[00:10] <Seeker`> -01:29:51- :ikonia+: then quotes half baked logs
[00:10] <Seeker`> mmm, charcoal
[00:10] <ikonia> ha
[00:10] <ikonia> underdone
[00:11] <Seeker`> ikonia: I can't believe you called jdong an arse
[00:11] <ikonia> I missed the <grant-a> tag
[00:11]  * ikonia removes accountability 
[00:12] <Seeker`> likely story
[00:15]  * Seeker` -> sleep
[00:15] <Seeker`> I've already failed at getting to bed before midnight
[00:16] <ikonia> me too
[00:16] <Seeker`> o/
[01:12] <LjL> ikonia: is this the same one you kicked earlier for ban dodging? [01:55:07] --> willcurtis has joined this channel (n=willcurt@79.141.128.210).
[01:18] <jrib> don't ask me how but somehow I used to relax myself by helping in #ubuntu.  This isn't the case anymore.  So, I've decided to take up a new hobby this summer.  I'm thinking about bookbinding
[01:36] <LjL> hmmm
[01:36] <Flannel> hmmm!
[01:36] <LjL> if only my isp could hear me cursing them
[01:42] <Flannel> QlOfp]cF: interesting nick you've got there.
[01:43] <QlOfp]cF> oh now seriously
[01:43] <QlOfp]cF> i had better uptimes on my 33.6k modem
[01:50] <gnomefreak> ikonia: are you around i need to ask you something real fast
[01:50] <Flannel> gnomefreak: You could ask me!
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: can you unban bug.... i cant remember his full nick at this time 
[01:51] <Flannel> bug?
[01:51] <Flannel> Oh, first, in where?
[01:51] <LjL> bugabundo?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: +1
[01:51] <gnomefreak> LjL: yeah thats it
[01:52] <LjL> why?
[01:52] <LjL> BT has him as a ban evader
[01:52] <gnomefreak> because its that time. we already talked about that and today was end of ban
[01:52] <LjL> you talked about that before or after he evaded bans?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> thats why i  was looking for ikonia he was ban setter and he knows about it :)
[01:53] <gnomefreak> LjL: after
[01:53] <gnomefreak> over the weekend IIRC sunday we said 48 more hours
[01:54] <LjL> [21:43] *** BUGabundo!n=bugabund@88.214.139.13 has joined #ubuntu-ops
[01:54] <LjL> [21:44] *** BUGabundo has left #ubuntu-ops ("Bye http://BUGabundo.net")
[01:54] <gnomefreak> he was busy today and so was i so we didnt think about it. LjL hes a good guy i work with him everyday in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[01:54] <LjL> [22:14] <ikonia> I see BUGabundo is trying yet another IP address
[01:54] <LjL> (this was either on 22 or 23)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> sunday as i said
[01:55] <gnomefreak> i might have logs from our discussion mine and ikonia 
[02:06] <gnomefreak> u have most of it but it looks like i got caught in a netsplit but i will catch up with ik oni a in the morning
[02:07] <gnomefreak> me and asac did lay into him about his attitude but its ok
[02:10] <tritium> @btlogin
[02:36] <LjL> jrib, by the way, next time you feel too pissed off by the trolling and cluelessness in #ubuntu to even kick people, how about calling ! ops or something rather than leaving with a part message like that
[02:38] <jrib> LjL: well it was more like I didn't want to blow up, so I left
[02:38] <jrib> I didn't mean the part message sarcastically
[02:39] <jrib> or do you mean the emote before the part message?
[02:40] <LjL> jrib: no, i actually mean the quit message
[02:40] <LjL> jrib: you know, it caused me to get pretty mad at the person who was trolling
[02:40] <tritium> Good evening.
[02:41] <LjL> hi tritium
[02:42] <tritium> Hi, LjL.
[02:43] <LjL> jrib: anyway remember you can't help everyone and especially those who don't really want to be helped... take it easy, it's not like you to blow up at #ubuntu
[02:43] <jrib> LjL: oh.  It was more like the straw that broke the camel's back type of situation.  Sorry about that in any case
[02:45] <LjL> jrib: yeah - don't get to reach the straw. and don't ever say sorry to me again.
[02:45] <jrib> LjL: :)
[02:48] <tritium> LjL: we're having a LoCo meeting right now, discussing the epc1 incident from the other evening.
[02:48] <tritium> We'd like to keep the ban in place for the time being.
[03:00] <LjL> I HAD REMOVED THAT DARN WARNING
[03:00] <LjL> i'm sure i had
[03:01] <LjL> besides, i understand the watchbot might be buggy, but why would the floodbot think we've got 500 bans
[03:03] <LjL> 253 != 507, but it's also almost exactly half... uhm
[03:24] <gnomefreak> oh ok cool you got him/her/bot
[03:41] <tritium> @btlogin
[03:48] <tritium> I'm heading to bed.  I see eternaljoy is in #ubuntu again.  He has a long ban history.  It might be worth keeping an eye open.
[04:03] <tritium> Good night.
[05:34]  * jussi01 waves
[08:18] <ikonia> gnomefreak: you called
[08:19] <gnomefreak> ikonia: yeah did you decide on the ban? hes not even here at this time in morning
[08:19] <elky> tritium, eternaljoy isnt really a problem until someone mentions religion or ethics
[08:20] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I was happy to remove it after you'd spoken to him and was confident his attitude would stop 
[08:20] <ikonia> gnomefreak: apologies if you didn't get that bessage
[08:20] <ikonia> message
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ikonia: thanks i must have missed it. I was looking through log last night it seemed i hit a netsplit
[08:21] <ikonia> ahh, well, basiclly if you're happy his attutide will/has changed I've got no problem
[08:21] <ikonia> gnomefreak: you said you'd speak to him so I was happy to leave it to you 
[08:24] <gnomefreak> oh sorry, i will look for how you baned him and remove it if you dont, his attitude has already changed AFAICThes had a bug that has been getting the better of him but he only bitchs abuot that in -mozillateam
[08:24] <ikonia> I'll remove it
[08:24] <ikonia> no problem, just wanted to be sure you'd spoke to him and you where happy
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ikonia: thanks
[08:25] <ikonia> @btlogin
[08:25] <gnomefreak> yeah me and asac layed into him about his attitude
[08:25] <ikonia> the lies and the petty agrument just needed to stop
[08:25] <ikonia> I was a bit dissapointed to see him still trying to get in , but that seems to have stopped
[08:26] <ikonia> gnomefreak: all done, ban gone
[08:27] <gnomefreak> ikonia: thanks ill tell him later if im here if not ill tell him when we are online at same time 
[08:27] <ikonia> it's no biggy, if you're happy with his behaviour, thats fine
[08:27] <ikonia> that's enough for me
[08:40] <Tm_T> essy lloch nessy
[08:40] <Tm_T> dunno why that came up
[09:09] <Myrtti> hello
[09:24] <BUGabundo> good morning
[09:24] <BUGabundo> ikonia: ping
[09:24] <ikonia> hello
[09:25] <BUGabundo> hi
[09:25] <BUGabundo> is the ban removed?
[09:25] <ikonia> BUGabundo: yes the ban was removed, I suggest you speak to gnomefreak when you get chance too 
[09:25] <BUGabundo> ok
[09:25] <BUGabundo> see you latter
[09:25] <ikonia> ok
[09:25] <ikonia> bye
[09:26]  * Myrtti grunts
[09:36]  * Myrtti gives ikonia a share of her apple rice and a cup of nice te
[09:36] <Myrtti> a
[09:37] <ikonia> nice
[09:38]  * Myrtti blinks
[09:38] <Myrtti> http://www.paulmellors.net/2009/03/women-in-linux/
[09:39] <ikonia> you got a mention
[09:40] <Myrtti> I was just thinking that with my "input" to the Open Source community, I'm sure nobody would mention me
[09:42] <ikonia> well, you got a mention
[09:42] <Myrtti> I'm very, very surprised
[09:42] <ikonia> it's nice to get mentions like that, very flattering
[09:42] <ikonia> kudos to you
[09:44] <Myrtti> the show at #freenode is quite entertaining
[09:44] <ikonia> it's stupid
[09:45] <ikonia> the guy is in freenode saying, I behave like an idiont in channels and will continue to do so 
[09:45] <ikonia> he's known to freenode as a problem
[09:45] <ikonia> the user moose keeps making random comments to me that I should resolve my issue with him ???? I hadn't spoke in the channel, he just joined and started ranting....AGAIN
[09:47] <Myrtti> ikonia: humor Errietta and assume she's female ;-)
[09:48] <ikonia> now moose in pm'ing me calling me a jerk for not resolving issues with her ?
[09:51] <Myrtti> Not that I want to diss my own gender or male one, but I think it's a bit annoying that mentioning that you're female gets always the attention and people assume that females are right/wronged ones
[09:51] <Myrtti> "oo damsel in distress"
[09:52] <Myrtti> ikonia: tell him that he's a jerk for assuming that the issue hasn't been resolved based only in her story of what happened
[09:54] <ikonia> not interested
[09:54] <Myrtti> hehe
[10:00] <ikonia> it was most odd
[10:01] <ikonia> he joined windows started calling software faggy software - I asked him to stop - he did, then he joined freenode and started the ranting
[10:01] <ikonia> hence why I had a ? 
[10:17] <ikonia> @bansearch kalidar
[10:17] <ikonia> why is kalidar appearing on my hilights
[10:18] <ikonia> ahhh I see
[10:18] <ikonia> false hilight
[10:24] <Myrtti> ikonia: I'm finishing that howto on synchronizing s60 with Google Cal
[10:24] <ikonia> I'm working on setting up my own calander service
[10:24] <ikonia> we should compare notes
[10:27] <ikonia> I should say "I'm failing" at setting up my own calander service
[10:31] <ikonia> Myrtti: when you're done I'd love to have a read 
[10:31] <Myrtti> yeah, am going to publish it on planet
[10:31] <ikonia> super super, nudge when done
[10:54] <Myrtti> ikonia: WFM
[11:01] <ikonia> Myrtti: you've got a doc ready ?
[11:01] <Myrtti> I'm doing the file backup, cronjob and wget too before publishing
[11:01] <Myrtti> I need to document this for myself properly
[11:01] <ikonia> looking forward to it
[11:01] <ikonia> may help me out a lot
[11:02] <Myrtti> orage doesn't have a way to sync from gcal or anywhere online properly, so I've got a script that wgets them to a dummy file every hour
[11:19] <Myrtti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libopensync-plugin-google-calendar/+bug/244877
[11:19] <Myrtti> hrm
[13:42]  * Pici is annoyed today
[13:42] <ikonia> Pricey: what's up
[13:42] <ikonia> Pricey: sorry
[13:42] <ikonia> Pici: what's up
[13:42] <Myrtti> there's some black magic here I don't understand...
[13:43] <Pici> ikonia: Nothing in particular
[13:43] <ikonia> just one of those days ?
[13:44] <Pici> ikonia: Its been one of those weeks... Just bad news all around.
[13:44] <ikonia> thats not good
[13:44] <Pici> My family's Dog had to be put down, my grandfather passed away. 
[13:45] <pleia2> Pici :(
[13:45] <ikonia> oh man, I'm sorry on both fronts
[13:45] <Pici> pleia2, ikonia: Thanks
[13:46]  * Pici tries to stay positive and wanders off for a bit
[13:55] <stdin> kesk is back
[13:55] <ikonia> I spy 
[14:03] <ikonia> what's the deal with kesk
[14:04] <Pici> He keeps evading his bans. I'm not sure if its intentional or not.
[14:05] <ikonia> looks like it is with the swapping IP 
[14:05] <ikonia> I missed the last one though 
[14:06] <Pici> Its been 3 different IPs. I swapped out the prior bans for a new one on the nick and ident.
[14:06] <ikonia> slick
[14:08]  * genii makes a fresh batch of coffee
[14:10] <ikonia> idiots "testing" in +1
[14:11] <ikonia> logging bugs against their own custom compiled packages
[14:11] <ikonia> what a waste of developer time/focus
[14:19] <ikonia> @bansearch cristi_
[14:19] <ikonia> @bansearch cristi
[14:22] <ikonia> !staff cristi_ ban dodging and telling me in a logged PM she will change her ip and ban dodge for a 4th time
[14:23] <ikonia> !staff | cristi_ ban dodging and telling me in a logged PM she will change her ip and ban dodge for a 4th time
[14:29] <Pici> ikonia: why not just ban *!?=cristi@*.moldtelecom.md
[14:30] <ikonia> just tidying up
[14:30] <ikonia> no other md's
[14:30] <ikonia> so it was quicker to stop her coming in / out
[14:30] <ikonia> 2 minutes
[14:31] <ikonia> busy few minutes
[14:33] <ikonia> Pici: how did meaneater get past that ban ?
[14:35] <ikonia> how did it get past n=cristi!*@*
[14:36] <LjL> ikonia: quite easily i'd say
[14:36] <Pici> ikonia: because thats not a valid ban mask. 
[14:36] <LjL> since n=cristi is hardly a nickname :P
[14:36] <ikonia> idiot
[14:36] <ikonia> thank you
[14:37] <LjL> ikonia: also, /who *.moldtelecom.md
[14:37] <ikonia> LjL: already done it
[14:37] <ikonia> there are no other ubuntu users using it - just cristi 
[14:37] <Pici> I disagree.
[14:37] <ikonia> there are none in the channel I should say 
[14:37] <Pici> At least badserii is in #ubuntu-ro
[14:37] <ikonia> yes, the ban I put on is not perm 
[14:37] <Pici> But you're applying a ban, these people may join #ubuntu
[14:38] <ikonia> I'm about to remove it as I didn't see my mistake 
[14:38] <LjL> client incoming
[14:38] <ikonia> (with the other ban I mean) 
[14:38] <LjL> ikonia: and yes, there are other users using it
[14:38] <LjL> ikonia: not other ubuntu users perhaps, but you won't know that until, err, they join, no?
[14:39] <ikonia> LjL: for the 60 seconds the ban was in place for - I thought it was a safe gamble
[14:39] <LjL> ikonia: ah you removed it, ok, i hadn't seen that
[14:41] <ikonia> just tidying up now
[14:45] <ikonia> Pici: yes, thats why I took the gamble on a quick short ban to catch my breath 
[14:45] <ikonia> I checked, there was no-one else using
[14:46] <ikonia> ok - that should all be tidied up now
[14:47] <LjL> ikonia, what client are you on? mine can automatically ban ident + ISP
[14:47] <ikonia> irssi 
[14:48] <LjL> ikonia: i have a /be alias that bans you by ident and kicks you with "Ban evasion is not acceptable"
[14:48] <LjL> i'm on konv though
[14:48] <ikonia> ooh sounds cool, most of my aliases are robbed from pici 
[14:48] <ikonia> (thank you ) 
[14:48] <LjL> but there must be a way in irssi, there's a way to do anything in irssi
[14:48] <ikonia> LjL: I just need to mofidy auto_bleh a bit
[14:48] <ikonia> or create an alias 
[14:49] <LjL> ikonia: ok but you still need to know what the command is to ban *!ident@*.isp
[14:50] <LjL> ikonia: actually the *default* in irssi is ident and isp, so you probably changed that default (which is not a bad idea in and of itself since we usually ban by hostname alone, but you need to find out how to override it)
[14:50] <LjL> ikonia: the "cs lart" that seveas uses sets up a ban like that, i think
[14:51] <ikonia> just looking
[14:51] <ikonia> seeing if I can pecice it together
[14:52] <ikonia> peice even
[14:53] <LjL> ikonia: BAN [-normal | -user | -host | -domain | -custom <type>] <nicks/masks>
[14:53] <LjL> ikonia: so it's like on konversation basically. you want "-domain" for a standard ban, "-normal" for ident + isp
[14:53] <LjL> no not "-domain", "-host"
[14:54] <ikonia> but can you do -user *.com for example
[14:54] <ikonia> so it does use at *.com rather than user at full isp 
[14:54] <ikonia> I'm reading
[14:55] <LjL> ikonia: -user only sets a ban on ident
[14:55] <LjL> -user *.com results in no action here
[14:56] <LjL-irssi> -user target
[14:56] <LjL-irssi> -host target
[14:56] <LjL-irssi> -domain target
[14:56] <LjL-irssi> -normal target
[14:58] <ikonia> nice test
[14:59] <LjL> ikonia: i had to remove the previous ban before -normal would work because it was alredy covered by the other ones so the server refused it
[15:03] <genii> jussi01_: Core restart or so?
[15:03] <ikonia> LjL: ahh
[15:03] <ikonia> I'm just setting up a little playpen now
[15:28] <Like> ahh you ar op ikonia  sorry
[15:28] <LjL> ... because if he weren't an op...?
[15:28] <Like> im op in radio
[15:28] <Tm_T> Like: and?
[15:28] <Like> and i cant stop 
[15:29] <Tm_T> if you cannot, then don't irc (;)
[15:29] <Like> im talking now
[15:29] <Like> wait
[15:29] <LjL> -EMAKESNOSENSE
[15:29] <Myrtti> ikonia: http://myrtti.fi/blog/2009/03/25/howto-sync-s60v3-phone-to-google-calendar-and-make-backups-of-contactscalendarnotes/
[15:30] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice, thanks
[15:32] <bazhang> why is like in here
[15:32] <ikonia> Like: what's the problem
[15:33] <bazhang> like please leave if you have no reason to be here
[15:34] <Like> im banned
[15:34] <Like> for oone op
[15:35] <Like> bazhang, 
[15:35] <bazhang> Like, dont idle here.
[15:35] <bazhang> !idle | Like 
[15:35] <Like> where
[15:35] <ikonia> Like: you are banned from #ubuntu because of you're persistant behaviour
[15:35] <bazhang> wth
[15:36] <bazhang> icebuntu is in -irc
[15:36] <Tm_T> indeed he is
[15:36] <Tm_T> and see his attitude
[15:36] <bazhang> he was already on his LAST warning
[15:36] <bazhang> this is beyond the LAST warning.
[15:37] <Tm_T> I'd say so too
[15:37] <bazhang> he was re-directed to there, trying to enter -fi again elky 
[15:41] <Pici> Is asustek/kavita/icebuntu currently banned from -offtopic?
[15:42] <ikonia> I don't think so 
[15:42] <bazhang> no
[15:42] <Pici> Okay. Just checking.
[15:42] <ikonia> Pici: it's hard to keep track with all his dodging
[15:42] <Pici> ikonia: Tell me about it...
[15:43] <bazhang> he does not speak Finnish. That is not a Finnish language class channel.
[15:43] <ikonia> bazhang: however that is a weak argument
[15:43] <ikonia> as the loco channels are for "everyone" 
[15:43] <bazhang> he is trying to re-enter after being banned there, knowingly.
[15:43] <ikonia> that is a different argument
[15:43] <bazhang> and is re-directed to -irc.
[15:44] <ikonia> bazhang: best place for a loco issue
[15:44] <bazhang> he was warned to not try to enter again.
[15:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Are you an -fi op?
[15:44] <Myrtti> the thing is
[15:44] <Myrtti> yes
[15:44] <Myrtti> the thing here is
[15:44] <bazhang> this is about ubuntu namespace.
[15:44] <Myrtti> there's both me and Lynoure there
[15:44] <bazhang> ugh
[15:45] <Myrtti> and people who have limited resources in dealing with his type
[15:45] <ikonia> Myrtti: thats why I was trying to speak to him in #ubuntu-irc as I know you've had issues with him before 
[15:45] <bazhang> he was already on his last chance!
[15:46] <bazhang> wth is this about giving him another 'last chance'
[15:46] <LjL> how about they learn english before trying themselves on finnish
[15:46] <LjL> i can't understand much of what they're saying at all
[15:48] <ikonia> LjL: finnish are crazy....hard to understand
[15:49] <bazhang> he is lying.
[15:49] <bazhang> he knows he is banned there.
[15:49] <Myrtti> he was banforwarded before
[15:49] <Myrtti> now he's just banned
[15:50] <bazhang> he has zero reason to try to re-enter, knowing he is banned there.
[15:53] <LjL> how can we help you this time
[15:54] <Like> I nedd too be unbanned pls :)
[15:54] <LjL> you shouldn't have got yourself banned in the first place.
[15:54] <LjL> we don't unban on request.
[15:55] <LjL> Like: other questions?
[15:56] <genii> Apparently not.
[15:56] <bazhang> he blithely ignores any and all warnings. (icebuntu)
[16:00] <LjL> bazhang, tbh access to -irc is open...
[16:01] <bazhang> LjL, I thought it was for loco operators and those seeking to be unbanned. he was acting as though it was a social channel /me yawns
[16:01] <Pici> bazhang: Not necessarily, and yes.
[16:01] <LjL> bazhang: no, it's not really about ban appeals - channels should normally have their -ops channel for that
[16:01] <LjL> they *can* use -irc if they don't, but it's not really ideal
[16:02] <bazhang> why there is even a discussion of him being unbanned in -fi I have no idea.
[16:02] <bazhang> he knows he was banned.
[16:02] <bazhang> was warned not to try to re-enter ('last warning')
[16:03] <bazhang> tried to re-enter.
[16:03] <Myrtti> separate channels and separate issues or something
[16:03] <Myrtti> we do have a team channel for the Finnish loco, but not a specific -ops one
[16:04] <Myrtti> and since most of the people on the team channel would not have had a clue about him and his behaviour, I didn't feel comfortable in directing him there
[16:04] <LjL> ok
[16:04] <bazhang> is there part of the 'last warning' do not try to re-enter, then him blowing that off -->here is another 'last chance' that I am failing to understand?
 Hi how can I become a monderator?
[16:23] <LjL> by not flooding #ubuntu, for a start?
[16:23] <bazhang> hehe
[16:27] <Melcom> hi how do I become unbanned
[16:27] <bazhang> Melcom, how may we help you
[16:27] <Melcom> hi how do I become unbanned
[16:27] <ikonia> Melcom: lets be real - you just want to mess around in the channel 
[16:28] <ikonia> Melcom: you pretended you from "ubuntu"
[16:28] <Melcom> no
[16:28] <ikonia> then you flooded
[16:28] <ikonia> then you where kicked
[16:28] <ikonia> then you came back and flooded some more
[16:28] <ikonia> lets be honest - you just want to mess around
[16:28] <Melcom> look I have read your community support page so I wanted to help
 hi I am a support rep for ubuntu how may I help?
[16:29] <ikonia> then why did you keep flooding the channel
[16:29] <LjL> flooding the channel does not help.
[16:29] <ikonia> and why did you continue after you where asked to stop 
[16:29] <ikonia> and kicked
[16:29] <Melcom> see iwanted to see the respons of your team
[16:29] <ikonia> now you have seen it
[16:29] <LjL> Melcom: you've seen it. happy?
[16:29] <Melcom> yea
[16:30] <ikonia> you must now accept the consiquences of your teest
[16:30] <ikonia> Melcom: you will not be unbanned at this time 
[16:30] <Melcom> what must I do to become unbanned
[16:30] <ikonia> Melcom: learn how to behave
[16:30] <ikonia> Melcom: learn not to "test" people 
[16:30] <bazhang> stop being silly
[16:30] <LjL> !etiquette > Melcom    (Melcom, see the private message from ubottu)
[16:30] <LjL> come back when you know all that content by heart.
[16:31] <Melcom> okay
[16:32] <Myrtti> errietta on #ubuntu
[16:32] <Myrtti> I did unban him, but keep an eye on her
[16:32] <Melcom> I am not a her i am a him
[16:33] <LjL> Melcom: and your nickname is not errietta, is it?
[16:33] <Myrtti> Melcom: I wasn't talking about you, now was I?
[16:34] <Melcom> Whay are your servic peuple always so rude
[16:34] <Errietta> I had a really hard day today
[16:34] <Errietta> please dont make it worse
[16:34] <LjL> Errietta: same here.
[16:35] <ikonia> thenbehave
[16:35] <LjL> Melcom, if you have no other questions for us at this time, please part
[16:35] <ikonia> then behave
[16:35] <bazhang> Melcom, please part this channel
[16:35] <Errietta> stfu
[16:35] <Errietta> ok u have 2 options
[16:35] <Errietta> either u help me
[16:35] <ikonia> bye
[16:35] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[16:35] <Myrtti> oh boy, I can see this going the wrong way already...
[16:35] <Errietta> dude
[16:35] <Errietta> i had a really really really bad day
[16:36] <Melcom> and if you bann do you ban the IP or the host name?
[16:36] <bazhang> next on : #freenode
[16:36] <ikonia> Melcom: please leave 
[16:36] <Melcom> no
[16:36] <LjL> Melcom: yes
[16:36] <bazhang> :/
[16:36] <Melcom> I have the right to freedom of expression
[16:36] <Melcom> UnDER MY HUMAN RIGHTS
[16:36] <ikonia> Melcom: bye
[16:37] <ikonia> what is it, nut job hour ?
[16:37] <Myrtti> must be
[16:37] <bazhang> that would be a scary channel
[16:37] <LjL> yeah
[16:37] <LjL> if you consider -ot too
[16:37] <LjL> ikonia: chanserv opped us both in one line, how cute.
[16:37] <ikonia> sweet
[16:37] <ikonia> quite romantic
[16:37] <genii> Your freedonm of expression ends where someone else's operator rules begin.
[16:41] <bazhang> whoa
[16:41] <LjL> that's a permban.
[16:41] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops errietta Threatened killing operators on #freenode. I will ban her on sight anywhere in the namespace.
[16:45] <Melcom> LjL: I know all the ubuntu code of cunduct by heart
[16:45] <Melcom> LjL can I please be unbanned
[16:46] <Myrtti> probably not within the next 24 hours
[16:47] <LjL> Melcom: your ban won't be lifted after your boutades in here
[16:47] <LjL> Melcom: come back in a month
[16:50] <Melcom> How can I report Rasists
[16:50] <ikonia> Melcom: just tell us the problem
[16:51] <bazhang> Melcom, racists?
[16:51] <Melcom> I told you before I ware banned a 1rate dude
[16:51] <bazhang> Melcom, please stop the nonsense
[16:52] <Melcom> I can not rememer his name mayby you can post me a list of all the users i can tell you?
[16:52] <bazhang> Melcom, you were banned for flooding the channel repeatedly, ignoring warnings, then continuing.
[16:52] <LjL> yyyes, sure
[16:52] <ikonia> Melcom: he was spoke to and apologiesed it was not intended as a racist comment
[16:52] <ikonia> Melcom: so if there is nothing else you're free to leave
[16:52] <bazhang> Melcom, see you in a month's time.
[16:53] <Melcom> why are you all so rude?
[16:53] <bazhang> Melcom, please part the channel.
[16:53] <Melcom> okay
[16:53] <Melcom> bye
[16:54] <bazhang> bye
[16:54] <Pici> A month?
[16:54] <ikonia> the guy didn't mean it as a racist comment, he was from the same place 
[16:54] <ikonia> just FYI:
[16:54] <LjL> Pici: you'd rather a year?
[16:58] <Pici> LjL: Dunno, I wasn't really paying attention.
[16:58] <ikonia>  melcome in #ubuntu-za asking about ip masks to hide his ip's from channels
[16:59] <bazhang> :0
[16:59] <Pici> ikonia: You're sure in a lot of channels.
[16:59] <ikonia> Pici: to be honest I followed him in there because of what he said about being an ubuntu representatibve
[16:59] <ikonia> wanted to make sure he didn't try to fob people off with it
[16:59] <ikonia> miss-lead
[16:59] <ikonia> mislead
[16:59] <Pici> Ah
[17:00] <ikonia> I didn't get the impression being an ubuntu representative how can I help was for good reasons
[17:00] <ikonia> just being cautious after he left a little disgruntled
[17:00] <ikonia> now he's flooding that channel
[17:00] <Pici> nice.
[17:01] <bazhang> quelle surprise
[17:01] <ikonia> shock horror
[17:02] <ikonia> Gary: as your awake can you join #ubuntu-za and mute the flood please
[17:02] <ikonia> no ops appear avilable
[17:02] <Pici> ikonia: staff are not on the access list there
[17:03] <Gary> yeah, what pici said
[17:03] <ikonia> ooh really
[17:03] <ikonia> damn
[17:05] <ikonia> /join/join #ubuntu-za
[17:05] <ikonia> oops
[17:05] <ikonia> fat fingers all the way
[17:08] <ikonia> what a surprise melcom found ##club-ubuntu
[17:08] <ikonia> almost as if he knew about it before joining #ubuntu - shock
[17:14] <Pici> sebsebseb being himself again in +1. issued one remove
[17:15] <ikonia> I gave him a serious warning in here - then a warning in there about 2 minutes ago 
[17:15] <Pici> ikonia: Ah.
[17:15] <ikonia> enoguh 
[17:15] <Pici> I didnt see it.
[17:15] <ikonia> 6:56 < ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm not laughing - you got a pretty clear warning
[17:16] <ikonia> he managed to last 10 minutes
[17:18] <ikonia> sebsebseb: hi
[17:18] <sebsebseb> ikonia: hi
[17:18] <ikonia> sebsebseb: so what's the deal ?
[17:18] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you had a pretty serious warning in here - I gave you a waring again in #ubuntu+1 then Pici had to kick you 10 minutes later ?
[17:19] <sebsebseb> yeah I got kicked,  I reolize why as well
[17:19] <ikonia> yes - but why
[17:19] <ikonia> I gave you a pretty clear warning in here the other day about your behaviour
[17:19] <sebsebseb> ,because I was being an idiot
[17:19] <ikonia> I gave you a reminder 10 minutes ago 
[17:19] <ikonia> you couldn't even hold it together for 10 minutes
[17:19] <ikonia> do you think the warnings mean nothing ?
[17:19] <sebsebseb> no
[17:19] <ikonia> so why do you keep ignoring them and being a problem
[17:22] <sebsebseb> maybe to do with my slight Aspergers Syndrome, but I don't want to make excuses.  maybe it's for the best that I am banned from #ubuntu+1 for now,  but  hopefully I can have access again tommorow.   Also I am actsually going to check out the channel rules again.
[17:22] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you seem to be able to turn this on and off when you please
[17:23] <sebsebseb> ikonia: turn what on or off?  being an idiot you mean?
[17:23] <ikonia> sebsebseb: yes, and the polite "what you want to hear" response
[17:24] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ,but  yeah this looks bad for my channel record, if there is such a thing
[17:24] <ikonia> it's not painting you in a good light
[17:24] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm frustrated with  you as we spent a good time talking this through the other day and making it clear what the situation / rules was
[17:25] <ikonia> I'm more frustrated as I gave you a ping just 10 minutes ago to remind you of the converstion in here
[17:25] <sebsebseb> ikonia: main rule, don't swear in the channel, keep it family friendly?
[17:25] <ikonia> sebsebseb: can you give me any reason to think you are heeding this warning any better than the others ?
[17:26] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ,because of certain learning difficulties my  vocublery is a bit rubbish at times,  also I am not that good at sayings.   what did you mean exactly by that?
[17:27] <ikonia> sebsebseb: no problem, can you give me any reason to think you'll pay attention to the warning you're getting now any better than the others you've had
[17:28] <sebsebseb> ikonia: sure, because it's no fun, joining this channel,  plus  I want to be a good member of the user community,  instead of some troll
[17:28] <ikonia> sebsebseb: yup - which is what you said yesterday when we had this conversation
[17:28] <ikonia> sebsebseb: so why should I think you can do better this time  ?
[17:29] <sebsebseb> ikonia: yesterday I was suprised that I only lasted about 6 minutes, before yeah.   and then even more suprised today, that I lasted about the same amount of time before this
[17:29] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'll make a suggestion - see what you think
[17:30] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok sure go a head
[17:30] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm not blind to people with issues such as Aspergers, so I do appreciate how easy it is to make slip ups
[17:30] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I have a family member who works with people with Aspergers, I am aware and sympathetic
[17:30] <ikonia> sebsebseb: just to be clear 
[17:31] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok
[17:31] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'd suggest - take some time out of the the ubuntu channels, all of them just a few days and think about a way to control yourself in the channels, maybe a few second delay before you press enter to each comment you make
[17:32] <ikonia> sebsebseb: the reason I suggest the ubuntu channels in general is you have been an issue in a few channels now - so it maybe best to let everyone take a break from your recent behaviour and start afresh, say monday next week
[17:32] <ikonia> fresh week, fresh attitude, fresh approach 
[17:33] <ikonia> sebsebseb: how does that sit with you ?
[17:33] <ikonia> or "what do you think" to be clear 
[17:34] <ikonia> sebsebseb: maybe try introducing yourself into busy channels slowley to gain control, eg: start with the loco channel, that has less traffic and is more friendly see how you get on 
[17:37] <sebsebseb> ikonia: well I have never had a problem with  #ubuntu+offtopic which I would go to sometimes.   #ubuntu+1 it seems I have been wanting to express some negative  views there, so  maybe best to keep me banned from that one for now.  espesially with the beta tommoorw, and how I might want to complain about something.   as for #ubuntu  I think I will be ok there now,  except maybe when it comes to offtopic stuff which 
[17:37] <sebsebseb> isn't meant to be there tommorow.  take  last night for example there was some Jan person that was off topic for like 15 minutes or so in there.   what's the cookie stuff acstaully about?  I am pretty sure you gave me one last night
[17:38] <sebsebseb> isant' meant to be there anyway it was meant to say above
[17:38] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I think you should take a break from the ubuntu channels in general to have a clean start
[17:38] <sebsebseb> or be 100% good in #ubuntu ????
[17:39] <sebsebseb> so if people are off topic just ignore it?  or  do  !ot ????
[17:39] <ikonia> sebsebseb: no - I think it would be better to just take a break
[17:39] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you've proved you can't control yourself to be %100 good - so take a break to start afresh next week
[17:40] <ikonia> sebsebseb: then we can start easying back into channels - 
[17:40] <ikonia> channels like the loco channels are more relaxed so to get into the routine of IRC it may be a better place to build up on
[17:40] <ikonia> plus there is a great community there that will provide you with support
[17:41] <ikonia> support for you as a person, plus support with your ubuntu world
[17:42] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I think this is better,   I  have access to #ubuntu if  I brake a rule which isn't  very slight offtopic,  I get booted untill Monday,  and I remain banned from +1 untill then as well
[17:43] <sebsebseb> ikonia: deal or no deal?
[17:44] <sebsebseb> ikonia: as you may have noticed, I am mainly using it to suppourt others now days
[17:46] <sebsebseb> ikonia: which ones are the loco channels?
[17:46] <ikonia> sorry I was on the phone for a moment
[17:46] <sebsebseb> ah ok no problem
[17:47] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I don't think thats better - and I'm trying to offer you a more relaxed approach and easy way to get comfortable in irc
[17:47] <ikonia> sebsebseb: fact - you've proved you can't behave in the main channels - I don't want to be in a situation where you're banned because of minor things and your reputation
[17:47] <ikonia> sebsebseb: by taking a break you're showing your willing to have a serious attempt to participate in irc
[17:48] <ikonia> sebsebseb: one moment please
[17:48] <ikonia> Like: how can we help 
[17:49] <ikonia> sebsebseb: won't keep you a minute
[17:50] <ikonia> Like: if you have nothing you want please leave the channel
[17:50] <ikonia> Pici: Myrtti jussi01_ LjL got a second so I can finish up with sebsebseb please. 
[17:52] <ikonia> sebsebseb: be with you as quick as possible, just let me clear the channel of Like's issue before we continue
[17:52] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok
[17:52] <Pici> ikonia: Whats up?
[17:52] <ikonia> Pici: can you clear Like please - 
[17:52] <Pici> ikonia: From here?
[17:53] <ikonia> Pici: just remove him from #ubuntu band doding and he's just sat here
[17:53] <ikonia> Pici: yeah, I'd like to finish up with sebsebseb 
[17:53] <ikonia> band doding??? ban dodging
[17:53] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[17:53] <ikonia> sebsebseb: just wanted to clear that issue so there was no disruption 
[17:53] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok
[17:54] <ikonia> sebsebseb: so what I'd like to see is take a break from the ubuntu channels - all of them until the end of the weekend, take a moment to think about what triggers you off miss-behaving, then we'll work togther - start joining a loco to see how we get on 
[17:54] <sebsebseb> ikonia: what's loco?
[17:54] <ikonia> sebsebseb: totally fresh slate next week - fresh week, fresh slate, fresh attitude, fresh approach 
[17:54] <ikonia> sebsebseb: "local channel" 
[17:54] <ikonia> sebsebseb: eg: targeted at UK users 
[17:54] <sebsebseb> ikonia: oh you mean like  #ubuntu-uk
[17:55] <ikonia> sebsebseb: correct, yes
[17:55] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I been there,  it's mainly general chat, it sucks
[17:55] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it's a lot more relaxed and a good way to break into irc in a more controlled environment
[17:55] <jussi01> yay for connection!
[17:55] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I have used IRC  here and there the last few years
[17:55] <ikonia> sebsebseb: don't worry - if you don't like it, it's just as a way to introduce you to ubuntu's irc practices without the pressure and busy of the main channel
[17:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: ok - I'm trying to help you
[17:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: if you want to go that way then we'll do it that way
[17:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you've used IRC for a few years so should be able to behave in a channel without constant warnings 
[17:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: therefore you have proved you are unable to follow the ubuntu irc guidelines so you will remain banned
[17:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: is that the way you want to go ?
[17:56] <sebsebseb> ikonia: not that often in those few years
[17:57] <ikonia> sebsebseb: `you can't change your story to suit the arguement
[17:57] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you are either experienced with IRC or you're not - which way do you want to go 
[17:57] <sebsebseb> ikonia: not that experienced, hence why I keep out of most general chat channels :)
[17:58] <sebsebseb> ikonia: #Ubuntu it's great, when it's all nice and on topic
[17:58] <ikonia> sebsebseb: yet you refuse to take a more gentle approach to one of the most busy channels on the network 
[17:58] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it's ontopic until you start
[17:58] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm trying to help you here but you are not making it easy
[17:58] <sebsebseb> ikonia: well I am not the only person that has gone offtopic in #ubuntu
[17:58] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm not discussing anyone else
[17:59] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm discussing you
[17:59] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm also not offering this level of help and to support to other users - so if you want I can pull my support from you and treat your disruption as I would any other use
[17:59] <ikonia> user
[17:59] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you can't have it both ways
[17:59] <sebsebseb> ikonia: how would you treat other users?
[18:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: they would be banned because they had had repeated warnings 
[18:00] <sebsebseb> ikonia: permantly banned?
[18:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: very rarley but - other users are not the discussion here, how to allow you to use IRC without being an issue is
[18:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: lets focus on that
[18:01] <ikonia> sebsebseb: so how do you want to proceed - do you want to work with us to get confidence that you can behave in the channels up, or do you want to do your own thing
[18:02] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I think I can be  very good in #ubuntu now by staying on topic, and ignoring the offtopic stuff,  but  even so you  want me to have a brake from all channels untill Monday?  which is ashame since I quite like #ubuntu and  #ubuntu-offtopic can be pretty good at times to
[18:03] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you thought you could behave many times before - and failed
[18:03] <ikonia> sebsebseb: the decision is yours how you proceed
[18:04] <sebsebseb> ikonia: so basically I can use #ubuntu ,but  if I get banned/kicked again, it will be even worse?
[18:05] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you can chose to accept the support I'm offering and I'm sure the other members of the community will offer too, and work up to being a bit more of a trusted user with confidence that you can stay in a channel for longer than ten minutes, or you can carry on as you have been doing trying to do "good" but getting banned but this will be the last warning I give to you 
[18:05] <ikonia> sebsebseb: and as I said taking a break from the channels may help people approach you with a fresh perspective as at the moment - you come across as user who is an issue and can't be trusted
[18:05] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you need to lose that perception 
[18:06] <sebsebseb> ikonia: a user that can't be trusted, by who?
[18:06] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I came from a different IRC community before I joined the ubuntu community, and it was only the people in the channels that helped give me a fresh perspective
[18:06] <ikonia> sebsebseb: by the ubuntu channel - you can't be trusted to not be an issue or behave
[18:07] <sebsebseb> ikonia: you don't just mean the ops, you mean  other people that use it as well?
[18:07] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I think we've probably discussed this enough, it's up to you how you want to proceed
[18:07] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you're focusing on the wrong thing
[18:07] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ,but yes my reputation has gone a bit bad
[18:07] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it's very bad
[18:07] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'll be honest
[18:08] <ikonia> sebsebseb: hence why I'm trying to suggest something that is a fresh start and a bit more of a contolled approach to get peoples confidence in you back 
[18:09] <sebsebseb> ikonia: indeed, but  with access to #ubuntu  I may be tempted to join there before Monday, if you get what I mean.   I am not saying ban me from that channel.
[18:09] <ikonia> sebsebseb: not joining will be a good test of your control 
[18:09] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it proves your serious
[18:09] <ikonia> sebsebseb: and it proves your willing 
[18:10] <sebsebseb> ikonia: well I guess I spent a bit to much time with  Ubuntu IRC,  the  last  two or three weeks or whatever it is,  there are other channels,  and other things I can do on the computer
[18:10] <ikonia> yes, there certainly are 
[18:11]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[18:11] <sebsebseb> ikonia: question?   well  I should probably sort the identifying  of this name out again,  but  the ops can see who people are anyway?   so let's say I  am not joining untill Monday, but someone decides that they want  to go on #ubuntu with my name?  the ops would know it was a fake?
[18:12] <ikonia> sebsebseb: this nickname has never been used before
[18:12] <ikonia> sebsebseb: stop trying to make a situation out of one that doesn't exist
[18:12] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I think we'll leave it there - it's clear you just want to do you're own thing and I've spent enough time trying to guide you
[18:12] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I have sebsebseb registerd on freednode,  I just  haven't bothered to identify for ages, since  I need to do a new password on it.
[18:13] <sebsebseb> ikonia: no you misunderstood
[18:13] <ikonia> sebsebseb: again - it's not an issue
[18:13] <ikonia> I'll leave it there as I'm going home
[18:13] <sebsebseb> ikonia: indeed about the  the reputaiton
[18:13] <ikonia> if you're still in the #ubuntu-$ channels when I get home I'll assume you want to do your own thing
[18:13] <ikonia> or if I see you in the channels (I'm not banning you from any) until monday - I'll assume you want to do you're own thing
[18:14] <sebsebseb> ikonia: thanks for all this, and  hummmm
[18:14] <sebsebseb> ikonia: Monday!
[18:14] <ikonia> sebsebseb: we'll see - think about it while I drive over
[18:14] <ikonia> I'm happy to work with you, but I won't be messed around so think it over
[18:14] <ikonia> I'll be away for a few hours
[18:14] <popey> 17:54:58 < sebsebseb> ikonia: oh you mean like  #ubuntu-uk
[18:14] <popey> 17:55:12 < sebsebseb> ikonia: I been there,  it's mainly general chat, it sucks
[18:14] <popey> :(
[18:15] <sebsebseb> popey: why  :(
[18:15] <sebsebseb> ?
[18:15] <ikonia> popey: I was going to pm you for help - so ignore his comments ;)
[18:15] <ikonia> sebsebseb: popey is one of the ubuntu-uk operators and a commnuity leader
[18:15] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you've just called his community ;)
[18:15] <sebsebseb> ikonia: oh right I see
[18:15]  * Seeker` too
[18:15] <popey> saddens me to think people think -uk sucks
[18:15] <ikonia> popey: hey I bigged you up saying it was a great place to learn 
[18:15] <popey> :)
[18:15]  * popey hugs ikonia 
[18:15] <sebsebseb> popey: well  I may be around there giving it a proper try before  Monday
[18:16] <popey> now get!
[18:16] <sebsebseb> popey: don't ban me for those comments :d
[18:16] <ikonia> sebsebseb: you've not listend to a word I said have you
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ikonia: I have
[18:16] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I said remove yourself from the ubuntu channels to start a fresh chapter
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ikonia: bad reputation in Ubuntu channels
[18:16] <ikonia> sebsebseb: what do you think #ubuntu-uk is ?
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ikonia: oh you mean that channel as well
[18:16] <ikonia> sebsebseb: #ubuntu* channels
[18:16] <sebsebseb> ikonia: you were talking about loco chanenls earlier though?
[18:17] <ikonia> sebsebseb: yes joining it as an introduction to get to grips with the ubuntu guidelines for irc
[18:17] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ah ha  #ubuntu-uk is also an offical channel
[18:17] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it's a good commnity with some good memebers, popey Seeker` are both here and have witnessed this conversation 
[18:17] <sebsebseb> ikonia: who is Seeker?
[18:17] <popey> an op of -uk
[18:17] <ikonia> sebsebseb: lots of people to guide in a more releaxed environment than the busy main channels
[18:18] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok well I am starting to think about what I am going to do  before Monday, instead of Ubuntu IRC
[18:19] <ikonia> sebsebseb: have a think about what you want to do, any questions ask someone - plenty of people saw this conversation and I'm sure would offer advice 
[18:19] <ikonia> now I really must go 
[18:19] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ok well  bye for now,  thanks for your help,  see you on Monday
[18:19] <sebsebseb> or whenever
[18:19] <sebsebseb> after Monday
[18:22] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu DemonTech ban dodging - demonXP
[18:35] <Pici> sebsebseb: If theres nothing else, would you please part this channel? Thanks.
[18:35] <sebsebseb> Pici: yep
[18:35] <sebsebseb> I was about to
[18:36] <sebsebseb> Pici: bye
[18:37] <sebsebseb> Monday yeah!
[18:37] <nickspoon> *cough*
[19:18] <mneptok> we walked around in circles singing. oo ha oh! i said people walked around for practically forever singing! oo ha oh! i said our heads our heads were filled with things that didn't matter anyway and we're SINGING! OO HA OH!
[19:19] <Seeker`> mneptok: may I be the first (in the last 5 mins) to say, WTF?!
[19:19] <mneptok> alright. everybody sing ...
[19:19] <nickspoon> mneptok :D
[19:20] <mneptok> all to the tune of this very simple melody ...
[19:22] <mneptok> ou vont les garcons?
[19:54] <Flannel> trolls always show up when I have to run...
[19:55]  * Flannel resolves to never having to run.
[19:55] <Flannel> Someone keep an eye on AlloesGirl in #u
[20:18] <ikonia> Seeker`: I was just trying to do a good thing and give someone a chance
[20:19] <Seeker`> ikonia: ?
[20:21] <ikonia> Seeker`: wtf last 5 mins
[20:22] <ikonia> I assume you where on about me trying to get sebsebseb on track
[20:23] <Seeker`> ikonia: that was directed at mneptok
[20:23] <ikonia> ooh
[20:23] <ikonia> sorry
[20:23] <Seeker`> It was going to be "may I be the first to say, WTF?!"
[20:24] <Seeker`> but then I realised that many many people ahve said that to him before
[20:24] <Seeker`> then it was going to be "may I be the first to say (today), WTF?!"
[20:24] <Seeker`> but then I realised that would probably be wrong too
[21:20] <guntbert> Hi, in #ubuntu - is it possible to redirect the output of an !info request like with the factoids? (like !info mc | guntbert)
[21:21] <Seeker`> !info mc > guntbert 
[21:21] <Seeker`> grr
[21:21] <LjL> guntbert: not currently
[21:21] <LjL> guntbert: that feature got broken some time in the past
[21:22] <guntbert> LjL: ok, thx  would be sort of nice :-) bye
[21:22] <LjL> yeah it would be nice
[23:54] <stdin> !info bash | stdin
[23:54] <stdin> eek
[23:55] <LjL> !info bash intrepid | ljl
[23:55] <stdin> !info bash | stdin
[23:55] <stdin> hmm
[23:58] <jpds> Yeah, PackageInfo doesn't redirect cos it's not part of Encyclopedia.
[23:58] <stdin> I'm trying to "fix" it
[23:58] <stdin> it works in /msg :)
[23:58] <jpds> HOOARY! \o/
[23:58] <jpds> Nafallo: ^
[23:59] <LjL> stdin: it *used* to work though
[23:59] <LjL> don't remember when it broke
[23:59] <stdin> LjL: it worked when it was a part of Encyclopedia