[00:08] <iamthelostboy> perfect
[00:08] <iamthelostboy> thanks :)
[20:45] <sadmac> Keybuk: ping
[20:48] <Keybuk> hello
[20:49] <sadmac> Keybuk: ah, you're around :)
[20:50] <Keybuk> briefly
[20:50] <Keybuk> what's up?
[20:50] <sadmac> Keybuk: so what's been moving with upstart? I've been distracted for awhile so I haven't even seen if you've pushed code in awhile
[20:50] <Keybuk> busy coding on it ;)
[20:50] <Keybuk> no pushes though
[20:50] <sadmac> keeping all the fun to yourself yet again :)
[20:51] <Keybuk> I'm doing what all the cool people (ie. git users) do
[20:51] <Keybuk> code in private, then rework all the commits before pushing
[20:52] <Keybuk> mostly just because I keep changing function names and filenames
[20:52] <Keybuk> and that kind of thing is hell for a revision control system
[20:52] <sadmac> there's a NetworkManager Sucks flamewar on fedora-devel, which got me thinking about replacing NM with a series of upstart jobs
[20:53] <sadmac> what do you think?
[20:53] <Keybuk> NM is just fine the way it is
[20:53] <sadmac> eh. probably.
[20:53] <Keybuk> Upstart is just a service manager
[20:53] <sadmac> I know
[20:53] <Keybuk> you'd still need the mechanism daemon and policy agent of NM
[20:53] <sadmac> but what occurs to me is so is NM
[20:54] <Keybuk> just that NM would use Upstart's service manager for things like wpa, dhclient, etc.
[20:54] <Keybuk> which I've already talked to dcbw about
[20:54] <sadmac> it occured to me awhile ago actually that reimplementing our sysvinit network service in Upstart would probably be most of NM
[20:55] <Keybuk> NM has a lot more know-how about things
[20:56] <sadmac> that and it introduces some service relationships that we don't have now (the 'network' state is up when ANY of the 'interface' states are up EXCEPT the 'lo' interface..)
[20:57] <sadmac> did you do any of that writeup/documentation stuff you wanted done?
[20:57] <Keybuk> not yet
[20:59] <sadmac> damn. that means I have to do coursework now instead of hacking on stuff.
[21:02] <Keybuk> I apologize, but the problem was not a network one at all.  The
[21:02] <Keybuk> problem was that the NetworkManager did not have dependencies
[21:02] <Keybuk> installed correctly, and turned out to be related to a peculiar
[21:02] <Keybuk> yum/Anaconda install scenario.
[21:02] <Keybuk> -- 
[21:02] <Keybuk> so it wasn't even an NM problem? :p
[21:04] <sadmac> Keybuk: wrong thread I'm guessing.
[21:05] <sadmac> Keybuk: its the System Config Tools Cleanup Project thread
[21:05] <sadmac> Keybuk: someone wanted to remove the system-config-network gui (which hasn't changed since like 1993) and people were like OMG THEY'RE GONNA MAKE US USE NETWORMANAGER!!!!!!