[00:14] <magcius> Is it possible to move projects from my junk branch to a new project?
[00:14] <magcius> errr... move code
[00:27] <spm> magcius: generally you'd just push again - well leastways, that's what I did when first experimenting
[00:56] <mrooney> magcius: yeah just push it to the new place you want it, and then delete the old branch
[00:56] <magcius> mrooney, oh, thanks.
[00:57] <magcius> mrooney, I'm sucked into thinking that that would remove all the source history.
[00:57] <magcius> DVCS is really awesome.
[00:57] <mrooney> indeed :)
[01:06] <ripps> maxb: The maintainer has updated the autogen.sh for the plugins, so any intltool erros should be fixed, but I still can't figure out why intrepid won't work. I've been told that it builds perfectly manually, but when in a build environment, automake freezes goes to 100% cpu and starts consuming large amounts of memory.
[03:26] <maxb> ripps: interesting.... does it do it in anywhere other than the PPA?
[04:23] <bedo_geek> hi, i am a student and i was doing a software engineering project and i wanted to register the project on launchpad but it may not be open source
[06:00]  * wgrant points out that staging is still prehistoric.
[10:04] <qball> hi all. I am having a problem with building packages with ppa (and pbuilder) ..   amd64 and lpia builds fail, they hang on automake...   I tried pbuilder and coudl reproduce, it hangs on  "automake --gnu -f --add-missing" it uses 100% cpu and 34% memory (that is 2.7 gig!)
[10:05] <qball> is this a known issue?
[10:06] <qball> aah ripps asked before
[10:06] <bigjools> qball: you reproduced it?
[10:12] <qball> bigjools: yes
[10:13] <bigjools> qball: so it's probably not a PPA builder problem I guess
[10:13] <qball> hmmm on normal intrepid it works fine, only fails with pbuilder
[10:13] <bigjools> :/
[10:13] <qball> it is probly an autocrap bug
[10:13] <bigjools> yeah maybe
[10:14] <qball>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[10:14] <qball>  5634 1234      20   0 2827m 2.7g 1924 R  100 34.9   5:22.90 automake
[10:14] <qball> that is not normal.
[10:14] <bigjools> no kidding :)
[10:14] <qball> no program, even on corrupt input, should do that
[11:47] <ilia> is rockstar here?
[11:49] <ilia> any launchpad admin online?
[12:22] <maxb> qball: If you can reproduce it, definitely file a bug on automake with your reproduction recipe
[12:28] <Monpy> hey all!
[12:29] <Monpy> I'm a python programmer and want to search in launchpad for projects are writen in python. how can i do that?
[12:31] <intellectronica> Monpy: you can use launchpadlib
[12:31] <intellectronica> http://launchpad.net/launchpadlib
[12:31] <intellectronica> https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[12:32] <intellectronica> http://launchpad.net/+apidoc
[12:35] <thekorn> intellectronica, correct me if I'm wrong, but searching for the ` Languages: Python  ` bit is still impossible via the API
[12:35] <thekorn> and I think this is what Monpy would like to do
[12:36] <intellectronica> thekorn, Monpy: sorry, i wasn't reading carefully. i parsed that as "search using python" somehow
[12:36] <thekorn> yes, too much "python" in one sentence ;)
[12:38] <Monpy> yeah, over 29000 hits :-p
[12:38] <Monpy> mh, strange :-)
[12:42] <wgrant> Why can I not see the interleaved activity log bits on edge?
[12:44] <intellectronica> wgrant: i think they landed on our db branch, which only gets released to production
[12:44] <wgrant> intellectronica: And staging, which hasn't updated in more than a week...
[12:44] <wgrant> Hmm.
[12:45] <intellectronica> wgrant: don't even get me started about staging...
[12:45] <wgrant> The reivison numbers look they are part of the same series, thouguh.
[14:58] <ilia> charlie-tca: thanks
[15:00] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:01] <ilia> charlie-tca: it looks like lots of people are here again, I'll to talk to rockstar
[15:01] <ilia> rockstar: are you here?
[15:01] <rockstar> ilia, hi
[15:01] <ilia> hi
[15:01] <ilia> I've talked with you a week ago
[15:02] <ilia> do you remember?
[15:02] <ilia> it's regarding short name on launchpad
[15:02] <rockstar> ilia, unfortunately, I do not remember.
[15:02] <ilia> so, I'll repeat
[15:02] <rockstar> ilia, you'll have to refresh my memory.
[15:03] <ilia> I wanted some "better" short name on launchpad
[15:03] <ilia> however it's in use by other user
[15:03] <rockstar> ilia, ah yes, you wanted something like XXX
[15:03] <ilia> yes
[15:03] <ilia> I described it in terms of YYY and XXX
[15:03] <ilia> so you actually remember
[15:04] <rockstar> ilia, yes, I remember now.
[15:04] <ilia> well, you've suggested to write to this guy
[15:04] <ilia> I did this and got no reply till now
[15:04] <ilia> and his account has zero activity
[15:04] <ilia> so, can you help me with the issue?
[15:07] <ilia> rockstar?
[15:08] <rockstar> ilia, what you'll need to do is ask a question in the Launchpad project about getting the username reassigned.
[15:08] <rockstar> ilia, I'm not a Launchpad admin, so I actually can't make that change for you (a very small subset of people can).
[15:09] <ilia> rockstar: fine, I'm going to do it. Thank you for the help!
[15:09] <rockstar> ilia, no problem.
[15:09]  * rockstar wonders who CHR is today...
[15:11] <rockstar> cprov, are you CHR today?
[15:13] <cprov> rockstar: apparently, I am.
[15:18] <radix> hey speaking of help
[15:18] <radix> can someone tell me why https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/peppy/trunk is failing to import?
[15:18] <cprov> radix: sure, I will check.
[15:19] <radix> it's strange because the "error" is that it got a 200 OK
[15:19] <radix> thanks cprov
[15:20] <radix> and getting the URL it's failing on is working fine for me: http://svn.flipturn.org/peppy/!svn/bc/1820/trunk/peppy/stcinterface.py
[15:27] <rockstar> radix, hi
[15:27] <cprov> radix: yes, it does, the file exists and pysvn is somehow unhappy about it.
[15:27] <radix> hi rockstar
[15:27] <rockstar> radix, pysvn sucks.  :)
[15:27] <radix> heh :)
[15:27] <cprov> radix: can you please open a question about this problem, rockstar will help you.
[15:27] <radix> cool! on what project?
[15:28] <rockstar> radix, has this import ever worked?
[15:28] <radix> rockstar: yes
[15:28] <radix> rockstar: for quite a while
[15:28] <rockstar> radix, and it broke recently?
[15:28] <radix> rockstar: about 6 weeks ago, I guess, since that's when the last revision it fetched is from
[15:29] <rockstar> radix, investimigating now.
[15:29] <radix> rockstar: thank you
[15:30] <alkisg> Hi, is this the right place to ask how often does translations.launchpad.net sync with the upstream translations?
[15:36] <alkisg> And a similar one, if I revert a lot of "changed in launchpad" messages to their packaged versions, will they be sync'ed to the latest upstream version in time for Jaunty?
[15:36]  * beuno nudges danilos 
[15:37] <danilos> alkisg: how often translations are synced depends on the project; am I right to assume that you are talking about Ubuntu?
[15:37] <alkisg> Yes
[15:38] <danilos> alkisg: Ubuntu translations are synced with every package upload, so it completely depends on what tarballs does upstream release, and when they get packaged for Ubuntu; we don't have control of that, but you can always ask Ubuntu packagers if you have specific concerns
[15:38] <danilos> alkisg: that should also answer your question: they will be synced with latest upstream version if that upstream version is packaged in Ubuntu
[15:39] <alkisg> I'm in both Ubuntu translators (greek) team and the gnome el team, and there are about 200 projects that have changed some translations in launchpad - something that they shouldn't have. Now we want to cancel all these changes (more than 10000 messages - I hope we can find a way to automate this) and have them updated with the latest upstream versions in time for Jaunty
[15:39] <alkisg> So now I'm clicking the messages one by one and then upload the "published version" of the .po file for each package; this is very time consuming...
[15:40] <alkisg> (clicking the "Packaged Version" for all messages "Changed in launchpad", I mean)
[15:40] <danilos> alkisg: right, that's the right way to do it today
[15:41] <alkisg> Can I skip the "upload published .po file" step?
[15:41] <danilos> alkisg: for gnome, I'd say most likely "yes"
[15:41] <alkisg> There are also KDE packages, and other packages like pidgin
[15:41] <danilos> alkisg: talk to seb128 (Ubuntu GNOME packager) if you want to know for sure if he'll package another round of GNOME tarballs
[15:42] <danilos> alkisg: as I said, it all depends on Ubuntu packagers; we can't directly import upstream translations since sometimes they are for different versions of the software
[15:43] <danilos> alkisg: so, we import what Ubuntu packages give us
[15:43] <alkisg> danilos: thanks... I have a last question, but I'm having difficulties expressing it, let me try...
[15:43] <danilos> alkisg: for KDE, I believe there will be another upstream import in early April, but that's only the stuff I heard
[15:44] <alkisg> So the safe way would be to manually upload the published packages...
[15:46] <MTecknology> Is there any way to search for users on LP based on email?
[15:46] <alkisg> danilos: A question said with an example: someone back in 2006 changed a string for the "pidgin" package from "A" (the packaged version) to "B" (the launchpad version). Later on, the upstream translator changed "A" to "C". My problem is that when I click on the radio button to cancel the launchpad translation and use the packaged version, "A" gets used instead of "C"...
[15:46] <alkisg> Even if the change from "A" to "C" happened in 2007 :(
[15:47] <danilos> alkisg: that should not happen
[15:47] <danilos> alkisg: do you have an example of that?
[15:48] <cprov> MTecknology: yes, https://edge.launchpad.net/people/?name=cprov%40canonical.com&searchfor=all
[15:48] <alkisg> Yes, with the fast-user-switching-applet greek translation, but I just uploaded the published version and it fixed the problem...
[15:49] <danilos> alkisg: as far as the "safe way", it's probably easier to ask Ubuntu guys who are doing the packaging, but if you are fine with re-uploading stuff
[15:49] <danilos> alkisg: if that fixed the problem, it indicates there's no bug in our code, since packaged PO files go through exactly the same code path
[15:49] <alkisg> All these changes would need about a week, so if I could open a help ticket somewhere to be done automatically it would be really nice :)
[15:50] <danilos> alkisg: it's most likely that Ubuntu package is using an old PO file (all packages always use released tarballs, not from eg. svn or similar repositories)
[15:51] <danilos> alkisg: you can open a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/, but so close to the deadline, it's hard to promise anything; and, we'd need several Ubuntu Greek translators from the official team to approve the request there
[15:51] <alkisg> danilos: I think I've seen it happen with strings from 2006... anyway, I'll check again. If I verify that there's a bug, where should I report it?
[15:52] <danilos> alkisg: depends... if a ubuntu package source tarball package contains the correct PO file, then it's a bug in 'rosetta'; if not, it's a bug in ubuntu package
[15:52] <alkisg> danilos: thanks a lot, I'll contact the rest of the team members and open a ticket with the list of packages that we want to cancel the launchpad translations.
[15:53] <danilos> alkisg: or sometimes, just a po-revision-date has not been updated in upstream PO file
[15:53] <danilos> alkisg: cool, we'll try to do it for Jaunty release, but if not, it will be available for the next langpack update at least
[15:54] <alkisg> Yeah, the problem was that many people wanted to help with the translations but did it in the wrong place. :( Thanks again, danilos.
[15:54] <MTecknology> cprov-lunch: thanks
[15:56] <alkisg> danilos: a last question, please, is there somewhere a list of packages that have ubuntu-specific messages? Like fast-user-switching applet, d-i etc?
[15:57] <gnomefreak> how long does it normally take to remove packages from PPA?
[15:58] <gnomefreak> before i can upload a lower version
[15:59] <bigjools> you can't ever upload lower versions
[16:02] <danilos> alkisg: unfortunately, no, there isn't; there was one that Adi Roiban collected, though (he's a Romanian translator; I believe he posted about that on ubuntu-translators mailing list)
[16:02] <alkisg> Thanks, I'll try to find that.
[16:02] <danilos> adiroiban: did I remember correctly that you have a list of packages in ubuntu with modified strings? (to help out alkisg)
[16:15] <gnomefreak> bigjools: after removing the package you can just not sure how much time it takes for the remove to work
[16:15] <bigjools> gnomefreak: no, the upload processor remembers what versions you've uploaded even after you've deleted packages
[16:16] <gnomefreak> i thought i remember doing it a while back. than is there a way to get them back or just reupload?
[16:17] <bigjools> you re-upload a higher version
[16:18] <gnomefreak> ok damn that means users from my PPA will have a higher version than a backported version thats no good :(
[16:33] <thekorn> wow, I just noticed an example of the new interleaved activity log, it's looking awesome
[16:33] <thekorn> goo work
[16:34] <thekorn> good, even
[16:44] <fab2> gmb: did you manage to get a new instance?
[16:44] <gmb> fab2: The instance isn't the problem. Did you see my privmsg from yesterday?
[16:45] <fab2> no!
[16:45] <gmb> fab2: Ah.
[16:45] <fab2> gmb: I lost in it the flow I guess
[16:45] <gmb> fab2: So, the problem we have is that when I do the export from SourceForge I get... zero data.
[16:45] <gmb> I suspect it's because SourceForge has updated its bugtracker
[16:46] <gmb> And the exporter we're using is a bit of a kludge
[16:46] <fab2> gmb: holy shit..
[16:46] <gmb> fab2: We're investigating.
[16:46] <gmb> Yea.
[16:46] <gmb> h
[16:46] <fab2> if we start using the LP trackers, the migration will not remove the current messages?
[16:46] <gmb> fab2: Could you have a looksie and see if there's any option to create an export from sourceforge as an XML file? ISTR they used to offer that option
[16:47] <gmb> fab2: As in the stuff that's already in LP?
[16:47] <fab2> gmb: yeah
[16:47] <gmb> fab2: No, the migration won't touch anything that's there already.
[16:48] <cprov> gnomefreak: you currently can upload a lower version after the current is removed, it just have to be new. But don't count on that working for a long time (because it's sort of non-sense) and be aware that it might affect people using your PPA.
[16:48] <gmb> fab2: If SourceForge lets you do a dump of the trackers to XML it might be quicker for us to write an XSL transform to convert that into Launchpad Bug Interchange format. Traditionally we've not done that because we had our exporter, but since that's not working...
[16:48] <gnomefreak> cprov: thanks i found a way around it
[16:49] <cprov> gnomefreak: right, newer version is always safer.
[16:49] <gnomefreak> cprov: yep
[17:59] <fab2> gmb: OK, we decided to move anyway to LP for tracking bugs
[18:00] <fab2> gmb: and you don't have to bother with migration
[18:00] <gmb> fab2: How much are you going to lose by not migrating? The last thing we want is for you to have to lose data.
[18:00] <fab2> gmb: thanks anyway, sf has made us quite suffering hehe
[18:00] <gmb> fab2: Yeah; it's not the first time :/
[18:00] <fab2> well, we don't reallt loose the bug reports
[18:00] <fab2> they are staying there for the records
[18:01] <fab2> and most of them are not reproducible
[18:01] <fab2> so it will clean up the whole stuff
[18:02] <gmb> fab2: Okay. Sorry that we couldn't get this migrated for you. I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed that we couldn't get further than we did.
[18:47] <tgm4883> Is something up with the PPA's?  I've tried pushing something to my ppa last night and then again an hour ago and i'm not seeing anything in there, and not receiving any emails about it either
[18:48] <kiko> shouldn't be, no.
[18:48] <kiko> you signing the upload ok?
[18:49] <tgm4883> yea I think everything is just fine
[18:50] <tgm4883> I'll try rebuilding and signing it just in case
[18:56] <kiko> cprov, did we ever get a public ppa upload board?
[18:56] <kiko> for people to check if they mis-signed or if we blew up?
[18:58] <tgm4883> kiko, hmm, looks like it's trying to sign it with an old key
[18:58] <tgm4883> i'll look into it
[18:59] <kfogel> whoa -- launchpad-users@ archives stopped in January??  https://lists.canonical.com/archives/launchpad-users/
[18:59] <kfogel> kiko: ^^
[18:59] <kfogel> that seems bad
[18:59] <kiko> kfogel, it moved to launchpad. welcome to the 21st century. :)
[18:59] <kfogel> kiko: what do you mean?
[19:00] <kfogel> mailing list archives on launchpad?  since when have they been there?
[19:00] <kiko> it's no longer on lists.canonical.com
[19:00] <kiko> since january.
[19:00] <kiko> go to ~launchpad-users and look at the ML stuff there
[19:00] <kfogel> kiko: is this true of all lists?
[19:00] <cprov> kiko: no, there is not such thing like a list of recent PPA uploads
[19:00] <kfogel> (forwarding pointers would be nice, for those who have bookmarked archive links!)
[19:01] <kiko> kfogel, no, but it is true for launchpad-users.
[19:09] <cprov> tgm4883: which package did you upload (name & version, please) ?
[19:10] <tgm4883> mythnettv-svn 8~svn285-0ubuntu1~hardy
[19:10] <tgm4883> I just reuploaded it again with the right key signing it now
[19:11] <mattgates> Is there a way to get an RSS feed of announcements for a project?
[19:12] <cprov> tgm4883: (File mythnettv-svn_8~svn285-0ubuntu1~intrepid_source.changes is signed with a deactivated key B1EF0225)
[19:12] <tgm4883> cprov, yep, thats what I thought.  So it should go through this time
[19:12] <cprov> tgm4883: so, yes, broken key. The upload processor can't do much.
[19:13] <tgm4883> no email sent about that?
[19:13] <cprov> tgm4883: no, it would be a 'spam channel' if it does.
[19:15] <cprov> tgm4883: anyone could push a fake changesfile to our servers and we would send message to the emails listed on it.
[19:15] <tgm4883> ah ok
[19:16] <cprov> tgm4883: we only send emails for changesfiles with valid signatures that LP knows the key.
[19:16] <tgm4883> well all is good now, I had just forgotten to change the email in the changelog, so it was using an old deactivated key
[19:16] <tgm4883> which apparently was still valid on my system
[19:16] <tgm4883> thanks cprov
[19:18] <cprov> tgm4883: np, you are welcome.
[20:17] <asanchez> hi everybody
[20:17] <asanchez> i have a doubt about translations in LP that I haven't solved reading the documentation
[20:18] <asanchez> how is possible to translate an application that is not a project in LP?
[20:19] <asanchez> in my case i want to translate xmlcopyeditor into spanish and i don't know how to include translations chains in our distribution without create a new project
[20:21] <rockstar> asanchez, just create the project on Launchpad, but don't say that the code is hosted there.  Then upload the pot file.
[20:21] <asanchez> ok, thank you rockstar
[20:26] <asanchez> I thought it could be a problem if I create a project without being a xmlcopyeditor developer
[21:03] <Laney> erm so
[21:03] <Laney> I can't see how to unsubscribe from launchpad-users
[21:03] <Laney> am I blind?
[21:07] <wgrant> kiko: Odd that you should say that launchpad-users moved into the 21st century when Launchpad gives such awful archives.
[21:08] <wgrant> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users - there is an unsubscribe button.
[21:08] <wgrant> Half-way down on edge.
[21:10] <Laney> wgrant: I seriously can't see if
[21:10] <Laney> it
[21:10] <Laney> I can see archive/subscribers
[21:10] <Laney> erm
[21:10] <Laney> apparently I'm not a member of the team
[21:11] <Laney> so how do I get the mails?
[21:11]  * wgrant is checking the subscriber list, but it times out :(
[21:12] <Laney> I think I got migrated over when it switched to LP
[21:12] <wgrant> I wonder if that means you have another account somewhere.
[21:12] <wgrant> Is the email address that it is sending to associated with your normal account?
[21:13] <Laney> hmm, possibly not
[21:13] <wgrant> Search for it on /people.
[21:13] <wgrant> You might have got a duplicate account when you uploaded a package with that address, for example.
[21:13] <Laney> victory
[21:14] <Laney> so uh
[21:14] <Laney> I guess I have to forgotten password it
[21:14] <wgrant> Do you have access to the email address? You can request a merge.
[21:15] <wgrant> Wait. Of course you dead.
[21:15] <wgrant> Er.
[21:15] <wgrant> DO.
[21:15]  * wgrant is asleep.
[21:15] <Laney> how?
[21:15] <wgrant> /people/+requestmerge
[21:15] <Laney> I've seen the "Is this you?" style accounts before, but this isn't one ofthose
[21:15] <Laney> aha
[21:16] <Laney> Nice one, thanks
[21:18] <wgrant> (I was simultaenously complaining above that a monitor was dead, and somehow those conversations got swapped... oops)