[09:49] <sabdfl> hi folks
[09:49] <sabdfl> just installed the UNR on an Acer Aspire, looks good!
[09:52] <lool> sabdfl: Good to hear
[09:52] <lool> There are major issues with the intel driver on some netbooks at the moment though
[09:52] <sabdfl> i'll send an installation report to the list
[09:52] <lool> Thanks
[09:52] <sabdfl> yes, wifi is busted here :-/
[09:52] <sabdfl> but i know that's a documented issue
[09:54] <lool> Hmm was actually thinking of one of the other intel drivers, the video one; I had issues with not merged realtek drivers up to alpha 6, but it's ok now
[10:04] <sabdfl> is it a known issue that indicator-messages is not installed?
[10:07] <davmor2> sabdfl: if you rmmod acer-mwi wifi should spring into life
[10:07] <lool> sabdfl: You mean the new notification system in general?
[10:08] <sabdfl> davmor2: *rmmod* ?
[10:08] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[10:08] <davmor2> sabdfl: you can blacklist it if it works but yes 
[10:09] <mdz> see bug 319825
[10:09] <sabdfl> interesting hardware approach by acer
[10:10] <sabdfl> lool: part of the notification system is a set of persistent indicators on the panel
[10:10] <sabdfl> to handle things like "joe just IM'd me, I want to reply"
[10:10] <sabdfl> we take away "buttons on notifications" but we add "persistent indicators"
[10:10] <sabdfl> the indicator applet is a gnome-panel host for those persistent indicators
[10:10] <lool> sabdfl: If there's no dependency between this and the alsdorf, we could include it
[10:10] <sabdfl> that's installed in my image
[10:11] <sabdfl> lool: there's no dependency
[10:11] <sabdfl> but they should both be installed
[10:11] <lool> Ok
[10:11] <sabdfl> the applet is installed and on the panel (yay!)
[10:11] <lool> Yeah I wondered why I couldn't do anything with it yesterday
[10:15] <lool> sabdfl: So I'm adding indicator-messages, evolution-indicator, and pidgin-libnotify to the seed; thanks
[10:15] <sabdfl> thanks lool, you rock
[10:15] <sabdfl> is the seed also published as a task?
[10:15] <lool> Yes
[10:15] <lool> Task-Description: Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[10:18] <lool> StevenK: ^^^ seed update
[10:18] <sabdfl> looks great, i just found it as mobile-netbook-remix
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: is that going to require a re-spin or will this be for after beta?
[10:18] <lool> davmor2: It's for post beta
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: phew
[10:18] <lool> davmor2: It needs an upload of mobile-meta and a respin
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: no, no after beta is fine with me :)
[10:19] <lool> StevenK: I wonder whether we should be tracking changes to the desktop seeds more effectively, perhaps either by matter of bzr merges or by having a common seed just like desktop-common, but for GNOME-ish seeds
[10:21] <lool> ogra: around?
[10:22] <lool> ogra: mdz said your imagewriter was great and we should consider having it in universe if usb-creator support is too late; do you know how we stand with usb-creator?
[10:22] <lool> ogra: (this started on #ubuntu-devel)
[10:31] <ogra> lool, yes, saw that, i havent done anything with -creator
[10:31] <ogra> lool, -imagewriter has a plasma frontend though (NCommander wrote it during UDS) while -creator is gnome only
[10:31] <lool> ogra: I would still recommend we work on merging these relatively close tools, but for jaunty could you pick up packaging of imagewriter?  or perhaps NCommander?
[10:31] <lool> (in universe is fine)
[10:31] <ogra> its packaged since intrepid (the gnome part) 
[10:32] <ogra> just didnt make it into the archive because pitti didnt like my dd hack 
[10:32] <lool> Eh
[10:32] <ogra> i *do* like it though
[10:32] <lool> Well could you work on fixing that or convincing him then?
[10:32] <ogra> and didnt like to change it
[10:32] <ogra> i'll try
[11:30] <davmor2> lool: AAO the linpus lite works in the same manner you need to press the button to wake it
[11:31] <davmor2> I replied to the list but mail is in queque to be approved I must not of changed mailing address :(
[11:35] <lool> davmor2: it doesn't really confirm whether it's a BIOS or userspace issue; the reverse would have proven the contrary though :)
[11:36] <lool> davmor2: It could be a BIOS bug or a BIOS know or an userspace bug
[11:36] <lool> It's certainly not hardware as it detects lid closure and doesn't respond to the power button as long as the lid is clsoed (for me)
[11:36] <davmor2> lool: iirc you had to do the same with xp too
[11:36] <lool> davmor2: That's interesting
[11:37] <lool> I guess this points strongly at a BIOS bug; I wish we had tools to point these out
[11:38] <davmor2> in fact if memory serves you had the flashy button on any acer you shut the lid on.  I'll double check the next time I'm in a computer shop :)
[12:13] <davmor2> lool has something happened to the install icon when I installed end of last week it was in favourites
[12:16] <lool> persia: ^ is this related to your recent changes?
[12:16] <davmor2> lool just reading sabdfl's mail
[12:19] <persia> lool, No.  The only change to casper I have pending is related to showing Install on MID, and I attempted an alternate development workflow, which ended up not being the right model.
[12:19] <persia> I've not otherwise changed it for some time, and the favourites change for UNR should have been there for quite a while.
[12:21] <davmor2> persia: wasn't in alpha 6 but was afterwards
[12:22] <lool> davmor2: No idea then
[12:22] <persia> davmor2, Right.  Ought still be there.
[12:22] <lool> favorites are handled in the launcher package
[12:22] <persia> No.
[12:23] <davmor2> lool:  I'll take a look after
[12:23] <persia> The install icon only appears in favourites because of casper hacks.
[12:25] <davmor2> lool, persia: downloading now about 5mins left
[12:25] <lool> I think favorites handling has changed; but there's no changelog
[12:26] <davmor2> make that 4minutes
[12:26] <persia> davmor2, Great.  Let me know if it isn't there, and stick casper.log in a bug.
[12:26] <davmor2> persia: np's
[12:31] <davmor2> transfering to usb now
[12:35] <ogra> sabdfl, the new notification system has probs with the clutter based launcher (the same probs you run into if you try to run compiz with the launcher, the composite handling of clutter clashes with other systems, njpatel can surely elaborate)
[12:36] <ogra> i think thats the reason why notifications are not there by default
[12:36] <ogra> lool, ^^^
[12:39] <ogra> (i'm only talking about notify-osd here btw ... we could probably add a gconf switch that anforces it to not run in composite mode (i.e. like it does in metacity), that should solve the probs)
[12:39] <ogra> *enforces
[12:40] <davmor2> sabdfl, lool, persia: The installer is it favourites next to pidgin
[12:41] <davmor2> It might benefit from being to right of the pidgin rather than the left
[12:41] <persia> That's where it belongs :)  Thanks for the confirmation.
[12:41] <persia> The order isn't preset: it comes from the sort order of the menu entry string values.  Since "Install" is before "Pidgin", it comes to the left.
[12:42] <davmor2> but I'm guessing it's cause it is in alphabetical that it is to the left
[14:23] <lool> ogra: this is not about the notification bubbles
[14:23] <lool> ogra: I've had this discussion with sabdfl already
[14:23] <lool> ogra: It's about the message indicator in the panel
[14:23] <ogra> lool, but we could make them work if notify-osd had a gconf key to switch to non-composite mode
[14:24] <lool> ogra: This is not about notify-osd
[14:24] <ogra> wouldnt look as pretty as composite ones, but we wouldnt lose the functionallity
[14:24] <ogra> i understand that
[14:25] <ogra> (thats why i added the line in brackets below :) )
[18:02] <ian_brasil> is there a how to on touch screens anywhere?