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nullackFYI - printing seems to be broken for some users on Jaunty currently. Bug #31410602:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 314106 in cups "Printer not connected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31410602:57
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JacksDepressionWhere can I find an overview of the changes in 9.04?06:50
aramorning all :-)06:53
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davmor2Morning All08:41
aramorning davmor208:44
arahappy testing day!08:44
davmor2:) Yay \o/08:44
davmor2is video play back an issue for you today ara?08:44
aradavmor2: which format?08:45
davmor2any08:46
araogv went ok08:46
ara(live session, latest jaunty desktop)08:46
davmor2Hmmm thanks oh hang on there are a load of gstreamer updates that could be why :)08:47
davmor2ara: I updated my main box to jaunty over the weekend that's the one having issues :)  I'll just reboot08:48
mvoI just did a test install with todays daily and http://paste.ubuntu.com/135904/ happend - is that a known issue?08:51
davmor2cjwatson_: ^08:52
mvohm, it appears to be08:52
mvobug 17968608:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 179686 in ubiquity "segfault calling hw-detect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17968608:53
mvohm, but I see no crash file - strange09:04
aradavmor2: did the reboot solve your video playback issue?09:09
davmor2ara: about to try now09:18
davmor2ara: yes seems fine now :)09:26
davmor2ara: I went through some of the examples here ftp://streams.videolan.org/streams-videolan/09:27
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cjwatsonmvo: I don't think it's known09:31
cjwatsonmvo: it's not a segfault and is therefore not bug 17968609:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 179686 in ubiquity "segfault calling hw-detect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17968609:32
cjwatsonmvo: can you extract logs before you reboot that machine?09:32
mvocjwatson: sure, will do that now09:35
mvocjwatson: I will try to reproduce with debug logs when the logs are saved09:36
manishhi10:34
davmor2hello10:41
cjwatsonmvo: any luck?10:41
mvocjwatson: the debug run is currently in progress, I keep you updated10:45
mvocjwatson: when I ran hw-detect manually it exited with exit-code "0"10:46
davmor3yo, yo, yo this is just a test, I repeat this is just a test11:01
davmor2davmor3: well it seemed to work11:02
aradavmor2, davmor3: who is the eldest of the two twins?11:04
davmor2born simultaneously just with different personalities davmor3 is evil :D11:05
davmor2ara: does ant spotlight screensaver preview work for you?11:08
aradavmor2: let me check11:08
davmor2ara: meh weird it is the second time11:09
aradavmor2: it works for me11:15
davmor2ara: I think it just glitched.  It stayed on blank screen when I did it again it worked fine and now won't reproduce11:16
aradavmor2: is it ubiquity much slower than it was?11:44
aradavmor2, cjwatson ^11:44
cjwatsonara: that's a bit vague11:44
cjwatsonshouldn't be particularly so, though11:44
davmor2ara:  no seemed about the same to me.  The only thing I noticed was when I double clicked it the first time nothing happened11:45
cjwatsonmost of ubiquity's speed problems are down to CDs being crap anyway11:45
aracjwatson: I know it is vague, I just wanted to ask if someone reported something like that before :)11:45
cjwatsonnot that I've seen11:45
davmor2ara: can I try a quick skype call please?12:05
aradavmor2: sure12:10
aradavmor2: it was already delayed about 5 secs when we hung up12:13
davmor2ara: hmmm maybe the delay gets longer as the call goes on :(12:13
aradavmor2: can you try with someone else? I think the delay is on my side12:14
davmor2sure I'll try in a second12:14
davmor2fader: morning :)12:16
faderdavmor2: Howdy... how goes it?12:17
davmor2fader: fine thanks wacom mouse refuses to work in Jaunty so I'm having to resort to using the stylus for everything :(  The old nautilus cd/dvd creator still looks silly on it's own in Applications->System Tools but other than that fineish12:19
faderHehe I should have known not to ask before I'd had coffee :)12:20
faderIsn't brasero installed by default?  Or did I install that and forget about it?12:20
faderIf it is, I'm not sure why we should even have a menu entry for the nautilus cd writer.12:21
davmor2fader: upstream decision12:21
faderAh12:22
davmor2fader: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.brasero12:23
faderdavmor2: Just seems like overkill to expose the nautilus way through a menu, but meh... I can't get too worked up about it, especially since brasero ends up under 'sound & video' so I'd never find it if I wanted to burn a data CD12:24
fader:)12:25
davmor2fader: On a plus side the new burning dialogue tells you everything (getting the image, md5summing the image, wiping the dvd, burning, checking the 5d5sum etc)  however on a down side it takes a lot longer (swings and roundabouts)12:25
faderHeh12:25
davmor2fader: Yeah I think I started something when I asked on #ubuntu-desktop :)12:26
fader:)12:26
faderTroublemaker12:26
davmor2fader: I only asked why it was in a menu all on it's own12:27
* davmor2 lunch13:07
dominikshey... i'm testing Jaunty build 20090322.. there are way too big fonts during install on my system.. so some texts are incomplete/trimmed...13:25
dominiksah looks like there are such bugs in LP reported already..13:27
davmor2dominiks: Yes known bug14:18
gaelfxhey, I'm testing unr and I'm having trouble using Skype, every time I try to sign on, I get the "Server Connect Failed" message. One possible reason for this is that I'm in China, however, Skype connects just fine in Windows on the same machine. Anyone have advice about locating the problem?14:39
gaelfxoh, and I forgot to mention I'm using the static-oss variant of Skype, if that helps at all14:41
davmor2gaelfx: Out of interest have you tried the standard version to see if it is an issue in the static-oss variant?14:43
gaelfxdavmor2: no, I haven't, but I'm considering trying that out14:45
gaelfxthere is one message in the log that skype.real is using an obsolete sockopt, but I don't see why that would cause the connection to fail14:47
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gaelfxdavmor2: well, I just tried the standard variant of Skype and had the same problem15:19
davmor2gaelfx: you might want to try #ubuntu+1 as a general help desk then to try and get to the bottom of this15:21
gaelfxdavmor2: ok, I might do that, but for the moment, I'm running general update to see if that fixes the problem, thanks for the input15:23
davmor2gaelfx: np's15:23
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slangasekubuntu,kubuntu alternate CDs up for beta smoketesting15:24
cjwatsonmvo: I can't find any indication here of why hw-detect failed. Any chance you could try again and uncomment the "set -x" near the top of /bin/hw-detect before starting the installer?15:28
mvocjwatson: I tried 4 installs now on the same machine and with the same settings and no failure anymore :(15:29
mvocjwatson: maybe a heisenbug15:30
cjwatsonboo15:31
davmor2Arrrrggggghh runs scared15:39
* mvo tries another one15:44
slangasekand edubuntu, ubuntustudio, xubuntu up for testing15:45
davmor2slangasek: cool any ideas when the rest will be up?16:00
slangasekubuntu desktop is also up now16:01
davmor2slangasek: Nice one :)16:05
* pedro_ starts syncing the desktop iso16:06
* davmor2 hugs slangasek for the extra testing time 16:08
slangasekwell, mind you there's a very good chance of these being rerolled16:08
slangasekbut it's good to at least get some smoke testing going16:08
davmor2slangasek: No really that's shocking news :D16:08
davmor2sbeattie: you about yet Dude?17:01
sbeattiedavmor2: yep, what's up?17:01
davmor2sbeattie: the link in dl-ubuntu-test-iso for mythbuntu seems to be wrong.  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/ should be the link now they must of dropped the daily cd17:02
sbeattiedavmor2: okay, I'll fix.17:05
davmor2sbeattie: you can thank fader for this news I haven't touch mythbuntu for a while so hadn't noticed :)17:05
sbeattieheh17:06
* davmor2 -> tea then back for testing :)17:14
slangasekmythbuntu also available for smoketesting17:16
slangasekand I'm off for a nap now17:16
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davmor2bdmurray: Out of interest why is wishlist only available to bug-control?18:09
stgraberogasawara: ping18:10
stgraberogasawara: remember that cifs crash I told you about ? We just reproduced a kernel panic when we got a few more users on the server (a school went into production this morning): http://www.stgraber.org/download/crash-cifs.png18:11
ogasawarastgraber: don't suppose you were able to also catch the top of that stack trace?18:21
stgraberogasawara: nope18:21
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stgraberogasawara: and nothing in the log of course (that was to be expected with a kernel panic ...)18:21
stgraberbug 23567618:22
ubot4Launchpad bug 235676 in linux "CIFS kernel crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23567618:22
ogasawarastgraber:  perfect, was just gonna ask for the bug #18:22
stgraberoops, wrong one :)18:23
stgraber(tells me the guy next to me)18:23
stgraberbug 34745018:23
ubot4Launchpad bug 347450 in linux "kernel panic when using cifs mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34745018:23
stgraberthis one is the right one :)18:23
davmor2slangasek: on a plus side update-manager works :)19:07
davmor2cking: evening wonder why this dell thing kick in.19:46
ckingwhich dell thing is that - the reboot?19:48
davmor2yes19:49
davmor2only seems to effect dells weird :-/19:50
dan-ubuntuhi all19:57
davmor2hello19:58
dan-ubuntuso, do i ask questions here about bugs/fixes?20:00
ckingdavmor2: and it's tied with usplash and dells on the reboot. Are there a class of Dell's where it does not work?20:03
davmor2cking: No but it doesn't affect any of my machines and you seem to be one of the only people reporting on it.  So one assumes that it's a dell thing20:05
* cking wonders how many other dells it's affecting.20:06
davmor2I think the guy who responded to your bug is on a dell too which adds to the assumption20:06
ckingI will ask apw - he's got a dell..20:07
mrooneyI also have a Dell M1330 laptop, if I can be of help20:07
mrooneyand an Inspiron 9300 although that is running Intrepid20:08
AmendtWhy is updating  via the Canada server so slow? I have to always change it to the US server to get a 5 Mbits / sec other wise I am stuck at 30 Kbit / second?20:08
davmor2What's that say about the amount of canadians using Ubuntu :D20:12
dan-ubuntu:D20:12
Amendtdavmor2 the Canadian default server is slow20:17
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davmor2fader: right so if it installed and is a known bug on some cards the it passes but gets a serious bug.  That way the bug gets scheduled for fix sooner rather than latter :)20:50
faderGotcha.  Sorry to belabor the point but I want to get this right :)20:50
davmor2fader: the whole pass fail is a judgement call 90% of the time.  You'll find that things like ckings issue with his dell machine not rebooting.  He could of marked the test as a fail but it did install and once forced to reboot worked.20:52
faderdavmor2: Argh, you mean I have to think? :)20:52
davmor2fader: only a little bit :)20:54
davmor2fader: Just treat it like it's your day job... Oh wait20:54
faderdavmor2: Hah!  They want me to think there too!  :'(  Life is hard for me.20:54
davmor2fader: pay some to think for you then it's their fault when it all goes wrong :)   I thought that was the idea behind managment ;)20:55
faderWhy didn't I think of that?20:56
faderOh wait, yeah... the thinking part20:56
davmor2:D20:57
davmor2fader: also if it passes with no bugs there is a nice little tick box that you used to subscribe to the tests, and a button down the bottom that reads passed for no bugs.  So just tick the tests and hit the button :)21:17
faderYup, saw that one and looked longingly at it :)21:17
davmor2:0 never mind hey :)21:20
davmor2Ubuntu with a windows background it still looks wrong :(21:47
stgraberhey there21:49
stgrabertime to use that quadcore for some testing21:49
davmor2stgraber: sweet21:51
davmor2oh I got my extra ethernat card and crossover cable to test ltsp now :)21:51
davmor2stgraber: ^21:52
davmor2ethernet even :(21:52
stgrabergreat21:53
stgraberI have done some upgrade testing with LTSP during the weekend and fixed one major bug, other than that everything worked just fine21:54
stgraberI'm about to try alternate i386 now21:54
stgraberhey BrunoXLambert21:55
BrunoXLamberthello21:56
davmor2fader: one last thing to remember don't repeat bugs on a cd.  If it effects both live and installed systems just log it once.  Otherwise the release team (well slangasek) has to go through them and it takes a while keep opening the same bug over and over.  You can however list it once on every cd it effects21:56
stgraberdavmor2: oh, and I also got fast internet now :) downloading at 1MB/s from cdimage21:56
faderdavmor2: Ah, okay... I'll delete it from one of the test cases21:56
faderThanks21:56
stgraberdavmor2: do you have reliable internet now or still that 15kB/s thing during the day and 1MB/s the morning ?21:57
davmor2Yes it's about 24meg most of the day now :)21:57
stgrabercool21:57
stgraberBrunoXLambert: hardy server amd64/i386 ?21:58
davmor2you still get the go slow when the kids go home and start im'ing everyone they didn't speak to cause they were face to face21:58
stgraberhehe :)21:59
davmor2stgraber: sad thing is you know it's true :D22:00
BrunoXLambertstgraber, hardy desktop 64bits22:00
stgraberBrunoXLambert: got it22:01
davmor2hows the job apart from cifs errors then stgraber?22:01
stgraberdavmor2: great, doing LTSP almost all day and when I don't it's Ubuntu-related anyway :)22:03
davmor2Cool :)22:03
stgraberdavmor2: and you ?22:03
davmor2Busy as hell :) which is the way I like it :)22:04
stgraberhehe22:04
davmor2better to be busy than bored :)22:04
stgraberdavmor2: coming at UDS this time ?22:05
davmor2Fingers crossed, touching wood and even if I have to swim I want to :)22:06
stgrabercool :)22:06
stgraberand you can even avoid plane :)22:06
davmor2I think it's cheaper to fly we were working it out.  It's about 202 quid to get there and back :)22:07
stgraberBrunoXLambert: actually, if you want it installed fast, you'd be better to come here and netboot install it instead. I have a full mirror of Hardy amd64, that'll be a lot faster than installing 8.04 (not .2) and upgrading.22:08
stgraberdavmor2: yeah, especially if booking now, I saw some flights between barcelona and geneva (was looking to fly from barcelona back to switzerland for holiday, then back to Canada) and it was like 100 euro (and that wasn't easyjet :))22:09
stgraberflying inside europe is really cheap these days22:10
davmor2There was me thinking that 202 quid was fairly hefty :)22:12
stgraberscp: ./jaunty-alternate-i386.iso: No space left on device22:14
stgraberthat may be a problem :)22:15
davmor2:)22:15
stgraberordered two 1TB HDD, they should arrive soon so I should have enough space for ISO testing, data and backup on that box22:16
davmor2I thought I was bad I want a 500gb for backup :)22:18
stgraberwell, I'm also backuping my dedicated server and my family server in Switzerland so all in all that's a lot of data (over 300GB at the moment)22:21
BrunoXLambertstgraber, all get to your place after the gym for that.22:23
stgraberBrunoXLambert: k22:23
BrunoXLambertsweaty and all.22:23
* stgraber takes Ubuntu alternate i386: manual / all disk / LVM / encrypted LVM / LTSP22:24
davmor2stgraber: Yes I'm looking at the  same cause mine does pretty much everything for me :)  photo album, mail, music the lot :)22:24
davmor2Hum less than I thought 120 gb22:27
stgraberwith photo it'll quickly increase :)22:27
davmor2stgraber: It's the music for me I got loads22:28
stgraberhmm, right, that too22:29
davmor2oh and iso images ;)22:29
stgraberyou shouldn't backup that :)22:29
stgraberbut yeah that and VM it eats a lot of disk space (even if not actually used)22:30
davmor2stgraber: I do want to it still takes a while to download 70 GB of data :)22:31
stgraberwith your internet connection, not that long :)22:31
stgraber6.4 hours22:32
davmor2It takes a good few minutes per cd22:32
davmor2the rsync script currently takes about 2 minutes a cd and about 5-6 for a dvd22:33
davmor2infact with the new brasero burner instead of n-c-b it's probably taking longer to burn than download :)22:34
stgraberyeah, it's pretty slow doing all these checks :)22:34
davmor2stgraber: you can switch them off but hey saves burning bad isos :)22:35
stgraberwell, when I burn I usually use DVD+RW so it only takes me 3 mins or so to burn it again if it's buggy :)22:37
stgrabercd-rw are really slow to burn22:37
stgraberogasawara: just saw your reply to the cifs bug, how do you suggest we get the upper part of the backtrace ? increase the resolution with vga=791 ?22:37
davmor2stgraber: Ditto much quicker :)22:38
davmor2however I will be using up my cd collection for rc and final so we can be certain that they fit properly :)22:39
davmor2slangasek: Ubuntu desktop done, I'm going to do one alternate and pick up again in the morning :)22:40
ogasawarastgraber: that's always the tricky part.  trying to change the resolution might work, but it might come down to needing a serial console to capture the entire trace22:40
ogasawarastgraber: and since it's not easily reproducible it makes it even more difficult22:41
stgraberogasawara: hmm, actually we can easily setup a serial console on one of these as it's built-in in IBM's bladecenter but we'll likely only do it on one blade and will need to wait for the bug to reappear22:44
stgraberdavmor2: take amd6422:44
stgraberI'm doing i38622:44
davmor2stgraber: I'll work through them all one at a time dude :)22:45
davmor2Right that's it I'm just going to listen to G'N'R symphony for the devil then I'm off to bed :)22:47
* stgraber loves 1920x1080 display :) I get 8 terminator window at the same time :)22:48
stgraberand on the second desktop I have 6 VMs :)22:48
davmor2stgraber: it is nice isn't it :)22:49
stgraberyeah, lots bigger than my laptop :)22:49
davmor2stgraber: do you have a samba share setup?22:50
davmor2try and connect to it if you do?  I just had issues but I'm tired so it might just be me :)22:52
stgraberdavmor2: sort of I have a win2003 server hidding somewhere :)22:52
davmor2np's22:52
davmor2I'll have another look at it properly tomorrow22:53
davmor2nn everyone22:53
stgraberbooting the beast now22:54
stgraber(rackmount server hidden in the room next to mine :))22:54
quietasCouple quick questions: How stable is Alpha 6 currently? Also, I have 8 32 bit servers (6.06 or 8.04), but I am updating my home server to a new box and wondering if I should just update to 9.04 or hold at 8.1023:13
quietasAlso, 32 bit or 64 bit on a 64 bit P4 3.0ghz with 4gb ram? Any downsides?23:15
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stgraberslangasek: hmm, got any report of broken OEM ? I started the "Prepare for shipping" thing, then rebooted and I'm back on the initial desktop with thye "Prepare for shipping" icon23:31
slangasekstgraber: nope, hadn't heard this yet23:31
stgrabertrying again just to make sure23:31
stgraberouch it get worse :)23:33
stgraberthe second time, the preparing for shipping thing starts in some kind of infinite loop23:33
stgraberI know have 50 of them in my panel23:33
slangasekmmm23:33
stgraberwell, until my VM crashed23:34
slangasekheh23:34
slangasekfile a bug, milestoned for beta and targeted to jaunty?23:34
stgraberok, doing that now23:36
stgraberthat's oem-installer right ?23:36
slangasekI assumed it was oem-config, but I don't know for sure23:36
slangasekyeah, there's no oem-installer, so oem-config must be it :)23:36
stgraberah, right oem-config that's.23:36
slangasekbtw, is it easier yet to get changes made to the ISO test cases?23:37
stgrabercjwatson: still around ?23:37
cjwatsonstgraber: yes23:37
stgraberslangasek: not really now, even worse I'd say :) the site is being migrated these days and I'm not really sure where it's hosted at the moment23:37
slangasekstgraber: hmm23:37
slangasekwe still don't have proper UNR test cases up23:38
stgrabercjwatson: you're still the one working on the oem installer or is that someone else ?23:38
stgraberslangasek: I was promised SQL access once it's migrated but I'm still waiting ...23:38
cjwatsonstgraber: I still work on it, although I'm a bit mystified by the problem you report23:39
cjwatsonI'm not even sure *how* "prepare for shipping" could start in an infinite loop unless session management is totally fucked23:39
cjwatsonthat part of it is pretty unlikely to be oem-config's fault23:39
stgrabercjwatson: I'll try running it by hand to check that possibility23:40
cjwatsonanyway, oem-config-prepare basically just escalates itself to root with gksudo or whatever, and then runs update-rc.d23:40
cjwatsonit's a shell script so you can stick 'set -x' at the top of it to see what it's doing23:40
stgrabercjwatson: right, so I should have an additional item in rc2.d or similar ?23:40
cjwatsonalthough that would probably confuse gksudo, so you might have to run it as root if you do that23:40
cjwatsonright, you should have /etc/rc2.d/S29oem-config23:41
stgraberyep, it's here23:41
stgraberbut didn't get the oem thing at boot time :(23:41
cjwatsoncheck /var/log/oem-config.log23:42
stgrabercjwatson: no such file23:43
cjwatsonstgraber: anything else unusual about your system?23:44
stgraberfound the issue with it starting in an infinite loop, it's kvm's vnc mode that sometimes get stuck (especially the enter key). Still doesn't explain why it didn't start at boot time23:44
cjwatsonstgraber: did you run this after an OEM installation?23:44
stgrabercjwatson: that's a regular alternate install with OEM selected in a KVM23:44
cjwatsonstgraber: try 'exec 2>/var/log/oem-config-firstboot.log; set -x' on the second line of /usr/sbin/oem-config-firstboot, and reboot?23:45
stgraberrebooting now23:47
cjwatsonI'll try reproducing myself, but it will take a while to get there23:47
stgrabercjwatson: stops at debconf-communicate23:49
stgraber(it's run with set -e)23:50
stgraber"10 passwd/user-uid doesn't exist"23:51
stgraberwhen the line is run by hand23:51
slangasekstarting CD respins now to keep things moving; shout if we need to reroll again for oem-config23:54
cjwatsonstgraber: hmmmm23:54
cjwatsonthat should not be possible23:54
cjwatsonit's in oem-config's templates file23:55
cjwatsonstgraber: can I get a copy of /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat?23:56
stgraberslangasek, cjwatson: bug 34664823:56
ubot4Launchpad bug 346648 in f-spot "Develop in UFRaw won't work in Dutch locale, because of escaping problems" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34664823:56
stgraberdoh23:56
stgraberslangasek, cjwatson: bug 34764823:56
ubot4Launchpad bug 347648 in oem-config "Jaunty oem installer doesn't get run after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34764823:56
stgrabercjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/templates.dat23:57
cjwatsonstgraber: debconf is missing *loads* of stuff here23:59
stgrabercjwatson: sorry but it's a regular ubuntu alternate install :)23:59
stgraberwell, with OEM selected that's23:59

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