[00:36] evening [00:36] o/ [00:44] hello vorian [00:44] Hey jjesse [00:45] hey nhandler [01:01] claydoh: What should we say about Kubuntu in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [01:01] I am thinking about that right now actually [01:01] but my brain is on overload and lack of sleep [01:02] any significant changes? [01:02] do we recommend testing upgrades from hardy and intrepid? [01:03] * claydoh actually reads the page , ahem [01:05] claydoh: Please get back to slanagesek with some recommendations tomorrow. [01:06] Ok [01:06] Thanks. [01:12] ScottK: can we say we are a kde4-only release yet? [01:13] or something along those lines' [01:13] oo.o notwithstanding [01:24] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/137136/ <--how is this ? [01:26] s/building on/built upon (my humble opinion) [01:28] vorian: I agree [01:30] and perhaps s/new applications/updated applications maybe? [01:31] for the first time user, there will be new apps - i think the rest of what you wrote is great :) [01:31] thanks, vorian it looks better as well [01:31] but then again, my opion aint worth a whole lot [01:31] no problemo [01:32] why not? [01:32] * vorian jests [01:32] * claydoh is tired, been up since 3 AM, got home from work at 830 pm [01:33] * claydoh is a little punch-drunk right now :) [01:33] hehe [01:33] haven't done that kind of day since I was a young man === QlOfp]cF is now known as LjL === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx [02:33] so I have pacakged a plasmoid from kde-look.org ... how would I go about seeing if anyone wants in in the official repos? [02:36] shtylman: You can package it and put it up in your PPA for people to try it out [02:37] yea..its in my ppa [02:37] I got all that fun stuff done :) [02:37] shtylman: If you want to get it into the official repositories: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [02:37] However, it won't get added until the karmic repositories open up [02:41] nhandler: thanks [02:42] You're welcome shtylman [07:53] anyone have the link where one can give feedback on kubuntu beta? [07:53] namely bugs [07:53] someplace on launchpad? [07:57] pinbacker: If you have specific issues, you really should take them to the bug tracker in launchpad. That way they won't be forgotten [07:58] i was looking around and google seemed to lead me to post on forums [07:59] The forums are good if you have questions you need help with [10:01] Riddell: I'm starting the Kubuntu dvd 64bit [10:40] hey hello [10:41] I'm trying to compile my Qt Phonon application on Ubuntu 8.04, I made it on OpenSuSE and I have to adapt a load of stuff [10:41] but now it refuses to link against Phonon [10:42] I have include(${QT_USE_FILE} ${QT_USE_PHONON}) and target_link_libraries(commentvideoplayer ${QT_LIBRARIES} ${QT_PHONON_LIBRARY}) set [10:42] but it still does not link against Phonon [10:42] what should I do? [10:42] cvandonderen: did you check QT_PHONON_LIBRARY is not empty? [10:44] on my machine, QT_PHONO_LIBRARY is empty, but PHONON_LIBRARY is not [10:45] hmm [10:46] now it says -lphonon not found [10:46] but I have libphonon-dev installed [10:47] very strange [10:47] did you copy your src+build tree from the SuSE machine? [10:47] subversion ;-) [10:48] so did a check-in on the suse machine [10:48] and check out on the ubuntu machine [10:48] ok so the CMakeCache.txt does not come from SuSE [10:48] noope [10:48] deleted that all [10:48] and you have /usr/lib/libphonon.so [10:49] ? [10:49] no, it is normal ubuntu, so it is installed to /usr/lib/kde4/libphonon/libphonon.so, I did make a symlink for the headers though [10:50] so did ln -s /usr/lib/kde4/include/phonon /usr/include/ [10:50] cvandonderen: not a good idea i think [10:50] so now I have the /usr/include/phonon/videoplayer.h in the smae position as on SuSE [10:50] better get CMake to figure it out [10:50] hmm, yes [10:50] but how? [10:50] :-P [10:51] there is nop cmake-phonon package [10:51] and I have libqt4-dev installed [10:51] so all cmakefiles should be there [10:51] let me check the package contents [10:51] * agateau runs 9.04, not 8.04 [10:53] and if I remove the symlink for the phonon files, it does not even find the file :P [10:53] obviously [10:53] since I link against [10:53] yes, but with the symlink it may be fooled into believing phonon is installed in /usr [10:54] that's true [10:54] rather than /usr/lib/kde4 [10:54] so you need to either symlink headers and libs [10:54] but why did kubuntu make the choice to insatll it to /usr/lib/kde4? [10:54] then they have to change every file [10:54] that links against that [10:54] because it is where all kde4 stuff went for 8.04 [10:54] aah [10:54] in 9.04 it's in /usr [10:55] kay [10:55] so it's just because of 8.04 :P [10:55] i think so [10:55] hmm [10:55] you may want to try cmake vars like CMAKE_EXTRA_INCLUDE and CMAKE_EXTRA_LIBS (from memory) [10:55] and where do I need to point those? [10:56] because -lphonon is not found [10:56] :P [10:57] something like this: cmake -DCMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/libphonon [10:58] (found the real name with cmake --help-command find_library) [10:58] cvandonderen: for 8.04 we still had kde3; so all kde4 was 'redirected' to some non-standard directories ... if you use 8.10 or 9.04 instead, everything should become much easier [10:58] I just heard there is a broken partition on that PC [10:58] so I'll just do a kubuntu 9.04 install :P [11:01] thanks anyways :-D [11:01] ok, good luck [11:01] (and then to think I'm a Ubuntu NL support person ;-) ) [11:01] :) [11:41] go go CD testing! [11:45] Riddell: am am cd/dvd testing :) [12:07] * a|wen is trying to test upgrading ... 1,9 of 2,2 GB downloaded; still some hours to go [12:08] a|wen: from intrepid? [12:08] jup [12:08] a|wen: check if python-qt4-dbus works once the upgrade is done, it didn't for me [12:09] Riddell: you mean before or after the restart? [12:09] after [12:11] i'll check that ... if the download could just hurry up a bit... [12:16] blaaaah.. so tired it hurts [12:16] * seele wonders how she got through uni on so little sleep [12:16] working too hard? [12:18] Riddell: something like that.. never getting enough work done, that's for sure [12:24] i experience strange behaviour with desktop 386 in virtual box. after kde startet, some icons are missing. a haover over one of them later the screen turns black. krunner does not work. ctrl+alt+del does not work (ctrl+alt+backspace either, but that function is disabled by x, isn't it?) [12:27] when shutting down there are squashfs errors, i guess the iso is not correctly downloaded [12:29] mh, md5 is correct [12:33] blizzz: report them as bugs and note the result on iso.qa.ubuntu.com [12:35] Riddell: now, after restart, it looks fine so far [12:36] Riddell: should i report this anyway? [12:37] blizzz: what icons are missing? [12:39] Riddell: that were some plasma-widgets, but since the screen became black i could not detect which ones they were. however now, after reboot, everything is there. weird, isn't? [12:40] blizzz: well, report it anyway [12:50] Riddell: will do. bugs go over launchpad directly? special tags or something to use? [12:52] yes launchpad, note the number and report it on iso.qa.ubuntu.com [13:04] Riddell: done [13:22] Riddell: i've done several successful vm builds with the beta iso image with no problems so far [13:27] Riddell: I will be holding a KDE booth at a french exhibition at the end of the month. Any chance you could send me kubuntu goodies? [13:28] Riddell: also the gentleman for the article wrote back and we are working togetehr to get the article done [13:33] agateau: Rachel is the person for asking for CDs, details in company directory [13:34] Riddell: ok [13:34] jjesse: great. reported your results on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? [13:34] * agateau is a Canonical noob [13:34] Riddell: I will be at millbank building tomorrow, do you think i can grab some goodies directly from there? [13:36] agateau: not sure, ask katkin if there's anything in [13:36] Riddell: ok [13:46] Riddell: i will report my results [13:56] Riddell: sebas: call in 4 minutes? [13:58] Riddell: is kmail using up to 10% mem and 20% cpu a known bug? [13:59] rickspencer3: can do [13:59] kwwii: not that I know of [13:59] Riddell: ie, did some recent change create the bug or is it something else [13:59] Riddell: hrm, I updated this morning and since then it is pretty b0rked, but it might just be my local system [14:06] rickspencer3: I got him [14:06] Riddell: great [14:06] I'll set up the call again, if you still wants to join [14:06] rickspencer3: ok [14:08] Riddell: sebas: the call is set up === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [15:11] the default size of the dialog box saying "Do you want to start the upgrade?" is to small and cuts the text... is this something we already know? [15:12] has anyone else seen intermitant failure of middle button paste in jaunty? [15:16] a|wen: this one? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/9.04-upgrade/intrepid-upgrade-5.png [15:16] seaLne: I've not seen that except sometimes konsole's selection doesn't seem to end up in the clipboard [15:16] Riddell: exactly [15:16] seaLne: do you experience this failure only in konqueror? [15:17] konsole konq choqok [15:17] if mouse gestures are turned on middle click won't paste in konqueror [15:17] a|wen: looks fine in that screenshot, is that what you see? [15:17] no its not that [15:19] Riddell: doesn't the text end a bit abrupt in the image? but i see exactly what is on that picture [15:19] a|wen: mm it does a bit [15:20] a|wen: report a bug on update-manager [15:25] done, bug 348493 reported [15:25] Launchpad bug 348493 in update-manager "[kde] text cut in "package changes" dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348493 [16:14] Riddell: about bug 308060 [16:14] Launchpad bug 308060 in libmsn "Include libmsn in main" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308060 [16:14] maco: great post about Val, talk about inspiring and touching...damn near made me cry [16:15] I explained why I believe the code is ok, and tried to make it crash without success [16:15] don't know what i can do to make things move [16:15] nixternal: cry? [16:16] maco: you were that inspiring [16:16] I usually make nixternal cry by singing out of tune [16:17] agateau: I think I'll just upload with you patch after beta [16:17] Val's awesome though [16:18] Riddell: please don't, the patch is wrong, as Kees explained [16:18] seele: she was at the first DC LinuxChix meetup i went to. you were there, right? you guys were the first women i met IRL that use linux [16:19] maco: yes i was there [16:19] maco: did you read any stories val has on her website? that part about her biological father [16:19] nixternal: yes [16:20] that's what i was talking about, the touching part...my god that was horrible and to see the insane amount of strength [16:20] i think val was the first to introduce herself, and i went O_O when she said what she did, then the rest of you all said what you did and i was like "umm *hide* i just use it..." [16:20] maco: that was then, now look at ya [16:21] nixternal: like i said, she's tough [16:21] nixternal: blame wanting to fit in with the rest of the geniuses in linuxchix [16:22] most linuxchix i know are just users [16:22] oh, I have others to blame for you as well ;) [16:22] maybe you just have the smart ones as friends [16:22] hahahahaha [16:23] seele: well you, val, um...that lady that came with val, and katie all do cool stuff...and then there's the #linuxchix channel...if i have a problem #ubuntu-offtopic can't answer (it's often used as #ubuntu-advanced since #ubuntu focuses rather heavily on beginner stuff), i ask there [16:24] i wonder why chicago doesn't have a linuxchix [16:24] then again, when I think about it, we only have a few women who show up to lug meetings [16:24] nixternal: only 2 of us go to lug meetings [16:25] heh, this one lady, when she came to our lug meeting introduced herself as "the one who is here to break up the "He Man Woman Haters Club" [16:25] it took me until 2 months ago to realize that soft-spoken long-hair-lady at LUG and soft-spoken long-hair lady at LinuxChix are the same person [16:26] the funny part, only 3 of us knew what she was talking about [16:26] they never saw Little Rascals? :-O [16:26] people never watched the little rascals growing up [16:26] right [16:26] so I did "I love you Darla" [16:26] note that ive known her in both contexts for over TWO YEARS [16:27] i have done that myself [16:29] seele: oh yeah. so i think itd be nice to have a tech day for linuxchix to go along with all our social days. i was thinking a "how to contribute, even if you dont code" day would be neat. dan suggested "have linuxchix host it, then invite the lugs to learn from the chix" which sounded like a swell idea. would you be interested in teaching a usability workshop? [16:29] actually for me...there are 3 ladies that really got me into contributing again to open source after a hiatus. in Ubuntu it was hobbsee, in KDE it was annma, and in Debian it was ana...all 3 were team leaders who got me up and running big time just a few years back again [16:30] yeah i dunno.. i'm not really into the whole chick thing [16:30] that was sexist :p [16:30] i participate in dc linux chix because katie and laura have been my friends for a long time and i work with barbara [16:31] so it's more of a social gathering. justin and brian and sometimes other brian go to those things, so it's just an extension of our normal social geekery [16:32] nixternal: yeah well.. go out there and shoot me a deer or you get nothing for dinner! [16:32] nixternal: take the garbage on the way out too [16:32] rofl [16:33] seele: which one's barbara? curly hair? [16:33] maco: yes [16:33] jjesse: hey, why remove the part explaining universe & restricted? [16:33] and GODAMNIT when i can't click on the bubble to bring up the window [16:33] er, multiverse....er...2 of the 4 [16:33] maco: don't remember [16:33] * seele head > desks [16:33] make a note i'll put it back in [16:33] seele: notify-osd? [16:34] maco: no, i'm using regular notifications but it doesnt support clicking to bring up quassel [16:34] oh ok [16:34] so "not really into the whole chick thing" = why you're not in ubuntu-women? [16:34] or are you holding out for kubuntu women? [16:35] uhm.. pretty much why i dont do any women outreach stuff [16:35] heh no [16:35] is it a bug that d-i complains about a mounted filesystem (that i'm booted off) when i install from usb pendrive? [16:36] its suggestion of unmounting it woldn't have been a good idea :) [16:36] seaLne: its being discussed on ubuntu-devel, i think [16:37] seele: when does it happen? [16:37] nixternal: when does what happen? [16:37] ah, didn't think i'd have been the first to encounter it [16:37] err, sorry seele, i meant seaLne :) [16:37] just before the partitioning [16:38] ya, I have noticed that as well in the past, but not only with kubuntu...i have noticed it with anaconda based installers as well [16:38] wondering if it is parted [16:38] this is like the eventual day when me, mako, his gf mika, and her friend micha will be in the same room. its bound to happen eventually, just for the name-pronunciation tongue-twisting effects [16:38] jjesse: deb says when that day does happen, she's getting the heck out of the room :P [16:39] what? [16:39] jjesse: look one line up [16:39] go to penguicon [16:41] oh yeah...OLF people want me to go there and promote OLF [16:41] there was mako, mika, and moko [16:41] nixternal: don't suppose you'll make it to akademy this year? [16:41] seaLne: unless a miracle happens, probably not [16:41] that miracle being, a job of course and getting my parking ticket issue fixed so I can renew my passport :D [16:41] illinois is goofy....i can't even get a fishing license because of my parking ticket problem :) [16:41] no passport if you owe the government any money? [16:42] here in illinois it is like that [16:42] stupid chicago and their meter readers [16:43] nixternal: do you have traffic cameras? [16:43] oh ya, big time [16:43] yeah, DC is going to double the number they have in order to fill an 800 mil operating deficit [16:43] it doesn't fill that deficit....chicago is proof [16:44] nixternal: a pilot test "accidentally" earned 1 mil in 1 month because the ticket threshold was too low [16:44] the #1 rule breaker with the traffic cams, public busses [16:44] lol [16:44] and those tickets get paid by the tax payers [16:45] that seems silly for them to ticket public busses because then they will have to give them a travel subsidy at the end of the year for them to operate [16:45] in new york, don't mess with the cabbies, in chicago, don't mess with the busses...they do not stop for anything [16:46] nothing like getting clipped by a CTA bus while riding your bike [16:46] * ScottK recalls being in Philly and having a cabbie change lanes to force him to run back to the sidewalk when crossing. [16:47] ya, philly is insane too [16:48] nixternal: a bus splattered a bicyclist all over the road in front of a kubuntu-using restaurant here in dc (see? we're on topic) [16:48] last year [16:48] like 3 days after the same thing happened a half mile from there [16:58] Nightrose: just installed alternate 20090324.2 on my eee701 and network seems fine [17:01] seaLne: ohhh great [17:01] you didn't need to change anything? [17:02] nope [17:02] sweet [17:02] unrelated got a dbus error will see if i get it after a second boot, but got to go out just now [17:02] ok [17:02] cya :) [18:09] HELLO SOMEONE CAN HELP ME =? [18:10] Anyone know when digikam 0.10.0 for kde4 will be packaged for kubuntu? [18:13] needhelp: #kubuntu is a better channel for help. [18:14] =? [18:14] they say the same of here ^^ [18:14] This isn't a help channel, it's a development channel. [18:15] ;( [18:16] ercan: March 18th. [18:16] can u please give me some helper channel [18:16] plz [18:18] needhelp: What's your actual problem? [18:18] i have the original disk of ubuntu v 8.10 !! and when i try to boot dont appers on the system for chooise windows or ubuntu.. [18:19] im over windows7 [18:20] i can boot an d all but really i dont know what happend [18:23] you can boot into win7 or into ubuntu ? [18:25] nop [18:25] =? [18:25] nixternal: ping [18:25] this is my problem [18:26] when my lap need restar for ubuntu only appers windows [18:26] needhelp: I don't think 8.10 works with Windows 7. It'll be in next month's release (I'm pretty sure). [18:26] He is installing using Wubi? [18:27] Read the scrollback and you'll know exactly as much as I do. [18:28] yes wubi [18:28] so maybe i need back to windows vista = ;/ [18:30] hmm, anyone noticed that the binary clock plasmoid is set to 00:00 (no date) after a X restart? === milian_ is now known as milian [18:38] ScottK: thanks, I presume March 18th was for Jaunty. will it be backported to Intrepid? [18:40] ercan: It was. There was some discussion about that, but I don't recall the details. Lure (when he's around) would be the one to ask. [18:40] thanks. not in a major hurry, just looking forward to 0.10.0 [18:51] a|wen: ping [18:58] yay, i got kernel mode setting to work on kubuntu [18:59] only thing that xorg startup isn't flicker-free [18:59] it still switches off the display [19:11] hello [19:40] thnaks for all :D [19:47] Riddell: ping [19:48] hi ruphy [19:55] * JontheEchidna decided to start hacking a little on plasma [19:55] http://imagebin.ca/view/1s_big.html [19:56] Not bad for 10 mins, eh? The API is easy [19:56] Now I just have to figure out how to get the app name... Currently QuickLaunch just grabs the URL and Icon out of the desktop file [19:58] Riddell: --> private [20:06] blizzz: pong [20:07] a|wen: hi! you told me to report you problems with kile if they appear [20:07] since i have your ppa package installed [20:08] blizzz: yes [20:08] actually, kile likes to forget shortcuts by chance. [20:08] e.g. it forgets the settings for alt+1, quick build, as well as self-defined ones [20:09] okay, that sounds kind of strange [20:10] yes, i was kinda puzzled the first time i saw it [20:10] might it have happened after upgrading kile? or does it happen randomly [20:11] a|wen: randomly. same behaviour before and after the upgrade [20:12] blizzz: i've pushed some updates through the ppa, so wondered if it was after one of them? [20:13] a|wen: it occured with the first version i got from you and the current one. (originally i installed the deb, included your ppa today) [20:15] blizzz: okay ... i know that a lot of changes has happened to the upstream code since [20:16] blizzz: try with the newest one from the ppa (if you are running 8.10) ... if it still happens, please report a bug against kile in LP (the ppa-version is currently equivalent to the version in jaunty) [20:18] a|wen: it happens with the current version, too, (yes 8.10). [20:18] will do the bug report [20:18] blizzz: thx! [20:19] i thank you for the backports :) besides this, kile works very good, did a smaller thesis, a letter and a cv so far without any problems [20:20] At last! The Kopete notifications are going to stack. No more 135 notifications :D [20:21] blizzz: good, sounds very encouraging :) ... it should hopefully be good enough, as it is included in jaunty [20:23] i consider to upgrade on monday [20:23] * a|wen is at the last steps of his upgrade [20:29] and now i need that restart... [20:51] either a|wens machine is kinda slow or he has some problems with the upgrade.. [20:55] hmm... X wants to use ~100% cpu all the time in jaunty for me; slows everything down quite a lot [20:56] wb a|wen [20:56] a|wen: What video chipset? [20:56] the String Freeze is already in effect? [20:57] ScottK: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] ... using the open source ati driver [20:58] OK. No idea about that one. [20:59] a|wen: did you try closed drivers? [20:59] blizzz: they dont work with new xserver [21:02] my chipset never really worked with closed drivers in any case ... not well at least [21:05] and loads of garbage on screen most of the time [21:06] Too bad my comp is so old, I'm not able to work with desktop effects enabled :< [21:07] * kb9vqf sympathizes with a|wen [21:07] * kb9vqf has the same chipset [21:08] kb9vqf: same problem on jaunty [21:08] ? [21:08] a|wen With the closed drivers, I can't get the video to work at all [21:09] I have to use VESA, and KDE4.2 won't load at all [21:09] kb9vqf: what about open source drivers? [21:09] a|wen: No good, they don't work either [21:09] a|wen: Same garbled screen [21:10] I can give more details on the system if you want... [21:11] * a|wen can live with the garbled screen ... if just X would stop taking all his cpu cycles [21:11] a|wen: Which driver are you using? VESA or the open ati driver? [21:14] the open ati one [21:16] * Quintasan goes to bed, he really needs some sleep [21:18] just dropping a note, the "About Kubuntu" icon on the live CD desktop is broken [21:19] The file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist. [21:20] That could be a result of the docs being installed to the wrong dir, as they are with the current kubuntu-docs package [21:20] I think that is to be fixed next upload [21:21] ok [21:22] Thanks for reporting it anyways :) [21:22] and the boot menu isn't completely localized [21:22] for example "Check the CD for defects" stays in english [21:25] something more anoying, the ubiquity window doesn't fit in my 800x480 screen height [21:26] if i didn't know the alt+click shortcut, I wouldn't be able to go past the first step [21:41] decreasing virtual screen size helped a lot ... now it still eats a lot of cpu, but my comp is usable (still with loads of glitches) [21:42] Riddell: exactly what did you want me to test regarding python-qt4-dbus ? [21:43] * kb9vqf wonders why Juanty's KDE4.2 always loads into a black screen with only a mouse cursor [21:44] kb9vqf: got that once with the liveCD, no idea why. toasted another one and it was gone. [21:45] freinhard: This was with a direct upgrade from Intrepid [21:45] Maybe I'll try a livecd in this system and see if it works [21:45] kb9vqf: i had this once too, today [21:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/348434 [21:46] Ubuntu bug 348434 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Jaunty live cd lacks/does not display plasma-widgets, screen turns black" [Undecided,New] [21:47] Has anyone had this problem with an upgrade rather than the LiveCD? [21:47] I may need to reinstall Intrepid and try the upgrade again to see if something's broken [21:49] ug [21:49] that doesn't sound too good :) [21:51] ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement has been updated :) [21:52] hi, is bug #339902 on anyone's radar for jaunty? [21:52] Launchpad bug 339902 in notify-osd "notifications visible through the screensaver" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339902 [21:55] a|wen: you did an upgrade? [21:55] changing to XAA fixes both the cpu-drain and the screen garbage, yay! [21:55] Riddell: i did [21:56] a|wen: at a python shell type `import dbus.mainloop.qt` [21:56] does it work? [21:56] nope, i get "import dbus.mainloop.qt" [21:56] "ImportError: No module named qt" [21:56] mm, that's the bug [21:57] a|wen: do you have /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so ? [21:57] Riddell: nope, that one is missing [21:58] ScottK: Riddell: JontheEchidna:et al, what are the significant changes between alpha6 and beta? [21:58] do we recommend testing upgrades nyet? [21:58] just bugfixes mainly [21:58] s/yet/nyet [21:59] claydoh: do you have /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/_dbus/mainloop/qt.so ? [21:59] not claydoh [21:59] a|wen: do you have /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/_dbus/mainloop/qt.so ? [22:00] Riddell: that one is there, yes [22:00]