[02:57] <nullack> FYI - printing seems to be broken for some users on Jaunty currently. Bug #314106
[02:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314106 in cups "Printer not connected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314106
[06:50] <JacksDepression> Where can I find an overview of the changes in 9.04?
[06:53] <ara> morning all :-)
[08:41] <davmor2> Morning All
[08:44] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:44] <ara> happy testing day!
[08:44] <davmor2> :) Yay \o/
[08:44] <davmor2> is video play back an issue for you today ara?
[08:45] <ara> davmor2: which format?
[08:46] <davmor2> any
[08:46] <ara> ogv went ok
[08:46] <ara> (live session, latest jaunty desktop)
[08:47] <davmor2> Hmmm thanks oh hang on there are a load of gstreamer updates that could be why :)
[08:48] <davmor2> ara: I updated my main box to jaunty over the weekend that's the one having issues :)  I'll just reboot
[08:51] <mvo> I just did a test install with todays daily and http://paste.ubuntu.com/135904/ happend - is that a known issue?
[08:52] <davmor2> cjwatson_: ^
[08:52] <mvo> hm, it appears to be
[08:53] <mvo> bug 179686
[08:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 179686 in ubiquity "segfault calling hw-detect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179686
[09:04] <mvo> hm, but I see no crash file - strange
[09:09] <ara> davmor2: did the reboot solve your video playback issue?
[09:18] <davmor2> ara: about to try now
[09:26] <davmor2> ara: yes seems fine now :)
[09:27] <davmor2> ara: I went through some of the examples here ftp://streams.videolan.org/streams-videolan/
[09:31] <cjwatson> mvo: I don't think it's known
[09:32] <cjwatson> mvo: it's not a segfault and is therefore not bug 179686
[09:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 179686 in ubiquity "segfault calling hw-detect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179686
[09:32] <cjwatson> mvo: can you extract logs before you reboot that machine?
[09:35] <mvo> cjwatson: sure, will do that now
[09:36] <mvo> cjwatson: I will try to reproduce with debug logs when the logs are saved
[10:34] <manish> hi
[10:41] <davmor2> hello
[10:41] <cjwatson> mvo: any luck?
[10:45] <mvo> cjwatson: the debug run is currently in progress, I keep you updated
[10:46] <mvo> cjwatson: when I ran hw-detect manually it exited with exit-code "0"
[11:01] <davmor3> yo, yo, yo this is just a test, I repeat this is just a test
[11:02] <davmor2> davmor3: well it seemed to work
[11:04] <ara> davmor2, davmor3: who is the eldest of the two twins?
[11:05] <davmor2> born simultaneously just with different personalities davmor3 is evil :D
[11:08] <davmor2> ara: does ant spotlight screensaver preview work for you?
[11:08] <ara> davmor2: let me check
[11:09] <davmor2> ara: meh weird it is the second time
[11:15] <ara> davmor2: it works for me
[11:16] <davmor2> ara: I think it just glitched.  It stayed on blank screen when I did it again it worked fine and now won't reproduce
[11:44] <ara> davmor2: is it ubiquity much slower than it was?
[11:44] <ara> davmor2, cjwatson ^
[11:44] <cjwatson> ara: that's a bit vague
[11:44] <cjwatson> shouldn't be particularly so, though
[11:45] <davmor2> ara:  no seemed about the same to me.  The only thing I noticed was when I double clicked it the first time nothing happened
[11:45] <cjwatson> most of ubiquity's speed problems are down to CDs being crap anyway
[11:45] <ara> cjwatson: I know it is vague, I just wanted to ask if someone reported something like that before :)
[11:45] <cjwatson> not that I've seen
[12:05] <davmor2> ara: can I try a quick skype call please?
[12:10] <ara> davmor2: sure
[12:13] <ara> davmor2: it was already delayed about 5 secs when we hung up
[12:13] <davmor2> ara: hmmm maybe the delay gets longer as the call goes on :(
[12:14] <ara> davmor2: can you try with someone else? I think the delay is on my side
[12:14] <davmor2> sure I'll try in a second
[12:16] <davmor2> fader: morning :)
[12:17] <fader> davmor2: Howdy... how goes it?
[12:19] <davmor2> fader: fine thanks wacom mouse refuses to work in Jaunty so I'm having to resort to using the stylus for everything :(  The old nautilus cd/dvd creator still looks silly on it's own in Applications->System Tools but other than that fineish
[12:20] <fader> Hehe I should have known not to ask before I'd had coffee :)
[12:20] <fader> Isn't brasero installed by default?  Or did I install that and forget about it?
[12:21] <fader> If it is, I'm not sure why we should even have a menu entry for the nautilus cd writer.
[12:21] <davmor2> fader: upstream decision
[12:22] <fader> Ah
[12:23] <davmor2> fader: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.brasero
[12:24] <fader> davmor2: Just seems like overkill to expose the nautilus way through a menu, but meh... I can't get too worked up about it, especially since brasero ends up under 'sound & video' so I'd never find it if I wanted to burn a data CD
[12:25] <fader> :)
[12:25] <davmor2> fader: On a plus side the new burning dialogue tells you everything (getting the image, md5summing the image, wiping the dvd, burning, checking the 5d5sum etc)  however on a down side it takes a lot longer (swings and roundabouts)
[12:25] <fader> Heh
[12:26] <davmor2> fader: Yeah I think I started something when I asked on #ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:26] <fader> :)
[12:26] <fader> Troublemaker
[12:27] <davmor2> fader: I only asked why it was in a menu all on it's own
[13:07]  * davmor2 lunch
[13:25] <dominiks> hey... i'm testing Jaunty build 20090322.. there are way too big fonts during install on my system.. so some texts are incomplete/trimmed...
[13:27] <dominiks> ah looks like there are such bugs in LP reported already..
[14:18] <davmor2> dominiks: Yes known bug
[14:39] <gaelfx> hey, I'm testing unr and I'm having trouble using Skype, every time I try to sign on, I get the "Server Connect Failed" message. One possible reason for this is that I'm in China, however, Skype connects just fine in Windows on the same machine. Anyone have advice about locating the problem?
[14:41] <gaelfx> oh, and I forgot to mention I'm using the static-oss variant of Skype, if that helps at all
[14:43] <davmor2> gaelfx: Out of interest have you tried the standard version to see if it is an issue in the static-oss variant?
[14:45] <gaelfx> davmor2: no, I haven't, but I'm considering trying that out
[14:47] <gaelfx> there is one message in the log that skype.real is using an obsolete sockopt, but I don't see why that would cause the connection to fail
[15:19] <gaelfx> davmor2: well, I just tried the standard variant of Skype and had the same problem
[15:21] <davmor2> gaelfx: you might want to try #ubuntu+1 as a general help desk then to try and get to the bottom of this
[15:23] <gaelfx> davmor2: ok, I might do that, but for the moment, I'm running general update to see if that fixes the problem, thanks for the input
[15:23] <davmor2> gaelfx: np's
[15:24] <slangasek> ubuntu,kubuntu alternate CDs up for beta smoketesting
[15:28] <cjwatson> mvo: I can't find any indication here of why hw-detect failed. Any chance you could try again and uncomment the "set -x" near the top of /bin/hw-detect before starting the installer?
[15:29] <mvo> cjwatson: I tried 4 installs now on the same machine and with the same settings and no failure anymore :(
[15:30] <mvo> cjwatson: maybe a heisenbug
[15:31] <cjwatson> boo
[15:39] <davmor2> Arrrrggggghh runs scared
[15:44]  * mvo tries another one
[15:45] <slangasek> and edubuntu, ubuntustudio, xubuntu up for testing
[16:00] <davmor2> slangasek: cool any ideas when the rest will be up?
[16:01] <slangasek> ubuntu desktop is also up now
[16:05] <davmor2> slangasek: Nice one :)
[16:06]  * pedro_ starts syncing the desktop iso
[16:08]  * davmor2 hugs slangasek for the extra testing time 
[16:08] <slangasek> well, mind you there's a very good chance of these being rerolled
[16:08] <slangasek> but it's good to at least get some smoke testing going
[16:08] <davmor2> slangasek: No really that's shocking news :D
[17:01] <davmor2> sbeattie: you about yet Dude?
[17:01] <sbeattie> davmor2: yep, what's up?
[17:02] <davmor2> sbeattie: the link in dl-ubuntu-test-iso for mythbuntu seems to be wrong.  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/ should be the link now they must of dropped the daily cd
[17:05] <sbeattie> davmor2: okay, I'll fix.
[17:05] <davmor2> sbeattie: you can thank fader for this news I haven't touch mythbuntu for a while so hadn't noticed :)
[17:06] <sbeattie> heh
[17:14]  * davmor2 -> tea then back for testing :)
[17:16] <slangasek> mythbuntu also available for smoketesting
[17:16] <slangasek> and I'm off for a nap now
[18:09] <davmor2> bdmurray: Out of interest why is wishlist only available to bug-control?
[18:10] <stgraber> ogasawara: ping
[18:11] <stgraber> ogasawara: remember that cifs crash I told you about ? We just reproduced a kernel panic when we got a few more users on the server (a school went into production this morning): http://www.stgraber.org/download/crash-cifs.png
[18:21] <ogasawara> stgraber: don't suppose you were able to also catch the top of that stack trace?
[18:21] <stgraber> ogasawara: nope
[18:21] <stgraber> ogasawara: and nothing in the log of course (that was to be expected with a kernel panic ...)
[18:22] <stgraber> bug 235676
[18:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 235676 in linux "CIFS kernel crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235676
[18:22] <ogasawara> stgraber:  perfect, was just gonna ask for the bug #
[18:23] <stgraber> oops, wrong one :)
[18:23] <stgraber> (tells me the guy next to me)
[18:23] <stgraber> bug 347450
[18:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 347450 in linux "kernel panic when using cifs mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347450
[18:23] <stgraber> this one is the right one :)
[19:07] <davmor2> slangasek: on a plus side update-manager works :)
[19:46] <davmor2> cking: evening wonder why this dell thing kick in.
[19:48] <cking> which dell thing is that - the reboot?
[19:49] <davmor2> yes
[19:50] <davmor2> only seems to effect dells weird :-/
[19:57] <dan-ubuntu> hi all
[19:58] <davmor2> hello
[20:00] <dan-ubuntu> so, do i ask questions here about bugs/fixes?
[20:03] <cking> davmor2: and it's tied with usplash and dells on the reboot. Are there a class of Dell's where it does not work?
[20:05] <davmor2> cking: No but it doesn't affect any of my machines and you seem to be one of the only people reporting on it.  So one assumes that it's a dell thing
[20:06]  * cking wonders how many other dells it's affecting.
[20:06] <davmor2> I think the guy who responded to your bug is on a dell too which adds to the assumption
[20:07] <cking> I will ask apw - he's got a dell..
[20:07] <mrooney> I also have a Dell M1330 laptop, if I can be of help
[20:08] <mrooney> and an Inspiron 9300 although that is running Intrepid
[20:08] <Amendt> Why is updating  via the Canada server so slow? I have to always change it to the US server to get a 5 Mbits / sec other wise I am stuck at 30 Kbit / second?
[20:12] <davmor2> What's that say about the amount of canadians using Ubuntu :D
[20:12] <dan-ubuntu> :D
[20:17] <Amendt> davmor2 the Canadian default server is slow
[20:50] <davmor2> fader: right so if it installed and is a known bug on some cards the it passes but gets a serious bug.  That way the bug gets scheduled for fix sooner rather than latter :)
[20:50] <fader> Gotcha.  Sorry to belabor the point but I want to get this right :)
[20:52] <davmor2> fader: the whole pass fail is a judgement call 90% of the time.  You'll find that things like ckings issue with his dell machine not rebooting.  He could of marked the test as a fail but it did install and once forced to reboot worked.
[20:52] <fader> davmor2: Argh, you mean I have to think? :)
[20:54] <davmor2> fader: only a little bit :)
[20:54] <davmor2> fader: Just treat it like it's your day job... Oh wait
[20:54] <fader> davmor2: Hah!  They want me to think there too!  :'(  Life is hard for me.
[20:55] <davmor2> fader: pay some to think for you then it's their fault when it all goes wrong :)   I thought that was the idea behind managment ;)
[20:56] <fader> Why didn't I think of that?
[20:56] <fader> Oh wait, yeah... the thinking part
[20:57] <davmor2> :D
[21:17] <davmor2> fader: also if it passes with no bugs there is a nice little tick box that you used to subscribe to the tests, and a button down the bottom that reads passed for no bugs.  So just tick the tests and hit the button :)
[21:17] <fader> Yup, saw that one and looked longingly at it :)
[21:20] <davmor2> :0 never mind hey :)
[21:47] <davmor2> Ubuntu with a windows background it still looks wrong :(
[21:49] <stgraber> hey there
[21:49] <stgraber> time to use that quadcore for some testing
[21:51] <davmor2> stgraber: sweet
[21:51] <davmor2> oh I got my extra ethernat card and crossover cable to test ltsp now :)
[21:52] <davmor2> stgraber: ^
[21:52] <davmor2> ethernet even :(
[21:53] <stgraber> great
[21:54] <stgraber> I have done some upgrade testing with LTSP during the weekend and fixed one major bug, other than that everything worked just fine
[21:54] <stgraber> I'm about to try alternate i386 now
[21:55] <stgraber> hey BrunoXLambert
[21:56] <BrunoXLambert> hello
[21:56] <davmor2> fader: one last thing to remember don't repeat bugs on a cd.  If it effects both live and installed systems just log it once.  Otherwise the release team (well slangasek) has to go through them and it takes a while keep opening the same bug over and over.  You can however list it once on every cd it effects
[21:56] <stgraber> davmor2: oh, and I also got fast internet now :) downloading at 1MB/s from cdimage
[21:56] <fader> davmor2: Ah, okay... I'll delete it from one of the test cases
[21:56] <fader> Thanks
[21:57] <stgraber> davmor2: do you have reliable internet now or still that 15kB/s thing during the day and 1MB/s the morning ?
[21:57] <davmor2> Yes it's about 24meg most of the day now :)
[21:57] <stgraber> cool
[21:58] <stgraber> BrunoXLambert: hardy server amd64/i386 ?
[21:58] <davmor2> you still get the go slow when the kids go home and start im'ing everyone they didn't speak to cause they were face to face
[21:59] <stgraber> hehe :)
[22:00] <davmor2> stgraber: sad thing is you know it's true :D
[22:00] <BrunoXLambert> stgraber, hardy desktop 64bits
[22:01] <stgraber> BrunoXLambert: got it
[22:01] <davmor2> hows the job apart from cifs errors then stgraber?
[22:03] <stgraber> davmor2: great, doing LTSP almost all day and when I don't it's Ubuntu-related anyway :)
[22:03] <davmor2> Cool :)
[22:03] <stgraber> davmor2: and you ?
[22:04] <davmor2> Busy as hell :) which is the way I like it :)
[22:04] <stgraber> hehe
[22:04] <davmor2> better to be busy than bored :)
[22:05] <stgraber> davmor2: coming at UDS this time ?
[22:06] <davmor2> Fingers crossed, touching wood and even if I have to swim I want to :)
[22:06] <stgraber> cool :)
[22:06] <stgraber> and you can even avoid plane :)
[22:07] <davmor2> I think it's cheaper to fly we were working it out.  It's about 202 quid to get there and back :)
[22:08] <stgraber> BrunoXLambert: actually, if you want it installed fast, you'd be better to come here and netboot install it instead. I have a full mirror of Hardy amd64, that'll be a lot faster than installing 8.04 (not .2) and upgrading.
[22:09] <stgraber> davmor2: yeah, especially if booking now, I saw some flights between barcelona and geneva (was looking to fly from barcelona back to switzerland for holiday, then back to Canada) and it was like 100 euro (and that wasn't easyjet :))
[22:10] <stgraber> flying inside europe is really cheap these days
[22:12] <davmor2> There was me thinking that 202 quid was fairly hefty :)
[22:14] <stgraber> scp: ./jaunty-alternate-i386.iso: No space left on device
[22:15] <stgraber> that may be a problem :)
[22:15] <davmor2> :)
[22:16] <stgraber> ordered two 1TB HDD, they should arrive soon so I should have enough space for ISO testing, data and backup on that box
[22:18] <davmor2> I thought I was bad I want a 500gb for backup :)
[22:21] <stgraber> well, I'm also backuping my dedicated server and my family server in Switzerland so all in all that's a lot of data (over 300GB at the moment)
[22:23] <BrunoXLambert> stgraber, all get to your place after the gym for that.
[22:23] <stgraber> BrunoXLambert: k
[22:23] <BrunoXLambert> sweaty and all.
[22:24]  * stgraber takes Ubuntu alternate i386: manual / all disk / LVM / encrypted LVM / LTSP
[22:24] <davmor2> stgraber: Yes I'm looking at the  same cause mine does pretty much everything for me :)  photo album, mail, music the lot :)
[22:27] <davmor2> Hum less than I thought 120 gb
[22:27] <stgraber> with photo it'll quickly increase :)
[22:28] <davmor2> stgraber: It's the music for me I got loads
[22:29] <stgraber> hmm, right, that too
[22:29] <davmor2> oh and iso images ;)
[22:29] <stgraber> you shouldn't backup that :)
[22:30] <stgraber> but yeah that and VM it eats a lot of disk space (even if not actually used)
[22:31] <davmor2> stgraber: I do want to it still takes a while to download 70 GB of data :)
[22:31] <stgraber> with your internet connection, not that long :)
[22:32] <stgraber> 6.4 hours
[22:32] <davmor2> It takes a good few minutes per cd
[22:33] <davmor2> the rsync script currently takes about 2 minutes a cd and about 5-6 for a dvd
[22:34] <davmor2> infact with the new brasero burner instead of n-c-b it's probably taking longer to burn than download :)
[22:34] <stgraber> yeah, it's pretty slow doing all these checks :)
[22:35] <davmor2> stgraber: you can switch them off but hey saves burning bad isos :)
[22:37] <stgraber> well, when I burn I usually use DVD+RW so it only takes me 3 mins or so to burn it again if it's buggy :)
[22:37] <stgraber> cd-rw are really slow to burn
[22:37] <stgraber> ogasawara: just saw your reply to the cifs bug, how do you suggest we get the upper part of the backtrace ? increase the resolution with vga=791 ?
[22:38] <davmor2> stgraber: Ditto much quicker :)
[22:39] <davmor2> however I will be using up my cd collection for rc and final so we can be certain that they fit properly :)
[22:40] <davmor2> slangasek: Ubuntu desktop done, I'm going to do one alternate and pick up again in the morning :)
[22:40] <ogasawara> stgraber: that's always the tricky part.  trying to change the resolution might work, but it might come down to needing a serial console to capture the entire trace
[22:41] <ogasawara> stgraber: and since it's not easily reproducible it makes it even more difficult
[22:44] <stgraber> ogasawara: hmm, actually we can easily setup a serial console on one of these as it's built-in in IBM's bladecenter but we'll likely only do it on one blade and will need to wait for the bug to reappear
[22:44] <stgraber> davmor2: take amd64
[22:44] <stgraber> I'm doing i386
[22:45] <davmor2> stgraber: I'll work through them all one at a time dude :)
[22:47] <davmor2> Right that's it I'm just going to listen to G'N'R symphony for the devil then I'm off to bed :)
[22:48]  * stgraber loves 1920x1080 display :) I get 8 terminator window at the same time :)
[22:48] <stgraber> and on the second desktop I have 6 VMs :)
[22:49] <davmor2> stgraber: it is nice isn't it :)
[22:49] <stgraber> yeah, lots bigger than my laptop :)
[22:50] <davmor2> stgraber: do you have a samba share setup?
[22:52] <davmor2> try and connect to it if you do?  I just had issues but I'm tired so it might just be me :)
[22:52] <stgraber> davmor2: sort of I have a win2003 server hidding somewhere :)
[22:52] <davmor2> np's
[22:53] <davmor2> I'll have another look at it properly tomorrow
[22:53] <davmor2> nn everyone
[22:54] <stgraber> booting the beast now
[22:54] <stgraber> (rackmount server hidden in the room next to mine :))
[23:13] <quietas> Couple quick questions: How stable is Alpha 6 currently? Also, I have 8 32 bit servers (6.06 or 8.04), but I am updating my home server to a new box and wondering if I should just update to 9.04 or hold at 8.10
[23:15] <quietas> Also, 32 bit or 64 bit on a 64 bit P4 3.0ghz with 4gb ram? Any downsides?
[23:31] <stgraber> slangasek: hmm, got any report of broken OEM ? I started the "Prepare for shipping" thing, then rebooted and I'm back on the initial desktop with thye "Prepare for shipping" icon
[23:31] <slangasek> stgraber: nope, hadn't heard this yet
[23:31] <stgraber> trying again just to make sure
[23:33] <stgraber> ouch it get worse :)
[23:33] <stgraber> the second time, the preparing for shipping thing starts in some kind of infinite loop
[23:33] <stgraber> I know have 50 of them in my panel
[23:33] <slangasek> mmm
[23:34] <stgraber> well, until my VM crashed
[23:34] <slangasek> heh
[23:34] <slangasek> file a bug, milestoned for beta and targeted to jaunty?
[23:36] <stgraber> ok, doing that now
[23:36] <stgraber> that's oem-installer right ?
[23:36] <slangasek> I assumed it was oem-config, but I don't know for sure
[23:36] <slangasek> yeah, there's no oem-installer, so oem-config must be it :)
[23:36] <stgraber> ah, right oem-config that's.
[23:37] <slangasek> btw, is it easier yet to get changes made to the ISO test cases?
[23:37] <stgraber> cjwatson: still around ?
[23:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: yes
[23:37] <stgraber> slangasek: not really now, even worse I'd say :) the site is being migrated these days and I'm not really sure where it's hosted at the moment
[23:37] <slangasek> stgraber: hmm
[23:38] <slangasek> we still don't have proper UNR test cases up
[23:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: you're still the one working on the oem installer or is that someone else ?
[23:38] <stgraber> slangasek: I was promised SQL access once it's migrated but I'm still waiting ...
[23:39] <cjwatson> stgraber: I still work on it, although I'm a bit mystified by the problem you report
[23:39] <cjwatson> I'm not even sure *how* "prepare for shipping" could start in an infinite loop unless session management is totally fucked
[23:39] <cjwatson> that part of it is pretty unlikely to be oem-config's fault
[23:40] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll try running it by hand to check that possibility
[23:40] <cjwatson> anyway, oem-config-prepare basically just escalates itself to root with gksudo or whatever, and then runs update-rc.d
[23:40] <cjwatson> it's a shell script so you can stick 'set -x' at the top of it to see what it's doing
[23:40] <stgraber> cjwatson: right, so I should have an additional item in rc2.d or similar ?
[23:40] <cjwatson> although that would probably confuse gksudo, so you might have to run it as root if you do that
[23:41] <cjwatson> right, you should have /etc/rc2.d/S29oem-config
[23:41] <stgraber> yep, it's here
[23:41] <stgraber> but didn't get the oem thing at boot time :(
[23:42] <cjwatson> check /var/log/oem-config.log
[23:43] <stgraber> cjwatson: no such file
[23:44] <cjwatson> stgraber: anything else unusual about your system?
[23:44] <stgraber> found the issue with it starting in an infinite loop, it's kvm's vnc mode that sometimes get stuck (especially the enter key). Still doesn't explain why it didn't start at boot time
[23:44] <cjwatson> stgraber: did you run this after an OEM installation?
[23:44] <stgraber> cjwatson: that's a regular alternate install with OEM selected in a KVM
[23:45] <cjwatson> stgraber: try 'exec 2>/var/log/oem-config-firstboot.log; set -x' on the second line of /usr/sbin/oem-config-firstboot, and reboot?
[23:47] <stgraber> rebooting now
[23:47] <cjwatson> I'll try reproducing myself, but it will take a while to get there
[23:49] <stgraber> cjwatson: stops at debconf-communicate
[23:50] <stgraber> (it's run with set -e)
[23:51] <stgraber> "10 passwd/user-uid doesn't exist"
[23:51] <stgraber> when the line is run by hand
[23:54] <slangasek> starting CD respins now to keep things moving; shout if we need to reroll again for oem-config
[23:54] <cjwatson> stgraber: hmmmm
[23:54] <cjwatson> that should not be possible
[23:55] <cjwatson> it's in oem-config's templates file
[23:56] <cjwatson> stgraber: can I get a copy of /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat?
[23:56] <stgraber> slangasek, cjwatson: bug 346648
[23:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 346648 in f-spot "Develop in UFRaw won't work in Dutch locale, because of escaping problems" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346648
[23:56] <stgraber> doh
[23:56] <stgraber> slangasek, cjwatson: bug 347648
[23:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 347648 in oem-config "Jaunty oem installer doesn't get run after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347648
[23:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/templates.dat
[23:59] <cjwatson> stgraber: debconf is missing *loads* of stuff here
[23:59] <stgraber> cjwatson: sorry but it's a regular ubuntu alternate install :)
[23:59] <stgraber> well, with OEM selected that's