[17:04] hi [17:04] is there any common adv to use for jaunty release parties? [17:04] i mean poster and so on [17:11] is there any point to release parties ? [17:12] ? [17:12] @ goshawk & ikonia for both of you yes [17:12] i don't get the question [17:12] the idea is to let people know about the new release [17:12] shahriar86: but does there need to be a "party" [17:13] ikonia: Party is just for fun.... not necessarily [17:13] the standard marketing should inform them [17:13] yes [17:13] ikonia: standard marketing is boring (to be frank) [17:13] a common poster in which you just personalize date and location [17:13] people wont listen to you if you start a sell pitch to them [17:13] would be very helpful [17:13] shahriar86: people are less likley to listen to a product marketed by a party [17:14] ikonia: I disagree (just my view) [17:14] and mine [17:14] :) [17:14] not based on fact just my experiences [17:14] I have been holding regular release parties in my City and its a success [17:14] everytime I manage to get 100+ attendees and atleast 60% of them converts [17:14] I'd put money that most of the people who turn up are already ubuntu users and already know about the release [17:15] true... [17:15] but then you must do the marketing different [17:15] *differently [17:15] I/we start at unknown places where most people is not aware of it [17:15] I'd be more concerned about the out of date stuff [17:15] ntwe [17:15] btw the swiss team did it [17:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/Artwork [17:15] I'm from a place where People still think of Linux for the geek [17:16] eg: Sun still advertising Ubuntu as a "certified hardware platform" for the T1 platform - however the last "certfied" paltform was ubuntu 6.10 wich is EOL [17:16] :) [17:16] getting people like sun to pull that from their website would present a better front than having a party [17:16] ikonia: yes [17:16] present a professional business product - thats the market that's missing [17:16] the home market is picking up fine on it's own [17:16] well I disagree again [17:17] do you know how many Organizations converted out of these Home user parties? [17:17] I managed to convert two large Universities in my city from these parties [17:17] from experience a small amount and they will be SME [17:17] at best [17:17] its all about getting it right [17:17] *presenting it right [17:17] A Universities is not a business/business product [17:18] ok. but thats a start [17:18] no, thats a different market [17:18] I see what you're saying [17:18] if students start using it at their educational sector they will start learning & implementing them on their work field [17:18] no they won't [17:18] :) [17:18] you don't implment what you learn on [17:19] you implment what is the right solution [17:19] implement [17:19] and what's the right solution? [17:19] for a business - not ubuntu at the moment [17:19] or for most businesses - not ubuntu I should say [17:19] yes [17:19] I'm sure the odd one would benifit [17:19] Ubuntu is for general user.... converting them [17:19] no its not [17:19] or "no it shouldn't be" [17:20] If you want for Business go for RHL or Debian [17:20] more powerful.... [17:20] and that's where you marketing is flawed [17:20] thats the focus [17:20] the home user market is ticking along quite well [17:20] ok listening...... [17:20] (I don't mean "you" ) [17:20] no problem [17:21] I meant the ubuntu marketing and this "#bug1" stuff [17:21] humm ok [17:21] right now we are not at that stage yet (sorry) [17:21] the home user pickup has been fantastic, and is still coming along well [17:22] shahriar86: right - if you're not at this stage stop signing deals such as the Sun one, and the dell one then making an marketing mess of it [17:22] (again not you) [17:22] :) [17:22] I still want to target the Young people who might now use it in their house or Uni pc [17:23] but in a process they will start using it on their work pc [17:23] do that then, but that's plodding along fine on its own [17:23] that will create demand.... [17:23] shahriar86: no they won't use it on a work PC [17:23] no that won't create a demand [17:23] the user doest dictate what a busines does [17:23] ikonia: I have been seeing result :) [17:23] well I might be saying about SME [17:23] shahriar86: sorry but thats nonsense [17:23] shahriar86: a user doest decide what OS a business runs [17:24] unless it's a 2 man business [17:24] but most organization we have is SME [17:24] ubuntu has pretty much no business market [17:24] desktop or server as I understand it [17:24] well ikonia I'm not sure what market you operate or I operate [17:25] your market might be slightly well developed [17:25] *for businesses [17:25] shahriar86: I work with startups to multi-national enterprise [17:25] we do not have IT system in most of businesses we are still on the phrase of Paper work [17:25] shahriar86: what country are you in ? [17:26] Bangladesh [17:26] Bangladesh has a well developed IT backbone, hence why it's a bit out sourcing centre for Europe and the USA [17:26] no it does not [17:27] ??? [17:27] * those company who are actually outsourcing they are getting their IT startup from Europe or US entrapreners [17:27] yes, but they are still working on a solid IT infrastructure [17:27] where they get money/business from is irelevant [17:28] if you want me to be honest then I will say that Bangladesh has no working IT sector [17:28] interesting [17:28] or I can say just to save the face of my country that yes you are right [17:28] shahriar86: there is nothing to save face about [17:29] the ammount of outsourcing deals I work with that are based on lies - that is no surprise to me [17:29] as I told earlier most Businesses dont have any IT department...... not even a single pc to store their info.... most are still cabinate & paper work [17:29] apologies for dragging the topic away from the release party, got carried away [17:29] oops [17:30] my bad :P [17:30] not at all - that was my fault [17:30] as I was saying the relation with release parties and Businessed [17:30] businesses from experience will not be interested/turn up to things like release parties [17:30] it is like this that our IT system is running based on the experties of the frashly graduates [17:30] they want market facts and serious presentations [17:30] *freshly [17:31] yes that is on matured market [17:31] no, on startups too [17:31] you would be surprised how many decisions are made based on the "comment of fresh graduates" [17:31] the ammount of startups I work with that want evidence to backup your stratergy for them is pretty much %95 [17:31] :) [17:32] shahriar86: maybe in India - but certainly not in the western world [17:32] ok first its not India :( [17:32] oh really, apologies [17:32] Indian market is more matured than us [17:32] I thought it was part of Indian [17:32] India [17:32] hence why I thought it was mature [17:32] no you mistaken with Bangalor [17:32] my apologies [17:32] Bangalor is heart of Indian IT sector [17:33] Bangladesh is another country [17:33] *well its neibour [17:33] my georgraphy is bad [17:33] perdon my spelling :) [17:33] no problem [17:33] I thought it was pretty much the same place - yes neighbours [17:33] yes I agree with you Bangalor, India is much more matured market [17:34] if you compare Indian market with our market I will still comment we are still on the 80's era [17:35] any way I'm still open for your suggestions [17:35] please continue [17:35] not really much you can do for your market that I can think of [17:36] I was more interested in targeting the Western world [17:36] oh ok [17:36] yes then I will agree that Western or matured market should target Businesses directly as a solution provider [17:36] may be not as Ubuntu itself customized solution might work [17:37] Ubuntu is not a solution I could easy recommend [17:37] (at this moment in time) [17:37] :) [17:37] true sometime I also feel that [17:38] nothing much is there for businesses..... [17:39] must fly [17:40] sorry for taking it away from release party [17:40] humm [17:40] wasn't intention, got caught up in dicussion [17:40] discussion [17:40] I would agree with you Promotional activities for Businesses would be more productive than Release parties in Developed market [17:41] but for less developed market we still need to capture the young (future representatives) [17:43] ikonia: you seem to be in the field for long term [17:43] if you are not busy I would like to know more about your view [17:43] even if its not about release party