[17:04] <goshawk> hi
[17:04] <goshawk> is there any common adv to use for jaunty release parties?
[17:04] <goshawk> i mean poster and so on
[17:11] <ikonia> is there any point to release parties ?
[17:12] <goshawk> ?
[17:12] <shahriar86> @ goshawk & ikonia for both of you yes
[17:12] <goshawk> i don't get the question
[17:12] <shahriar86> the idea is to let people know about the new release
[17:12] <ikonia> shahriar86: but does there need to be a "party" 
[17:13] <shahriar86> ikonia:  Party is just for fun.... not necessarily
[17:13] <ikonia> the standard marketing should inform them
[17:13] <goshawk> yes
[17:13] <shahriar86> ikonia: standard marketing is boring (to be frank)
[17:13] <goshawk> a common poster in which you just personalize date and location
[17:13] <shahriar86> people wont listen to you if you start a sell pitch to them
[17:13] <goshawk> would be very helpful
[17:13] <ikonia> shahriar86: people are less likley to listen to a product marketed by a party
[17:14] <shahriar86> ikonia:  I disagree (just my view)
[17:14] <ikonia> and mine
[17:14] <shahriar86> :)
[17:14] <ikonia> not based on fact just my experiences 
[17:14] <shahriar86> I have been holding regular release parties in my City and its a success
[17:14] <shahriar86> everytime I manage to get 100+ attendees and atleast 60% of them converts
[17:14] <ikonia> I'd put money that most of the people who turn up are already ubuntu users and already know about the release 
[17:15] <shahriar86> true...
[17:15] <shahriar86> but then you must do the marketing different
[17:15] <shahriar86> *differently
[17:15] <shahriar86> I/we start at unknown places where most people is not aware of it
[17:15] <ikonia> I'd be more concerned about the out of date stuff 
[17:15] <goshawk> ntwe
[17:15] <goshawk> btw the swiss team did it
[17:15] <goshawk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/Artwork
[17:15] <shahriar86> I'm from a place where People still think of Linux for the geek
[17:16] <ikonia> eg: Sun still advertising Ubuntu as a "certified hardware platform" for the T1 platform - however the last  "certfied" paltform was ubuntu 6.10 wich is EOL
[17:16] <shahriar86> :)
[17:16] <ikonia> getting people like sun to pull that from their website would present a better front than having a party 
[17:16] <shahriar86> ikonia:  yes
[17:16] <ikonia> present a professional business product - thats the market that's missing
[17:16] <ikonia> the home market is picking up fine on it's own
[17:16] <shahriar86> well I disagree again
[17:17] <shahriar86> do you know how many Organizations converted out of these Home user parties?
[17:17] <shahriar86> I managed to convert two large Universities in my city from these parties
[17:17] <ikonia> from experience a small amount and they will be SME 
[17:17] <ikonia> at best
[17:17] <shahriar86> its all about getting it right
[17:17] <shahriar86> *presenting it right
[17:17] <ikonia> A Universities is not a business/business product
[17:18] <shahriar86> ok. but thats a start
[17:18] <ikonia> no, thats a different market
[17:18] <ikonia> I see what you're saying
[17:18] <shahriar86> if students start using it at their educational sector they will start learning & implementing them on their work field
[17:18] <ikonia> no they won't
[17:18] <shahriar86> :)
[17:18] <ikonia> you don't implment what you learn on
[17:19] <ikonia> you implment what is the right solution 
[17:19] <ikonia> implement
[17:19] <shahriar86> and what's the right solution?
[17:19] <ikonia> for a business - not ubuntu at the moment
[17:19] <ikonia> or for most businesses - not ubuntu I should say 
[17:19] <shahriar86> yes
[17:19] <ikonia> I'm sure the odd one would benifit
[17:19] <shahriar86> Ubuntu is for general user.... converting them
[17:19] <ikonia> no its not
[17:19] <ikonia> or "no it shouldn't be" 
[17:20] <shahriar86> If you want for Business go for RHL or Debian
[17:20] <shahriar86> more powerful....
[17:20] <ikonia> and that's where you marketing is flawed
[17:20] <ikonia> thats the focus
[17:20] <ikonia> the home user market is ticking along quite well
[17:20] <shahriar86> ok listening......
[17:20] <ikonia> (I don't  mean "you" ) 
[17:20] <shahriar86> no problem
[17:21] <ikonia> I meant the ubuntu marketing and this "#bug1" stuff
[17:21] <shahriar86> humm ok
[17:21] <shahriar86> right now we are not at that stage yet (sorry)
[17:21] <ikonia> the home user pickup has been fantastic, and is still coming along well
[17:22] <ikonia> shahriar86: right - if you're not at this stage stop signing deals such as the Sun one, and the dell one then making an marketing mess of it
[17:22] <ikonia> (again not you) 
[17:22] <shahriar86> :)
[17:22] <shahriar86> I still want to target the Young people who might now use it in their house or Uni pc 
[17:23] <shahriar86> but in a process they will start using it on their work pc
[17:23] <ikonia> do that then, but that's plodding along fine on its own
[17:23] <shahriar86> that will create demand....
[17:23] <ikonia> shahriar86: no they won't use it on a work PC
[17:23] <ikonia> no that won't create a demand
[17:23] <ikonia> the user doest dictate what a busines does
[17:23] <shahriar86> ikonia:  I have been seeing result :)
[17:23] <shahriar86> well I might be saying about SME
[17:23] <ikonia> shahriar86: sorry but thats nonsense 
[17:23] <ikonia> shahriar86: a user doest decide what OS a business runs
[17:24] <ikonia> unless it's a 2 man business
[17:24] <shahriar86> but most organization we have is SME
[17:24] <ikonia> ubuntu has pretty much no business market
[17:24] <ikonia> desktop or server as I understand it
[17:24] <shahriar86> well ikonia I'm not sure what market you operate or I operate
[17:25] <shahriar86> your market might be slightly well developed
[17:25] <shahriar86> *for businesses
[17:25] <ikonia> shahriar86: I work with startups to multi-national enterprise
[17:25] <shahriar86> we do not have IT system in most of businesses we are still on the phrase of Paper work
[17:25] <ikonia> shahriar86: what country are you in ?
[17:26] <shahriar86> Bangladesh
[17:26] <ikonia> Bangladesh has a well developed IT backbone, hence why it's a bit out sourcing centre for Europe and the USA 
[17:26] <shahriar86> no it does not
[17:27] <ikonia> ???
[17:27] <shahriar86> * those company who are actually outsourcing they are getting their IT startup from Europe or US entrapreners
[17:27] <ikonia> yes, but they are still working on a solid IT infrastructure
[17:27] <ikonia> where they get money/business from is irelevant
[17:28] <shahriar86> if you want me to be honest then I will say that Bangladesh has no working IT sector
[17:28] <ikonia> interesting
[17:28] <shahriar86> or I can say just to save the face of my country that yes you are right
[17:28] <ikonia> shahriar86: there is nothing to save face about
[17:29] <ikonia> the ammount of outsourcing deals I work with that are based on lies - that is no surprise to me
[17:29] <shahriar86> as I told earlier most Businesses dont have any IT department...... not even a single pc to store their info.... most are still cabinate & paper work
[17:29] <ikonia> apologies for dragging the topic away from the release party, got carried away 
[17:29] <shahriar86> oops
[17:30] <shahriar86> my bad :P
[17:30] <ikonia> not at all - that was my fault
[17:30] <shahriar86> as I was saying the relation with release parties and Businessed
[17:30] <ikonia> businesses from experience will not be interested/turn up to things like release parties
[17:30] <shahriar86> it is like this that our IT system is running based on the experties of the frashly graduates
[17:30] <ikonia> they want market facts and serious presentations
[17:30] <shahriar86> *freshly
[17:31] <shahriar86> yes that is on matured market
[17:31] <ikonia> no, on startups too
[17:31] <shahriar86> you would be surprised how many decisions are made based on the "comment of fresh graduates"
[17:31] <ikonia> the ammount of startups I work with that want evidence to backup your stratergy for them is pretty much %95
[17:31] <shahriar86> :)
[17:32] <ikonia> shahriar86: maybe in India - but certainly not in the western world
[17:32] <shahriar86> ok first its not India :(
[17:32] <ikonia> oh really, apologies
[17:32] <shahriar86> Indian market is more matured than us
[17:32] <ikonia> I thought it was part of Indian 
[17:32] <ikonia> India
[17:32] <ikonia> hence why I thought it was mature
[17:32] <shahriar86> no you mistaken with Bangalor
[17:32] <ikonia> my apologies
[17:32] <shahriar86> Bangalor is heart of Indian IT sector
[17:33] <shahriar86> Bangladesh is another country
[17:33] <shahriar86> *well its neibour
[17:33] <ikonia> my georgraphy is bad 
[17:33] <shahriar86> perdon my spelling :)
[17:33] <shahriar86> no problem
[17:33] <ikonia> I thought it was pretty much the same place - yes neighbours
[17:33] <shahriar86> yes I agree with you Bangalor, India is much more matured market
[17:34] <shahriar86> if you compare Indian market with our market I will still comment we are still on the 80's era
[17:35] <shahriar86> any way I'm still open for your suggestions
[17:35] <shahriar86> please continue
[17:35] <ikonia> not really much you can do for your market that I can think of
[17:36] <ikonia> I was more interested in targeting the Western world 
[17:36] <shahriar86> oh ok
[17:36] <shahriar86> yes then I will agree that Western or matured market should target Businesses directly as a solution provider
[17:36] <shahriar86> may be not as Ubuntu itself customized solution might work
[17:37] <ikonia> Ubuntu is not a solution I could easy recommend 
[17:37] <ikonia> (at this moment in time) 
[17:37] <shahriar86> :)
[17:37] <shahriar86> true sometime I also feel that
[17:38] <shahriar86> nothing much is there for businesses.....
[17:39] <ikonia> must fly
[17:40] <ikonia> sorry for taking it away from release party
[17:40] <shahriar86> humm
[17:40] <ikonia> wasn't intention, got caught up in dicussion
[17:40] <ikonia> discussion
[17:40] <shahriar86> I would agree with you Promotional activities for Businesses would be more productive than Release parties in Developed market
[17:41] <shahriar86> but for less developed market we still need to capture the young (future representatives)
[17:43] <shahriar86> ikonia:  you seem to be in the field for long term
[17:43] <shahriar86> if you are not busy I would like to know more about your view
[17:43] <shahriar86> even if its not about release party