[13:56] <mdz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2475 shows no tests so far for UNR; do you need some help?
[13:56] <mdz> lool,ogra: ^^
[13:57] <ogra> we surely could use help, i'm personally totally hogged by babbage testing and collecting bugs atm
[13:57] <ogra> not sure about the rest of the team
[13:58] <lool> mdz: This is known
[13:58] <StevenK> mdz: I'll test UNR Beta when I get up.
[13:58] <lool> mdz: plars worked on defining the tests
[13:58] <lool> mdz: Oh wait they just showed up
[13:59] <lool> mdz: Up until this morning there was no testcase at this address
[13:59] <lool> It was pending a DB update by IS, and was just completed great
[13:59] <lool> plars: ^
[14:00] <mdz> lool: ah, yes, I saw that RT ticket get closed earlier todya
[14:00] <mdz> today
[14:17] <plars> lool, mdz: they are linked to empty testcases it looks like though, they need to be linked to the actual ones
[14:18] <plars> either that or I need to just move the ones I wrote to the names they put there... that may be easier
[14:18] <lool> I think that'll be easier
[14:20] <plars> lool: I'll have that this morning
[14:22] <mdz> plars,lool: please don't let that block actually doing the testing, though
[14:23] <plars> mdz: of course not :)
[14:23] <davmor2> mdz: As far as I know people were told to report tests against umpc for now iirc
[14:24] <mdz> davmor2: I'm talking about UNR
[14:25] <davmor2> mdz: Yes and umpc is being dropped so using that testcase for tracking alone I believe it's what happen last time round
[14:26] <davmor2> mdz: slangasek can let you know for sure
[14:32] <persia> davmor2, That's precisely the thing that's just being sorted.
[14:32] <davmor2> persia: :)
[14:33] <davmor2> persia: fingers crossed it will be right for RC :)
[16:11]  * ogra_babbage tickles mdz and davidm from a ubiquity installed babbage board :)
[16:12] <ogra> the user needs to jump through a bunch of hoops but it can be done :D
[16:30] <metalman> I have a dell mini w/ dell's crappy ubuntu 8.04 custom and I need to get 8.10 on it. Would this be possible to do w/o an external CD/USB drive, just by updating the repos? It needs the lpia arch
[16:33] <persia> metalman, Somewhat.  There are likely some patches in the custom version you have installed that may not be available in 8.10, so you may find that you lose as much as you gain.
[16:33] <persia> You'd do better to try an 8.10 liveCD first (which you can do with a USB key using the usb-creator package, although you might have to grab a backport).
[16:33] <persia> That said, yes, you could just change the repositories, and you ought see the right results.
[16:34] <persia> (but you may find oddities related to the patches).
[16:34] <persia> Also, the state of the packages for lpia in 8.10 was not as good as the state of the packages for i386.  
[16:35] <metalman> i see
[16:35] <persia> If you are replacing the provided operating system, you may also want to consider changing architectures (although that would be a reinstall).
[16:36] <metalman> yeah, I basically want to completely reinstall ubuntu witha fresh 8.10. and that would tricky w/ just a repo change your saying
[16:37] <metalman> might you suggest the repos to use to try an upgrade to 8.10? before I go out buying a USB drive to do the reinstall
[16:41] <lool> ogra: "ubiquity installed board" + "bunch of hoops" => doesn't compute
[16:42] <ogra> ubiquity installed roofts + bunch of hoops for bootloader :P
[16:42] <lool> + workaround for USB
[16:43] <ogra> ??
[16:43] <ogra> oh, right
[16:43] <ogra> workaround for syslog you mean
[16:43] <lool> For USB messages in syslog; the problem is not in syslog
[16:43] <persia> metalman, I really think you'd be wiser to get a USB stick (1GB or 2GB would do) to test a live 8.10 enviroment *before* you change what's already installed.
[16:47] <metalman> persia: roger, thanks
[17:12] <plars> metalman: for a mini, you may want to take a look at Ubuntu netbook remix
[17:12] <plars> I have a mini9, and I'm running 9.04 UNR on it and am pretty happy with it
[17:13] <plars> Installed around alpha5, but I've been keeping it updated
[17:27] <metalman> yeah, mine's a mini 9
[17:28] <metalman> the guide on ubuntumini.com says it should work using a liveusb of the standard 8.10 i386 iso
[17:33] <persia> It certainly ought to do so.  Give that a shot, and see if you like it.  If you do, you can just run the install, and replace what you have.
[17:41] <metalman> doh, usb-creator freezes on Starting up. any other tool for creating the live usb?
[17:43] <persia> Freezes on "starting up"?
[17:43] <persia> Before you select the image, etc.?
[17:45] <metalman> after selecting the iso and usb drive, the Starting Up dialog comes up and freezes
[17:45] <metalman> at 'installing the bootloader to /dev/sdb1'
[17:46] <metalman> there were some dependcy issues when I installed usb-creator. I think it complained about syslinux and parted not being installed
[17:48] <persia> metalman, Did you install those packages?
[17:50] <metalman> i tried, but more complaints. installing syslinux complains there is no mtools. Then trying to install mtools it says usb-creator depends on syslinux and parted!
[17:50] <metalman> very weird
[17:52] <persia> You really need to install the whole set together.
[17:52] <persia> I suspect that mtools installed, but that the outstanding partial install of usb-creator was still pending, and it complained.
[17:52] <persia> Try installing syslinux again.
[17:52] <persia> Once that works, try installing parted.
[17:53] <persia> Then try usb-creator again.
[17:53] <metalman> apt-get -f install syslinux gives syslinux depends on mtools
[17:53] <persia> Don't be surprised if it succeeds at installing usb-creator before you tell it to do so again, just because you installed everything it needed.
[17:53] <persia> Right.  try just `apt-get -f install`
[17:54] <metalman> sweet
[17:54] <metalman> that worked, it needed libparted also :)
[17:55] <persia> Cool.  does it work now?
[17:56] <metalman> woot!
[17:56] <metalman> Copying files...
[17:56] <metalman> thanks persia
[17:56] <persia> Excellent.
[17:56] <ian_brasil> metalman: you could try xfce ..it runs great but it is a pig to install as you cannot see any of the buttons and have to install from memory
[17:57] <persia> ian_brasil, The Xubuntu livecd doesn't work on the Mini 9?
[17:58] <ian_brasil> persia: on an acer aspire no
[17:58]  * ian_brasil missed the part about the Mini 9
[18:01] <persia> ian_brasil, That's an annoying bug, and probably deserves filing.
[18:01] <persia> I suspect it's fixable, although I don't know anywhere near enough about either Xubuntu or video drivers to suggest how.
[18:09] <metalman> lookks like its booting successfully from the 8.10 usb
[18:17] <metalman> a general ubuntu question: which keyboard layout will give me key combos for international chars, like é, ñ, etc.
[18:18] <metalman> plars: do you know which keyboard layout will work for that on the mini9?
[18:19] <metalman> i couldn't get those chars workin with dell's 8.04
[18:20] <plars> metalman: I've only used the default layout, but I don't use international chars
[18:20] <plars> metalman: In the install, when you choose keyboard layout, you should be able to test it
[18:22] <ian_brasil> persia: its only annoying if you have not already memorized all the install screens ;)..but anyway https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/348585
[18:23] <persia> ian_brasil, But most of us haven't :)
[18:23] <metalman> hmm, dunno which key would be altgr on this keyboard
[18:23] <metalman> none works
[18:23] <persia> Generally it's right alt, but the keyboard might need to define it.
[18:24] <metalman> yeah the right alt on this mini9 doesn't do anything, ha
[18:24] <persia> ian_brasil, It's probably a good idea to specify which daily image (e.g. Today's date), and what hardware.  It must work for someone, or it wouldn't be passing the install tests for beta.
[18:25] <ian_brasil> persia:ok
[18:25] <persia> Oh, and by "what hardware", I mean 1) the model number and 2) if you have it, the video adaptor model.
[18:39] <metalman> will the netbook remix generally be faster?
[18:40] <persia> It's just a different selection of applications.  Whether it's faster really depends on your hardware, and work practices.
[18:41] <ogra> and the fuel you use :)
[18:51] <persia> ian_brasil, Might your Xubuntu install issue be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/325958 ?
[18:55] <metalman> thanks for your help, persia and others, the 8.10 install went well
[18:57] <persia> metalman, Good to hear.  Hope you like it.
[18:59] <ian_brasil> persia: yes that is it..i marked #325958 as a duplicate
[19:00] <ian_brasil> or rather marked #348585 as a duplicate of #325958
[19:01] <persia> ian_brasil, Cool.  One of the Xubuntu folk thought it might be, and recommended using the alternate installer for Ubuntu on such a screen.
[19:01] <persia> heh.  Yeah.  Best to preserve that detailed discussion :)
[19:21] <aholler> hi, just a quick question, has already anyone had the idea to place the icons on the right side of the launcher on the right side of the icon-text? That was first thing which has come into my mind when I saw a screen shot of the netbook-launcher.
[19:28] <aholler> might be tricky because I assume this would be require a non-standard-widget, but I think it would be worth the effort. imho at least for the look and feel ;)
[21:51] <Leon_Nardella> Hello. Is there a channel specific to the Netbook Remix?
[22:26] <rzr> Leon_Nardella: never heard about one
[22:26] <rzr> checked the wiki ?
[22:27] <Leon_Nardella> Sure.
[22:40] <rzr> btw how fast does unr boot on eee700 ?