[04:05] <torkiano> hello, I'm reporting bug 348275 ?
[04:05] <torkiano> is needed any more information?
[04:42] <nullack> ping asac : re bug #3127
[05:45] <Vantrax> anyone aware of an issue with the gnome-power-manager update?
[05:45] <Vantrax> just installed updates on two 8.04 machines and both had errors on updating gnome-power-manager
[05:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:05] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[07:20] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:45] <dominiks> YoBoY: morning
[10:51] <BUGabundo> me again
[10:51] <BUGabundo> need help retrace a .crash again
[10:51] <BUGabundo> gwibber crash just made my jaunty reboot
[10:51] <BUGabundo> its a clear case of DoS
[10:51] <BUGabundo> and I could reproduce it a 2nd time
[10:52] <BUGabundo> seb128: wanna give an hand again?
[10:53] <seb128> asac: ^
[10:53] <seb128> asac: gwibber sounds like something for you ;-)
[10:54] <seb128> BUGabundo: reboot the box or crash X?
[10:54] <BUGabundo> reboot
[10:54] <BUGabundo> done unpack
[10:56] <BUGabundo> seb128: $ gdb python /usr/bin/gwibber CoreDump ?
[10:58] <seb128> just "gdb /usr/bin/python CoreDump" I guess
[11:01] <BUGabundo> #9  0x00007f8ed3d56d40 in ?? () from /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/gtk-2.0/webkit.so
[11:01] <BUGabundo> so that means I need webkit gdbsym
[11:01] <BUGabundo> libwebkit-1.0-1-dbgsym on its way
[11:01] <seb128> rather python-webkit-dbg in this case
[11:01] <asac> seb128: he already complained to me in -mozillateam ;)
[11:01] <BUGabundo> asac: yes I did
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: does it crash because its a OOM situation?
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: is that the only signature you get in backtrace?
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: thats #9
[11:02] <asac> what about #1-8
[11:02] <BUGabundo> asac: ahh??
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: type "bt" when you ar ein gdb
[11:02] <BUGabundo> doing so
[11:03] <BUGabundo> getting gdb webkit
[11:03] <BUGabundo> want me to past current bt ?
[11:03] <asac> yes
[11:04] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/137407/
[11:04] <BUGabundo> running now with -gdb
[11:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/137408/
[11:10] <BUGabundo> asac: anything from the pastebin?
[11:24] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/348388
[11:25] <BUGabundo> any other logs I need to attach?
[12:24] <BUGabundo> I'm so glad we are on Beta freeze
[12:25] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linphone/+bug/348414
[12:25] <BUGabundo> 3rd crash of the day
[12:28] <seb128> stop using weird softwares ;-)
[12:31] <ogra> BUGabundo, yeah, dont use anything seb128 doesnt maintain ;)
[12:31] <ogra> then it will run stable
[12:31] <BUGabundo> seb128: its in universe
[12:32] <BUGabundo> just trying to test ALL voip and SIP apps on archive
[12:32] <BUGabundo> lol
[12:33] <ogra> look at the bottom of your software, if there is a sticker "seb maintained" next to the best before date, then you are safe
[12:33] <ogra> ;)
[12:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:35] <pedro_> lol
[12:36]  * BUGabundo is it _boo_ time already?
[12:38] <bddebian> Boo
[12:38] <bddebian> :)
[12:40] <BUGabundo> here it is!
[12:40] <BUGabundo> FOOOOOO
[14:24] <maxb> linphone has a new major version in sid, probably not worth spending any time testing Jaunty's
[14:28] <BUGabundo> thanks maxb
[14:29] <BUGabundo> guess a request for manual sync for koala then?
[14:31] <maxb> BUGabundo: The -1ubuntu1 changes are droppable, but the -1ubuntu2 changes (Remove arts) may not be.
[14:31] <BUGabundo> didn't we already drop arts?
[14:31] <BUGabundo> for pnome?
[14:32] <maxb> Yeah *we* did.
[14:32] <maxb> But there's nothing in the debian changelog to suggest that it's happened in sid yet
[14:34]  * maxb merges linphone/sid into his PPA
[14:34] <BUGabundo> seb128: what do I need to debug bug 347209?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> maxb: don't have any trouble
[14:34] <BUGabundo> I'm steaking with ekiga and
[14:35] <BUGabundo> gizmo
[14:38] <seb128> BUGabundo: dunno, is it crashing?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> well you said it needed debug from OOo
[14:40] <seb128> right, from the openoffice maintainer
[14:40] <seb128> I don't use openoffice and I don't know about it or how to debug it
[14:41] <seb128> but there is just no indication of a gvfs issue there
[14:41] <seb128> opening files over smb with gedit works fine
[14:41] <seb128> if openoffice has an issue I would blame its gvfs issue rather than gvfs without extra informations
[14:42] <BUGabundo> okay
[14:42] <BUGabundo> got it
[14:42] <BUGabundo> calc: ping
[14:47] <calc> BUGabundo: hi
[14:48] <BUGabundo> calc:  bug 347209?
[14:49] <calc> BUGabundo: its a gvfs bug but apparently seb128 doesn't want to debug gvfs so just reassigned to OOo
[14:50] <calc> seb128: what is the gvfs debug sequence again, i need to write it down to ask users going forward to do their gvfs debug
[14:50] <calc> seb128: as gvfs fuse is notoriously buggy i'm quite sure this is a gvfs bug
[14:50] <BUGabundo> calc: write it down to a wiki
[14:50] <calc> BUGabundo: yea
[14:51] <seb128> calc: there is no indication of why you think that's a gvfs issue there
[14:52] <calc> seb128: it fails saving to a gvfs fuse mount, when i switched to gvfs fuse for OOo i found several 3+ bugs in gvfs fuse that kept OOo from saving... so its not 100% that it is a gvfs fuse issue but it almost certainly is
[14:53] <calc> seb128: i can get users to do the testing, i just need to remember the pkill gvfs* ; (blah) line to tell them to get the debug info out with
[14:53] <seb128> that bug is not a saving one but an opening one
[14:53] <seb128> and cat on the .gvfs or gedit or whatever works just fine
[14:53] <seb128> we didn't get opening bugs over fuse until now
[14:53] <calc> seb128: doh yea i'm still half asleep
[14:53] <calc> BUGabundo: please copy the file to a local fs and see if the file opens
[14:54] <seb128> I would lean toward openoffice not understanding the uri or something
[14:54] <calc> BUGabundo: if it does then we need the gvfs debug data which i still don't remember how to do :)
[14:54] <calc> seb128: did nautilus switch to passing uri's to OOo?
[14:54] <calc> seb128: it wasn't doing that a few weeks ago afaik
[14:54] <seb128> dunno, look at the process list when it's called?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> calc locally it opens fine
[14:55] <calc> BUGabundo: ok, looking into what nautilus does in jaunty wrt uris
[14:55] <BUGabundo> calc: ah?
[14:56] <calc> BUGabundo: if it opens fine locally and nautilus isn't passing uri's it is probably a new unknown bug in gvfs, but that isn't known yet
[14:56] <seclm193> what channel is the announce
[14:56] <BUGabundo> eehehe
[14:57] <BUGabundo> seclm193: what anounce?
[14:57] <seclm193> bug announce
[14:57] <calc> BUGabundo: ok at least on my system it does not use uri's
[14:57] <BUGabundo> I'm sorry seclm193 but I don't get what you want help with
[14:57] <hggdh> seclm193, /j #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[14:57] <greg-g> seclm193: #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[14:57] <seclm193> thx
[14:57] <BUGabundo> now I do
[14:57] <calc> BUGabundo: if you can manage to do it before OOo dies try running ps x | grep soffice.bin
[14:57] <hggdh> :-)
[14:57] <BUGabundo> calc the smb is mounted with gvfs
[14:58] <BUGabundo> I have gnome-mount icon for it
[14:58] <calc> BUGabundo: yes i know
[14:58] <BUGabundo> running ps x
[14:58] <calc> BUGabundo: you have to run the ps x command before OOo dies after attempting to open the file
[14:59] <BUGabundo>  3480 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep soffice.bin
[14:59] <BUGabundo> either its too fast or that is all I get
[15:00] <calc> BUGabundo: ok i can tell you what to do to work around that easily
[15:00] <BUGabundo> I rather have a Fix for everyone
[15:00] <calc> edit /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice and add echo $@ at the beginning
[15:01] <calc> BUGabundo: we are still debugging the issue
[15:01] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[15:01] <calc> that should (i think) cause the path to be spit out into .xsession-errors
[15:01] <BUGabundo> done
[15:01] <calc> hmm no that won't work
[15:02] <BUGabundo>  4311 ?        Rl     0:00 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin -writer smb://192.168.3.200/empresa/RELATORIOS/SLAVI/slavi.odt -splash-pipe=5
[15:02] <calc> it spits it out on the terminal but not to .xsession-errors
[15:02] <calc> hmm interesting
[15:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:02]  * calc wonders why it doesn't do that on his computer
[15:02] <BUGabundo> broken system?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> mine that is
[15:03] <calc> BUGabundo: are you using up to date jaunty?
[15:03] <BUGabundo> yep
[15:03] <calc> hmm
[15:03] <BUGabundo> up until a few hours ago
[15:03] <BUGabundo> before lunch
[15:03]  * calc tests a bit more locally
[15:03] <BUGabundo> but we are on freeze so not many updates coming in
[15:03] <seclm193[1]> was there another update released today?
[15:04] <BUGabundo> openoffice.org:  Installed: 1:3.0.1-7ubuntu1
[15:04] <BUGabundo> seclm193 its coming out tomorrow
[15:04] <BUGabundo> Beta
[15:04] <BUGabundo>  !releases
[15:04] <BUGabundo>  !shcedule
[15:04] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[15:05] <BUGabundo> gvfs:  Installed: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1
[15:06] <calc> so the good news is i know how to fix the issue, but i'm not sure why nautilus is sending uri's in only some cases
[15:07] <calc> i see this: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin -writer /home/ccheney/.gvfs/personal on desktop-c2d/test.odt -splash-pipe=5
[15:07] <calc> for a smb share
[15:10] <BUGabundo> $ ls -lah .gvfs/
[15:10] <BUGabundo> total 12K
[15:10] <BUGabundo> drwx------   2 bugabundo bugabundo    6 2008-05-09 16:38 ./
[15:10] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 127 bugabundo bugabundo 8.0K 2009-03-25 15:01 ../
[15:10] <BUGabundo> this could explain it!
[15:10] <BUGabundo> I don't see the share on .gvfs
[15:11] <calc> what?
[15:11] <calc> so your system is hosed
[15:12] <calc> OOo still should be using %F but in this case it just wouldn't work at all
[15:12] <calc> i think it would probably either refuse to open at all or open a blank page in that case
[15:13] <BUGabundo> nothing that I did!
[15:13] <BUGabundo> I have gvfs installed
[15:13] <BUGabundo> and have used it in the past
[15:13] <BUGabundo> but ok, its now seb128 departement
[15:13] <calc> BUGabundo: yep
[15:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:14] <BUGabundo> that bug can now be invalied
[15:14] <calc> BUGabundo: %F just forces nautilus to use local paths and since there are none i'm not completely sure what would happen but it would probably try to not open at all with OOo in this case
[15:15] <calc> BUGabundo: still valid but just for a different reason :)
[15:15] <BUGabundo> let me remove the line from the file
[15:15] <BUGabundo> or I'll forget it
[15:15] <calc> ok
[15:15] <calc> it will be replaced next week anyway so not a big deal either way :)
[15:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:15] <BUGabundo> bbl
[15:16] <BUGabundo> need to connect laptop to a phone central
[15:16] <calc> i almost fixed that issue a few weeks ago myself but it didn't seem to affect anything so i just left it alone
[15:16] <seb128> what is the issue?
[15:16] <calc> but now you brought up cases where it happens irl
[15:16] <calc> seb128: for some reason even though BUGabundo has gvfs installed it had no $HOME/.gvfs dir
[15:16] <calc> seb128: which was causing nautilus to fallback to sending uris
[15:17] <calc> seb128: he's not sure why he has no .gvfs dir
[15:17] <christopher> anyone here ran world of warcraft on ubuntu 9 yet/
[15:17] <calc> seb128: my part of the problem is i did not change OOo to use %F from %U when i disabled uri support, nautilus generally sends GIO paths instead so works... except in cases like this when it has to send a uri
[15:18] <seb128> calc: you don't have .gvfs is gvfs-fuse is not installed or if you don't have permissions to use fuse
[15:19] <seb128> that used to be a group membership required, not sure nowadays
[15:20] <calc> seb128: ah ok
[15:21] <calc> i added that to bug report so he can see it later, since he logged off irc already
[15:22] <calc> iirc i didn't change to %F's before because it seemed to demote OOo for order of preference opening files
[15:22] <calc> i'll have to see how that goes when i try it again
[16:03] <BUGabundo> seb128: here is a funny one for you
[16:03] <BUGabundo> we can no longer drag gnome Pannels
[16:03] <BUGabundo> is it a Feature of 2.26?
[16:07] <seb128> BUGabundo: yes, use alt+dnd
[16:07] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[16:07] <seb128> that's to avoid accidental moves which keep confusing users
[16:07] <BUGabundo> is it documented?
[16:08] <seb128> in the changelog
[16:08] <seb128> dunno about the GNOME user documentation
[16:08] <seb128> you can also use the properties dialog
[16:08] <seb128> and change the orientation there
[16:08] <seb128> that should be the obvious user way
[16:08] <seb128> dnd is just a power user way
[16:09] <Melcom> hi
[16:09] <Melcom> whois imachine
[16:10] <BUGabundo> seb128: so no more draggin (unless alt), just use properties... okay
[16:10] <BUGabundo> a user just asked that on +1
[16:10] <BUGabundo> and I hit the wall too while reproducing
[16:10] <BUGabundo> ok... need to change my Class script to let my students know the change
[16:11] <seb128> we got many users doing accidental dnd
[16:11] <seb128> and not knowing what they did and how to go back
[16:11] <seb128> I think the change makes sense
[16:11] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:11] <BUGabundo> too easy
[16:11] <seb128> BUGabundo: do you still have .gvfs empty?
[16:11] <BUGabundo> but didn't see anything in the change logs!
[16:12] <BUGabundo> yes
[16:12] <BUGabundo> how can I debug that?
[16:12] <seb128> BUGabundo: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-fuse-daemon .gvfs
[16:12] <seb128> run that
[16:12] <BUGabundo> bash: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-fuse-daemon: No such file or directory
[16:13] <seb128> BUGabundo: sudo apt-get install gvfs
[16:13] <BUGabundo> its installed
[16:13] <seb128> BUGabundo: sudo apt-get install gvfs-fuse
[16:13] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1
[16:13] <seb128> sorry pressed enter by mistake before
[16:13] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[16:13] <BUGabundo> installuing
[16:14] <BUGabundo> gvfs-fuse:  Installed: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1
[16:14] <BUGabundo> done
[16:14] <BUGabundo> now what?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> and more important, why did it get removed or not installed
[16:14] <seb128> it's installed by default
[16:15] <seb128> why you removed it no idea that's a question for you ;-)
[16:15] <BUGabundo> maybe some partial update stupidty
[16:16] <BUGabundo> let me mount something
[16:16] <BUGabundo> still nothing there
[16:16] <BUGabundo> do I need to start it?
[16:19] <BUGabundo> seb128: I can mount volumes (even using right click) and get the gnome mount
[16:19] <BUGabundo> but no mount on gvfs
[16:19] <seb128> BUGabundo: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-fuse-daemon .gvfs
[16:21] <BUGabundo> echos nothing
[16:22] <seb128> BUGabundo: try mounting something now
[16:22] <seb128> and look there
[16:22] <seb128> or browsing some gvfs url
[16:22] <seb128> ie nautilus ssh://localhost
[16:22] <seb128> or something similar
[16:23] <BUGabundo> its showing up now
[16:23] <seb128> good
[16:55] <pedro_> Ubuntu QA meeting at #ubuntu-meeting in ~5 minutes
[17:56] <hggdh> all: eeebotu will be rebooted due to security updates; we should be back in 5 minutes
[17:59] <hggdh> all, we are back from eeebotu rebooting. Sorry for the delay, but the server had been 200+ days on, and a fsck was forced
[18:39] <torkiano> hello all, anyone can help me triaging bug 338977 ?
[18:39] <torkiano> bug #338977
[18:40] <torkiano> i don't know if it is related to kdemultimedia packages or to pulseaudio sound system
[19:00] <BUGabundo> since asac is way
[19:00] <BUGabundo> can anyone tell me what do I need to log
[19:00] <BUGabundo> to debug a SiS based laptop?
[19:11] <seb128> BUGabundo: debug what on the laptop exactly?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> SiS board and network devices
[19:12] <BUGabundo> collected lshal, lsusb, lspci
[19:12] <BUGabundo> and boot logs to attach to a bug report
[19:12] <BUGabundo> to see if was can do something to work with or around SiS (BAD ) hw
[19:14] <dtchen> torkiano: triaged, thanks
[19:14] <BUGabundo> seb128: plus it only boot with no apci
[19:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping hi
[19:15] <dtchen> BUGabundo: sorry, i'm busy. try again in 30 minutes.
[19:15] <BUGabundo> any tips on how to get Mic support on skype and Flash?
[19:15] <BUGabundo> won't be here... see you tomorrow
[19:15] <BUGabundo> [[]]
[19:15] <dtchen> i'm only online now because i'm home on sick leave.
[19:16] <torkiano> BUGabundo: maybe you can try ubuntu-bug linux
[19:16] <BUGabundo> dtchen: hope you get better
[19:16] <dtchen> check if your mic works at all via Applications> Sound & Video> Sound Recorder
[19:16] <BUGabundo> torkiano: doing so
[19:16] <BUGabundo> forgot to test sound recorder and audacity
[19:16] <BUGabundo> will do later
[19:17] <seb128> BUGabundo: no idea about this one
[19:17] <torkiano> dtchen: I'm the reporter of the bug; yes, is a fresh install of kubuntu
[19:18] <torkiano> dtchen: dpkg -l | grep ii | grep pulseaudio returns nothing
[19:19] <dtchen> torkiano: ok, please reset the status to New, then. it's a wishlist bug; i won't be looking at it for jaunty. in any case, it's not reasonably addressable, since too many HDA codecs have varying elements that need to be twiddled
[19:19] <dtchen> torkiano: e.g., having Kmix default to controlling 'Master' will result in your precise symptom for all the other users who need 'PCM' to be controlled
[19:20] <dtchen> torkiano: same goes for 'Front', 'Surround', ...
[19:21] <torkiano> dtchen: ok, I understand. Thank you for your support
[19:22] <BUGabundo> seb128 & calc and asac: in case you want to look at it: bug 348626
[21:32] <asac> hmm gone
[21:32] <asac> noacpi is often bios upgrade
[21:48] <mrooney> Are any other jaunty-ers having "brasero libbrasero-media0" kept back for the past week or two? Is that normal?
[22:11] <o0Chris0o> mrooney: yes I have it, I'm sure alot of them do, I think its not ready yet, or still working on it
[22:11] <mrooney> hm okay, good to know, thanks!