it manually because of bad behavior in my virtualbox with [Super] key [12:03] seb128: I'll test tonight and tell you. [12:03] there is a menu item to lock it or you can run gnome-screensaver-command --lock [12:03] "Although previous versions of GNOME already had an easy way to burn CDs and DVDs, as of GNOME 2.26 we have successfully brought an end to this." [12:03] (kidding, kidding) [12:03] seb128: ok, will check that [12:04] mpt: ;) [12:05] calc: can you please clarify on ooo bug 100478 that we will provide more info later? [12:05] Launchpad bug 100478 in silva "Images in tables lose their title and the url" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100478 [12:07] seb128: pedro_: for the pixel bugs please dont forward them just now ;). i will take care of that in a batch tomorrow or later tonight. [12:07] asac: ok [12:07] well. you can forward them. just wanted to say that i will forward them anyway ;) [12:07] pedro_: hey [12:07] asac: roger that [12:07] pedro_: do you use firefox or epiphany? [12:07] you should use chromium-daily ;) [12:07] pedro_: do you know what is required to get the greasemonkey thing working in firefox [12:08] https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa ;) [12:08] seb128: bonjour, I'm using firefox, my extensions are broken on epiphany and there's no debugging for those there :-/ [12:08] pedro_: how broken? [12:08] seb128: mm nothing else than firefox-greasemonkey IIRC [12:09] is there any problem with ffox grease? [12:09] seb128: doesn't load at all, talked to one of the epiphany folks and told me "well... that's going to be solve in webkit, wait for that." [12:09] asac: we were trying to get the stock reply thing working for robet but it just doesn't display anything [12:10] i mean the scripts i have doesn't work, like the stock replies for example [12:10] pedro_: weird that's working for me in jaunty [12:10] ah right that one doesn't work for me either [12:10] I'm using a simplified version where you can't edit things in the browser [12:10] anyway [12:10] the "official" version just doesn't work there [12:10] it doesn't display anything [12:10] it used to work fine until some months, but something changed on lp and now they doesn't work [12:10] no [+] button [12:11] seb128: it doesnt work in ffox or ephy? [12:11] i used stock reply a while back with ffox greasem [12:11] asac: firefox [12:12] asac: I installed firefox-greasemonkey and the lp script [12:12] restarted firefox [12:12] go to a bug page [12:12] the greasemonkey icon is displayed in the corner [12:12] but there is nothing to be seen on the launchpad page [12:12] seb128: how did you install the lp script? [12:12] I clicked on it, there was a firefox dialog asking if I wanted to install it [12:12] ah [12:13] seb128: ok i guessits because you are on edge? [12:13] what do you mean? [12:13] seb128: greasemonkey scripts are registered for certain URLs/domains [12:13] right [12:13] could be that its not done for edge (though i doubt it) [12:13] 5 36 // @include https://launchpad.net/* [12:13] 6 1 // @include https://*.launchpad.net/* [12:13] 7 36 // @include https://*.edge.launchpad.net/* [12:13] let me install it ;) [12:14] asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/annotate/head%3A/lp_stockreplies.user.js [12:14] asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files rather [12:14] asac: edge is listed, and the icon is displayed in the corner when I'm on a bug page as said [12:15] seb128: if you right click on the monkey you can manage scripts [12:15] there you should see if its properly registered for your site [12:15] "*" for authorized pages [12:15] that's all which is written there [12:17] there is a "missing ; before statement" in the error console [12:17] I've the feeling it's getting the wrong sourcecode [12:17] the encoding looks kind of busted [12:17] ie getting some special launchpad formatted page rather than the .js [12:17] yeah [12:17] rather check out the branch [12:17] and see if that works better i guess [12:18] ok [12:18] clicking on the download columns work differently [12:18] and seems better [12:18] it lists launchpad urls etc [12:18] yeah ;) [12:19] seb128: so yeah. with download link i get stock replies now [12:19] thanks [12:46] wow ooo bugzilla is even slower than bgo and launchpad together ;) [12:47] slower than bgo? that can't be true [12:47] give it a try ;) ... requesting a new account took about 1 minute to load the page [12:47] submitting comment seems to take almost 2 minutes ;) [12:49] even loading a bug takes a minute ;) [12:49] i guess i could faster run to the OOO office and print the bug ;) [12:49] lol [12:52] oops ... the bug system now shows asac@openoffice.org as my email [12:54] lol [12:54] it really works ;) [13:15] hey rickspencer3 robert_ancell [13:16] rickspencer3: good morning [13:16] robert_ancell: welcome! [13:17] welcome robert_ancell! [13:17] welcome robert_ancell ;-) [13:32] calc: do we have OOO310m5? [13:37] pitti: ping [13:37] seb128: Did lot of audio/video Empathy tests. Got a problem with Theora encoding which apparently has been fixed with latest version of farsight2 and telepathy-farsight. Could make sense to upgrade them if it's not to late [13:38] hey dobey, good morning [13:39] pitti: what do you mean by "use ' vs. ' consistently"? [13:40] dobey: your strings use mostly " (double quotes), but often also ' [13:40] that looks a bit weird [13:40] calc: ok seems we have m15 ... which is higher i guess [13:40] oh [13:40] dobey: it's just cosmetical, don't worry too much [13:40] i thought you meant vs. versus versus or something :) [13:47] cassidy: yes sure [14:05] pitti: fixed the issues in your review. thanks! [14:23] calc: oh ... seems not its 300m15 we have and they referred to 310m5 [14:41] i have a file i got from broadcom and i need help with it [14:41] it coems with a makefile file [14:41] and i have no idea how to use it [14:44] thewrath: this is a developer channel. try #ubuntu === ampelbein is now known as Ampelbein [14:52] asac: looking at the bug [14:54] asac: 310 will be in Karmic [14:59] calc: so either its fixed or if its not completely fixed its probably the change i proposed in the bug [14:59] calc: oh sorry. i already commented on the bug now ;) [15:01] ok === Ampelbein is now known as ampelbein === ampelbein is now known as Ampelbein [15:33] wow OOo bug tracker is really slow today [15:37] calc: heh. i thought it was normal and felt really really sorry for you ;) [15:38] well its never fast, but its exceptionally slow today, heh [15:38] at first i thought it was my internet connection but i can go everywhere else quickly [15:39] 13:46 < asac> wow ooo bugzilla is even slower than bgo and launchpad together ;) [15:39] 16:33 < calc> wow OOo bug tracker is really slow today [15:39] ;) [15:42] robert_ancell: what's your launchpad id? [15:44] rickspencer3: robert-ancell [15:44] hmm [15:44] that's intuitive :) [15:45] rickspencer3: so what happened to rickspencer1 and rickspencer2? [15:45] that's my grandpa and my dad [15:45] (my son is rickspencer4) [15:46] rickspencer3: Also intuitive! [15:46] robert_ancell: I assume that seb128 has given you 50 or so GNOME packages to update today? [15:46] (and then left) [15:46] :) [15:47] rickspencer3: I think the exact number was 54, and he's in the pub right now... [15:47] * seb128 is away drinking cocktails while robert_ancell does the weekly updates [15:47] I remember that nice bar 200 meters from the Milbank; try to find him there [15:47] you can left a message after the biiiiip though [15:47] left -> leave [15:47] hahaha [15:47] seb128: and robert_ancell: are you guys going to get a drink on the boat after work? [15:48] or another theater show? [15:48] not sure about the boat but we will find the pub this week without any doubt ;-) [15:48] * pitti enjoyed both Spamalot and Chicago a lot [15:48] not tonight... I've got so many people to meet in London this week [15:48] (used to live in Cambridge) [15:48] robert_ancell: oh, so you keep changing hemispheres? [15:49] pitti: Yeah, I have no hemispheric loyalty :) [16:16] hey tedg [16:16] Hello seb128 [16:20] dobey: is there some magic in 'output = "".join(notices.readlines())' which I fail to see, or do you just want to say 'output = p.stdout.read()'? [16:21] dobey: oh, of course, removing \n, sorry [16:22] pitti: it makes it be a str instead of a list :) [16:23] dobey: it just looks weird why you remove line breaks [16:23] Isn't there a function in glib to get approximate times? I thought there was, but I can't find it now. [16:23] tedg: 'approximate'? relative to what? :) [16:24] dobey: 190 sec -> "about 3 minutes" [16:24] tedg: let me know when you review those fusa changes having the translation fixes in beta would be nice [16:24] tedg: i don't think there is. i think there is only stuff for sizes... [16:25] pitti: maybe i don't need to do that. i don't know. i'm not a python hacker, and the behavior it has with reading from stdout seems odd to me [16:26] dobey: ah, ok; do you have a snippet how to use it? [16:26] I find it weird that adding "'check': check.check" to cmdclass just produces a "name 'check' is not defined" [16:26] pitti: the check command? [16:27] that is weird... [16:27] >>> from DistUtilsExtra.command import * [16:27] >>> build_i18n [16:27] [16:27] >>> check [16:27] Traceback (most recent call last): [16:27] File "", line 1, in [16:27] NameError: name 'check' is not defined [16:27] * pitti eyes at python-central [16:27] WTF? [16:27] pitti: weird [16:28] pitti: you installed it? [16:28] yes [16:28] looking [16:28] weird [16:28] it works for me :) [16:28] intrepid? [16:28] yes [16:28] i haven't tried on jaunty [16:28] python 2.6 transition issue then, I figure [16:28] hmm, maybe [16:31] pitti: i'll try looking at the nautilus bug some more later today, it seemed to happen every time for me though when i tested it inside vmware [16:31] seb128: I cacn update libpangomm, if you wish, but I have to update libpango too as a b-d [16:32] didrocks: new pango is in debian we will sync after beta [16:32] didrocks: don't bother they will probably have pangomm updated by then too, they did glibmm and gtkmm already [16:32] seb128: great, ok! I don't investigate further so :) [16:33] didrocks: want to work on splitting gnome-games documentation? [16:33] seb128: I first read gnome-games package (related to the discussion on devel ML) :) [16:34] ok, no problem. I'll try to split the documentation :) [16:34] dobey: if you do this, does it work? python -c 'from DistUtilsExtra.command import *; print check' [16:35] pitti: hrmm, no [16:36] pitti: if i 'import check' instead of '*' it works [16:37] right [16:37] pitti: i guess having the egg from the package breaks glob imports? [16:38] ie /usr/share/pyshared/python_distutils_extra-0.90.egg-info [16:38] dobey: I already added it to entry_points [16:45] oh, hrmm [16:46] weird [16:49] dobey: hmm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/136132/ [16:50] hrmm [16:51] pitti: just pushed a change that should fix that :) [16:52] dobey: if you are at it, can you please also drop the "import re"? [16:53] done [16:54] dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/136135/ as well, please? [16:54] the new duplicate marking on edge rocks ;-) [16:54] seb128: oh, using ajax now? [16:54] ah right [16:55] pitti: yes, no extra page loading \o/ [16:55] it's fast and nice looking [16:55] pitti: pushed [16:55] dobey: thanks [16:59] dobey: next iteration: http://paste.ubuntu.com/136139/ [17:00] hrmm [17:08] pitti: fix pushed [17:08] dobey: you rock [17:09] thanks :) [17:15] seb128: ah, just tried it; looks a bit weird, though [17:15] seb128: I'd expect something like changing the title [17:15] dobey: works now on jockey \o/ [17:16] pitti: bug #347227 can you look to the current comment and tell me what is the right component for such bugs? [17:16] Launchpad bug 347227 in nautilus "USB flash drive won't mount." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347227 [17:16] pitti: hum don't bother [17:17] sda1 is the wrong drive there [17:19] dobey: merged [17:19] dobey: I'll upload it to Debian and sync to jaunty after the beta freeze [17:19] dobey: so we have a few more days to pull fixes from your branch [17:20] seb128: will look after dinner [17:20] seb128: oh, ok [17:20] pitti: awesome! [17:20] pitti: enjoy your dinner! [17:21] seb128: now they need the same non-page load for "subscribe" [17:21] yeah [17:40] seb128: I really can't reproduce the gnome-screensaver bug in my jaunty box. Even in locking manually the screen [17:40] didrocks: lucky you [17:41] seb128: that's really strange, and so, hard to fix :/ [17:41] let me try on my laptop [17:41] what versions did you try? [17:41] seb128: the one I packaged, ie 2.26.0 [17:42] and the version you were running before upgrade? [17:43] seb128: my jaunty was up-to-date, so, I think 2.24.0-0ubuntu5 [17:44]