[00:09] LjL: Want to remove ikanobori? He's still logging -ot [00:09] Whether he's just walked away, or whatnot... [00:09] Flannel: logging? publicly? [00:09] LjL: yep [00:10] http://ikanobori.jp/irclogs/freenode/ubuntu-offtopic/2009/03/23.txt [00:10] Flannel: where? [00:10] Flannel: has he been told to stop? i realized there was talk about logging, but i never realized he was doing public logging [00:10] I... believe so. I wasn't around when the discussion happened. Let me scroll back [00:11] LjL: He posted that link and thats what started the discussion [00:11] Yeah, I'd say he was more or less told to not do it. [00:11] Oh, there he is now [00:12] i've invited him here [00:12] sounds good [00:13] LjL: why? [00:13] ikanobori: why are you still publicly logging #ubuntu-offtopic after it was clarified that's not supposed to happen? [00:14] LjL: that actual link is not publicised anywhere except for the channel therefore it is only know to people who already have access to everything discussed in the channel [00:15] ikanobori: That's not really how it works. [00:15] ikanobori, it's on a web site [00:15] that's WAY public enough [00:15] (besides, do you think Google has just had a lobotomy or anything?) [00:15] robots.txt [00:15] Anyway, if you want me to take it down, I'll take it down. [00:16] yes, i think we want you to take it down [00:16] Then that's done. [00:17] ikanobori: thank you [00:19] Then I'll part this channel again? [00:20] ikanobori: if you have no questions on your mind for us, please do [00:21] LjL: I could make up some vague question, but I won't ;) [00:22] @mark #ubuntu-ops ikanobori Was logging #ubuntu-offtopic publicly after being informed that's not allowed - claims that's not happening anymore now [00:22] The operation succeeded. [00:34] why do people quote a whole email and then just type 5 words? [00:35] Seeker`: Because they have bad etiquette [00:35] They apparently forget the "trim your quotes" part of sanity. [00:36] * Flannel hides from elky [00:37] heh [00:44] i had given the wrong lists in the mail [00:44] corrected them now [01:03] i'm at work, dopeys [01:07] dopeys? [01:08] dopey! [01:08] and daviey [01:19] :( [03:12] rww: How can we help you today? [03:13] In case nobody's watching #ubuntu+1 right now, DaemonFC's in there doing his usual thing. Figured I should let y'all know in case you didn't already :) [03:14] rww: call o-p-s in there if it becomes an issue (I'm not in there, am not sure what his "usual" thing is), and am not sure if anyone is awake (but the trigger, if required, will wake the appropriate ones) [03:15] Flannel: he got banned from -ot yesterday for trolling. The problem is that he doesn't do anything specifically !ops-able, he's just generally annoying. [03:17] I'll just do my usual thing and /ignore him, but I figured that since he just got banned from -ot yesterday, someone in here might care about him repeating his performance elsewhere. [03:18] rww: i really have to go to bed and cannot deal with this now [03:18] rww: but, give him !ot, that works often enough [03:18] rww: if he keeps on being offtopic after warning, that's ! ops-able [03:18] LjL: understood. Thanks [03:18] although he's discussing stuff with a kernel dev, so, erm [03:19] careful :) [03:19] yeah, i noticed that :) [03:32] LjL: I'm back. I see you took action. Thanks. Looks like it was a young kid living at the homeless shelter our LoCo has done some volunteer work. I'll have a talk with the shelter administrators. [03:39] @login [03:39] The operation succeeded. [03:39] @btlogin [05:07] 3 #archlinux guys just /join'd #ubuntu-women to make fun of women [05:07] they're acting like theyre trying to ask the channel out on a date [05:08] and making jokes about makeup [05:08] i told them to get out and they said went all "oh, no men allowed?" [05:10] elky? [05:10] somebody? [05:10] I have no access, sorry [05:10] ok [05:11] figures, you join, they go silent [05:15] bruenig, sykopomp, and betarepeating are the ones [05:15] *sigh* [05:19] maco: Looks like all freenode staff have access in #ubuntu-women [05:20] maco: Something to think about :) [05:20] i just went and asked in there [05:20] no response yet [05:20] maco: I was thinking more along the lines of !staff [05:21] ok... [05:22] im afraid of them scampering off before the staff person shows up with no retribution :P [05:22] loss of element of surprise? [05:22] but i think Until_It_Sleeps may be freenode person...not sure how to find out [05:23] oh no wait, i see...cloaks tell it [05:23] maco: Wouldn't help, the access list allows people with the freenode staff hostmask [05:23] Not staff wearing a wikipedia cloak [05:25] it didnt say anything n #freenode when i called !staff in #u-w [05:25] is that normal? [05:25] yes, that's meant to be used here [05:26] so the staff who hang out in the channel can check on things [05:32] * Amaranth hugs elky [05:33] i'm doing this from work, at a government client. i'm not feeling comfortable with it taking long [05:35] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. [05:35] -ChanServ- #ubuntu-women has the SECURE option enabled, and maco does not have appropriate access. [05:35] NOT HELPFUL! [05:36] heh [05:36] !staff ^^ what is that crap? it's obstructive [05:36] I'll remember that, elky [05:36] what?! [05:36] !staff [05:36] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [05:37] elky: Just kick them already, one of them is obviously trolling [05:58] Amaranth: elky's driving home right now, and im going to bed. keep an eye on them, please? [06:28] what thing [06:28] the thing [06:28] in my pants? [06:31] they should be banned from ubuntu namespace for that. the #archlinux trolls have been a problem for a long long time. [06:41] sykopomp claims it was only bruenig and he came along for the ride [06:42] but judging from what you pasted he is trolling/stalking [06:46] could we also get a ban on groovyorange in -ot for long time ban evading? [06:47] http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20081207.html.gz * [groovyOrange] (n=Username@217.8.236.161): Real name [06:48] just had a PM chat with sykopomp who claims he is entirely innocent, and that it is I who is wrong for asking him to leave [06:48] that I am being 'almost insulting and threatening' and he will save the logs [06:49] he refuses to part the channel however. [07:02] @bansearch daemon_ [07:02] No matches found for daemon_!n=xavierg2@host-98-127-40-131.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net in any channel [07:03] @bansearch xavierg2003 [07:03] No matches found for xavierg2003!n=xavierg2@host-98-127-40-131.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net in any channel [07:10] stop trolling this channel okay, I did a while ago. [07:10] actually, i wasn't even trolling. Read the log, it was all bruenig, and I just pointed him out since I figured he'd come troll [07:20] loads of fun today :/ [07:41] In #ubuntu+1, keisangi said: ubottu, you mean this is not the correct channel to speak of such things? [07:42] bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (DaemonFC) [07:55] sigh... [07:55] I have to ask an embarrasingly simple question... [07:55] * DaemonFC loves self-appointed pretend mods such as bazhang :/ [07:56] may be time to stick to #ubuntu alone [07:57] when and where was that? [07:58] elky: just now, +1 [07:58] does anyone know where to find that firefox extension that gpg decrption in gmail? [08:00] jussi01, i'd imagine it's in the mozilla addons section [08:44] morning [08:47] bruenig has been causing more issues again I see [08:49] yeah. some of them are still haunting -women [08:49] any reason they have not been bounced ? [08:50] because between maco and jono, it was decided they were behaving enough to be given a chance [08:50] okey dokey [08:51] i was trying to get home, and i lost the can-i-have-my-car-back-now-please ticket while trying to deal with it [08:51] thankfully they let me out without a fine [08:51] oh dear [08:51] very lucky [08:51] (which would have been 'oh hai, pay again') [08:52] in the UK it's pay the maximum ammount if you lose your ticket [08:52] sykopomp is still in -women, dont know if the other two were [08:52] s/were/are/ [09:03] well yes. that's logical. the fact that he saw me pay was the winning detail [09:04] ikonia, where else do the arch trolls hit? [09:15] #ubuntu [09:15] #ot [09:15] few [09:22] @bansearch gbeebo [09:22] No matches found for gbeebo!n=cbeebo@81-233-61-242-no71.tbcn.telia.com in any channel [09:22] um... what was he originally in as? [09:23] no idea [09:23] not seen him before that I can think of [09:24] @bansearch nbeebo [09:24] No matches found for nbeebo!n=cbeebo@81-233-61-242-no71.tbcn.telia.com in any channel [09:24] @btlogin [09:31] BUGabundo, do you need help with something? [09:32] nope [09:32] thanks any way [09:34] nope - just testing you where still banned [09:34] as you've tried over the weekend [09:35] with another new ip address [09:35] his IP hasn't changed in weeks, he gets banned and all of a suddent he's getting a new IP every few minutes [09:35] [09:36] WHAT has been going on at -women this weekend... [09:36] wwweeeeeiiiird stuff [09:36] ikonia, who? [09:36] bugabundo [09:36] * gnomefreak not shocked since n-m is broken (the testing version in asac's PPA [09:36] elky: BUGabundo [09:36] ikonia, banned from where? [09:36] and hes testing it [09:36] +1 [09:36] gnomefreak: then perhaps not carrying on with this behaviour and actually speaking to people would be better [09:37] ikonia: agreed, i didnt know about that [09:41] yeah - nice ident [09:46] trolls/stalker in -women sorted? [09:46] meanwhile, i still want a staff to tell me why i cant op people up in -women [09:46] good morning [09:46] can the ban on #ubuntu+1 be removed? [09:46] it has been more then the required 48h [09:46] thanks [09:46] BUGabundo, you'll need to talk to ikonia [09:47] BUGabundo: hi [09:47] hi ikonia, how are you? [09:47] ikonia: can the ban on #ubuntu+1 be removed? [09:47] BUGabundo: fine, [09:47] thank you [09:47] BUGabundo: whoaa, no "how are you" "fine" was my laggy response [09:48] BUGabundo: why did you join #ubuntu+1 over the weekend ? [09:48] (I sent you a memo about it also ) [09:48] did I? [09:48] yes, [09:48] I only got send here [09:48] when pidgin autologin [09:48] and then parted the channel [09:48] BUGabundo: no you didn't [09:48] you stayed in talking for over 3 hours as I recall [09:48] how about you take the autojoin off? [09:48] (maybe a bit less as I don't have the logs to hand) [09:48] once I got in with an unregiter ncik (bugabundo1) but part immediately [09:48] no [09:49] you joined the same day you where banned and started talking [09:49] you stayed in the channel for a reasonable ammount of time talking [09:49] and I then sent you a memo about it with memoserve [09:49] which I know you read [09:49] ikonia: I thought the ban had been removed.. (are we talking on friday, right? [09:49] BUGabundo why did you think it had been removed [09:49] why did you change IP addresse almost straight after the ban [09:50] I got you memo telling me I change IPs, which I did not [09:50] ikonia, the 48 hours would recommence from that point then [09:50] BUGabundo: why would I remove it after I told you it is for the weekend [09:50] BUGabundo: you did change IP [09:50] thats how you got passed the ban [09:50] it was a dyn ip, on the place I was connenting [09:50] I did not change the IP [09:50] ok "you're ip changed" [09:50] ok [09:50] out of my control then [09:50] I thought the ban was on NICK not IP [09:50] staying in the channel talking [09:50] plus that was on Friday [09:51] that was in your control [09:51] as was auto join [09:51] so what if that was on friday [09:51] the ban over the weekend was obbeyed [09:51] no - you broke it on Friday [09:51] and you knew you did [09:51] again, I though it was removed.... (on Friday) [09:51] then I came here (#ops) on Saturday and we discussed this [09:52] why would I remove it after telling you - and you agreeing to stay out for the weekend [09:52] BUGabundo, a hint: lying makes things worse. [09:52] and we are having the same discussion all over again [09:52] ikonia: please do was you and other OPs see fit. [09:52] BUGabundo: did you agree to stay out of #ubuntu+1 until the end of the weekend ? [09:52] I obbeyed the weekend rule [09:52] another hint, for free: treating us like we're stupid and naive will also make things worse. [09:52] and now I'm going to get work done [09:52] thank you for the time [09:53] BUGabundo: this attitude isn't helping [09:53] ikonia: its no attitude [09:53] BUGabundo: come back when you're willing to talk frankly [09:53] I'm trying to be helpful [09:53] you seem to be trying to builing me... [09:53] I'm steping back, that's just it [09:53] BUGabundo: did you agree to stay out of #ubuntu+1 until the end of the weekend yes/no ? [09:53] don't want a fight with any one [09:53] Yes [09:54] BUGabundo: so why did you join on friday and stay in talking for hours ? [09:54] ikonia: I answered that before. [09:54] BUGabundo: I missed it [09:54] and again, when I was redirected to thischannel on Saturday [09:54] or missunderstood [09:54] BUGabundo: I re-directed you due to you ban dodging [09:54] I got clear instructions [09:55] you got clear instructions to stay out of the channel [09:55] and obbeyed them, didn't I ? [09:55] yet you joined [09:55] no [09:55] you joined on friday hours after the ban was set [09:55] and you stayed in that channel for hours [09:55] again.... though the ban was removed [09:55] never thought it was IP related [09:55] you AGREED - forget the ban to stay out [09:55] yet you didn't [09:56] I agreed on Saturday [09:56] no [09:56] you agreed on Friday [09:56] on Friday it was just imposed [09:56] when I banned you [09:56] will please some other OP mediate this discussion. thanks [09:56] no - you agreed to stay out on Friday [09:56] no problem [09:57] BUGabundo, you breached the ban. that is a Freenode policy breach. I could choose to pass this on to them, or you could take the punishment respectfully for that single channel. [09:58] * Myrtti can't understand how difficult it is to take a channel off the autojoin in pidgin [09:58] elky I did! I stayed out the all weekend as requested by another OP in this channel on Saturday morning [09:58] they requested you stay out because you where banned and ban dodging [09:58] BUGabundo, what time UTC did you last leave the #ubuntu+1 channel? [09:58] I don't know what ban dodging is, not did I tried that [09:59] elky some thing along Friday night [09:59] BUGabundo, ban dodging is resetting your router for a new ip address, then rejoining channels which have banned your old one. [09:59] not sure the hour [09:59] ikonia, when in UTC did he last leave the channel, since i'm not getting an honest answer from him [09:59] elky as explained before, that was out of my control [09:59] ikonia, he states friday now, but just before said saturday, so i cannot trust his words [10:00] staying in a channel for hours is not ou of your control [10:00] elky I can post my logs... not knowing the hour, is not an disonest anwser [10:00] setting auto join is not out of control [10:00] BUGabundo, i'm not one of the people that think irc bans reset routers within 10 minutes. [10:01] ikonia, can i have a UTC timestamp of the last time he departed +1? [10:01] you're iP address had not changed in over a week when I looked yet it changed straight after the ban was set [10:01] elky I already explaing I though the ban was on Nick... not IP [10:01] elky: I'll grab the logs from the website as I had to bounce my box at the weekend [10:01] ikonia, thanks [10:01] ikonia: I connected to the internet from more then 4 places over the weekend [10:01] over several networks [10:01] BUGabundo: so ? [10:01] the IP would obviouslly change [10:02] * BUGabundo checks local logs times [10:02] oh, so the story changes now? how ever so convenient that is. [10:03] * Myrtti considers whistling a timeout [10:03] last line of log: [10:03] (01:31:27 AM) mjc1 [n=mjc@c-66-176-165-198.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] entered the room. [10:03] that lacks alot of context. i do not know what timezone that log is in, nor the date it occurred on [10:04] then on Saturday morning was redirected here [10:04] (11:01:21 AM) bazhang: BUGabundo, how may we help you [10:04] GMT [10:04] Mon Mar 23 10:04:17 WET 2009 [10:04] current time on my system [10:04] Mon Mar 23 10:04:32 UTC 2009 [10:04] same as UTC [10:04] elky: 23:59 [10:04] thats the last entry on the day of the ban [10:05] just checking the next day [10:06] 01:17 on Satuday morning GMT [10:06] was when BUGabundo left [10:06] ikonia: according to my logs, it was a bit after that [10:06] 1:31 [10:06] ok - [10:06] but ok [10:07] so there we go about 8 hours then [10:08] ikonia, now, we calculate how many hours ago that was. [10:08] I'm not doing more maths [10:08] brb. ping me when something new comes out of this. [10:08] thanks [10:08] BUGabundo: lets summarises then [10:09] BUGabundo: the ban won't be lifted at this time if you could stay out for a another few days and come back to discuss it then that would be most appreciated [10:09] how long is "few days"? [10:09] I already stayed the requested weekend [10:09] a few days is a few days - come back in 2 [10:10] there is no guarantee that after said few days [10:10] we'll chat about it then [10:10] there is no guarantee correct [10:10] we won't have this discussion again [10:10] ok [10:10] ok [10:10] see you in 48 hours [10:10] ok [10:10] thank you all for your time [10:10] * BUGabundo sets autologin for +1 OFF [10:10] done [10:11] there is a part fault on my part on that that I did an IP ban rather than host, but as his host normally doesn't change and his nick sometimes does, it seemed the right thing [10:13] there is no fault on your behalf. he knows full well what he did [10:13] when he failed to convince us that his host didn't change, he then decided to lie about swapping computers around in an attempt to make it seem innocent. [10:16] he changes back and forth between PCs due to testing network-manager he is always talking about it in #ubuntu-mozillateam since asac is the maintainer(no im not making excusses for him, i agree with the ban for most part) he uses asac's PPA for n-m and right at this time the rc build is borked(that much i do know becuase there are 4 people testing it and all have smae problem with wifi and general connects [10:16] damn too long [10:17] gnomefreak: what do you suggest ? [10:17] gnomefreak: his IP has never changed in over a week of this testing [10:17] (I checked the log after the ban) [10:17] then it changes straight after the ban [10:17] gnomefreak: I'm %100 open to suggestions [10:18] ikonia: i didnt think about that, since i didnt see most of what he has done, either im not here or i too caught up in SM and sunbird bugs [10:18] gnomefreak: what he does is minor, it's not a big deal, thats the real problem, its the fact that when he gets busted it turns into a pain and argues it pedantically [10:18] right now asac and him are talking about the way the words come out [10:19] he knows english well enough to make childish arguments [10:19] "you said keep out for the weekend, I didn't come in on the weekend, just Friday" [10:19] thats the problem, he constantly takes the argumentative standpoint [10:19] * gnomefreak doesnt care if he is in +1 since i deal with him in #ubuntu-mozillateam, however on his behalf he does help alot in there [10:19] on pathetic arguments [10:20] I don't doubt his contributions, that's why it's frustrating [10:20] but thats also his argument [10:20] "I help so you can't ban me" [10:20] "do you know how much I do" etc etc [10:20] his contibutions are solid, no debate [10:20] ehhehhehhehe [10:20] give me a sec i want to see where the topic has gone to [10:21] I find the combination of his being vocal ubuntu evangelist and his attitude destructive more than anything [10:21] s/$/else/ [10:22] if he would have been my first contact to Ubuntu... *hrrhrhrhrhrhhrhr* [10:22] gnomefreak: FYI: - I'm happy to remove the ban, I just want him to be straight [10:22] asac > BUGabundo: one rule: before hitting enter: think again [10:22] we were talking about it but he left keyboard maybe disconnected i didnt see the part after bye [10:23] and he lies [10:23] thats frustrating also [10:23] instead of just being up front [10:23] he posted a link (again he's been asked to stop advertising his groups" [10:23] give him 24 hours longer, if he does join +1 keep an eye out for the above behavour if its good lift ban? [10:23] it said something like "our group http://blah.com is doing some testing" [10:23] he wont join +1 now it's a nick ban [10:24] I'll repeat , as my questions seem to have been overlooked or missed: [10:24] is the stalking situation in -women sorted yet? [10:24] also, is ban evasion now okay? [10:25] * gnomefreak rethinks. for the most part outside of devel-discuss list adn #ubuntu-mozillateam other than that i look at +1 when i see him talk. so im not able to give suggestions [10:25] bazhang: no [10:25] bazhang: it's still pending... [10:25] don't know what to think about the current situation [10:26] gnomefreak: evern after being told to stop trying to join and come back on Monday he tried to join +1 two more times and got forrwarded to -ops [10:26] gnomefreak: there is no argument for that - bazhang told him on Saturday to stop trying to join, and he tried two more times throughout the day [10:26] http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20081207.html.gz [groovyOrange] (n=Username@217.8.236.161): Real name [10:26] apparently some google search results return Ubuntu women as the first result to http://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20successfully%20troll%20a%20channel%20on%20irc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t [10:26] when he comes back i would like to discuss this further with him on his attitude as well as the ban, (why and what can be done on his behalf [10:27] gnomefreak: sure [10:27] bazhang: what channel is that in ? [10:27] Myrtti: women are more important than guys :) [10:27] as the above shows, groovyorange is clearly sport1, sp0rtily, etc [10:27] can we remove grooveyorange - it's just one thing after another thing [10:27] ikonia, groovyorange is in -ot, long time ban evader/stalker [10:28] yes, so he needs removing [10:28] or reporting to freenode for persistant ben evasion [10:28] what ever [10:29] it has been posted here and @mark'd; whatever you (with access) choose to do [10:29] it seems that ban evasion is always wrong, especially when combined with the horrible stalking he has done. [10:29] happiness is warm fuzzy slippers in the morning [10:40] what happened to being able to vote down google results, too? [10:41] ah, i'm not signed in, that's why [10:50]