[01:28] <fta> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/03/17/google-chrome-on-linux-progressing-screenshots-inside/
[01:28] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/21152/Google_Chrome_for_Linux_On_Its_Way_Take_It_for_a_Spin
[09:25] <gnomefreak> @whoami
[09:26] <gnomefreak> ubottu: thanks
[09:33] <BUGabundo> asac: fta I can confirm that downgrading NM will make 3G dongles be seen!
[09:34] <BUGabundo> I still get hit by the suspend/resume/won't connect bug, but from fresh start it will work!
[09:34] <BUGabundo> #REGRESSION
[09:38] <gnomefreak> not really regression, its just buggy,most likely becuase upstream changed the way it works?
[09:38] <asac> BUGabundo: right. please just upgrade. boot your system; plug in your device; wait a bit; open bug with device type in title and attach your syslog as well as lshal
[09:38] <asac> gnomefreak: its a regression as his thing was previously detected
[09:38] <gnomefreak> asac: ah
[09:39] <BUGabundo> asac: I can only do it now on wendsday
[09:39] <BUGabundo> maybe fta can do it sooner!
[09:39] <BUGabundo> upgrading now to current NM
[09:41] <gnomefreak> asac: "hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/ mozilla" once i do this how do i extract the package i need and than i guess i have to tar it back up?
[09:42] <asac> BUGabundo: does fta have the same device? having syslogs and lsusb/lshal output for different devices might be helpful
[09:43] <BUGabundo> okay
[09:43] <BUGabundo> will file a bug with mine then
[09:43] <BUGabundo> and 2 other dongles, if I get my hands on them
[09:44] <BUGabundo> just syslog and ls* ?
[09:46] <BUGabundo> asac: and file against NM ?
[09:48] <asac> BUGabundo: yes.
[09:49] <asac> BUGabundo: check if there is already a bug open for your device
[09:49] <asac> bug 346835
[09:49] <asac> bug 346268
[09:49] <asac> you can also use the [regression] in title thing
[09:55] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:06] <gnomefreak> where are sound files(default) located?
[10:07] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: how can I show the guys on #ubuntu-ops I'm being honest?
[10:07] <BUGabundo> they seem to think I'm trying to fool them... when I've been hosnest the all time
[10:07]  * BUGabundo personally I can't lie, or even try it!
[10:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i already did but he is stuck on keeping it for today i will check back with him when i have a few moments
[10:10] <gnomefreak> suprisingly that was the first think i did on join since it was beings dicussed
[10:11] <BUGabundo> he is just mad... don't know why
[10:11] <BUGabundo> and the other guys are with him
[10:12] <BUGabundo> since they don't know me, but do know him
[10:12] <BUGabundo> bad luck for me
[10:12] <BUGabundo> obbeyed the 48h ban and still get extra 48
[10:12] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. try to work on your IRC communication styles ;)
[10:12] <BUGabundo> looks like it's a permanent +48h ban on me
[10:12] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: what chat client?
[10:12] <BUGabundo> asac: I'm just bad
[10:12] <BUGabundo> irc,im, email, foruns
[10:13] <BUGabundo> the more I try, the worse it comes out
[10:13] <asac> BUGabundo: thats reason to work on it ;)
[10:13] <BUGabundo> gyess lost in translation
[10:13] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: pidgin
[10:13] <asac> BUGabundo: one rule: before hitting enter: think again ;)
[10:13] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:13] <BUGabundo> nice rule
[10:13] <BUGabundo> brb
[10:13] <BUGabundo> work calls
[10:13] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[10:13] <asac> also when you feel kind of emotional attached it usually means that your language might be suboptimal ;)
[10:13] <BUGabundo> just come in to alert about NM and get the ban removed
[10:13] <asac> so be double careful
[10:13] <BUGabundo> 1 out of 2
[10:13] <BUGabundo> not bad
[10:13] <asac> especially because on IRC you dont see the face of the other ;)
[10:14] <BUGabundo> asac: exactly
[10:14] <BUGabundo> already discussed that with amber the other day...
[10:14] <asac> also dont repeat things over and over again ;)
[10:14] <BUGabundo> I figured the "BUGabundo" and the real life me
[10:14] <BUGabundo> are two personas
[10:14] <BUGabundo> ME is emotional
[10:14] <BUGabundo> but BUGabundo takes over the keyboard when online
[10:15] <asac> ;)
[10:15] <BUGabundo> bbl
[10:15] <asac> cu
[10:35] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: give it 24 hours give or take, he is frustrated on the ban in total. he asked for my suggestion but the one i came up with is no good, how long did he say this time the ban would be for?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i started typing well before the bbl
[10:38] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: 48h
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ok if it fails to build and doesnt leave a frigging upstream dir
[10:39] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks it will be 24 hours if he accepts my offer
[10:39] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:39] <BUGabundo> thanks for the good word
[10:39] <gnomefreak> just i need time on that, im going to get pissed (just a feeling i have) i warned you just in caase it happens :)
[10:40] <BUGabundo> heh
[10:40] <BUGabundo> asac: do all Font HUGE apps need to be filed to don't get lost?
[10:40] <BUGabundo> stuff like UM, OOo, Nautilus, pidgin?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: np but stop with the non-support links and that should be good enough to get a trial time
[10:40] <BUGabundo> all I said was something along this lines:
[10:41] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and maybe making coffee while this POS fails to build :(
[10:41] <gnomefreak> continue
[10:41] <asac> BUGabundo: you can add them to the bug
[10:41] <BUGabundo> "we here at hacklaviva.net are setting up canantenas! anything new in jaunty I need to be aware, before send the all neiboarwoord down?"
[10:41] <asac> or rather say: "i see this on XYZ, here screeshot"
[10:41] <asac> i will add them then
[10:42] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ikonia didn't like the *we* and link
[10:42] <gnomefreak> np
[10:42] <gnomefreak> now brb
[10:42] <BUGabundo> its on the # log
[10:42] <BUGabundo> go smoke!
[10:42] <BUGabundo> asac: master bug link?
[10:43] <asac> 345189
[10:44] <BUGabundo> bug 345189
[10:48]  * gnomefreak wonders if g/f is still home and why :( her car my car and my 2 trucks are still in driveway maybe she went back to sleep
[10:50] <gnomefreak> email first than try to build now seamonkey hates me
[10:53] <gnomefreak> kill -9 5810 kill -9 5811  << they should work damnit
[10:59] <BUGabundo> hey network split
[11:03] <fta> a small one
[11:03] <fta> at least, as seen from here
[11:08] <gnomefreak> anyone on calvino.freenode.net was dumped maybe 1000+ users, not sure how many people it assigns to use that server
[11:08] <fta> BUGabundo, btw, my dongle is visible in nm, but it's unusable
[11:09] <gnomefreak> 45 just in -ops
[11:09] <fta> just saw 6 disappear from here
[11:09] <BUGabundo> fta I saw you go!
[11:09] <BUGabundo> so 'am on another network
[11:09] <fta> * BUGabundo has quit (barjavel.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
[11:09] <fta> * gnomefreak has quit (barjavel.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i did?
[11:10] <BUGabundo> (10:56:49 AM) fta left the room (quit: calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
[11:10] <BUGabundo> over 60 ppl from my count
[11:10] <fta> ~26 in -motu
[11:10] <BUGabundo> never mind
[11:10] <BUGabundo> we are back
[11:11] <gnomefreak> .:05:23:49:. ==> Your host is calvino.freenode.net[calvino.freenode.net/8001],  running version hyperion-1.0.2b
[11:11] <gnomefreak> i guess i was
[11:11] <fta> it was a small one anyway
[11:11] <fta> * - Welcome to barjavel.freenode.net in Paris, FR, EU.
[11:13] <gnomefreak> So, this is going to be an unpopular change, I think we need to make it clobber
[11:13] <gnomefreak> as well.
[11:13] <gnomefreak> that is always a good sign when upstream says that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> now i need to find the PGO bug in lp but i guess it can wait
[11:20] <gnomefreak> [reed]: is it likely that mozilla 418866 will get patched for 3.0.8? or is it not a security risk so maybe only 3.5/3.6 asac you either since you both know upstream
[11:20] <[reed]> not for 3.0.x, no
[11:21] <gnomefreak> ok didnt think so thanks
[11:29] <asac> even if mozilla does it for the all-in-one-firefox build it probabyl wont solve the xulrunner split problem
[11:29] <asac> at least not obviously
[11:34] <gnomefreak> asac: didnt we release a java plugin that works on 64bit procs?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> if so what is the name i cant find the free version at all thinking that was it
[11:36] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I think we didn't
[11:36] <BUGabundo> I'm still having to run the 32 bits for the browser applet
[11:37] <[reed]> yeah, ubuntu is going to need some special sauce for PGO
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bug 99352
[11:47] <asac> [reed]: so is it enabled for 3.1?
[11:47] <asac> err 3.5 ;)
[11:47] <asac> ?
[11:47] <asac> just so i know when we have to fix this ;)
[11:50] <BUGabundo> asac: I upstream it
[11:50] <BUGabundo> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100478
[11:50] <BUGabundo> please check text and bug descriptio
[11:51] <BUGabundo> Font bugs are not my thing
[11:52] <BUGabundo> ok so now Fonts DPI is all marked as WontFix
[11:52] <BUGabundo> will this be milestone for Koala
[11:52] <asac> BUGabundo: not all
[11:52] <BUGabundo> once it shows on LP?
[11:52] <[reed]> asac: no, but even if it was, ubuntu would need to do some special stuff to deal with xulrunner and firefox being separate
[11:52] <[reed]> as we discussed before
[11:52] <BUGabundo> libgnome is the expection
[11:52] <asac> BUGabundo: we wont fixed them for jaunty .... and kept libgnome part open ... which is the backout
[11:52] <asac> [reed]: yeah right. just wanted to know if there is kind of urgency to get this ready for 3.5
[11:53] <[reed]> I don't think it'll be ready for 3.5
[11:53] <BUGabundo> will this be milestone for Koala once it shows on LP?
[11:53] <asac> e.g. if you would start doing it i would certainly invest the time required to get it done somehow for xul
[11:53] <[reed]> I could talk to beltzner about making it a priority
[11:53] <[reed]> but we're pretty far along in the cycle
[11:53] <[reed]> just depends on how much work it would involve
[11:53] <[reed]> and PGO breaks stuff
[11:53] <asac> [reed]: please keep me in the loop in case this comes up again
[11:53] <asac> e.g. dont do it like after RC1 ;)
[11:53] <[reed]> yeah
[11:54] <asac> but well. we have almost one more cycle before 3.5 will be default
[11:54] <asac> so if you want to do that as a fast action we can do it aftwards here too
[11:54] <asac> assuming that 3.5 gets ever released ;)
[11:55] <[reed]> hehe
[11:57] <asac> i remember the talks about making "quick release cycles" and no need to get in features after beta because next release will be soon enough
[11:57] <asac> seems this was sacrificed ... i assume to some degree because of the new competition that made some new features necessary ;)
[11:58] <asac> but yeah. i think 3.5 is a big step again ... and even in quite short time still
[11:58] <asac> just get it out ;)
[12:02] <[reed]> yeah
[12:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:02] <[reed]> that's why it was renamed
[12:02] <BUGabundo> so will 3.5 be in by default?
[12:02] <[reed]> 3.1 grew too large
[12:03] <[reed]> so, it was renamed to 3.5 ;)
[12:03] <asac> [reed]: thats good. but dont take that as an excuse to wait longer ;)
[12:04] <asac> BUGabundo: can you please not forward bugs?
[12:04] <asac> at leat not the pixel size bug
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i cant find it at all. i thought icedtea in repos was at version 7
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: we have an amd64 java plugin
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: but dont ask me which
[12:05] <asac> i mean this java thing completely confuses me
[12:05] <gnomefreak> me too
[12:09] <BUGabundo> asac: eheh
[12:09] <BUGabundo> too late
[12:09] <BUGabundo> already did it
[12:09] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. i am just saying that you shouldnt
[12:09] <BUGabundo> me 3 (java)
[12:09] <asac> ;)
[12:09] <BUGabundo> asac: since we were talking about it on devel
[12:10] <BUGabundo> after page refresh I saw them all wontfix
[12:10] <asac> yes. but "font size to be a *fixed fraction of the screen size*"
[12:10] <BUGabundo> bad timing
[12:10] <asac> isnt really what we are talking about
[12:10] <asac> we are talking about something completely different for now
[12:10] <BUGabundo> grrr.... I copied a comment on the bug
[12:10] <asac> its ok now. i told calc to comment on the bug so ooo guys know that we will give more details and they dont need to start now
[12:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:11] <BUGabundo> that's better
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i closed the wrong damn terminal and my g-t stopped warning me that im closing it (any idea on how to add that back?)
[12:23] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure
[12:23] <BUGabundo> gt ?
[12:23] <asac> for me it annoys me to get asked
[12:23] <BUGabundo> ahh the warning
[12:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: gnome-terminal
[12:23] <BUGabundo> yes
[12:23] <asac> i think the removed that warning again
[12:23] <asac> which is great imo
[12:23] <BUGabundo> I got it a sec later
[12:23] <asac> maybe they could make that an option
[12:23] <BUGabundo> gconf ?
[12:23] <asac> but better not enabled if there is no choice for that
[12:23] <BUGabundo> or some reset option on the profile gnomefreak?
[12:24] <asac> BUGabundo: afaik. there is no option
[12:24] <asac> which made it annoying before
[12:48]  * gnomefreak running late now :( i have a meeting to go to and i should be back after it
[13:08] <BUGabundo> asac: I rather see 3G nm support fix the sustend / resume prob
[13:08] <BUGabundo> its there (with old nm) but NEVER connects
[13:09] <BUGabundo> I remember and enven older version would do it with manual /etc/init.d/NM restart
[13:09] <asac> we wont fix old nm
[13:09] <BUGabundo> no no
[13:09] <BUGabundo> not old NM,... just old version upate
[13:09] <BUGabundo> some old RC or something
[13:09] <asac> yes. still we wont get back to the rc you tried ;)
[13:09] <asac> its independent from the resume issue
[13:09] <asac> i will check that with nm folks
[13:09] <BUGabundo> okay
[13:10] <BUGabundo> I get a new dongle after lunch
[13:10] <asac> its probably that the prober makes your modem go nuts
[13:10] <BUGabundo> from a co worker
[13:10] <asac> BUGabundo: but file a bug as i said
[13:10] <BUGabundo> will try that
[13:10] <BUGabundo> okay
[13:10] <asac> unless you have a 3G device that isnt alredy filed
[13:10] <BUGabundo> lunch!
[13:10] <asac> enjoy
[13:42] <RzR> hi
[13:43] <asac> hi RzR
[13:43] <RzR> i have a few free hours today
[13:43] <asac> wanna make a drive by landing or what ;)?
[13:43] <RzR> i'd like to update flashblock
[13:43] <asac> RzR: ok. i think you had requested a merge right?
[13:43] <RzR> yes i did
[13:43] <asac> is that still current?
[13:44] <RzR> i thought the job was your side when i left you
[13:44] <RzR> but i wanted to make sure :)
[13:44] <asac> RzR: i dont deny that
[13:44] <asac> RzR: if its still current, then yes.
[13:44] <RzR> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu/+merge/3697
[13:45] <RzR> no upstream update tough
[13:47]  * RzR ranks #2 on http://linuxdevices.com , for just a script shell ... this is nonsense 
[13:53] <asac> RzR: yeah. i cannot merge because bzr-builddeb is kind of broken right now
[13:53] <asac> james_w: bug 347286
[13:53] <RzR> ok
[13:53] <RzR> makes sense
[13:55] <james_w> dupe! :-)
[13:55] <asac> james_w: yeah. i said i lost track
[13:55] <james_w> I guess it's an easy fix, I'll try and fix it today
[13:56] <asac> james_w: thanks a lot
[13:56] <asac> its really hard for us atm ;)
[13:56] <asac> i think fta has another issue too ... which caused a lot of pain on his daily build system
[13:56] <asac> but lets wait for him
[13:57] <RzR> no problem , take your time james_w
[13:57] <asac> james_w: there are only 3 bugs open ;)
[13:57] <james_w> most are on the launchpad project
[13:57] <asac> ok let me add the distribution
[13:58] <RzR> then time to fix my bike, see you later guys
[13:58] <asac> RzR: cu
[13:59] <RzR> note that ubuntu is higher priority than driving with no brakes :)
[13:59] <asac> lol
[13:59] <RzR> :)
[13:59] <asac> if you work enough on ubuntu you dont need a bike anymore
[13:59] <asac> just a chair and a lap ;)
[13:59] <asac> oh and some power cord
[15:05] <sindhudweep> asac: may I private message you?
[15:08] <asac> sindhudweep: ah
[15:08] <asac> ok
[15:08] <asac> ;)
[15:08] <sindhudweep> here
[15:08] <asac> sindhudweep: did you start with our packaging branches?
[15:08] <sindhudweep> no, im not to familiar with bzr and that aspect of launchpad
[15:08] <asac> sindhudweep: you need to do that. branch the gnash ubuntu branch
[15:09] <sindhudweep> okay
[15:09] <asac> also branch the upstream branch revision of the release
[15:09] <asac> then go into the ubuntu branch
[15:09] <sindhudweep> can i then merge them on my machine?
[15:09] <asac> and run bzr merge /path/to/upstream/branch/
[15:09] <asac> dch -v0.8.5-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED
[15:09] <asac> bzr commit -m "* merge new upstream release 0.8.5"
[15:09] <asac> thats a good start
[15:10] <asac> then you have to fix install files and so on
[15:10] <asac> oh
[15:10] <asac> use
[15:10] <sindhudweep> I will follow that step and then report back in a few minutes, installing bzr
[15:10] <asac> dch -v0.8.5-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED "* new upstream release 0.8.5"
[15:10] <asac> ;)
[15:10] <sindhudweep> okay
[15:10] <sindhudweep> thanks :)
[15:11] <asac> sindhudweep: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnash/
[15:11] <sindhudweep> so bzr branch https://....
[15:11] <asac> yeah you can use that
[15:12] <asac> sindhudweep: oh ;)
[15:12] <asac> actually its not a full source branch
[15:12] <sindhudweep> seems to just have ./debian
[15:12] <asac> so disregard the merge
[15:12] <asac> just do the dch
[15:12] <asac> and bzr commit
[15:12] <asac> also branch the right upstream branch revision
[15:13] <asac> sindhudweep: are you on jaunty?
[15:13] <sindhudweep> yes
[15:13] <asac> sindhudweep: the upstreawm branch is http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/gnash/release_0_8_5/
[15:13] <asac> just branch that
[15:13] <asac> then tar that up as the right orig.tar.gz (without the .bzr dir please)
[15:13] <asac> and put it next to the ubuntu branch
[15:14] <asac> then install bzr-builddeb package
[15:14] <asac> and build using
[15:14] <asac> bzr-buildpackage ;)
[15:14] <sindhudweep> okay
[15:14] <sindhudweep> so as long as it's  sibling directory bzr-buildpackage will work nicely?
[15:14] <sindhudweep> also for jaunty to i use lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu
[15:14] <sindhudweep> *do i use
[15:14] <asac> yes start with that one
[15:15] <asac> sindhudweep: i dont use bzr-buildpackage, but bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -b'
[15:15] <asac> bzr-buildpackage is too new
[15:15] <asac> but afaik it just does the right thing
[15:16] <asac> sindhudweep: maybe you have to psas --merge --dont-purge too there
[15:16] <asac> so you can work on the build-area tree
[15:16] <asac> if things fail
[15:20] <sindhudweep> should i put a message for the commit?
[15:20] <sindhudweep> it seems extraneous
[15:20] <sindhudweep> oh it fires up a text editor
[15:20] <sindhudweep> nvm
[15:26] <sindhudweep> it is saying i have unmet dependencies
[15:27] <sindhudweep> should i do this in a chroot or something?
[15:27] <sindhudweep> shouldn't bzr-buildpackage grab the dependencies and try to build it
[15:27] <sindhudweep> i'm hesitant to just install them since i might miss something then.
[15:28] <sindhudweep> asac:?
[15:36] <asac> sindhudweep: just install the reqiured depends imo
[15:36] <sindhudweep> yeah that's how i'm proceeding now.
[15:36] <asac> sindhudweep: i think its not a problem for now. if the build fails in ppa because of missing build depends you can still fix it
[15:37] <sindhudweep> ahh good point
[15:40] <asac> sindhudweep: well. usually you should try hard to not miss build depends and waste builder cycles
[15:40] <asac>  but gnash already has a good set
[15:40] <asac> so in worst case we miss one or two ... and that means one round on top which should be ok
[15:52] <sindhudweep> sorry building is taking forever on my netbook; don't have access to my desktop right now.
[16:32] <sindhudweep> dh_shlibdeps
[16:32] <sindhudweep> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libgnashsound-0.8.5.so needed by debian/gnash-common/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashcore-0.8.5.so (its RPATH is '/usr/lib/gnash')
[16:33] <sindhudweep> i don't know how it expects that to be found before gnash .8.5 is built
[16:33] <sindhudweep> i'm not sure how to proceed here.
[16:44] <sindhudweep> any thoughts asac?
[16:53] <asac> sorry currently in a train ;)
[16:54] <asac> sindhudweep: yes. you need to add that to gnash-common.instal
[16:54] <asac> look how the other libs are added
[16:54] <asac> and adjust accordingly
[17:04] <sindhudweep> thanks
[17:19] <sindhudweep> i'll be back in 20 minutes
[17:55] <sindhudweep> well that built just fine
[17:56] <sindhudweep> i'm going to try uploading it to my ppa again
[17:57] <sindhudweep> hmm the .changes file seems to be only i386
[17:57] <sindhudweep> is that normal?
[17:57] <sindhudweep> gnash_0.8.5-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[17:58] <RzR> debuild -S
[18:02] <sindhudweep> thanks
[18:03] <sindhudweep> RzR: it doesnt seem to want to let me upload packages that are "UNRELEASED" to the ppa
[18:03] <sindhudweep> can i just change that to jaunty?
[18:03] <RzR> yea
[18:12] <sindhudweep> i wonder if i miss configured dput
[18:12] <sindhudweep> launchpad is complaining it can't find my ~my-lauchpadid distribution
[18:51] <fta> Rejected: xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b4~hg20090319r23879+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 1.9.1~b4~hg20090319r23879+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 <= 1.9.1~b4~hg20090322r23870+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[18:52] <fta> i'm sick of this. damned hgweb
[18:52] <fta> i'll investigate pushlog
[20:11] <mbana> hi people, so i'm using 3.1 (i think) i need some addons such as downloadthemall
[20:11] <mbana> does it work?
[20:22] <mbana> i've more examples of broken fontconfig.
[20:22] <mbana> where shall i post them
[20:22] <Jazzva> mbana: if it's not compatible with 3.1, it might work, but you need to disable extension's version check. To do that go to "about:config" in Firefox, right click -> New -> Boolean, set "preference name" to extensions.checkCompatibility, and boolean value to false. It will install the extension, even if it doesn't pass the version check, but it still might not work. If that's the case, then you need to wait for the developers
[20:22] <Jazzva>  to update the extension to support FF 3.1
[20:25] <Mook_sb> Jazzva: umm, it's probably better to disable compat checking via nightly tester tools
[20:25] <Mook_sb> for one thing, you can do it per-extension instead of globally.
[20:25] <asac> mbana: if you have screenshots show them please
[20:25] <Jazzva> Mook_sb: I didn't know for that. Thanks :)
[20:26] <mbana> http://yfrog.com/56screenshotpp
[20:27] <mbana> just look at the firefox compared to the ones on the top left - helvetica - and bottom left - arial.  the different is huge, the firefox is getting no hinting
[20:28] <mbana> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/add-applications/C/add-applications-introduction.html
[20:28] <mbana> that's the page
[20:39] <mbana> ... someone please confirm
[20:45] <asac> mbana: i dont have those fonts
[20:45] <mbana> for what?
[20:45] <asac> are they really better than what we ship?
[20:45] <asac> arial and helvetica
[20:46] <asac> for me it looks good
[20:46] <mbana> sorry?  i'm lost.  with a 3.1/3.0 you get the screen on the right.  god knows what font is being used, it's lacking hinting which is the problem
[20:47] <asac> mbana: yeah. try to not allow pages to select its own fonts
[20:47] <asac> in preferences
[20:47] <asac> that probably helps
[20:47] <asac> confirmed?
[20:47] <mbana> i actualyl prefer for them to select their own fonts
[20:47] <mbana> it's a bug
[20:48] <asac> mbana: udo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-autohint.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/
[20:48] <asac> sudo
[21:00] <asac> mbana: did it help?
[21:00] <mbana> do i need to restar the browser?
[21:00] <asac> mbana: do that to be sure
[21:01] <mbana> no it didn't
[21:02] <asac> mbana: so its arial?
[21:02] <asac> fc-match Arial
[21:02] <mbana> arial.ttf: "Arial" "Normal"
[21:02] <asac> dpkg -S arial.ttf
[21:03] <asac> so its microsoft font i guess
[21:03] <asac> isnt that font inferior?
[21:03] <mbana> it's from Vista
[21:04] <mbana> not that's not the point - i think the fonts are the same.  look at the pics from TB, they render correctly, in firefox they're messed up
[21:04] <asac> not everything that comes from vista is good :-P
[21:04] <mbana> anyhow i'm baffled
[21:04] <mbana> this strange
[21:04] <mbana> lol
[21:04] <mbana> MS made Consolas
[21:04] <asac> mbana: why do you think that tbird uses the same font?
[21:04] <asac> so i had ttf-liberation
[21:04] <asac> wasnt really great
[21:04] <asac> but looked better imo
[21:04] <mbana> because i've sent the fonts, look closely at font selewction part
[21:05] <asac> mbana: i would say that tbird doesnt really treat fontconfig properly
[21:05] <mbana> yes it does.  FF doesn't
[21:05] <asac> check out ffox 3
[21:05] <asac> err tbird 3
[21:06] <mbana> if i change something in .fonts.conf it takes immediate affect in TB
[21:06] <asac> mbana: so can you tweak fonts.conf in such a way that it looks as bad as ffox?
[21:06] <asac> if we have that we probably would know what exactly is missing
[21:07] <asac> mbana: please check
[21:07] <mbana> no, i'm saying FF doesn't obey the rules, because if i change something in firefox everything in the desktop including TB updates itself.  i'm puzzled, though, as to what font is being used on that site.
[21:07] <asac> pango-view -t "This is test text" --font="Arial 10.666px"
[21:07] <asac> pango-view -t "This is test text" --font="Arial 10.666px" --backend=cairo
[21:07] <asac> pango-view -t "This is test text" --font="Arial 10.666px" --backend=xft
[21:07] <asac> both combinations
[21:07] <asac> mbana: are you taking about ffox 3 or 3.1?
[21:08] <mbana> 3.1 the packge you recommended
[21:08] <asac> ffox 3.1 is the one that should be ok
[21:08] <asac> yeah
[21:08] <asac> ffox 3 doesnt take font changes until you rescale once
[21:08] <asac> e.g. ctrl-+ + ctrl--
[21:10] <mbana> http://yfrog.com/74screenshot1mp
[21:11] <mbana> no difference i can tell.  again look at the firefox window
[21:12] <mbana> do you have a default firefox install?
[21:14] <asac> mbana: does it look better in pango-view?
[21:14] <mbana> no, they all look the same.  don't they?
[21:18] <mbana> ok i'll try getting rid of Arial and Helvetica
[21:20] <mbana> $ fc-match Arial
[21:20] <mbana> LiberationSans-Regular.ttf: "Liberation Sans" "Regular"
[21:20] <mbana> how funny
[21:21] <mbana> $ fc-match Helvetica
[21:21] <mbana> n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular"
[21:21] <mbana> what is that and where is that from?
[21:21] <mbana> is that bitmap font?
[21:28] <mbana> ok, i'm lost
[21:47] <mbana> any more thoughts
[21:59] <mbana> could it be something with the weights of the font in the .css
[22:51] <mbana> i get this error; TypeError: $("contentAreaContextMenu") is null after following your steps Jazzva
[22:51] <mbana> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
[22:51] <mbana> Location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[22:51] <mbana> Line Number 34, Column 1:<window id="main-window"
[22:51] <mbana> ^
[22:53] <Jazzva> mbana: huh? you get it when?
[22:53] <mbana> when starting FF
[22:54] <Jazzva> umm.. that shouldn't happen. It's probably an error in the extension
[22:54] <mbana> FF refuses to start now :(
[22:54] <Jazzva> has that happened before installing downthemall?
[22:54] <Jazzva> we'll fix it :)
[22:54] <mbana> no i just did what you said
[22:54] <mbana> then restarted
[22:54] <Jazzva> and did you install downthemall?
[22:54] <mbana> no, it's from FF 3.0
[22:55] <Jazzva> huh... then you probably accidentally changed also some other property...
[22:55] <mbana> what now?
[22:55] <Jazzva> does anyone know where FF keeps it's about:config settings?
[22:56] <Jazzva> mbana: try running with "firefox --safe-mode" from the terminal and see if it's working...
[22:57] <Jazzva> sorry, it's "firefox -safe-mode"
[22:57] <Jazzva> ok, found the file
[22:57] <Mook_sb> Jazzva: prefs.js in the profile (~/.firefox/*.default/)
[22:58] <Jazzva> Mook_sb: thanks
[22:58] <mbana> i got two versions running mind you
[22:58] <mbana> 3.0 and 3.1
[22:59] <Jazzva> mbana: ok, does the other one work?
[22:59] <mbana> yes 3.0
[23:00] <Jazzva> ok, I guess you could copy prefs.js from firefox 3.0 to 3.1, and then see if it works. just let me check
[23:02] <mbana> mmm same error
[23:02] <Jazzva> mbana: then it's something else that caused the error...
[23:03] <Jazzva> I think that about:config only makes changes to prefs.js...
[23:03] <Jazzva> (does anyone know if that's not the case?)
[23:12] <mbana> cool it worked in safemode
[23:12] <asac_> what did he change
[23:13] <asac_> ?
[23:13] <asac_> mbana: ?
[23:13] <Jazzva> asac_: extensions.checkCompatibility... but it seems that wasn't the source of the problem, since he later used prefs.js from different, 3.0 profile, and the problem was still there
[23:14] <asac_> i think it changes user_prefs.js
[23:14] <asac_> ok its prefs.js
[23:14] <mbana> ok i'll try again
[23:15] <asac_> extensions.checkCompatibility is definitly the cause for this
[23:15] <asac_> at least its really likely that you get parse issues because of that
[23:16] <asac_> mbana: echo $LANG
[23:16] <mbana> en_GB.UTF-8
[23:16] <asac_> if its not en_US then the langpacks are the reason
[23:16] <asac_> yeah
[23:16] <asac_> set it to en_US.UTF-8
[23:16] <mbana> so downloadthemall won't work because of that?
[23:17] <asac_> any extension that is forced could be the cause
[23:17] <asac_> my current bet is that its a lang pack
[23:17] <asac_> hence use en_US
[23:17] <mbana> yes you're right
[23:17] <mbana> Firefox (en-GB) not compat
[23:17] <asac_> that makes sense
[23:18] <mbana> what shall i do
[23:19] <mbana> also xulrunner is en-gb
[23:19] <asac_> yes both
[23:19] <asac_> you cn disable them explicitly
[23:19] <mbana> the world should just adopt british english
[23:19] <asac_> if you cannot live with en_US elsewhere ;)
[23:19] <asac_> nah ;)
[23:19] <asac_> only after UK adopts the EUR ;)
[23:20] <mbana> ReferenceError: nsBrowserStatusHandler is not defined
[23:21] <mbana> but it loads
[23:21] <asac_> mbana: you can go to extensions.rdf ... search for the en-GB entries there and add NS1:userDisabled="true" attribute to xml
[23:22] <asac_> but well. in the end you shouldnt force extensions
[23:22] <asac_> prod extension authors to support ffox 3.6
[23:22] <asac_> mbana: is it because of recent ffox 3.5 reversioning?
[23:22] <asac_> mbana: if so just manually fix the maxVersion in extensions.rdf
[23:23] <asac_> instead of checkCompatibility hack
[23:26] <asac> mbana: so back to fonts. pango-view almost certainly does the right thing
[23:27] <mbana> asac: yes it does
[23:27] <asac> 22:14 < asac> mbana: does it look better in pango-view?
[23:27] <asac> 22:14 < mbana> no, they all look the same.  don't they?
[23:28] <mbana> ok i misunderstood you.  btw, error will popping up when i restart firefox even thought it's been removed from the about:config
[23:28] <asac> mbana: yeah. the extensions are now probably forced or something
[23:29] <asac> i mean the problem is a chicken hen issue
[23:29] <asac> restart firefox using en_US at least once after you disabled eextension check
[23:29] <asac> chicken egg ;)
[23:29] <mbana> what's the solution
[23:30] <asac> 00:29 < asac> restart firefox using en_US at least once after you disabled eextension check
[23:31] <asac> also ensure that ffox ix actually stopped
[23:31] <asac> when you get such errors it can always happen that a dangling process is left
[23:31] <asac> which causes bad stuff
[23:31] <asac> kill all firefox processes to be sure
[23:32] <fta> back
[23:33] <asac> welcome back fta ;)
[23:33] <asac> not sure where and how long you went ;)
[23:33] <fta> hm, bad timing to help me get the 3G working in my netbook i assume?
[23:33] <asac> fta: its late
[23:34] <asac> fta: so does the udev probing fail or what?
[23:35] <fta> always hal
[23:36] <asac> fta: yeah
[23:36] <asac> fta: so now your modem isnt detected anymore?
[23:37] <fta> i think it is
[23:37] <asac> what makes you believe that its detected?
[23:37] <asac> fta: ok. lets start. what are the symptoms
[23:37] <asac> i probably confuse what you said with something else ;)
[23:37] <fta> unable to connect
[23:38] <fta> talking of my netbook, not about my laptop
[23:38] <asac> fta: can you post the syslog when it detects your modem?
[23:38] <asac> fta: is the netbook up to date at all?
[23:38] <fta_nano> i'm doing an update right now
[23:39] <asac> problem is that latest NM doesnt accept "only hal" anymore
[23:39] <asac> ok
[23:39] <asac> fta: its huawei?
[23:39] <fta_nano> the dongle? yes
[23:39] <asac> ok. so two things. if it really doesnt detect your modem you need to bump --reply in the script i showed you really really high
[23:39] <mbana> i take it i can't use downloadthemall for with ff 3.1 then
[23:40] <asac> manually running the modem detector worked for you ... so it really should be the reason
[23:40] <asac> mbana: could be
[23:40] <asac> mbana: bug the extension author
[23:40] <asac> ffox 3.1 is already in late betas
[23:40] <asac> its time to update extensions
[23:41] <fta_nano> asac, should i revert my pppd/options changes to default?
[23:41] <asac> fta: second: you huawei modem goes in bad shape when you probe the unsolicit serial port
[23:41] <asac> fta_nano: yes. reset those to defaults
[23:41] <asac> fta_nano: only enable debug i guess
[23:42] <asac> fta_nano: http://paste.ubuntu.com/136336/
[23:42] <asac> those commits might be what you need
[23:42] <asac> but thats mostly for replugging
[23:42] <asac> and so on
[23:42] <mbana> asac: so, what font was being used on your machine for that site i gave
[23:42] <asac> the first connect should still work
[23:43] <asac> mbana: the one you got by fc-match Arial i guess
[23:43] <asac> ttf-liberation ;)
[23:44] <mbana> i removed it
[23:44] <mbana> still using some strange font
[23:45] <asac> mbana: nimbus is the very last fallback i think
[23:45] <mbana> yes, what font is that and where is it located
[23:45] <asac> liberation should be better afaik
[23:45] <asac> mbana: dpkg -S FILENAME
[23:45] <asac> finds the package that a file is shipped in
[23:45] <mbana> that's nice. thanks
[23:45] <asac> so use that on n019003l.pfb
[23:46] <asac> seems ghostscript fonts ;)
[23:46] <mbana> ok i use TeX
[23:46] <mbana> probably why
[23:46] <asac> i am pretty sure that gsfonts
[23:46] <asac> is installed on most systems
[23:46] <fta_nano> asac, yeah, those commits look nice
[23:46] <asac> that why i said its the veriy last fallback
[23:47] <asac> fta_nano: yeah. its just after i took the cut ... but i really think that your modem not being detected by udev is a big problem now
[23:47] <asac> fta_nano: hence fix that ... bump --delay in the udev rule to really huge value
[23:47] <asac> and hope
[23:47] <asac> /lib/udev/rules.d/77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules
[23:47] <fta_nano> ok, reverted options to default except debug, + http://paste.ubuntu.com/136342/
[23:47] <asac> use --delay 10000
[23:47] <asac> and reboot
[23:48] <fta_nano> waiting for the upgrade to complete now
[23:48] <asac> and then pray to god that your thing is detected by udev ;)
[23:48] <asac> or well. if it still isnt we need to do something ;)
[23:48] <asac> mbana: if you have a better font we could use for Arial let us know ;)
[23:49] <asac> i mean ... one of the fonts in the archives
[23:49] <asac> why not use Bitstream Sans for it?
[23:49] <mbana> Liberation is actually a good free replacement.  no BS is too wide for most people
[23:49] <mbana> MS make very good fonts, there's no lie to it
[23:49] <fta> http://www.stefanoforenza.com/get-androids-fonts-on-ubuntu-how-to/
[23:49] <asac> mbana: yeah. so ttf-liberation was the right thing
[23:50] <asac> mbana: yeah. i have no clue why the ms fonts are not properly hinted. i thought they were not "good enough" for native hinting ... hence i suggested the 10-autohint fontconfig thing
[23:51] <mbana> wow! the android fonts look good
[23:51] <asac> did MS actually make Arial?
[23:51] <asac> i thought they bought them ;)
[23:52] <asac> the hinting looks bad in the result
[23:52] <mbana> i'm not sure, but it seems they hire people to do it, in some occasions they bought the fonts, as in, palatino
[23:53] <asac> mbana: so install ttf-droid
[23:53] <asac> its in the archive ;)
[23:53] <asac> hmm ... its dfsg so some parts are probably stripped
[23:56] <asac> yeah droid sans looks good
[23:56] <asac> mbana: just add that to the Arial entry
[23:57] <asac> in /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf
[23:57] <asac>         <!-- Microsoft -->
[23:57] <asac>         <alias binding="same">
[23:57] <asac>           <family>Arial</family>
[23:57] <asac>           <accept>
[23:57] <asac>           <family>Droid Sans</family>
[23:57] <asac>           <family>Liberation Sans</family>
[23:57] <asac>           <family>Albany</family>
[23:57] <asac>           <family>Albany AMT</family>
[23:57] <asac>           </accept>
[23:57] <asac>         </alias>
[23:57] <asac> sorry for the flood
[23:57] <asac> yeah ... so now even me is happy ;)
[23:57] <asac> fc-match "Arial"
[23:57] <asac> DroidSans.ttf: "Droid Sans" "Regular"
[23:58] <fta> asac, in the nm applet, if i disable wireless, will it disable wifi and 3g or just wifi?
[23:59] <mbana> hmmm the android font is very nice, it reminds me of segiou
[23:59] <asac> fta: thats only wifi there
[23:59] <asac> i will use it as default for now for arial ... maybe i will try it as default in general for sans et al