| goshawk | hi | 17:04 |
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| goshawk | is there any common adv to use for jaunty release parties? | 17:04 |
| goshawk | i mean poster and so on | 17:04 |
| ikonia | is there any point to release parties ? | 17:11 |
| goshawk | ? | 17:12 |
| shahriar86 | @ goshawk & ikonia for both of you yes | 17:12 |
| goshawk | i don't get the question | 17:12 |
| shahriar86 | the idea is to let people know about the new release | 17:12 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: but does there need to be a "party" | 17:12 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: Party is just for fun.... not necessarily | 17:13 |
| ikonia | the standard marketing should inform them | 17:13 |
| goshawk | yes | 17:13 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: standard marketing is boring (to be frank) | 17:13 |
| goshawk | a common poster in which you just personalize date and location | 17:13 |
| shahriar86 | people wont listen to you if you start a sell pitch to them | 17:13 |
| goshawk | would be very helpful | 17:13 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: people are less likley to listen to a product marketed by a party | 17:13 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: I disagree (just my view) | 17:14 |
| ikonia | and mine | 17:14 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:14 |
| ikonia | not based on fact just my experiences | 17:14 |
| shahriar86 | I have been holding regular release parties in my City and its a success | 17:14 |
| shahriar86 | everytime I manage to get 100+ attendees and atleast 60% of them converts | 17:14 |
| ikonia | I'd put money that most of the people who turn up are already ubuntu users and already know about the release | 17:14 |
| shahriar86 | true... | 17:15 |
| shahriar86 | but then you must do the marketing different | 17:15 |
| shahriar86 | *differently | 17:15 |
| shahriar86 | I/we start at unknown places where most people is not aware of it | 17:15 |
| ikonia | I'd be more concerned about the out of date stuff | 17:15 |
| goshawk | ntwe | 17:15 |
| goshawk | btw the swiss team did it | 17:15 |
| goshawk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/Artwork | 17:15 |
| shahriar86 | I'm from a place where People still think of Linux for the geek | 17:15 |
| ikonia | eg: Sun still advertising Ubuntu as a "certified hardware platform" for the T1 platform - however the last "certfied" paltform was ubuntu 6.10 wich is EOL | 17:16 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:16 |
| ikonia | getting people like sun to pull that from their website would present a better front than having a party | 17:16 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: yes | 17:16 |
| ikonia | present a professional business product - thats the market that's missing | 17:16 |
| ikonia | the home market is picking up fine on it's own | 17:16 |
| shahriar86 | well I disagree again | 17:16 |
| shahriar86 | do you know how many Organizations converted out of these Home user parties? | 17:17 |
| shahriar86 | I managed to convert two large Universities in my city from these parties | 17:17 |
| ikonia | from experience a small amount and they will be SME | 17:17 |
| ikonia | at best | 17:17 |
| shahriar86 | its all about getting it right | 17:17 |
| shahriar86 | *presenting it right | 17:17 |
| ikonia | A Universities is not a business/business product | 17:17 |
| shahriar86 | ok. but thats a start | 17:18 |
| ikonia | no, thats a different market | 17:18 |
| ikonia | I see what you're saying | 17:18 |
| shahriar86 | if students start using it at their educational sector they will start learning & implementing them on their work field | 17:18 |
| ikonia | no they won't | 17:18 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:18 |
| ikonia | you don't implment what you learn on | 17:18 |
| ikonia | you implment what is the right solution | 17:19 |
| ikonia | implement | 17:19 |
| shahriar86 | and what's the right solution? | 17:19 |
| ikonia | for a business - not ubuntu at the moment | 17:19 |
| ikonia | or for most businesses - not ubuntu I should say | 17:19 |
| shahriar86 | yes | 17:19 |
| ikonia | I'm sure the odd one would benifit | 17:19 |
| shahriar86 | Ubuntu is for general user.... converting them | 17:19 |
| ikonia | no its not | 17:19 |
| ikonia | or "no it shouldn't be" | 17:19 |
| shahriar86 | If you want for Business go for RHL or Debian | 17:20 |
| shahriar86 | more powerful.... | 17:20 |
| ikonia | and that's where you marketing is flawed | 17:20 |
| ikonia | thats the focus | 17:20 |
| ikonia | the home user market is ticking along quite well | 17:20 |
| shahriar86 | ok listening...... | 17:20 |
| ikonia | (I don't mean "you" ) | 17:20 |
| shahriar86 | no problem | 17:20 |
| ikonia | I meant the ubuntu marketing and this "#bug1" stuff | 17:21 |
| shahriar86 | humm ok | 17:21 |
| shahriar86 | right now we are not at that stage yet (sorry) | 17:21 |
| ikonia | the home user pickup has been fantastic, and is still coming along well | 17:21 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: right - if you're not at this stage stop signing deals such as the Sun one, and the dell one then making an marketing mess of it | 17:22 |
| ikonia | (again not you) | 17:22 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:22 |
| shahriar86 | I still want to target the Young people who might now use it in their house or Uni pc | 17:22 |
| shahriar86 | but in a process they will start using it on their work pc | 17:23 |
| ikonia | do that then, but that's plodding along fine on its own | 17:23 |
| shahriar86 | that will create demand.... | 17:23 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: no they won't use it on a work PC | 17:23 |
| ikonia | no that won't create a demand | 17:23 |
| ikonia | the user doest dictate what a busines does | 17:23 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: I have been seeing result :) | 17:23 |
| shahriar86 | well I might be saying about SME | 17:23 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: sorry but thats nonsense | 17:23 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: a user doest decide what OS a business runs | 17:23 |
| ikonia | unless it's a 2 man business | 17:24 |
| shahriar86 | but most organization we have is SME | 17:24 |
| ikonia | ubuntu has pretty much no business market | 17:24 |
| ikonia | desktop or server as I understand it | 17:24 |
| shahriar86 | well ikonia I'm not sure what market you operate or I operate | 17:24 |
| shahriar86 | your market might be slightly well developed | 17:25 |
| shahriar86 | *for businesses | 17:25 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: I work with startups to multi-national enterprise | 17:25 |
| shahriar86 | we do not have IT system in most of businesses we are still on the phrase of Paper work | 17:25 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: what country are you in ? | 17:25 |
| shahriar86 | Bangladesh | 17:26 |
| ikonia | Bangladesh has a well developed IT backbone, hence why it's a bit out sourcing centre for Europe and the USA | 17:26 |
| shahriar86 | no it does not | 17:26 |
| ikonia | ??? | 17:27 |
| shahriar86 | * those company who are actually outsourcing they are getting their IT startup from Europe or US entrapreners | 17:27 |
| ikonia | yes, but they are still working on a solid IT infrastructure | 17:27 |
| ikonia | where they get money/business from is irelevant | 17:27 |
| shahriar86 | if you want me to be honest then I will say that Bangladesh has no working IT sector | 17:28 |
| ikonia | interesting | 17:28 |
| shahriar86 | or I can say just to save the face of my country that yes you are right | 17:28 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: there is nothing to save face about | 17:28 |
| ikonia | the ammount of outsourcing deals I work with that are based on lies - that is no surprise to me | 17:29 |
| shahriar86 | as I told earlier most Businesses dont have any IT department...... not even a single pc to store their info.... most are still cabinate & paper work | 17:29 |
| ikonia | apologies for dragging the topic away from the release party, got carried away | 17:29 |
| shahriar86 | oops | 17:29 |
| shahriar86 | my bad :P | 17:30 |
| ikonia | not at all - that was my fault | 17:30 |
| shahriar86 | as I was saying the relation with release parties and Businessed | 17:30 |
| ikonia | businesses from experience will not be interested/turn up to things like release parties | 17:30 |
| shahriar86 | it is like this that our IT system is running based on the experties of the frashly graduates | 17:30 |
| ikonia | they want market facts and serious presentations | 17:30 |
| shahriar86 | *freshly | 17:30 |
| shahriar86 | yes that is on matured market | 17:31 |
| ikonia | no, on startups too | 17:31 |
| shahriar86 | you would be surprised how many decisions are made based on the "comment of fresh graduates" | 17:31 |
| ikonia | the ammount of startups I work with that want evidence to backup your stratergy for them is pretty much %95 | 17:31 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:31 |
| ikonia | shahriar86: maybe in India - but certainly not in the western world | 17:32 |
| shahriar86 | ok first its not India :( | 17:32 |
| ikonia | oh really, apologies | 17:32 |
| shahriar86 | Indian market is more matured than us | 17:32 |
| ikonia | I thought it was part of Indian | 17:32 |
| ikonia | India | 17:32 |
| ikonia | hence why I thought it was mature | 17:32 |
| shahriar86 | no you mistaken with Bangalor | 17:32 |
| ikonia | my apologies | 17:32 |
| shahriar86 | Bangalor is heart of Indian IT sector | 17:32 |
| shahriar86 | Bangladesh is another country | 17:33 |
| shahriar86 | *well its neibour | 17:33 |
| ikonia | my georgraphy is bad | 17:33 |
| shahriar86 | perdon my spelling :) | 17:33 |
| shahriar86 | no problem | 17:33 |
| ikonia | I thought it was pretty much the same place - yes neighbours | 17:33 |
| shahriar86 | yes I agree with you Bangalor, India is much more matured market | 17:33 |
| shahriar86 | if you compare Indian market with our market I will still comment we are still on the 80's era | 17:34 |
| shahriar86 | any way I'm still open for your suggestions | 17:35 |
| shahriar86 | please continue | 17:35 |
| ikonia | not really much you can do for your market that I can think of | 17:35 |
| ikonia | I was more interested in targeting the Western world | 17:36 |
| shahriar86 | oh ok | 17:36 |
| shahriar86 | yes then I will agree that Western or matured market should target Businesses directly as a solution provider | 17:36 |
| shahriar86 | may be not as Ubuntu itself customized solution might work | 17:36 |
| ikonia | Ubuntu is not a solution I could easy recommend | 17:37 |
| ikonia | (at this moment in time) | 17:37 |
| shahriar86 | :) | 17:37 |
| shahriar86 | true sometime I also feel that | 17:37 |
| shahriar86 | nothing much is there for businesses..... | 17:38 |
| ikonia | must fly | 17:39 |
| ikonia | sorry for taking it away from release party | 17:40 |
| shahriar86 | humm | 17:40 |
| ikonia | wasn't intention, got caught up in dicussion | 17:40 |
| ikonia | discussion | 17:40 |
| shahriar86 | I would agree with you Promotional activities for Businesses would be more productive than Release parties in Developed market | 17:40 |
| shahriar86 | but for less developed market we still need to capture the young (future representatives) | 17:41 |
| shahriar86 | ikonia: you seem to be in the field for long term | 17:43 |
| shahriar86 | if you are not busy I would like to know more about your view | 17:43 |
| shahriar86 | even if its not about release party | 17:43 |
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