[00:02] <Elone> anyone know how to get kubuntu to compile obj-c code ?
[00:04] <rmrfslash_> Is anyone able to help me figure out my color depth on kubuntu?
[00:06] <rmrfslash_> hello?
[00:06] <BluesKaj> rmrfslash_, it's usually 24 (bit)
[00:06] <rmrfslash_> oh
[00:08] <rmrfslash_> Why not 32?
[00:09] <rmrfslash_> wait, I found some forum that explains this
[00:09] <BluesKaj> dunno
[00:10] <rmrfslash_> basically 32-bit seems like a misrepresentation
[00:10] <rmrfslash_> on windows
[00:11] <Dragnslcr> Most LCD monitors can't do more than 24-bit color anyway
[00:11] <genii> Your eyes can't actually tell the difference between 24bit and 32bit anyways.
[00:11] <Dragnslcr> Well, most of them are only really 18-bit
[00:13] <BluesKaj> rmrfslash_, look in your xorg.conf file and it should show as DefaultDepth 24 under the screen module
[00:14] <zer0o> hi, wheni watch a video on a website, where does this "temporary" file go? what folder?
[00:15] <rmrfslash_> anyways
[00:15] <rmrfslash_> I'm really enjoying the open source ati driver
[00:16] <rmrfslash_> really hasn't let me down (in a 2d sense)
[00:16] <BluesKaj> fglrxgears give a decent rendering ?
[00:16] <rmrfslash_> don't have it
[00:16] <BluesKaj> try it out
[00:16] <rmrfslash_> no 3d accel
[00:17] <BluesKaj> I have nvidia , which doesn't have the equivalent to the ati
[00:17] <rmrfslash_> they have an open source driver... but it's reverse engineered cuz nvidia won't give up the friggin specs and code
[00:19] <BluesKaj> what ati card? ..you should have 3D and direct rendering
[00:19] <rmrfslash_> I have DRI support only cuz I manually compiled it
[00:20] <rmrfslash_> the driver from kubuntu's  restricted drivers tool is out of date and breaks resume fromhibernate
[00:21] <BluesKaj> ok , din't know that ...I have an onboard ati , but installed the nvidia due to the probs with the ati drivers
[00:21] <rmrfslash_> not v/ 6.12.1 though w/ the latest drm and radeon kernel modules from the r6xx_r7xx branch
[00:21] <rmrfslash_> no 3d accel though.... that's not even enabled for experimental use
[00:21] <rmrfslash_> yet.
[00:22] <rmrfslash_> I'm just pleased to see the progress being made.
[00:22] <rmrfslash_> This is going to change things.
[00:23] <zer0o> hi, wheni watch a video on a website, where does this "temporary" file go? what folder?
[00:23] <rmrfslash_> NVIDIA needs to do something... though they make a decent proprietary driver
[00:23] <rmrfslash_> memory?
[00:23] <rmrfslash_> it's just buffered into memory no?
[00:24] <zer0o> rmrfslash_: talkin to me?
[00:24] <rmrfslash_> yeah
[00:24] <rmrfslash_> sorry
[00:24] <zer0o> alright what does it mean?
[00:24] <zer0o> np
[00:24] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: what does it mean to store data in memory?
[00:24] <zer0o> what it means "buffered into memory"
[00:25] <zer0o> well i got it but if its stored, it has to temporarly be somewhere
[00:25] <zer0o> like in windows was in c:/documentsandsettings/username/personalsettings/temporaryinternetfiles or just TEMP
[00:25] <zer0o> where in linux those files are?
[00:26] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: When you click on a link, your browser downloads like a few seconds of the video (or the whole thing if it can) and stores it in memory. They call this "buffering".
[00:27] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: kind of like how a CD player buffers a few seconds into a song so that if the CD skips it skips in the buffer and you'll never hear it
[00:28] <zer0o> rmrfslash_: hmmm so no trace of the actual video remains anywhere in the hard drive?
[00:28] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: it's difficult, or at least I don't know exactly how to retrieve things from RAM
[00:28] <genii> zer0o: The problem is you are thinking in terms of the way another operating system like Windows does something. (k)ubuntu is not making some file onthe hd of your streaming video. It's getting it off the internet and storing it in it's volatile memory directly without putting it on anwhere like a file
[00:29] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: unless you go into the browser code and have it flush the memory allocation (for the buffer) to the disk
[00:29] <rmrfslash_> right... that.
[00:29] <rmrfslash_> :)
[00:29] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: but I think firefox code uses memory
[00:30] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: maybe not IE code cuz it's written by Microsoft and they're terrible programmers :)
[00:30] <zer0o> and what about /tmp then?
[00:30] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: sometimes a program will write files to /tmp, sure
[00:31] <BluesKaj> hmmm, not a torrent either :)
[00:31] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: but only if you need to store a temporary file.... I don't think anyone implementing a video buffer is going to write the buffer to your hard drive.
[00:32] <zer0o> rmrfslash_: well, the thing is i watched a video, dont remember the site, no chronology enabled on my ff3 so i was trying to find a way to get back to it
[00:33] <rmrfslash_> zer0o: Hmm... yer stuck. You could try to "rip" the video off the site ;)
[00:33] <rmrfslash_> next time
[00:33] <rmrfslash_> See *then* it goes to disk.
[00:33] <zer0o> rmrfslash_: plus i think pornosite do have video buffers that write on ur hard drive thatz how they sent u the spy-wares or whatever it is
[00:33] <zer0o> rmrfslash_: i no how to do that, but i dont remember the site anymore and i wanted to keep that video
[00:34] <gkffcks1> does anyone know how to test for an empty string in tcsh?
[00:34] <rmrfslash_> gkffcks1: tcsh?!?!?
[00:34] <rmrfslash_> :)
[00:35] <gkffcks1> yep! tcsh
[00:35] <gkffcks1> but it has no channel of it's own so that's why I'm asking here
[00:35] <rmrfslash_> dude, google.
[00:36] <rmrfslash_> "test for empty string in tcsh"
[00:36] <rmrfslash_> http://tinyurl.com/dbjxte
[00:37] <rmrfslash_> I think this is funny: www.gewgle.com
[00:37]  * kuaera rubs head. Using Jaunty in a production environment for a few days has made a few minor issues totally unbearable.
[00:38] <rmrfslash_> kuaera: why would you use jaunty in a production environment?
[00:38] <rmrfslash_> kuaera: it's ALPHA :D
[00:38] <rmrfslash_> not even beta
[00:38] <kuaera> rmrfslash_: I know, but things that worked fine in Intrepid are now broken :/
[00:39] <rmrfslash_> cuz they're messing w/ a dependency
[00:39] <rmrfslash_> probably
[00:39] <kuaera> My file picker dialog is stuck in descending filename sort [ignores my changes], for one. That's annoying.
[00:41] <kuaera> Also, I can't get the weather station plasmoid to accept my location for the life of me.
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> yeah........ alpha ;)
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> Wait til the end of April
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> or at least a RC if you're really impatient
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> I'm done using alpha sw except to contribute to the QC
[00:41] <BluesKaj> heh, i'm just getting used to intrepids quirks
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> intrepid isn't bad
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> im usin it
[00:41] <kuaera> Also, there have been no updates to KDE packages on the repo since Saturday o_o
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> better than hardy
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> or at least kde 4.2 is
[00:41] <rmrfslash_> r u usin 4.1?
[00:41] <BluesKaj> I have some graphics issues , but mostly when I run some windows apps in wine
[00:42] <rmrfslash_> oh no wait... jaunty is 4.2 by default i think
[00:42] <kuaera> That is correct.
[00:42] <rmrfslash_> I've never had good luck w/ Wine except in some few occasions
[00:43] <rmrfslash_> BluesKaj, you might consider trying a virtual machine instead of wine.
[00:43] <BluesKaj> simple windows apps like utorrent and neotrace run quite well
[00:43] <rmrfslash_> VirtualBox or VMware Player
[00:43] <rmrfslash_> those work pretty well for me when I need doze
[00:44] <rmrfslash_> Both have a concept of "shared folders" which will share a folder (or several) between your bas operating system and the "guest" operating system (windows)
[00:44] <rmrfslash_> which I find useful
[00:44] <BluesKaj> the probs aren't annoying, just lil icons distortions
[00:44] <rmrfslash_> yeah.... I tried playing Crayon Physics in Wine
[00:45] <BluesKaj> VB and VMware aren't worth the trouble
[00:45] <rmrfslash_> worked... but was a pain in the ASS to get workin
[00:45] <rmrfslash_> the trouble?
[00:45] <rmrfslash_> you just install them
[00:45] <rmrfslash_> i think VB is even in apt
[00:46] <rmrfslash_> VB will even run VMware images
[00:46] <BluesKaj> to run them
[00:46] <BluesKaj> can't be bothered
[00:46] <rmrfslash_> true, you do have to power them on... but, you don't have to deal w/ enulator issues
[00:46] <rmrfslash_> *emulator
[00:47] <rmrfslash_> just a suggestion
[00:47] <rmrfslash_> I don't think I can install fglrxgears w/o the fglrx driver
[00:48] <rmrfslash_> I get terrible performance on regular glxgears
[00:48] <rmrfslash_> 150 fps
[00:48] <BluesKaj> we have enuff windows machines in this house , 6 other machines,  2 desktops and 4 laptops , daughter and her 2 kids all have laptops , all running Vista :(
[00:48] <rmrfslash_> eugh......
[00:48] <rmrfslash_> vista.
[00:48] <BluesKaj> hehe
[00:49] <BluesKaj> rmrfslash_, whaich ati ?
[00:49] <rmrfslash_> card?
[00:49] <BluesKaj> yeah
[00:49] <rmrfslash_> mobility radeon hd 3670
[00:49] <BluesKaj> 0h , anew one
[00:49] <rmrfslash_> using the radeon driver v 6.12.1
[00:49] <rmrfslash_> yeah... so new I can't get 3d accel :)
[00:50] <rmrfslash_> it's like moving backwards!
[00:50] <rmrfslash_> the newer the card, the worse the performance
[00:50] <BluesKaj> ati is always playing catchup
[00:50] <rmrfslash_> might as well go buy a Voodoo
[00:50] <BluesKaj> in linux
[00:51] <rmrfslash_> I'm hoping that since the driver is now open source it will overshoot nvidia
[00:51] <BluesKaj> games eh ?
[00:51] <rmrfslash_> no
[00:51] <rmrfslash_> not a big gamer
[00:51] <rmrfslash_> so really the 3d accel isn't a big deal
[00:51] <BluesKaj> video edit dude ?
[00:51] <rmrfslash_> no, but I do scientific visualization stuff
[00:52] <rmrfslash_> i.e. "FreeSurfer"
[00:52] <rmrfslash_> well more like e.g. freesurfer
[00:52] <BluesKaj> dunno what  freesurfer is
[00:53] <rmrfslash_> some 3d modeling thing
[00:57] <BluesKaj> BBL, ...TV with wifey for a bit
[01:03] <rmrfslash_> l8er
[01:16] <denford> how can i tel if ETags are enabled on my server?
[01:18] <slerder> Hey guys does anyone know if its possible to have multiple partitions on a external usb hdd, and on one of those partitions have a truecrypt installation of windows? thanks
[01:20] <genii> slerder: Yes for both.
[01:21] <slerder> genii.. ok thanks, but is it a big problem to install windows to a usb drive? ( i want a truecrypt hidden installation though)
[01:22] <genii> slerder: You'd likely need to ask questions regarding Windows in the channel of ##windows
[01:22] <slerder> genii thanks
[01:23] <genii> slerder: There is also a problem of mounting encrypted Windows partitions in linux with some ways it can be encrypted (In Pro versions for example)
[01:30] <demon> a program for mounting iso?
[01:31] <genii> demon: loopmount it
[01:31] <genii> !iso
[01:32] <genii> demon: There is no linux equivelent to alcohol120   or such
[01:32] <demon> there is genii
[01:32] <demon> aceton :P
[01:32] <demon> but doesnt mount thats all :P
[01:33] <genii> Try the loopmount way then
[01:33] <demon> and the mount point should be /usr/media/cdrom
[01:33] <demon> smt like that :D
[01:36] <genii> If the fs on the cd is something unusual you may need to specify -t fstype    like -t udf     or so on
[01:39] <demon> genii: is there deamon tools for linux
[01:39] <demon> ??
[01:39] <genii> demon: Not as far as I know
[01:41] <genii> !info kiso
[01:41] <genii> Thats about the closest one
[01:42] <demon> i have a .bsa
[01:42] <demon> wth is that
[01:45] <genii> .bsa is the filetype extension?
[01:48] <genii> Apparently some obsolete archiving extension
[01:49] <demon> lol
[01:49] <demon> why you say that
[01:50] <genii> demon: http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/dtbsa.htm
[01:52] <genii> demon: I'm also finding on Bethesda Software's site how to make a .bsa file. Sso I'm suspecting it's theirs. (Oblivion, etc)
[01:56] <Ev0luti0n_> hello folks
[01:57] <Ev0luti0n_> anybody with ubuntu 8.10 64bit?
[01:58] <Ev0luti0n_> did any of you experienced frequent crashes?
[02:04] <chronic> does anyone know how to add a new user to kde- kubuntu?
[02:20] <Evilcow187> Anybody on that can help with setting up a wireless connection?
[02:22] <Evilcow187> It's a simple wep but I can't get it to connect
[02:26] <AHemlocksLie> I've been having monitor issues trying to install from a live CD. I think it's the refresh rate. How could I change that from the terminal on the live CD?
[02:27] <AHemlocksLie> well, it's actually a usb drive, but I got the live CD running from it
[02:27] <Evilcow187> Play around with your xorg.conf AHemlocksLie
[02:29] <AHemlocksLie> I found xorg.conf, and I managed to get it open
[02:29] <AHemlocksLie> buit it doesn't have an entry for the refresh rate
[02:29] <AHemlocksLie> where and how do I need to add that?
[02:30] <AHemlocksLie> ...wait, I have Ubuntu dual-booting on this PC... I could just look at my own
[02:30] <AHemlocksLie> I feel like a genius
[02:30] <Evilcow187> Well there you go
[02:31] <AHemlocksLie> I think I might have found it...
[02:31] <AHemlocksLie> mine says
[02:31] <Evilcow187> If you didn't have that I would have told you to google your monitor and get that info to add to your xorg.conf
[02:31] <AHemlocksLie> 	Vertrefresh	50.0	-	85.0
[02:31] <cristian> hi
[02:31] <AHemlocksLie> so just replace the 50 - 85 with 60?
[02:31] <AHemlocksLie> assuming I wanted to set it to 60
[02:31] <cristian> someone can help me a little?
[02:32] <Evilcow187> I'd say yes but i have a feeling that might not do it
[02:33] <cristian> xD
[02:33] <cristian> kk...
[02:33] <cristian> anyway... this is my problem
[02:33] <cristian> [sorry if my english is a little bad]
[02:33] <cristian> i finished the configuration for internet...
[02:34] <cristian> but.. konqueror do not want to enter google or any other web
[02:34] <cristian> and kopete do not conect with my msn account
[02:35] <cristian> ... i have kubuntu 8.04
[02:36] <Evilcow187> Are you using that machine to get to this irc channel?
[02:36] <cristian> yes
[02:38] <Evilcow187> You may want to hang out and wait for someone with more knowledge, from the sounds of it you shouldn't be having a problem
[02:39] <cristian> ... kk... tnx  ^_^
[02:39] <devilsadvocate> cristian, kopete connects to other stuff?
[02:40] <cristian> other stuff?
[02:40] <Evilcow187> You've never used Kopete devils?
[02:40] <cristian> no... i installed linux yesterday
[02:41] <cristian> and take me hard work to install this modem ¬_¬ stupid modem....
[02:46] <Evilcow187> So you are on a dial up connection cristian?
[02:46] <cristian> adsl
[02:47] <cristian> adept manager ... works too
[02:50]  * chalcedny smiles
[02:50] <Evilcow187> Yeah, wait for someone more experienced
[02:50] <cristian> xD
[02:51] <chalcedny> we have a totally weird problem... BOTH of the keyboards to my husband's computer are acting backwards.. if I press capslock i get regular, if i press / i get ?
[02:51] <cristian> language configuration?
[02:52] <chalcedny> english as far as i know
[02:52] <cristian> mmmm restart ? xD
[02:52] <cristian> hahahaha
[02:52] <chalcedny> - comes out _
[02:52] <chalcedny> that sounds like something to do for Windows (tm)
[02:53] <cristian> ... i installed linux yesterday! xD
[02:53] <cristian> if in know more linux i could say you maybe how to fix it
[02:54] <chalcedny> hehehe
[02:54] <cristian> dont have any shortcut for change the keyboard language?
[02:54] <chalcedny> cristian even if you're right..i don't trust you
[02:54] <cristian> in windows it is shift+ctrl
[02:55] <cristian> ... windows have all my games.... I'M A GAMERR!!! TToTT *sob*
[02:55] <chalcedny> hehe
[02:55] <Evilcow187> Cristian, you can get wow to run under kubuntu
[02:56] <chalcedny> cristian so ? there are games
[02:56] <cristian> yeah.. i know it..
[02:57] <cristian> i have to go right now... for check if a friend is conected.. to the msn xD [other microsoft s***]
[02:58] <cristian> coz i cant conect with the kopete... i dont know what is going on with my internet
[02:58] <linking> ?
[02:59] <chalcedny> you can do msn with yahoo in pidgin
[02:59] <chalcedny> but not sound or video
[02:59] <cristian> i cant use kopete with my msn account ... and cant surf the internet with konqueror
[03:00] <chalcedny> pidgin isn't bad
[03:00] <cristian> if i can use the browser i could donwload something -_-
[03:00] <cristian> i saw pidgin...
[03:00] <cristian> and it is for windows too lol
[03:01] <Evilcow187> You should be able to get these other programs through adept
[03:02] <cristian> lets see....
[03:05] <cristian> apt-get install is overpower lol
[03:09] <cristian> wiiiii.. pidgin is running
[04:02] <tanjir> how do i setup kmouth in kubuntu interpid?
[04:02] <tanjir> i have kttsd and festival installed... what would be the command for speaking text?
[04:24] <beatzz> sup all :)
[04:27] <chalcedny> what does KDE run pdf files with?
[04:27] <genii> kpdf
[04:27] <chalcedny> my husband's computer doesn't seem to know what to use?
[04:27] <chalcedny> ah ok ty :)
[04:28] <chalcedny> error - KPDF
[04:29] <chalcedny> Could not open file ://home/chulll/dia-manual.pdf
[04:29] <genii> kpdf    should be in lowercase
[04:30] <chalcedny> yes .. i was copying from the header to the error window wich is caps
[04:32] <genii> chalcedny: You can also try at Konsole prompt:    /usr/bin/kpdf /home/chulll/dia-manual.pdf
[04:34] <Dragnslcr> Doesn't KDE4 use okular?
[04:34] <genii> Dragnslcr: Not sure, I'm still primarily on 3.5.10
[04:35] <p_quarles> yes, okular in the current KDE; no more kpdf
[04:38] <chalcedny> it can't find the file .. i forgot the command to locate it?
[05:13] <chalcedny> we downloaded dia (to make a flowchart) my husband is trying to find it and the manual.pdf in Applications .. any idea where to look?
[05:17] <cerecitas> is kpdf installed at all?
[05:17] <Riesh> dpkg -L dia ?
[05:18] <chalcedny> kpdf "path/whatever/my Desktop/etc did find it.. he wanted a graphical way
[05:18] <chalcedny> Riesh thank you :)
[05:19] <Riesh> also can use dolphin ... "ctrl F"
[05:21] <chalcedny> my husband has aphasia.. he needs to be able to find it in Applications
[05:21] <Riesh> what do you mean with need to find it in applications ? .. in the kmenu ?
[05:22] <chalcedny> on the top right of the screen Appplications Places System .. in Applications is a list ...
[05:23] <chalcedny> we might .. is it possible to force it to create an icon in graphics ?
[05:23] <chengchang> Hello everybody  I'm a Chinese boy
[05:24] <bazhang> !cn
[05:24] <chengchang> Ok  Thankes
[05:24] <Riesh> If dia does not make a icon it self  you can right click on the menu and choose menu editor to make one yourself
[05:26] <Riesh> chalcedny: You use Kubuntu, Right ?
[05:29] <Riesh> chalcedny: i just installed dia and it makes a link in the graphics section of the menu ...
[06:54] <Riesh> when i put a vcd in my sata dvdrw drive i get a lot of "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block " mesages in dmesg ... and the drive can not mount ... although it can play in mplayer. However i would like to compu the video file from this vcd to the HD. Any idea how to solve this problem?
[06:55] <Riesh> "like to copy"*
[07:07] <kevin_> Quick question, does anyone in here know anything about virtualization?  I'm trying to virtualize an x86 linux box so I can play with writing some kernel modules (The computer I'm on now is my desktop/server...I can't mess up a pointer and wipe my filesystem or something...).  Anyone have any suggestions as to where I should go?  I'm mostly looking for something easy to use that works rather than a solution more geared for performance.
[07:11] <Riesh> kevin_: you can install virtualbox ...
[07:26] <inanimate> Is it possible to execute JavaScript from the Konqueror address bar?
[07:27] <inanimate> Perhaps using the JavaScript pseudo-protocol thing: javascript:alert("Hello")
[07:35] <kevin_> inanimate: what are you trying to do?
[07:36] <inanimate> kevin_: Make a bookmark with a URL like such: "javascript:void(location.href='http://oldurl.com/?url='+location.href)"
[07:38] <kevin_> inanimate: like a normal bookmarklet?  My javascript is poor...
[07:39] <inanimate> I suppose, yeah.
[07:53] <kevin_> inanimate: I figured it out.
[07:53] <inanimate> Oh?
[07:54] <kevin_> install konqueror-plugin-minitools, then in the 'Tools' menu, you get a bookmark editor you can type javascript into.
[07:54] <kevin_> (Tools menu is part of konqueror-plugin-minitools)
[07:54] <inanimate> Does that work in KDE 4 though? (Because at the moment, Konqueror has no "Tools" menu.)
[07:54] <kevin_> See http://priyadi.net/archives/2004/11/04/using-bookmarklet-in-konqueror/
[07:54] <inanimate> Oh, OK.
[07:55] <kevin_> inanimate: yes, I just got it working.
[07:55] <kevin_> inanimate: just install the package and restart konqueror.
[07:57] <inanimate> Awesome.
[07:57] <inanimate> Thanks...
[07:57] <inanimate> I feel like that is such a hack...
[07:57] <inanimate> (Not your fault of course.)
[07:57] <kevin_> no problem, I agree.
[07:58] <kevin_> I dunno, konqueror is really nice in some ways and kind of lame in others.
[07:58] <inanimate> Yeah. I love the fact that it fits in well with KDE and feels a lot lighter weight, but it's severely lacking in some areas...
[08:00] <kevin_> The biggest reason why I don't use it is flash support is nonexistant (on 64 bit system at least). It's bad in firefox and it is worse in konqueror.
[08:00] <kevin_> Pain in the ass.
[08:01] <inanimate> Oh man... Flash in Konqueror...
[08:01] <inanimate> Well, Flash in general doesn't support 64.
[08:01] <inanimate> On any platform.
[08:01] <kevin_> It sort of does half the time in firefox.
[08:01] <kevin_> Seriously, fuck Adobe.
[08:01] <inanimate> Yeah...
[08:02] <inanimate> Basically everybody is running a 64 bit machine...
[08:02] <kevin_> Honestly.
[08:02] <inanimate> Although not necessarily a 64 bit OS (I'm still running 32 bit, for instance, just because getting everything to support 64 bit is more pain than I'm willing to deal with).
[08:03] <inanimate> But as far as I know, Adobe has no plans to release a 64 bit Flash anytime soon...
[08:03] <kevin_> Really, I think it comes down to saying fuck the web though.  HTML sucks, Javascript sucks.
[08:03] <kevin_> CSS sucks.
[08:03] <inanimate> Yep.
[08:04] <inanimate> Yeah, unfortunately Flash in Konqueror is kind of broken (at least for me, it only loads the first time, and chokes every time afterward).
[08:04] <kevin_> I mean, web development is so damned hard.  It should not be.  I don't like SGML's philosophy; I wish TeX won on the web....
[08:04] <kevin_> same here.
[08:04] <inanimate> Well part of the problem I see is now everybody tries to do layouts in CSS.
[08:04] <inanimate> Which it was obviously not designed to do.
[08:04] <kevin_> Well...it works partailly....
[08:05] <kevin_> *partially
[08:05] <inanimate> If by "works" you mean enough browsers have implemented hacks to make float: look reasonable.
[08:05] <inanimate> Which is why Konqueror still fails 45% of the time.
[08:06] <kevin_> yeah.  Noone looks at their site in it.
[08:06] <inanimate> Pages naturally aren't using any standards because there *aren't* any layout standards, so people just go with what works in FF and IE.
[08:06] <inanimate> Regardless of whether or not it is standard or even reasonable.
[08:06] <inanimate> So Konqueror is left playing catch up.
[08:06] <Tm_T> !ot
[08:07] <inanimate> Or KHTML, I should say.
[08:07] <inanimate> Heh... OK.
[08:07] <kevin_> alright...
[08:08] <kevin_> inanimate: I'm taking off, going to go try to install KVM and get a 'hello world' kernel module done by tomorrow morning.
[08:08] <kevin_> nice chatting.
[08:09] <inanimate> Yep, thanks. Ciao.
[08:28] <kalidar> hi
[08:28] <kalidar> ayone around?
[08:28] <xt> no. just you
[08:50] <Guest80263> hi, how can I run the command "alltray evolution" each time I start my sesion?
[09:05] <kalidar> hey
[09:06] <kalidar> does anyone know the kde version of Fusion-icon?
[09:06] <kalidar> i need to switch to compiz and back alot
[09:07] <kalidar> compiz to metacity
[09:10] <xjjk> what's wrong with using fusion-icon itself
[09:17] <bentob0x> what's the alternative to Ark?
[09:17] <bentob0x> its a bit clumsy
[09:17] <bentob0x> or it feels like it's under dev or something
[09:19] <kalidar> hello
[09:19] <kalidar> is anyone here?!
[09:19] <kalidar> i realy realy need hewlp
[09:21] <kalidar> anyone!!!!?
[09:21] <kalidar> im having graphix errors
[09:21] <kalidar> i tryed using metacity to fix them but realized its a gnome program
[09:21] <kalidar> i need help of a kde user
[09:43] <kalidar> anyone here?
[09:43] <kalidar> i was wondering how i install a game that comes in a folder and is all .dat files
[09:43] <kalidar> its called uplink hacker elite
[09:44] <kalidar> any ideas?
[09:47] <Mamarok> kalidar: a Linux game?
[09:47] <siriusb> hi all. do anybody know when kubuntu 9.04 beta can be downloaded?
[09:48] <Mamarok> siriusb: patience, check the kubuntu.org website tonight I'd say
[09:48] <siriusb> thx. i really looking forward to insatll it. tried livecd, and it was wooooow
[09:49] <kalidar> yeah
[09:49] <kalidar> its a linux game
[09:49] <Mamarok> .dat doesn't sound like though
[09:50] <Mamarok> you should have either .deb or .rpm files, or a source package
[09:51] <Mamarok> kalidar: do you have a website where this game can be downloaded?
[09:51] <kalidar> no i have the instal cd
[09:51] <kalidar> but theirs no instal file just a folder with a bunch of dat files in it
[09:52] <kalidar> and the patch and keygen are exe files
[09:52] <Mamarok> kalidar: well, then you should have an installer on it, no?
[09:53] <Mamarok> still sounds like a Windows version, not Linux...
[09:53] <kalidar> what does a linux instaler look like
[09:53] <kalidar> its windows and linux
[09:53] <kalidar> and inside the linux folder is a bunch of dat files
[09:53] <kalidar> its called uplink.zip and i open it
[09:53] <kalidar> and then its datfiles
[09:53] <kalidar> should i unzip to .lib or something
[09:54] <kalidar> oh wate theirs a binary file
[09:54] <kalidar> it has no extention
[09:55] <kalidar> oh nevermind its a exe aswell :(
[09:55] <kalidar> i duno what to do it says for linux but theirs exes inside wth
[09:56] <Mamarok> I guess you should ask the manufacturer howto install it on Linux, but I guess it's a Windows version and you need to run it with Wine
[10:03] <tom__> help
[10:04] <Mamarok> tom__: help for what?
[10:11] <Mamarok> !help | tom__
[10:11] <kalidar> guys how do i run a executeble for linux
[10:11] <kalidar> what do i type
[10:14] <victim> i usually do .//name
[10:14] <victim> no, ./name
[10:15] <kalidar> thanks
[10:15] <kalidar> i get a symbol lookup error
[10:15] <kalidar> undefined symbol:__glutroot
[10:15] <kalidar> whats that mean?
[10:15] <victim> you only need a single /
[10:15] <kalidar> i did
[10:15] <victim> possibly you have a dependency missing
[10:16] <kalidar> aww man
[10:16] <kalidar> stupid linux lol
[10:16] <kalidar> guess ill have to find that
[10:16] <kalidar> apt-cache search glutroot
[10:16] <kalidar> oops
[10:18] <victim> search for glut??
[10:19] <kalidar> yeah
[10:19] <kalidar> i guess im mising glutroot
[10:19] <kalidar> so i need glut g3 or freeglut3
[10:19] <kalidar> ither way im gona download them all untill i find the one i need to run this damn game
[10:20] <victim> http://icculus.org/lgfaq/
[10:20] <victim> mentions glutroot
[10:20] <kalidar> thx helpfull :)
[10:26] <jonah> hey guys, can anyone please help. i have latest kde installed on intrepid and i want to share my home folder or sub folders with my mac somehow. tried clicking on sharing tab in dolphin and system settings but seems complex and then i don't know how to get it up on the mac. i'd like to open my main computer from macbook to watch video and access work etc, can anyone help me please
[10:34] <jussi01> jonah: do this: sudo apt-get install ssh
[10:34] <jussi01> then use your ftp client to sftp into the linux machine
[10:35] <jonah> jussi01, i would prefer finder access if possible??
[10:35] <jussi01> jonah: yeah, you can do it, I just dont remember how right at this second and Im not near my mac currently. :/
[10:36] <Laruft> sorry for the faq, but how best do I install firefox under jaunty?
[10:37] <jonah> juss01, ok so how do i know what ip my main machine is for my mac to access?
[10:45] <jonah> jussi01, i'm a bit stuck here. i installed ssh as you said but now what do i do? i loaded up filezilla but don't know how to connect to linux
[10:46] <Laruft> jonah to get your ip try this, open a shell ifconfig -v wlan0
[10:47] <Laruft> or ifconfig -v eth0  if using physical ethernet cable
[10:47] <jonah> Laruft: ok done that and got a readout of stuff
[10:47] <Laruft> for me.. i got
[10:47] <Laruft> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:6b:06:09:ac
[10:47] <Laruft>           inet addr:192.168.0.17  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[10:48] <Laruft> so my local ip is 192.168.0.17
[10:48] <Laruft> did u want to know local or external ip?
[10:49] <jonah> Laruft: i don't know! haha i just wanted something so my macbook can connect to my linux box with samba, ssh or anything so i can use files that are stored on main linux box on my mac
[10:49] <Laruft> the external ip, is provided by your isp and will appear in your router configuration page if you are using one
[10:49] <Laruft> are you using router or something? or just machine to machine?
[10:50] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if someone could help me get firestarter working. I've tried to load the program and it won't come up
[10:51] <jonah> Laruft: just home router
[10:52] <jonah> Laruft: i kinda thought it'd be dead easy, i figured if you turned a sharing tick box on somewhere on linxu box it'd just pop up on mac with shared printers etc haha
[10:52] <bdizzle> I can't kill it via process list (ps -A) and it won't start up when I try to load it
[10:55] <Laruft> brb
[10:57] <bdizzle> okay
[10:57] <bdizzle> how do I use firestarter without it killing my internet connection altogether?
[11:05] <kimsoup> -,-
[11:09] <Laruft> i've installed jaunty kubuntu, but amarok and konversation are not there - is it safe just to apt-get them?
[11:12] <bazhang> !jaunty
[11:12] <Guest80263> since today, each video a play has a strong sturation, is like the settings of the codecs has been change, but I did anything.., I
[11:13] <Laruft> thx
[11:13] <Guest80263> I try to remove and reinstall the codecs but doesnt work
[11:13] <Guest80263> any idea?
[11:20] <ScorpKing> Guest80263: use purge instead of remove
[11:20] <ScorpKing> Guest80263: that will remove the settings as well
[11:31] <dr_willis> all system settings.. not per user settings...
[11:32] <bdizzle> hi, for some reason, firestarter keeps freezing on me and won't allow me to engage the firewall
[11:50] <billybigrigger> how do i install themes/styles? from kde-look, i can't seem to drag and drop the .tar.gz like in gnome
[11:50] <billybigrigger> am i missing something here?
[11:58] <tyson_> Hi how do I install firefox with all the gnome stuff and branding?
[12:00] <tyson_> if I download a package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/firefox-3.0-branding with adept or whatever package manager update it?
[12:11] <mgk> you probably want to use a package manager
[12:12] <mgk> so aptget install firefox-3.0-branding
[12:12] <mgk> *apt-get
[12:22] <Glutton_> can anyone help me get sound working in kubuntu?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:03] <Icebunt1> .
[13:29] <makdaknife> hi
[13:30] <makdaknife> has anybody else resolved the problem with lame encoding producing static noise on intrepid?
[13:34] <rocco_> !list
[13:44] <drostie> I have this repetitive error in KDE 4.2 where applications like Kate and Quassel will fill up with gibberish pixels. I've narrowed it down to the preference in K > System Settings > Desktop > Shadows. Is this a known bug, or should I file something at launchpad.net eventually?
[13:50] <yondaime-k3> ciao^^
[13:51] <yondaime-k3> qualcuno può aiutarmi? ò_ò
[13:51] <genii> drostie: File a bug, if it's a duplicate of some other bug already filed then it will be sorted accordingly
[13:51] <genii> !it
[13:52] <yondaime-k3> grazie *_*
[13:55] <organo> hello, will jaunty beta be released today? I'm just looking at the release schedule..
[13:57] <genii> organo: Supposed to be, yes. I imagine they are being asked a lot in #ubuntu+1 when will it get to mirrors, etc etc
[13:58] <pkt> will kubuntu include kprinter from 3.5 ?
[13:58] <pkt> kde4 printing code is still very primitive
[13:59] <organo> okay thanks
[14:06] <vraja> hi
[14:06] <vraja> im new
[14:06] <cinex> hi
[14:07] <vraja> i need help
[14:07] <dr_willis> 'please state the nature of the linux emergancy'
[14:07] <BluesKaj> !ask | vraja
[14:07] <cinex> whats up vraja
[14:09] <vraja> my linux not have  sound
[14:09] <vraja> ok
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !audio
[14:10] <vraja> my  pc
[14:10] <BluesKaj> !alsa
[14:10] <vraja> is not reproduce audio
[14:10] <vraja> is block
[14:11] <BluesKaj> !es | vraja
[14:11] <randesco_> BluesKaj: hey people you do have a good mechanism to answer faq! respect!
[14:11] <BluesKaj> depends what you need to know
[14:12] <dr_willis> !faq
[14:12] <dr_willis> :)
[14:13] <vraja> ok  thank u
[14:13] <vraja> for u help
[14:13] <vraja> see u later
[14:13] <randesco_> vraja : did it help?
[14:13] <vraja> yea
[14:14] <BluesKaj> randesco_ , I think his first laguage is spanish ...he'll express himself and receive help more easily there
[14:14] <BluesKaj> language
[14:36] <bderagon> hey guys
[14:36] <bderagon> got kubuntu installed finally last night, but having some problems now, it won't start
[14:36] <bderagon> I get a white screen
[14:37] <bderagon> so, if I disable my video card, and switch to the onboard, it boots, but into some kind of safe graphics mode
[14:37] <bderagon> wtih no acceleration, everything is so sluggish it hurts
[14:38] <bderagon> and the second I switch back to my video card, boom, white screen
[14:38] <bderagon> how do I fix this?
[14:38] <peterz> might help if you tell what video cards you have there..
[14:38] <bderagon> onboard is an ati x300
[14:38] <bderagon> video card is an hd 4870
[14:39] <peterz> ah, and what kubuntu did you install?
[14:39] <bderagon> the only one I could get to install, 9.04 alpha 4, the jaunty based one
[14:39] <peterz> hmm, that should at least give usable output on both those cards
[14:40] <bderagon> I tried numerous times to get the 8.04 or 8.10 to install, and they wouldn't even install, even on the onboard, with the help of some people last night, I got 9.04 to install
[14:40] <bderagon> that's what I thought too, but it doesn't, :(
[14:41] <peterz> I have a hd2600-pro working with jaunty
[14:41] <peterz> the x200 onboard I have doesn't indeed work with the latest code, already filed a bug with the radeon people about that
[14:43] <bderagon9993> sorry back, kubuntu crashed on me
[14:43] <bderagon9993> on the onboard video right now, and its barely running
[14:44] <peterz> what driver is it using?
[14:44] <gabriel9> Is beta come out?
[14:44] <bderagon9993> not really sure how to tell peterz, konqueror won't load, says unsupported video mode
[14:45] <bderagon9993> I don't know a lot about linux, and without konqueror, I can't look anything up, lol
[14:45] <peterz> bderagon: grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:46] <Zengol> Good morning everyone.
[14:46] <Zengol> Anyone know when the next official release of Kubuntu is?
[14:46] <bderagon9993> ack, ok, lot here, looking for it
[14:46] <xt> this year
[14:47] <stdin> !jaunty | Zengol
[14:49] <Zengol> That's good to know i only have to wait another month.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> splittsville!
[14:50] <ibrar> Any body knows link aggregation
[14:53] <bderagon9993> ok sorry found it
[14:53] <bderagon9993> section device identifier standard vga
[14:53] <bderagon9993> vendorname unknown, boardname unknown
[14:53] <bderagon9993> driver vga
[14:54] <bderagon9993> then under that it says option no_accel, an option no_dri
[14:54] <bderagon9993> thing took forever to scroll :)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> bderagon9993, lspci | grep VGA , to find which graphics card you have
[14:57] <Guest8978> hello people
[14:57] <bderagon9993> vga compatible controller
[14:57] <bderagon9993> ati technologies inc unknown device 94c1
[14:57] <anipy> hi there. on 8.04, i use kmail/kontact with bogosity. for some hours ago now, many emails are flagged with X-Bogosity: Spam, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.999995, version=1.1.5, or similarily high "spamicity" value - but they are all mails i want.  even the real spam is not getting such high scores. any idea?
[14:57] <Guest8978> i have kubuntu os and i want  to chat with kopete
[14:58] <Guest8978> when i typed the greek characters...
[14:58] <xt> a leperchaun appeared?
[14:58] <sqmantc4> ho disabilitato dei servizi su xubuntu come faccio a ripristinarli?
[14:58] <sqmantc4> nello specifivo il servizio di avvio grafico
[14:59] <sqmantc4> specifico
[14:59] <xt> sqmantc4: this is an english channel.
[14:59] <Guest8978> unegorized charactes are shown
[14:59] <Guest8978> why is this happening?
[14:59] <bderagon9993> still here, that was my other nick from when kubuntu crashed
[15:04] <demon> i cant install a shell
[15:04] <demon> sudo sh doesnt work
[15:05] <Pici> demon: Use sudo -i if you need an interactive 'root' shell.
[15:05] <Guest8978> any solution for me?
[15:06] <jeronymo> any solution for me?
[15:06] <demon> thanks pici
[15:07] <jeronymo> i typed in kopete but the message that i send has unrecognized characters
[15:07] <MarkieMark1> !it | sgmantc4
[15:08] <MarkieMark1> !it | sqmantc4
[15:08] <jeronymo> why is this happening?
[15:08]  * MarkieMark1 must get his eyesight checked :) 
[15:17] <volo> hi
[15:18] <genii> !hi
[15:20] <tomsdale> !ot
[15:23] <volo> bye
[15:23] <MarkieMark1> !bye
[15:31] <ico> hello
[15:31] <ico> ko staa
[15:35] <demon> !mount
[15:35] <demon> !DiskMounter
[15:35] <demon> ah
[15:46] <demon> hmm how can i install E
[15:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Perhaps my question is more appropriate here than on #ubuntu: how do I change the aspect of kde applications in ubuntu?
[15:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't like the new solid-metal look in kile
[15:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the ideal thing would be to have the gtk theme there, I tried with qtconfig-qt4 to set gtk+ style but it does not change in kile
[15:47] <genii> demon: What is the name of the app you want to install? "E" doesn't sound right
[15:47] <demon> enlightenment
[15:47] <demon> :)
[15:47] <demon> sorry
[15:48] <genii> demon: You can install it through Add/Remove. To select it as your desktop, choose it as session type during next login
[15:49] <demon> hmm
[15:49] <demon> add/remove? its that simple
[15:49] <demon> no results
[15:49] <genii> !info enlightenment
[15:50] <genii> Hmm, weird. Must have been removed
[15:50] <demon> i am 8.04
[15:50] <genii> demon: Enable universe repositories
[15:50] <genii> !info enlightenment hardy
[15:51] <demon> i have that
[15:51] <demon> but its one 400kb
[15:51] <demon> it cant be that
[15:51] <demon> :D
[15:51] <chronos_> I'm having problems with my intrepid installation. I just enabled my NVIDIA driver, and when I did, I lost my minimize, close, and title bar on all my windows.
[15:51] <genii> demon: Yes, it's that. It pulls in a bunch of other packages, so 400k is deceptive
[15:52] <demon> genii: but its 1000 kb installed size
[15:52] <demon> lemme log off and see :P
[15:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nobody knows how to change kde4 themes?
[15:52] <genii> demon: It's only a window manager
[15:53] <BluesKaj> chronos_ , ctrl+alt+backspace to relogin
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Le-Chuck_ITA , system settings
[15:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> wft is this Systemsettings that all web pages talk about? command-not-found doesn't find it actually :)
[15:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: simultaneous answer and question :)=
[15:56] <BluesKaj> it's in the kmenu
[15:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: I am using gnome, which package contains Systemsettings?
[15:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In kde3 I used to install kcontrol for the purpose
[15:57] <BluesKaj> then goto #ubuntu , this is KDE country , not gnome :)
[15:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: please don't be racist :) This is a kde question
[15:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am a long term gnome user and indeed wouldn't know the answer
[15:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: save your hate for windows!
[15:58] <BluesKaj> but you're asking about kde apps that don't exist on your setup
[15:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: that's clear to me!
[15:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[15:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let's go another way
[15:59] <genii> Le-Chuck_ITA: kcmshell --list might give you some useful modules
[15:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is Systemsettings an executable or just a menu entry?
[15:59] <demon> hmm genii it was just a desktop
[15:59] <demon> :(
[15:59] <demon> nothing like in the screen shots
[15:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> genii:  no modules!
[15:59] <genii> demon: Screenshots usually show a hightly customised desktop
[15:59] <SubCoolEnt> Hey- whats the link to the sources?
[16:00] <demon> genii: whatw as the command to mount a cd
[16:00] <demon> iso
[16:00] <FireyFly> My xserver seems to have crashed :/
[16:00] <genii> demon: usually something like:  sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
[16:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sudo apt-get install systemsettings
[16:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's clear now
[16:01] <FireyFly> Accoring to /var/log/Xorg.0.log the X server has recieved signal 11; any ideas? :/
[16:02] <genii> Le-Chuck_ITA: the package kde-guidance provides whatever modules that kcmshell can know about
[16:02] <SubCoolEnt> i have to update my sources- its been a while
[16:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok I now have systemsettings and it's empty
[16:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> genii: thanks
[16:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> genii: no such package in jaunty
[16:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> was it renamed'
[16:03] <genii> Le-Chuck_ITA: Possibly. Unfortunately I'm still on 3.5.10 Hardy
[16:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> genii: ok thanks
[16:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> didn't expect so many news
[16:04] <genii> Gah. Kubrick looks like it's freaking out again
[16:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> will try ubuntu+1 ... BluesKaj you sure you don't know anything more about this?
[16:04] <genii> Le-Chuck_ITA: #ubuntu+1 is also #kubuntu+1 so hopefully some kde devs may be there
[16:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks genii
[16:06] <SubCoolEnt> wow- there is alot of traffic..
[16:06] <SubCoolEnt> Im sory- can someone PM me the site to update my sources? i have Googled Easy RPM- Ubutnu i cant find it.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> !RPM | SubCoolEnt
[16:10] <SubCoolEnt> ubottu: ops - i ment the one for ubuntu
[16:11] <genii> !repos
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In the end I solved the problem which is... a missing dependency in systemsettings, fixed in jaunty+1
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/289368
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> just for the record
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye and thanks all
[16:14] <ibrar> Can anybody tell me what is the status of equalize parameter in "iproute2" in latest kernel shiped with kbuntu 8.10
[16:17] <SubCoolEnt> Thanks!
[16:21] <mercutio22> Hello, I am using ubuntu and I have problems using accents in KDE apps like kile, is it fixable?
[16:24] <mapzzz> guys.. when is kubuntu jaunty due ?
[16:26] <genii> mapzzz: Ask them in #ubuntu+1
[16:27] <BeholdMyGlory> mapzzz: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Releases 2009-04-23
[16:28] <cinex> anyone know a good place to get splashy themes?
[16:28] <mapzzz> BeholdMyGlory: ok.. thanks
[16:29] <demon> if i update to the newest KDE 4.2 or what ever
[16:29] <demon> i will still have the kernel of 8.04
[16:30] <genii> demon: Yes
[16:30] <JuJuBee> Anybody here use squid?  good with acl's?
[16:32] <genii> JuJuBee: When I set up dansguardian (which uses it) I used this as reference to set up the acls: http://wiki.vpslink.com/HOWTO:_Squid_Proxy_Server
[16:32] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: squid is nice
[16:33] <genii> ScorpKing: Especially in transparent :)
[16:33] <ScorpKing> :)
[16:34] <ibrar> Can I recompile kerenel in kbuntu, I want to change one option in kernel?
[16:34] <ScorpKing> anyone here know why lts.conf would be ignored on a ltsp server? it's the source of this big headache i have today :(
[16:34] <ibrar> and let are existing option intect
[16:34] <ibrar> sed /are/all
[16:34] <JuJuBee> I have squid setup aalready, trying to create some granular acl's and it is not working.  Would you mind taking a look?
[16:34] <ScorpKing> !kernel | ibrar
[16:35] <JuJuBee> http://pastebin.com/m466be259
[16:35] <ibrar> sorry
[16:35]  * ScorpKing takes a look..
[16:35] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: I am trying to let students on specific computers at specific times get to specific sites.
[16:36] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[16:36] <ibrar> ubottu, I want to enable eqaulize option for iproute2
[16:36] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: mainly lines 16-25 and 44-47
[16:36] <ibrar> ubottu: iproute2 man page asked to recompile kernel to use this option
[16:37] <JuJuBee> ibrar: ubottu is a program not a person.
[16:37] <ibrar> ooops
[16:37] <ibrar> ok
[16:37] <JuJuBee> ;)
[16:39] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: heh.. i'll have to read up. i'd take a different angle though. block everything and only allow sites stored in a textfile
[16:39] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: does line 53 negate lines 45-47?
[16:39] <SubCoolEnt> ubottu repositories
[16:41] <SubCoolEnt> Does anyone update their respositories? - How often
[16:41] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: i'm not an expert at squid. just having a look at the notes i made
[16:41] <Dragnslcr> SubCoolEnt- not unless there's something specific to upgrade
[16:41] <marcel> hi
[16:42] <marcel> i have redrawing issues in kde 4.2, there are sometimes white lines left that should be redrawed, is this a common issue?
[16:42] <Dragnslcr> SubCoolEnt- new not-quite-stable versions of KDE are usually in a separate repository for a while
[16:43] <marcel> hello?
[16:43] <SubCoolEnt> Dragnslcr: im trying to find the website that lists all of the respos, and conts
[16:44] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: to allow and block sites i have "acl blocked url_regex -i "/etc/squid/blocked"" & acl allowed url_regex -i "/etc/squid/allowed""
[16:44] <genii> SubCoolEnt: The updating part of the repositories is usually done on the other end, where they are putting newer versions of the apps into the sources which are listed in your repositories on the local machine. So you only need to add a repo if it's from someplace foreign for a specific app or so. For instance wine needs their repos for latest versions, and medibuntu repositories have all the codec stuff. Etc, etc
[16:44] <Dragnslcr> SubCoolEnt- what exactly are you looking for? Just the addresses of the base repositories?
[16:45]  * genii is glad CNR died
[16:46] <demon> ok now i hace kde 4 how can i get
[16:46] <demon> the newest version :)
[16:46] <marcel> demon, do you have kubuntu?
[16:46] <demon> yes
[16:46] <demon> 8.04
[16:47] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: also "http_access allow ournets !blocked" but nothing that negates it like yours
[16:47] <demon> genii: how can i upgrade my kde
[16:49] <SubCoolEnt> genii: right- im trying to find firefox- im installing kubuntu ...
[16:49] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: from what i can gather line 57 must out
[16:50] <Laeborg> !lvm
[16:50] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: there is #squid :D
[16:50] <demon> how can i upgrade my KDE
[16:50] <SubCoolEnt> ubutto firefox repositories
[16:50] <genii> demon: I'm still on 3.5.10 so not an authority on 4.2 upgrades
[16:51] <SubCoolEnt> ubottu firefox repositories
[16:51] <demon> genii: do ya know the command :D
[16:51] <matthew> as a fellow newbie the best way is to go to adept > sources > software sources
[16:51] <genii> demon: As far as I understand you need to add a repo to your sources.list , likely the ppa one
[16:52] <matthew> > updates > tick unsuported updates
[16:53] <genii> SubCoolEnt: Firefox can be installed from regular repositories. Just use add/remove programs and search for it. Or on command line: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[16:53] <matthew> after i did that the packages updated through adept IIRC
[16:54] <demon> genii: hmm that looks like a lot of work
[16:54] <genii> demon: Nothing worth doing is usually easy
[16:54] <matthew> as far as i know, by linux standards, its a breeze
[16:54] <demon> lol
[16:55] <matthew> make sure u have this under your sources: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu
[16:55] <usergr> how can i configure dolphin so I can open folders with double-click?
[16:55] <usergr> i would appreciate any help\
[16:56] <SubCoolEnt> matthew: thanks- i havent kept up with the updates...
[16:56] <usergr>     iuse kde 4.2
[16:56] <SubCoolEnt> its been a while.
[16:57] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: do you manage?
[16:58] <usergr> are you talking to me ScorpKing?
[16:58] <ScorpKing> usergr: only if you are JuJuBee
[16:58] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: Thanks.  have not managed yet.  Im teaching a class...
[16:59] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: why icp_access need to be commented?
[16:59] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: oh ok. join the #squid channel. all the experts are there.
[16:59] <demon> ok can any body tell me how to set my kde 3.5 as default
[16:59] <JuJuBee> I tried there, no takers.
[17:00] <usergr> can anyone help me?
[17:00] <matthew> demon: 4.2 no good then
[17:00] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: i don't understand your question
[17:01] <JuJuBee> Shouldnt line 47 block students from getting to a site I don't want
[17:01] <matthew> usergr: i have no idea, if its not under configure dolphin then i would try google.
[17:01] <matthew> usergr: transfering from windows it still startles me, but i get used to it.
[17:02] <tyson> !hotkeys
[17:03] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: that will deny Student_Net http access. "http deny all" could also do that
[17:03] <usergr> matthew : Ihave already done it once but I do not remember how i did it
[17:03] <matthew> usergr: ive found how
[17:03] <Evilcow187> anybody around that can help me set up the wireless on my laptop?
[17:03] <matthew> usergr: system settings > keyboard and mouse > mouse > midway down.
[17:03] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: or will line 53 re-allow them?  Does it continue checking the other ACL's ?
[17:04] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: Right, I want to only block the 192.168.6.1 - 192.168.6.14 addresses...
[17:04] <usergr> Thank you very much matthew ! have a nice evening
[17:05] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: yes and it continue checking until the end of the file
[17:05] <demon> uf good old 3.5.5
[17:05] <demon> :)
[17:05] <Laeborg> Can I setup RAID-0 in LVM on kubuntu ?
[17:06] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: so I am correct in thinking that line 53  will undo what lines 45-47 does.
[17:06] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: as far as i can see yes
[17:07] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: Thanks.  I am used to router acl's w here first match wins...
[17:09] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: looks like you are right. it stops after the first match
[17:10] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: this is what you are doing now - http://www.usenet-forums.com/squid-users/247506-restrict-access-time-acl-configuration.html
[17:10]  * ScorpKing loves google..
[17:13] <Evilcow187> Or a better question is why can't I get wlan0 to be enabled
[17:14] <ScorpKing> !wireless
[17:15] <JuJuBee> ScorpKing: Thanks.  But is seems that if it did stop after first match, then if it was not an allowed  site then line 47 should block access.
[17:16] <ScorpKing> JuJuBee: hope you get it sorted
[17:17] <JuJuBee> Thanks.  I will I'm sure.... eventually.
[17:18] <BOZG> Anyone know where the settings for Firestarter are kept?
[17:20] <demon> where can i choose for compiz and not kde effects
[17:22] <genii> demon: ccsm (compizconfig-settings-manager)
[17:22] <genii> You may need to install it
[17:24] <BOZG> demon:  You will still need to swap Window manager.
[17:24] <ubuntul> hj
[17:25] <BOZG> demon: System Settings->Default Applications->Window Manager
[17:27] <ubuntul> does anyone use skype?
[17:27] <demon> me me me
[17:28] <demon> BOZG: aaaaaaaaaaaaa 3.5.10
[17:28] <ubuntul> hi demon
[17:28] <demon> hi ubuntul
[17:29] <ubuntul> call me "mr-ubuntu"
[17:29] <genii> demon: then: alt-f2           compiz --replace
[17:29] <demon> O.O
[17:30] <demon> genii: yes only for this sesson
[17:30] <genii> demon: If you have session saving on it will also load up compiz next time
[17:30] <demon> how can i be sure that i have session saving
[17:31] <demon> :P
[17:31] <genii> demon System Settings..Advanced.. Sessions Manager
[17:32] <genii> make sure in On Login section has "Restore previous session" selected
[17:32] <demon> yeap done
[17:32] <demon> :D
[17:32] <demon> merci
[17:32] <demon> btw
[17:32] <demon> 3.5.10 ruzl
[17:32] <demon> :D
[17:32] <demon> who wants 4.2.1
[17:32] <demon> or smt like that
[17:32] <Pici> !enter
[17:35] <demon> genii:  so i can restart now
[17:35] <demon> and change to start with and empty session
[17:36] <genii> demon: You can probably restart if you've set stuff up how you want it now, if you want to test that it comes back the same way
[17:37] <demon> genii: i dotn like ti
[17:37] <demon> cuz when i shut down my pc
[17:37] <demon> and then turn on
[17:37] <demon> all the programs that were running the last time will start again
[17:37] <demon> and its smt like 10 programs
[17:38] <demon> in the same time and makes my pc boot slower
[17:38] <genii> demon: Well, thats the idea of having it save your session
[17:38] <demon> lol
[17:39] <genii> (so all the apps re-open to where you were working in them previously)
[17:39] <demon> don remember
[17:39] <demon> :D
[17:39] <demon> only the browsers i think
[17:40] <genii> demon: If you want compiz to load up but for kde not to save all your other program open settings, make it autorun then instead.
[17:41] <genii> !startup
[17:41] <genii> demon: The ~/.kde/Autostart   way the bot describes above
[17:42] <demon> genii: nope compiz --replace
[17:43] <demon> doesnt work for me too
[17:43] <demon> damn i was so sure that it will be good but still i have some gleaches
[17:43] <demon> and smt like that maybe i need a better emerald
[17:43] <demon> and it will fix it
[17:43] <genii> emerald is only a decorator for compiz
[17:44] <demon> emerald theme
[17:44] <genii> !info emerald hardy
[17:47] <ubuntul> call me ewa "mr-ubuntu" (skype)
[17:48] <ubuntul> compiz is are future.
[17:50] <ubuntul> kde sorted governor.
[17:59] <demon> !xfce
[18:14] <Alucard> someone can help me with a problem with my soundcard?
[18:15] <Alucard> anyone?
[18:22] <Alucard> necesito ayuda con mi tarjeta de sonido (i need help with my soundcard)
[18:22] <Alucard> alguien me puede ayudar? (someone can help me?)
[18:22] <fosco__> Alucard, en este canal se habla inglés
[18:22] <Alucard> ok, no problem
[18:22] <fosco__> :)
[18:23] <fosco__> !sound
[18:23] <Alucard> just i need help with my soundcard... i dunno how to fix it :S
[18:26] <Alucard> oh, my problem is, i have a ICE 1724 soundcard, 5.1 channels
[18:27] <Alucard> but when i started my system, sometimes just i can hear sound in left , later, i restarted many times and its fix the problem
[18:28] <Alucard> it is normal? :S
[18:28] <Alucard> in window$ i never have that problem :S ... and i dont want to back to windows
[18:58] <ubuntu__> alguien habla español¿?
[18:59] <jarod_> i am doing this so konversation will stop coming up
[19:03] <PaperTiger> Quick question, if I restart during the format part of the install process, does that ruin the hard drive
[19:05] <volodymyr> assume it does
[19:05] <PaperTiger> You think so?
[19:05] <Tm_T> PaperTiger: means you have to format it again
[19:06] <lepricon> Tm_T:I agree
[19:06] <PaperTiger> Okay. Well, I tried that using the guided, use whole disk and it started where it finished
[19:06] <PaperTiger> But didn't move... :S
[19:07] <lepricon> strange
[19:07] <lepricon> maybe you
[19:07] <Tm_T> no I didn't
[19:07] <PaperTiger> hmm
[19:07] <PaperTiger> I'll try manual and see what it does then, and delete all partitions made
[19:07] <lepricon> maybe you've selected deep format this time?
[19:07] <PaperTiger> Cheers guys
[19:07] <PaperTiger> No... Just selected guided.
[19:08] <PaperTiger> I gotta go for food, I'll be back in a bit
[19:10] <dwidmann> grrrrrrrrr, this is getting frustrating ... I think that's the 12th time I've crashed KMail in the last five minutes
[19:11] <lepricon> KDE4 ?
[19:12] <dwidmann> but of course
[19:12] <lepricon> I used to revert to 3.5.8 because of KMail
[19:13] <Evilcow187> !fwcutter
[19:13] <dwidmann> maybe I'll have more like with KDE 4.2.1
[19:14] <Evilcow187> Anybody with a bcm43xx wireless nic?
[19:14] <lepricon> hope so :)
[19:15] <dwidmann> s/like/luck
[19:17] <kalidar> hey guys
[19:17] <kalidar> i dunno what i would do without this irc room geez
[19:17] <kalidar> sould someone pls help me with a small problem?
[19:18] <cinex> kalidar: ?
[19:18] <kalidar> i uninstalled wine and reinstaled it cuz i realized i pretymuch have to have it lol
[19:18] <kalidar> and im trying to run a keygen.exe
[19:18] <Tm_T> !o4o
[19:18] <Pici> !piracy
[19:18] <kalidar> prety simple file but alll i get is a wine in my taskbar and nothing happens
[19:19] <kalidar> lol oops im sorry
[19:19] <kalidar> im trying to run a exe and wine dosent work
[19:19] <kalidar> any ideas?
[19:20] <stdin> try asking in #winehq
[19:20] <kalidar> thx
[19:23] <cinex> mt computer is randomly restarting: how do you check if it is the power supply?
[19:24] <CzarAlex> I have dual monitors. When I boot the latest stable kubuntu LiveCD, everything appears okay until the desktop loads. On both screens I have a black background, no icons of any sort and all I can do is move the mouse around. This is mirrored on both monitors. If i unplug one monitor from the video card (keeping power off isnt  enough) and restart, everything is great on the remaining monitor. Suggestions?
[19:24] <cinex> CzarAlex: nvidia ?
[19:24] <CzarAlex> yews
[19:24] <CzarAlex> Yes too
[19:25] <victim> cinex: I don't know how to help you, but there various logs to check to see of it is an OS fault first
[19:25] <cinex> erm. do u want the moniters to be next to each other?
[19:25] <cinex> victim: the logs dont even see it go down
[19:25] <victim> cinex: does the pc just switch off?
[19:25] <cinex> restarts victim
[19:26] <cinex> no sign of it overheating either
[19:26] <CzarAlex> cinex, ideally, yes. but for now, i`ll settle with just getting it to load without having to unplug a monitor from the video card.
[19:26] <cinex> CzarAlex: have you messed with the settings in the Nvidia X Server settings?
[19:26] <victim> cinex: is the power lead firmly attached ;)
[19:26] <cinex> nvidia-settings
[19:26] <cinex> lol victim yes
[19:26] <CzarAlex> cinex, can I do that with the liveCD? I haven't installed yet and don't want to if this is going to give me grief.
[19:27] <cinex> livecd?
[19:27] <cinex> did u install the nvidia drivers?
[19:27] <CzarAlex> I haven't installed the OS yet. Im trying it out on the LiveCD and its giving me grief.
[19:27] <cinex> yeah but CzarAlex you can't utilize the nvidia graphics card without installing it.
[19:28] <cinex> hold on
[19:28] <cinex> kmenu > system > hardware drivers
[19:28] <cinex> open that and see if there is a nvidia driver to 'activate'
[19:28] <CzarAlex> I`ll check that out. Thanks/
[19:29] <genii> CzarAlex: You can install things onto the livecd version to see if they work before you install the entire OS
[19:29] <cinex> then you can set up the duel display with the nvidia-settings command
[19:29] <CzarAlex> genii, Gotcha. Thanks.
[19:32] <cinex> my monitor cuts the bottom of the screen of with kubuntu :/ (and probably everything else)
[19:32] <cinex> the monitor is plugged into my laptop
[19:32] <cinex> its naff
[20:01] <Jason_CO> if an item in cron produces an error when it runs -- where would i find that error message?
[20:04] <PaperTiger> What is the swap area for?
[20:04] <ubuntu__> !de
[20:04] <stdin> Jason_CO: probably /var/log/syslog
[20:04] <Jason_CO> stdin: thank you
[20:04] <stdin> PaperTiger: do you know what a "page file" (windows term) is?
[20:04] <PaperTiger> Not really, stdin
[20:05] <stdin> PaperTiger: well it's similar to that, it's basically an area of the hard drive that can be used as extra memory in case you run out of RAM
[20:05] <PaperTiger> Ah, okay
[20:06] <PaperTiger> Thanks, stdin
[20:07] <stdin> no problem :)
[20:08] <PaperTiger> lepricon, still there?
[20:09] <PaperTiger> stdin, don't suppose you'd happen to know why my format for install stalled at % do you?
[20:09] <PaperTiger> I tried to install it before, but realised I forgot to turn RAID off, so I had to restart in the middle of it
[20:09] <PaperTiger> Now, it won't go past % for the format part of the install process.
[20:10] <PaperTiger> Btw, all the %'s are 5
[20:12] <PaperTiger> And it won't go past 5% now
[20:12] <stdin> have a look if there's anything in the system log (/var/log/syslog)
[20:12] <PaperTiger> Running on LiveCD. Will that still work?
[20:12] <stdin> yeah, it should still work
[20:12] <PaperTiger> No syslog file
[20:12] <PaperTiger> Wait, never mind
[20:12] <PaperTiger> I see it
[20:13] <PaperTiger> What am I looking for? :S
[20:14] <stdin> something that looks line an error
[20:14] <PaperTiger> Oh, it just jumped to 15%
[20:14] <PaperTiger> It's going up now
[20:14] <PaperTiger> Could it be because of the large capacity of it...? 750 GB XD
[20:14] <stdin> 750? yeah, that'll take a while ;)
[20:15] <PaperTiger> Thought it might be that, but wasn't sure, because of what happened before.
[20:15] <PaperTiger> Thanks for the help :)
[20:15] <PaperTiger> I love these channels, #kubuntu and #ubuntu
[20:15] <PaperTiger> Always someone willing to help
[20:15] <stdin> sure :)
[20:15] <PaperTiger> You running a dual boot system? Or just Linux?
[20:16] <stdin> dual boot, but only Linux
[20:16] <stdin> ie: more than one distro
[20:16] <stdin> but mostly Kubuntu
[20:16] <PaperTiger> Fair enough. =]
[20:16] <PaperTiger> I'm going for a full Linux install.
[20:17] <PaperTiger> Kubuntu as KDE 4.1 is nice and shiny :)
[20:17] <bipolar> PaperTiger: 4.2 is much better :)
[20:18] <PaperTiger> The install disk I have is 4.1, but I can upgrade to 4.2 once installed, I'm guessing.
[20:18] <stdin> yeah, the instructions are in the topic
[20:19] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[20:19] <PaperTiger> :) I'l remember to search that after. I just want to get back online. Been off for about 5 days now...
[20:19] <PaperTiger> hmm... Numpad off = numpad keys work, numpad on = numpad keys don't work... :S
[20:20] <PaperTiger> Right, while I'm waiting for the format, I should be doing Economics, Business and Law work...
[20:20] <PaperTiger> One last question. Why do you run Linux instead of Windows?
[20:20] <wasutton3> does anyone know how to pass commands to linux from irkick
[20:21] <stdin> PaperTiger: because I think Linux is better quality, both in the core OS and applications
[20:22] <mapzzzz> PaperTiger: so that my wife doesnt have to worry about pests like the Conficker worm
[20:23] <PaperTiger> stdin: Fair enough. I decided to try it and stuck with it because I liked the reliability and speed of the OS. After about 3 days of unsucessful attempts at getting Windows to recognize a RAID array, which Linux didn't do either in all fairness, but still, I thought I'd go for a full Linux OS
[20:23] <PaperTiger> Full Linux system
[20:24] <PaperTiger> mapzzzz: Also another good thing, no viruses!
[20:32] <|PaperTiger|> INSTALLED!
[20:32] <|PaperTiger|> WHOOP!
[21:02] <kalidar> hey guys im currentley downloading enemy terratory for linux
[21:02] <kalidar> and its a .run file
[21:02] <kalidar> will that auto install or is their something i need to do to make it work
[21:03] <kalidar> or should i just cancel download rite now
[21:11] <slow-motion> hi
[21:17] <joko> hello
[21:19] <Dragnslcr> kalidar- not sure if you can run it from Dolphin. You might need to open up Konsole and run it from there
[21:22] <mjrclark> it sounds like a normal script/program that needs to be run, ie made executable (right click, permissions or in konsole chmod +x enemy_territory.run) and run (click, or in konsole change to directory then ./enemy_terriroty.run)
[21:23] <p-f> My wifi led keeps flashing whenever there is traffic on my internet interface. Needless to say, this is bloody annoying. Fortunately, doing echo "none" > /sys/class/leds/*/trigger fixes it. The problem is this does not persist through hibernation/suspendtoram/reboots. How can I make it so?
[21:23] <p-f> using /etc/rc.local doesn't seem to work
[21:24] <p-f> Also, is there a way to get a history of installed/upgraded packages? I have _not_ been using synaptic, so its history is empty.
[21:27] <mjrclark> not sure if it is what you want, dpkg --list gives all installed packages, versions and some info.
[21:29] <p-f> mjrclark: unfortunately, this only gives the currently installed version
[21:30] <p-f> basically I want an undo button for an update that went awry
[21:30] <|PaperTiger|> Is there a way to have the window icons in the task bar on the relevant desktop and not on all desktops?
[21:34] <|PaperTiger|> Is there a way to have the window icons in the task bar on the relevant desktop and not on all desktops?
[21:37] <mjrclark> p-f: there is a log at /var/log/apt/term.log (root owner) so you could open and search/grep that but I do not know its extent
[21:39] <Dragnslcr> |PaperTiger|- what version of KDE?
[21:40] <p-f> mjrclark: hm, I guess that will do, thanks!
[21:41] <vital> How do I change pulseaudio output-device to my usb-headset instead of my standard output?
[21:50] <kalidar> !imagebin
[21:51] <kalidar> http://imagebin.org/43176 can someone help me with that problem <------------------
[21:51] <kalidar> please please!
[21:52] <kalidar> anyone got any ideas ?
[21:53] <phoenixz> Is the beta for kubuntu 9.04 already available?
[21:57] <phoenixz> Orrrr... is there a repo available for Kubuntu 9.04 alpha maybe?
[21:58] <phoenixz> kalidar: looks like a wine problem...
[21:58] <phoenixz> kalidar: I'd try the #wine channel for better results
[22:02] <mjrclark> pheonixz: apparently the daily image is likely to be the beta http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ , the repo is fine
[22:03] <gorgonzola> hello fellas! i have a probably sdilly question: i want to upgrade to jaunty, but i have added a few extra repos from kubuntu.org to get newer goodies... should i do something before upgrading, or will the upgrader take care of it all by removing/updating the sources.list entries?
[22:03] <Zengol> Could someone tell me the command line for the complete JACK audio setup?
[22:05] <|PaperTiger|> Dragnslcr: 4.1
[22:05] <|PaperTiger|> Dragnslcr: went AFK, sorry
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> |PaperTiger|- you can try right-clicking the taskbar and go to the settings. There might be an option there for only showing items for the current desktop
[22:08] <Dragnslcr> I'm on 4.2 here, so I'm not sure exactly where it'll be for 4.1
[22:08] <|PaperTiger|> Dragnslcr, okay. Thanks
[22:11] <|PaperTiger|> Dragnslcr, how do you upgrade to 4.2?
[22:11] <|PaperTiger|> And is there a major difference?
[22:23] <mjrclark> 4.1 is in 8.10 kubuntu, 4.2 9.04 (jaunty), beta available tommorow, whilst the large some differences may be down to the kubuntu changes, it is definately a lot more useable.
[22:23] <Dragnslcr> |PaperTiger|- http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[22:24] <|PaperTiger|> Dragnslcr, thanks
[22:24] <mefisto__> just upgraded to new kernel in hardy, and I have no sound. anyone else with this problem?
[22:27] <|PaperTiger|> That's gonna be fun to try do...
[22:27] <ActionParsnip3> mefisto__: you will need to compile the driver or install the driver for the new kernel
[22:29] <tekdahoro> Is chat dead?
[22:29] <slow-motion> n8
[22:29] <tekdahoro> I have a few questions if someone would like to help.
[22:30] <tekdahoro> Yes, no?
[22:33] <phoenixz> Anybody here who might know where I could find repos to upgrade kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04?
[22:34] <phoenixz> 9.04 alpha, ofcourse.. and yes, I know what I am doing
[22:42] <phoenixz> !jaunty
[22:43] <kalidar> guys i need help how do i perminantly set                   metacity --replace??
[22:43] <kalidar> because i sick of typeing that everytime i load system and have to replace all my widgets and stuff after
[22:43] <Laeborg> Do i need to mount things in kubuntu or does it auto mount?
[22:43] <phoenixz> kalidar: what do you mean with permanently?
[22:43] <kalidar> wel everytime i relog i have to reype metacity --replace inorder to play games
[22:43] <kalidar> and that messes up my widgets
[22:43] <kalidar> and then i gota unlock and put my widgets back
[22:43] <kalidar> every time
[22:44] <phoenixz> kalidar: ah, so it loads by default..  but metacity is gnome, isnt it?
[22:44] <kalidar> i dont think metacity is for kde do you know of a window manager for kde that will set perminantly
[22:44] <kalidar> yeah it is
[22:44] <kalidar> gnome what is the version for kde
[22:44] <kalidar> that would explain why its not default lol
[22:44] <kalidar> i also have compiz
[22:44] <kalidar> but i should probs apt-get remove metacity
[22:45] <kalidar> ill try apt-cache search windowmanager kde then?
[22:46] <donald7> hello?
[22:46] <donald7> i need help
[22:47] <kalidar> i need help too i need to know what the windowmanger equiv to metacity is for kde
[22:47] <kalidar> so i can aptget it
[22:48] <donald7> im trying to instal kubuntu on my macbook but i dont now how
[22:48] <kalidar> thats cuz mac blowz lol
[22:48] <kalidar> naw jk just put the disk in the drive
[22:48] <donald7> i did
[22:48] <kalidar> and change your bios settings if mac has bios
[22:48] <kalidar> change them to load cd first and not hdr
[22:48] <donald7> i did that
[22:48] <kalidar> hmm dunno what to tell ya what cd you have
[22:49] <kalidar> is it a live dc
[22:49] <kalidar> cd
[22:49] <kalidar> or a install disk
[22:49] <donald7> i downloaded it and then i burnt it
[22:49] <kalidar> what os did you download
[22:49] <donald7> but i decided to request one that will be here in about 4 weeks but i cant wait that long
[22:49] <donald7> kubuntu 8.10
[22:49] <kalidar> aww allright well
[22:49] <kalidar> im not sure i hate mac
[22:49] <idespinner> what happened after you put the cd in? did it boot ?
[22:50] <kalidar> if you had a pc :)
[22:50] <donald7> is there anyone on here that can help me that isnt biased?
[22:50] <kalidar> anyone know the equivilent to metacity windowmanger for kde?
[22:51] <kalidar> lol if its set to load from cd first it should work unless the cd you burnned wasent closesessioned
[22:51] <kike> y
[22:51] <idespinner> donald, what happened after you put the cd in? did it boot ?
[22:51] <kalidar> did you finish burning it properly and was it a iso or a bin.que
[22:51] <donald7> well i used the instructions on the website and it said aobut using rEFIt which i used but it just doesnt read teh disk
[22:52] <donald7> it was iso
[22:52] <kalidar> did it boot from the cd like ide asked?
[22:53] <kalidar> does anyone know what the equivelent version of metacity windowmanger is for kde?
[22:53] <donald7> i dont think so
[22:53] <kalidar> without it i cant play fullscreen game
[22:54] <kalidar> and metacity is for gnome
[22:54] <idespinner> i always thought KDE was a window manager....
[22:54] <kalidar> yeah but i cant fullscren play without metacity
[22:54] <kalidar> and metacity is gnome
[22:54] <kalidar> and i cant make it my defualt manager
[22:55] <kalidar> airgo i gota metacity --replace everytime i login
[22:55] <mefisto__> can't play fullscreen games in kde? why not?
[22:55] <kalidar> not sure
[22:55] <kalidar> works when i use metacity --replace tho
[22:55] <kalidar> i just hate doing it all the time theirs gota be a equiv for kde
[22:56] <mefisto__> kalidar: you could put it in autostart I suppose, though you shouldn't need to
[22:56] <kalidar> how i do that mefisto
[22:56] <mefisto__> kalidar: systemsettings > advanced tab > autostart
[22:57] <kalidar> ich that sucks cuz when i replace metacity i allways haveto refix my widget placmeent etc :(
[22:57] <kalidar> so basicaly i wont have to type when i log in but im still gona havet o rearange my desktop eh :(
[22:57] <kalidar> i dont think thats the solution im looking for :(
[22:57] <kalidar> u sure their isent any other window managers for kde aside from the one its on
[22:59] <mefisto__> kalidar: what's the game that won't go fullscreen?
[22:59] <kalidar> all games work but fullscreen games just show messed up colors
[22:59] <kalidar> aramegetron and snowballs for example
[23:00] <kalidar> thnk you can help mefisto?
[23:00] <kalidar> theirs gota be a way to fix this :(
[23:02] <mefisto__> kalidar: just installed snowballz and it starts up in fullscreen. everything looks fine here
[23:03] <mefisto__> kalidar: what video card?
[23:03] <kalidar> not sure
[23:03] <kalidar> how i find out without doing much lol
[23:04] <mefisto__> lshw -C display
[23:04] <Blitzz|Kubuntu> kalidar: kwin?
[23:04] <kalidar> shold run as super user
[23:04] <kalidar> i have this tho
[23:04] <kalidar> !pastebin
[23:05] <kalidar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138587/
[23:06] <kalidar> does that help budz?
[23:06] <idespinner> kalidar, does that command show what driver KDE is activley using?
[23:06] <idespinner> err driver X11 is using...
[23:06] <idespinner> or just hardware
[23:07] <kalidar> not sure
[23:07] <kalidar> i just did what i was told to lol
[23:07] <idespinner> err sorry, do u know mefisto__?
[23:08] <mefisto__> it's intel 943/940GML
[23:09] <mefisto__> no it doesn't list the driver
[23:09] <kalidar> aww
[23:09] <kalidar> what information do you need master instruct me and i shall do :)
[23:09] <kalidar> tell me how to get it and ill snapshot it
[23:10] <idespinner> how would one go about finding the activer driver X11/KDE is using?
[23:11] <mefisto__> kalidar: does fullscreen video work ok?
[23:11] <kalidar> yes
[23:11] <kalidar> fullscreen video works
[23:12] <kalidar> just fullscreen games wont work and metacity --replace works
[23:12] <kalidar> to fix it
[23:13] <mefisto__> kalidar: maybe a workaround would be to create a script for each game that starts metacity, then starts the game, then switches back to kwin when you exit
[23:13] <kalidar> nooooooooooo!! everytime i metacity --replace it skrews up all my widgets lol
[23:13] <kalidar> and i have alot of widgets
[23:13] <kalidar> if everytime i load a game it breaks my desktop ima get mad lol
[23:13] <mefisto__> kalidar: and what if you switch back to kwin? do widgets go back to normal?
[23:13] <kalidar> u sure theirs no other way ??
[23:14] <kalidar> i havent tryed! how do i do that
[23:14] <kalidar> kwin --replace?
[23:14] <mefisto__> kalidar: exactly
[23:14] <kalidar> hold on
[23:14] <kalidar> hmm weird
[23:14] <kalidar> nothing happend my shell froze
[23:15] <kalidar> and is now not doing anything just said disabling the gtk-qt theme engine for "metacity"
[23:15] <kalidar> ok ill try just adding it into my startup
[23:15] <kalidar> how do i do that again mefisto
[23:17] <mefisto__> add metacity --replace to systemsettings > advanced tab > autostart (that will do it after login)
[23:18] <kalidar> thanks buds apreciated :)
[23:19] <mefisto__> kalidar: just googled and found there is a bug with your intel video driver. try disabling desktop effects and then try a game
[23:20] <idespinner> mefisto__: Link?
[23:20] <idespinner> I have the intel GMA video card
[23:20] <mefisto__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/282010
[23:20] <kalidar> ok i have metacity --replace as a pre-kdestartup
[23:20] <kalidar> is that ok?
[23:20] <kalidar> and its a script
[23:20] <kalidar> sound good to you?
[23:21] <kalidar> testable?
[23:22] <mefisto__> kalidar: don't know if that will work pre-login. I think when you login it will just start kwin
[23:22] <mefisto__> kalidar: but give it a try
[23:22] <mefisto__> kalidar: are you using kwin now?
[23:22] <kalidar> ok thanks buds im gona log in and log out rite now
[23:22] <kalidar> no im using metacity
[23:23] <mefisto__> kalidar: you should also try a game with desktop effects off
[23:23] <kalidar> no never lol
[23:23] <kalidar> must have full effects
[23:23] <kalidar> or i cant play the games are like atari graphics anyway
[23:23] <kalidar> they need all they eye candy they can get lol
[23:23] <kalidar> now that i got this problem solved now beguins the great epic of getting WindSlayer to work with wine!
[23:24] <mefisto__> kalidar: desktop effects aren't going to do anything in a fullscreen game though. right?
[23:24] <kalidar> that should only take me a fiew days of constant winehq enquireys
[23:24] <kalidar> yeah but i like my desktop effects :(
[23:24] <mefisto__> kalidar: you could just disable it before starting a game
[23:24] <kalidar> wana see a screenshot?
[23:24] <kalidar> yeah thats true
[23:25] <kalidar> but i like to be able to let other people use the computer and not have to do anything technal to play games yaknow?
[23:25] <kalidar> whats the command just outa curiocity
[23:25] <kalidar> ill give it a testrun
[23:27] <kalidar> anywah thanks buds
[23:27] <kalidar> l8tr
[23:27] <mefisto__> kalidar: to disable desktop effects?
[23:30] <mefisto__> idespinner: you have any trouble with fullscreen games?
[23:31] <idespinner> not sure, havent tried any yet. I can test of course
[23:31] <idespinner> im running the latest kubuntu beta and am not even sure the proper GMA drivers are loaded
[23:32] <mefisto__> idespinner: you mean jaunty?
[23:32] <idespinner> yea, 8.04
[23:32] <mefisto__> 9.04 ?
[23:33] <idespinner> sorry
[23:33] <idespinner> yes, 9.04
[23:33] <mefisto__> ok
[23:33] <idespinner> my xorg.conf only lists generics
[23:33] <idespinner> could be that I just dont understand xorg.conf fully
[23:34] <mefisto__> xorg.conf isn't what it used to be. X normally autoconfigures now, so xorg.conf is useful for overriding that autoconfiguration
[23:35] <idespinner> where do I look to see what driver xorg is *really* using?
[23:35] <mefisto__> idespinner: not sure, trying to figure that out. anyone else know?
[23:36] <idespinner> ive been looking aswell for a bit...
[23:36] <mefisto__> idespinner: if I do lshw -C display it shows my driver, but I have ati graphics
[23:36] <kalidar> ls
[23:36] <kalidar> hey script dosent work :(
[23:36] <kalidar> help?
[23:37] <idespinner> I think lshw only does hardware devices from the man page, but I could be wrong
[23:37] <kalidar> tryed to autostart script for metacity --replace
[23:37] <idespinner> lsmod shows the right driver... but once again, im not certain xorg is really using that module...
[23:38] <kalidar> but it dosent work
[23:38] <kalidar> could someone tell me how im suposed to do it
[23:39] <mefisto__> kalidar: try adding it as a program so it starts after login, or switch that script to start after login
[23:40] <mefisto__> idespinner: if it's shown in lsmod, I'm pretty sure it means that module is loaded
[23:44] <mefisto__> kalidar: so you have kwin running now?
[23:47] <mefisto__> kalidar: instead of a script, try adding metacity --replace as a program in autostart, or change what you have now to "startup" instead of "pre-KDE startup"