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rconan	anyone know why System->Preferences->Sound would fail to start?	00:05
o0Chris0o	hmw: Its listed in the right time zon, I think they just go by accuvu weather, instead of weather bug	00:09
Cycom	can anyone confirm bug 343067 for me?	00:18
ubottu	Launchpad bug 343067 in totem "Playing a DVD iso in totem causes the iso to be mounted in .gvfs and not played." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343067	00:18
Cycom	I'm a bit worried, since the person who assigned it basically said "works fine here" and doesn't seem to be subscribed to the bug...	00:20
rww	Heh. Using 2.6.29 from the kernel ppa decreases my boot time from 21 seconds to 13.	00:24
rww	Is that because Jaunty's kernel has a bunch of extra stuff in it, or is .29 an improvement over Jaunty's .28?	00:25
berniv6	rww: well, 2.6.29 got the first stage of parallel hardware initialization	00:27
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berniv6	"fastboot" project	00:28
dan457	Interesting, i'll have to look that up.	00:28
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rww	berniv6: The bootcharts seem to be showing longer times in wpa_supplicant (I have auto wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces) and hald on 2.6.28, so that'd make a lot of sense.	00:29
LordKow	2.6.29 likely doesnt have apparmor either... but i dont think apparmor would add 7 seconds to boot-time	00:29
rww	(since wifi startup and hal both involve hardware stuff, i guess)	00:30
rconan	annyone help me get sound going?	00:38
rconan	i have both sound cards appear in lspci, both modules loaded but neither work	00:38
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bruce89	UNR?	02:05
michaels	I have a question about unr too...	02:06
michaels	if to upgrade my preinstalled UNR dell mini 12 I install a daily jaunty UNR image, am I heading for a world of pain and driver trouble?	02:06
* bruce89 doesn't even know what UNR is		02:07
michaels	ubuntu netbook remix	02:07
michaels	a canonical-remixed version of ubuntu designed for netbooks	02:07
michaels	so... anyone here familiar with UNR jaunty?	02:10
bruce89	'fraid not, but hardware support should only be better than that of Intrepid	02:10
michaels	I'm just worried because the OEM version might be bundled with proprietary stuff	02:12
michaels	ah well, I probably won't be happy with such a limited system for long anyway, I'll give it a shot	02:12
nemo	lots of neat new stuff in this new kernel release that hit digg	02:13
nemo	2.6.29	02:14
nemo	I wonder what Jaunty final will be	02:14
crdlb	you mean what kernel version? 2.6.28	02:15
hggdh	too late to change to .29	02:34
gnomefreak	yeah	02:35
DanaG	michaels: take a look in synaptic to see what comes from a section with "dell" in the name.	02:43
DanaG	You might end up wanting to copy the existing sources.list to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dellmini.list -- or something like that.	02:44
michaels	DanaG, thanks	02:45
DanaG	For example, the hardy-hpmini repo happens to have some HP-specific stuff; if you keep both lists around, you'll get jaunty stuff where it's newer, and keep the Dell stuff.	02:45
michaels	no sections with "dell" in synaptics, but if it's just a matter of repos that shouldn't be a problem	02:48
michaels	how does the sources.list.d dir work? any .list files in there get read for repos as well?	02:48
maxb	that's the general pattern with .d directories	02:50
DanaG	Is it a specific dell-mini install, or just general UNR?	02:50
michaels	specific, oem	02:50
michaels	but I'm installing a general jaunty over it	02:51
michaels	the repos are all dell repos	02:51
daskreech	I give up	02:51
daskreech	how do you logout of Gnome?	02:51
michaels	and most repos I try to add don't work	02:51
bruce89	daskreech: fusa	02:52
daskreech	I have fuser :)	02:53
daskreech	Fusa doesn't seem to be in the repos	02:53
bruce89	fast-user-switch-applet	02:54
daskreech	bruce89: Is there a dbus call to initate logout of Gnome?	02:54
daskreech	Oh I have no mouse	02:55
bruce89	ah	02:55
* bruce89 can't remember how you get the focus of panel applets		02:55
daskreech	Something is messed up with X so I have 1/4 of my screen hanging off the left of the monitor and the Mouse doesn't work	02:55
daskreech	And alt+Ctrl+backspace is gone	02:55
daskreech	sooooo	02:55
daskreech	I figured there must be some way to logout	02:56
bruce89	I think alt+sysreq+k works	02:56
bruce89	clearly	02:56
michaels	lol	02:56
daskreech	Thanks I'll have to remember that	02:57
Halow	If you install the "dontzap" package and use it with --disable flag, you can use ctrl+alt+bcksp again.	02:58
daskreech	Yeah I knew that	02:58
billisnice	I think they should go ahead and use the Linux kernel 2.6.29...Two things Canonical should implement immediately if stable--more drivers and speed improvements unless it is LTS...	02:58
daskreech	but I figured there must be some otehr emergency procedure	02:58
daskreech	and I'm just veryused to being able to logout via the keyboard	02:59
daskreech	It's so much faster	02:59
daskreech	bruce89: If you remmeber how to access the fusa menu by keyboard let me know	03:00
daskreech	remember	03:00
DanaG	wow, double-negative.	03:00
DanaG	dontzap --disable....	03:00
DanaG	yeah, confusing.	03:00
Halow	Very. LOL	03:00
daskreech	!zap	03:03
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about zap	03:03
daskreech	Liar	03:03
michaels	!nothing	03:03
ubottu	Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.	03:03
michaels	:(	03:03
michaels	!anything	03:03
ubottu	So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.	03:03
DanaG	!nuttin'	03:03
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about nuttin'	03:03
michaels	:)	03:03
michaels	XD	03:04
michaels	!nuffin'	03:04
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about nuffin'	03:04
DanaG	!apt	03:04
ubottu	APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)	03:04
DanaG	!yum	03:04
ubottu	Uh, don't you mean !apt ?	03:04
DanaG	!botsnack	03:04
ubottu	Yum! Err, I mean, APT!	03:04
* DanaG is done.		03:04
* michaels is amused		03:04
daskreech	!test	03:05
ubottu	sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.	03:05
daskreech	!ping	03:06
ubottu	ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore	03:06
daskreech	ok	03:06
daskreech	how do I apt-install something already installed?	03:06
DanaG	oh yeah, watch out: in #ubuntu channels, ctcp == ban.	03:06
daskreech	I want to --download-only a set of packages I already have installed	03:06
daskreech	--force-yes isn't working :(	03:07
DanaG	hmm, might need to pass --reinstall	03:07
daskreech	doh	03:07
daskreech	of course	03:07
DanaG	I usuaLLY use just plain 'aptitude reinstall'	03:10
DanaG	with a sudo, of course.	03:10
quentusrex	Anyone know how to uninstall an apt package upgrade?	03:36
daskreech	quentusrex: Huh?	03:46
quentusrex	nvm	03:46
X-Seti	I have no sound after upgrading, given i have mixed error messages from what ever i do to fix this, im not sure what to do next.. menu drop speaker icon being up a massive error, that doesnt make sense	04:00
PhotoJim	did you try reconfiguring alsa?	04:00
PhotoJim	just a hunch. that's the first thing I would try.	04:01
X-Seti	yep, pref > sound this just crashes	04:01
PhotoJim	a reconfigure of alsa didn't help?	04:02
X-Seti	nop	04:02
X-Seti	long error message so ill screen grab	04:03
PhotoJim	hmm. not sure. hopefully someone else here will have some advice.	04:03
crdlb	I just found sound broken here after the latest update. I had to reboot to fix it	04:04
* DanaG sometimes has to open pavucontrol and mute and unmute the card to get sound.		04:04
X-Seti	wish it was that easy	04:05
PhotoJim	the only machine I'm running Jaunty on is my Acer Aspire One... other than some fussing to get the WiFi working it's been fine.	04:05
RAOF	DanaG: If you want to build nouveau mesa, you'll need to pass a bunch of ./configure arguments.	04:05
* RAOF has just done this, so knows what they are.		04:06
X-Seti	http://i43.tinypic.com/29yrwis.png	04:06
X-Seti	pic says all	04:06
DanaG	I passed --enable-nouveau-gallium (or whatever it was), and got some missing rule in some Makefile, or such.	04:06
X-Seti	i upgraded to try and fix a problem i noticed on ibex, with printers, thats fixed, but no sound?	04:07
RAOF	Yeah. You need to also pass --with-state-trackers=glx,dri2 (at least)	04:07
RAOF	My line is: ./configure --disable-gallium-intel --enable-gallium-nouveau --with-dri-drivers= --with-state-trackers=glx,g3dvl,dri2	04:07
RAOF	For added XvMC.	04:08
X-Seti	ok, so im recompiling asla again?	04:08
RAOF	X-Seti: "I upgraded to try and fix a problem and..." is a really bad idea :)	04:08
bluefoxicy	help	04:08
bluefoxicy	I need to log out	04:08
bluefoxicy	system menu doesn't have Log Off anymore	04:08
DanaG	I want to also keep the radeon dri on that one.	04:08
bluefoxicy	what the fuck did you people break this time?	04:08
RAOF	gnome-session-save	04:08
X-Seti	RAOF, I know, Hardy was nice	04:09
RAOF	DanaG: Oh. THen you'll want to have radeon in the --with-dri-drivers.	04:09
crdlb	poor RAOF	04:09
DanaG	wait, why do you have nothing in with-dri-drivers?	04:09
* bluefoxicy needs more swear words, he cannot satisfactorily express how very much is wrong with this right now		04:09
RAOF	DanaG: Because I don't want to spend the time building them. Nouveau doesn't have a (standard) dri driver, just the gallium.	04:09
X-Seti	i could try and force everything back to hardy, change everything in sources.list to hardly and update	04:09
bluefoxicy	Qu'vatlh ghuy'cha jay'!	04:10
RAOF	X-Seti: That won't work. The packages you have installed now have a higher version.	04:10
RAOF	bluefoxicy: You saw "gnome-session-save", yes?	04:10
bluefoxicy	RAOF: yes, but that is not in the menu	04:10
RAOF	bluefoxicy: Also, logout is found in the fast-user-switch-applet.	04:10
bluefoxicy	am I expected to type that at a terminal TO LOG OFF?	04:10
crdlb	click on your name	04:10
* bluefoxicy looks for fast user... oh, his name is in the top right		04:10
DanaG	It really should be in BOTH places.	04:10
bluefoxicy	wow that's cool	04:10
* crdlb has having trouble getting used to it ...		04:10
X-Seti	since im on JJ I might aswell make the most of it	04:10
DanaG	I want FUSA to have guest session....	04:11
bluefoxicy	but who the hell decided to pull that OUT OF THE MENU?	04:11
DanaG	... but I want the danged logout in the danged SYSTEM MENU!	04:11
* bluefoxicy logs out and logs back in		04:11
DanaG	It seems I can't have both without RECOMPILING.	04:11
crdlb	too much caps	04:11
DanaG	Too much regression!	04:11
crdlb	that's better	04:11
DanaG	=þ	04:11
RAOF	crdlb: You've got an ATI card... have you tried the new gallium driver?	04:11
X-Seti	RAOF, skipping back to the ./configure etc, what folder am i meant to be in for that to work	04:12
* DanaG has an R600 on one system and an NV G73 on the other.		04:12
RAOF	X-Seti: Oh, that configure line wasn't for you. That was for DanaG, who wants to make glxgears draw a black window _really fast_.	04:13
DanaG	And an NV17 in yet another laptop. And a couple of Savages, too.	04:13
crdlb	RAOF: it's an RV200 :/	04:13
X-Seti	k	04:13
RAOF	crdlb: Oooh. Too old by one generation!	04:13
crdlb	RAOF: two	04:13
RAOF	r300 is the gallium driver, though. Isn't rv200 the previous generation to that?	04:13
crdlb	it's an r100, yay ATI	04:13
X-Seti	well i do not want to wipe and start again, there is way to much on here, to undo like that	04:14
bluefoxicy	okay next pokay next point of confusion	04:15
X-Seti	ill search the forums again	04:15
bluefoxicy	I have Hardy on my laptop	04:15
bluefoxicy	I want to update to Jaunty	04:15
RAOF	X-Seti: I don't really know about your audio problem. I'd suggest checking that pulseaudio is running, that you've got ubuntu-desktop installed, and that you've got gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio installed.	04:15
bluefoxicy	update-manager -d wants to update to 8.10	04:15
bluefoxicy	how do I force?	04:15
crdlb	bluefoxicy: you can't skip	04:15
bluefoxicy	crdlb: to beta, or to any?	04:15
tomsdale	anyone noticed on kubuntu jaunty that you can't move files into the trash in the desktop folder plasmoid?	04:15
bruce89	bluefoxicy: you aren't on 8.04?	04:15
RAOF	crdlb, bluefoxicy: You can only skip to LTS releases. You'll need to go Hardy -> Intrepid -> Jaunty.	04:15
X-Seti	RAOF, im wondering weather there could be some old config files knocking around	04:15
crdlb	bluefoxicy: any, except LTS->LTS	04:15
DanaG	heh, I remember seeing a friend's desktop with WinME and a "Radeon VE" -- I assume that's 7500, or is that 7000?	04:16
crdlb	700, I think	04:16
crdlb	7000	04:16
bluefoxicy	nods.	04:16
DanaG	I told him that, yo, you should update the drivers, at the very least. =þ	04:16
bluefoxicy	annoying but understandable.	04:16
RAOF	X-Seti: Possibly ~/.asoundconf	04:16
* bluefoxicy decides to force it.		04:16
DanaG	Just the fact that it was called a VE implies that the drivers were really, really old. =þ	04:16
tomsdale	crdlb: so can I upgrade directly from hardy to 10.04	04:16
X-Seti	well i have to fix this before my wife gets on, or its back to windows.	04:17
X-Seti	brb	04:17
bluefoxicy	apt-get -d is download-only right?	04:17
X-Seti	Going to mass uninstall stuff.	04:17
crdlb	tomsdale: if that is LTS as expected, yes	04:18
X-Seti	I cant wreck this anymore, then it is :D	04:18
* bluefoxicy decides to file a bug against the boot screen.		04:18
bluefoxicy	it needs to show more information during boot-up	04:18
crdlb	there isn't actually a requirement that they happen every 2 years	04:18
DanaG	RAOF: what is with-state-trackers?	04:18
bluefoxicy	just enough to convince the user the system's doing "something"	04:18
daskreech	X-Seti: Ha ha ha ha so much to learn :)	04:18
daskreech	crdlb: Yes there is	04:18
tomsdale	that's great - I didn't know that. Important to tell to clients.	04:18
X-Seti	im going to try and force this back to ibex	04:19
crdlb	RAOF: I did try gnome-shell though :)	04:19
DanaG	google for apt pinning / apt preferences.	04:19
DanaG	It's a royal pain to do... but it's possible. Just severe risk of breakage if you don't know what you're doing.	04:19
RAOF	DanaG: So... gallium has 3 systems. (1) The winsys, which does the integration into the actual windowing system (ie: glx, wgl, egl, etc).	04:19
X-Seti	daskreech, learning isnt a problem, its fixing weird errors, you cant find anything about on ubuntu forums.	04:19
X-Seti	this is a first for me	04:19
RAOF	DanaG: (2) The hardware-specific drivers, whose name escapes me.	04:19
DanaG	make[5]: Entering directory `/home/dana/downloads/nouveau/mesa/src/mesa/drivers/dri/intel'	04:19
DanaG	make[5]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.	04:19
daskreech	Maybe step outside the boundaries of the forums then?	04:20
daskreech	noooo	04:20
daskreech	Damn 4.3 Envy	04:20
X-Seti	daskreech, im at a loss	04:20
crdlb	daskreech: I guess I missed that memo	04:20
RAOF	DanaG: (3) The state trackers, which implement the actual APIs. So there's an opengl statetracker, a XvMC statetracker, a D3D state tracker, etc.	04:20
daskreech	crdlb: Probably	04:20
bluefoxicy	has anyone else noticed desktop effects breaks the workspace switcher applet wholesale?	04:21
bluefoxicy	it'll only show 1 row of desktops	04:21
bluefoxicy	if you do 4x4 rows, it becomes 0 columns wide	04:21
bluefoxicy	i.e. you can't navigate it by mouse, just keyboard combos.	04:21
crdlb	works fine here	04:21
RAOF	DanaG: What's your configure line?	04:22
DanaG	ah, I see.. just "intel" isn't enough.	04:22
crdlb	there are some visual glitches with multiple rows though	04:22
X-Seti	hardy, ibex had no hardware detechion issues.	04:22
DanaG	./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --enable-gallium-nouveau --with-dri-drivers=i810,i915,i965,intel,r300,radeon,swrast --with-state-trackers=glx,g3dvl,dri2	04:22
DanaG	added the i### this round.. not sure of result yet.	04:22
daskreech	http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=117848	04:22
DanaG	previous was without i###	04:22
daskreech	X-Seti: so what was the motivation to jump to Jaunty pre beta on an in-use machine ?	04:23
bluefoxicy	crdlb: yeah	04:23
RAOF	DanaG: You're going to be installing this system-wide. Brave man.	04:23
bluefoxicy	crdlb: I have 4x4, but the applet itself displays just a piece of crap in my panel	04:23
X-Seti	wanted to try it out	04:23
DanaG	If it fails, I just purge and reinstall stuff.	04:23
DanaG	No sweat.	04:23
DanaG	And that nouveau is my secondary system.	04:23
crdlb	bluefoxicy: it works fine, except when you click, it sometimes shifts the rows for a moment	04:24
DanaG	s/my/a/	04:24
X-Seti	daskreech, also was having printer issues, cups not being installing currectly	04:24
DanaG	My primary system is the one with the RV635; no mesa to speak of.	04:24
crdlb	except in the moment that you're switching, it looks fine	04:24
X-Seti	printer works now,.	04:24
bluefoxicy	crdlb: for me it's just useless	04:24
daskreech	X-Seti: :-D	04:24
crdlb	bluefoxicy: I'm still missing what's wrong	04:24
DanaG	nope, still doesn't like inte.	04:25
DanaG	intel.	04:25
X-Seti	daskreech, wifes ganna kill me, as she shes this for work and skype	04:25
DanaG	Basically, I want the nouveau thing to experiment, but I want all the other drivers to be stock.	04:25
X-Seti	daskreech, I use this comp for hosting sites aswell, so reinstalling isnt really an option	04:26
crdlb	:/	04:26
DanaG	random: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LSGnycsyeI4/SRYHKVbp8VI/AAAAAAAAAg0/Qn7MBd8B6Pw/s1600-h/plush_cat.jpg	04:26
crdlb	you're not supposed to use jaunty on production machines	04:26
DanaG	It IS possible to downgrade; I've done it. It's just quite very extremely unsupported.	04:26
daskreech	X-Seti: That's pretty ballsy :)	04:26
daskreech	And likely to be flakey	04:26
DanaG	In fact, I've done that several times. Each time it took a few hours mucking around in aptitude, after putting a preferences file in place.	04:27
bluefoxicy	why the hell does Pidgin's buddy list task tray button stay no matter what desktop I'm on?!	04:27
X-Seti	im uninstalling stuff, then ill change the sources.list to ipex	04:27
RAOF	DanaG: Why don't you just drop the intel DRI drivers completely?	04:27
X-Seti	see if i can get back to ibex..	04:27
daskreech	bluefoxicy: cause of the sysicon ?	04:27
DanaG	I may usb-boot on an Intel.	04:27
RAOF	Ah.	04:29
DanaG	Same as why I want r300 driver.	04:29
DanaG	I can usb-boot on a lab PC.	04:29
RAOF	DanaG: How about if you just drop the --with-dri-drivers bit entirely? It defaults to all on.	04:29
bluefoxicy	crdlb: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2565/screenshot6.png	04:29
bluefoxicy	crdlb: see the thing next to the trash icon?	04:29
bluefoxicy	that's 4x4 desktops.	04:30
crdlb	that looks rather proken	04:30
crdlb	broken*	04:30
bluefoxicy	I logged out and logged back in and it didn't fix it.	04:30
bluefoxicy	this is with any visual effects (basic or extra)	04:30
crdlb	does the preferences actually let you set the columns and rows?	04:30
bluefoxicy	yes	04:30
bluefoxicy	though if you change your visual effects settings here, it sets it to 16 columns and 1 row	04:31
X-Seti	upgrade, well it took	04:31
X-Seti	no errors	04:32
bluefoxicy	man	04:32
bluefoxicy	everything's always at 100% CPU usage and takes forever	04:32
X-Seti	looks like back to ibex	04:32
bluefoxicy	top says trackerd is working its ass off	04:32
X-Seti	weird, ubuntu version unknown	04:34
bruce89	sudo aptitude remove tracker	04:37
X-Seti	just read the topic :D	04:40
X-Seti	back to ibex :D	04:40
crdlb	X-Seti: you didn't realize it wasn't supported?	04:42
X-Seti	i wasnt to sure, know it was a dev release someone might have known something towards hardware issues	04:42
DanaG	woooooooooooah, compiz is working on that nouveau!	04:47
DanaG	Sweet.	04:47
DanaG	oh, but it's crashing upon doing.. well, almost anything. =þ	04:48
crdlb	wait, really?	04:48
DanaG	Well, some of it is.	04:49
X-Seti	everything that worked on Hardly, just upgrading as I went, worked on Jaunty	04:50
DanaG	It seems certain animations (such as lamp and vacuum) work, but others (such as "dream") crash Xorg.	04:50
DanaG	Water even works, surprisingly.	04:50
DanaG	[13185.799574] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - nSource: PROTECTION_ERROR, nStatus: INVALID_STATE	04:51
DanaG	[13185.799584] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - Ch 3/5 Class 0x309e Mthd 0x0184 Data 0x00000000:0x0000b484	04:51
DanaG	[13185.799627] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - nSource: LIMIT_COLOR, nStatus: INVALID_STATE PROTECTION_FAULT	04:51
DanaG	[13185.799633] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - Ch 3/6 Class 0x3089 Mthd 0x040c Data 0x00000000:0x00000000	04:51
DanaG	er, sorry, too many lines.	04:52
DanaG	Tremulous locks up the X server, though.	04:53
DanaG	heh, I can ssh in and SAK.	04:54
DanaG	http://pastebin.com/f3f210a23	04:55
DanaG	I see... creating ANY new window crashes it.	05:05
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RAOF	DanaG: Is this nouveau-gallium? :)	05:06
DanaG	yeah.	05:06
RAOF	The second glxgears window did lock X for me, with a nice side-order of framebuffer corruption.	05:07
RAOF	The first one worked, though. It just was all-black.	05:08
DanaG	hmm, gtkperf on 1280x1024 (stupid crt thinks 1280x960 is "too correct" for it).... 11.5 or so seconds..	05:10
* DanaG now tries with nvidia.		05:10
DanaG	Note: for same theme and everything, my radeon is 10.5 or so. Damn close.	05:11
RAOF	DanaG: Is gtkperf packaged anywhere?	05:11
rww	!info gtkperf \| RAOF	05:11
ubottu	gtkperf (source: gtkperf): GTK+ performance benchmark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40+ds-1 (jaunty), package size 26 kB, installed size 132 kB	05:12
RAOF	That'll do. It wasn't last time I checked ;)	05:12
DanaG	=þ	05:12
DanaG	now, on a savage athlonxp, the same thing takes 30 seconds. =þ	05:12
rww	DanaG: How do I use gtkperf? Just run it and hit Start?	05:13
DanaG	Yeah. Perhaps maximize it for consistent size, though.	05:14
DanaG	odd: when I boot, my system drops from usplash back to text mode -- EVERY time.	05:15
DanaG	At the same point, too: right where it runs fsck.ext4.	05:15
DanaG	nvidia: 12.34 with metacity, 17.34 with compiz.	05:19
DanaG	And for some reason, I can't even see it doing the scroll test.	05:19
DanaG	In fact, instead of seeing the scroll test, I see the window go "boooooiiiing"	05:21
DanaG	I have wobble on beep set... and apparently scrolling makes it beep.	05:21
DanaG	So, you get the effect of 100 beeps at once.	05:21
Alexia_Death	Okay. now pulse is completley broken ...	05:35
Alexia_Death	Only cracles.	05:35
o0Chris0o	yup	05:36
o0Chris0o	join #alsa	05:36
o0Chris0o	try to speak to dtchen	05:36
Alexia_Death	About ubuntu PA poblems?	05:37
Amaranth	Alexia_Death: I get that sometimes after pausing video	05:37
Alexia_Death	I get it all the time	05:38
Alexia_Death	recently	05:39
LordKow	i usually get it when there is a lot of other stuff going on... like sometimes the login sound will crackle slightly	05:40
LordKow	if i'm doing a lot of hard-drive writing while playing something it may crackle slightly.	05:40
LordKow	the audio that is. would def be bad if my hard drive was crackling.	05:40
jscinoz	irssi + screen + bitlbee + notify-osd = AWESOME	06:02
Hobbsee	hehe	06:03
Hobbsee	indeed!	06:03
jscinoz	now if only there was some way for dbus to work over ssh	06:03
jscinoz	so when i reconnected from elsewhere the notify-osd popups would appear there	06:03
jscinoz	now that i think about it it probably is possible	06:04
DanaG	Now if only (pointer to my previous rants)! =þ	06:05
bruce89	queuing	06:05
JanC	dbus can work over TCP/IP	06:05
jscinoz	wut	06:05
JanC	(by design, don't know if it was implemented though :P )	06:06
skyl	have people been marching in the streets over the new desktop look yet?	06:06
skyl	hey, maybe I could make one? where would I send it?	06:07
rww	skyl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork	06:08
DanaG	My old laptop and my new laptop both take 45 seconds to boot.	06:37
DanaG	ARGH!	06:38
DanaG	Disabling my Intel card with its killswitch... should NOT disable all other wifi cards!	06:38
sparr	DanaG: then change the script that runs when you flip the switch?	06:41
DanaG	It's not an acpi script; it's HAL.	06:41
sparr	the idea of that switch is to conserve battery life by disabling wifi... kinda silly to have it if you have multiple cards	06:41
DanaG	I also have another use case: if you have two wifi cards, and you want to force it to use an alternate one.	06:42
quietas	from a clean 8.10 64-bit server install, what is the easiest way to do a network upgrade to 9.04?	06:42
quietas	the jaunty page says do-release-upgrade, but that says no =)	06:43
DanaG	http://www.nabble.com/wireless-hardware-disable-switch-forbids-the-use-of-external-wifi-cards-td21988186.html	06:43
DanaG	"Second, it's not really possible to match up rfkill switches with specific wireless devices. " --- BULL!	06:44
DanaG	On some cards, it IS possible... and on those cards.. they should do it.	06:44
DanaG	Not ignore cards that have per-device switches just because _some_ don't have them.	06:44
DanaG	"So in the case of, say, Intel 3945 cards, which are in millions of laptops, the switch actually kills the intel radio directly. Thus when the switch is turned off, we don't always know which radios can be un-killed by software, and which can be unkilled by hardware. "	06:45
DanaG	Is it just me, or does this sound like broken logic?	06:45
DanaG	Because it kills the Intel radio directly..... then you DO know... that that's one that can't be software-unkilled!	06:46
DanaG	Yeah... broken reasoning.	06:48
DanaG	". For starters, "rfkill" means "turn the radio off", and that's	06:50
DanaG	exactly what NetworkManager does. It turns off the radios. "	06:50
DanaG	switch says to turn of THE (i.e. ONE) radio... and it says, "screw that, I'm killing them all!"	06:50
DanaG	s/of/off/	06:50
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maco	ive got an odd problem with kontact. its not showing any mail between "january" and "last week" i'm using imap and the mails are definitely on the server. anyone else seeing this sort of weirdness?	07:05
maco	oh...wait...looks like gmail is being odd	07:14
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DanaG	grr, stupid NetworkManager... assumes that oh, nobody could POSSIBLY be already running a dnsmasq server on their system already!	07:28
DanaG	So, if you try to create an ad-hoc network... it tries to start a new dnsmasq... and of course fails -- address already in use!	07:28
scizzo-	moin	08:51
peppot	where to make device permissions permanent in jaunty?	09:01
vega_	peppot: probably /etc/udev/rules.d/*	09:02
peppot	hm., there is no preexisting permissions rule file	09:02
vega_	/etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules	09:02
vega_	seems to contain something	09:02
peppot	not here	09:02
vega_	hm, sorry this was 8.10	09:03
vega_	wrong machine..	09:03
vega_	/lib/udev/rules.d has something in jaunty	09:11
leche	hey, is there any plan to change the gdm theme till the artwork freeze?	09:15
raddy	Hello everybodu	09:23
raddy	Hello everybody	09:23
raddy	Will Jauny Jackalope have new theme?	09:23
BUGabundo	gnomefreak: ping	09:25
BUGabundo	good morning guys and galls	09:25
BUGabundo	dtchen: ping. are you around?	09:27
BUGabundo	cwillu: hi. have I missed in this last few days?	09:28
scizzo-	morning BUGabundo	09:28
BUGabundo	hey scizzo-	09:28
BUGabundo	same question to you	09:29
BUGabundo	this room is getting bigger	09:29
BUGabundo	200+ members	09:29
scizzo-	BUGabundo: hmmm mostly seen people complaining about home directories being removed and radeon and nvidia stuff	09:29
BUGabundo	what ? removed dirs?	09:29
BUGabundo	when did that happen?	09:29
scizzo-	BUGabundo: someone a yesterday or something like that had his/her homedir removed....don't know much more I just saw it in the channel	09:30
scizzo-	BUGabundo: do not know if this was a upgrade for kernel stuff or whatever it was	09:30
scizzo-	BUGabundo: just something I saw	09:31
BUGabundo	okay	09:31
BUGabundo	thanks for the update	09:31
BUGabundo	also what's up with NV?	09:31
Hobbsee	scizzo-: er, did anyone actually file a bug about that / track that down?	09:31
BUGabundo	its working fine here	09:31
raddy	Will Jaunty Jackalope have new theme?	09:31
BUGabundo	good morning Hobbsee	09:31
Hobbsee	hey BUGabundo	09:31
BUGabundo	raddy: AFAIK no	09:31
scizzo-	Hobbsee: Like I said....I just saw it in here where someone was doing a upgrade or something	09:32
Hobbsee	hm. that's a bit worrying.	09:32
BUGabundo	yeah	09:32
raddy	BUGabundo : Ohhh No	09:32
scizzo-	Hobbsee: I don't wanna say to much I just had thought about EXT4 and those things in my head	09:33
Hobbsee	hm, OK	09:33
scizzo-	maybe check a backlog?	09:33
Hobbsee	i don't have it in mine, maybe it was in overnight.	09:33
* scizzo- checks his own		09:33
Hobbsee	scizzo-: if that's going to hit a number of people as they dist-upgrade, that's not good - so tracking it down with people would be lovely, if you could	09:34
BUGabundo	specially before BETA	09:34
scizzo-	I see that god-mok was here....he said something about homedir being gone	09:34
scizzo-	I will pastebin	09:35
BUGabundo	if it is that serious and reproducble we will have to delay it	09:35
BUGabundo	thanks scizzo-	09:35
scizzo-	http://pastebin.com/m6e4a63bf	09:35
BUGabundo	bah	09:35
BUGabundo	not much details	09:36
Hobbsee	hm, useless.	09:36
scizzo-	my irssi is being stupid also	09:36
BUGabundo	could have been a fluke	09:36
BUGabundo	or etx4 related	09:36
scizzo-	it does not log to much really	09:36
BUGabundo	unless a 2nd user confirms it	09:36
BUGabundo	I would forget it	09:36
scizzo-	IMO it seems to be a EXT3 -> EXT4 if it is any problem at all	09:37
Hobbsee	BUGabundo: ext4 isn't that unstable. But it could have well been the bug with ext4 filesystems and crashes and 0-byte files	09:37
Ademan	uh, so file-roller doesn't seem to want to extract eGDM.tar.gz from eGDM_3_by_DanRabbit.zip obtainable from here: http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/eGDM-3-98073192 can anyone confirm? (right clicking the file and selecting extract or hitting the extract button on the toolbar with the file selected will both behave the same, brings up the dialog, but the dialog will not respond when you finally hit the "extract" button) Als	09:38
Ademan	o note that "Extract Here" in nautilus still works	09:38
WatchBot	Ademan: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.	09:38
Hobbsee	LjL: bad hit ^	09:38
Hobbsee	Ademan: hrm. how does one actually download that?	09:39
scizzo-	nope sorry can't find more information	09:39
scizzo-	sorry...	09:39
Ademan	Hobbsee: on the left there's a Download with a little icon next to it	09:40
Hobbsee	oh. that one	09:40
Hobbsee	how obtuse	09:40
Hobbsee	Ademan: can't reproduce either way. Are you sure it finished downloading before you tried extracting it?	09:41
Ademan	Hobbsee: yeah, I tried re-downloading it as well, although it's possible firefox just cached it, lemme wget it and try again, one sec	09:42
Hobbsee	oh. you need to actually put in a filename, if you hadn't.	09:42
Ademan	hrm	09:42
Hobbsee	(it wants you to give it a name for the folder it extracts into)	09:42
Hobbsee	which isn't so clear	09:42
Ademan	yeah	09:42
Ademan	is that the way it's always been?	09:42
Hobbsee	i'm not sure, i don't usually do it that way - but I think it has ever since i've been using gnome (ie, gutsy)	09:43
Ademan	I don't tend to actually open file-roller so much as use the extract here functionality, but that doesn't seem familiar to me	09:43
Ademan	hrm	09:43
Hobbsee	i remember finding that odd before	09:43
Hobbsee	so it's certainly nto new	09:43
Ademan	hrm, well sorry for acting like it was a bug then haha	09:44
Hobbsee	no problem ;)	09:44
* Ademan is off to bug gnome devs		09:44
Ademan	lol	09:44
Hobbsee	it may well be a bug ;)	09:44
Hobbsee	just not one for ubuntu, and one that's been there for a while ;)	09:44
Ademan	hahah	09:44
scizzo-	where can I find more information about the development of notify-osd more then launchpad?	09:44
BUGabundo	Hobbsee: I know that ext4 is not that unstable	09:45
BUGabundo	I've been keeping in the loop	09:45
BUGabundo	and am one of those that doesn't blame ext4 for the end of the world	09:45
Ademan	lol	09:45
BUGabundo	and even try to explain to ppl that its not that buggy	09:45
Hobbsee	scizzo-: #dx, perhaps, but it's not terribly transparent to anyone except those writing it :(	09:46
Hobbsee	scizzo-: there might be a ML as well	09:46
Hobbsee	BUGabundo: heh	09:46
scizzo-	Hobbsee: aaa thanks	09:46
scizzo-	oooo right	09:49
scizzo-	BUGabundo: there was some talk about IPv6 enabling/disabling also yesterday I believe	09:49
scizzo-	BUGabundo: think that it was bug reported also	09:49
BUGabundo	scizzo-: see the specs in the wiki	09:49
BUGabundo	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Comments and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/	09:50
BUGabundo	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines	09:50
scizzo-	BUGabundo: cheers	09:50
BUGabundo	scizzo-: I thought IPv6 bug had been fixed.... bah	09:50
BUGabundo	jaunty was supposed to a be a bug fix release	09:51
scizzo-	!bug #313218	09:51
ubottu	Launchpad bug 313218 in glibc "IPV6 causes slow internet access" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313218	09:51
BUGabundo	now we are swanped in bugs	09:51
scizzo-	hmmm	09:51
BUGabundo	even the new fonts and DPI have been reverted	09:51
BUGabundo	audio is going to be fixed as SRU	09:51
BUGabundo	FF 3.5 won't come in	09:51
BUGabundo	and OSD is buggy	09:51
scizzo-	!bug #337488	09:52
ubottu	Launchpad bug 337488 in linux "Internet / Network delays or pauses continuously" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337488	09:52
BUGabundo	ohh NV and ATI are buggier then ever	09:52
BUGabundo	LOL	09:52
BUGabundo	glad we are alpha testers	09:52
BUGabundo	in one month and one week we will all be using koala	09:52
scizzo-	haha	09:52
BUGabundo	ROFL	09:52
BUGabundo	scizzo-: I would recommend you to subscribe to those wikis	09:53
BUGabundo	MPT keeps changing them on a daily bases	09:53
b3rz3rk3r	hey all, if i install the 9.04 alpha can i just upgrade to full release via patches when it comes out?	09:53
scizzo-	BUGabundo: will do	09:54
BUGabundo	b3rz3rk3r: YES	09:54
BUGabundo	Hobbsee: can you change /topic?	09:54
BUGabundo	we need to post that info on Topic	09:54
BUGabundo	ppl keep asking it	09:54
BUGabundo	oh look wgrant is here today!	09:55
Hobbsee	BUGabundo: write a factoid for it instead, probably - topic is already pretty long	09:55
BUGabundo	yah	09:55
BUGabundo	factoid?	09:55
b3rz3rk3r	BUGabundo, awesome, how is 64bit support coming alone these days? i recall programs like Skype and flash video on firefox refused to work a few releases ago, and i ahvent checked since...?	09:55
BUGabundo	is that something for the bot?	09:55
wgrant	BUGabundo: I've been in here for a month or so, IIRC.	09:55
scizzo-	BUGabundo: yes	09:55
BUGabundo	skype works (but I can't record audio)	09:55
scizzo-	BUGabundo: its a bot information thingy	09:55
BUGabundo	flash works	09:56
wgrant	I have no topic privs.	09:56
BUGabundo	again no Mic support	09:56
wgrant	I am a mortal on IRC.	09:56
b3rz3rk3r	hmm..	09:56
b3rz3rk3r	so worth another you think?	09:56
BUGabundo	wgrant: I used to see you very active on hardy and ibex cycle	09:56
BUGabundo	during jaunty you were very quiet	09:56
BUGabundo	only now I saw you here heeh	09:56
BUGabundo	b3rz3rk3r: always!	09:57
b3rz3rk3r	lol	09:57
BUGabundo	jaunty is Da Bomb	09:57
b3rz3rk3r	kk	09:57
BUGabundo	ok, back to mail! bbl	09:57
b3rz3rk3r	thx BUGabundo	09:57
b3rz3rk3r	later	09:57
wgrant	BUGabundo: Burnout ftl!	09:58
BUGabundo	ho and if anyone see dtchen let me know! need to debug flash Mic (can't do my presentations/podcast without it)	09:58
* BUGabundo recons its too soon for dtchen... 18h GMT will be much better		09:59
* BUGabundo regrets having subscribed to Bug 148454		09:59
ubottu	Launchpad bug 148454 in consolekit "console-kit-deamon spawns too many threads" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148454	09:59
TuTUXG	how to permanently change swappiness in 9.04?	10:00
BUGabundo	TuTUXG: what?	10:01
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TuTUXG	BUGabundo, the default swappiness (60) is too high for me	10:01
BUGabundo	again	10:01
BUGabundo	whats that?	10:01
TuTUXG	!swappiness	10:02
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about swappiness	10:02
nanomad	TuTUXG: edit /etc/init.d/rc.local	10:02
BUGabundo	the value of stuff to keep in swap?	10:02
TuTUXG	nanomad, thanks	10:02
nanomad	or create a rule in /etc/sysctl.d/	10:02
nanomad	(the second one is better IMHO)	10:03
TuTUXG	nanomad, ok, i will try that	10:03
scizzo-	BUGabundo: you change the swapiness value for performance AFAIK	10:04
BUGabundo	can any one using kmail confirm it shows up on every dekstop/workspace?	10:05
BUGabundo	scizzo-: I have 4GiBs of RAM and 8 of swap! I couldn't care less	10:05
scizzo-	BUGabundo: hehe	10:05
BUGabundo	-/+ buffers/cache: 2088576 1900400	10:05
BUGabundo	see ? most of it is Cache	10:06
scizzo-	BUGabundo: yeah but for us poor people who still are using old machines... :P	10:06
BUGabundo	ho come on	10:06
BUGabundo	a fresh boot of jaunty only takes 340 MiBs	10:06
scizzo-	haha	10:06
BUGabundo	I tested it on many many machines during my classes	10:06
scizzo-	true very true	10:06
scizzo-	I am pulling your leg a little here... ;)	10:07
BUGabundo	several users have confirmed to me that Jaunty is much faster then ibex	10:07
BUGabundo	Serious bug: need confirmation:	10:27
BUGabundo	OOo Calc no longer allows to drag a cell?????	10:27
nanomad	BUGabundo: works fine here	10:30
nanomad	lp bug number?	10:30
BUGabundo	major security bug on gwibber. making a big Search lead to ubuntu reboot #DoS	10:37
ziroday	Is it possible to migrate a ext3 system to ext4?	10:44
BUGabundo	ziroday: yes	10:44
ziroday	BUGabundo: link?	10:44
ziroday	(would be helpful)	10:45
BUGabundo	don't have it with	10:46
BUGabundo	sorry	10:46
BUGabundo	bit busy debuging a DoS on Jaunty	10:46
ziroday	BUGabundo: any ideas what to google for?	10:46
BUGabundo	sure	10:46
BUGabundo	migrate a ext3 system to ext4	10:46
BUGabundo	LOL	10:46
RAOF	ext4 wiki fs. it's on kernel.org, IIRC.	10:46
ziroday	RAOF: danke	10:47
RAOF	bitte.	10:48
ziroday	ah, forgot about the whole needing to setup a seperate boot partition	10:49
BUGabundo	ziroday: there's no need for thar	10:49
ziroday	BUGabundo: but legacy grub doesn't support ext4, no?	10:49
BUGabundo	it does on jaunty	10:50
ziroday	BUGabundo: awesome	10:50
ziroday	well time to break my laptop	10:50
Amaranth	ziroday: You just mount as ext4 and then fsck it	10:52
ziroday	Amaranth: got it	10:52
Amaranth	Don't even have to fsck it, that just puts in some of the stuff that makes it better	10:53
Amaranth	well, obviously you'd actually fsck it first :P	10:53
ziroday	Amaranth: well I'm converting the entire disk so running the tune2fs whatever, fsck then reboot	10:53
ziroday	and it should work	10:53
ziroday	in theory	10:53
ziroday	oh and changing fstab	10:53
Amaranth	ziroday: You'll still miss out on extents for files you already have on the disk though	10:54
ziroday	Amaranth: thats fine, they appear for newer files correct?	10:54
Amaranth	right	10:54
* Hobbsee copied /home all across the network, then copied it back, to avoid that, and just reinstalled beyond that		10:54
* Amaranth burned /home to DVD and reinstalled		10:54
ziroday	ack now I want to reinstall	10:54
Amaranth	Can't get a 20 second boot without it :P	10:55
ziroday	Amaranth: hate you	10:55
* ziroday goes reinstall		10:55
BUGabundo	Amaranth: really?	10:56
BUGabundo	mine is 75 sec	10:56
Amaranth	BUGabundo: Someone posted a bootchart	10:57
Amaranth	I think mine is probably more like 30, dunno	10:57
BUGabundo	Amaranth: I can post mine	10:58
ziroday	I can trim mine on my aging laptop to ~25	11:01
Amaranth	ziroday: afaik this was stock though	11:01
ziroday	but from suspend its 5 seconds	11:01
ziroday	Amaranth: ah right	11:01
ziroday	Amaranth: during a readahead profile was the biggest improvement, and its easy to do	11:01
rconan	why do people care about boot time? suspend resume time is negligable and bootup happens once a week or so	11:01
ziroday	but gnome still takes ~20-30secs to startup	11:01
ziroday	rconan: cause on some laptops even in suspend battery usage is too high, as well as for some laptops suspend is borked	11:01
* rconan hadn't considered laptops		11:01
ziroday	rconan: and places where electricity costs a fortune you shutdown alot, and watching it startup drives you nuts	11:01
BUGabundo	rconan: Hibernate and resume (without compressions) take 1:30 on my laptop	11:01
BUGabundo	with compression (uwsup) it drops to 15/20 sec resume	11:01
rconan	I suspend if I have to but rarely do either	11:01
rconan	laptop gets suspended all the time	11:01
rconan	never shut down or hibernated	11:01
nacho_	Hi	11:01
BUGabundo	nacho_: hey	11:02
BUGabundo	rconan: lucky you	11:02
BUGabundo	mine after 2 or 3 gets tooooo slowwwww	11:02
nacho_	releated to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule jaunty beta should be released, is it?	11:02
rconan	erm... not til tomorrow...	11:02
nacho_	ok	11:02
nacho_	great	11:02
rconan	nacho_: bear in mind timezones	11:03
nacho_	I wanna change from 64 to 32	11:03
rconan	why so?	11:03
nacho_	rconan, 32 goes faster, it takes less battery	11:03
rconan	really?	11:03
rconan	seems a little odd	11:03
nacho_	rconan, seems and it is	11:04
rconan	i suspect you might find it's not really noticeable	11:04
nacho_	rconan, I already tested it and indeed there is a big difference	11:04
rconan	fair enough	11:04
nacho_	I've been using 64 for a year or so	11:04
nacho_	and I can say that 32 gives less trovels	11:05
rconan	never looked into relative battery life as my laptop is only 32-bit	11:05
rconan	but always used 64-bit on my desktop	11:05
rconan	that said speed is not so much of an issue on a 4GHz quad core	11:05
nacho_	rconan, I can imagin that all this battery life thing is because of the nvidia drier	11:05
rconan	probably	11:05
rconan	nvidia drivers suck	11:06
nacho_	indeed	11:06
BUGabundo	nacho_: Fake!	11:06
nacho_	what's fake?	11:06
BUGabundo	I haven't noticed that	11:06
nacho_	I did	11:06
BUGabundo	but maybe your system has something diff	11:07
BUGabundo	I would open a bug	11:07
BUGabundo	and ask kernel team to help debug	11:07
nacho_	it is a dell m1530	11:07
BUGabundo	apw: are there any reports of battery life being diff from 32 to 64 bits?	11:07
apw	not that i have seen. battery life on my 64 laptop is good	11:07
fosco_	don't think so	11:07
BUGabundo	nacho_: are you sure you can reproduce it?	11:08
BUGabundo	with to daily live cds?	11:08
nacho_	BUGabundo, if it was just me, I wouldn't say anything but I tried with 2 m1530	11:08
nacho_	same thing in ubuntu and debian	11:08
BUGabundo	1st time I hear anyone mention that	11:08
nacho_	with ubuntu 64 I have more or less 30 minutes less than with ubuntu 32	11:09
nacho_	same in debian	11:09
BUGabundo	can you boot from two livecds and leave the battery dry?	11:09
BUGabundo	and clock it?	11:09
BUGabundo	and then file a bug on LP	11:09
nacho_	I can imagin two things: first a kernel thing, and 2th a problem in the nvidia drvier	11:09
BUGabundo	adding your logs	11:09
BUGabundo	the livecd won't have the NVidia driver	11:09
BUGabundo	so it should allow us to compare	11:09
nacho_	If I have time I'll do it	11:09
peppot	where is udev permissions in jaunty?	11:13
peppot	all there is in /etc/udev is rules.d with 70-persistent-cd.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules	11:14
peppot	well, I'll attempt putting raw1394:root:video:0640 on a line in a new 40-permissions.rules	11:19
peppot	that most likely won't work eh	11:21
peppot	anyone?	11:21
scizzo-	I wonder	11:32
scizzo-	the open source driver for nvidia	11:32
scizzo-	wouldn't that be a good driver for having against the live CD?	11:33
* scizzo- is brainstorming a bit here		11:34
scizzo-	BUGabundo: what Graphicscard are you having?	11:35
BUGabundo	scizzo-: no closed drivers on cd/dvd	11:40
scizzo-	BUGabundo: I said open source	11:41
scizzo-	BUGabundo: aaa you mean no "specific" driver..?	11:41
BUGabundo	scizzo-: I thought you said Closed	11:46
scizzo-	BUGabundo: no I mean the Nouveau driver	11:46
scizzo-	however it seems to not be really good and ready	11:47
BUGabundo	its nice... it _works_	11:48
scizzo-	BUGabundo: sweet	12:05
scizzo-	BUGabundo: has a little development needed maybe?	12:06
BUGabundo	don't know	12:06
thewrath	where am i supposed to post information on jaunty	12:10
thewrath	in teh forum	12:10
BUGabundo	thewrath: please explain!	12:11
* BUGabundo doesnt use forums		12:11
Pici	thewrath: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=352	12:11
thewrath	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6953893#post6953893	12:12
thewrath	i know wrong forum	12:12
thewrath	i apologize	12:12
thewrath	what do you guys think	12:14
thewrath	somethign with my computer or something with the wubi	12:14
thewrath	/leave	12:37
bluefoxx	So anyone alive in here to suggest some minimium specs for this release?	12:45
BUGabundo	bluefoxx: yep	12:49
BUGabundo	we are here	12:49
fosco_	bluefoxx: same as intrepid	12:50
bluefoxx	BUGabundo: and minimium reccomended specs for that were?	12:50
BUGabundo	well min specs are 4GiBs HD and 380 MBs RAM	12:50
bluefoxx	sorry, i've been away from linux for the last year, and finally have a somewhat decent spare box, and need to do some programming-ish stuff	12:50
BUGabundo	recommend would be 8GiB HD plus 2GiBs for swap and 512-1G RAM	12:50
bluefoxx	figured it a good time to get back into this stuff	12:50
bluefoxx	Ok, so a dual 1.4 p3 with 2 gigs is plenty than right?	12:51
fosco_	far enought	12:51
BUGabundo	to be on the safe side 20GiBs plus 2-4GBs RAM and a GPU and you are done!	12:51
BUGabundo	opps forgot netword card eheh	12:51
bluefoxx	and should i ever decide to tear away from windows and it's tempting games on this box, a p4-3.2 HT and 2 gigs would be a breeze with it than :D	12:51
bluefoxx	ok, thanks guys	12:52
BUGabundo	welcome back	12:52
BUGabundo	any questions you have, ask at will	12:52
bluefoxx	thanks	12:52
BUGabundo	and please read the release notes	12:52
BUGabundo	let me get the links	12:52
bluefoxx	downloading the torrent now...	12:52
BUGabundo	http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6	12:52
bluefoxx	1.5MB/s goodness :D	12:52
BUGabundo	you can get a daily image	12:52
BUGabundo	and then rsync the changes	12:52
bluefoxx	hmm	12:52
BUGabundo	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview	12:53
Volkodav	http://soft.compulenta.ru/413166/	12:53
BUGabundo	Volkodav: english please! see	12:53
Volkodav	wrong window	12:55
BUGabundo	ahh	12:56
ruthgard	Good day	13:00
dns53	hey	13:00
ruthgard	do you have your hands full packaging the Beta? :)	13:00
bluefoxx	good morning	13:00
Guest69020	hi everyone	13:02
ruthgard	On the releasenotes for all the alphas there have been talk about maby creating a new notification function for Jaunty, is it known if it will be included or not yet?	13:02
Guest69020	i am on jaunty	13:02
ruthgard	Hello Guest69020	13:02
Guest69020	and i have a (little) problem	13:02
Guest69020	hello ruthgard	13:02
Guest69020	can i ask?	13:03
ruthgard	:) sure just ask :)	13:03
dns53	don't ask to ask a question, just ask it	13:03
Guest69020	i installed serpent and don't works for me	13:03
Guest69020	i installed serpentine and don't works for me	13:03
ikonia	Guest69020: how did you install it ?	13:04
Guest69020	with apt-get install	13:04
ikonia	Guest69020: which package vesion did it install ?	13:04
ikonia	(dpkg -l shows the packages installed)	13:04
* BUGabundo lunch		13:05
Guest69020	0.9-5ubuntu4	13:05
ikonia	Guest69020: one moment	13:05
ikonia	that appears to be the current version, I thought it had got updated recently, what is the issue with it ?	13:06
Guest69020	it gives me an exception when i execute it	13:07
Guest69020	Traceback (most recent call last):	13:07
Guest69020	File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>	13:07
Guest69020	assert path.isdir(locations.lib)	13:07
Guest69020	AssertionError	13:07
Guest69020	for you does it works?	13:08
ikonia	I've not got it installed here	13:09
Guest69020	maybe it is my fault because before today i coldn't install it in no way because it depended on python-4suite-xml which was broken	13:10
Guest69020	so i tried to compile a version of python-4suite-xml	13:11
ikonia	thats silly to do on unstable development boxes	13:11
ikonia	you're fighting against a moving target	13:11
Guest69020	compiled serpentine	13:11
Guest69020	and installed	13:11
Guest69020	today they have fixed the error in python	13:12
ikonia	you're not on a sane box	13:12
Guest69020	and i installed the new version with apt	13:12
ruthgard	Guest69020, I would recommend to go back to Intrepid or wait a month :)	13:13
Guest69020	now the problem is that with apport i filed a bug report	13:13
ikonia	Guest69020: your bug reports will be invalid	13:13
Guest69020	and maybe serpentine works perfectly	13:13
ikonia	Guest69020: your bug reports will be invalid	13:13
Guest69020	for you does it works?	13:14
ikonia	I don't have it installed, I just said that	13:14
Guest69020	do you know how can i remove completely the old version of serpentine and of python-4suite-xml so i can have a clean installation	13:16
Guest69020	?	13:16
ikonia	Guest69020: I would suggest you re-install 9.04 and not compile things by hand to keep a sane platform for testing	13:16
Guest69020	reinstall everything???	13:17
ikonia	Guest69020: yes	13:17
Guest69020	a drastical solution. i do it in windows when something goes bad, but i am in linux now	13:18
Guest69020	:)	13:18
ikonia	linux/windows has nothing to do with it	13:18
Guest69020	when you do a error you reinstall everything?	13:19
ikonia	Guest69020: no	13:19
ruthgard	You should allso be able to reinstall all the packages if you know all that has been affected	13:19
ikonia	Guest69020: but I don't use a development system for important data, and I don't put things on the machine that I don't know how to maintain	13:19
TheInfinity	Guest69020: but you get a defined plattform if you reinstall. thats alpha testing as its in every os.	13:20
Guest69020	can't i simply delete the old installation?	13:20
ikonia	Guest69020: what did it install - and where did it install ?	13:20
Guest69020	it's in /usr/local	13:20
ikonia	Guest69020: what is - and where in /usr/local/ ?	13:21
ikonia	Guest69020: and what else is now linked against it ?	13:21
Guest69020	i tried to install python-4suite-xml but i think it doesn't worked	13:22
ikonia	safer to re-install from what you are aying	13:22
Guest69020	then i installed serpentine in /usr/local with the command python setup install	13:22
ikonia	Guest69020: you have no idea what that it installed or what it did	13:23
Guest69020	i know that everything it installed is in /usr/local	13:24
Guest69020	python-4suite-xml did'n't compile	13:25
Guest69020	so it is not installed	13:25
robertj	hrmm, on the beta adding a task list results in an infinite number of task list items being added	13:26
Guest69020	is there a command like make uninstall to remove a python package?	13:27
ikonia	Guest69020: re-install 9.04	13:28
Guest69020	serpentine install things in /usr not in /usr/local so there should be no conflict	13:31
Guest69020	maybe doing python setup uninstall?	13:31
Guest69020	the most drastical thing i can do is to remove manually files in /usr/local	13:34
Guest69020	after all in a clean installation of ubuntu are there these files?	13:35
Guest69020	so i haven't to reinstall everything :)	13:36
Guest69020	but i wanted to know this	13:37
Guest69020	the reason serpentine don't work	13:37
ikonia	Guest69020: re-install 9.04	13:37
Guest69020	is that is my fault	13:37
Guest69020	or there is a bug in serpentine	13:37
ikonia	Guest69020: re-install 9.04 - and re-test	13:38
Guest69020	could you be so kind to install serpentine and do it for me?	13:39
ikonia	Guest69020: I can't at the moment	13:40
ikonia	Guest69020: I suggest you re-install 9.04 and re-test	13:40
Guest69020	ok	13:40
ikonia	Guest69020: if you want to help with the bug testing - this is what it involves	13:40
Guest69020	i wanted to help	13:40
ikonia	Guest69020: so you need to do a sane test	13:40
Guest69020	but i don't want to reinstall everything :(	13:41
ikonia	that's a big part of testing pre-release software	13:41
Guest69020	how can i remove the bug i filed on launchpad with apport?	13:42
ikonia	mark it as not an issue	13:42
Guest69020	how?	13:42
Guest69020	is there someone here that is running jaaunty and today has installed serpentine?	13:45
Guest69020	does it works?	13:45
Guest69020	to me it gives me this error Traceback (most recent call last):	13:47
Guest69020	File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>	13:47
Guest69020	assert path.isdir(locations.lib)	13:47
Guest69020	AssertionError	13:47
ikonia	Guest69020: we've just gone through this	13:49
ikonia	Guest69020: YOU need re-install jaunty to get a sane platform and YOU need to re-test	13:49
Guest69020	ikonia i thank you for your suggestion to reinstall everything, but now i am not speking with you. maybe there is someone else that have serpentine installed and i wanted simply to know if it works or not so i can be helpful	13:52
ikonia	Guest69020: asking someone else if it works is not helpful	13:52
ikonia	Guest69020: you have found a possible - but doubtful bug	13:52
ikonia	it would be helpful to create a sane platform and test it	13:52
ikonia	Guest69020: tis is part of testing the bugs and reporting them correctly	13:52
ikonia	"this" sorry not tis	13:53
Guest69020	if it works i remove the bug i filed from lanchpad	13:53
ikonia	Guest69020: so you test it and remove the bug	13:53
Guest69020	launchpad	13:53
ikonia	Guest69020: I strongly suggest you remove the bug now until you can verify it on a sane platform	13:53
ikonia	Guest69020: as your platform is tainted it will be invalid by default, so removing it now will stop the waste of peoples time looking at it	13:54
Guest69020	how can i do that (but maybe there is a bug, do you know? don't will be more helpful if someone with a not "tainted" (my ubuntu installation is not tainted) installation say to me if there is a bug or not? if i had to reinstall everything there would be a loss of time (first i have to backup everything and then to reinstall: 2 hours))	13:59
Guest69020	?	13:59
ikonia	Guest69020: two hours well spent	13:59
bluefoxx	Heres a small issue: in the map when attempting to install, I couldn't click on Vancouver.	13:59
ikonia	Guest69020: plus a sane platform will allow you to do other tests without them being tainted	13:59
* bluefoxx liked the time zone map style of the ibex installer better		14:00
Guest69020	my platform is sane	14:00
ikonia	Guest69020: no it's not	14:00
Guest69020	why?	14:00
ikonia	Guest69020: you've got custom compiled stuff on there	14:00
Guest69020	can't i compile in ubuntu?	14:00
Guest69020	i'm not on windows	14:01
ikonia	Guest69020: of course you can, but logging bugs against a development addition of a platform that you're updating yourself is counter productive and pointless	14:01
bluefoxx	Ack!	14:01
bluefoxx	It wants to erase my disk by default?	14:01
ikonia	Guest69020: stop refering to windows - no-one said anything about windows, yet you keep bringing it up	14:01
charlie-tca	bluefoxx: there was a bug on that in launchpad. Trying to get the cities in the right zones	14:01
Guest69020	i installed things in /usr/local	14:01
ikonia	Guest69020: so ?	14:01
Guest69020	so	14:02
ikonia	Guest69020: are you %101 that everything LINKED against libraries in /usr/local ?	14:02
Guest69020	in a "sane" installation there is nothing in /usr/local?	14:02
bluefoxx	charlie-tca: Well In my opinion, I would say the older time zone selection worked better...	14:02
ikonia	bluefoxx: I would agree with that	14:02
charlie-tca	mine too. But this is the nature of things.	14:03
ikonia	things must chance	14:03
ikonia	changge	14:03
charlie-tca	You can still pick from the list, though	14:03
bluefoxx	I also think that having it suggest erasing your entire disk and installing as the default option might be a bad idea...	14:03
bluefoxx	charlie-tca: As I wound up doing...	14:03
Guest69020	??	14:03
charlie-tca	Yeah, Boise is the same way. It is way too much work to pick it on the map	14:03
charlie-tca	I don't know what the best default for partitioning would be. I normally manual partition, since I have many installs to pick from	14:04
Guest69020	i removed the old serpentine.py from /usr/local so when i run serpentine i run the right one	14:04
ActionParsnip	hey all	14:04
ActionParsnip	what time is the beta out?	14:04
Guest69020	the traceback say mae that	14:05
ikonia	Guest69020: are you %101 everything you built was linked against /usr/local or /usr/	14:05
ActionParsnip	i know its tomorrow	14:05
* bluefoxx would have better luck playing minesweeper on a u810 using a hot dog as a stylus than selecting the right city on the installer map		14:05
Guest69020	what do you mean?	14:05
ikonia	Guest69020: never mind - you're wasting time	14:05
ActionParsnip	like is it 7am GMT, 8pm GMT	14:05
Guest69020	everything i built is in /usr/local	14:05
ikonia	Guest69020: logging bugs against your home compiled system is a waste of peoples effort	14:05
bluefoxx	I do like the new nag screen telling me to choose a stronger password though...	14:06
ikonia	bluefoxx: thats an interesting compromise as it should be down to the user to impliment the password policy they feel best	14:06
Guest69020	bluefoxx: can you do me a favour?	14:06
bluefoxx	If I had gone with something like 'password' or '12345678' as the password would it have told me outright, 'No!'?	14:07
ikonia	Guest69020: re-install 9.04 and est it yourself	14:07
bluefoxx	Guest69020: depends...	14:07
Guest69020	do you have serpentine installled?	14:08
bluefoxx	I normally have a 60 char passphrase, but for a box I'm using to get back into linux with, and only briefly to do a bit of programming for my sansa on, i just used a garbage temp one...not to mention theres not many things that take a 60 character password	14:08
bluefoxx	Guest69020: still installing.	14:08
Guest69020	wow thank you	14:09
ikonia	Guest69020: he's still installing the OS	14:09
ikonia	Guest69020: that's why he's at the map selection screen	14:09
ikonia	Guest69020: re-install 9.04 and get a sane platform back and test it yourself	14:09
bluefoxx	Guest69020: its getting whatever it comes with by default and whatever the dev page for rockbox tells me i need.	14:09
Guest69020	ikonia can i ask you a question?	14:11
ikonia	Guest69020: if it's about jaunty - sure	14:11
Guest69020	why can't you do an apt-get install serpentine?	14:11
ikonia	Guest69020: because my jaunty box is doing other tests at the moment	14:11
Guest69020	ok	14:11
ali1234	i just tried to sudo apt-get install serpentine and it failed horribly	14:11
ikonia	Guest69020: and plus as I said - it's important you get yourself a sane platform if you want to test	14:11
ali1234	serpentine: Depends: python-4suite-xml but it is not going to be installed	14:12
popey	works here on latest jaunty	14:12
Guest69020	ali1234: did you apt-get update first?	14:12
ali1234	no	14:12
Guest69020	this is the reason it fails	14:12
ali1234	of course	14:12
ali1234	that is going to take a while though	14:13
popey	update, not upgrade	14:13
ali1234	still gonna take a while	14:13
Guest69020	yes	14:13
Guest69020	thank you guys	14:14
ali1234	what is serpentine anyway?	14:14
popey	!info serpentine	14:14
ubottu	serpentine (source: serpentine): An application for creating audio CDs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-5ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 164 kB, installed size 1176 kB	14:15
Guest69020	it is a program i use to do gapless audio cd	14:15
Guest69020	a very good sofware :)	14:15
Guest69020	to me it gives me this error	14:16
Guest69020	Traceback (most recent call last):	14:16
Guest69020	File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>	14:16
Guest69020	assert path.isdir(locations.lib)	14:16
Guest69020	AssertionError	14:16
ali1234	assert path.isdir(locations.lib) does look like a problem with library paths to me	14:17
Guest69020	did you try it?	14:17
Guest69020	sama error?	14:17
ali1234	no im still downloading package lists. can you pastebin the FULL backtrace please?	14:17
Kano	hi, is here somebody who likes to package a squashfs-tools snapshot?	14:17
Guest69020	i think this is the full backtrace	14:18
Guest69020	it says only this when i run it in terminal	14:18
ali1234	hmm... what stuff did you compile yourself?	14:18
dan457	In my system it warns me that it conflits with other software. not going to uninstall something to test it atm. i'll try on anouther box later.	14:18
dan457	if you complied your own, you would not have gotten that warning i'm sure.	14:19
Guest69020	no this is the version i installed with apt-get	14:19
ali1234	ok i get the same error	14:20
Guest69020	so there is a bug :	14:20
Guest69020	ok thank you everyone	14:20
dan457	hmm, other box, I get unresolved dependency. python-4suite-xml	14:21
Guest69020	you get this because the list of packages is not updated	14:21
thewrath	i have no sound in ubuntu 9.04 alpha 6	14:22
thewrath	any comments	14:22
Guest69020	today they fixed a bug there was in python-4suite-xml	14:22
funkyHat	Am I right in thinking that fglrx is broken currently in Jaunty?	14:23
Guest69020	but serpentine still have bugs :(	14:23
thewrath	funkyHat: yes you are corret	14:23
thewrath	i had that issue yesterday	14:23
thewrath	you have to remove it from teh system adn restart	14:23
dan457	sound on new intel hd audio is a pain here. when it works for me, but snap crackle pop.....	14:23
Guest69020	anyway this is the nly things don't work well in jaunty	14:23
Guest69020	at least for me	14:24
funkyHat	Is there a bug for it thewrath ?	14:24
dan457	ok, installed it and it crashed... sending in a report	14:24
bluefoxx	I do wish that the installer still tossed stuff like gparted onto the system when you installed...	14:24
thewrath	yes	14:24
thewrath	they do know of it	14:24
thewrath	that is how i found of it	14:24
peppot	anyone know how to make device permission settings permanent in jaunty?	14:24
Guest69020	is there an alternative to serpentine?	14:24
ali1234	Guest69020: it is crashing because /usr/bin/../lib/python2.6/site-packages/ does not exist	14:24
funkyHat	thewrath: do you know the bug #?	14:24
bluefoxx	would be really nice to have an 'advanced' section where one could do such things as say, download packages to be installed and updates...	14:25
bluefoxx	like the restricted-extras and all that...	14:25
bluefoxx	instead of doing it after installing....	14:25
ali1234	Guest69020: if you create that dir it seems to work	14:25
Guest69020	good	14:25
Guest69020	:)	14:25
Guest69020	thank you	14:25
thewrath	funkyHat: trying to find it	14:25
Guest69020	how did you discover that?	14:25
thewrath	while i am looking for it can anyone help me try to get my audio back	14:25
thewrath	in 9.04	14:26
Shane_Fagan	try alt f2 and then type pulseaudio	14:26
Guest69020	do you know python?	14:26
thewrath	i do not know no	14:26
ali1234	Guest69020: yes	14:27
Guest69020	i have to learn it :)	14:27
Guest69020	it is more difficult than c++?	14:28
ali1234	no it is much much easier	14:28
thewrath	no sound in 9.04 anyone have that/	14:28
ali1234	Guest69020: but that's off topic... i suggest #python if you want to learn it	14:29
Guest69020	ok	14:29
Shane_Fagan	I get it a few times a day its a kernel problem	14:29
BUGabundo	thewrath: you need to install dtchen kernel images	14:30
BUGabundo	http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/	14:30
Guest69020	so to suggest this solution to the developers how can i do?	14:30
Shane_Fagan	If you restart pulseaudio it will get it back temporarily.	14:30
Shane_Fagan	dtchen's fix works	14:31
dan457	current pulse is buggy as hell.	14:31
dan457	if you compile the dev version, it works better with newer hdaudio hardware.	14:31
dan457	or just wait for a few weeks.. lol	14:32
ali1234	Guest69020: that isn't a fix, it is a work around. you need to find out why the directory doesnt exist for py2.6 (it exists for 2.5) and why serpentine needs to check that it exists. only when you can answer those questions can you suggest a proper fix	14:32
thewrath	BUGabundo: it says an older version is avilable in a software channel	14:32
bluefoxx	should work fine with an ancient generic creative card	14:32
Shane_Fagan	Is compiz working for anyone else?	14:33
thewrath	generally yoiu are reocmmend to isntall the verson formt eh software channel, since iti s ually better supported	14:33
thewrath	Shane_Fagan: in 9.04?	14:33
BUGabundo	thewrath: and its true	14:33
Shane_Fagan	Yeo	14:33
Guest69020	i understand	14:33
BUGabundo	downlload all files for your arch	14:33
BUGabundo	and then install	14:33
Shane_Fagan	9.04 yep	14:33
bluefoxx	sound in my box something thats on par with onboard, but the machine itself doesn't even have that....	14:33
thewrath	so should i not do the stuff from dtchen?	14:33
BUGabundo	Shane_Fagan: yes it works	14:33
Shane_Fagan	Its broken for me	14:34
BUGabundo	thewrath: please install and comment on the bug	14:34
bluefoxx	since it was intended to be a server about a decade back when someone else had it...	14:34
thewrath	BUGabundo: can you link me tot he bug	14:34
eMaX	very weird. sometimes my display starts to flicker. nvidia on thinkpad t61. when I leave it flickering for a while, like 10 secs, the laptop will just hard reset. If I send it quickly to standby and then resume, all is fine.	14:35
BUGabundo	its in the deb it self	14:35
BUGabundo	bug 330814	14:35
ubottu	Launchpad bug 330814 in linux "snd_pcm_avail_update() returning absurd values causes PulseAudio to abort" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330814	14:35
thewrath	so that is the same issue as having no audio	14:35
bluefoxx	hmm...	14:37
bluefoxx	a pile of i/o request errors on /dev/sr0...	14:37
Guest69020	i haven't tried pulseaudio, alsa works good for me. what are the advantages of it over alsa?	14:37
bluefoxx	whatever that was, it rebooted like it was supposed to	14:37
thewrath	i was told that alsa shoudl work	14:38
thewrath	how do i set my audio driver	14:38
BUGabundo	thewrath: audio properties	14:39
thewrath	k	14:40
BUGabundo	system->pref->multimedia selection	14:40
thewrath	system->pref->audi	14:40
thewrath	BUGabundo: here is one thing	14:45
thewrath	when i plug my headphoens in it works	14:46
thewrath	but my regular computer speakers donet work	14:46
=== Delvien is now known as Delvien_away
BUGabundo	lol	14:47
BUGabundo	please state that on the bug	14:47
BUGabundo	and add the alsa report link	14:47
s0u][ight	no kernel changes?	14:47
BUGabundo	http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh	14:47
s0u][ight	.29?	14:47
thewrath	link me again tot he bug	14:48
thewrath	my ff closed unexpectily	14:48
dan457	your speakers broken? or are you headphones usb?	14:51
cyberix	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/348480	14:51
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 348480 in ubuntu "unable to set custom window manager" [Undecided,New]	14:51
BUGabundo	bug 330814	14:51
ubottu	Launchpad bug 330814 in linux "snd_pcm_avail_update() returning absurd values causes PulseAudio to abort" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330814	14:51
thewrath	https://launchpad.net/bugs/330814 that bug?	14:51
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 330814 in linux "snd_pcm_avail_update() returning absurd values causes PulseAudio to abort" [Low,Fix committed]	14:51
BUGabundo	thewrath: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh	14:51
BUGabundo	chmod it to have X	14:51
BUGabundo	and run it	14:51
BUGabundo	copy the link provided to the LP bug and state your prob	14:52
cyberix	My bug is about regression that might have an effect on a relatively large population of user. Luckily not the least technical ones.	14:54
thewrath	BUGabundo: i just run it by typing ./alsa-inf.sh	14:57
thewrath	right	14:57
thewrath	stupid BUGabundo you there	14:59
thewrath	http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4524b0993bb6c2d313cdcf6588e18ddda53ac423	14:59
BUGabundo	thewrath: I think you still need to chmod it	14:59
BUGabundo	I have no use for it	14:59
BUGabundo	its the audio team that does	14:59
thewrath	oh ok	15:00
thewrath	so for bug 330814 reply with that link?	15:00
ubottu	Launchpad bug 330814 in linux "snd_pcm_avail_update() returning absurd values causes PulseAudio to abort" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330814	15:00
BUGabundo	and your prob	15:01
thewrath	ok	15:01
thewrath	done	15:02
SeanTater	Jaunty installed GRUB over my XFS superblock. (XFS had the whole disk) Is it safe to repair XFS or will that kill GRUB?	15:15
BUGabundo	SeanTater: should be safe	15:16
BUGabundo	livecd or recovery console?	15:16
BUGabundo	xfs_check	15:16
BUGabundo	and xfs_repair should do much harm	15:16
SeanTater	Right now, it's fully installed and I'm on a normal desktop	15:17
SeanTater	It boots up but XFS is dead	15:17
SeanTater	(XFS isn't my primary drive)	15:17
SeanTater	So I can run xfs_check but not xfs_repair?	15:18
BUGabundo	bbl	15:18
dan457	boot from a live CD and run both.	15:19
SeanTater	I can do that, but since it's not mounted, it's on another disk, and the data is not that crucial, wouldn't it be the same run from a normal install?	15:21
MTecknology	How do I grab the source of a package?	15:31
tomsdale	Anyone with a Dell Laptop with an alps touchpad? There are a couple of bugs regarding this touchpad in launchpad but no clear future. What can I do to get this issue moving in jaunty?	15:32
funkyHat	MTecknology: apt-get source package	15:32
funkyHat	MTecknology: (no need for sudo)	15:32
MTecknology	!find pam_cracklib	15:34
ubottu	File pam_cracklib found in libpam-cracklib, libpam-doc, libpam-modules	15:34
MTecknology	grabbing a massive bzr branch just so I can make a patch to a spelling error on a bug over a year old....	15:39
BUGabundo	MTecknology: eheh	15:40
MTecknology	GREAT... grep won't even find the file for me	15:41
MTecknology	-_-	15:44
tomsdale	i found a bugfix for the touchpad issues in a diff file for linux-2.6.27/drivers/input/mouse/alps.c. Can I apply this in my jaunty installation - how?	15:44
MTecknology	it's the blueprints	15:46
MTecknology	wrong chan	15:46
tomsdale	!296610	15:47
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about 296610	15:47
tomsdale	bug 296610	15:47
ubottu	Launchpad bug 296610 in linux "ALPS DualPoint Touchpad flaky performance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296610	15:47
nemo	I've been getting "Apt Authentication Issue" notifications a lot lately.	15:50
nemo	like. last couple of days	15:50
nemo	I'm pretty sure the network over here hasn't changed recently.	15:51
nemo	is anyone else experiencing these?	15:51
BUGabundo	nemo do you use any PPA?	15:51
unixdawg	ok who broke yakuake	15:52
unixdawg	i cant change any of the settins in yakuake now it crashes	15:53
tomsdale	Can I apply a .diff patch for a mouse driver for kernel version 2.26.27 to a jaunty 2.26.28-11 kernel. Do I have to recompile the kernel? little help please ...	15:59
rconan	is it deliberate that you can no longer drag and drop panels?	16:00
BUGabundo	rconan: you mean top and bottom? I can	16:00
rconan	so you can drag your top panel and put it at the side	16:01
BUGabundo	let me try to be sure	16:02
BUGabundo	no I can't!	16:02
BUGabundo	WTF	16:02
BUGabundo	I used to be able to do it	16:02
BUGabundo	gnome 2.26 bug?	16:02
rconan	or "feature"	16:03
BUGabundo	eeheh	16:03
BUGabundo	exactly what I said to seb128	16:03
BUGabundo	rconan: please file a bug and sub me to it	16:03
=== Delvien_away is now known as Delvien
BUGabundo	I'll make it move	16:04
ikonia	tomsdale: no the 2.6.27 patch should not be applied to a 2.6.28 kernel	16:04
ikonia	tomsdale: you need to check it's compatability	16:04
rconan	BUGabundo: just checking there isn't already one	16:05
BUGabundo	sure	16:05
nemo	BUGabundo: you know. I might. checks	16:05
BUGabundo	nemo could be that	16:06
BUGabundo	since now PPAs are PGP signed	16:06
BUGabundo	please pastebin your sources.list	16:06
BUGabundo	thanks	16:06
MTecknology	patch submitted with it - hopefully they'll commit this before yet another year passes	16:07
nemo	BUGabundo: http://m8y.org/tmp/sources.txt	16:07
BUGabundo	rconan: (04:07:27 PM) seb128: BUGabundo: yes, use alt+dnd	16:08
nemo	(with comments/blank lines removed)	16:08
BUGabundo	rconan: DON'T file that bug!	16:08
BUGabundo	LOL	16:08
rconan	BUGabundo: oh... cool	16:08
rconan	now I can get panels on my secondary screens	16:08
BUGabundo	nemo: nothing strange about that	16:08
BUGabundo	can you please change to another mirror and try to reproduce	16:08
BUGabundo	eheh	16:08
rconan	althought this looks ominous: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/271343	16:08
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 271343 in gnome-panel "Gnome panel bugs with secondary monitor" [Low,Triaged]	16:08
BUGabundo	mine always appear on the BIGGEST screen	16:09
BUGabundo	then I run compiz reload	16:09
BUGabundo	and have them on my laptop	16:09
nemo	BUGabundo: where's that? I've always used the defaults	16:09
nemo	just us.archive	16:09
nemo	to something else?	16:09
nemo	ca.archive ? :)	16:09
tomsdale	ikonia: Thanks! .. so I won't try that. How do I best proceed with the issue though to work towards a fix in jaunty in the near future? This is the dell business line - a non working touchpad/stick combo in Ubuntu would be really sad.	16:10
ikonia	tomsdale: I would hang on the initial release then submit the patch as a back port request	16:10
BUGabundo	nemo: System->admin->software sources	16:11
BUGabundo	Other...	16:11
BUGabundo	and choose a mirror close to you	16:11
BUGabundo	or let the Auto find the closest (not always true)	16:11
rconan	hmm... maximising windows goes underneath panels on secondary screens	16:11
nemo	BUGabundo: trying out the automatic. thanks.	16:12
nemo	will try to use my judgement on result - like, I don't even know why it is bothering with italy :)	16:12
tomsdale	ikonia: so in order to actually get a working patch I better get in contact with the original author and ask him whether he could write another fix for the 2.26.28 kernel series?	16:12
tomsdale	right now there is only a patch for 2.26.27.	16:13
ikonia	tomsdale: no, I'd submit the patch to the kernel team to let them evaluate it's compatability	16:13
FFEMTcJ	the beta is still on schedule for release tomorrow correct?	16:13
rconan	yeah but don't hold your breath	16:13
rconan	it could be any time tomorrow	16:13
darthanubis	I was wonder why no recent updates	16:14
darthanubis	wondering	16:14
FFEMTcJ	im at work tomorrow, so it doesnt really matter to me	16:14
rconan	don't wanna hear no "it's midnight where is it?" going on	16:14
Machtin	trying to give all users read-permission for a folder - i'm using dolphin to do so.. and chmod -R a+r /path/to/folder/ neither works? what's wrong with that?	16:14
darthanubis	it's beta time yea!	16:14
rconan	i've never used prebeta before	16:14
FFEMTcJ	leave for work tomorrow at 630am and will get home friday at about 10 am..	16:14
rconan	and probably wont again	16:14
tomsdale	ikonia: although it's for 2.26.27? I'm not the Author of the patch - I just want to get it fixed in ubuntu.	16:15
BUGabundo	darthanubis: beta freeze	16:15
darthanubis	cool	16:15
ikonia	tomsdale: I'd still submit it as is	16:15
BUGabundo	FFEMTcJ: get the daily today, and rsync the diff tomorrow or Friday	16:15
FFEMTcJ	BUGabundo: ehh.. just debating installing today or waiting till saturday	16:17
BUGabundo	FFEMTcJ: get the daily today	16:17
BUGabundo	and instll	16:17
BUGabundo	updates will give you the same	16:17
FFEMTcJ	i kinda figured	16:17
FFEMTcJ	prolly wont be many changes anyway right?	16:17
nemo	will 2.6.29 make it in to jaunty? there were some neat features besides the new mascot :)	16:18
IntuitiveNipple	jaunty is 2.6.28	16:18
nemo	that's been settled eh.	16:19
IntuitiveNipple	It's not been in doubt	16:19
FFEMTcJ	BUGabundo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso ?	16:19
nemo	well. I don't know these things	16:19
BUGabundo	FFEMTcJ: not alternate	16:20
BUGabundo	get the livecd	16:20
BUGabundo	nemo: NO.. we will have .28	16:20
BUGabundo	IntuitiveNipple: [[]]	16:20
tomsdale	ok, thanks for your help ikonia	16:20
BUGabundo	!cdimage	16:20
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about cdimage	16:20
FFEMTcJ	BUGabundo: i dont see a livecd in current	16:20
BUGabundo	!dailies	16:20
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about dailies	16:20
BUGabundo	!daily	16:20
ubottu	Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/	16:20
BUGabundo	FFEMTcJ: daily live	16:21
FFEMTcJ	ahh	16:21
void^_	hrm, gtk2-engines-pixbuf really is exceedingly slow :/	16:21
JediMaster	hey guys	16:22
JediMaster	For the last 2 weeks or so whenever I'm watching a video in various players (e.g. mplayer command line, vlc, xbmc etc) if I pause the video for more than a few seconds and resume it again the audio starts to badly distort, like static	16:23
JediMaster	even quitting the player quite often doesn't fix it	16:24
JediMaster	somtimes restarting X fixes it, but not always	16:24
JediMaster	didn't do it before about 2 weeks ago	16:24
JediMaster	I believe someone mentioned that it could be a problem with pulse audio before, but I can't find anything about this issue on the net	16:25
JediMaster	anyone got any suggestions?	16:25
nemo	I've had issues with sound dæmons that have sounded like that in the past	16:25
nemo	where, I had to increase buffer sizes	16:25
nemo	but. the pause thing, never had that problem	16:25
nemo	for me, it was always static	16:25
nemo	(until I increased buffers)	16:26
JediMaster	hmmm, just had it again but I stopped the player for 5 minutes and it's playing ok now	16:26
JediMaster	how do you increase the buffer?	16:26
JediMaster	is that in the pulse-audio config, or in the player's config?	16:26
nemo	don't remember. was years ago, and I don't even think was pulse audio - I was messing with esd at the time	16:27
bluefoxicy	shit hangs a lot during I/O	16:28
bluefoxicy	the disk just stops, CPU stops, and a program freezes for 2 minutes	16:28
JediMaster	what program?	16:28
nemo	BUGabundo, I switched to a specific mirror suggested by automatic - it ran through the whole update routine, which seemed to run successfully.	16:29
nemo	I logged out, logged back in	16:29
nemo	a minute later, "apt authentication issue" again	16:29
nemo	on the other hand, even though update manager seems to sweep through all the various repos without complaint, I've had no prompt for new packages	16:30
nemo	and, that's a bit unusual in jaunty.	16:30
nemo	meh. maybe the network here changed in some fashion - will try it again at home.	16:30
IntuitiveNipple	right now we're in beta freeze so don't be too surprised, treat it as a welcome break :)	16:30
nemo	oh. well. that part is normal then	16:31
nemo	perhaps unrelated to the popup	16:31
IntuitiveNipple	I think I've only seen 4 today :)	16:31
nemo	oh. that's 4 more than I	16:31
IntuitiveNipple	but it does sound like you're experiencing some kind of network-caching issue	16:31
nemo	I'm noting down this command it is prompting me to run, to try it at a terminal	16:31
bluefoxicy	JediMaster: THE WHOLE SYSTEM.	16:31
nemo	synaptic --non-interactive --update-at-startup --hide-main-window	16:31
bluefoxicy	JediMaster: EVERYTHING stops	16:31
IntuitiveNipple	could it be a transparent proxy goinv via squid?	16:31
bluefoxicy	JediMaster: Firefox greys, Xchat greys, trying to open Gnome Terminal hangs	16:32
bluefoxicy	then after 2 minutes, the disk starts CRANKING like crazy, gnome terminal opens, Firefox and Xchat wake back up.	16:32
JediMaster	tested the disk?	16:33
BUGabundo	nemo we are on beta freeze	16:33
BUGabundo	no new packages until Friday	16:33
bluefoxicy	JediMaster: it works fine under 8.10	16:33
nemo	oh	16:33
nemo	I have a failed on	16:33
IntuitiveNipple	nemo: The reports I see on that all refer to network proxy issues	16:33
nemo	jaunty-security/maultiverse Translation-en_US	16:33
nemo	perhaps that's what triggered the error	16:33
* JediMaster wonders if this audio bug is going to be in the release		16:33
JediMaster	it makes it almost unusable	16:33
nemo	everything else seems to update fine	16:33
nemo	s/maulti/multi/	16:34
bluefoxicy	JediMaster: also, while this is happening, several programs tend to still work. I navigated with Nautilus (which started cranking the disk running through my home directory) in the middle of this	16:34
bluefoxicy	after nautilus finished hammering the disk, the system went idle again	16:34
bluefoxicy	a little while later, the disk woke back up, and all the frozen programs started	16:34
BUGabundo	nemo: that trans is "normal"	16:34
bluefoxicy	that's distinctly odd.	16:34
nemo	ok :)	16:34
IntuitiveNipple	nemo: see that last couple of comments on this report: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061	16:34
BUGabundo	I've been getting that for EVER	16:34
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 24061 in update-manager "GPG error with apt-get (BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5)" [Medium,Invalid]	16:34
bluefoxicy	top has indicated that 2-3 programs hang in "D" state	16:34
nemo	BUGabundo: I hadn't looked at the list recently :)	16:34
bluefoxicy	always the frozen programs	16:34
nemo	IntuitiveNipple: none of the comments seem to match my behaviour though - if I run apt-get update it seems to work fine	16:36
nemo	no GPG sig complaints	16:36
nemo	only this alert on startup	16:36
IntuitiveNipple	nemo: that alert stems from a bad signature	16:36
nemo	but. shouldn't I get that if I run apt-get update too?	16:36
nemo	I've had bad signature warnings before	16:36
Machtin	trying to give all users read-permission for a folder - i'm using dolphin to do so.. and chmod -R a+r /path/to/folder/ neither works? what's wrong with that?	16:36
nemo	(not recently, but a while ago)	16:37
IntuitiveNipple	Machtin: how does it not work? does it not apply the change to the files?	16:38
Shane_Fagan	Its a pulse audio problem as well as a kernel problem. It should be fixed soon	16:38
Machtin	IntuitiveNipple: indeed.. although it says it does	16:38
Shane_Fagan	Whoops was looking higher up the list	16:39
Machtin	however, might that be related to the fact that it's ntfs?	16:39
* bluefoxicy re-installs ubuntu-desktop		16:41
IntuitiveNipple	Machtin: I think with ntfs, to translate unix to NTFS-ACLs you may need to play with the mount options	16:41
bluefoxicy	direct hardy -> jaunty upgrade isn't so hard :o	16:41
hggdh	what's the command-line equivalent for update-manager on a server?	16:41
IntuitiveNipple	apt-get upgrade	16:41
hggdh	to go from Intrepid into Jaunty	16:41
IntuitiveNipple	and apt-get dist-upgrade if there are kept-back packages	16:41
bluefoxicy	update/upgrade	16:41
IntuitiveNipple	do-releasse-upgrade	16:41
arp13	I'd say it's better to use aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade	16:41
IntuitiveNipple	oops... typos	16:41
IntuitiveNipple	do-release-upgrade	16:41
hggdh	hah!	16:41
hggdh	thanks	16:41
bluefoxicy	hggdh: ssh -XC user@yourserver -> sudo update-manager	16:42
hggdh	bluefoxicy, this will require X, and I do not have X on this machine	16:42
arp13	bluefoxicy, but what if he does not have X at serv?	16:42
hggdh	it is a real server	16:42
arp13	heh	16:42
arp13	:D	16:43
hggdh	do-release-upgrade -d is what I was looking for	16:43
Machtin	IntuitiveNipple: hm, kay	16:43
IntuitiveNipple	I've just installed jaunty server on a poweredge... then moved /var to it's own LVM lv, and got myself in a right mess with /var/run and /var/lock :)	16:43
BUGabundo	hggdh: didn't you know that?	16:44
bluefoxicy	or update-manager -d	16:44
bluefoxicy	hggdh: no	16:44
bluefoxicy	hggdh: your server doesn't need X	16:44
sebsebseb		16:44
bluefoxicy	hggdh: you ssh to it from another machine on your network, and run an X program, and it runs on YOUR machine	16:45
IntuitiveNipple	Here's a note to remember: if ever you move /var/* from the / file-system to another one, make sure to recreate the empty /var/run and /var/lock on the / file-system so varrun and varlock tmps's can be mounted during init whilst / f-s is still read-only.	16:45
bluefoxicy	firefox is awesome	16:45
genii	eg: ssh -l name place -XC xterm appname &	16:45
bluefoxicy	close it, "Do you want to save your tabs?" "Yes."	16:45
bluefoxicy	open firefox BLANK BROWSER.	16:46
BUGabundo	I'm playing with that right now.... but its to slow!	16:46
bluefoxicy	brb reboot	16:46
sebsebseb	so the beta is meant to be tommorow, but I wonder if it realy will make a difference on my system or not. Still no shutdown or logout buttons in the menu for me, I also still have it saying No Indicators on my top panel, even though someone suggested removing that. Also jaunty is meant to have a new notfiication system? That's the update system? Well my update system is like 8.10.	16:46
BUGabundo	bluefoxx: no need for sudo in update-manager	16:46
IntuitiveNipple	The 'notification system' is notify-osd.	16:47
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: right well what is it?	16:47
BUGabundo	bluefoxx: bash: -c: option requires an argument	16:48
IntuitiveNipple	update is still handled by update-manager, but it no longer uses the applet-icon by default - it uses notify-osd	16:48
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: well for updates of packages I haven't noticed any difference	16:48
IntuitiveNipple	sebsebseb: Read the -devel mailing list, there's been tons of discussion about these things.	16:48
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: well I would expect the beta to fix the issues that I mentioned	16:49
BUGabundo	sebsebseb: no changes schedule for those bugs	16:49
sebsebseb	BUGabundo: so people that cleanly install the beta, will also not get shut down and log out in the menu?	16:50
sebsebseb	BUGabundo: and maybe even have it saying No Indicators on the top panel?	16:50
IntuitiveNipple	I thought that "no indicators" thing just meant we have to use hand signals and look in the mirror	16:50
BUGabundo	ehehehe	16:50
BUGabundo	sebsebseb: I have fusa	16:50
BUGabundo	doesn't beta have it too?	16:50
sebsebseb	BUGabundo: what's fusa?	16:50
IntuitiveNipple	fast user switch applet	16:50
sebsebseb	BUGabundo: yes I have that, but the whole point is, before I also had shut down and log out in the "normal " menu	16:51
IntuitiveNipple	it replaced the previous applet for the shutdown/logout menu	16:51
sebsebseb	BUGabundo: removing it from the "normal" menu is stupidity at it's highest, people don't want to use fusa	16:51
BUGabundo	ok	16:51
BUGabundo	fine by me	16:52
sebsebseb	fusa can go f itself as far as I am concenred, it's just for now I have to use it.	16:52
BUGabundo	"Works For Me" TM	16:52
BUGabundo	bluefoxx: bash: -c: option requires an argument	16:52
bluefoxicy	http://rafb.net/p/JSwNOO86.html	16:52
sebsebseb	well or add a shut down log out button to my panel. or use the terminal to shut down	16:52
bluefoxicy	The first thing I do after booting is run top.	16:52
bluefoxicy	As soon as I'm logged in.	16:52
bluefoxicy	inside gnome-terminal.	16:52
bluefoxicy	anyone see a problem?	16:52
sebsebseb	no shut down and log out, in applications, places, system, really does stand out to me as the missing thing	16:53
sebsebseb	before there was that, and fusa, that's good to have both	16:53
bluefoxicy	sebsebseb: try log out vs shutdown in that menu	16:53
IntuitiveNipple	bluefoxicy: have you tried using iotop?	16:53
bluefoxicy	sebsebseb: logout gives you 60 seconds to cancel	16:53
bluefoxicy	reboot IMMEDIATELY REBOOTS NO QUESTIONS ASKED.	16:53
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: there is no log out in the "normal" menu anymore, and there must be, or people will think Ubuntu is stupid	16:53
sebsebseb	and yes I know about the auto shut down stuff	16:53
sebsebseb	I had that from the normal menu in 8.10, but everything in one thing	16:54
sebsebseb	trying to force people to use fusa is stupidity. also people that are new to Ubuntu won't even notice/know what that green icon is for	16:54
amortvigil	lol everykey i touch for more than 2 sec wil restart x	16:54
sebsebseb	people that are new to Ubuntu will know menus, because of Windows, and so will expect shutdown and log out, in the Applications Places System menu	16:55
sebsebseb	and then anyone who had tried a previous release, and then were to use 9.04 and find out no shut down and log out buttons in the "normal" menus, will think WTF?	16:56
ikonia	sebsebseb: I've asked you before to control the language	16:56
ikonia	sebsebseb: think about what we disscussed before speaking	16:56
sebsebseb	ikonia: heh sorry	16:56
ikonia	sebsebseb: I'm not laughing - you got a pretty clear warning	16:56
sebsebseb	ikonia: my bad, yeah this channel same rules, sometimes can forget	16:57
ikonia	no sweat	16:57
ikonia	eveyone slips up	16:57
sebsebseb	I am getting used to using fusa, but I would like shutdown and logout in the normal Applicaitons Places System like before, as well	16:58
hggdh	arghhh!	16:59
IntuitiveNipple	sebsebseb: The whole point of the development cycle is to discuss try these things. It's no good coming in at the end of the cycle and expecting changes. You've got to be involved all the way along - and even then other views may prevail	16:59
hggdh	finally I got control back....	16:59
IntuitiveNipple	hggdh: ? fighting you was it?	16:59
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: sure, but I think I had it in alpha6	16:59
hggdh	bluefoxicy, to answer you: this server had no SSH access	16:59
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: before some update that was pretty recant	16:59
IntuitiveNipple	sebsebseb: my point is, the plans for these changes were laid months ago	17:00
hggdh	BUGabundo, for you: I had forgotten -- I do not use to upgrade versions in servers that frequent ;-)	17:00
sebsebseb	IntuitiveNipple: also I expect it's not a feature that is difficult to program back in :)	17:00
bluefoxicy	hggdh: ah ok	17:00
Ienorand	I am actually okay with fusa, at least at the moment... But what is annoying is that there is no simple way to EDIT the system menu! As long as it's possible to easily revert they can remove things as far as I'm conc.	17:00
amortvigil	what is fusa?	17:00
BUGabundo	amortvigil: Fast User something	17:01
hggdh	IntuitiveNipple, lessons learned: it is not a Good Idea (TM) to run an upgrade on a VirtualBox image while running X. At least on VBox 2.1.4,, Linux 2.6.29, and Jaunty	17:01
Ienorand	...switching applet	17:01
BUGabundo	Ienorand: prob is you can't reach it with keyboard	17:01
sebsebseb	if 9.04 isn't good enough, I might even go back to Hardy or distro change. all releases of Ubuntu have been so similar since Gutsy. sure they improve, but nothing major	17:01
hggdh	so while I was upgrading the server, I decided to also upgrade an Intrepid image on my laptop... and the image grabbed control of my keyboard, and would not release it anyway	17:02
IntuitiveNipple	hggdh: eeeek!	17:02
Ienorand	BUGabundo: True... although Ctrl-alt-del does exist still....	17:02
hggdh	yay... 20 minutes locked out	17:03
sebsebseb	the fast user switcher is a bit silly, for one user systems also	17:03
hggdh	sebsebseb, not really. I use it to test things on a clean account	17:04
sebsebseb	I guess there must be some way for users, to be able to add shut down and logout back into the normal aplications places system menu?	17:04
Ienorand	sebsebseb: SInce it's meant to incorporate things like IM status it does make some sense...	17:05
sebsebseb	well not everyone is even going to be using Pidgin in Ubuntu	17:05
BUGabundo	Ienorand: thanks for the reminder! forgot about that	17:06
tgpraveen	hi ppl	17:06
IntuitiveNipple	FUA works with xchat too.	17:06
sebsebseb	Xchat heh	17:06
sebsebseb	I would rather use Konversation any day :)	17:06
tgpraveen	i am irritated b the 60 sec timeout that comes in jaunty when i click shutdown or restart	17:06
BUGabundo	hggdh: I heard about that bug a while ago	17:06
BUGabundo	it was fixed with some X iteration	17:07
IntuitiveNipple	well that or it puts the IM operations on the menu when no 'regular' IM client is active	17:07
BUGabundo	did it reappear?	17:07
BUGabundo	what is the VM?	17:07
tgpraveen	i think that it is very annoyiny and is a step backwardf in terms of usability is there a bug on that?	17:07
tgpraveen	what do u ppl say? also is there a way to turn it off?	17:07
thewrath	where can i post ifnormation on the forums related to januty?	17:07
IntuitiveNipple	si ti dlibertae msis sepillnig day?	17:08
thewrath	sorry IntuitiveNipple	17:08
IntuitiveNipple	:)	17:09
IntuitiveNipple	thewrath: you we'ren't the first... there was a string of them... seemed like good timing	17:09
thewrath	lol	17:09
thewrath	i have an issue on jaunty but it deals with a wifi card	17:09
thewrath	can i post that in here or on the forums under the jaunty area	17:10
IntuitiveNipple	you won't be alone then, we're attacking several 'bugettes' in that area	17:10
sebsebseb	well if your on 9.o4	17:10
sebsebseb	this is the place	17:10
sebsebseb	thewrath: ,but 8.10 gets wifi issues	17:10
IntuitiveNipple	If it's a bug, open a bug report	17:10
sebsebseb	thewrath: depending on your issue, you could pretend your on still on 8.10 and get suppourted in #ubuntu I expect :d	17:11
thewrath	lol	17:11
thewrath	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907	17:12
thewrath	i dont feel comfortable doing the update and the patch	17:12
thewrath	myself	17:12
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 305907 in linux "Complete system freeze when trying to connect to WPA2 network" [Undecided,New]	17:12
thewrath	from broadcom	17:12
thewrath	and could use some help when i am doing that	17:12
thewrath	bc i was running into an issue with that before	17:12
hggdh	BUGabundo, good to know, will look around	17:13
shaya	anyone here know how multi monitor support works in jaunty?	17:14
sebsebseb	Pici: oh just a kick, ok i'll take that as a serious warning	17:14
shaya	is it using xinerama?	17:14
shaya	I have multi monitor working	17:14
shaya	but not working w/ wine	17:14
rconan	shaya: how did you get it working?	17:14
IntuitiveNipple	I use multiple X screens	17:14
shaya	display applet	17:14
rconan	eh?	17:14
shaya	able to use openoffice multi monitor support just fine	17:15
shaya	but can't powerpoint in wine doesnt' see it	17:15
thewrath	i need to get that working on mine as well (multi monitor)	17:15
rconan	shaya: what does that actually do?	17:15
rconan	I haven't looked	17:15
shaya	display applet?	17:15
shaya	lets you configure your displays	17:16
IntuitiveNipple	only if video chipset and the monitors all support DDC and EDID	17:16
IntuitiveNipple	nvidia don't play nicely with that currently - have to use nvidia-settings	17:17
shaya	I'm using the OSS radeon driver	17:17
shaya	(esp as no fglrx in jaunty as of now)	17:17
shaya	so it works fine	17:17
shaya	though have to clock it back from 4x agp to 2x to ensure it doesnt hang on me	17:17
shaya	though that issue is now in its git repository	17:17
BUGabundo	hggdh: what is the VM?	17:20
Ienorand	How do I manually download similar to "apt-get source net-tools", for example in windows? I'm assuming something should be fetched from http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/net-tools but which file?	17:21
Pici	Ienorand: Use packages.ubuntu.com, i.e: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/net-tools	17:22
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hggdh	BUGabundo, VirtualBox 2.1.4	17:23
Ienorand	Pici: And which particular is the source, there only seems to be an "original" and "diff"...	17:23
Pici	Ienorand: Apply the diff to the original.	17:24
Ienorand	Pici: Okies, cheers	17:25
BUGabundo	Ienorand: you can also donwload them from LP	17:29
SandGorgon	guys.. any alternative pdf viewer - I need to copy huge amounts of text and document-viewer is having trouble separating left and right hand columns ..	17:32
thewrath	is there a person in here that ic an talk to in like 20 or so minutes to help me with updating a driver, etc	17:34
void^_	SandGorgon: try pdftotext	17:34
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ikonia	!away > Delvien	17:37
ubottu	Delvien, please see my private message	17:37
thewrath	ubottu: u goign ot be aroudn?	17:38
ubottu	Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	17:38
thewrath	clear	17:38
SandGorgon	void^_, : thanks.. not the best... but worked well enough for me	17:39
Ienorand	Okay, got the diff file and the net-tools-1.60 folder... What parameters do I use with patch command to apply it to a folder? Just use folder path as original file path?	17:40
Ienorand	This is what I'm trying (and failing to do) http://www.mibbit.com/pb/TR8gRa	17:43
void^_	maybe something like cd net-tools-1.60 && patch --dry-run -p1 -i ../net-tools_1.60-21ubuntu1.diff	17:48
linkinx64	hello!! where can i see my brightness settings for my webcam?	17:50
linkinx64	is dang dark	17:50
Drknezz	Hey	17:50
linkinx64	hello!	17:50
Drknezz	Any chance Nix PM gets into Jaunty?	17:50
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Ienorand	void^_: Cheers, seemed to work, didn't realise stdout would be current folder...	17:53
vbgunz	how can i check stuff like my writeback and elevator?	17:53
Pici	Drknezz: If its not there by now, then its very unlikely it will get in this release.	17:54
Pici	Drknezz: Do you know if there was a bug filed to have it included?	17:54
Drknezz	Pici, not a bug report, but, it would be nice anyways	17:55
Drknezz	Nix seems to be nice	17:55
Drknezz	It would be really cool to fix dependency issues	17:55
Pici	Drknezz: Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for getting new packages included in Ubuntu	17:56
Drknezz	Never knew 'bout that	17:56
bromic94	hey what happens if i have a kernal panic during recovery mode as well somethign wtih input/output error	18:02
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thewrath	?	18:05
calc	wow linus called ted out about the ext3/ext4 fs crap	18:16
calc	nice linkage on /.	18:16
calc	"Whoever came up with that solution was a	18:16
calc	moron. No ifs, buts, or maybes about it.	18:16
thewrath	is jaunty still on for a release of April 23?	18:19
calc	thewrath: yes ubuntu generally doesn't slip, the only release that i know of that did was dapper (the first lts)	18:19
Machtin	https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FinalFreeze i like point #4	18:20
thewrath	calc: why was that	18:20
thewrath	brb	18:21
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dennda	Anybody able to install and start mpd?	18:25
dennda	It always says the port is already in use (independent of the port I choose)	18:25
Pici	dennda: Is the port you are choosing above 1024?	18:28
dennda	Pici: Yes, even the default port already is.	18:30
dennda	6600 is default, I tried 6666 and 66664 as well	18:30
Le-Chuck_ITA	hi all, how it comes that synonims in openoffice are disabled in jaunty even though I have all the thesaurus-alike modules enabled?	18:33
dennda	Pici: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075843 Second posting helped	18:33
Le-Chuck_ITA	ah no I don't have those	18:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	ehmm	18:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	I have openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us installed	18:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	but thesaurus is disabled in ooo	18:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	sh**!!	18:35
Le-Chuck_ITA	(sorry) apt installs openoffice-org-thesaurus-en-us in place of -gb	18:35
Le-Chuck_ITA	and then if I use the en-gb language in openoffice, it won't do thesaurus	18:36
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Le-Chuck_ITA	but I want en-gb spellchecking...	18:36
DanaG	http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1104493	18:38
DanaG	I have the same issue.	18:38
Stormx2	Beta tomorrow, right? What sort of time will be be out? evening GMT ish, or is it hard to say?	18:41
rww	Stormx2: It's very hard to say.	18:44
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: hmm? looking at scrollback now	18:44
rww	Stormx2: if you just grab an alpha 6 disc now and update it, you'll have pretty much the same thing, though (although I guess that's not useful if you want to do installer testing)	18:44
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: you must have the thesaurus for the language/locale you are using	18:45
Le-Chuck_ITA	calc: I actually discovered that en-us spellchecker seems to accept also -gb variants but... I have thesaurus disabled also when setting the document language to en-us!!	18:45
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: so for en-gb you need the en-gb one	18:45
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: hmm, let me look at my system to see if it works here	18:45
Le-Chuck_ITA	calc: not only, but I actually would like -us variants of words to be underlined in red as I am italian and need to write in -gb :)	18:45
Le-Chuck_ITA	by the way: how it comes that tab-completion on apt now lists also installed packages?	18:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	I mean on apt-get iinstall	18:46
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: huh?	18:47
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: apt-get doesn't list already installed packages except in the autoremove section	18:47
Le-Chuck_ITA	calc: perhaps my .bashrc is screwed	18:47
calc	oh hmm you said tab completion, i'll check that in a minute	18:48
calc	updating my jaunty atm	18:48
Le-Chuck_ITA	did you see if your thesaurus work?	18:48
calc	i didn't have it installed at all on my desktop, my laptop is in the process of being reinstalled	18:48
calc	so i had to upgrade and install the thesaurus	18:48
Le-Chuck_ITA	ok	18:48
calc	i think my new laptop hard drive is about to die or something else weird :\	18:49
calc	BUGabundo: hi	18:50
BUGabundo	hey calc	18:50
DanaG	calc: make sure to make backups.	18:50
calc	BUGabundo: my laptop hd started acting up so i can't do email atm :\	18:50
calc	DanaG: backing it all up now actually	18:51
calc	DanaG: it remounted r/o earlier so i rebooted and backing it all up now	18:51
danbeck	Got my Mini9	18:51
danbeck	Ready for Jaunty	18:51
calc	then i will be doing a security erase enhanced and full smart test on the drive	18:51
BUGabundo	eheh calc np	18:51
calc	wow the upgrade for my desktop is taking a long time	18:51
calc	BUGabundo: did you get your $HOME/.gvfs working?	18:52
BUGabundo	calc yes	18:52
BUGabundo	and closed the bug	18:52
calc	BUGabundo: ok	18:52
BUGabundo	needed gvfs-fuse	18:52
calc	yea	18:52
BUGabundo	not instaled for some stupid reason	18:52
Le-Chuck_ITA	guys can some of you check if your thesaurus (ctrl+f7) is working in openoffice?	18:52
Le-Chuck_ITA	I have to leave and don't have internet connection at home :)	18:52
calc	BUGabundo: can you check quick? ^ i'm still upgrading mine	18:52
Le-Chuck_ITA	at least I want to know	18:53
* BUGabundo gnome-do: word ENTER		18:53
calc	upgrading 200 packages takes a while :\	18:53
BUGabundo	ctrl f7 will do nothing	18:53
Le-Chuck_ITA	It is working	18:53
Le-Chuck_ITA	the problem was that openoffice had set the language to en-us for every paragraph	18:54
BUGabundo	humm I haven't nothing instaled for it	18:54
Le-Chuck_ITA	sorry to en-gb	18:54
BUGabundo	LOL	18:54
calc	Le-Chuck_ITA: ah ok	18:54
Le-Chuck_ITA	so I had to select the text and change the language for the paragraph :)	18:54
calc	yea you can set languages on just about everything in OOo for multilanguage support :\	18:54
Le-Chuck_ITA	calc: that does not change the problem of not having an en-gb thesaurus	18:54
Le-Chuck_ITA	but at least I have something... will try to avoid to look for "lift" into it :)	18:54
Le-Chuck_ITA	thanks all and bye	18:55
calc	there might be one on the extensions website	18:55
calc	there is a link to the site in the tools->extension manager	18:56
Le-Chuck_ITA	ok thanks	18:57
* BUGabundo hates SiS based Laptops		19:00
maco	BUGabundo: you get that link i sent you?	19:00
* calc hates SiS... period		19:00
BUGabundo	maco I did! didn't get it dough	19:00
calc	but probably not as much as i hate nvidia ;-)	19:00
maco	huh?	19:01
BUGabundo	calc: we have lots of them in PT.... need to debug network	19:01
BUGabundo	maco: where did that come from? did i do something I shouldn't?	19:01
FFEMTcJ	is there any reason not to run /home on ext4	19:01
BUGabundo	FFEMTcJ: do you have stable hw?	19:02
BUGabundo	does it crash a lot?	19:02
BUGabundo	if it doesn't you are safe	19:02
FFEMTcJ	hasnt crashed at all	19:02
BUGabundo	if not, then you could have some data loss, when power fails, due to bigger time slots	19:02
BUGabundo	to dump to disk	19:02
calc	i would avoid ext4 until at least linux 2.6.30	19:02
calc	but then i like my data	19:02
calc	they fixed a lot of major issues in 2.6.29 so i would give it at least one kernel release where they aren't fixing major ext4 issues before i personally would use it	19:03
FFEMTcJ	calc: what about for / and have /home ext3	19:04
calc	there is some discussion of potentially making it default for 9.10	19:04
void^_	i'm testing ext4 on /	19:04
calc	FFEMTcJ: its up to you, i'm staying far away, i've had data eaten by not well enough tested FS before	19:04
fosco__	i have ext4 in / and /home with no fails at all	19:04
void^_	there's nothing important on / after all so i need not worry about losing data	19:04
calc	fedora 11 is going to default to ext4 afaik so most bugs should be shaken out by 2.6.30/31 i think	19:04
BUGabundo	I have / as ext3 /home as XFS	19:04
calc	BUGabundo: XFS was what ate my system the last time, but that was several years ago before they fixed the "big bug" :-\	19:05
Hexenkind	does anybody know wheather x-server is stable by using native nvidia drivers?	19:05
calc	Hexenkind: "nv" or the binary only "nvidia"?	19:06
void^_	xfs is pretty reliable nowadays, i often use it for / and some data partitions that get a lot of usage	19:06
calc	Hexenkind: i think nv works pretty much, the binary only ones are crap imho	19:06
DanaG	actually, nv is what is crap.	19:06
DanaG	The quality of the binaries depends on what hardware you have.	19:06
calc	DanaG: at least it doesn't crash your system or not display OOo	19:06
calc	nvidia binary driver has always been crap... and is mentioned specifically in the ext4 thread that was on /. today	19:07
DanaG	On my spare old NV17-based laptop, it crashes Xorg.	19:07
Hexenkind	i mean the nvidia binary	19:07
DanaG	Previous versions had entirely missing text.	19:07
calc	DanaG: i'm still getting bug reports on OOo about the missing text problem	19:07
DanaG	Correction: garbled (as in somebody taking a pen and scribbling all over it), or missing.	19:07
DanaG	Happened with Wine, too. Also happened with ALL apps if I had entirely disabled font antialiasing of any sort.	19:08
DanaG	Yeah, nvidia binary sucks rather horribly for old hardware.	19:08
BUGabundo	calc: aren't those nvidia bug?	19:09
calc	http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/227 <- that is specifically talking about Ubuntu installing 'nvidia'	19:09
calc	BUGabundo: yes my point being 'nv' is much better than using the crap that is 'nvidia'	19:09
BUGabundo	I need to place a compiz Fire dot so I can use OOo and Kmail	19:09
BUGabundo	I can't run compiz extra on NV	19:09
calc	'nvidia' has always been extremely buggy	19:09
BUGabundo	can't use multimonitor with NV	19:09
Machtin	does 9.04 contain ext4?	19:09
calc	we can't even forward bug reports to Nvidia the company because they put a hard limit on how many reports they will allow	19:10
rww	Machtin: yes.	19:10
Machtin	kk	19:10
BUGabundo	Machtin: Jaunty supports ext4	19:10
* calc was reading through some of the nvidia bug reports yesterday and found out that bit of information		19:10
BUGabundo	can't contain it!! ext* is a FileSystem	19:10
BUGabundo	calc: are you kidding me? they limit it?	19:11
BUGabundo	ROFL	19:11
Hexenkind	hmm ive got a dell xps m1330. it should work yet	19:11
calc	BUGabundo: stop abusing non-native speakers ;-P	19:11
calc	BUGabundo: yea	19:11
BUGabundo	calc: I'm non-native	19:11
calc	BUGabundo: i don't know what the limit is but they definitely refuse to accept over a relatively small number of bug reports	19:11
calc	BUGabundo: ok :)	19:11
BUGabundo	never been to a English speaking country either	19:11
DanaG	Hah, with that NV17 (gotta' love that advertising a geforce2 as being newer than a geforce3!)	19:12
DanaG	.... I can't even use Xorg at all!	19:12
Machtin	sorry for sloppy message.. what i meant: when i install 9.04 from cd.. will i be able to choose ext4 as filesystem to format with, BUGabundo?	19:12
DanaG	Log in..... hang if compiz is enabled.	19:12
DanaG	If Compiz is not enabled................ Xorg segfaults.	19:12
rww	Machtin: yes, you will	19:12
DanaG	Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks, nvidia!	19:12
Machtin	wonderful :)	19:12
calc	Machtin: i am pretty sure you can select it in the options for formatting if you do manual format mode	19:12
* rww did it the other day		19:13
BUGabundo	Machtin: you have to do a manual partition schema	19:13
BUGabundo	but yes, you can choose Ext4	19:13
Machtin	is there any reason not to?	19:13
BUGabundo	ext3 is default	19:13
calc	i am using ext4 on one of my systems but will be reformatting it to ext3 when jaunty comes out to be safe	19:13
calc	been to busy updating OOo to take the time to reinstall that one	19:14
calc	Machtin: ext4 is not actually stable yet, despite what sites claim	19:14
DanaG	It's especially amusing if you use auto-login.	19:14
Machtin	i see.	19:14
DanaG	Auto-login. Crash. Auto-login. Crash. Auto-login. Crash. Auto-login. Crash. Auto-login. Crash.	19:14
rww	Machtin: It's not supported as well as ext3, and had some teething problems. I'd recommend using ext3 unless you have a good reason not to.	19:14
calc	Machtin: tytso thinks its stable and got flamed yesterday on linux kernel mailing list about how it works	19:14
Machtin	harr, i see.	19:14
Machtin	okay then.. hm.	19:15
calc	Machtin: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/25/020207 <- if you read through the thread you will see where Linus calls tytso (ext4 author) a moron	19:15
BUGabundo	calc let me disagree... ext4 is stable	19:15
calc	Machtin: the thread referenced to by /. not the /. thread itself	19:15
BUGabundo	it just changes what we are used too	19:16
BUGabundo	and how many apps are expecting FS to do	19:16
calc	BUGabundo: in a way that is not sane, which was what the previous Ubuntu bug report was about, it appears Linus finally heard about it too	19:16
Machtin	will read	19:16
calc	BUGabundo: filesystem should not write metadata and free old location before writing new data	19:16
calc	BUGabundo: which is what the entire problem boils down to and is why linus called tytso a moron	19:17
BUGabundo	hihih	19:17
calc	BUGabundo: yes fsck will complete fast but then you have no ability to determine if the data on said fs is consistent	19:17
calc	just that the fs thinks it is	19:17
Machtin	well.. okay, i'll keep ext3 then i guess.	19:18
calc	Machtin: it should be sorted out in the next few months i imagine	19:18
calc	Machtin: probably by the time Ubuntu 9.10 comes out anyway	19:18
calc	BUGabundo: he patched up 2.6.29 to make it work (aiui) but that added potential deadlocks as well from what i read on lkml a few weeks ago	19:19
Machtin	calc: kk	19:19
calc	BUGabundo: which wasn't really a good fix, heh	19:19
Machtin	but i guess i need to reformat then.. actually.. i'm pretty sure.	19:19
* calc doesn't know what the current state of that workaround patch is now though		19:19
BUGabundo	guys see you tomorrow	19:26
gsuveg	jaunty netbook remix wokrs on my acer one :)	19:36
gsuveg	im happy	19:36
rom	hi	19:42
rom	Since the last upgrade, I have many segfault	19:42
rom	sudo apt-get update : segfault	19:43
rom	ccsm : segfault	19:43
rom	(core dumped)	19:43
dan457	well, beta tomorrow. ;-)	19:43
gsuveg	rom, what version have u ?	19:43
rom	alpha 6	19:43
FFEMTcJ	I thought that exchange was supposed to work on 9.04	19:44
FFEMTcJ	with evolution	19:44
gsuveg	rom, i have a6 too, and now i make upgrade :/	19:44
gsuveg	let me see, what happend	19:44
gsuveg	we hope no segfault ;)	19:45
FFEMTcJ	is the daily using gnome 2.26?	19:46
PhotoJim	gsuveg: I'm not using netbook remix, but I am running Jaunty on my AA1. Working really well now.	19:46
PhotoJim	gsuveg: automatic recognition of WiFi would be good. that's the only issue I had. but it works well once properly configured. and GSM modem support is fantastic.	19:47
gsuveg	PhotoJim, i like now remox :)	19:47
PhotoJim	gsuveg: I'm tempted to try it, but I know the standard interface well. :)	19:47
gsuveg	yes, u have rightt	19:47
gsuveg	in big i have the standard - only background changed	19:48
gsuveg	in netbook i try now the remix	19:48
gsuveg	PhotoJim, wifi works after blacklist	19:48
gsuveg	and with upgrade i install now the backport modules i hope its better	19:48
PhotoJim	gsuveg: yup, that's what I did to get it working.	19:49
PhotoJim	gsuveg: but Jaunty is the first Ubuntu I've used that automatically recognized my GSM modem, which really impressed me. Took me under a minute to get it configured.	19:49
gsuveg	un intrepid ive used special kernel and soso	19:49
gsuveg	PhotoJim, great, what modem have u ?	19:50
PhotoJim	gsuveg: Novatel Ovation MC950D. Quad-band GSM/EDGE, HSDPA/HSUPA 850/1900/2100.	19:50
gsuveg	ah u are ein .ca	19:51
PhotoJim	gsuveg: it mounts as a flash drive when you first connect it (has the Windows drivers). Eject the "CD"... and it mounts as a GSM modem.	19:51
PhotoJim	gsuveg: yup, but this modem is used in Europe too. doesn't do 3G @ 900 MHz, but it does at 2100.	19:51
gsuveg	i have yet	19:52
gsuveg	but i think to buy one	19:52
gsuveg	with a prepaid card	19:52
PhotoJim	I highly recommend the MC950D with Linux.	19:52
gsuveg	i test it before buy :)	19:52
PhotoJim	I'm not sure the usb-serial driver is up to 7.2 Mbps yet, but other than that, it's great.	19:52
PhotoJim	Good plan.	19:52
gsuveg	here is a huawei e160 what can i buy	19:53
gsuveg	but now not important, i have a few month time	19:54
PhotoJim	the E160 is good, it only goes up to 3.6Mbps but it supports the same bands (2G and 3G) as mine does.	19:54
gsuveg	ist only 80eur with card	19:55
gsuveg	prepaid	19:55
PhotoJim	that seems reasonable.	19:56
PhotoJim	I paid $99 Cdn for my MC950D, but 1-year contract.	19:56
gsuveg	yes. ive see other thwat 60 eur, and old one modem	19:57
gsuveg	1 Gig / 20 eur	19:58
PhotoJim	gsuveg: sounds like a good one to me.	19:59
gsuveg	how many u need to pay for 1Gig ?	19:59
PhotoJim	gsuveg: my data plan is variable rate. $20 Cdn for 512MB, but it goes up as I use more data. 1 gig is $30. 5 gigs for $75. 10 gigs for $100.	19:59
PhotoJim	$1 Cdn ~= 0.60 EUR	19:59
Pici	!ot	20:00
ubottu	#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!	20:00
gsuveg	Pici, sry.	20:00
PhotoJim	Pici: np, channel was silent so I didn't think it would be a problem.	20:00
=== Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk
rconan	aynone else experienced bugs with maximising going behind gnome-panel	20:05
rconan	I think they might be xinerama related	20:05
DanaG	Oh yeah, are there prepaid data plans for the USA?	20:06
DanaG	If I wanted an internal data card, it'd have to be the Qualcomm Gobi, because that's the only one HP offers for my laptop.	20:07
PhotoJim	DanaG: I replied by PM.	20:10
rom	all my apps segfault :(	20:14
calc	DanaG: in the US unlimited is ~ $60 and by unlimited they mean they will cancel your account if you go over 5GB/month	20:15
DanaG	yeah, expensive.	20:15
calc	DanaG: and you can't really get over 5GB for any price aiui	20:15
DanaG	Not worth the price, if both places I go (home and school) already have wifi. =þ	20:15
calc	since they already claim that is 'unlimited' which it very much is not :-\	20:16
PhotoJim	maybe we should start ubuntu-gsm :)	20:17
PhotoJim	#ubuntu-gsm that is	20:17
calc	oh wow, i uh screwed up	20:17
calc	i pulled my cdrom drive which i was booted off of out of my laptop and stuck a hard drive in place of it and did a security-erase, i was wondering why the system was acting weirdly	20:18
calc	apparently enough of the system is cached that the erase is working	20:19
calc	it appears thinkpads freezes the drives it sees on boot so i had to use the ultrabay	20:19
DanaG	oh yeah, handy thing to install: scsiadd.	20:21
DanaG	It'll let you rescan scsi buses.	20:21
o0Chris0o	beta is out tomorrow right?	20:22
fosco_	yes	20:22
DanaG	I can also have a secondary hard drive in my laptop: http://www.google.com/products?q=ak868ut&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf	20:23
o0Chris0o	fosco_: thanks	20:23
DanaG	Too bad HP charges soooo much for it.. and won't sell it without a drive already in it.	20:23
josh-l	yellow	20:23
LordKow	beta is technically already out if you have the latest updates from the repos, since beta freeze is in effect ;)	20:29
LordKow	so -rfakeroot should not be needed in dpkg-buildpackage if you intend on using fakeroot and fakeroot is already installed?	20:32
LordKow	the manpage for dpkg-buildpackage is leading me to believe that.	20:32
cwillu	LordKow, that's not really what that means	20:38
cwillu	major versions, (re: betafreeze"	20:39
LordKow	cwillu, my point is all but extremely important fixes before beta release.	20:43
LordKow	there shouldn't be any new major versions as of a while ago now.	20:43
o0Chris0o	how do I enable the cube so it looks like a box and I can rotate it any direction?	20:50
fosco_	ccsm	20:50
o0Chris0o	yeah	20:50
o0Chris0o	I know	20:50
fosco_	so?	20:50
o0Chris0o	not asking what program to use :)	20:50
o0Chris0o	asking how to get it working correctly	20:51
cwi	Any idea what could cause brightness changes to no longer be displayed in a notification, but volume still does?	20:52
hil	o0Chris0o: set workspaces to 4 and activate it.	20:53
o0Chris0o	ok	20:54
cwillu	LordKow, so you're willing to discount the effects of extremely important fixes by saying that a beta-freeze version is technically the same as the beta-release version?	20:54
cwillu	LordKow, in that case, why don't we just take the feature freeze and release ubuntu 9.04 3 months early? :p	20:55
o0Chris0o	hil still not working correctly, its just a straight line of 4 desktops	20:55
LordKow	cwillu, im looking at it from the amount of code change.	20:55
cwillu	LordKow, and I'm saying that amount of code change completely ignores the relative importance of those code changes	20:56
o0Chris0o	hil: nvm I had to enable Cube Reflection and Deformation :)	20:56
hil	o0Chris0o: there are 2 settings in ccsm ... desktop cube and rotate cube. need both. works also without reflections ;)	20:58
o0Chris0o	hil: what setting is it to make it more father way	20:58
o0Chris0o	awa*	20:59
hil	o0Chris0o: 'zoom' in rotate cube settings	20:59
rohdef	is there an ppa or something like it for Suns Java 6 u13?	21:02
cwi	Figured it out. Custom Icon theme trying to inherit "human" instead of "Human". notify-osd didn't pick up the theme change until the next session, so I didn't see immediate failure.	21:02
o0Chris0o	hmm	21:03
o0Chris0o	hil: its not zooming out for some reason	21:05
hil	o0Chris0o: does only when using ctrl-alt+mouse	21:06
o0Chris0o	yeah, its not tho	21:06
Xisdibik	Anyone know if the sound crackling is a driver problem for alsa/pulse or if its something deeper than that?	21:07
dan457	pulse with newer hdaudio	21:07
o0Chris0o	Xisdibik: its a problem with the kernel in jaunty jon #alsa and speak to dtchen :D	21:07
Xisdibik	:D ok thanks	21:08
o0Chris0o	np	21:08
Xisdibik	o0Chris0o, also, occasoinally i get graphical funkies on the screen, like text in Skype gets mashed into lines, and wont go away if u minimize/maximize, but if u scroll up and then scroll back down, it solves it :)	21:09
Xisdibik	u heard of that or experianced it at all?	21:09
dtchen	Xisdibik: it's a kernel issue	21:15
dtchen	i have test kernels uploaded, but you may want to wait for me to upload my next set	21:15
Xisdibik	dtchen: ah ok, do you know wheen that might be? :)	21:15
dtchen	probably an hour	21:16
Xisdibik	ah ok	21:16
Xisdibik	ill be gone by then, but i can get it later tonight/tomorrow	21:16
Machtin	hm.. I have two interfaces: wlan0 and eth0, eth0 works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't - i think that's related to dlan, which i think is a bit broken.. wlan0 therefore is really screwed.. i use an AVM wlan-stick and sometimes i boot and the interface is there and sometimes it's not.	21:17
Machtin	why is that?	21:17
Machtin	btw. sometimes the interface is there, but iwlist scan (as root.. or with sudo) doesn't show any networks.. and they _are_ in range.	21:17
holzmodem	hi, I use Jaunty with an ATI 9700m and the Xorg driver. My problem is, the system freezes 1-2 times randomly, so i have to reset hard my system. I switched from XXA to EXA but it didn't help... what could be wrong?	21:18
Machtin	by "the interface is there" i mean ifconfig -a lists wlan0.. and i can see it at that icon next to my clock	21:18
superdump	hello	21:19
Machtin	hi	21:19
superdump	i've just installed the base system using the intrepid mini iso and i want to upgrade to jaunty	21:19
superdump	the do-release-upgrade method isn't working	21:20
superdump	it says no new releases found	21:20
superdump	and Prompt=normal is set	21:20
Machtin	uhm, jaunty is not released.. shouldn't upgrade therefore, should it?	21:20
hggdh	Machtin, you can upgrade, with the caveat that this is alpha going to beta. Also, read the title of this channel	21:23
dan457	hmm, alt-f2 update-manager -d	21:23
dan457	use at your own risk.. lol	21:24
dan457	still, i'd wait till tonight or tomorow so you get beta lvl	21:24
Machtin	hggdh: if you mean the topic: do you want to say i shouldn't ask for help with my network, since i'm using alpha?	21:25
hggdh	Machtin, no, you can ask. The point is things can get broken. OTH, the experience of us running alpha helps point to issues	21:25
dan457	since beta is almost out, i'd wait for it and try a fresh install...	21:26
Machtin	wonderful :) on this computer i'm not using the alpha.. but the new one 'required' it	21:26
hggdh	heh.	21:26
Machtin	do you maybe have a clue about that wlan0-thing?	21:26
hggdh	I do not know what is the AVM, so I cannot really help. You do say it is a stick, so probably it is USB	21:27
dan457	Not me. all the computers i've been testing lan works good... even a moble broadband device for sprint	21:27
Machtin	it is usb, yup.. and it's installed via ndiswrapper.	21:28
hggdh	so start with it unplugged; then run 'lsusb', and save the output; then plug it in, wait a few seconds, and run another 'lsusb';	21:28
hggdh	ah	21:28
Machtin	at this point my dad's using it without problems..	21:28
hggdh	which ndiswrapper are you using? Ubuntu's, or the upstream?	21:29
Machtin	ubuntu's	21:29
hggdh	Check upstream version -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/; also read their mailing list, perhaps someone else has the same hardware	21:31
hggdh	I stopped using ndiswrapper sometime ago (when b43 got to be stable(r)), so I stopped worrying about it, sorry	21:32
sianis	asac: please review this bug #331794	21:32
ubottu	Launchpad bug 331794 in thunderbird "No Hungarian entry in the .desktop file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331794	21:32
Machtin	no need to apologize :)	21:32
superdump	hello again	21:32
Machtin	thanks! i'll check that	21:32
superdump	sorry, my connection timed out	21:32
hggdh	welcome	21:32
dan457	might want to check to see if a newer kernel supports your device. you might not need the wrapper anymore.	21:32
superdump	did anyone add anything more?	21:32
superdump	i said that i thought there should be some Prompt=next or something to allow upgrading to an as-yet unreleased version	21:33
dan457	superdump, have you tried alt-f2 update-manager -d	21:34
superdump	i haven't installed ubuntu-desktop yet	21:34
dan457	ok, nvm then	21:35
superdump	i wanted to upgrade to jaunty, then install ubuntu-desktop	21:35
* DanaG has switched back to the old notification daemon.		21:35
DanaG	Aaah, it's so nice not having (all those issues I've already griped about).	21:35
o0Chris0o	dtchen: cool, your doing a new set :D	21:39
Xisdibik	ah your back o0Chris0o ;)	21:41
o0Chris0o	yeah :)	21:41
Xisdibik	o0Chris0o: did u see what i posted earlier about the graphical anomalies? :)	21:56
o0Chris0o	yeah, but dtchen says it has to do with the kernel, which I belive he is quite right :)	21:57
o0Chris0o	just remember Jaunty is still in production :D	21:58
o0Chris0o	Beta comes out tomorrow too	21:58
TuTUXG	ext4 data loss?	22:00
TuTUXG	http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/460	22:00
josh-l	i know this is an annoying question, but, when is alpha 7 due out? or is it beta 1?	22:01
TuTUXG	in a few hours	22:02
hggdh	!schedule	22:02
ubottu	A schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule	22:02
* DanaG uses data=journal mode.		22:03
LordKow	TuTUXG, thats a good link. i've tried to explain that to people before but noone believed me. maybe they'll believe the kernel creator.	22:03
TuTUXG	lol	22:04
TuTUXG	it's just funny to see him showing his badness	22:04
TuTUXG	;P	22:04
LordKow	yep. well i'd be annoyed too with all the bs that is getting spread around regarding ext4	22:04
vbgunz	is the default elevator in Ubuntu cfq?	22:05
LordKow	[ 1.386774] io scheduler cfq registered (default)	22:06
vbgunz	whats the writeback?	22:06
vbgunz	its journaled by default?	22:06
LordKow	dmesg isnt telling me that	22:06
LordKow	the filesystem?	22:07
vbgunz	I believe I may be experiencing some issues with the disk. vim can sometimes take about 5-10 seconds to save a file becoming unresponsive :/	22:07
TuTUXG	only for ext4 i guess	22:07
o0Chris0o	the notification window is defaulted in the top right corner? is it going to be able to be customized in final version?	22:07
LordKow	ext3 and 4 are journaled by default.	22:07
LordKow	ext4 doesnt work without a journal with kernel < 2.6.29	22:08
crdlb	o0Chris0o: I doubt it	22:08
o0Chris0o	thats too bad	22:08
vbgunz	im on Gutsy and chose ext3 ... was really tempted about ext4 but thought I wait it out one more release	22:08
josh-l	TuTUXG: seriously in a few hours?	22:08
TuTUXG	josh-l, according to the schedule	22:08
TuTUXG	the beta	22:08
josh-l	TuTUXG: schedule says march 26th its the 25th	22:09
TuTUXG	its almost 26th ;)	22:09
josh-l	not in a couple of hours though	22:10
LordKow	yes	22:10
LordKow	it will be march 26th in 1 hour and 50 minutes	22:11
TuTUXG	see	22:11
josh-l	oh what time zone?	22:11
LordKow	but that doesn't mean that is exactly when the beta is coming out.	22:11
LordKow	UTC.	22:11
josh-l	oh	22:11
josh-l	yeah	22:11
josh-l	good, i hope this release will fix my shutdown/reboot issue	22:12
josh-l	that was the only reason i stopped using jaunty a few days ago	22:12
TuTUXG	what's the issue?	22:12
josh-l	TuTUXG: wouldnt shutdown, or reboot, would stick on "system will now reboot" and "system will not halt"	22:13
TuTUXG	got that once	22:14
TuTUXG	i think a kernel update fixed that	22:15
TuTUXG	for me	22:15
josh-l	when was that update released?	22:16
hacker07	is 9.04 fast	22:16
gabrielgomez	does anyone know if opensync synce works in Jaunty ?	22:18
Xisdibik	o0Chris0o: was referring to the graphics bugs i mentioned after the sound stuff. but its ok, i gotta get off work and go out. see you later	22:18
LordKow	josh-l, there were all kinds of reboot quirks added to the 2.6.28 ubuntu kernel over the last couple of months. mostly for various dell laptop models	22:18
LordKow	a couple associated with lpia also.	22:19
josh-l	LordKow: interesting im running on a dell laptop	22:20
LordKow	josh-l, which model?	22:20
josh-l	LordKow: inspiron 1525	22:21
gabrielgomez	does anyone know if opensync synce works in Jaunty ?	22:22
LordKow	josh-l, well if you are using the latest kernel (linux-image-generic Installed: 2.6.28.11.13) then i would probably file a bug report against linux make sure to specify your laptop model and also the exact problem.	22:24
josh-l	im going to install beta and we'll see	22:26
DanaG	By default, ext3 and ext4 journal only the metadata.	22:27
DanaG	I have mine set to journal the file data (content) itself, too.	22:27
aerkn	is firefox 3.1 going to be released as an update in jaunty or will it be in 9.10?	22:28
aerkn	3.5*	22:28
LordKow	DanaG, what are the upsides and downsides to journaling the content?	22:28
gmiernicki	aerkn: it will be in 9.04	22:28
DanaG	Supposedly some performance loss, for one -- but it means all file actions should either happen, or not happen, and not get stuck in "half-done" state.	22:28
gmiernicki	the package will get updated	22:28
gmiernicki	imo, its better to run compiled versions from ftp.mozilla.org	22:29
gmiernicki	much more stable on intrepid	22:29
aerkn	gmiernicki, so in the beta of ubuntu tomorrow and final, will it be a beta of firefox?	22:29
DanaG	http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext3_Filesystem_Tips	22:29
gmiernicki	im not sure if pre-releases of firefox get into the pre-release repo or not	22:29
gmiernicki	i think only final releases get pushed out	22:30
aerkn	gmiernicki, i remember in hardy a beta of firefox was included in the shipping for final ubuntu 8.04	22:30
damnubuntu_	how stable is the ext4 filesystem in jaunty?	22:30
aerkn	don't use it	22:30
gmiernicki	its pretty easy to run 3.5 atm, just pull it down from ftp.mozilla.org, extract, and launch with -P option :)	22:31
nemo	heh	22:31
DanaG	you know, there's a mozilla team PPA.	22:31
gmiernicki	i always have a current and trunk build going	22:31
* DanaG is using ff3.1 betas from it.		22:31
aerkn	gmiernicki, yea, i'm running beta 3 now, just curious thats all	22:31
gmiernicki	but im a web developer :)	22:31
nemo	aerkn: yeah, if I could have done magic sysrq + s I'dve not been so sad	22:31
nemo	however, inability to sync + major filesystem changes + crash + ext4	22:31
nemo	bad times	22:31
DanaG	hmm, you have an SSH server?	22:31
aerkn	are there already builds of jaunty beta out, or is that tomorrow?	22:32
DanaG	If you do, you can actually (as root) echo a single letter into /proc/sysrq-trigger.	22:32
DanaG	For root, you should use tune2fs, not just fstab.	22:34
DanaG	http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs8.html#4	22:34
TuTUXG	DanaG, very useful information, does tune2fs work with ext4?	22:37
DanaG	yeah.	22:37
DanaG	Same flags apply.	22:37
TuTUXG	sweet	22:37
DanaG	Interestingly enough, for me to use laptop-mode-tools, I have actually set a (perhaps excessively) long commit time: 15 minutes.	22:38
LordKow	so does the root filesystem get unmounted and remounted during start-up? (ie does grub mount it read-only and then init scripts unmount and remount using the fstab options?)	22:38
DanaG	Too bad the radeon eats all the power I might've saved from spinning down the hard drive. =þ	22:38
DanaG	If you edit fstab for root, you ALSO have to add rootflags= to the boot options, or it fails to mount root.	22:38
DanaG	You can't remount to change journal type.	22:38
LordKow	well, i have no rootflags mentioned in menu.lst but yet mount returns the mount options for / that i have specified in fstab.	22:39
DanaG	It only matters if you change journaling type.	22:39
LordKow	k	22:39
DanaG	So, for changing journaling type, it's better to use tune2fs.	22:39
alex_mayorga	would we get something "Pre like" on the notifications? Grouped by people, not application?	22:40
LordKow	so i have 2 different menu item entries in System -> Preferencies with the name "Sound"	22:50
LordKow	:-/	22:50
=== bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth
LordKow	how does one search for which package a particular file belongs to?	23:05
TheMuso	LordKow: dpkg -S filename	23:05
LordKow	thank you	23:05
LordKow	can anyone confirm whether the sound from pidgin is scratchy? seems to be only pidgin (from the apps that i use)	23:07
Hobbsee	i've not noticed it	23:07
dan457	not only pidgin	23:08
bluefoxx	I have a soundcard, but no speakers too hook up, so I can't help with those issues...	23:08
dan457	depends on your hardware. was mention of a kernel update comming to adress that	23:08
dtchen	the kernel is already up	23:08
dtchen	same place, just crimsun2	23:08
dan457	nice, i'll go get it then.. tnx dtchen	23:08
rniamo	dtchen : how could i know if your patch is loaded ?	23:09
dtchen	rniamo: did you boot with or without them inserted?	23:09
dtchen	rniamo: cat /proc/version_signature	23:09
rniamo	dtchen : Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2-generic :)	23:09
rniamo	but no osund in speakers	23:09
rniamo	sound	23:09
dan457	hmmm. where do I get it? update doesn't show any updates....	23:09
=== Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim
dtchen	dan457: it's not in the Ubuntu repository (yet). See http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/	23:10
dan457	thanks.	23:10
dtchen	rniamo: did you boot with headphones inserted?	23:10
rniamo	dtchen : no	23:10
* LordKow logs dpkg -S into his brain		23:11
dtchen	rniamo: please rerun alsa-info.sh	23:11
rniamo	dtchen : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a2e9b74d00f9102413840be00162eaccde680c4b	23:12
dtchen	LordKow: please confirm pidgin's insanity with the new test kernel	23:12
dtchen	rniamo: sec	23:12
rniamo	dtchen : sec ?	23:12
dtchen	it means "wait a second"	23:13
rniamo	oh sorry	23:13
dtchen	also known as "I'm busy reading the output"	23:13
Guest94492	Sorry for this question, but I neet to know, what Canonical are doing to improve Gnome or KDE or Linux in general? Please someone answer	23:13
LordKow	dtchen, the test kernel being the one in your ppa i assume?	23:13
LordKow	or perhaps i'll just see that link :)	23:14
bluefoxx	.	23:14
LordKow	alright i need testing juice/energy/caffeine then i'll boot that kernel	23:15
Guest94492	thats what I'm afraid. No one knows	23:15
dtchen	Guest94492: suggestion: try searching the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list archive on lists.ubuntu.com	23:15
dtchen	Guest94492: some of us are quite busy preparing for the Beta	23:16
o0Chris0o	Guest94492: google helps too :D	23:16
Guest94492	waiting Novell release something??	23:16
dtchen	Guest94492: so please don't interpret a lack of response to your question as "oh no, we don't care"	23:16
dan457	brb, going to reboot and test the kernel	23:16
Guest94492	I'm using Ubuntu since 6.06	23:17
Guest94492	and E heard every time that Canonical don't contribute with linux	23:18
dtchen	rniamo: i'm pretty sure you're using the wrong quirk	23:18
alex_mayorga	anyone else with crashy bluetooth? Bug #337080	23:18
ubottu	Launchpad bug 337080 in bluez "bluetoothd crashed with SIGSEGV in calloc()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337080	23:18
rniamo	dtchen : what is a quirk ?	23:18
dtchen	rniamo: let me confirm in our current ubuntu-jaunty.git	23:19
dtchen	rniamo: it's whatever model= you use	23:19
rniamo	ok	23:19
dtchen	rniamo: i.e., you appear to have used model=auto	23:19
dtchen	which is wrong.	23:19
rniamo	maybe	23:19
dtchen	you need model=hp-m4	23:19
rniamo	ok, i'm trying and i come back to say you if it works	23:20
dtchen	well, not yet	23:20
dtchen	i need to see if our current linux source even supports it	23:20
rniamo	ah	23:20
Guest94492	where I can download Ubuntu-ARM Source Code???	23:20
dtchen	rniamo: yes, it does. Please just remove your options snd-hda-intel quirk line, or replace model=auto with model=hp-m4	23:21
rniamo	i put hp-m4	23:21
o0Chris0o	Guest94492: Google it	23:21
genii	Guest94492: They'll likely know in channel #ubuntu-arm	23:22
DanaG	Is there any way to force the thing to use a model name that doesn't apply to the codec it's auto-detecting?	23:22
DanaG	I want to use laptop-eapd, but it seems to refuse to use that adi1986-specific model with my adi1988 card.	23:22
dtchen	DanaG: no, because the quirk list is extremely codec-specific	23:23
dtchen	codec meaning codec model and revision	23:23
DanaG	ah.	23:24
dtchen	what you can do is use hda-verb to twiddle the registers themselves, similar to what OSSv4's tool allows	23:24
=== asac_ is now known as asac
DanaG	The thing is, I want it to twiddle a GPIO pin on mute; not manually.	23:24
o0Chris0o	dtchen: do you know off hand if the notification popups in jaunty will be customizable (movable)?	23:24
DanaG	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319	23:24
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New]	23:24
DanaG	Check my note about twiddling the GPIO.	23:24
dtchen	unfortunately, Ubuntu's kernel does not enable CONFIG_SND_DEBUG, which is necessary to use hda-verb ...	23:24
Guest94492	Here is to talk about Bugs?	23:25
dtchen	o0Chris0o: i really have no idea, sorry. i'm afraid resource constraints permit me to focus on only bits and pieces, and notify-osd and family are not included.	23:25
o0Chris0o	dtchen: ok thanks, sorry for bugging you :) I'm sure your quite busy	23:26
dtchen	o0Chris0o: np, it's just that i'm not following the UI changes in that area	23:27
o0Chris0o	dtchen: k :)	23:27
=== Guest94492 is now known as _Carlo_
hacker07	I need some help	23:30
hacker07	hello!!!!!!!!!!	23:31
o0Chris0o	!patience \| hacker07	23:31
ubottu	hacker07: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines	23:31
jpereira	hello, i update from 8.10 to Jaunty and broken my package database.... following the my config and message when try update: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/137854/	23:31
dan457	Be specific	23:31
o0Chris0o	just ask the question hacker07, we can't help you unless you ask	23:31
DanaG	dtchen: so that's what I meant about gpio.	23:31
hacker07	sorry lol	23:31
dtchen	DanaG: busy, haven't read it	23:32
DanaG	ah.	23:32
hacker07	when I was trying to install with the live cd of 9.04 alpha 6 I was getting a harddrive error when it was at 24%	23:32
jpereira	somebody have ideas?	23:32
jpereira	hacker07: download other image, verify the checksum of your iso image and try again.	23:33
dan457	Well, considering beta is tomorrow, sure you shouldn't just grab that then?	23:33
genii	hacker07: Also make sur your /boot partition is fairly large. Like 150Mb	23:33
hacker07	lol yeah	23:33
dan457	personaly, I install from flash drive instead of CD.. less error prone.	23:33
LordKow	dtchen, seems to have fixed the problem. out of curiosity do you have a debdiff between the ubuntu version and yours?	23:33
hacker07	is there a guide for installing it with ext4	23:34
LordKow	hacker07, you need to manually partition (not guided) and when you create the partition & filesystem that will be mounted as / select ext4	23:34
dan457	Not convinced ext4 is ready yet.......	23:35
hacker07	I know but what do I do for swap space	23:35
dan457	depends on your system	23:35
Hobbsee	"swap"	23:36
LordKow	hacker07, i would say swap+memory = 3-4gb	23:36
LordKow	all depends on what you do though (and dont do)	23:36
dtchen	LordKow: no, but you could generate one. See http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=dtchen/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pcm and master.	23:36
hacker07	okay so swap space is not neccessary if I am installing it on a 512mb test system	23:36
_Carlo_	Ubuntu 9.04 will use the new Kernel 2.6.29?	23:36
dan457	yes, it is.	23:36
dtchen	_Carlo_: no	23:36
LordKow	dtchen, thanks	23:37
dtchen	_Carlo_: we are using 2.6.28.9 as a base	23:37
dan457	i've had it use over 512 here	23:37
hacker07	does ext4 support ide drives	23:37
Amaranth	swap should be equal to memory	23:37
dan457	give yourself a 1 gig swap just to be safe	23:37
hacker07	okay	23:37
Amaranth	otherwise you may have trouble hibernating	23:37
_Carlo_	and the problem with Kde and Nvidia? It's solved?	23:37
Amaranth	yes, that was an X server patch	23:38
_Carlo_	Thats was slow	23:38
Amaranth	Fedora has the same patch but no one seems to care over there	23:38
Amaranth	Oh, the bug I was talking about was black windows on app start	23:38
Amaranth	Slowness is up to nvidia, I think they fixed that but I dunno	23:38
LordKow	"These patches are the final glue to make PulseAudio 0.9.14 appear not to suck so hard for Jaunty." i agree. pulseaudio in jaunty no longer sucketh	23:38
TheMuso	8/wc	23:39
_Carlo_	I dunno???	23:39
Amaranth	_Carlo_: Upgrade and see	23:39
_Carlo_	how you speak in red?	23:39
Amaranth	_Carlo_: It shows red when I say your name	23:39
hacker07	what is the recommended system to run a web server	23:40
jpereira	hello, i update from 8.10 to Jaunty and broken my package database.... following the my config and message when try update: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/137854/ somebody have ideas?	23:40
_Carlo_	<Amaranth>nice	23:40
Amaranth	hacker07: apache?	23:40
hacker07	I know that but I meen computer system specs	23:40
dan457	hmmm. wow is running again... now to see how long.....	23:41
_Carlo_	and the Firefox, know works with kde?	23:41
Amaranth	_Carlo_: sure	23:41
hacker07	will someone test out my webserver for me private.greenbookhackerdev.info/forum	23:42
Amaranth	hacker07: don't need much unless you're running a large website	23:42
hacker07	like what	23:42
Amaranth	hacker07: Is your server newer than 1998?	23:42
hacker07	will you test this out for me private.greenbookhackerdev.info/forum	23:42
dan457	login page...	23:42
hacker07	kinda	23:42
Amaranth	it loads, asks for a username and password	23:42
_Carlo_	because in 8.10 it has some interface problems with QT, right?	23:42
hacker07	login guest pass guest	23:42
Amaranth	_Carlo_: not that I know of	23:42
Amaranth	jpereira: hrm, something got seriously corrupted there, ext4?	23:43
dan457	loged in as guest guest	23:43
hacker07	can you see a phpbb forum	23:43
dan457	Yup	23:43
hacker07	did it load fast	23:43
dan457	Yes	23:43
dan457	I'm not accualy logged into the forum though.	23:44
dan457	just sent me there.	23:44
jpereira	[root@jiraya ~]# df -HT \| grep ext4	23:44
jpereira	[root@jiraya ~]#	23:44
jpereira	Amaranth: nothing	23:44
hacker07	well I know that I just have that because it is private currently	23:44
dan457	Ok. you are working then. :-)	23:44
hacker07	is it fast	23:45
dan457	My poor computer.... world of warcraft and encoding video at the same time... now to find a raid to see if I can crash it....	23:45
Amaranth	jpereira: dunno, never had to recover from that kind of error before	23:45
Amaranth	try reinstalling those packages?	23:45
hacker07	what kind of server does ubuntuforums run on	23:47
jpereira	Amaranth: me?	23:47
Amaranth	hacker07: A massive system	23:47
jpereira	if i try reinstalling?	23:47
dan457	If this works ok I might even try enabling sound in wine again. (was crashing it hard before today)	23:47
jpereira	i try rm -rf /	23:47
jpereira	=\	23:47
WatchBot	!danger \| jpereira	23:47
ubottu	jpereira: DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!	23:47
hacker07	lol like what	23:48
Amaranth	hacker07: it's also one of the most (if not the most) active vbulletin forums in the world	23:48
hacker07	damn	23:48
Amaranth	hacker07: think multiple top of the line computers with massive amounts of memory	23:48
DanaG	Might be good to have the bot trigger on that explicitly -- and kick, too. But make sure not to have an over-zealous regex.	23:48
hacker07	wow how much do you think it costs to run	23:48
Amaranth	think "I Just spent $10,000 on a server"	23:48
jpereira	hacker07: stop of say "lol", you only just say "lol"?	23:48
=== erle64- is now known as erle-
hacker07	what?	23:49
hacker07	is this still active	23:51
calc	hacker07: bandwidth would probably be the highest cost to run, since its probably not too many machines running it	23:51
hacker07	yeah	23:51
calc	it appears to just be one system from the nslookup info (or fronted by a proxy)	23:51
hacker07	oh im guessing it runs on an ubuntu server	23:52
calc	hacker07: most likely	23:52
hacker07	lol yeah	23:52
hacker07	is linux a stable server enviorments	23:52
calc	hacker07: of course	23:53
* calc wonders what kind of question is that		23:53
hacker07	im running an apache server on ubuntu 8.10 desktop	23:53
calc	hacker07: if you intend to just run server software ubuntu server version is probably better since it doesn't install desktop software so less overhead	23:54
Amaranth	calc: I think it has a separate DB server	23:54
calc	Amaranth: ah ok	23:54
hacker07	is it faster to run that	23:54
genii	Anything without pretty interfaces is much faster	23:54
calc	hacker07: probably is about the same if ubuntu desktop never has logged in users	23:54
calc	hacker07: logging into the server via gnome desktop would slow it down somewhat	23:55
hacker07	yeah but I use the server as a desktop to	23:55
hacker07	too	23:55
calc	hacker07: then just use ubuntu desktop then	23:55
hacker07	yeah	23:55
hacker07	is ubuntu server better to install a LAMP server	23:55
calc	its the same software either way, it just preinstalls different bits	23:55
hacker07	lol yeah	23:56
genii	hacker07: Yes. that is what the point of having a server distribution is about	23:56
* calc has to go finish rebuilding his laptop		23:56
DanaG	rebuilding?	23:56
hacker07	lol	23:56
=== Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk
hacker07	is it possible to run a dedicated server on a laptop	23:57
Amaranth	sure	23:57
DanaG	one of my big gripes with radeon, phrased as lolcats:	23:57
DanaG	im in ur radeon, eating ur watz.	23:57
DanaG	(or could replace 'watz' with 'joulz')	23:58
hacker07	is it recomended	23:58
Hobbsee	not really	23:58
Hobbsee	overheating, and all	23:58
hacker07	oh	23:59
DanaG	Depends on how well-designed the laptop is, and what you intend to use it for.	23:59
* genii straps a floor model fan onto his radeon		23:59

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