[00:00] <DanaG> I've always believed that a laptop that actually OVERHEATS without extra cooling... is improperly designed.
[00:00] <genii> hacker07: laptops don't make very good platforms for server, since they are not designed to on 24 hours a day 7 days a week for months or years on end
[00:00] <hacker07> I kinda knew that
[00:01] <DanaG> My old Gateway laptop would make a fine enough server: it does do fan-always-on-when-on-AC-power.
[00:01] <genii> DanaG: Now only if the MTBF on the hd is long enough... ;)
[00:02] <DanaG> Just make sure to have backups, and have hdparm and journal commit time set nicely.
[00:02] <billisnice> I have a ?  which one works the best with my dell mini 9?  UNR USB image or MID USB image
[00:03] <hacker07> I need help with mysql an apache
[00:04] <Hobbsee> hacker07: i believe you want #ubuntu for general support
[00:05] <hacker07> okay
[00:10] <BHSPitMonkey> Are there reports that say whether a daily image works or not, or can I just expect it to install fine
[00:11] <BHSPitMonkey> (I'd hate to burn today's CD and find out the installer's broken :P)
[00:12] <LordKow> dtchen, everything seems fine with audio through pidgin until i start up virtualbox and then the scratchyness comes back. i do have virtualbox set to use pulse but this is from the intrepid repos so the fact that it is likely built against intrepid's pulseaudio libs may have something to do with it.
[00:13] <dtchen> BHSPitMonkey: the most current daily (0324) is the Beta candidate.
[00:14] <wrektjet> hey, so , funny story, last night i managed to make my 8.10 unstable via removing a bunch of packages... so anyway i reinstalled using the same cd as the first yet ended up with jaunty.. now im not the person to be running BETA anything.. but, now that i have it can someone help me with a slight display issue. namely i am getting no gui
[00:14] <BHSPitMonkey> dtchen, ah, good to know.
[00:14] <dtchen> BHSPitMonkey: if you look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/, you should have a pretty good idea of whether that daily is "safe"
[00:14] <BHSPitMonkey> dtchen, wasn't aware of that link, thanks :)
[00:15] <BHSPitMonkey> Exactly what I was looking for.
[00:15] <dtchen> LordKow: ok
[00:16] <dtchen> LordKow: does it disappear again when you close vbox?
[00:16] <BHSPitMonkey> Are the jigdo links fast? Still seems like it's not very widely adopted
[00:17] <centaur5> any ideas why update-manager -d and do-release-upgrade don't force my Intrepid install to see Jaunty?
[00:18] <dtchen> centaur5: using 'do-release-upgrade -d' ?
[00:18] <adam7> centaur5: are you doing sudo update-manager -d or just update-manager -d ?
[00:18] <LordKow> dtchen, it will show up again randomly. but not nearly as frequent as with the current kernel in the repos (which was almost constant scratching with pidgin). i never had issues with rhythmbox audio
[00:19] <bsnider> in the mixer app what happened to the tab that lists apps that are using sound?
[00:19] <centaur5> adam7: I tried both
[00:19] <centaur5> dtchen: Yep, that does nothing.
[00:20] <centaur5> Should I just manually search and replace intrepid with jaunty in sources.list?
[00:20] <wrektjet> any idea how to get my display back? kinit: trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/19e9794f-etc etc etc    no resume image, doing normal boot...
[00:21] <wrektjet> i enetered grub and tried all the diff kernels bo dice
[00:25] <wrektjet> has no one had this issue?
[00:26] <bsnider> what's your graphcis ahrdware?
[00:26] <wrektjet> nvidia
[00:27] <bsnider> nvidia...
[00:27] <wrektjet> it was working all day until i went for a system restart. coem to think of it the restart was for the driver
[00:27] <wrektjet> 9800
[00:28] <bsnider> right so you should be using the 180 driver
[00:28] <bsnider> boot to safe mode and reinstall it. make sure you have the right xorg.conf
[00:32] <wrektjet> i can only access command line... im in netroot. what would the command for the driver be do u know?
[00:34] <bsnider> do you have an internet connection?
[00:35] <wrektjet> yea
[00:35] <bsnider> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[00:35] <wrektjet> if i boot into recovery
[00:37] <BHSPitMonkey> This ISO download started really fast, and quickly turned really slow :[
[00:37] <wrektjet> nvidia is already the newest version :( something else going on
[00:37] <bsnider> ok now do dkms status
[00:38] <bsnider> you want to see isntalled for every kernel, not built
[00:38] <wrektjet> yea installed
[00:38] <bsnider> now cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:38] <bsnider> you want to se a very simple file that has the nvidia corporation and the driver name nvidia
[00:39] <wrektjet> ok ive gotta ls it to find it
[00:41] <bsnider> i already gave you the command: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:41] <wrektjet> no such file...
[00:41] <bsnider> alright go into the directory cd /etc/X11
[00:41] <bsnider> then ls
[00:42] <bsnider> what's in there
[00:45] <wrektjet> pathetic i cant get to the etc directory
[00:45] <bsnider> what does it say?
[00:47] <wrektjet> i did whereis etc it told me usr/local/etc
[00:47] <wrektjet> but it wont ls me whats inside
[00:48] <bsnider> type this command: cd /etc/X11
[00:48] <bsnider> it's case sensitive. don't leave anything out. those are forward slashes
[00:49] <bluefoxx> someone want to explain to me why for years now, ubuntu has had the underlined letters in menus and dialog boxes, seemingly indicating if we tap the key with that letter, it acts as a shortcut to that function, yet no volume of pounding said key will ever use that function?
[00:49] <bluefoxx> either enable those shortcut keys or drop the underlined letters :<
[00:49] <bsnider> they wanted to screw with your head
[00:50] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: alt+letter
[00:50] <Amaranth> Just like in Windows dude
[00:50] <bluefoxx> it annoys me to no end that i can work twice as fast on a twice as slow windows install than i can on a ubuntu install
[00:50] <bluefoxx> i know how to get menus in the title bar
[00:50] <Hobbsee> if you didn't have to hold alt, it'd be terrible for typing into a window, too
[00:50] <bluefoxx> but in the dialog boxes
[00:51] <wrektjet> (no such...) i did whereis xorg.conf it tells me /usr/lib/xorg
[00:51] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: same thing
[00:51] <Amaranth> alt+letter
[00:51] <Amaranth> Why would you expect it to be different?
[00:51] <josh-l> what is this 2 hours since beta release day?
[00:51] <bluefoxx> if the options are 'Continue, cLose, caNcel', and I tap 'l' in windows, it goes with that. but in linux, it does nothing for me...
[00:52] <Amaranth> oh, you mean the buttons, not the options
[00:52] <bsnider> wrektjet, what distro are you using?
[00:52] <bluefoxx> yes
[00:52] <bluefoxx> buttons
[00:52] <bluefoxx> not options
[00:52] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: again, alt+letter
[00:52] <bluefoxx> options too, but mostly buttons...
[00:52] <bluefoxx> well thats a bit stupid
[00:52] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: isn't consistency great?
[00:53] <bluefoxx> what if i remapped the alt+<key> to something else, like alt+e for eject, or alt+p as poweroff?
[00:53] <Amaranth> Uh, don't?
[00:53] <bluefoxx> bleh, though i'de pester about it on my way to find out why i fail so hard at C
[00:53] <Amaranth> What if you remapped e to eject?
[00:54] <Amaranth> That is just as plausible
[00:54] <bluefoxx> but on the topic of oddities of ubuntu, any clue as to why its telling me a plain text file with a single phone number is an executable script and wants to open it in the terminal?
[00:55] <bsnider> it always does that
[00:55] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: Because it's on a FAT32 partition
[00:55] <Amaranth> files on windows filesystems don't have the executable bit so all files are marked executable
[00:55] <wrektjet> ohhh could it be x11r6
[00:55] <bluefoxx> no, its not
[00:55] <bluefoxx> its on the ext3 linux partition
[00:56] <bluefoxx> made in gedit
[00:56] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: Did you chmod it or something then?
[00:56] <bluefoxx> no
[00:56] <bluefoxx> its just always done this
[00:57] <Amaranth> bluefoxx: not for me
[00:57] <bluefoxx> i could write a small story in gedit for a school project and gedit would try to open it as a script...
[00:57] <Amaranth> what are the contents of the file?
[00:57] <bluefoxx> plain text
[00:57] <bsnider> that's true. it can be annoying at times to have it constantly ask if youwant to execute text files
[00:57] <bluefoxx> like a phone number
[00:58] <bluefoxx> or a school project, like an essay
[00:58] <Amaranth> I just tried, didn't happen
[00:58] <Amaranth> You're doing something you aren't telling us or you've broken your system somehow
[00:58] <bluefoxx> sometimes its just a scratch file, like a random thought, quote or note to myself...
[00:58] <bluefoxx> fresh install
[00:58] <Amaranth> Nope, stop lying.
[00:59] <Amaranth> did you set the sticky bit on your $HOME?
[01:00] <wrektjet> bsnider: u wanna give it one more crack perhaps. if i cant get it im gonna go for a reinstall
[01:00] <wrektjet> ?
[01:00] <bluefoxx> didn't do anything to my $HOME
[01:01] <bsnider> wrektjet, no. you didn't follow my instructions or give me the  info i asked for
[01:01] <bluefoxx> the only major change to the machine in question is i needed to hunt down a very specific xorg.conf file and i changed to a darker theme
[01:01] <bluefoxx> and i only touched the xorg.conf because it was a ancient crappy laptop and ubuntu wanted to display 800x600 and center it in the lcd instead of 1024x768 like the LCD's default was
[01:02] <wrektjet> i tried to follow and kept getting "no such file.."
[01:03] <bsnider> you can't possibly get a no such file if you're looking for /etc
[01:03] <bsnider> the system can't exist without it
[01:03] <wrektjet> i can change directory into etc
[01:03] <wrektjet> yes true
[01:04] <wrektjet> but i cant cd into x11 b/c it doesnt exist
[01:04] <bsnider> oh now you can go into /etc
[01:04] <bsnider> that's a lowercase x. the x is uppercase
[01:04] <wrektjet> yea sorry did i say i couldnt? whoops
[01:06] <wrektjet> ls returned .... xvdial.conf xdg xm1 xulrnner-1.9 zsh_command_not_found to end the list
[01:07] <bsnider> ls from where?
[01:07] <wrektjet> although cdwait wait
[01:08] <wrektjet> oooo i did it
[01:08] <wrektjet> reboot?
[01:09] <bsnider> you did what? i don't know what you're talking about
[01:09] <wrektjet> i think i wasnt doing the x in uppercase all along
[01:09]  * wrektjet sighs
[01:09] <wrektjet> forget all that
[01:09] <wrektjet> i managed cat /etc/X11?xorg.conf
[01:10] <bsnider> and you need to see driver "nvidia"
[01:14] <wrektjet> yes it there
[01:14] <wrektjet> second to last line Driver "nvidia"
[01:14] <bsnider> ok, you don't have a graphics driver problem so reboot
[01:16] <wrektjet> kinit: no resume image doing normal boot...
[01:16] <wrektjet> sound familiar?
[01:17] <bsnider> are you using kde?
[01:17] <wrektjet> was usin gnome
[01:18] <bsnider> is it complaining that usplash isn't installed?
[01:18] <bsnider> there isn't enough information here
[01:20] <wrektjet> no.. sigh
[01:20] <wrektjet> looks like reinstall time
[01:21] <scream> How many hours away is the beta release?
[01:21] <mindframe> do you mean days?
[01:21] <scream> holyscott, you found it, it appears :)
[01:21] <holyscott> yup
[01:22] <scream> I'm looking at the release schedule...
[01:22] <holyscott> it should be out sometime tomorrow
[01:22] <holyscott> 26th
[01:22] <mindframe> are they jumping from alpha to final?
[01:22] <mindframe> lol
[01:22] <scream>  March 26th
[01:22] <scream> 	
[01:22] <scream> 	
[01:22] <scream> 	
[01:22] <holyscott> alpha to beta
[01:22] <scream> Beta
[01:22] <mindframe> k :)
[01:22] <scream> sorry for the flood folks
[01:22] <scream> Is it 0000UTC on 26 MAR?
[01:23] <scream> I'm trying to coordinate, we will be supporting it by running open torrent in order to share the load.
[01:23] <scream> Would like to grab and serve the beta as soon as it is available.
[01:23] <bsnider> your business uses ubuntu workstations?
[01:24] <scream> The family uses Ubuntu, and we like it.  We have chosen to leave Deluge open as soon as the copy is grabbed on both connections.
[01:24] <scream> On release day.
[01:25] <scream> Our little way of contributing.
[01:25] <bsnider> meh. today's livecd is 99%of the beta
[01:25] <scream> Myself, I do some bug reporting and what not with launchpad.
[01:25] <scream> Ok, so not much change in the Alpha6 and Beta then.
[01:26] <bsnider> there have been plenty of changes
[01:26] <bsnider> but not in the past 24 hours  or so
[01:28] <eternal_p> bsnider: its funny..24 hours and no updates
[01:28] <Hobbsee> eternal_p: er, yes.  Freeze.
[01:28] <Hobbsee> scream: it isn't out at a set time.
[01:28] <eternal_p> Hobbsee: I'm not used to it
[01:29] <eternal_p> :)
[01:29] <scream> ok
[01:29] <Hobbsee> eternal_p: i know!  it's weird...
[01:30] <melik> whos excited for the beta in 2 days?
[01:30] <holyscott> I am
[01:30] <holyscott> even though I have only been playing with linux for about a week
[01:30] <melik> how do you like linux?
[01:31] <wrektjet> fingers crossed
[01:31] <wrektjet> ........
[01:31] <bsnider> it's obviously not as good as the excellent microsoft windows operating system
[01:31]  * wrektjet holds his breath
[01:32] <holyscott> love it
[01:32] <holyscott> ready to get rid of windows 7
[01:32] <holyscott> I need a few things to work though...
[01:39] <scream> bsnider, Microsoft IS a bug...
[01:39] <DanaG> <insert "YOUR FACE" joke here>
[01:39] <DanaG> well, better "FACE" than "MOM"
[01:39] <DanaG> =þ
[01:39] <DanaG> yeah, I'm feeling random.
[01:40] <bsnider> scream, have you paid your microsoft tax recently?
[01:42] <scream> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[01:43] <scream> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[01:47] <DanaG> bug 1
[01:47] <DanaG> =þ
[01:47] <DanaG> bug 001
[01:50] <cwillu> you're trying different ways of typing it, as if it's not obvious from the error what the problem is.
[01:50] <cwillu> Abort, retry, continue?
[01:51]  * cwillu suggests abort
[01:52] <bsnider> windows users never see that. windows always works
[01:55] <Hobbsee> bsnider: except when it bluescreens.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> bsnider: or do BSoD's count as work now?  ;)
[01:55] <bsnider> true, blue screens happen. but that's why pencils have erasers.
[01:59]  * genii gets eraser crap all over his screen trying to get the blue out
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[02:18] <o0Chris0o> hmm no updates today :D guess everyone is getting ready for beta
[02:20] <o0Chris0o> In the update manager >> settings >>> updates, should I have all the ubuntu updates ticked? or just the top 2?
[02:21] <melik> anyone know a list of new features we'll see in beta
[02:21] <melik> or its just going to  be more and more bugs fixed
[02:22] <o0Chris0o> melik: probably a lot of bug fixes that I can see
[02:22] <melik> sounds good :)
[02:23] <wrektjet> how long unitil the reg release? should i wait until the reg release or d/l intrepid and upgrade?
[02:23] <melik> anyone know where i can find a log of the boot
[02:24] <PhotoJim> melik: dmesg.  or cat /var/log/dmesg
[02:26] <o0Chris0o> !jaunty | wrektjet
[02:27] <DanaG> ooooooh, I can now have a drop-sensor.  http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/x86/linux-2.6-x86.git;a=blob_plain;f=Documentation/hwmon/hpfall.c;h=bbea1ccfd46a30c95cc2861223f1a499600d0bf0
[02:31] <DanaG> ah, have to hack at it a bit to make it do the power-state-based stuff.
[02:43] <jscinoz> hi
[02:44] <jscinoz> after a recent upgrade screen is no longer reading the configuration files in ~/.screen-profiles is anyone else having this problem? has anyone found a solution?
[02:51] <MTecknology> ok - I have an xorg.conf file that is exactly what I need and I have hardware that won't ever change... so... how can I stop the probing when X starts?
[02:52] <LordKow> i should just assume ubuntu has documentation for everything. i just spent the last hour coming up with a hook script for pbuilder which, in effect, does the exact same thing as what is at the very end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:52] <crdlb> MTecknology: out of curiosity, why?
[02:52] <MTecknology> LordKow: I know the feeling, I wish I could find an answer to what I'm looking for
[02:52] <MTecknology> crdlb: there's no use for it on a laptop really
[02:53] <MTecknology> just extra boot time
[02:53] <crdlb> -_-
[02:53] <crdlb> suspend to ram is your friend
[02:53] <MTecknology> crdlb: not on this battery
[02:53] <crdlb> suspend to disk then :D
[02:53] <cwillu> then hibernate is your friend
[02:53] <cwillu> ya
[02:53] <crdlb> and get a new battery
[02:53] <LordKow> suspending to ram, stop the probing... X11 stuff just sounds nasty.
[02:54] <cwillu> MTecknology, an xorg file is still honoured though afaik
[02:54] <MTecknology> crdlb: I think it's an incredibly feature - not not so useful on hardware that will never ever change
[02:54] <cwillu> i.e., I get a broken system (well, reverting to vesa) if I type driver "nvidia" in on my intel
[02:54] <crdlb> until it does :)
[02:54] <MTecknology> I have the xorg file setup, it does things perfect
[02:54] <cwillu> okay, then what's the problem?
[02:54] <crdlb> do you also build a kernel with all the drivers you need builtin?
[02:55] <MTecknology> cwillu: I don't want the probing
[02:55] <cwillu> what probing?
[02:55] <cwillu> pastebin your /var/log/xorg.0.log
[02:55] <MTecknology> when you get to the login screen, it blinks a couple times - that's Xorg probing for hardware
[02:56] <DanaG> You can take the "driver" line out.
[02:56] <cwillu> after the loginscreen is showing up?  that shouldn't be happening
[02:56] <LordKow> im pretty sure Xorg checks the hardware before it inits.
[02:56] <DanaG> nvidia driver just breaks everything -- you can't use it alongside anything else.
[02:56] <MTecknology> i didn't say after
[02:56] <cwillu> "when you get to the login screen, it blinks a couple times - that's Xorg probing for hardware"
[02:57] <cwillu> before or after you get to the login screen?
[02:57] <MTecknology> right before
[02:57] <DanaG> On my fglrx 8.543, it blinks 3 times before starting..... that's Xorg crashing.  =þ
[02:57] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ca/1372505
[02:57] <DanaG> And if I use anything later than 8.543..... it panics, instead.
[02:57]  * cwillu huggles DanaG 
[02:58] <DanaG> hah, update-manager thinks I last updated 108 days ago... even though I last updated... 0 days ago.
[02:58] <DanaG> as in, today.
[02:58] <LordKow> DanaG, been using aptitude huh?
[02:58] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:59] <LordKow> yea i last updated june 08'ish (with update-manager)
[02:59] <DanaG> ACtually, it says I last updated pacakge information 108 days ago, not just "last installed updates"
[02:59] <MTecknology> Where is x launched? /etc/init.d/ ?
[02:59] <crdlb> gdm
[02:59] <crdlb> or some other ?dm
[03:00] <DanaG> I just pressed "check", and it STILL says 108 days.
[03:01] <josh-l> pressed check?
[03:01] <DanaG> in update-manager.
[03:01] <josh-l> thought you said you were using aptitude
[03:02] <DanaG> Apparently that's not the cause of the bug in update-manager.
[03:02] <crdlb> but not _now_
[03:02] <DanaG> update-manager is what's giving "108 days"
[03:02] <LordKow> alright im bored
[03:02] <josh-l> hehe
[03:02] <LordKow> cat /usr/sbin/gdm > /dev/dsp
[03:02] <DanaG> W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org intrepid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG DCF9F87B6DFBCBAE Sun Microsystems, Inc. (xVM VirtualBox archive signing key) <info@virtualbox.org>
[03:02] <LordKow> turn the volume down
[03:02] <LordKow> :)
[03:02] <DanaG> even more fun is catting various partitions | aplay -fcd
[03:02] <josh-l> i'm impatiently waiting for beta release
[03:02] <DanaG> Let's play Name That File System!
[03:03] <DanaG> I see.. if ANY list fails to update, it assumes the oldest list age!
[03:03] <LordKow> i wonder what the kernel sounds like when played
[03:03] <cwillu> yay, it's that time of the year where I can no longer bite people's heads off for upgrading to jaunty without understanding how to edit a file from the console
[03:03] <DanaG> I had it set to virtualbox jaunty... which gives 404.
[03:03] <cwillu> now I only get to bite heads off when they didn't backup first
[03:04]  * cwillu realizes that <1% of people who upgrade and then can't fix stuff actually to backups, and so is happy that he still gets to munch on heads
[03:04] <cwillu> DanaG, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is your friend
[03:04] <LordKow> the only time i haven't been able to fix a b0rked upgrade was the one time i didnt backup
[03:05]  * crdlb wonders if cwillu is a praying mantis
[03:05] <josh-l> of course
[03:05]  * DanaG backs up... and then DOESN't get breakage.  Lucky me.
[03:06] <DanaG> Well, aside from fglrx... but I knew that one was coming.  In fact, it didn't break... it's never been NOT broken.  =þ
[03:06] <cwillu> crdlb, launchpad.net/~cwillu.com/
[03:06] <cwillu> crdlb, well played, well played :)
[03:07]  * DanaG boots Windows to play a game.
[03:07]  * LordKow crosses fingers. this vlc 1.0 snapshot *should* build entirely now
[03:08] <LordKow> sad, wine wouldnt do i guess
[03:08] <crdlb> with radeon, probably not :)
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> fail
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> Brodcom B43 Wireless Driver (This Driver is In Use)
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> No proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> GOOD JOB.
[03:43] <scream> I screwed up my var/log
[03:43] <scream> I cleared the entire directory of stuff... now programs are complaining of missing logs directories :|
[03:52] <frybye> anybody got the beta already??
[03:52] <HolyScottie> not that i've seen or heard, i'm up waiting for it myself.
[03:53] <frybye> Holy - if one decides to take the risk - how too move from 8.10 > jaunty- beta?
[03:53] <scream> I would not move it on a production system.
[03:54] <scream> Until progression from Beta is done.
[03:54] <burner> frybye: update-manager -d
[03:54] <scream> But in any case, please back up your data.
[03:55] <picklesworth> Okay, who's been messing with file roller?
[03:55]  * burner hasn't noticed any changes to repos for about 24 hours
[03:55] <scream> burner's command works
[03:55] <picklesworth> I get horrible system-wide lockups whenever I drag anything from it and it's impossibly slow opening files in archives
[03:56] <frybye> scream - you mean it is already able to get the beta??
[04:00] <frybye> burner.. when the update-manager -d says that the 9.04 is available - is that alpha6 or the beta?
[04:01] <Halow> We're still alpha until tomorrow (at least).
[04:03] <frybye> Halow - eh - If I am not mistaken here in Berlin it already is "tomorrow!" ;=)
[04:05] <Halow> frybye: True, true. I've no sense of time. Near tomorrow here too! But when they give the date it could be any time... or later. ;)
[04:05] <frybye> but if one executes the u-m -d command then the resulting system will autom. update to the beta when avail or?
[04:06] <Halow> frybye: Yep. You'll go from alpha to beta to candidate to final, as long as you keep updating.
[04:06] <frybye> - at least if I rem. right that was how it went with 8.04 >8.10 a >b usw...
[04:07] <frybye> awe shucks.. I have done riskier things (signing up for 18 years with the royal air force at age 16 for instance hehehe)
[04:08] <frybye> ok folks - If I suddently dissapear from the net - you know what has happend -- heheh
[04:09] <frybye> when hitting the update button in u-m -d it says it is "beta!"
[04:09] <HolyScottie> its now after midnight on the east coast
[04:11] <frybye> c u later ..whoosh - off we go...
[04:14] <frybye> HolyScottie: grrr... the u-m -d broke off saying a whole load of stuff could not be authenticated - try again later...
[04:15] <frybye> I guess they might be right now doing the updating the repos or??
[04:15] <picklesworth> You may as well upgrade now to spare the servers that spike in load tomorrow ;)
[04:15] <picklesworth> Ooops, hehe, that was in response to about 10 minutes ago
[04:15] <picklesworth> err, not working, eh?
[04:15] <frybye> picklesworth: right - but like I say - the process broke off with this fault-window...
[04:15]  * picklesworth disappears
[04:16] <HolyScottie> where is that first place that the new beta would be updated?
[04:17] <frybye> depends wether the product is actually considered ready for beta or ..? Is the time- plan quassi binding?
[04:17] <centaur5> Any advice on how to update if update-manager -d and do-release-upgrade -d don't see a new version? Should I just change sources.list from intrepid to jaunty?
[04:18] <picklesworth> it had better be binding, the countdown slideshow has 30 slots on it for a reason :P
[04:18] <burner> HolyScottie: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[04:18] <frybye> the fault- report said something about "maybe due to network problems..."
[04:18] <picklesworth> So it was still downloading?
[04:18] <frybye> burner - if using the torrent... how to actually do the update???
[04:19] <burner> centaur5: if you're super cool, you use sed on your sources.list :)  "sudo sed -i 's/intrepid/jaunty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:19] <picklesworth> if so, don't worry about it; just try again a bit later and it'll pick up where it left off
[04:19] <crdlb> frybye: the update from intrepid?
[04:19] <frybye> picklesworth: it broke off with the window listing loads of packages that "cannot be authenticated..."
[04:19] <burner> frybye: can't you update via cd?  I dunno, i always use apt
[04:19] <frybye> crdlb: yes...
[04:19] <centaur5> burner: RIght, I hear that way isn't very recommended but seems like the only option.
[04:19] <crdlb> frybye: you need the alternate CD if you don't want to do a clean install
[04:20] <burner> centaur5: just as effective... go for it!
[04:20] <frybye> crdlb: how exactly to do it that way.. shove in the cd and then???
[04:21] <centaur5> burner: That's how I used to do it in the past but now I usually try the official more sophisticated methods.  :)  I'll stick to what works.
[04:22] <crdlb> frybye: there should be an option in the menu
[04:22] <crdlb> I've never done it
[04:23] <frybye> the update-manager -d just gave a different fault report - not nearly so long - apparently 2 - 3 repos could not be accessed...
[04:23] <frybye> looks like it might make sence to just try a few more times with that method till it works...
[04:25] <melik> are the nv drivers any good?
[04:25] <burner> melik: not as cool as nouveau
[04:25] <crdlb> melik: as in xserver-xorg-video-nv?
[04:25] <crdlb> it makes a good last resort
[04:25] <melik> umm not really sure, but the opensource nvidia drivers
[04:25] <melik> the official nvidia drivers act so laggy :/
[04:26] <burner> nouveau == also open source nvidia drivers
[04:26] <frybye> crdlb: now it says a couple of hash-summs are not right...
[04:26] <melik> which one is better nouveau or nv?
[04:26] <burner> usually nvidia drivers outperform nv... were you using version -180 melik?
[04:26] <melik> yeah
[04:26] <frybye> looks to me that folks are working on the repos right now...
[04:26] <melik> but still.. compared to windows nvidia drivers
[04:26] <DanaG> When the heck will nvidia make nvidia-glx-96 that don't segfault xorg?
[04:26] <melik> they seem laggy and not as efficient
[04:27]  * DanaG places a bet: never.
[04:27] <melik> DanaG, when will nvidia make some decent drivers or make their drivers open source :(
[04:27] <DanaG> Nope, they won't do either.
[04:28] <DanaG> No, we won't support this old hardware....
[04:28] <DanaG> but we won't open-source it, either!
[04:28] <crdlb> nv basically has no acceleration
[04:28] <DanaG> Screw you!
[04:28]  * burner guesses they'll open source the drivers just when nouveau development has gotten to the point where it's on par with nvidia making it unexciting to be open sourced
[04:28] <crdlb> nouveau can have really awesome 2d EXA acceleration, if it works
[04:28] <crdlb> burner: without specs, that'll never happen
[04:28] <picklesworth> it also does (or at least almost sort of does) KMS ;)
[04:29] <DanaG> Not for me.
[04:30] <DanaG> At least on the card that needs the 96 drivers.
[04:30] <DanaG> Instead, it devours 80% CPU time... AND makes 30% of my gnome panel applets not load... and hammers the hard drive.
[05:18] <billybigrigger> would it be possible for someone to package up like 10 of the top highest rated/download themes from gnome-look? like 10xWallpapers, 10xGDM Themes, 10x GTK 2.0 themes, etc...and put them in a package for us?? or is there no hope in hell of this happening? am i gonna get a "go download themes on your own" answer
[05:27] <amarendra> i installed 8.10 and then removed it as it was not connecting to wi-fi(only wi-fi is accessible to me here)....now planning to install Jaunty alpha6... i hope wi-fi connects without much headache in it as it did when i first used 7.10 and 8.04...my experience was very good
[05:28] <sparr> Finally filed a bug report for a driver bug I have seen since feisty or gutsy.  Guess I should be less lazy.
[05:29] <frybye> re: just upgraded to 9.04 cant start system|settings|sound - any ideas??
[05:30] <o0Chris0o> frybye: what do you mean you cant "start" it?
[05:30] <frybye> there is also no loudspeaker icon on the system bar..
[05:30] <o0Chris0o> frybye: make sure you do updates
[05:30] <frybye> when selecting this a tab open down the bottom of the screen with "starting sound" but it then dissapears again and nothing further happens..
[05:30] <HolyScottie> is 9.04 beta out now?
[05:31] <o0Chris0o> HolyScottie: not that I know of
[05:31] <frybye> yes holy I seem to have the beta -
[05:31] <HolyScottie> where did you get it?
[05:31] <frybye> at least when I did the update-manager -d it said I was getting the beta...
[05:31] <frybye> but beware - at my end the sound is now lousy..
[05:32] <HolyScottie> I need to DL iso's..
[05:32] <o0Chris0o> beta is not out yet
[05:32] <o0Chris0o> sorry
[05:32] <amarendra> so i guess any problem with wi-fi drivers..as was in 8.10???? on my dell vostro laptop with intel 4965 wifi
[05:42] <frybye> re: audio settings not accessable in jaunty - any tips?
[05:43] <frybye> can some kind soul tell me the consol command to start the audio- subsystem??
[05:46] <sparr> I hope KDE gets back into shape before xmas
[05:46] <sparr> i had to give out gnome-based CDs last year
[05:56] <frybye> re: in system|admin|users+groups|privaliges - the "use audio devices" for me is shaded out - not able to change here - how to fix?
[05:57] <maco> frybye: ubuntu doesnt have people in audio group by default, though kubuntu does
[05:57] <maco> pulseaudio is supposed to access the devices for you
[05:57] <maco> you *should* be able to add yourself to the audio group though
[05:57] <frybye> maco - how to do - I dont have whole lot of background ubuntu/linux knowledge..
[05:58] <maco> frybye: um...i dont know the gui way...
[05:58] <maco> want the text editor way?
[05:58] <maco> the text editor way is "sudo nano /etc/group"
[05:59] <maco> frybye: then add your username to the end of the line that starts "audio"
[05:59] <frybye> maco - I think I have found it - I needed to authenticate with pw and then I can change the settings.. c u in  amin - rebooting...
[06:00] <maco> and save/quit ctrl+o followed by ctrl+x
[06:04] <frybye> maco - I now have a loudspeaker icon but no sound
[06:05] <frybye> the ls icon only shows a single vol. control and right-click and settings does nothing...?
[06:07] <maco> alsamixer?
[06:07] <maco> in a terminal run alsamixer
[06:07] <maco> anything muted or below 75%?
[06:07] <frybye> yeah sure - did that already and all seems active...
[06:07] <frybye> not muted...
[06:08] <frybye> it is showing CA0106 as "card" - how can i check if that is right?
[06:09] <frybye> and Item "IEC958"
[06:09] <maco> can you download http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh, run it in a terminal, and give me the link it gives you?
[06:09] <frybye> hmm... IEC958 is showing just 00 and not volume grafic bar...?
[06:09] <maco> er, by the way, was pulseaudio giving you issues? why did you want to get alsa directly?
[06:11] <frybye> maco - sorry not much background knowl. here - i just moved to jaunty and the sound is not working.. I have added "access to audio devices" to my user privalages and that is where I am now...
[06:11] <maco> ok can you give me that alsa-info output
[06:11] <maco> and lets see if we can get both alsa *and* pulseaudio going for ya
[06:11] <frybye> when I clicked the url it opened openoffice with the script...?
[06:12] <maco> save it & run it
[06:12] <frybye> have saved it to the desktop - will double-clicking run it?
[06:13] <maco> in a shell please
[06:13] <maco> you cant get the url if you just double click
[06:14] <maco> cd ~/Desktop ; bash alsa-info.sh
[06:14] <frybye> it is now called alsa-info.txt
[06:14] <frybye> ok i will change the name to *.sh
[06:15] <maco> name doesnt matter
[06:15] <maco> jsut "bash" followed by the filename will do
[06:16] <frybye> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=2132d2feefde5aa1ac35d29f2fecbc69729b5b30
[06:16] <frybye> ok?
[06:17]  * maco  loks
[06:17] <frybye> unfortunatly I will have to head out to work in the next 5-10 mins .. can you be so kind as to send yours comments to my email - i will put in a pm ok?
[06:17] <maco> which device do you want to use?
[06:17] <maco> usb or onboard?
[06:18] <frybye> the creative audigy i think - (if I rememebre right...)
[06:18] <maco> ok
[06:18] <maco> then i have an idea of what could be wrong
[06:18] <maco> pm your email and ill explain
[06:18] <frybye> hang on - apples and pears.. there is a separate sound card.. and a usb-webcam-mike.. both the soundcard and the mike need to work...
[06:19] <frybye> I have disabled the onboard audio in the bios i think...
[06:19] <maco> ok
[06:20] <maco> well i meant audigy or usb
[06:20] <maco> i can explain how to direct specific apps to audigy or usb based on your preference
[06:20] <frybye> but if this is perhaps just a matter of a few mins .. i can show a little late for work - no probs - to some extent my own boss there..
[06:20] <maco> if youve got pavucontrol you should be able to grab a stream and tell it which device to use
[06:21] <frybye> they need to work parallel - the udigy is a sound card.. and the usb is just a microphone which feeds into the sound system...
[06:21] <frybye> to be honest this needs to work automatically like in 8.10
[06:22] <frybye> when I use skype etc.. the mike works and when I generate sound with the pc that comes over the sound-card+speakers - end of story.. ?
[06:22] <maco> gotcha
[06:23] <frybye> so why do you think i have no sound right now?
[06:23] <maco> well if you run pavucontrol and youve got, for example rhythmbox going, you should be able to tel it which sound device to use in the Playback tab
[06:23] <maco> im thinking it might be confused :P
[06:23] <frybye> maco - yeah but there is NO sound.. not even system sounds...
[06:23] <maco> right..im wondering if its trying to send sound *to* the mic
[06:23] <frybye> dead... so I sorta think the wrong sound device is selected or similar...
[06:23] <burner> frybye: and you have the right device selected in system ->admin-sound?
[06:24] <maco> thats what i mean by its confused
[06:24] <frybye> in admin sound no access.. hang on i try again...
[06:24] <maco> pavucontrol lets you pick where each audio stream goes
[06:24] <burner> system -> Prefs -> sound rather
[06:25] <maco> you shouldnt even need to be in the audio group if youre using pulseaudio
[06:25] <maco> what time zone are you in?
[06:25] <frybye> when i go to system/settings/sound an icon shows up at the bottom of screen with "starting audio.." for a few secs and then disapears and ntohing further..
[06:25] <frybye> berlin gmt+1
[06:25] <maco> ok so that means you get off work at...noonish my time
[06:25] <maco> can you get online when you get off work?
[06:25] <frybye> burner - right but I have no acess to that (in german system so names are different in menus - i am txing them...
[06:26] <frybye> in system - settings - sound no access - nothing happens except this tab at bottom of screen for a few secs and then nothing...
[06:26] <frybye> i can geet online at work but not with this system of course.. it is not portable.. desktop
[06:27] <frybye> i will see you there - had better get moving now..
[06:27] <maco> System -> Einstellungen -> Audio <-- thats what he means
[06:27] <frybye> bye - catch you in about 20+ mins from work - i am sorta underqualivied-underpaid sysadmin there.. school ..
[06:28] <MTecknology> ok - so at some point during the bot process, "Xorg -configure" is being run - any ideas how to figure out where?
[06:28] <frybye> maco - yeah taht is what does not work - system - einstellung - audio does not really start at all...
[06:28] <frybye> c u in a bit - bye for the moment...
[06:28] <maco> bye
[06:54] <frybye> re:
[06:55] <frybye> Hi Maco...
[06:55] <maco> gu
[06:55] <maco> hi
[06:55] <frybye> so - have you sorted it all out now <grinn->
[06:55] <maco> haha no
[06:56] <maco> i need you to run tests
[06:56] <maco> though im guessing you cant since you changed locations
[06:56] <maco> thats why i asked about when you get home from work
[06:56] <frybye> yeah but I cant do that from here.. if I had had more time I might have been able set up a ssh or similar- but .. I work for 6 hours now...
[06:56] <frybye> sorry I hadn't seen the ? - had prolly logged off..
[06:56] <armedking> Hello guys sorry to disturb you. But it the beta release yet?
[06:56] <maco> in 6 hours ill be waking up
[06:56] <maco> armedking: no
[06:57] <frybye> ok - I can live with that... ;=)
[06:57] <frybye> armed - apparently I got it here an hour ago with update-manager -d
[06:57] <frybye> am located in Germany so that might make a difference or..?
[06:58] <eMaX> hey guys, for a running x session, can I change my keyboard settings so that I have frenc accents?
[06:58] <frybye> maco - sorry dont wanna contradict you but it did announce that I was getting the beta when I did the command an hour or so ago...
[06:58] <armedking> i just cant find a download for an iso. but it's not on the site. Roadmap says it is released today
[06:58] <maco> frybye: the cds arent up yet
[06:58] <frybye> ok - I have no idea about that...
[06:59] <armedking> Oke guys i understand. Thanks for your time
[06:59] <LordKow> yikes, im going back terminal.
[07:00] <maco> eMaX: system -> prefrences -> keyboard
[07:00] <maco> eMaX: it takes effect immediately
[07:00] <eMaX> tnx
[07:00] <frybye> maco - can you perhaps send any infos about the tests etc to my email adds.. I can be having a look before I am off here...
[07:00] <maco> ok
[07:00] <frybye> thx
[07:01] <frybye> I might even be able to get my dear lady to have a session with it at home.. not sure if that is clever though heheh
[07:01] <frybye> she could give up in despair at just the wrong moment.. heheh
[07:01] <eMaX> thénks
[07:02] <o0Chris0o> jaunta beta is not out, I just tried to update
[07:03] <LordKow> i see no announcement for beta, therefore it is not released yet.
[07:03] <frybye> o0Chris0o: worked at home an hour ago - on 4 - 5th attempt..
[07:04] <o0Chris0o> frybye: you sure it wasn't for alpha?
[07:04] <LordKow> im sure he upgraded to the repos as they are right now.
[07:04] <frybye> the notification said it was offering me a beta
[07:04] <RAOF> And if you've already got jaunty installed, you won't see an update - the beta is basically making sure what you're testing already can be installed from a CD!
[07:04] <RAOF> frybye: Oh, really?  From 8.10?
[07:05] <frybye> if the warning about installing a beta is also used for upgrade to an alpha - then sorry..
[07:05] <frybye> yeah that was from 8.10
[07:05] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[07:05] <frybye> but I am in germany - time difference etc might be noticed on server or..?
[07:05] <RAOF> It's been some time since I updated from a stable release to a beta; I normally hop along at an early alpha stage :)
[07:05] <LordKow> frybye, maybe. i've never been able to get update-manager to work with pre-release repos.
[07:05] <RAOF> frybye: No.  The beta release isn't timed; it's released when it's ready.
[07:06] <LordKow> RAOF, yea well you are insane to some degree. ;)
[07:06] <frybye> well it certainly went thru the whole procedure here - on 4th or 5th attempt - first various fault reports ans shutdown - wrong hash etc.. but then it worked..
[07:06] <LordKow> i will at least wait for major lib upgrades (and all the rebuilds associated with it) to take place first. glad i waited for python 2.6 this time around.
[07:07] <frybye> RAOF: I moved to intrepid in mid- alpha.. bit of a bumpy ride.. heheh
[07:07] <frybye> but this time it seems to be the sound support has taken a hit ..
[07:07] <LordKow> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ according to that, it's not ready yet.
[07:07] <frybye> maco is helping me with it...
[07:07] <LordKow> awaiting the server tests
[07:08] <frybye> then perhaps it was the alpha6 i got and not the beta.. hmmm ...
[07:08] <frybye> but there again it did rabbit on about - "you are installing beta software.."
[07:08] <maco> probably the updater has been updated
[07:08] <RAOF> If you're updating via update-manager, then you don't get alpha6 or beta1; you get Jaunty as it is when you're updating.
[07:08] <maco> we're in beta freeze
[07:09] <LordKow> frybye, remember "alphas" "betas", etc are just snapshots of the tree so if you are using the jaunty repositories right now with all the updates then you are very nearly using the beta.
[07:09] <maco> so itd make sense that things start saying beta
[07:09] <frybye> no big deal either way..
[07:09] <frybye> i was itching to take a shot at it this morning - mia culpa when stuff dont go 101% outa the box... hehe
[07:10] <frybye> and if too many ppl sat there and waited for the final - wouldnt work either - beta is of course necessary...
[07:10] <LordKow> who wants to be the devil who sends in the libc update that breaks everyone's system this time? :)
[07:11] <LordKow> it couldnt hurt... people need to remember how to fix things via livecd's. might as well force it upon them muahahahaha
[07:11] <frybye> heheh
[07:12] <LordKow> ubuntu needs to get in the april fools game. not sure whether they have in the past or not
[07:13] <frybye> sounds dangerous... heheh
[07:13] <maco> LordKow: libc wasnt *really* the problem
[07:13] <LordKow> hm, what was the source with that problem again?
[07:13] <LordKow> i know it regressed in such a way that it looked like libc
[07:14] <maco> LordKow: it was bad default compile flags. there were weird bugs in the weeks leading up to that, and nobody could track tem down...once libc was recompiled, the pieces clicked together mentally and they knew what was wrong
[07:14] <LordKow> ah. yea with gentoo my cflags with libc were as conservative as possible.
[07:14] <LordKow> all the base libs.
[07:15] <LordKow> good april fools joke: release kernel upgrade with some script that really does nothing but looks like it is removing all filesystem support except for ext2 and downgrading everyone's filesystem to ext2.
[07:16] <zniavre> good morning
[07:16] <LordKow> g'morning.
[07:16] <zniavre> due a apt crash i need a sourcelist for jaunty somebody can post for me please?
[07:21] <LordKow> well i would send a sources.list but pastebin keeps thinking im spam
[07:21] <wgrant> zniavre: I am concerned that if you can't work it out, you shouldn't be running the pre-beta.
[07:22] <maco> zniavre: you should be able to reconfigure it in system -> admin -> software sources
[07:28] <LordKow> pbuilder is now my new virtual best friend after figuring out hooks
[07:38] <LordKow> can someone else confirm whether the links in gtk's gtk_show_about_dialog(...) are opened twice?
[07:38] <LordKow> i've noticed this with transmission and gedit so far... so i assume it's a gtk problem. not really a major issue but an issue nonetheless
[07:39] <frybye> in the various online guides to fixing sound problems in ubuntu at some stage one always has to go to |system|settings|sound - but what to do when this area is just not accessable...?
[07:40] <frybye> is there a way to re-install the packets that make that area work???
[07:40] <frybye> the menu-point is there but it does not open properly when clicked...
[07:43] <frybye> maco - if your still up and at it.. of course I am gratefull for any help you can give when I get home.. but a few questions are bugging me now and will be interesting to hear the answers to them...
[07:44] <frybye> hmmm.. appl pulse audio device chooser - might be a good idea... hjmmm
[07:46] <zniavre> wgrant:  im using this alpha since alpha1 im just asking something simple to do not spent time
[07:46] <zniavre> i get my sourcelist  thank you all if i need something now i know where i can't ask
[07:47] <zniavre> sorry to be angry :-[
[07:48] <frybye> zniavre: you need to get out more pal...! :=)
[07:50] <frybye> <-- is slowly comming to the realisation that pulse audio might actually be trying to send all my sound output to the usb-camera/microphone hehehe
[07:51] <frybye> keen to get back home and look into this.. hmmm... how to get an hour off.. hmmm
[07:51] <LordKow> can someone open up a browser window, then go to help->about in gedit (Text Editor), click on the link to the gedit website, and then tell me if it opens the link twice?
[07:52] <IntuitiveNipple> LordKow: Yes :) There's a whole bunch of issues like this in the new gtk/gdk, nautilus, and launcher
[07:53] <LordKow> IntuitiveNipple, so this is a known and reported problem?
[07:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't know about this specific one, you'd have to check launchpad
[07:54] <LordKow> i'd assume they all revolve around 1 particular issue.
[07:54] <LordKow> almost like two different packages doing the same thing
[07:54] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... a re-written back-end :) caused hell with multi screen support
[07:54] <IntuitiveNipple> If in doubt - report it
[08:01] <Laser871> hello@all
[08:08] <frybye> Hi Laser871
[08:09] <frybye> what to do when there is no access to system|settings|sound
[08:10] <frybye> if the puse audio is sending sound output to wrong device - will that cause the s-s-sound area to be not avail.?
[08:10] <frybye> e e pulse...
[08:11] <frybye> hmmm quiet here - i guess the us has gone to bed...
[08:12] <LordKow> ^ or they should be going to bed :)
[08:12]  * LordKow is trying to go to bed
[08:28] <hmw> ping
[08:29] <LordKow> pong
[08:29] <bordi> :D
[08:29] <Laser871> peng
[08:30] <hmw> i have a strange problem with the seti@home client. google results always talk about graphics not working at all, but in my case, it stopped working over night. Tried an strace, but cant make any sense of it. Could you please take a look at that "EAGAIN" of the strace and help me understand, what it is about? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1d79141f
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> hmw lol
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> seti at home :D they are using you CPU!
[08:31] <hmw> they dont want to waste a single cpu cycle and sent an update??
[08:32] <bordi> and suck your elecrtic power
[08:33] <hmw> strangely enough, since 2 days, screen is acting very strangely on my LFS server
[08:33] <hmw> if it was windows, i would think of having cought a virus
[08:34] <hmw> whatbrb
[08:34] <bordi> maybe a server problem
[08:34] <hmw> or it is my epic (irssi) client...
[08:35] <bordi> can't upload the package
[08:36] <LordKow> hmw, it's trying to read something that is being blocked (i think the error implies that)... but that is all the strace is going to tell you
[08:36] <LordKow> yes they are pretty much useless.
[08:37] <hmw> linux never gets boring
[08:37]  * DanaG thinks protein folding is far more useful than alien-fishing.
[08:37] <DanaG> s/fishing/hunting/
[08:37] <Laser871> well said, hmw...
[08:37] <DanaG> but fishing without even a lure or bait... is a better analogy.
[08:37] <hmw> heheh
[08:38] <hmw> i think, both are important
[08:38] <hmw> seti might come to an end in 2011 anyways, unless they raise new fundings
[08:39] <o0Chris0o> hmw been in existence for awhile
[08:39] <o0Chris0o> someone will lay down the $$
[08:39] <hmw> yeah... guess they will manage somehow...
[08:39] <hmw> this is the first time, i used strace and dont understand a bit of it
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> hmw: every watch that one movie with the big seti satellite? man..can't remember the name..very good movie though
[08:40] <hmw> (not that i would be very good in reading strace output generally)
[08:40] <DanaG> Contact?
[08:40] <LordKow> 16411 read(5, 0x86de818, 4096)          = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) trying to read 4096 bytes from "5" a file i take it? and storing it at 0x86de818 ....
[08:40] <hmw> "contact"?
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the satellite dish was Aricebo.
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> no, it wasn't contact....
[08:40] <hmw> yeah, aricebo might close soon
[08:41] <LordKow> and it's failing because either the file being read from or the location being written to is being blocked... i dont remember which
[08:41] <hmw> thanks for explaining
[08:41] <hmw> still doesnt help really in this case
[08:41] <LordKow> nope, thats my point
[08:42] <hmw> the client does its calculations, but the graphics window wont pop up anymore. maybe the fact, that the graphics window's border were never drawn, when it worked yesterday, is a hint?
[08:42] <LordKow> yea definitely a start. the problem is likely with the gui portion of it.
[08:42] <hmw> o0Chris0o: you sure, you meant a _sattelite_ ?
[08:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Those -EAGAIN errors simply mean the pipe it is connected to doesn't have any new data available yet
[08:43] <DanaG> Actually, it was a radio receiver (dish).
[08:43] <DanaG> Observatory.
[08:43] <hmw> this pipe could be a connection between program and GUI?
[08:43] <GrimmVarg> hi guys, im having a hard time finding the 9.04 beta download, can anybody please point me in the right direction?
[08:44] <hmw> type /topic
[08:44] <hmw> GrimmVarg
[08:44] <GrimmVarg> hmw: hehe.. ty
[08:45] <hmw> yw
[08:45] <IntuitiveNipple> hmw: yes, the pipe could be. hard to know without looking back through the strace log for the actual 'open' operation on fd 5
[08:46] <Laser871> grrr - made a persistent installation on a usb-stick, replaced nm by wicd. everything fine til a reboot. hangs on configuring network interfaces...
[08:46] <hmw> alright... i will take a look... maybe i can solve this
[08:46] <IntuitiveNipple> GrimmVarg: I'll answer here before you get told off in the other channel... YES
[08:46] <Laser871> livesystem still is fine, but nm don't detect wlan...
[08:47] <o0Chris0o> hmw: yes, I can't remember the movie, the guy finds signs of life in another planet and his boss ruins the tape, then he eventually builds everything from scratch in his garage to find that noise again
[08:47] <GrimmVarg> IntuitiveNipple: :P
[08:47] <frybye> re:
[08:47] <Laser871> and no /etc/modules to edit with ath5k (necessary in 8.10)
[08:48] <hmw> o0Chris0o i have seen that movie...
[08:48] <frybye> so trying again .. after upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 my sound has gone .. and cannot access system|settings|sound - what to do to fix this??
[08:48] <o0Chris0o> yeah I can't seem to rememebr the name, its quite bothering
[08:50] <IntuitiveNipple> frybye: Try launching it from a terminal to see if errors are reported. "gnome-sound-properties"
[08:51] <frybye> ok - will try it when I get home... thanks
[08:51] <hmw> would "open("/usr/share/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 5" apply to what you meant, IntuitiveNipple?
[08:51] <frybye> IntuitiveNipple: would the pulse audio being addressed to wrong device disable that?
[08:52] <IntuitiveNipple> hmw: It *might* but be aware that file-descriptors are reused after files are closed, so the way to be sure is to search from the *end* of the strace back up to find the open related to the fd 5 you're questioning
[08:52] <IntuitiveNipple> frybye: possibly, but the application shouldn't just fail to start, it should sanely report the problem via the GUI
[08:52] <hmw> IntuitiveNipple: there are many similar entries using 5...
[08:53] <IntuitiveNipple> hmw: Yes, that is common. the first available fd is used
[08:53] <IntuitiveNipple> As I said, always search from the end of the strace backwards
[08:53]  * o0Chris0o bangs head
[08:54] <frybye> IntuitiveNipple: all that happens is a tab shows for a while at bottom of screen "starting sound.." and then dissapears again and nothing further..(man oh man i am getting on  my own nerves with this.. hehe)
[08:54] <IntuitiveNipple> frybye: yeah, you'll likely find out why from terminal
[08:55] <IntuitiveNipple> frybye: also worth checking the .xsession log and /var/log/user.log and so on
[08:55] <frybye> still starting it in the terminal is the way to go - i just have to invent a reason to take a couple of hours off work now..heheh
[08:55] <hmw> IntuitiveNipple: libltdl.so.7... but i guess, this problem is somewhat above my level, i give up this time.
[08:55] <IntuitiveNipple> hmw: sure about that? i'd have expected it to be a pipe based on the 'select'
[08:55] <frybye> - on a job exper. scheme from the labour office - not a real job - should be possible.. heh
[08:56] <hmw> every entry with open looks like accessing files in the fs
[08:56] <frybye> see you guys later... bye for now..
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple> hmw: I don't think it is that one...
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple> A small library that aims at hiding the various difficulties of
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple>  dlopening libraries from programmers.  It is a system independent
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple>  dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool.
[08:57] <hmw> the one i showed before was just an example, because i didnt know, if the = 5 refers to the fd... on the other hand, it looks quite logical now *g*
[08:58] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[09:09] <GrimmVarg> MacbokkPro + Ubuntu9.04 should i choose x86 or the 64bit install?
[09:10] <GrimmVarg> and more importantly, why?
[09:15] <mtholdenss> jaunty beta tomorrow?
[09:15]  * b3rz3rk3r waits with baited breath
[09:16] <b3rz3rk3r> ?
[09:16] <GrimmVarg> i though it was today? ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[09:16] <GrimmVarg> *thougt
[09:17] <b3rz3rk3r> thought*
[09:17] <b3rz3rk3r> :p
[09:17] <GrimmVarg> :P
[09:17] <GrimmVarg> i hate that word, hehe
[09:17] <Machtin> guess in some countries it's still 25.03?
[09:17] <GrimmVarg> ah..
[09:18] <mtholdenss> well i guess here in australia were a day ahead so it'll probs be some late hr tonight or tomorrow
[09:18] <GrimmVarg> anybody have any experience with ubuntu+macbookPro?
[09:18] <b3rz3rk3r> 2.18am mar 26th here in cali
[09:18] <Machtin> i don't.
[09:18] <b3rz3rk3r> so should be out by now?
[09:19] <Machtin> it's not that it would be released at 0:00
[09:19] <mtholdenss> grimmvarg, when jaunty comes out i plan to dual boot on my new alum nacbook :P
[09:19] <mtholdenss> macbook*
[09:19] <Machtin> at some point today it will be released.. :)
[09:19] <GrimmVarg> mtholdenss: nice, thats my plan aswell, Im just not sure if I should choose the 64-bit
[09:20] <b3rz3rk3r> GrimmVarg, me either, really want to, but due to past experience with 64 bit linux, im very wary
[09:20] <mtholdenss> yeah same
[09:20] <Machtin> how much ram does that macbookpro have?
[09:21] <GrimmVarg> it shippes with 2 Gb but u can upgrade to 6
[09:21] <Machtin> kk
[09:21] <b3rz3rk3r> 6?
[09:21] <Machtin> unless you got 4gbyte, why using 64bit?
[09:21] <mtholdenss> i would use ubuntu for my main os, and osx for my visual/audio/web design editing  i have 4 gb of ram in my new macbook
[09:21] <b3rz3rk3r> 2x3GB?
[09:21] <GrimmVarg> 2+4
[09:21] <b3rz3rk3r> ah
[09:22]  * b3rz3rk3r slaps himself with a trout of stupidity
[09:22] <GrimmVarg> :P
[09:22] <Machtin> good ol' trout.
[09:22] <b3rz3rk3r> surely that ruins your speed tho?
[09:22] <b3rz3rk3r> cos its not a matched pair?
[09:22] <GrimmVarg> its not the best sollituin no
[09:22] <b3rz3rk3r> loss = 10% approx?
[09:22] <mtholdenss> 4 gb of memory in macbook be enough?
[09:22] <GrimmVarg> yupp
[09:23] <thorre> seems lik if the beta is coming shortly ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[09:23] <Machtin> 10%? O.o thought that would be much less.
[09:23] <b3rz3rk3r> if you need more than 4Gb of RAM in a lappy, your doing something wrong imho
[09:23] <b3rz3rk3r> unless its your only machine, then u are forgiven :p
[09:24] <b3rz3rk3r> Machtin, i say approx, because some claim its more, some less..
[09:24] <GrimmVarg> does anybodu know if we can swap between Graphic cards in 9.04?
[09:24] <b3rz3rk3r> nobody has shown concrete figures about it yet
[09:25] <GrimmVarg> b3rz3rk3r: http://www.barefeats.com/mbpp11.html
[09:26] <Machtin> however i'd use 64bit for those visual/audio-editing stuff.. a lot of RAM could be very useful
[09:26] <mtholdenss> what are the major disadvantages of using 64 bit?
[09:27] <GrimmVarg> unstability?
[09:27] <b3rz3rk3r> unusability more like.. i used 64bit with 7.04.. nothing worked! :p
[09:28] <b3rz3rk3r> GrimmVarg, wow.. they say no penalty there!
[09:28] <o0Chris0o> 64bit will only work if you have a 64bit processor, lets say you have 8 gigs of ram you can upgrade too, it wont register in 32bit, 64bit will
[09:29] <mtholdenss> intel core 2 duo, i was told 64 bit os will run on it
[09:30] <b3rz3rk3r> we were talking about the software side of things o0Chris0o
[09:30] <b3rz3rk3r> mtholdenss, yes, that is an AMD64 chip
[09:30] <GrimmVarg> mtholdenss: that correct
[09:30] <o0Chris0o> b3rz3rk3r: I am running 64bit, and everything is running smoothly
[09:30] <o0Chris0o> Sysinfo for 'Chris-PC': Linux 2.6.28-11-generic running , CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad-Core at 1200 MHz (4600 bogomips), HD: 98/1368GB, RAM: 967/4894MB, 171 proc's, 1.18h up
[09:31]  * o0Chris0o has to get to bed
[09:31] <mtholdenss> to those running on ubuntu on a mac, having any big issues with hardware?
[09:31] <maco> im not doin it, but i recall that there are big ssues with jaunty on macs
[09:31] <b3rz3rk3r> o0Chris0o, yeah, we were talking about the compatability side of things, in previous versions things wouldnt install/run at all. so we are all a little apprehensive about using an EXT4 64bit system now :p
[09:32] <GrimmVarg> mtholdenss: i guess this sis status que befor the beta https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-1_5-2/Jaunty#Basic%20Installation%20Instructions
[09:34] <GrimmVarg> bah.. over the anchor
[09:39] <mtholdenss> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/   not found
[09:40] <GrimmVarg> guess its not ready yet
[09:40] <thorre> hmm, im waiting for the 9.04 beta to, going to reinstall my netbook with it
[09:40] <mtholdenss> thorre, is that safe?
[09:40] <thorre> i guess so
[09:41] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:41] <thorre> 9.04 is stable as far as i am concerned, have been using it on other (non critical) machines since alpha 4
[09:41] <BUGabundo> GrimmVarg: thorre why don't you guys donwload the current daily image and then rsync to the beta one?
[09:41] <thorre> there have been some minor glitches but nothing severe, just my oppinion
[09:42] <BUGabundo> it should only be available late tonight
[09:42] <BUGabundo> thorre: most sever prob currently is audio on 64bits install, I would think
[09:42] <dan-ubuntu> when's the beta coming out guys?
[09:43] <thorre> BUGabundo: ok, well i run 9.04 on a 64 bit machine and it works great, use it for playing with gimp, firefox thunderbird vim and so on,
[09:44] <mtholdenss> thorre, notice a big speed change with the 64 bit version?
[09:44] <BUGabundo> its a bit faster
[09:44] <BUGabundo> but not that faster
[09:44] <BUGabundo> at least on my pumped hw
[09:44] <thorre> the machine has 8GB of ram, i have not had a 32-bit os on it since i upgraded the ram
[09:44] <BUGabundo> a c2d 2.4GHz with 4GBs of RAM
[09:45] <thorre> BUGabundo: i guess that you will not notice the difference onn normal use
[09:46] <BUGabundo> I haven't use a 32 bits in a while (over an year)
[09:46] <Ienorand> Is the exclusion of the "patch" package on the livecd intentional?
[09:47] <thorre> BUGabundo: you add quite some overhead to your machine by installing a 64 bit os
[09:47] <crdlb> Ienorand: I believe so
[09:47] <thorre> guerby: each mem pointer for example is 64-bit instead of 32-bit. so your machine will consume more memory
[09:47] <BUGabundo> thorre: why is that?
[09:47] <thorre> but that is al theoretical
[09:47] <GrimmVarg> good point
[09:48] <BUGabundo> yes, but without a 64 bits (or PAE) I wouldn't have access to the all memory anyway
[09:48] <BUGabundo> so im convinced that this way I use my mem better
[09:48] <thorre> BUGabundo: in normal day to day use with mail web and youtube you wont notice any difference between 32 or 64 bit os
[09:48] <BUGabundo> tell that to $ free -m
[09:48] <BUGabundo> at boot I usually take more then 1GB of ram
[09:48] <thorre> BUGabundo: yes, you use all your memory, if i had a 4 gb machine i would also use a 64 bit os
[09:49] <BUGabundo> after starting my email client, IM, FF, etc
[09:49] <BUGabundo> I go way above that
[09:49] <thorre> BUGabundo: we are not talking about ubuntu now? are we? 1 gig after boot?
[09:49]  * crdlb thinks BUGabundo is including the cache
[09:49] <thorre> do not forget to remove the file cache from that figure
[09:49] <thorre> :)
[09:49] <BUGabundo> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:49] <BUGabundo> Mem:          3895       2536       1359          0         33        917
[09:49] <BUGabundo> -/+ buffers/cache:       1584       2310
[09:49] <BUGabundo> Swap:         7632          0       7632
[09:50] <thorre> BUGabundo: nice
[09:50] <BUGabundo> 917 MiBs of cache
[09:50] <thorre> guess that you have a lot of services like sql and stuff running on that machine then
[09:50] <BUGabundo> hmm actually they are all stoped
[09:50] <BUGabundo> but I have them installed
[09:51] <BUGabundo> maco ping (pvt me when you have the time)
[09:51] <mtholdenss> hey anyone here know if there is a dedicated mac ubuntu channel?
[09:51] <GrimmVarg> yeah, that would be the shoznit
[09:51] <BUGabundo> $ ls /var/run/ | pastebinit -i - ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/138109/
[09:52] <BUGabundo> thorre: feel free to check running services
[09:52] <thorre> BUGabundo: top (when top is started press SHIFT+m to sort by memory usage)
[09:52] <BUGabundo> huuu I have connman there! bah
[09:52] <crdlb> mtholdenss: if you're not using PPC, what would be the point?
[09:52] <BUGabundo> Mem:   3988968k total,  2961656k used,  1027312k free,    57644k buffers
[09:52] <BUGabundo> Swap:  7815612k total,        0k used,  7815612k free,  1063760k cached
[09:53] <thorre> BUGabundo: press SHIFT+M
[09:53] <BUGabundo> did it
[09:53] <thorre> what is the top rocess displayed in the top list after you pressed SHIFT+M
[09:53] <thorre> s/rocess/process/g
[09:54] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-bugabundo%7E.png
[09:55] <thorre> i just checked my netbook, it runs 9.04 ;) with standard gnome, firefox thunderbird gnome-do and uses 269 mb of ram
[09:55] <crdlb> O_o
[09:55] <mtholdenss> crdlb, my macbook is intel  but just wanted to help the ubuntu mac testing team
[09:55] <BUGabundo> thorre: atop http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-bugabundo%7E2.png
[09:55] <GrimmVarg> has anybody compared speeds on ext4 to reisersFs on / ?
[09:55] <crdlb> mtholdenss: I wasn't aware there was such a thing
[09:56] <crdlb> I mean, it's just commodity PC hardware :)
[09:56] <BUGabundo> GrimmVarg: isn't riser jailed?
[09:56] <GrimmVarg> BUGabundo: yeah
[09:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[09:56] <GrimmVarg> but his FS rocks
[09:56] <GrimmVarg> :P
[09:56] <mtholdenss> crdlb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam
[09:56] <BUGabundo> I won't use an FS without support and fixs
[09:56] <GrimmVarg> point
[09:56]  * thorre has converted from xfs to ext4
[09:57] <thorre> seems faster
[09:57] <GrimmVarg> sweet
[09:57] <GrimmVarg> im looking forward to testing ext4
[09:57] <thorre> have not performed any tests
[09:57] <GrimmVarg> phoronix has been testing and it seems to be a lot faster
[09:57] <BUGabundo> I like xfs
[09:57] <BUGabundo> only prob can't resize down...
[09:59] <mtholdenss> much difference with ext4?
[10:00] <crdlb> BUGabundo: heh, you're using gnome, firefox, kmail, and mono
[10:00] <rconan> right... amarok asked me if i wanted kde4 to forget a sound card I had removed and now it makes no sound through the one it used to use
[10:00] <rconan> where are the settings to do with this?
[10:00] <crdlb> that pidgin looks rather scary though
[10:00] <BUGabundo> crdlb: I found it really funny when I reported bug to pidign
[10:01] <BUGabundo> and devs would say they never saw anyone with so many plugins as I have
[10:01] <crdlb> does that number steadily rise?
[10:02] <frybye>  Pulseaudio device chooser shows as a tab at the bottom of the screen for a few seconds - and that too then dissapears with no trace???
[10:02] <BUGabundo> no
[10:02] <crdlb> that has to be quire a memleak
[10:02] <BUGabundo> actually its going down
[10:02] <crdlb> quite*
[10:02] <BUGabundo> I need it working
[10:03] <frybye> re: apparently non of the various sound related utilities will work - what now?
[10:04] <GrimmVarg> BUGabundo: have you looked at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810 ?
[10:14] <rconan> hmm... people seen this? http://rafb.net/p/on4u5x67.html
[10:14] <BUGabundo> rconan: maybe its stull building
[10:14] <BUGabundo> or it's a bad depency
[10:14] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: do you know anything about this package?
[10:14] <rconan> kolourpaint4 will install fine
[10:15]  * BUGabundo checks build queue
[10:15] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=kolourpaint4&build_state=all
[10:15] <BUGabundo> it aint there
[10:16] <rconan> just updating package lists now... I think mine might be from yesterday
[10:17] <Brinstar> is the beta out today?
[10:17] <rconan> yes, at some point
[10:17] <rconan> no guarantess if or when
[10:17] <Brinstar> YAY
[10:17] <mtholdenss> the mad rush and excitement begins !
[10:17] <Brinstar> :)
[10:17]  * BUGabundo loves to use $ pidgin -m -n
[10:18] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: it Will be out
[10:18] <BUGabundo> just not sure when
[10:18] <Brinstar> im looking fwd to it
[10:18] <BUGabundo> just get a daily iso and then rsync
[10:18] <Brinstar> !rsync
[10:18] <Brinstar> nor do i
[10:18] <Brinstar> :P
[10:18]  * BUGabundo doesn't get the need to just use milestones when dailies are 80% the same
[10:18] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: rsync is a tool to copy and mirror files/dirs
[10:18] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: to test the installers
[10:19] <BUGabundo> it can be used to feel in the gaps
[10:19] <rconan> I like to install from milstones because the installer has been tested
[10:19] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: im googling now
[10:19] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: then they should be on #ubuntu-testing
[10:19] <Brinstar> ditto what rconan said
[10:19] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: here is some of my older scripts for ubuntu isos
[10:19] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[10:20] <Brinstar> hmm so thats like slipstreaming in the windows world
[10:20] <Brinstar> cool
[10:21] <Brinstar> i asked about if such a thing exists a few years back but got a reply in the negative
[10:21] <BUGabundo> I almost never get the full image
[10:21] <BUGabundo> I just rsync over the one I have here
[10:22] <BUGabundo> saving me bw, and time
[10:22] <Brinstar> i pay a flat rate so i just d/l the iso
[10:23] <Brinstar> and i go and do other stuff while its d/ling
[10:24] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: I have no probs with bw either
[10:24] <BUGabundo> but why overload the server ?
[10:24] <thorre> bit torrent is the answer you are looking for
[10:24] <Brinstar> true
[10:24] <thorre> i downloaded the alpha 5 via bt and it took me just over 1 minute to get the iso
[10:24] <Brinstar> wow
[10:25] <thorre> then i seeded 5.0
[10:25] <BUGabundo> thorre: really nice bw! ehe
[10:25] <BUGabundo> I can't do that
[10:25] <Brinstar> yeah ur swedish just as i thought :)
[10:25] <thorre> haha
[10:25] <BUGabundo> I can only go up too 1MiB/s
[10:25] <thorre> to be honest that download was wrom work
[10:25] <Brinstar> hehe
[10:25] <thorre> at home i "only" have 15 Mbit
[10:26] <Brinstar> even my work bw maxes out at 1MB/s
[10:26] <Brinstar> i.e. 10mbit
[10:26] <Brinstar> or maybe 8mbit
[10:26] <cwillu> hmm
[10:26] <cwillu> week for beta, I think it's pretty much time to break my main desktop :p
[10:27] <thorre> cwillu: i guess you wont break it with 9.04 beta
[10:27] <BUGabundo> I have 18mbit/s  at work
[10:27] <thorre> the alpha is quite stable
[10:27] <Brinstar> yeah very
[10:27] <cwillu> well
[10:27] <cwillu> been running it on my laptop for 5 months
[10:27] <cwillu> 'stable', I wouldn't quite call it that :p
[10:27] <amortvigil> hello is jaunty already beta?\
[10:27] <cwillu> not yet
[10:27] <rconan> buggy and not ready are words I would use
[10:27] <thorre> well, maybee not 5 month ago but now it is
[10:28] <Brinstar> only prob is sound for me
[10:28] <cwillu> thorre, it wasn't 2 weeks ago even :p
[10:28] <rconan> anyone got any advice for making KDE apps make sound?
[10:28] <cwillu> really depends on the hardware, but it's been better since the freeze
[10:28] <Brinstar> sound is still messing up
[10:28] <cwillu> intel video was a roller coaster
[10:28] <thorre> cwillu: i have been using 9.04 since early alphas and have not had any problems, guess that i am lucky
[10:28] <amortvigil> anyone got simmular problems of kde freezing randomly?
[10:28] <thorre> i do not upgrade every day thoug
[10:29] <cwillu> thorre, yes, I think that's what I said :p
[10:29] <thorre> cwillu: yea
[10:29] <cwillu> amortvigil, particular apps, a full x freeze, or the whole machine?
[10:29] <Brinstar> the sound is better than about a week ago tho
[10:30] <amortvigil> cwillu: from the app and x too the numloc key and hard reboot
[10:30] <amortvigil> cwillu: well the hard reboot is to fix it
[10:30] <cwillu> amortvigil, sorry, I don't understand
[10:30] <cwillu> numlock/capslock didn't toggle?
[10:30] <amortvigil> cwillu:  yes
[10:30] <amortvigil> cwillu: full machien crash
[10:30] <cwillu> amortvigil, that's not kde then
[10:31] <cwillu> what video chipset?
[10:31] <amortvigil> cwillu: well when i have gnome or xubuntu installed ive no problem
[10:31] <amortvigil> i have nvidia 180 driver
[10:31] <cwillu> (anything that causes a full crash isn't an application bug by definition)
[10:32] <cwillu> well, file a bug, you'll need the lspci -v, xorg's log, maybe /var/log/kern.log
[10:32] <amortvigil> cwillu: well it indeed isnt an aplication because it happens randomly
[10:32] <BUGabundo> cwillu: better yet
[10:32] <BUGabundo> use apport-cli -fp PACKAGENAME
[10:32] <amortvigil> ill fill a report
[10:32] <BUGabundo> yesterday gwibber crash rebooted my system
[10:33] <BUGabundo> so anything can happen now
[10:33] <cwillu> thorre, see?  instability! :)
[10:33] <BUGabundo> ehe
[10:34] <Vorbote> Digging in kern.log(s) I've found that pulseaudio has a terrible memory leak. It makes oom-killer very happy.
[10:34] <Brinstar> !gwibber
[10:34] <Brinstar> nvm googled it
[10:34] <Vorbote> as in tigger happy. :-)
[10:35] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: it's a Social Network and µblogging app
[10:35] <Vorbote> s/tigger/trigger/ but yup it could happen in the one-hundred-acre wood...
[10:35] <Brinstar> thanks
[10:36] <gnomefreak> !info gwibber
[10:36] <Brinstar> oh
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i guess not
[10:36] <Brinstar> !info hotbabe
[10:36] <Brinstar> why not
[10:36] <sandeep> :P
[10:36] <Vorbote> Too hot fer ya.
[10:37] <Brinstar> hehe
[10:37] <cwillu> Vorbote, the process that oom-killer kills isn't necessarily correlated with the application causing the problem;  if it's repeatable, you should monitor the memory usage via top ('F'+'n' to sort by memory usage)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> Brinstar: noone packaged it for Ubuntu
[10:37] <Brinstar> !info hot-babe
[10:37] <Brinstar> yeah
[10:38] <thorre> !info hotkeys
[10:38]  * cwillu comes up with a witty comparison to rice-cakes
[10:38] <thorre> :)
[10:38] <cwillu> and the relative lack of taste thereof
[10:38] <amortvigil> cwillu: what means: Mar 25 22:43:27 edlap kernel: [ 1871.016888] Too big adjustment 32
[10:38] <amortvigil> ?
[10:38] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: its on medibuntu #hotbab
[10:38] <Vorbote> cwillu: The logs all point to a pulseaudio problem. In fact, this box dies whenever I play some audio file.
[10:38] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu
[10:39] <Laser871> pooh - got my persistent installation on an usb-stick with wicd running...
[10:39] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: thats what i thought
[10:39] <rconan> "Package taste not found in rice-cakes" I imagine
[10:39] <cwillu> amortvigil, you can't just paste in one line, pastebin the entire file
[10:39] <Vorbote> cwillu: for a reasonable amount of time.
[10:39] <cwillu> !pastebin | amortvigil
[10:39] <cwillu> Vorbote, okay, then file a bug :)
[10:39] <amortvigil> cwillu: ok well i was only curious what the to big adjustment means
[10:39] <Vorbote> cwillu: On the double.
[10:39] <BUGabundo> we guys are going to kill ubottu factoids today! eheh
[10:39] <BUGabundo>  !beta
[10:39] <cwillu> amortvigil, probably depends on the context of the log
[10:40] <Brinstar> Vorbote: what sound card do u have?
[10:40] <cwillu> amortvigil, I think it may just be an ntp adjustment, but it's almost impossible to tell from just one single line of the log
[10:40] <mtholdenss> why wasn't 'hot-babe' included?
[10:40] <amortvigil> cwillu: ok
[10:40] <gnomefreak> if it keeps up people will start leaving here. if you want to play with the bot join #ubuntu-bots
[10:40] <Brinstar> mtholdenss: probably bcos some parent complained :)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> mtholdenss: its not packagd for ubuntu
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Brinstar: nope
[10:41] <Vorbote> Brinstar: It is a Realtek for Via integrated chipset. A VT8233 controller if memory serves.
[10:41] <hetauma> beta will be out later on today?
[10:41]  * BUGabundo checks out #ubuntu-bots
[10:41] <gnomefreak> there has not been a wishlist bug filed on it and noone worked on it
[10:42] <BUGabundo> hetauma: eventually
[10:42] <hetauma> sweet
[10:42] <Brinstar> Vorbote: i used to have that or something similar
[10:42] <cwillu> hetauma, it'll be out before the end of next month :p
[10:42] <hetauma> hehe
[10:42] <rconan> funny no-one uses the "it's delayed an hour every time you ask" argument on the beta
[10:43] <gnomefreak> count on it tomorrow
[10:43] <cwillu> ... we revert one bug fix every time somebody asks
[10:43] <Brinstar> gnomefreak: i think it'll be here today, they've been punctual so far
[10:44] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: pontual? I haven't seen on come out before 20H GMT yet
[10:44] <BUGabundo> lol
[10:44] <Laser871> Brinstar: what timezone?*g*
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Brinstar: today is reltive
[10:44] <BUGabundo> ok... that is punctual then
[10:44] <hetauma> does it support ext4 with new installation?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Brinstar: your time zone is not the timezone they go on
[10:44] <gnomefreak> hetauma: it give syou a choice. ext4 is drfault
[10:45] <Brinstar> usually they release the date they set themselves
[10:45] <Brinstar> or so i have noticed
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ext3 is default
[10:45] <Laser871> btw. hi gnomefreak
[10:45] <Brinstar> maybe i wasnt keeping a good enough eye on them :)
[10:45] <hetauma> gnomefreak, is ext4 reported to be buggy or something?
[10:45] <Brinstar> hetauma: im running ext4, not had a single problem so far
[10:46] <gnomefreak> Brinstar: with in 24 hours. cant say when it will be released since you dont know if there are any issues with the images
[10:46] <Brinstar> yeah
[10:46] <mtholdenss> is the new theme and background art supposed to be released in this beta?
[10:47] <hetauma> the release in cdimage will be also available in torrent I hope
[10:47] <hetauma> mtholdenss, I think yes since artwork deadline was couple of days back
[10:47] <mtholdenss> sweet!
[10:47] <Brinstar> does anyone use cairo clock?
[10:48] <Brinstar> it used to work w/o compiz, now its a requirement argh
[10:48] <hetauma> kubuntu 9.04 will have default kde4 ?
[10:49] <cwillu> Brinstar, afaik it always required a compositor of some kind (which includes metacity these days, although metacity's isn't turned on by default I don't believe)
[10:50] <Brinstar> cwillu:  hmm does that mean i can install metacity and run it w/o compiz?
[10:50] <Brinstar> my gfx card is too weak for compiz
[10:50] <Brinstar> im on a netbook
[10:50] <cwillu> what card is it?
[10:50] <BUGabundo>  !torrent
[10:50] <BUGabundo>  !torrents
[10:50] <Brinstar> intel gma950
[10:50] <cwillu> any intel chipset should handle compiz fine
[10:50] <BUGabundo> cwillu: Brinstar it does! I just did it yesterday
[10:50] <Brinstar> it does, but when i play games it gets laggy
[10:51] <BUGabundo> will pretty much EVERY effect
[10:51] <cwillu> Brinstar, you're playing games on a netbook and complaining about the card being too slow for compiz? :p
[10:51] <Brinstar> cwillu: hehe, true
[10:51] <Brinstar> cwillu: im trying to cut down on the gaming, and use it for work
[10:51] <cwillu> Brinstar, turning on 'unredirect fullscreen windows' might help with that
[10:52] <Brinstar> even now, just turning on 'normal' compiz effects made the fan turn on
[10:52] <mtholdenss> brinstar, how much ram you got?
[10:52] <Brinstar> cwillu: sorry to be a donut, but wheres the setting for that
[10:52] <Brinstar> 1gb mtholdenss
[10:53] <cwillu> make sure you have ccsm installed
[10:53] <Brinstar> !info ccsm
[10:53] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: donnut? is there one?
[10:53] <BUGabundo> I haven't seen it
[10:53] <Vorbote> Oh well, I bite the dust once again. :-)
[10:53] <BUGabundo> compizconfig-settingmanager
[10:54] <amortvigil> cwillu: lspic -v: http://pastebin.com/f7eb96034 kern: http://pastebin.com/f2ab597dd xorg.0.old: http://pastebin.com/f68e3f12b
[10:54] <cwillu> amortvigil, that goes in the bug report
[10:55] <amortvigil> cwillu: and the bug report is on launch pad?
[10:55] <cwillu> yes
[10:55] <Brinstar> actually i was playing urban terror yesterday on this just to check how capable it is, and i did pretty well
[10:55] <amortvigil> cwillu: bcus i cant see errors( i am a lil noobisch )
[10:55] <Brinstar> on the lowest res
[10:56] <Brinstar> urban terror is awesome
[10:56] <BUGabundo> saubern based on cube2 engine is great too
[10:57] <amortvigil> BUGabundo: both urban terro and saurbraten are based on cube 2
[10:57] <Brinstar> urban terror is a better-than-CS CS
[10:57] <BUGabundo> didn't know that amortvigil
[10:57] <amortvigil> there is also an rpg based on cube2 in development
[10:57] <Brinstar> ok i thought UT was based on the Q3 engine
[10:58] <Brinstar> how do i enable metacity?
[10:58] <Brinstar> i seem to have it installed
[10:58] <Brinstar> i just want to run cairo clock without needing compiz
[10:59] <fosco_> Brinstar: to use metacity run metacity --replace
[11:01] <Brinstar> fosco_: thanks
[11:01] <ruthgard> amortvigil, what is the rpg called?
[11:01] <cwillu> amortvigil, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/270798 might be related.  might be worth rebooting with clocksource=jiffies on the kernel line in grub.
[11:02]  * Vorbote will brb
[11:05] <amortvigil> ruthgard: not sure anymore i think its link is on the cube2 site
[11:05] <amortvigil> ruthgard: remember its in development im not sure if its playable already
[11:06] <Brinstar> whatever display manager is already in use didnt seem to like me replacing it with metacity :-S
[11:07] <cwillu> Brinstar, metacity --replace
[11:07] <amortvigil> cwillu: did you got that from my logs?\
[11:07] <Brinstar> cwillu: i did that
[11:07] <Brinstar> it messed up the menus
[11:07] <cwillu> amortvigil, no, I'm looking at your computer from the window :p
[11:07] <Brinstar> gnome do has an analog clock i think
[11:08] <amortvigil> cwillu: well hehe im 1 story high so youll must be a tall person
[11:08] <cwillu> good climber :p
[11:08] <cwillu> amazing typing skills too
[11:08] <amortvigil> heheh :)
[11:08] <amortvigil> telepatic he?
[11:09] <mint3> can anyone help
[11:10] <mint3> just installed jaunty
[11:10] <mint3> it did warn me bout fglrx
[11:10] <Brinstar> anyone want to play a game of urban terror
[11:10] <mint3> but when it loads the screen has lines
[11:10] <mint3> i cant see nothing
[11:11] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: at work... can't... don't want to much anyway
[11:11] <Brinstar> hehe no prob
[11:11] <BUGabundo> mint3: you should have read the release notes
[11:11] <Brinstar> i have a day off
[11:11] <BUGabundo> it states you should try -ati driver (opensource version)
[11:11] <BUGabundo> instead of closed source
[11:11] <amortvigil> cwillu: for as i can see my dmesg it could be the right thing indeed! im going to edit grub right away!
[11:12] <BUGabundo> mint3: reboot into recovery console (on grub) and run XFIX
[11:13] <amortvigil> brb!
[11:14] <cwillu> BUGabundo, ah, the memories
[11:14] <cwillu> I can remember when you were asking why nvidia wasn't working in an alpha :p
[11:15] <mint3> i did BUGabundo
[11:15] <mint3> does the same thing
[11:16] <BUGabundo> cwillu: at leasted I learned something heh
[11:16] <BUGabundo> cwillu: no I just sing along music and broadcast it to the web...
[11:16] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:17] <mint3> BUGabundo, any ideas
[11:17] <BUGabundo> mint3: guess you are going to need to get baby steps help with some on to change
[11:17] <BUGabundo> xorg to either use -ati or vesa
[11:17] <mint3> i cant see anything how can i type, BUGabundo ?
[11:18] <BUGabundo> not even TTY?
[11:18] <mint3> i tried xfix like u had said
[11:18] <mint3> then normal boot
[11:18] <mint3> again i had those lines
[11:18] <Brinstar> mint3: i sympathize, ati are the worst for ubuntu (or linux generally)
[11:18] <mint3> I didnt know :(
[11:19] <Brinstar> you learn through bitter experience like me :(
[11:19] <mint3> yes true
[11:19] <mint3> anyways to fix it
[11:19] <Brinstar> they are getting better though
[11:19] <mint3> if i can see at least i can do something bout it
[11:19] <Brinstar> to their credit
[11:19] <mint3> sure i understand that
[11:20] <Brinstar> mint3: what card do u have?
[11:20]  * cwillu didn't realize ati's driver supported xorg1.6 officially yet
[11:20] <mint3> radeon x1650
[11:20] <mint3> series
[11:20]  * BUGabundo woot ! mic work on flash 64bits and PA!!!
[11:21] <Brinstar> does that work in intrepid?
[11:21] <mint3> it worked in 8.10
[11:21] <Brinstar> yeah thought so
[11:21] <mint3> i upgraded from 8.10
[11:21] <Brinstar> if i were you, wait a few hours till the beta is out
[11:21] <Brinstar> and try again
[11:21] <mint3> ok
[11:21] <mint3> thanks Brinstar :((
[11:22] <mint3> im so lonely :(
[11:22] <Brinstar> i think they sorted out the cards in this version
[11:22] <Brinstar> i.e. beta
[11:22] <mint3> do u know when its out Brinstar
[11:22] <Brinstar> hey dont be lonely :)
[11:22] <Laruft> I so miss konversation client, can I just go and apt-get it?
[11:22] <Brinstar> few hours
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Laruft: yet
[11:22] <Brinstar> maybe 6 hrs im guessing
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Laruft: yes
[11:22] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: we are on freeze
[11:22] <cwillu> !alpa
[11:22] <cwillu> !alpha
[11:22] <BUGabundo> no changes are going in into beta
[11:23] <Laruft> what are the implications in running it gnomefreak?  and amarok too
[11:23] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: I would bet on 10-12h more
[11:23] <gnomefreak> Laruft: you will get a few qt libraries with it and so other things related to kbuntu
[11:23] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: the version hes using is the one without the ati stuff
[11:23] <BUGabundo> if he just updates
[11:23] <Brinstar> added in
[11:23] <BUGabundo> he will be like anyone else
[11:23] <Brinstar> but if he cant see what to update then how can he
[11:23] <BUGabundo> TTY? sure he can
[11:23] <Brinstar> yeah
[11:23] <Brinstar> guess so
[11:24] <Brinstar> i would just wait personally
[11:24] <BUGabundo> as long as he has wired
[11:24] <gnomefreak> few == not sure how many. Laruft if you run apt-cache show it should tell you all the depends
[11:24] <BUGabundo> start recovery consolse with "root network"
[11:24] <BUGabundo> apt-get update
[11:24] <Laruft> gnomefreak, when konversation supports 4.2, will the older libs eventually be removed?  I don't want to clog up my system
[11:24] <BUGabundo> do-release-upgrade
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Laruft: apt-cache show konversation
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Laruft: not sureit depends on who the lib is versioned
[11:25] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: yeah he could try that i suppose
[11:25] <Laruft> i need to read up on this, re: package management and good housekeeping
[11:25] <flips01> after switching to classic view on jaunty UNR, my windows still gets maximized when I launch something. I suspect maximus is the program doing this ... what's the default/correct way to disable it?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Laruft: deborphan there are a few other apps that can clean up system with your intervention
[11:25] <Brinstar> hes gone now anyway
[11:26] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: ahh I was going to ask who _he_ was
[11:26] <Brinstar> mint3
[11:27] <BUGabundo> ah
[11:27] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:30] <flips01> btw, is there a toggle titlebar function in gnome/metacity? (except fullscreen)
[11:32] <mint3> i can log on to netroot
[11:32] <mint3> xfix does *not* fix anything :/
[11:32] <BUGabundo> mint3: can or can't?
[11:32] <mint3> i can get to netroot
[11:33] <mint3> but after that, its just scattered lines
[11:33] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:34] <BUGabundo> so even TTY is damaged
[11:34] <BUGabundo> the I guess u need a live cd/usb
[11:34] <BUGabundo> and then chroot into it
[11:35] <Brinstar> or u cud just wait a few hours :P
[11:35] <hmw> aah... beta coming today?
[11:35] <Brinstar> hmw: yes it seems that way
[11:35] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[11:35] <BUGabundo> mint3: ^^^^^^
[11:36] <hmw> i am already happily jackalopping
[11:36] <BUGabundo> ppl please get the daily and then rsync it!
[11:36] <BUGabundo> no need to wait for beta
[11:37] <hmw> i've heard about that "toggle titlebar" function the first time yesterday. what is it?
[11:38] <flips01> the ability to turn of the titlebar of windows, it's available in other window managers, at least
[11:38] <Laruft> how do i rsync?
[11:39] <hmw> interesting feature... wouldnt have imagined, that someone could want that... interesting though
[11:39] <gnomefreak> Laruft: rsync --help
[11:39] <mint3> :/
[11:39] <gnomefreak> Laruft: there are alot of options for it
[11:39] <Laruft> also how would i add firefox to kubuntu jaunty - whats the best practice - (sorry if this is faq)
[11:39] <hmw> yesterday someone had a problem with his "toggle titlebar" function, so there must be such a function, flips01
[11:40] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: that will give him enouth to read for a week
[11:40] <BUGabundo> at least I did!
[11:40] <gnomefreak> Laruft: sudo apt-get install firefox you may also what firefox-gnome-support yes i know its on kde not gnome but it sometimes helps with issues even on kde
[11:40] <amortvigil> cwillu:  i think it works!
[11:40] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[11:40]  * cwillu pokes amortvigil with a stick :p
[11:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: dont know why he needs it
[11:40] <BUGabundo> hmw Laruft ^^^^^^
[11:40] <Vorbote> Does the alternate installer handle root partitions on ext4?
[11:40] <cwillu> Laruft, just apt-get install firefox
[11:41] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: 'cause I keep mentioning it
[11:41] <Laruft> ta bug
[11:41] <BUGabundo> Vorbote: it should
[11:41] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: sorry respinnning sunbird for PPA not really watching too much here
[11:41] <BUGabundo> eehh
[11:42] <hmw> BUGabundo: i dont need the beta, as stated, i am already having a nice jaunty up and running
[11:42] <Laruft> cheers guys
[11:42] <hmw> its so fast!!
[11:42] <BUGabundo> hmw: usefull for when final comes out
[11:42] <amortvigil> cwillu: but it is to be awaited if it realy works
[11:42] <BUGabundo> or any other iso
[11:42] <hmw> i bookmared it, though. cool hint, thx
[11:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: and uploading jauntys icon fix to PPA
[11:42] <Vorbote> BUGabundo: Great, I will need to reinstall this box with an alternate CD. For some reason the alpha 6 live CD botched important files in /etc
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and LWN is next :)
[11:43] <Vorbote> I had to reintall a bunch of base debs in the following days. Need a clean install to have peace of mind :-)
[11:43] <BUGabundo> Vorbote: please check always MD5 for isos
[11:44] <BUGabundo> and even possible test the burned image
[11:44] <BUGabundo> 40% of bugs on LP are due to corrupted cd/packages installs
[11:44] <Vorbote> BUGabundo: always do. (Being using Linux since Autumn of '91 :-;)
[11:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:44] <BUGabundo> me since 94
[11:45] <BUGabundo> and full time ubuntu since 6.06
[11:45] <BUGabundo> brb gonna it something
[11:45] <BUGabundo> hope not many ppl will hook up to my webcam now
[11:45] <hmw> i am still not 100% happy with linux, as i seem to have bad luck with my hardware
[11:46] <hmw> but with jaunty almost everything works except skype
[11:46] <gnomefreak> hmw: whats wrong with skype
[11:46] <hmw> sound breaks after few seconds
[11:46] <miik> totem is buggy, when i play music, it gets laggy and dont hear music
[11:47] <hmw> sound broke when playing videos in 8.10 on this computer
[11:47] <miik> then i close it, and open it again
[11:47] <miik> and then it works
[11:47] <miik> hmw, this channel is for 9.04 not 8.10
[11:47] <gnomefreak> hmw: i mean outside of being in repos
[11:47] <gnomefreak> hmw: AFAIK we dont package skype so everything works fine would be the right phrase :)
[11:47] <hmw> heheh. right
[11:48] <BUGabundo> hmw skype wasn't recording for me
[11:48] <BUGabundo> but I have 64 bits
[11:48] <gnomefreak> hmw: 8.10 is supported in #ubuntu
[11:48] <hmw> i just need it for all my friends refuse to move away from skype. argh
[11:48] <hmw> gnomefreak miik read again, what i wrote
[11:48] <amortvigil> cwillu: welll it works but now my whole x session is unstable:P
[11:49] <amortvigil> like it just starts to flicker once in a while instead of freeze:p
[11:49] <amortvigil> it is an improvement anyway!
[11:49] <gnomefreak> hmw > sound broke when playing videos in 8.10
[11:49] <gnomefreak> thats your comment
[11:49] <miik> why when i start, my volume is on 10% or something and on mute?
[11:49] <miik> even if i close computer with 100% volume
[11:50] <hmw> did you notice the tense? i said that to make clear, that with jaunty, my sound card works better than before
[11:50] <miik> why moblin takes 2 secs to boot and ubuntu long time?
[11:50] <miik> why ubuntu dont have good ati drivers with open source 3d? ubuntu needs hier 10000 chinese ppl for $1/day, so we can have good programmer fast
[11:51] <gnomefreak> hmw: in that comment it wasnt said. as i told BUGabundo before i cant sit here and watch the channel since im working on sunbird so i may catch some things not others
[11:51] <hmw> alright. just ignore me unless you see a question mark
[11:51] <miik> why nobody put songbird in repo??????????
[11:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:52] <miik> ubuntu need make slave factory in africa with 1000000 people
[11:52] <miik> who can package new stuff into repo
[11:52] <sandeep> ..
[11:52] <miik> free software means that people should work for free in a slave factory
[11:52] <HammerHead66> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html  ur missing take off
[11:53] <gnomefreak> miik: its not ready for Ubuntu upstream has alot of work to do before we can include it and they seemed to have stopped working on it for some reason
[11:53] <miik> HammerHead66, live?
[11:53] <HammerHead66> ﻿miik: yes
[11:53] <miik> gnomefreak, aff. :( but i want it in repo, i can download it from getsongbird website, so i should be able get it from repo too, i think
[11:54] <miik> why always when i watch porno website, it has flash movie and then firefox crash??
[11:54] <Vorbote> milk: You won't see songbird packaged in any distribution that takes library management seriously anytime soon. They use a modified Xulrunner runtime that conflicts with the one used by Firefox, Thunderbird and other consumers (you of course, can install the upstream binaries somewhere and use the thing at your leisure).
[11:55] <miik> firefox becomes gray, and i must close it, and open it again, it piss me off
[11:55] <gnomefreak> miik: we have it in fta's ppa or mozillateam PPA but as i said it isnt fied but should work. one minute and ill cheack the PPA its in
[11:55] <HammerHead66> lmao don't watch porno get a girl
[11:55] <miik> girl?????????? how can i get a girl?? i dont even know how to talk a girl
[11:55] <miik> girls are scary, im very scared to approach a girl
[11:55] <hmw> download a gif (girl in file)
[11:56] <Brinstar> lol
[11:56] <gnomefreak> miik: ots in fta's ppa but there is no promise it will work and dont file bugs on it
[11:56] <miik> like if i say "hi" they say "uhm...  hi?" then i just run away
[11:56] <HammerHead66> the more you go and talk to girls the easier it gets
[11:56] <gnomefreak> guys lets take that else where and stay on topic of support
[11:56] <HammerHead66> lol
[11:56] <hmw> !ot
[11:56] <miik> well, they should have a support channel for girls
[11:56] <HammerHead66> lol
[11:56] <miik> cuz i need support on that topic, cuz its difficult
[11:57] <gnomefreak> !ot5ot
[11:57] <miik> one time i had a friend and she was a girl, and i asked her if girls and guys can just be friends??
[11:57] <gnomefreak> !ot4ot
[11:57] <gnomefreak> hmmmm did it forget the factoid :(
[11:57] <Pici> miik: Enough
[11:57] <miik> :(
[11:57] <miik> its true
[11:58] <HammerHead66> ﻿miik: start an IRC channel
[11:58] <miik> its a stupid thing to ask a female friend
[11:58] <miik> oh
[11:58] <Pici> miik: We don't care. This is an UBUNTU support channel.
[11:58] <miik> ubuntu means humanity towards others!! so it must help with girls too!! support for girls!!
[11:58] <gnomefreak> either way start in #ubuntu-offtopic than i would find another place since you are likely to be removed from ot with that subject
[11:58] <miik> :(
[11:58] <Brinstar> lol
[11:59] <miik> but i did nothing! :(
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Pici: sorry im lagging here
[11:59] <Pici> gnomefreak: no worries
[11:59] <Brinstar> he has a good point
[11:59] <miik> anyone who want to discuss girls, can join #girls
[11:59] <Brinstar> haha
[11:59] <miik> i have a good point!!
[11:59] <HammerHead66> lmao
[11:59] <hmw> mv miik /dev/null pls
[11:59] <Brinstar> yes u do
[11:59] <miik> thanks :D
[11:59] <BUGabundo> miik: please take a time out!
[11:59] <Brinstar> ubuntu = humanity to others
[11:59] <gnomefreak> miik: please dont push your luck in here
[11:59] <miik> ok
[11:59] <BUGabundo> go look at the window or something
[11:59] <BUGabundo> then came back
[11:59] <miik> i use ubuntu cuz im a wigger
[12:00] <miik> and windows is for white folks
[12:00] <BUGabundo> miik stop
[12:00] <BUGabundo> thanks gnomefreak.... he was even worse them me :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: he did
[12:01] <gnomefreak> this upload is going to fail i guess i will try again later this morning or tomorrow
[12:01]  * gnomefreak be back
[12:05] <Brinstar> what a character
[12:07] <BUGabundo> he wouldn't shut up, not even after 3 kicks
[12:07] <BUGabundo> and several users requests
[12:07] <Brinstar> yes but he made me laugh :)
[12:08] <BUGabundo> but was OT
[12:08] <BUGabundo> on a busy channel
[12:08] <Brinstar> yeah
[12:08] <BUGabundo> now its much quiter
[12:08] <Brinstar> hehe
[12:08] <Brinstar> bring him back then
[12:08] <BUGabundo> I have no prob with ppl going OT when its calm and ppl don't abuse
[12:08] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: hm?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> but like he was doing? nadd over the head
[12:08] <BUGabundo> hey Hobbsee
[12:08] <Hobbsee> heya
[12:09] <BUGabundo> you are not going to tell me I'm like that too
[12:09] <Brinstar> hehe
[12:09] <BUGabundo> already apologized to two ubuntu members today
[12:09] <BUGabundo> do I need to make that 3?
[12:09]  * BUGabundo shuts up
[12:09] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  The nutcases are out again today, apparently
[12:09] <hmw> LIFTOFF
[12:10] <Brinstar> lol
[12:10] <flips01> hmw: they could have been using a different wm, though ...
[12:28] <BUGabundo> what? no one asking when beta comes out in 20 min? it's a record!
[12:28] <Brinstar> haha
[12:28] <Brinstar> whens the beta out?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> never!
[12:28] <BUGabundo> heh
[12:29] <BUGabundo> will jump directly to RC
[12:29] <Brinstar> great
[12:29] <Brinstar> is that today?
[12:29] <BUGabundo> nope
[12:29] <BUGabundo> you missed it
[12:29] <BUGabundo> it was 2 days ago
[12:29] <Brinstar> lol
[12:29] <Brinstar> guess i will have to switch back to xp now
[12:29] <BUGabundo> ahah
[12:30]  * BUGabundo was going to make a joke on win8 but better not! #OT
[12:33]  * hmw dares to click "update"
[12:33] <BUGabundo> hmw bad "dare" most of us are alpha testers!
[12:34] <Brinstar> i dare about 10 times a day :P
[12:35] <hmw> huh... still no updates? didnt get any since yesterday, and the last was an update for the updater
[12:35] <BUGabundo> hmw beta freeze
[12:35] <Brinstar> yeah
[12:35] <BUGabundo> nothings coming in today
[12:35] <BUGabundo> until tomorrow
[12:35] <hmw> beta freeze?
[12:35] <hmw> they busy or just holding back for a while?
[12:36] <b3rz3rk3r> wait? no beta today?
[12:36] <hmw> well... i doubt, that my sound card will work perfectly soon anyways
[12:36] <b3rz3rk3r> iv been waiting for it!! :(
[12:37] <Brinstar> hehe @ BUGabundo
[12:37] <BUGabundo> hmw: have you tried dtchen kernel image?
[12:37] <hmw> nope?
[12:38] <hmw> kernel image? sounds easy to use...
[12:38] <BUGabundo> hmw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007501.html
[12:39] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[12:39] <BUGabundo> get all the files for your arch
[12:39] <BUGabundo> check sig
[12:39] <BUGabundo> and dkpg -i linux*.deb
[12:42] <hmw> why do i need to checksum, when its transferred via tcp anyways? i am slightly confused
[12:42] <BUGabundo> never trust no one!
[12:43] <hmw> i decide not to trust that checksum
[12:43] <BUGabundo> hehe
[12:43] <BUGabundo> it would be nice if dtchen put them on a PPA
[12:43] <Finnish> Kompozer in not working in jaunty. Are there any other "good" options for making homepages?
[12:43] <shrewdy> hey all, just checking, are the jaunty repositories giving lots of 403 errors for everyone else and just basically not functioning at the moment ?
[12:44] <hmw> Finnish: vi? hmm...
[12:44] <Finnish> ?
[12:44] <hmw> nah... i was silly, forget it.
[12:45] <BUGabundo> Finnish: NVU ?
[12:45] <aredg> is 9.04 beta still on track for today?
[12:45] <Brinstar> Finnish: bluefish
[12:45] <BUGabundo> shrewdy: I have heard reports of some mirrors having trouble
[12:45] <BUGabundo> can you change your mirror and test again?
[12:46] <shrewdy> bugabundo, thanks for the info, i've tried a couple of mirrors, in Australia
[12:46] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[12:46] <BUGabundo> and Main?
[12:46] <shrewdy> i'll give some other mirrors a go :)
[12:46] <shrewdy> main for australia....
[12:46] <BUGabundo> no
[12:46] <BUGabundo> Main as in Canonical Main
[12:46] <BUGabundo> archive.ubuntu.com
[12:46] <Finnish> Brinstar: I'll have a look at that
[12:46] <shrewdy> i'll sync to that
[12:46] <shrewdy> ta
[12:46] <Brinstar> sure
[12:46] <BUGabundo> but since australia as so much bw probs
[12:47] <BUGabundo> its not a safe bet for all time
[12:47] <hmw> hopefully brb after reboot
[12:49] <shrewdy> bw problems bugabundo ?
[12:49] <BUGabundo> bandwidth
[12:50] <shrewdy> are we having bandwidth problems ?
[12:50] <shrewdy> i wasn't aware... lol
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:50] <shrewdy> hi...
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> is the beta ISO out yet?
[12:51] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I think this one's yours :)
[12:51] <Pici> It will be in the topic when it is.
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> nice
[12:51] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: lol he broke the record
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> cos its 26th March here, 13 hours in too
[12:52] <shrewdy> this is from trying to sync with the main repository (same issue): "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  403 Forbidden"
[12:52] <BUGabundo> shrewdy: I don't know! I keep hearing about Auz users saying that there link to mainland is slow
[12:52] <BUGabundo> shrewdy: you forget "public" in there
[12:52]  * BUGabundo checks own script
[12:52] <shrewdy> public?
[12:53] <shrewdy> i just told software sources to use the main server
[12:53] <shrewdy> thats auto generated line
[12:53] <IntuitiveNipple> shrewdy: I get 404 Not Found
[12:53] <BUGabundo>  rsync -zvvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso /home/bugabundo/temp/OS_isos/
[12:54] <BUGabundo> or 64bits
[12:54] <Vorbote> Naughty, naughty. If you use -z you are overloading the poor server.
[12:54] <BUGabundo> time nice -n 15 rsync -zvvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso ~
[12:54] <BUGabundo> am I?
[12:54] <hmw> darn.... the new kernel didnt help me :(
[12:54] <IntuitiveNipple> shrewdy: oh, I think the 404 is because the URL reported wasn't complete
[12:54] <BUGabundo> Vorbote: why?
[12:54] <Cycom> wo what does the beta release hold that's different?
[12:55] <Cycom> so*
[12:55] <BUGabundo> hmw: file a bug
[12:55] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp pulseaudio
[12:55] <BUGabundo> and also attach link for alsa test script
[12:55] <BUGabundo> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[12:55]  * BUGabundo should start wrinting bot factoids
[12:55] <shrewdy> cool, i get 403 permission denied,
[12:55] <hmw> i only have a slight idea, what exactly i should do
[12:55] <BUGabundo> Pici: how would I get more factoids in?
[12:56] <hmw> you can suggest new factoids ...
[12:56] <IntuitiveNipple> shrewdy: what does a web browser show you http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/
[12:56] <BUGabundo> Cycom: diff from what??
[12:56] <Vorbote> BUGabundo: It has to compress everything before sending it out. Imagine hundreds of barbarians at the gates (like you and I) rsyncing with compression enabled and imagine what can happen. Besides, debs are lzma compressed these days arent they?
[12:56] <Pici> !usage > BUGabundo
[12:56] <shrewdy> nipple, i can browse that folder
[12:56] <BUGabundo>  0% [                                                                                                     ] 5,305,150    807K/s  eta 14m 26s
[12:56] <shrewdy> i can even download the packages
[12:57] <BUGabundo> I can get it IntuitiveNipple
[12:57] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: if you try to add one we will get it and we decide if we want to add it
[12:57] <hmw> crap intel ac97
[12:57] <BUGabundo> Pici: thanks
[12:57] <hmw> i dont even see any errors in the logs anymore... thats odd
[12:57]  * gnomefreak goes back to work 
[12:57] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: but of course
[12:57] <BUGabundo> just usuall questions like links and stuff
[13:00] <hmw> could that indicate a problem: "pulseaudio[3276]: alsa-util.c: Device front:0 doesn't support 44100 Hz, changed to 48000 Hz." ?
[13:00] <hmw> its the only sound related thing in syslog left
[13:00] <BUGabundo> hmw: please file a bug as requested
[13:00] <hmw> before i used to have some POLLERR
[13:00] <BUGabundo> only then the audio team can help you out
[13:00] <hmw> apport to be called as user?
[13:00] <BUGabundo> Vorbote: : will remove -z from my scripts then
[13:00] <BUGabundo> hmw: yes
[13:00] <BUGabundo> hmw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-March/027868.html
[13:00] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp pulseaudio
[13:00] <BUGabundo> should do it
[13:09] <legodude> is X crashing on resume from suspend a known bug?
[13:09] <Vkongen> is it coming a ati propetary driver for x1600 series in jaunty?
[13:10] <legodude> and, if not, what special information should I include with the bug report?
[13:11] <BUGabundo> lunch. bbl
[13:11] <GrimmVarg> hi, I just installed 9.04 on my macbook pro and as expected, there is no sound.. anyone no about a fix for this?
[13:11] <GrimmVarg> *know
[13:11] <TheInfinity> GrimmVarg: play with alsa intelhda sound options :)
[13:11] <hmw> i still would like to know, if that 44800Hz thing is something serious or just informative
[13:12] <hmw> maybe thats the reason for scrambled sound? (using pulse, skype doesnt stop, but its unusable)
[13:13] <ruthgard> Is it known what time the beta will be put up for download?
[13:13] <Pici> When its done testing.
[13:14] <Vkongen> in april :)
[13:14] <Vkongen> 9 - 2009 04 - April
[13:14] <Vkongen> oh i thought the final
[13:14] <Vkongen> sry
[13:18] <ruthgard> Pici so no time is set then? Only during this day :) I will check back tomorrow then
[13:18] <GrimmVarg> TheInfinity: i`ll look at those, how about right-clicks?
[13:19] <Pici> ruthgard: exactly
[13:19] <Vorbote> hmw: having a sampling rate of 48000KHz is not a problem, unless your audio hardware doesn't work with it. In that case it is a problem with alsa and/or pulseaudio quirks.
[13:21] <shrewdy> if the repositories are working fine for all of you i seem to have an issue, whereby the automatically generated repo list is faulty.... or something
[13:22] <shrewdy> can someone pastebin me a working sources list ?
[13:22] <Brinstar> if i have been updating my alpha 6 regularly as soon as updates appeared, do i have the beta already in some way?
[13:22] <Brinstar> or will i?
[13:26] <Pici> Brinstar: Yes.
[13:26] <Pici> !final
[13:26] <Brinstar> kewl
[13:34] <david_> amarok is really not working in jaunty heh
[13:42] <hmw> puh... filing bugs is actually real work *g*
[13:54] <hmw> i sent the bug report, but the only information, apport seems to have added, is a list of loaded libraries. Did I do something wrong, or is it meant to be like that?
[14:02] <hmw> vorbote
[14:04]  * BUGabundo is back
[14:04] <hmw> BUGabundo pls look at my last message (6 lines above)
[14:05] <BUGabundo> hmw: that's what apport does
[14:05] <BUGabundo> please add also $ apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[14:05] <BUGabundo> and
[14:05] <hmw> i added lspci output. should i do more?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy alsa-utils
[14:05] <hmw> thx
[14:05] <BUGabundo> did you run the alsa.sh script?
[14:05] <Vorbote> hmw: ???
[14:05] <hmw> no. i am so clueless
[14:06] <hmw> Vorbote: BUGabundo already answere my question
[14:06] <Vorbote> hmw: OK :-)
[14:09] <BUGabundo> hmw: did you run the alsa.sh script?
[14:09] <hmw> no
[14:09] <hmw> i dont seem to have such a script
[14:09] <BUGabundo> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[14:09] <BUGabundo> wget it
[14:09] <BUGabundo> chmod +x
[14:09] <BUGabundo> run it , and add the link result to the bug
[14:09] <BUGabundo> then ping dtchen with the bug report. he should be around later (19h GMT)
[14:11] <thewrath> does nayone know if the issues wtih broadcom wireless cards fixed in Januty final?
[14:12] <hmw> alright... looks like quite a detailed bug report now. thx!
[14:12] <thewrath> hmw: you talkiong to me or whom>
[14:13] <thewrath> bug 305907
[14:13] <hmw> no, i was talking to bugabund
[14:13] <Pici> !who
[14:13] <thewrath> oh ok
[14:14] <thewrath> thank you Pici
[14:14] <thewrath> Pici: are you aware of that?
[14:14] <thewrath> or anything about that?
[14:15] <Pici> thewrath: Which?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> thewrath: haven't seen much fuss about broadcom recently
[14:15] <BUGabundo> Pici: broadcom cards.
[14:15] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907
[14:15] <BUGabundo> thewrath: does it get detected for you ?
[14:16] <thewrath> yes
[14:16] <thewrath> its the issue of complete system freeze
[14:16] <HolyScott> Good morning, and sign of beta's yet?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> thewrath: on jaunty????
[14:16] <thewrath> all versions of ubuntu
[14:16] <BUGabundo> HolyScott: NO. should be latter tonigt
[14:17] <thewrath> the oen person who i thought was a high ranking person requset that it be fixed in jaunty final release
[14:17] <BUGabundo> thewrath: only know two reasons:
[14:17] <BUGabundo> bad hw or kernel using the wrong driver
[14:17] <BUGabundo> you are going to need someone from kernel team
[14:17] <BUGabundo> maybe apw is around
[14:18] <BUGabundo> too soon for leann
[14:18] <thewrath> BUGabundo: know when the beta will be released tonight?
[14:18] <BUGabundo> noone knows
[14:18] <thewrath> ok
[14:18] <thewrath> but definately today?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> its one of those things: it will be when it gets there
[14:19] <thewrath> ok
[14:19] <BUGabundo> thewrath: on what timezone? mine?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:19] <thewrath> gmt -5
[14:19] <BUGabundo> Thu Mar 26 14:19:41 UTC 2009
[14:19] <thewrath> oh ok
[14:19] <thewrath> you are in UTC time
[14:20] <BUGabundo> actuall GMT
[14:20] <thewrath> waht does the netsplit mean
[14:20] <thewrath> never understood that
[14:21] <BUGabundo> humm network split.
[14:21] <BUGabundo> thewrath: there are several servers combined to create a bigger network
[14:22] <BUGabundo> sometimes one or more losses conection with the others. users on one of those servers won't reach the otheres
[14:22] <thewrath> ok
[14:22] <hmw> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[14:23] <hmw> huh... i have to re-login now?
[14:23] <hmw> grr
[14:23] <BUGabundo> no
[14:23] <BUGabundo> the server does it
[14:23] <hmw> it just asked me to nickserv identify myself
[14:23] <thewrath> as well as I
[14:26]  * Vorbote reminds you guys to change the server port to 8001 if you are kicked out by excess flooding.
[14:29] <crankharder> er, so now all proxy settings are through gnome?
[14:30] <hmw> alright... who is still here? *g*
[14:30] <hmw> quite some
[14:30] <thewrath> i am
[14:31] <BUGabundo> me
[14:31] <BUGabundo> 213 and growing
[14:31] <thewrath> BUGabundo: you still there?
[14:31] <BUGabundo> many more then it used to be for ibex
[14:32] <BUGabundo> thewrath: think so... can you see this?
[14:32] <thewrath> yes
[14:32] <BUGabundo> then I am
[14:32] <thewrath> BUGabundo: so i need to talk to apw or leann about my issuese to see if it will be fixed
[14:32]  * aredg does the magic dance to get the new beta released
[14:32]  * PhotoJim waves... at work so not paying 100% attention :)
[14:33] <apw> thewrath, ?
[14:33] <thewrath> oh apw
[14:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:33] <thewrath> hold on let me give you a link
[14:33] <BUGabundo> that was fast
[14:33] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907
[14:33] <thewrath> will that bug be fixed in jaunty
[14:33] <thewrath> i know alot of people wnat it to
[14:33] <thewrath> BUGabundo:  told me i will have to tlak to a person with the kernal
[14:34] <BUGabundo> apw: ^^^^^^^^^^
[14:35] <BUGabundo> thewrath: don't forget to use the person nick or they won't know you are talking to them
[14:35] <apw> its not on our radar thats for use
[14:35] <apw> sure
[14:36] <thewrath> apw: why is it not ont he radar
[14:36] <apw> have you any idea how many outstanding bugs there are?
[14:37] <BUGabundo> ahahahaha
[14:37] <thewrath> iw as just wondering
[14:37] <thewrath> they proably
[14:37] <thewrath> are
[14:37] <thewrath> i undrestand
[14:37] <BUGabundo> apw: no! how many ?
[14:37] <thewrath> apw: if i get jaunty back on thsi computer
[14:37] <thewrath> the instruction http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php could you help me with that
[14:37] <apw> BUGabundo, infinity as far as it appears from here
[14:37] <thewrath> bc i am completely lost with it
[14:37] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:37]  * apw looks at it
[14:38] <BUGabundo> thewrath: I think its better for you to not go outside of ubuntu repos
[14:38] <thewrath> i have never done this to fix it
[14:38] <thewrath> that is the only fix atm
[14:38] <thewrath> unless i have to wait for the respositories to update
[14:38] <BUGabundo> apw: looks like google mail ad: infinity +1
[14:38] <thewrath> how often do they update
[14:38] <apw> do who  update what?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> apw kernel drivers
[14:39] <thewrath> apw:  the updated driver and the patch that are on that page apparently is the fix
[14:39] <thewrath> but i am having an issue with that
[14:39] <apw> they get updated each release for definate, and others when bugs are filed and fixed
[14:39] <thewrath> apw: could you help me with this?
[14:39] <thewrath> hopefully later on today?
[14:40] <apw> depends where i am and when, always worth trying
[14:40] <thewrath> o0k
[14:40] <thewrath> atleast taht you are willing to work with me
[14:41] <thewrath> probably will be someone time here in the next hour
[14:43] <apw> thewrath, do you have test environment for htis
[14:43] <thewrath> yes
[14:43] <thewrath> i am doing everything through wubi
[14:44] <BUGabundo> that reminds me of something.... lets go to devel
[14:45] <HammerHead66> ﻿hate88: sorry your on your own man
[14:46] <thewrath> apw:  that good
[14:46] <thewrath> ?
[14:48] <apw> thewrath, thats fine.  i wanted to know you'd be in a position to test
[14:48] <apw> should anyone make a fixed package
[14:49] <BUGabundo> someone should let freenode admins kill holmes
[14:51] <BUGabundo> anyone here can help me test/debug PA and flash?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> can't post live links on the #
[14:52] <BUGabundo> Pici`: do you have voice on #freenode?
[14:53] <fliegenderfrosch> the beta isn’t out yet. is it? (I’m probably not the first one to ask this...)
[14:53] <thewrath> apw: i could test a little bit
[14:53] <thewrath> brb
[14:53] <thewrath> i have a metting/away meeting
[14:53] <Pici`> BUGabundo: Do you mean to ask if I'm a freenode staffer?
[14:54] <thewrath> what would you need to test out
[14:54] <BUGabundo> Pici`: just wanted to know if there's something they can do to fix holmes server from so many splits
[14:55] <BUGabundo> fliegenderfrosch: for the Nss time today. NO
[14:55] <crankharder> er, so now all proxy settings are through gnome? -- how can I set up a proxy just for pidgin?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> it should be latter on
[14:55] <BUGabundo> crankharder: isn't there a setting on pidgin it self?
[14:55]  * BUGabundo checks
[14:55] <Pici`> BUGabundo: They're aware of the issues.  Anyone can join #freenode, you could ask there yourself.
[14:55] <crankharder> BUGabundo: not anymopre
[14:55] <BUGabundo> Pici`: I can't! no voice there
[14:56] <Pici`> BUGabundo: You don't need voice to talk in that channel.
[14:56] <BUGabundo> crankharder: I can!
[14:56] <Pici`> Anyway, this is getting offtopic.
[14:56] <crankharder> BUGabundo: you haven't updated then
[14:56] <BUGabundo> Pici`: strange! got a notice tellling me I couldn't
[14:56] <BUGabundo> crankharder: running lastest updates ehehe
[14:57] <BUGabundo> Pici`: /me gets on topic again
[14:57] <crankharder> BUGabundo: I updated last night and now in pidgin under proxy server & browser I get:  "Proxy configuyration program not found. -- "proxy and browser preferences are configured in GNOME preferences"
[14:57] <BUGabundo> are you talking on Accounts?
[14:57] <crankharder> Network tab
[14:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[14:58] <BUGabundo> a leftover from windows maybe?
[14:58] <crankharder> ah, i see in account settings -- I don't remember my old settings, it blew them away from the network tab
[14:59] <crankharder> I do ssh -d 8080 myhouse - and use that connection
[14:59] <ali1234> you can set up a proxy for each account but the ability to have a proxy for all of pidgin is only available in the windows version
[14:59] <crankharder> that's gotta be some socks connection?
[14:59] <ali1234> ssh -D is sock5
[14:59] <crankharder> what do I put in user/password in the proxy settings -- i dont remember doing that before -- previously just told it localhost:8080
[15:00] <crankharder> er something
[15:00] <ali1234> just leave it blank
[15:01] <crankharder> thanks guys :)
[15:01] <crankharder> I can continue bashing work at work now
[15:11] <cyberix> I haven't received any notifications since upgrading to Jaunty
[15:11] <cyberix> What packages are required?
[15:12] <Pici> cyberix: notify-osd
[15:12] <cyberix> notify-osd is already the newest version.
[15:12] <cyberix> :-/
[15:14] <BUGabundo> cyberix: check if you have ubuntu-desktop metapackage installed too
[15:14] <cyberix> yep
[15:14] <cyberix> it is installed
[15:16] <cyberix> notify-send foo bar
[15:16] <cyberix> does nothing
[15:16] <cyberix> how can I debug this further?
[15:16] <apw> thewrath, ok ... just checked lrm and the broadcom driver has been updated to the one requested with the patch, that happened 3 days ago, it is planned for upload once beta is out of the door
[15:17] <apw> thewrath, so there is probabally no point in doing anything within a week you should have an official update for it
[15:18] <aredg> does anyone know if the atheros ar242x will be supported in jaunty, in intrepid i had to install the intrepid-backports-modules for it to work
[15:18] <BUGabundo> thanks apw
[15:19] <BUGabundo> I'll let him know when he comes back
[15:19] <BUGabundo> aredg: well ask apw since he is already here!
[15:19] <aredg> ah, hes the man to ask?
[15:20] <aredg> apw, do you know if the atheros ar242x will be supported in jaunty, in intrepid i had to install the intrepid-backports-modules for it to work
[15:20] <apw> aredg, well the linux-backports-module is basically identicle in intrepid and jaunty, so even if you need backports you should have it in jaunty
[15:20] <aredg> oh ok thanks
[15:20] <aredg> its because the ath5k driver isn't loaded i believe
[15:21] <apw> i think there is better support for athXk in the main kernel, but its still a rapidly developing driver
[15:21] <apw> and likely backports will still be required
[15:21] <aredg> k
[15:22] <aredg> i'm thinking of trying the beta today, had a lot of instability with intrepid, hoping jaunty fixes a lot of that, heard great things
[15:22] <apw> its looking pretty good today
[15:23] <aredg> i'm guessing a few more hours until release
[15:28] <PhotoJim> considering jaunty is still technically an alpha, I've found it to be really working well.
[15:28] <aredg> well, technically beta :p
[15:29] <PhotoJim> I had an issue getting wifi working on my Acer AspireOne netbook.  but I had the same issue with Intrepid anyway.
[15:29] <PhotoJim> True.  although I've had it on my AA1 for almost a month.
[15:30] <BUGabundo> PhotoJim: yeah known prob
[15:31] <BUGabundo> you need the driver for it
[15:31] <BUGabundo> guess I'll go quiet here and let apw answer one more time! eheh
[15:31] <aredg> lol
[15:33] <PhotoJim> BUGabundo: I got it working via blacklisting.  but it would definitely be good if we can get it friendlier for the n00bs.
[15:34] <apw> PhotoJim, there is a kernel you might want to test posted on bug #319825
[15:37]  * BUGabundo bookmarks that bug
[15:38] <PhotoJim> apw: oh, ok.  I'll check that out.  thanks.
[15:39] <BUGabundo> apw: will that be in the release notes?
[15:39] <apw> BUGabundo, what be?
[15:42] <BUGabundo> apw: the bug for aspire one hw
[15:43] <apw> no point in release noting it, if that patch fixes
[15:43] <cyberix> I found the problem
[15:44] <cyberix> Notifications are only started with the default windows manager
[15:44] <cyberix> I'll file a bug within seconds
[15:44] <BUGabundo> cyberix: and what is yours?
[15:45] <cyberix> xmonad
[15:45] <BUGabundo> compiz and metacity work for me
[15:45] <BUGabundo> kwin will not (no support for kubuntu at this time)
[15:45] <cyberix> that seems correct
[15:45] <cyberix> But I'm running a full gnome-session
[15:45] <cyberix> I only set WINDOW_MANAGER="/home/cyberix/.xmonadi/bin/xmonad"
[15:45] <cyberix> in ~/.profile
[15:46] <cyberix> which is the way for changing gnome window manager
[15:47] <cyberix> I'll try with Ubuntu version of xmonad first
[15:48] <armedking> Hello is the position of notify-osd changable. and anyone know why i see the notifcations 1 min later then the action?
[15:50] <thewrath> apw: are you there?
[15:50] <thewrath> need to talk to you asap
[15:50] <apw> yep, left you a message
[15:50] <thewrath> i had to leave
[15:50] <LjL> !audio
[15:50] <thewrath> what was the message
[15:51] <thewrath> my network connection went out
[15:51] <thewrath> bc i closed my screen on my laptop
[15:51] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/305907 <-- can you comment on what Andy said
 thewrath, ok ... just checked lrm and the broadcom driver has been updated to the one requested with the patch, that happened 3 days ago, it is planned for upload once beta is out of the door
 thewrath, so there is probabally no point in doing anything within a week you should have an official update for it
[15:52] <LjL> !audio
[15:52] <thewrath> perfect
[15:52] <thewrath> so next week sometime
[15:52] <apw> thewrath, are you asking me to comment on what Andy said?
[15:52] <thewrath> you just commented on it to me
[15:52] <apw> that Andy is me
[15:52] <thewrath> that is what i meant
[15:52] <thewrath> i really meant confirm or deny that
[15:52] <thewrath> how did you guys find that out
[15:52] <LjL> !audio
[15:53] <apw> i went and looked at the source for lrm
[15:53] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:53] <thewrath> could i do that
[15:53] <apw> and tried to apply that patch, and it failed
[15:53] <thewrath> which means its already there?
[15:53] <apw> then i saw it was updated to the latested as part of the related bug
[15:53] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:53] <thewrath> nice
[15:53] <LjL> !audio
[15:53] <thewrath> so in about a weke i can update
[15:53] <apw> on the 23rd, but its not uploaded, as the archive is in freeze
[15:53] <thewrath> LjL: can you please stop doing that
[15:53] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:53] <Pici> !enter
[15:54] <LjL> thewrath: not before i've managed to actually make it work, no
[15:54] <thewrath> you are spamming the channel
[15:55] <thewrath> apw: so the final release will have it or when
[15:55] <thewrath> sorry i am multitaking between multiple computers
[15:55] <LjL> thewrath: so are you with your Enters. at least i'm trying to make something *useful*.
[15:55] <thewrath> no
[15:56] <BUGabundo> thewrath: please calm down! LjL is an OP
[15:56] <BUGabundo> and he knows what he is doing!
[15:56] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:56] <thewrath> i apologize LjL
[15:57] <LjL> whether i'm an op has no relevance. but i'm just trying to make the bot work for a channel-specific factoid, and the only way to test that is to test it in the specific channel.
[15:57] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:58] <thewrath> LjL: sir did you get my msg
[15:58] <thewrath> apw: so after the beta release you said sir?
[16:05] <cyberix> BUGabundo: here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/349047
[16:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, somebody knows how I can change the default theme of kde4 apps? I don't like the solid-metal theme in kile; I am a gnome user
[16:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I installed "systemsettings" but there are no modules in it
[16:07] <aredg> Le-Chuck_ITA, go ask in #kubuntu
[16:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aredg: it seems there's a wall between kde and gnome in ubuntu :)
[16:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In kubuntu they don't know but kubuntu+1 and ubuntu+1 are supposed to be the same channel or not?
[16:08] <aredg> no, this is for a development version
[16:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am using jaunty
[16:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this is why I mentioned the "+1"
[16:10] <thewrath> jaunty is jaunty right now i beleive
[16:10] <BUGabundo> thewrath: LOL
[16:10] <thewrath> thought i would get a laugh out
[16:10] <thewrath> since we were beinga ll serious
[16:10] <FoolsRun> I'm running Jaunty Alpha, When Jaunty Beta hits later today, do I just run apt-get update/upgrade or do I need to do a dist-upgrade?
[16:10] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes this is both for ubuntu and kubuntu on Jaunty
[16:11] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: yes
[16:11] <BUGabundo> !updates
[16:11] <BUGabundo> !update
[16:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: I knew :)
[16:11] <dan457> FoolsRun, just update like normal
[16:12] <FoolsRun> dan: so just apt-get update/upgrade?
[16:12] <dan457> Yes
[16:12] <FoolsRun> Cool, thank you
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> actually I found the solution to my problem here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/289368
[16:12] <thewrath> BUGabundo: can you upgrade from alpha -> beta -> final?
[16:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks all
[16:13] <Pici> !final | thewrath
[16:13] <BUGabundo> thewrath: of course
[16:13] <maco> thewrath: of course
[16:13] <thewrath> wnated to verify
[16:13] <thewrath> even from alpha -> final
[16:14] <dan457> Wow, Freenode is borked today
[16:14] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:15] <BUGabundo> actually just holmes server
[16:15] <aredg> its 5 PM in the timezone of the ubuntu release team right?
[16:15] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[16:16] <BUGabundo> aredg: don't be hasty! it will come when its ready
[16:16] <BUGabundo> join #ubuntu-testing for more updates
[16:16] <aredg> BUGabundo, i'm trying to find ways of asking the eta without actually asking it directly ;)
[16:16] <thewrath> lol
[16:16] <BUGabundo> no one (at least from us) can tell you that
[16:20] <Doctor_Nick> wheres da beta
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Doctor_Nick: not out yet!
[16:20] <thewrath> not out yet
[16:20] <thewrath> darn you BUGabundo
[16:20] <BUGabundo> copy cat
[16:20] <thewrath> i was going to say that
[16:20] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:20] <Doctor_Nick> im EXCITED
[16:20] <thewrath> you just typed faster than i did lol
[16:21] <BUGabundo> I already have it on copy past
[16:21] <BUGabundo> must be the 20th today
[16:21] <BUGabundo> Doctor_Nick: why wait?
[16:21] <Doctor_Nick> its scheduled for release today
[16:21] <BUGabundo> $ update-manager -d
[16:21] <thewrath> well aware of that Doctor_Nick
[16:21] <apw> normally releases end of the day in my experience
[16:22] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:22] <Doctor_Nick> k
[16:22] <BUGabundo> around 20-22h UTC
[16:22] <jyeager> you guys answered my question before I could ask it:)
[16:22] <unixdawg> what no updates in 2 days
[16:22] <unixdawg> whats wrong here
[16:22] <jyeager> I have been checking every 30 minutes for the beta
[16:23] <unixdawg> beta
[16:23] <charlie-tca> unixdawg: beta freeze
[16:23] <unixdawg> ok
[16:23] <dan457> Well, when it does get uploaded, servers will be slow.  Save some time a grab the daily build.. it's almost the same anyway.
[16:23] <jyeager> I told myself I was going to wait for the beta to try Jaunty. Its been a long wait.
[16:23] <unixdawg> jaunty rocks
[16:24] <SalvoMaltese> Hi all
[16:24] <BUGabundo> jyeager: don't wait
[16:24] <BUGabundo> upgrade now
[16:24] <BUGabundo> while the server have NO load at all
[16:24] <jyeager> true
[16:24] <BUGabundo> SalvoMaltese: not out yet! before you ask
[16:24] <gnomefreak> unixdawg: no updates due to beta being released today or tomorrow if there is a problem with ISO's they will upload a fix for it and only than until after beta is out
[16:24] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: to late
[16:24] <BUGabundo> 2 already replied
[16:24] <BUGabundo> you are laggin behind
[16:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Seems like the topic will change when it releases, right?
[16:24] <SalvoMaltese> Does you know something about the beta?
[16:24] <gnomefreak> yeah still busy sort of
[16:24] <SalvoMaltese> It's out already?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> no, not yet
[16:25] <BUGabundo> I did say: SalvoMaltese: not out yet! before you ask
[16:25] <thewrath> i just installed jaunty
[16:25] <thewrath> should i do an sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade?
[16:25] <mapzzz> guys.. is there going to be a KDE 4 release as well?
[16:25] <ethana2> How y'all liking google video chat in Empathy?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> thewrath: nothing new out
[16:25] <gnomefreak> SalvoMaltese: if you have jaunty you have beta if you upgrade you will have beta if you want an ISO you wait for the release
[16:25] <ethana2> more reliable and less of a PITA than skype?
[16:25] <SalvoMaltese> ok, thanks... haven't read :D
[16:25] <charlie-tca> thewrath: won't hurt
[16:25] <thewrath> ok
[16:25] <thewrath> what if i get a kernal panic
[16:25] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: btw [[]]
[16:26] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[16:26] <thewrath> bc yesterday i did like a complete update and it killed my kernal
[16:26] <ethana2> thewrath: kernel panics are there to protect you
[16:26] <BUGabundo> thewrath: you reboot and nag us about it
[16:26] <ethana2> pretty much
[16:26] <thewrath> i dont mean to nag you guys
[16:26] <thewrath> i really dont
[16:26] <ethana2> no, that's your job
[16:26] <ethana2> that and providing as much data as possible
[16:26] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:26] <ethana2> so the crash can be fixed before release
[16:27] <thewrath> k
[16:27] <thewrath> let me do that then
[16:27] <thewrath> lol
[16:27] <charlie-tca> mapzzz: There will be a kubuntu beta released
[16:27] <thewrath> bbl
[16:27] <unixdawg> release we dont need no stinking release
[16:27] <unixdawg> lol
[16:27] <mapzzz> charlie-tca: ok.. thanks
[16:33] <ethana2> So exciting
[16:33] <ethana2> Today I'm going to back up my stuff, install Jaunty beta in a dual boot with my 8.10
[16:33] <ethana2> ...I'll be sticking with ext3 I think, but going 64 bit..
[16:33] <ethana2> I heard boot time got down to 20 seconds :)
[16:34] <BUGabundo> ethana2: do you have an iso already?
[16:34] <BUGabundo> ethana2: I don't believe that
[16:34] <BUGabundo> mine is 75secs
[16:34] <xnguard> Is Jaunty in total feature freeze?  I haven't seen any updates for either of my (amd64) systems in a couple days.
[16:34] <ethana2> BUGabundo: it's not out yet..
[16:34] <dan457> Ubuntu backported some fixes for ext4, so it will not be as bad with potitial data loss as vanilla .28
[16:34] <ethana2> ah
[16:34] <BUGabundo> get a daily
[16:34] <dan457> So ext4 should be fine.
[16:34] <BUGabundo> !daily
[16:34] <ethana2> BUGabundo: I'm willing to wait for the beta for QA stuff
[16:34] <ethana2> and release notes and what have you
[16:34] <rconan> xnguard: we're in Beta freeze at the moment
[16:34] <BUGabundo> gt it now while server load is low
[16:34] <BUGabundo> and then rsync it
[16:34] <ethana2> I use torrents
[16:35] <ethana2> then I seed and seed and seed and seed
[16:35] <BUGabundo> changes should be minor
[16:35] <BUGabundo> you can do it too
[16:35] <BUGabundo> just force check the local file
[16:35] <ethana2> I've gotten ratios of 10 on ubuntu pre-releases before.
[16:35] <xnguard> rconan: Okay, so there just aren't any updates going round at the moment?  I was just wondering if something might be wrong with my apt/dpkg config.
[16:35] <thwrath> a question
[16:36] <ethana2> xnguard: updates usually slow down before alphas and beta
[16:36] <dan457> No, been frozen a couple days
[16:36] <ethana2> don't worry about it
[16:36]  * xnguard nods.
[16:36] <thwrath> how do i get all the cool looking graphics to work
[16:36] <ethana2> thwrath: what gpu vendor?
[16:36] <thwrath> like the new screen that ubuntu shows when it boots up wit the orange bar
[16:36] <ethana2> System > Admin > Hardware Drivers
[16:36] <thwrath> i have the old one
[16:36] <ethana2> oh
[16:36] <ethana2> odd.
[16:36] <thwrath> how can i fix that
[16:36] <ethana2> thwrath: I'd think just updating would fix it
[16:37] <thwrath> kl
[16:37] <thwrath> i just installed it so i would of thought i could of came with it
[16:37] <thwrath> i am doing an upgrade now
[16:37] <xnguard> ethana2: I'm mostly just worried about getting the point-point release of evolution-mapi.  I'm looking at an upstream patch release that says something to the effect of "Completely unusable for everyone until this patch is applied." :)
[16:37] <ethana2> thwrath: did you get an alpha or a daily?
[16:37] <ethana2> xnguard: oh dear
[16:38] <ethana2> 'course, every mail client I try, I always just go back to gmail
[16:38] <ethana2> gotta have my conversation threading
[16:38] <xnguard> ethana2: Well, it's evo.  I'm getting used to x-treme b0rkitude.  It practically needs to be listed on the Features page.
[16:38] <thwrath> i think i got an alpha
[16:38] <ethana2> thwrath: that'll be ti
[16:38] <BUGabundo> ethana2: you haven't tried mutt or kmail
[16:38] <ethana2> it**; yeah, just update
[16:38] <BUGabundo> after that nothing is the same
[16:38] <dan457> get daily, save a buch of time updating
[16:39] <ethana2> BUGabundo: but I have tried thunberbird
[16:39] <ethana2> thunderbird***
[16:39] <BUGabundo> try (cli) mutt or kmail
[16:39] <dan457> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[16:39] <BUGabundo> dan457: not that
[16:39] <BUGabundo> that's the alternate iso
[16:39] <BUGabundo> !daily
[16:39] <ethana2> My friend, a Kubuntu user, showed me GIMP on kubuntu
[16:39] <ethana2> it looked like a KDE app
[16:39] <BUGabundo> you need daily-live
[16:39] <ethana2> does that go both ways with Jaunty?
[16:39] <xnguard> BUGabundo: ...you mean, after trying mutt you'll never disparage PINE's immediately intuitive interface again? :)
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ethana2: it is.. so?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> I have it on gnome
[16:40] <ethana2> BUGabundo: does it look native?
[16:40] <BUGabundo> xnguard: never got fond of pine
[16:40] <BUGabundo> ethana2: grrr ... no?
[16:40] <ethana2> ah
[16:40] <BUGabundo> does it need to ?
[16:40]  * dan457 wonders if dtchen's updated kernel made it into the beta.
[16:40] <ethana2> I don't get why I'd even bother with a mail client
[16:40] <BUGabundo> dan457: it didn't
[16:40] <xnguard> BUGabundo: I hate PINE, but I don't have the time to memorize mutt's huge slab of double-bucky keyboard combos. :)
[16:40] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:40] <ethana2> I guess I trust Google a lot, but..
[16:40] <bluefoxicy> how come when I have gnucash run CPU bound like crazy, my music player stops playing music?
[16:40] <dan457> Too bad.. I'm using it here. works good.
[16:40] <BUGabundo> xnguard: I only know a few
[16:41] <bluefoxicy> nvm
[16:41] <BUGabundo> 'd' and 'q'
[16:41] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[16:41] <bluefoxicy> rhythmbox is just dicks and keeps getting stuck at the end of a file
[16:41] <xnguard> BUGabundo: *snerk* Yes, well, I learned those because most Red Hat installs I've had to wrangle come with mutt.
[16:41] <BUGabundo> I just use it to read local mail
[16:42] <BUGabundo> and test pop(s)/imap(s) on servers
[16:42] <BUGabundo> for the rest I use crashy Kmail
[16:42] <Volkodav> exaile is better to my taste
[16:42] <xnguard> ...and most Red Hat installs I've had to wrangle seem to feature broken MTA configs that mean a few thousand mails in root's spool.
[16:42] <BUGabundo> it was so funny when one dev told me she didn't know about the bug, 'cause she never deletes email
[16:43] <bluefoxicy> wtf no updates today?
[16:44] <thewrath> okay i am back
[16:44] <thewrath> stupid network
[16:44] <BUGabundo> bluefoxx: beta freeze
[16:44] <BUGabundo> no new updates
[16:44] <thewrath> back to doing updates
[16:44] <xnguard> BUGabundo: ...is there a way to configure the repositories to send messages saying, "All is well, no updates due to beta freeze, all citizens please return to your homes"? :)
[16:44] <thewrath> who was saying to me why i dont have all the cool graphics
[16:45] <thewrath> xnguard: that is nice
[16:45]  * BUGabundo bets that someone wants to make a question once they enter the #, and wait 1 min, it will be answer again
[16:45] <dan457> thewrath, you should have them once you finish updating.
[16:45] <BUGabundo> xnguard: yes! its called apt-get update
[16:45] <thewrath> pefect thank you dan457
[16:45] <dan457> hmm, someone change the channel title.
[16:45] <thewrath> i hate macs wtih terminal
[16:46] <thewrath> cna heardly some peoples names bc of the colors it picks to display their name
[16:46] <thewrath> 24 minutes
[16:46] <BUGabundo> dan457: what for? ppl don't read it any way
[16:46] <xnguard> BUGabundo: Oh, dear.  I know there was a reason I'd regret using aptitude instead.  I should have taken the "Super Cow Powers" warning more seriously.
[16:46] <ethana2> thewrath: did you want something?
[16:47] <thewrath> o yes but dan457 answerd
[16:47] <thewrath> for all those kool updates
[16:47] <thewrath> *graphics in jaunty
[16:47] <ethana2> yes
[16:47] <thewrath> i am ver exicted about it
[16:47] <ethana2> haha, so excited
[16:47] <ethana2> yes
[16:47] <thewrath> is there a way that i can get like 99% of the .iso the day before the final release
[16:47] <thewrath> i know americas army hs done that with theiri game
[16:47] <dan457> I'm using Dust.
[16:47] <ethana2> yes
[16:47] <dan457> Nice change.
[16:47] <thewrath> was wondering if you guys could do it with ubuntu
[16:47] <ethana2> thewrath: you can use jigdo
[16:47] <thewrath> what is that
[16:47] <ethana2> it maintains one .iso file
[16:47] <ethana2> and updates it
[16:48] <thewrath> so i can do wthat for jaunty right now?
[16:48] <ethana2> the pre-release download pages should have .jigdo files on them
[16:48] <ethana2> yeah
[16:48] <thewrath> are there pre releases out yet
[16:48] <thewrath> or no bc it is going into beta
[16:48] <thewrath> right now
[16:48] <ethana2> by pre-releases, I mean .isos made available before releases
[16:49] <ethana2> so, alphas, betas, rc
[16:49] <thewrath> oh ok
[16:49] <thewrath> will i update a beta or rc to final?
[16:49] <ethana2> any of them will update to final
[16:49] <dan457> Yes, normal updating is all you need now.
[16:49] <thewrath>  so i just have to get a a jigdo file
[16:49] <ethana2> well, if you've already installed an alpha
[16:50] <ethana2> just update normally with apt
[16:50] <ethana2> but if you like testing dailies but don't want to waste bandwidth
[16:50] <ethana2> jigdo is for you
[16:51] <BUGabundo> ethana2: I rather use rsync
[16:51] <BUGabundo> much easier
[16:51] <thewrath> what is rsync
[16:52] <BUGabundo> Monday I rsynced all my isos
[16:52] <dan457> !rsync
[16:52] <BUGabundo> cd & dvds both 32 and 64 bits for ubuntu and kubuntu
[16:52] <dan457> damn, it should know that one.
[16:52] <BUGabundo> took me 2h
[16:52] <thewrath> for waht
[16:52] <thewrath> *for what
[16:52] <BUGabundo> here are my old scripst
[16:52] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[16:53] <BUGabundo> thewrath: with rsync I just get what change
[16:53] <BUGabundo> no need to get the all ISO again
[16:53] <ethana2> BUGabundo: but jigdo does the same thing
[16:53] <BUGabundo> its harder to use
[16:53] <ethana2> ok, which one has the gui?
[16:53] <ethana2> ......tell me one of them has a gui
[16:53] <BUGabundo> with rsync I only need the local iso and path to server
[16:53] <BUGabundo> ethana2: rsync doesn't
[16:54] <dan457> rsync compares files and only transfers the differences.  less bandwidth than redownloading entire file.
[16:54] <BUGabundo> but who wants a GUI? cli is much better
[16:54] <dan457> I use it for doing backups mostly.
[16:54] <ethana2> it could be
[16:54] <thewrath> doesnt sudo apt-get update / upgrade do that
[16:54] <ethana2> if we had decent aliases and such
[16:54] <ethana2> but right now, that isn't the case.
[16:54] <BUGabundo> thewrath: we are talking about ISOs
[16:54] <BUGabundo> not system packages
[16:54] <xnguard> Silly question (I've been using Ubuntu two whole months): what's post-release policy on driver updates?  Any chance of -ati 6.13+ being available for graphically disadvantaged folks like me, who're using switchable GMA4 on a laptop until the onboard AMD R6xx core's supported?
[16:54] <charlie-tca> I rsynce 8 cd images a day, takes about 15 minutes
[16:54] <ethana2> http://ethana4.blogspot.com/2008/12/command-line.html
[16:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: that's working hard! LOL
[16:54] <bsnider> xnguard, they update drivers
[16:54] <BUGabundo> local mirror?
[16:55] <charlie-tca> no
[16:55] <charlie-tca> testing
[16:55] <BUGabundo> you test all daily images?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> poor disks
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu and Xubuntu installs everyday
[16:55] <ethana2> poor flash drive :)
[16:55] <BUGabundo> on qemu?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> ethana2: I wouldn't do that on flash
[16:55] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox and hard drives
[16:55] <ethana2> BUGabundo: ah
[16:55] <BUGabundo> xii
[16:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: so your rsync script must better tunned then mine!
[16:56] <BUGabundo> ehe
[16:56] <xnguard> bsnider: Cool.  Thanks.  Switching on the R6xx right now means the GPU runs full-tilt forever, drives internal temps up +20C, and doesn't even make up for it with 3D acceleration.
[16:56] <xnguard> ...or 2D acceleration, even.
[16:57] <charlie-tca> My script is big!
[16:57] <thewrath> doesnt sudo apt-get update / upgrade do that only getting the new stuff?
[16:57] <thewrath> sorry i walked away
[16:58] <thewrath> BUGabundo: okay
[16:58] <thewrath> sorry
[16:58] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I have many
[16:59] <thewrath> this is updateing nice and fast today
[16:59] <BUGabundo> let me pastebin mine
[16:59] <BUGabundo> thewrath: no server load
[16:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:59] <charlie-tca> looks like this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/138390/
[17:00] <BUGabundo> the calm before the storm
[17:00] <thewrath> how do you change resolution in jaunty?
[17:00] <xnguard> thewrath: System -> Preferences -> Display.
[17:00] <BUGabundo> yeah that's big
[17:00] <BUGabundo> I do run it with ionice
[17:01] <tgpraveen> hi i have a problem
[17:01] <ethana2> tgpraveen: don't ask to ask, just ask
[17:01] <tgpraveen> anytime i connect my ipod 4th gen
[17:01] <thewrath> BUGabundo: no sometimes its our network
[17:01] <tgpraveen> then i get errors like the dev/mount/ is busy or alredy mounted
[17:01] <thewrath> xnguard: how hard is it to do dual monitor
[17:01] <tgpraveen> or something and it shows the ipod icon in my comp but i cant open it
[17:02] <charlie-tca> I need to add the server image to it, now that I think of it
[17:02] <xnguard> thewrath: Never tried.  I'll let you know when I order new monitors, soon as the IRS is nice enough to refund the interest-free loan I gave them last year.
[17:02] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: a collection mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/138392/
[17:02] <thewrath> interest free loan you gave them?
[17:02] <tgpraveen> or anthign. and i get this error only and yesterday i unmounted and remounted my ipod like 20-30 times and once it worked
[17:02] <thewrath> why would you give them a loan
[17:02] <BUGabundo> thewrath: I'm on dual monitor right now
[17:02] <tgpraveen> and then it worked gr8. but now again the same problems
[17:02] <tgpraveen> help?
[17:02]  * ethana2 gets to work on his patent elimination argument paper
[17:02] <thewrath> BUGabundo: how hard is it to set up
[17:03] <charlie-tca> You just don't want it taking over, huh?
[17:03] <thewrath> or does it depend on ur graphics card
[17:03] <thewrath> bc i am on a laptop
[17:03] <thewrath> iwth a ext vga conenctor
[17:03] <BUGabundo> thewrath: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/26-03-2009.png.php
[17:03] <xnguard> thewrath: That's what happens when you overestimate how much you owe them and have more deducted from your pay checks than necessary.
[17:03] <BUGabundo> thewrath: I just run nvidia settings
[17:04] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: ah?
[17:04] <thewrath> oh i have an intel corp mobile 3 series chipset
[17:04] <thewrath> rev 07
[17:04] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: doesn't nice keep it from taking over?
[17:04] <tgpraveen> help with that ipod issue please
[17:05] <thewrath> what hte heck is that BUGabundo
[17:05] <thewrath> any suggestions there
[17:05] <thewrath> with my display driver
[17:05] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I don't get what I mean!
[17:05] <charlie-tca> tgpraveen: if it just started a couple of days ago, and there are no bug reports yet, it may get fixed tomorrow or so.
[17:05] <pace_t_zulu> when is jaunty beta 1 going to be available?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> thewrath: all my 10 workspaces shown on Expose with Compiz
[17:05] <xnguard> tgpraveen: I'd love to, but the last time I tried to help someone with an iPod sync issue, it turned out that the iPod had suddenly become defective, and wouldn't sync from or to anywhere for love nor money nor factory resets.
[17:05] <thewrath> the xmas one
[17:05] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: Why are you using nice?
[17:06] <thewrath> the thing on the right
[17:06] <thewrath> with all the info how did u get that?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: so it doesn't nudge my CPU
[17:06] <charlie-tca> pace_t_zulu: today
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I see
[17:07] <pace_t_zulu> charlie-tca: yes, any idea on time?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I just don't get why lowering nice requires SUDO
[17:07] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: no idea!
[17:07] <mapzzz> for kde 4.2, should I choose the /cdimage/kubuntu or /cdimage/kubuntu-kde4 ?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> it will be ready when its ready
[17:07] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo:  thank you
[17:07] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: usually between 20-22h UTC
[17:07] <BUGabundo> mapzzz: should there only be one
[17:07]  * BUGabundo checks
[17:08] <tgpraveen> charlie-tca: how do u say it will get fixed tommorow or so?any reason for ur saying this?
[17:08] <mapzzz> BUGabundo: i didnt quite get you..
[17:08] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:08] <mapzzz> BUGabundo: thanks..
[17:09] <thewrath> BUGabundo: what is that called on the right hand side on the xms theme that you have in one of those images?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: stupid tip: turn it off, wait 1 min, try again?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> no idea what you are seeing
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I have to check the image too
[17:09] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:09] <thewrath> when i shut down to do a resetart i had a green screen
[17:09] <thewrath> why
[17:09] <BUGabundo> thewrath: it's a screenlet
[17:10] <thewrath> what one
[17:10] <thewrath> the image
[17:10] <thewrath> or my green screen
[17:11] <frybye> re: been trying to fix the sound since upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 beta all day.. is there a sound-system specialist who can perhaps help a bit further if I send the url created by the alsa-info.sh ???
[17:11] <BUGabundo> the image
[17:11] <thewrath> k
[17:11] <BUGabundo> !audio
[17:11] <BUGabundo> frybye: ^^^^^^^^^
[17:12] <thewrath> frybye: try plugging in headphoesn
[17:12] <thewrath> mine work with headphones but nothing else
[17:12] <thewrath> no cmputers speakers
[17:13] <thewrath> i eblieve the new kernel image stinks
[17:13] <frybye> BUGabundo: there IS no volume control - there IS no system|settings|sound area that can be accessed...! and somhow nobody who has tried to help so far can get thier head around those facts.. all infos i get directed to say at some stage - "go to system-settings-sound and do this or that - but there ISNT one here .. <grinn.. exasperated gradually..>
[17:13] <thewrath> i crshed my ssytem yesterday
[17:14] <frybye> thewrath: ok i will try that...
[17:14] <frybye> i did a update-manager -d on this system - not an image..
[17:14] <thewrath> BUGabundo: what screenlet
[17:15] <BUGabundo> thewrath: calm down now a bit, okay?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Tried right-click the panel and add the volume control?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> frybye: humm I guess only audio team can help
[17:15] <thewrath> my apologiez
[17:15] <BUGabundo> maybe your system got hosed some where
[17:15] <BUGabundo> can you run a daily CD/usb?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> thewrath: look up for screenlets
[17:16] <thewrath> k
[17:16] <thewrath> BUGabundo: you know why computer speakers would not wrok but headphones do
[17:16] <thewrath> or anyone else i here
[17:16] <BUGabundo> no
[17:16] <charlie-tca> no, but there is at least one bug on that
[17:16] <frybye> i find the volume control and hit the button to add it too the panel but nothing happens...
[17:17] <lucypher> Hi, I can't see update-manager icon showing me available updates since upgraded to Jaunty
[17:17] <thewrath> charlie-tca: can you give me the bug number
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Don't know it, let me go look
[17:17] <thewrath> k
[17:17] <BUGabundo> lucypher: bug 332945
[17:18] <frybye> but as i say there is not even a useable/openable area at -syste-settings-sound.. when I click there a tab shows up at bottom of screen "opeing sound" for a few seconds then goes again and nothing remains..
[17:18] <BUGabundo> frybye: is that KDE or gnome?
[17:18] <frybye> gnome
[17:18] <BUGabundo> organo: no its not out yet
[17:18] <organo> sorry what?
[17:19] <frybye> I was a bit early this morning with the update-manager -d perhaps I have not even got the beta - can I do it again???
[17:19] <thewrath> if it says that follow packages have been kept back is that bc of the freeze?
[17:19] <Pici> !final | frybye
[17:20] <o0Chris0o> Pici: thats good to know. When beta comes out today, I wont have any updates?
[17:21] <thewrath> the packages that are beeing kept back are bc of the freeze corret BUGabundo or Pici ?
[17:21] <Pici> o0Chris0o: Probably not
[17:21] <BUGabundo> no
[17:21] <thewrath> o0Chris0o: no you will have to run sudo apt-get upate/upgrade
[17:21] <Pici> thewrath: How are you upgrading?
[17:21] <thewrath> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:22] <Pici> thewrath: You should be using dist-upgrade.
[17:22] <BUGabundo> thewrath: do you know what pastebin is ?
[17:22] <BUGabundo> !pastebin
[17:22] <BUGabundo> paste there what you see
[17:22] <frybye> please see:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/138405/
[17:22] <Pici> thewrath: 'upgrade' will not include packages that have new dependencies, therefore they will get held back.
[17:22] <charlie-tca> bug 22006
[17:22] <thewrath> so just run dist-upgrade
[17:22] <thewrath> ok
[17:22] <charlie-tca> bug 220006
[17:23] <Pici> thewrath: no. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:23] <frybye> Pici: is that different to update-manager -d  ???
[17:23] <thewrath> thank you Pici
[17:23] <thewrath> yes
[17:23] <thewrath> bc i ran that and it didnt do anything
[17:23] <Pici> frybye: Yes.
[17:23] <BUGabundo> frybye: should be the same
[17:24] <BUGabundo> for those on jaunty
[17:24] <frybye> whas the difference...?
[17:24] <thewrath> charlie-tca: that is that sound does not work through computer speakers but through headphones?
[17:24] <dan457> apt-get is in s shell, update-manager is gui
[17:24] <Pici> frybye: update-manager -d will upgrade to the latest development release.
[17:24] <Pici> frybye: i.e. thats how you'd upgrade from intrepid to jaunty.
[17:24] <frybye> i ran u-m -d when it was 8.10 here..
[17:24] <BUGabundo> frybye: :) welcome lol
[17:25] <frybye> Pici - ok so it was right then...
[17:25] <thewrath> bc any of those links on that page donet work
[17:25] <frybye> so is there a sound guru who can make sence of what the alsa-info.sh produces in the house at the moment?
[17:25] <linus> how do i reinstall codecs in firefox for ubuntu 9.04 ? youtube videos works fine, but vimeo dont. fast farword with sound, and then it hangs.
[17:25] <thewrath>  well i got to go
[17:25] <thewrath> ttyl
[17:26] <thewrath> ill be back later on
[17:26] <linus> i uninstalled a lot of codecs, now youtube works fine
[17:26] <frybye> so what does all this stuff mean :-http://paste.ubuntu.com/138405/
[17:26] <frybye> is it updated to beta properly or not...?
[17:27] <Pici> frybye: Yes.
[17:27] <linus> should i use mplayer instead?
[17:27] <o0Chris0o> odd doesn't say I have beta and I tried all update methods
[17:27] <frybye> thanks Pici.. and the other ? - help with making sence of what alsa-info.sh produces.. any offers???
[17:27] <Pici> frybye: I can't help you with that, sorry.
[17:28] <frybye> ok Pici no prob - somebody else perhaps???
[17:28] <BUGabundo> frybye: the only guy here that can help you with audio is dtchen
[17:28] <BUGabundo> but he is way!
[17:28] <bluefoxicy> why does tracker-indexer always consume as much CPU as possible?
[17:28] <frybye> i c..
[17:28] <bluefoxicy>  3997 bluefox   39  19  177m  32m 6008 R   92  0.9   1370:48 tracker-indexer
[17:28] <bluefoxicy>  13:28:43 up 1 day, 41 min,  3 users,  load average: 1.93, 2.03, 1.76
[17:28] <frybye> i will risk going ask in #ubuntu - get my butt kicked perhaps.. hehe
[17:29] <Pici> bluefoxicy: Modify your indexing preferences.
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> it's consumed almost 24 hours (1440:00) of solid CPU time in 25 hours
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> Pici:  it's supposed to use inotify and only do an initial indexing sweep on load.
[17:30] <bluefoxicy> it's not doing disk IO, it's doing tons of CPU buttsex
[17:30] <o0Chris0o> Pici: how do I tell what version of jaunty I have?
[17:30] <Pici> bluefoxicy: No need for that language here.
[17:30] <linus> i insatlled mplayer. it works fine now i think
[17:30] <bluefoxicy> Pici:  I can speak in Klingon if you want
[17:31] <Pici> o0Chris0o: milestone releases are just a snapshot of the current development process. There is no associated version information about them.
[17:31] <o0Chris0o> Pici: I see
[17:31] <o0Chris0o> just don't want to be left back if they are updates, haven't had any in a few days :)
[17:34] <frybye> what is this brassero thing that is being held back .. has that anything to do with sound problems..?
[17:35] <tgpraveen> !brasero
[17:36] <Pici> Its for burning CDs.
[17:36] <tgpraveen> brasero is cd/dvd wirter app like nero
[17:36] <JMFTheVCI> Does anyone know if there are better drivers in Jaunty for  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller devices
[17:36] <frybye> hmm.. so the lack of that has no relevance to the broken sound system.. hmmm
[17:36] <tomsdale> I haven't gotten any updates for 2/3 days now for my kubuntu jaunty. At the same time composite seems to sometimes crash really badly since today, displaying parts of the gui of several applications at once + the keyboard is dead
[17:37] <mapzzzz> i had troubles on 8.10 Ubuntu with brasero - k3b rocked though.
[17:37] <rconan> tomsdale: we're in beta freeze at the moment
[17:37] <mapzzzz> it would'nt write to my verbatim DVD's, kept complaining of some error
[17:37] <JMFTheVCI> The input sound (capture) is quite muffled on intrepid compared to WinXP on the same machine.
[17:37] <rconan> JMFTheVCI: this is the jaunty channel... use #ubuntu for intrepid
[17:38] <frybye> so do you folks think that If i put this present jaunty to bed for a few weeks and then come back and update it might be fixed as far as my f-awefull sound problem is concerned..?  <wishfull thinking I suspect but...?=)
[17:38] <tomsdale> rconan: I read that on release schedule. But there will be bug fixes released over the beta period? Was there no bugfilx since 3 days?
[17:38] <Siegfried> yep me too brasero just made me lose cds, k3b rocks
[17:38] <JMFTheVCI> rconan: I know that, hence my first question asking if there were better sound drivers for  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller in Jaunty?
[17:38] <rconan> tomsdale: not that i'm aware of
[17:39] <rconan> JMFTheVCI: hda-intel drivers have certainly changed
[17:39] <rconan> I don't know what the differences are
[17:39] <JMFTheVCI> rconan: for the better or are the woes from others related to the same?
[17:39] <frybye> so to be honest I am gving up on this jaunty for now - will be back in a few days/weeks.. bye...
[17:39] <mapzzzz> JMFTheVCI: I have skype working fine with my 82801G - what's ur issue?
[17:40] <dan457> I'm suing dtchen's kernel, fixed some audio clicks/pops for me.
[17:40] <dan457> using*
[17:40] <JMFTheVCI> Sound is muffled on Mic input compared to same box on WinXP. Wondered if Jaunty is going to fix it?
[17:40] <adrian_2002ca> hi all, will jaunty now have support for ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650? I tried it before and could not get it to work
[17:40] <dan457> Newer HD audio here.
[17:40] <adrian_2002ca> (with Ibex)
[17:40] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: I think brasero was replaced or something like
[17:40] <tomsdale> ok - anyone had their KDE crash in a way I described - It happened twice now just after I switched desktop. I have the desktop cube effect enabled. The screen freezes with random parts of several applications covering the viewport.
[17:40] <BUGabundo> or it replaced the gnome baker
[17:41] <mapzzzz> tomsdale: any chance u have ext4?
[17:41] <tomsdale> can't switch to konsole - keyboard is dead and I have to hard reset. Yes @ mapzzzz
[17:41] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: no.i doubt it. brasero infact is the default app in gnome.
[17:41] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: try to change Boost
[17:41] <BUGabundo> or gain
[17:41] <tgpraveen> yeah the gnome cd writing app which was in places menu isgon e
[17:42] <mapzzzz> tomsdale: uh oh... is all I can say... there have been issues with KDE4+ext4..
[17:43] <adrian_2002ca> so are newer graphics cards supported for Jaunty( I have ATI HD 3650)
[17:44] <JMFTheVCI> BUGabundo: I have played with every aspect of sound options and with all the recording sliders at max it still is not as loud on the receiving end as same code on WinXP.
[17:45] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: driver bug then
[17:45] <mapzzzz> which jaunty daily iso has an active torrent? I cant seem to find a working torrent
[17:45] <BUGabundo> please open a new one
[17:45] <tomsdale> mapzzzz: That's interesting. thx for the hint.
[17:45] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: $ apport-cli -fp pulseaudio
[17:45] <BUGabundo> also add alsa.sh script
[17:45] <BUGabundo> and add also linux project to bug
[17:45] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: is this clear?
[17:46] <tuxxy__> hey anyone know what time todays build will be done (beta)
[17:46] <JMFTheVCI> BUGabundo: yup.
[17:46] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:46] <BUGabundo> let us know the bug id latter
[17:46] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: all run apt-cache policy PACKAGE for linux and PA
[17:46] <BUGabundo> tuxxy__: not yet availble
[17:47] <BUGabundo> it is usually around 20-22h UTC
[17:47] <tuxxy__> i know been waitin all day jsut wondered if anyone had a rough guess how long to go
[17:47] <tuxxy__> ahh ok i GMT
[17:49] <BUGabundo> tuxxy__: just get a daily
[17:50] <BUGabundo> and then rsync it
[17:50] <rconan> BUGabundo: keep telling everyone to do that and you're gonna own the mirrors
[17:50] <rconan> rsync is processor heavy for the server
[17:50] <BUGabundo> ahaahahaahah
[17:50] <rconan> I'd recommend getting a netinst and downloading packages at release time
[17:51] <BUGabundo> rconan: but since it will take much less time
[17:51] <BUGabundo> its shouldn't be so bad
[17:51] <rconan> i dunno... gentoo uses rsync for their portage tree and they have issues with server power
[17:52] <rconan> they tell everyone not to sync more than twice a day
[17:52] <crdlb> I think that's mainly due to the kajillion files
[17:53] <BUGabundo> rconan: yes, that what mirror guides says!
[17:53] <BUGabundo> but that is many many GiBs of data
[17:53] <BUGabundo> not a few MiBs of diff between a daily and beta
[17:54] <JMFTheVCI> BUGabundo: Bug #349092 (as reported on Intrepid)
[17:54]  * BUGabundo looks
[17:54] <rconan> BUGabundo: but the server has to hash the entire image at different size blocks for rsync
[17:54] <BUGabundo> lp is slow?
[17:55] <rconan> BUGabundo: and the portage tree is fairly small... it's millions of tiny files
[17:55] <rconan> it's just package headers
[17:55] <ondisk> the hashes are cached, no?
[17:55] <rconan> thinking about it they should be
[17:56] <rconan> at least to a certain block size
[17:56] <rconan> the idea is that you make the blocks smaller and smaller until you have a small amount with a different hash
[17:56] <rconan> which can be downloaded
[17:56] <mapzzzz> should I use jigdo or wget ?
[17:56] <mapzzzz> to get an iso I mean
[17:56] <rconan> jigdo if you can
[17:56] <rconan> will make updating it to jaunty easier too
[17:57] <rconan> beta that is
[17:57] <ondisk> when's the beta coming out anyway?
[17:57] <rconan> later
[17:57] <HolyScott> today still?
[17:58] <ondisk> right. still morning in US I guess
[17:58] <rconan> doesn't jigdo offer a nice iso update feature?
[17:58] <rconan> yeah
[17:58] <rconan> but today CST (IIRC)
[17:58] <mapzzzz> jigdo simply gets stuck at downloading the "list" file - giving mirrors doesnt have any effect
[17:58] <rconan> fail
[17:58] <ondisk> then it's tomorrow (EU time)
[17:58] <rconan> use wget or torrent then I guess
[17:59] <rconan> BUGabundo: in fact... torrent is good at updating the difference too
[17:59] <BUGabundo> I got some corrupted images
[17:59] <BUGabundo> when changing day
[17:59] <rconan> ondisk: someone said it's usually 2000-2200 UTC
[17:59] <rconan> I can't remember last beta release
[17:59] <teethdood> how can I change the new notification area from black to another color?
[17:59] <billybigrigger> teethdood, afiak its not changeable
[18:00] <crdlb> teethdood: "black is the new *"
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Regardless of all else, it will be released when it is, I think. (just my opinion)
[18:00] <rconan> luckily i like black
[18:00] <crdlb> luckily, I'm using notification-daemon :D
[18:00] <teethdood> there's nothing in black in regards to the rest of Jaunty
[18:00] <crdlb> the gdm theme :>
[18:00] <ondisk> rconan: in a couple of hours then
[18:01] <organo> will the beta be that much different to alpha 6 anyway?
[18:01] <rconan> i use ubuntustudio theme so it looks nice
[18:01] <o0Chris0o> teethdood:  yeah the OCD is uncustomizable
[18:01] <rconan> organo: no
[18:01] <BUGabundo> organo: NO
[18:01] <charlie-tca> organo: new artwork
[18:01] <organo> ok ok cool
[18:01] <rconan> organo: even less difference with a daily from recently
[18:01]  * ondisk hopes the intel i845 bug is fixed
[18:01] <billybigrigger> anyone else having problems wtih gnome? every time i login the top and bottom panels are going crazy, its like they're being re-loaded or re-drawn every second, and the system is %100 unusable, this started happening last night out of the blue
[18:02] <BUGabundo> ondisk: it aint!!!!
[18:02] <BUGabundo> read release notes
[18:02] <ondisk> there are no release notes for the beta yet
[18:02] <billybigrigger> i can paste some screens if someone would like to check out my problem
[18:03] <billybigrigger> kde and xfce are not affected, and i need some help diagnosing what is causing this, anyone care to help?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> ondisk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[18:04] <jyeager> billybigrigger: I have heard of people losing their desktop panels
[18:05] <BUGabundo> bye guys... see you tomorrow
[18:05] <BUGabundo> happy beta installs!
[18:05] <jyeager> billybigrigger: they solved their problem by reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1098480
[18:09] <bsnider> howcome jaunty has such an old version of webkit? it's an outrage
[18:11] <Brinstar> bsnider: file a package request at launchpad.net
[18:13] <crdlb> bsnider: why does it matter?
[18:13] <bsnider> thelatest webkit supports box-shadows and text-shadows
[18:13] <bsnider> as you know if you use safari
[18:13] <crdlb> so?
[18:13] <crdlb> is that useful for devhelp?
[18:14] <billybigrigger> where are the beta cdimages? cdimage.ubuntu.com still shows alpha 6
[18:14] <bsnider> and the latest khtml does too, 4.2
[18:14] <charlie-tca> billybigrigger: not yet
[18:14] <crdlb> bsnider: oh, are you talking about webkitkde?
[18:15] <bsnider> no, i mean the libwebkit package used by midori and epiphany
[18:15] <crdlb> my point is that it's totally unready anyway
[18:16] <bsnider> it's pretty far behind the current on apple uses
[18:16] <crdlb> but hopefully will be for karmic
[18:20] <mapzzzz> i am really impressed by the webkit-based Chrome browser - its sandboxing withstood the pwn2own competition. It should be made default on KDE
[18:20] <mapzzzz> i mean once chromium stabilized
[18:20] <crdlb> even though it uses gtk? :)
[18:21] <VolVE> hey all, wondering if the Beta is coming out today? :)
[18:21] <crdlb> (badly)
[18:21] <acicula> mapzzzz: so did windows mobile ?
[18:21] <GeneralAntilles> Can anybody point me to where I should start looking to troubleshoot suspend/resume issues on a Mini 9?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> VolVE: yes
[18:21] <aschmitz> VolVE: Yep, at some point. Probably a few hours yet.
[18:21] <VolVE> coolbeans
[18:22] <mapzzzz> acicula: the ASLR in windows works sometimes - the address space layout randomization - linux should work on PAX
[18:22] <genii> GeneralAntilles: There is a not-bad article here on the subject http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404
[18:22] <billybigrigger> bah
[18:22] <acicula> mapzzzz: thought ubuntu already did ASLR
[18:22]  * billybigrigger is forced to use KDE until beta images are out
[18:22] <billybigrigger> haha this sucks, i hate kde
[18:23] <acicula> billybigrigger: console is your friend
[18:23] <GeneralAntilles> genii, thanks, a netbook that crashes every time you close the lid really isn't very useful.
[18:23] <billybigrigger> acicula, sure is :P console is console
[18:23] <mapzzzz> mapzzzz: really? I did not think so... I think it is the hardened version or so .
[18:23] <billybigrigger> acicula, i have seemed to have lost gnome usablity yesterday
[18:23] <mapzzzz> acicula: really? I did not think so... I think it is the hardened version or so
[18:24] <acicula> mapzzzz: had to disable it for my hacking classes
[18:24] <acicula> va_randomize
[18:24] <billybigrigger> weird panel behaviour, keep disappearing and reappearing every second, cant fire up a term in gnome, cant do anything really
[18:24] <genii> GeneralAntilles: Instead of the sudo su they use, use sudo -i   instead, then later:  exit   to leave that
[18:24] <billybigrigger> man o man
[18:24] <billybigrigger> kde is givin me probs now too
[18:24] <crdlb> mapzzzz: it would be nice to see both kubuntu and ubuntu using webkit browsers by default one day, though
[18:24] <acicula> GeneralAntilles: i think the video driver often is a problem, which one is in your laptop?
[18:24] <billybigrigger> can't access my drives, aggggghhhh
[18:25]  * billybigrigger pulls hair out
[18:25] <acicula> GeneralAntilles: also not running alpha/beta stuff might help against stuff not working ;)
[18:25] <GeneralAntilles> acicula, GMA 950
[18:25] <GeneralAntilles> acicula, 8.04 and 8.10 each had their own separate sets of issues.
[18:26] <acicula> GeneralAntilles: on a gma 4500 same boat for me :P
[18:26] <acicula> though suspend/resume works quite well now on intrepid
[18:26] <GeneralAntilles> acicula, Jaunty's been better behaved than either except for the suspend problem.
[18:26] <mapzzzz> crdlb: not just webkit - I like the whole security aspect of the sandboxing methodology.
[18:26] <acicula> just needs hw decoding and proper 3d acceleration now :)
[18:26] <acicula> GeneralAntilles: i'm sure there is an intel entry on LP that deals with this
[18:26] <crdlb> mapzzzz: that can be done, but chrome shouldn't be the default browser anywhere
[18:27] <GeneralAntilles> acicula, I'm used to Apple laptops which always have absolutely flawless suspend, so this was rather off-putting.
[18:27] <mapzzzz> crdlb: true
[18:27] <crdlb> for the same reason that firefox shouldn't
[18:27] <acicula> crdlb: what should be the default then?
[18:27] <crdlb> epiphany and konqueror :D
[18:28] <acicula> konqueror used to be pretty bad
[18:28] <acicula> but i havent touched kde in years, so dunno now
[18:28] <acicula> nor epiphany actually, ubuntu made me really lazy
[18:28] <crdlb> I'm talking about with the webkit gtk and qt ports
[18:28] <crdlb> neither of which are completely done yet
[18:28] <acicula> crdlb: nothing ever is :)
[18:30] <Stormx2> Beta is still due out sometime today, yes?
[18:30] <acicula> yes
[18:31] <Stormx2> coolbeans! Any idea when?
[18:31] <acicula> sometime today
[18:32] <aredg> Stormx2, if its today, in the next 2-3 hours
[18:33] <Stormx2> aredg: ta very much! acicula: olololol!
[18:36] <MooKow> um so are debian package *.install files only needed if you have multiple packages per source... ie if i dont specify anything in a *.install file will stuff still get installed into the debs?
[18:36] <josh-l> has beta release run into some snags?
[18:36] <acicula> LordKow: heu can you rephrase that?
[18:36] <LordKow> are *.install files required?
[18:36] <LordKow> :P
[18:37] <acicula> are you trying to package a deb?
[18:37] <LordKow> yes
[18:38] <thewrath> hey all i am back
[18:38] <thewrath> whos the person who gave me the bug for the sound
[18:38] <pitwalker> peace
[18:39] <josh-l> LordKow: do you know... if beta release has met snags today?
[18:39] <thewrath> josh-l: beta was not released as of yet that i know of
[18:40] <josh-l> thewrath: i know... thats what i mean
[18:40] <LordKow> josh-l, i noticed that all of the QA's on the iso's are done. they were not as of like 9 hours ago.
[18:40] <acicula> it's ubuntu+1, if it's out you'll know
[18:40] <josh-l> LordKow: ah
[18:40] <josh-l> acicula: i wasnt asking if its out, i know its not
[18:42] <thewrath> lol
[18:42] <thewrath> who told me abotu a bug that the sound would not come out of the computer speakers about would come out of the headphones if you connected them
[18:43]  * charlie-tca said
[18:44] <LordKow> o-O
[18:44] <LordKow> thewrath, good luck fixing that one :P
[18:45] <charlie-tca> thewrath: this one? bug 220006
[18:46] <thewrath> yes but i am having issues on jaunty
[18:46] <thewrath> but on my other laptop sound works fine
[18:47] <kneeki> Alpha 6 was released today right?
[18:47] <LordKow> okay well i think the dh_install example answers my question implicitly
[18:47] <thewrath> kneeki: no the beta will be
[18:47] <kneeki> Ah
[18:47] <thewrath> alpha 6 has been out for a little bit
[18:47] <thewrath> charlie-tca: i think it was that one
[18:47] <kneeki> I thought so, thanks mang
[18:47] <thewrath> that one fits more than the other one i was gibven
[18:47] <charlie-tca> thewrath: Are you having other sound issues, also?
[18:47] <thewrath> no
[18:47] <thewrath> when i connect headphones it works
[18:48] <thewrath> when i want to use my comptuer speakers it does not work
[18:48] <charlie-tca> That bug is stillopen, might be the same
[18:48] <LordKow> d t chen had a test kernel out there which fixed a lot of pulseaudio issues. it's not in main yet due to beta freeze
[18:49] <thewrath> what LordKow
[18:51] <mickstephenson> Anyone know what time the beta is supposed to be released today?
[18:51] <crdlb> no
[18:56] <thewrath> LordKow: what about the test kernal
[18:56] <genii> Probably by midnight in Samoa
[18:56] <thewrath> i did a test kernal or a kernal upgrade yesterday and it killed my system
[18:56] <Pici> It'll be done when its done.
[18:56] <thewrath> i agree with Pici
[18:57] <LordKow> thewrath, sec i'll find it.
[18:57] <giesen> Any word on the 9.04 beta?
[18:57] <thewrath> giesen: no
[18:58] <thewrath> it will be released when it gets released
[18:58] <thewrath> as Pici said
[18:58] <giesen> he just told me to join the chan
[18:58] <giesen> but thanks
[18:58] <thewrath> soryr
[18:58] <Pici> giesen: Indeed. as Jaunty is offtopic for #ubuntu until its released.
[18:58] <thewrath> i came off as a little pushy
[18:59] <LordKow> thewrath, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[18:59] <thewrath>  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[18:59] <giesen> no worries
[18:59] <thewrath> ok LordKow
[18:59] <thewrath> so just get both of hte amd64 ones since i am running amd64
[19:00] <thewrath> but install the 23m one first then the 674k one last?>
[19:00] <LordKow> im not sure it will fix your headphone problem but might as well test a more recent ubuntu kernel from git... i guess you could check out the git as it stands right now but then you'd be waiting forever for the kernel to build
[19:00] <thewrath> why you say that?
[19:00] <thewrath> which one will take a while?
[19:02] <LordKow> compiling a kernel. just use dan's debs
[19:05] <thewrath> can you l ink me
[19:14] <thewrath> LordKow: what do you mean just use dan's debs
[19:14] <thewrath> is that the one you linked me too allready
[19:15] <aredg> yes
[19:15] <thewrath> what happens if you have a kernal panic in recovery mode as well
[19:15] <aredg> reformat :\
[19:15] <thewrath> you are really kidding me right
[19:15] <aredg> i've reformated more times then i can count
[19:15] <thewrath> oh ok
[19:15] <thewrath> well it is just a test
[19:15] <thewrath> lol
[19:16] <aredg> i'm addicted to a clean image
[19:16] <thewrath> is there a way you can fix a broken system with wubi
[19:16] <thewrath> what do you mean addicated to a clean image
[19:16] <aredg> like i re-install my OS weekly to clean it up
[19:16] <thewrath> oh ok
[19:16] <thewrath> just over top
[19:17] <thewrath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s84vRUUeCpU
[19:17] <aredg> i always test software, screw something up, re-format is easiest way to fix
[19:17] <thewrath> oh ok
[19:18] <thewrath> that video is aswesome
[19:18] <thewrath> bsd
[19:18] <thewrath> that is aweseom
[19:18] <remu> I have alpha6 installed (first time I've installed an Alpha, normally I wait for at least the Betas if not the RCs), I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to do anything once the Beta is out...do I?
[19:19] <LordKow> thewrath, yes i already linked you. the point is before you try fixing a sound problem make sure it wasn't already fixed. :)
[19:19] <thewrath> that has not
[19:19] <charlie-tca> remu: no, if you update/upgrade it is the same as the beta
[19:19] <thewrath> i have not seen that issue being fixed yet how i have described to you correct
[19:19] <remu> okay, sounds good
[19:19] <remu> thanks charlie-tca
[19:19] <thewrath> sudo apt-get distro-upgrade correct charlie-tca ?
[19:19] <LordKow> the reason chen created those packages is because beta freeze is stopping kernel updates from hitting the repos.
[19:19] <thewrath> right
[19:20] <LordKow> they'll likely hit the repos next week... but not now. those packages actually (mostly) fixed the scratchy sound issues i had been having with pidgin
[19:20] <thewrath> i have some that will not update and my wifi issue is int eh restritced-moduels that i guess are apart of that
[19:21] <thewrath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDSpP405O00&feature=related go linux
[19:21] <remu> I was reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-March/027868.html and I had a question. If I follow suggestion number 1, should I still fill out/subscribe once Apport takes me to launchpad?
[19:22] <thewrath> not a big deal atm but would like to get them fixed
[19:23] <thewrath> bbs i am going to go back in ubuntu
[19:24] <charlie-tca> remu: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:25] <o0Chris0o> ok very odd, trying to upload a few pictures that I have in my pictures folder to a website (myspace) and the pictures don't show up, but when I go to the folder, there all there, its a .jpg picture..any ideas?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> yes, remu. You should add whatever information as to what you were doing. When you hit submit, it will fill in a lot of description and attachments
[19:27] <remu> thanks again charlie-tca
[19:28] <o0Chris0o> this is quite annoying
[19:28] <thewrath> ok i am back
[19:28] <thewrath> how i have a screen and it asks about virtual settings
[19:30] <ethana2> Dude, could Ubuntu use twitter for releases?
[19:31] <ethana2> I want pidgin to pop up a twitter window and tell me when the beta is out
[19:31] <thewrath> how i have a screen and it asks about virtual settings
[19:31] <thewrath> monitor resolution settings has detected that the virutal resolution must be set in your configuration file in order to apply your settings, would you like screen resolution to set the virtual resolution for you (recommended?)
[19:31] <thewrath> would i allow it to dot aht
[19:32] <thewrath> i also have mirrored unchecked but it is still mirrored
[19:32] <thewrath> any onw know
[19:34] <thewrath> ethana2: ?
[19:34] <ethana2> When in doubt, do what it recommends
[19:35] <thewrath> k bvrb
[19:36] <ethana2> unfortunately for him, when he does return I shall be gone
[19:36] <aredg> i've been staring at this channel for 9 straight hours :\
[19:37] <ethana2> aredg: /is/ there a Jaunty twitter?
[19:37] <aredg> dunno, i think twitter is lame
[19:39] <josh-l> im more bored than a popsicle licking crude oil
[19:44] <bromic94> does compiz come with jaunty by default
[19:44] <crdlb> yes
[19:44] <crdlb> and with every release since feisty, for that matter
[19:45] <bromic94> where would that be under
[19:45] <crdlb> appearance > visual effects
[19:46] <bromic94> it says Desktop Effects could not be enabled
[19:46] <bromic94> why coudl that be
[19:47]  * Blues-Man hi
[19:48] <bromic94> how come when i do a scretch image in dual monitors it messes it up by scretching it over 2 screens
[19:48] <nemo> depends on the app I imagine
[19:48] <nemo> gimp?
[19:48] <nemo> I can imagine if the screens don't have same res, is even trickier
[19:49] <crdlb> bromic94: do you mean the wallpaper?
[19:50] <bromic94> yes sir
[19:50] <crdlb> just gimp two images together :)
[19:50] <bromic94> how do i do that
[19:50] <bromic94> i have never used gimp
[19:50] <bromic94> could i send you teh file?
[19:50] <crdlb> it's not difficult
[19:51] <bromic94> can you walk me through it
[19:51] <crdlb> are the monitors the same resolution?
[19:51] <bromic94> no different
[19:52] <bromic94> if it can fit on 1280 x 800 that is fine
[19:52] <crdlb> what's the second monitor's res?
[19:53] <bromic94> laptop is 1280 x 800 and my external is 1280 x 1024
[19:54] <Blues-Man> wow the flash plugin doesn't work anymore
[19:54] <bromic94> for what
[19:54] <crdlb> bromic94: ok, so create an image that is 2560x1024
[19:54] <crdlb> place the wallpaper you want in the top left 1280x800 region
[19:55] <bromic94> ok
[19:57] <ArcSighter1> kneeki: I'll stick to pidgin or xchat
[19:57] <vvk-> will the 9.04 beta be out in this weekend?
[19:57] <eseven73> hi, im having probs with the live cd, it just keeps spinning
[19:58] <ArcSighter1> kneeki: if you need something *really* portable then you need a client implemented in some interpreted language such as java, python or ruby
[19:58] <bromic94> how do i put it up in the top left 1280 x 800
[19:58] <bromic94> and i just scale the image right
[19:58] <kneeki> ArcSighter1: I've been using chatzilla so far, on Firefox. And it's been working pretty good so far
[19:59] <charlie-tca> eseven73: it should be out tonite
[19:59] <ArcSighter1> kneeki: in that case stick to it ;) or use seamonkey's embed one
[19:59] <bromic94> crdlb: it does not work
[19:59] <mamr> does anyone know, if the fglrx bug with xserver 1.6 is fixed or if the problem is still existing
[20:00] <mamr> ?
[20:00] <crdlb> mamr: there is a working version now
[20:00] <bromic94> crdlb: i change the image to be that size by scalling it and then uped to a desktop image and it does the same
[20:00] <crdlb> mamr: but it only supports r600 and r700
[20:00] <eseven73> charlie-tca: yes i know that but im trying to get alpha 6 working, but the cd just keeps spinning, even with check disk for defects option
[20:00] <crdlb> bromic94: if you give nautilus an image which is the size of your screen (2560x1024), it cannot scale it
[20:01] <mamr> will this problem be solved until the release?
[20:01] <bromic94> ok so what do i do wtih teh inital image
[20:01] <crdlb> because there's nothing to scale
[20:01] <crdlb> mamr: which problem?
[20:01] <mamr> you said not every chip is supported
[20:01] <mamr> I don't know, which chipset I got
[20:01] <crdlb> it's not a bug :/
[20:01] <charlie-tca> sorry, I was supposed to reply to vvk-
[20:02] <mamr> it's a feature? ;)
[20:02] <crdlb> mamr: do you know the marketed model?
[20:02] <mamr> I know it's proprietary software
[20:02] <charlie-tca> eseven73: do other cd's work? If so, it is probably a bad burn
[20:02] <mamr> but thought ubuntu has an unofficial driver from ati
[20:02] <vvk-> charlie-tca, ok
[20:02] <crdlb> mamr: yes, but if you don't have an r600 or r700, it will not work
[20:03] <eseven73> charlie-tca: yea others work fine, and the kd3 checksum seemed to be ok when i was burning it
[20:03] <mamr> I'll go and google which chipset I got :)
[20:03] <eseven73> errr k3b
[20:03] <crdlb> mamr: I could easily tell you ...
[20:03] <Ienorand> Hello, I'm trying to follow the debug steps on bug284377, but the sed command given is not working, could anyone give me some pointers?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Sounds like a bad burn, then. I have not had any problems with any of them since alpha3
[20:04] <Ienorand> bug 284377
[20:04] <bromic94> so crdlb what do i need to do to create hte image that big?
[20:04] <crdlb> bromic94: maybe it would be easier if you just opened your 1280x800 image in the gimp and went to Image > Canvas Size
[20:04] <crdlb> bromic94: then change it to 2560x1024 and save
[20:04] <LordKow> Ienorand, jaunty uses 2.6.28 try switching to that kernel first.
[20:05] <Ienorand> LordKow: I'm using latest daily livecd...
[20:05] <LordKow> Ienorand, what does "apt-cache policy linux" tell you for installed and candidate?
[20:06] <bromic94> crdlb: this is to have the image on both screens correct
[20:07] <Ienorand> LordKow: Sorry, only have one computer so ubuntu not available atm, has the kernel been bumped in the last 10 hours?
[20:07] <LordKow> it was bumped like... last november.
[20:07] <crdlb> bromic94: that would give you the image's background color on the second screen
[20:07] <crdlb> unless you place something there
[20:07] <bromic94> crdlb: i want the same image on btoh screens
[20:07] <crdlb> so put it there
[20:08] <bromic94> how
[20:08] <bromic94> just make the image even bigger?
[20:08] <crdlb> no
[20:08] <Ienorand> LordKow: So if I'm using the daily jaunty livecd from 25 march (yesterday) that should be the latest kernel yea?
[20:08] <crdlb> bromic94: you've already made the image the size of your screen
[20:08] <LordKow> Ienorand, should be. but it's not 2.6.27
[20:08] <crdlb> now you have to fill it with stuff
[20:08] <crdlb> the left half is your primary monitor, the right half is your secondary
[20:09] <Ienorand> LordKow: No, but the bug still applies...
[20:09] <Ienorand> LordKow: SO do you have any idea on how to mod the sed command given to make it work?
[20:12] <bromic94> for both
[20:12] <bromic94> i want the same image on tboh screens
[20:12] <o0Chris0o> how do I upgrade to beta when its out
[20:12] <LordKow> Ienorand, sec i need to follow the steps to figure out what TJ wants with the sed command
[20:12] <bromic94> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade if u have januty
[20:12] <bromic94> all ready
[20:12] <Ienorand> LordKow: cheers
[20:12] <bromic94> update-manager -d if u have 8.10
[20:12] <o0Chris0o> bromic94: thanks
[20:12] <bromic94> welcome
[20:13] <mvo> and make sure to report any problems with the upgrade as a bugreport to launchpad :)
[20:14] <teethdood> when is the beta coming out?
[20:16] <aredg> teethdood, now
[20:16] <Ienorand> mvo: that seemed like a rather ominous comment :)
[20:20] <hetauma> is beta postponed?
[20:20] <rconan> no
[20:20] <rconan> be patient
[20:21] <Ienorand> It seems it's always a bit "late", but I guess there is not set time
[20:21] <rconan> there is no set time
[20:21] <rconan> there are many timezones
[20:21] <rconan> ubuntu release team is not necesarily in your one
[20:22] <o0Chris0o> i noticed the new google start page :D
[20:22] <LordKow> Ienorand, im going to have you do the sed command in 2 parts... first of all are you completely caught up to the point where you need to run the sed command?
[20:22] <rconan> o0Chris0o: ??
[20:22] <MTecknology> So - if I stripped down my system a lot - what do I need to install to have my software detect what to launch when I click a link?
[20:23] <o0Chris0o> rconan: http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[20:24] <rconan> ah
[20:24] <o0Chris0o> rconan: it was the 8.10 one for awhile
[20:24] <Ienorand> LordKow: I think so, it's basically only having the source and copying the iles before right?...
[20:24] <Ienorand> *iles
[20:24] <Ienorand> *files (aargh!)
[20:24] <MTecknology> o0Chris0o: shiny
[20:24] <o0Chris0o> MTecknology: yup yup
[20:25] <LordKow> Ienorand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284377/comments/14 lets start from scratch to make sure we get it right for TJ
[20:25]  * o0Chris0o is still wondering how to make vista like glass panels
[20:25] <lupine_85> alpha 6 - that's coming along nicely
[20:25] <PhotoJim> win 20
[20:26] <lupine_85> usable yet?  (I don't care much about minor-moderate breakage, I just want something to play with)
[20:26] <Ienorand> LordKow: Okay, I'll try doing it in a virtual, which doesn't experience the bug but will still be able to follow the procedure I hope
[20:27] <LordKow> Ienorand, well if the bug doesnt happen then it's not going to do what TJ wants it to
[20:27] <LordKow> Ienorand, i'll make a comment on the bug report with a modified sed command. i know the problem and the fix to make it work
[20:29] <Ienorand> LordKow: Thankyou, since I'm on XP at the moment and doing the debug on livecd it's a bit complicated...
[20:29] <HolyScott> Are we getting close to new beta time?
[20:30] <rconan> yes, no-one knows when
[20:30] <rconan> be patient
[20:31] <HolyScott> are any of the devs who work on it ever in here?
[20:36] <DreamThief> anyone else had issues with frets on fire & python opengl bindings in jaunty?
[20:36] <Ienorand> LordKow: cheers, thoses commands seemed to at least give no error when trying them in virtual machine.
[20:37] <rww> DreamThief: It worked fine for me the other day. Kinda slow because I wasn't on fglrx, but I didn't get any errors.
[20:38] <DreamThief> rww: i should have said that i juse jaunty 64bit.
[20:38] <DreamThief> i got ...
[20:38] <rww> DreamThief: so do i
[20:38] <r0b> when will the jaunty beta be ready
[20:38] <hetauma> soon I guess
[20:39] <DreamThief> rww: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/109768/
[20:39] <rww> r0b: Sometime today, probably. A notice will go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-March/thread.html when it does
[20:39] <DreamThief> thats my error
[20:39] <DreamThief> and it sucks
[20:39] <DreamThief> i use a nvidia gtx260 with latest driver
[20:39] <DreamThief> from the repos
[20:40] <rww> DreamThief: does "sudo apt-get install python-pygame" help?
[20:40] <r0b> rww: thanks
[20:40] <DreamThief> rww: it's already installed, but I'll try a reinstall
[20:41] <rww> DreamThief: k. I'll try installing it again and see if I get errors this time.
[20:41] <DreamThief> wtf
[20:41] <DreamThief> now there's another error
[20:42] <rww> I just installed it, pulled up the Tutorial, and played it for a couple of seconds. All worked fine for me =/
[20:42] <rww> DreamThief: interesting. Pastebin that one too?
[20:42]  * lupine_85 grabs a jaunty
[20:42] <DreamThief> rww: okay, thanks for your suggestions.
[20:43] <DreamThief> i reinstalled python-opengl and python-numpy
[20:43] <DreamThief> the second error was about numpy
[20:43] <DreamThief> now it works
[20:43] <DreamThief> rww: thank you
[20:43] <rww> DreamThief: interesting. I guess something was funky when you installed it. A lot of the python stuff's been a mess recently, so it's not surprising. Glad I could help.
[20:50] <matt2909> when is beta due?
[20:50] <calc> matt2909: today i think
[20:50] <PhotoJim> today.
[20:51] <matt2909> time GMT?
[20:51] <calc> well due today whether it comes out today i'm not sure
[20:51] <calc> no cd updates for the past few days though so probably will be
[20:51] <calc> matt2909: whenever the release manager decides to call it done
[20:51] <rww> matt2909: no, sometime today sometime on the planet, and that isn't guaranteed.
[20:52] <matt2909> calc:cheers
[20:52] <mickstephenson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ alplha 6 just disappeared , expect beta to appear soon
[20:52] <matt2909> rww:thanks
[20:52] <calc> he lives in PDT so probably before midnight there
[20:52] <matt2909> mickstephenson:watching that space then ;)
[20:54] <DreamThief> hmmm ...
[20:54] <DreamThief> wtf
[20:54]  * calc checks to see if anything changed since yesterday
[20:55] <r0b> yippie kai yay
[20:55] <derBug> has anyone the eeepc 1000h and wlan with wpa2 is running?
[20:55] <calc> hmm looks like i have beta
[20:55] <calc> no changes
[20:56] <calc> at least no changes as of the last cd spin on the 24th
[20:57] <r0b> you can still get the daily build http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:58] <BUGabundo> :) is beta out?
[20:59] <matt2909> not yet
[20:59] <matt2909> :)
[20:59] <matt2909> BUGabundo: looks like its due anytime
[20:59] <Boomshanka> i wait
[20:59] <BUGabundo> matt2909: it's a joke!
[20:59] <Boomshanka> and wait...
[20:59] <BUGabundo> I stent the entire day repling that
[20:59] <rww> I install alpha6 and update and OH HEY it's the same thing!
[21:00] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:00] <matt2909> BUGabundo::)
[21:00] <matt2909> rww: so I'm guessing my rsync from todays iso will be the beta
[21:01] <rww> matt2909: if it's not, it'll be very very close
[21:01] <BUGabundo> matt2909: most prob
[21:01] <BUGabundo> unless something goes very wrong
[21:02] <r0b> how would i upgrade from alpha 6 to the beta with the disk/iso instead of using the update manager
[21:04] <rww> r0b: use the alternate iso and add it as an apt source with Software Sources or apt-cdrom, I imagein.
[21:04] <rww> imagine **
[21:04] <rww> never done it, though
[21:04] <BUGabundo> r0b just insert the disk
[21:04] <melik> guys how can i search for duplicate login names in /etc/passwd
[21:04] <BUGabundo> it should offer to update
[21:05] <ribo> you shouldn't have to do anything other than update with apt
[21:05] <BUGabundo> but it won't have all the package that you may have installed
[21:05] <melik> i need a simple bash script
[21:05] <PhotoJim> r0b: yup.  but not the best way to do it unless you have several systems to update.  you're having to download everything (to make the CD) instead of just the changed packages.
[21:05] <ribo> "alpha6" isn't a real release name
[21:05] <BUGabundo> PhotoJim: actually the best ways it to use apt-catcher
[21:05] <ribo> oh you *want* to use the CD
[21:05] <jtisme> who is the release manager for jaunty
[21:06] <PhotoJim> BUGabundo: true, that would be a better way for multiple systems.
[21:06] <r0b> the only problem i have with just upgrading that way is it i want to reinstall im downloading it all again
[21:06] <r0b> s/it i want/if i want
[21:06] <lupine_85> r0b, not if you cache the packages on disc somewhere
[21:06] <lupine_85> (/var/cache/apt/archives)
[21:06] <lupine_85> then you can copy them back over post-reinstall
[21:07] <lupine_85> although since half of them will have had updates since, it's hard to say how much of a benefit that might turn out to be
[21:07] <PhotoJim> r0b: then just install over your old installation.
[21:09] <BUGabundo> back from a memory leak
[21:09] <tomsdale> lupine_85: would that work on a live usb key as well? I tried updating a usb installation and do installations from this source but didn't work as expected.
[21:11] <tomsdale> but if I cache the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives I won't have to reaplly the updates to each subsequent installation?
[21:11] <calc> i use approx which works really well for caching across multiple ubuntu releases
[21:12] <calc> currently up to 7.5GB cache
[21:12] <BUGabundo> calc really? big cache dude
[21:12] <BUGabundo> mine is mostly empty
[21:12] <BUGabundo> im low on disk
[21:13] <lupine_85> I clear mine regularly
[21:13] <lupine_85> linux moves so fast, there's not a great deal of point keeping them around
[21:13] <BUGabundo> need to formart and make it larger or single partition
[21:13] <lupine_85> run a local mirror of your distribution pool instead
[21:14] <tomsdale> would the live cd installer consider the approx cache? I have a 8GB usb key and my intend is to be able to do a quick install with already applied updates.
[21:15] <BUGabundo> tomsdale: I used to update the liveusb and then install (even on livecd) but that proved to not be a good idea
[21:15] <lupine_85> nah, you'd need to hack the installer to get that
[21:15] <calc> BUGabundo: i cache all downloads and have to build for hardy/intrepid/jaunty so its large
[21:15]  * lupine_85 tends to use the netboot installer these days
[21:16] <BUGabundo> calc still... lol
[21:16] <calc> tomsdale: if you setup approx you have to point the url of the installer to the approx cache
[21:16] <tomsdale> BUGabundo: I did that and it had no effect whatsoever.
[21:16] <calc> tomsdale: i normally just do cd installs then all upgrades via approx, and also use approx for debootstrap builds
[21:17] <calc> BUGabundo: and OOo build depends are several GB
[21:17] <Machtin> hey guys.. i'm having some trouble with installing the nvidia-driver.. i installed the "kernel-source" package, but the installer says it can't find the kernel-source
[21:17] <BUGabundo> calc: I know! I got source once
[21:18] <PhotoJim> Machtin: does your /etc/apt/sources.list file have deb-src entries?
[21:19] <Machtin> PhotoJim: yup.
[21:19] <aredg> beta iso gonna be upped soon!
[21:20]  * calc looks in the secret location to see if it is already there
[21:20] <aredg> calc, i'm told the ISO is done and being prepped to be pushed to mirrors
[21:21] <Machtin> got an idea.. brb.
[21:21] <MTecknology> what application do you use to set the background?
[21:22] <calc> heh the secret dir tells you to not download from it
[21:22] <calc> -rw-rw-r--   729899008 2009/03/23 19:39:08 ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:23] <rar__> will the usb memory/drive add sense no sense current kernel bugs be fixed some time soon?
[21:23] <calc> the timestamps are all old so the previous spin should be the final beta
[21:23] <matt2909> calc: where are you getting the iso from
[21:23] <calc> newest iso i see is from march 24
[21:24] <calc> matt2909: not downloading it, i looked in the mirror staging area
[21:25] <calc> its not terribly hard to find aiui, but i'm not giving out the url
[21:26] <Machtin> hm.. didn't work :/
[21:26] <calc> i'll pastebin the ls though so you can see if you have the most up to date version
[21:26] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/138543/
[21:26] <matt2909> calc:if you've got an md5sum that would be great
[21:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: around ?
[21:27] <calc> i can get that its small
[21:28] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/138545/
[21:28] <calc> yea they are the version from the daily-live
[21:30] <Machtin> what driver could i use instead of "nvidia"?
[21:30] <lupine_85> nv, nouveau, vesa
[21:30] <lupine_85> (in order for preference, for me at least)
[21:30] <Machtin> didn't try nouveau yet.
[21:30] <lupine_85> last I tried it, it lasted a good 10 seconds before killing the kernel
[21:30] <lupine_85> not bad, all told
[21:31] <Machtin> :D
[21:31] <lupine_85> but that was a year+
[21:31] <JediMaster> is there an alternative to pulseaudio, for the last 2 weeks it's been crashing at least 20-30 times a day
[21:31] <lupine_85> JediMaster, you could just not use it and use alsa bare
[21:32] <JediMaster> apt-get install pulseaudio- alsa ?
[21:33] <JediMaster> hmmm, can't remove it as ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[21:33] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: 64bits?
[21:33] <JediMaster> how do I just use alsa instead?
[21:33] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: no, 32bit
[21:33] <Machtin> hm, nouveau doesn't work..
[21:33] <BUGabundo>  !audio
[21:33] <lupine_85> Machtin, not surprising really
[21:33] <JediMaster> ta
[21:33] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: see this bug and test dtchen kernel image please
[21:33] <Machtin> :)
[21:34] <Machtin> lupine_85: i'm a bit pissed that nvidia doesn't work
[21:34] <lupine_85> does it not?
[21:34] <Machtin> nope "no screens found"
[21:34] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: before changing to alsa?
[21:34]  * lupine_85 is about to dump it onto a Geforce 8200
[21:34] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: yes
[21:34] <BUGabundo> you will need to reboot
[21:34] <Machtin> the script also doesn't find my kernel-sources.. which i installed.
[21:35] <lupine_85> Machtin, ah, you're installing your own?
[21:35] <lupine_85> fail
[21:35] <Machtin> the ubuntu ones neither work
[21:35] <lupine_85> probably due to you mixing the two
[21:35] <lupine_85> I'll let you know how I get on
[21:35] <Machtin> ok
[21:35] <lupine_85> (note that this is a laptop so harder to support)
[21:36] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: in mplayer I'm getting hundereds of "A0: [pulse] Conection died: Connection terminated", I presume this is teh same issue?
[21:36] <HolyScott> beta is up and live
[21:36] <HolyScott> well one of them is
[21:36] <Machtin> yay.
[21:36] <HolyScott> ubuntu dvd
[21:36] <HolyScott> torrent.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <HolyScott> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/dvd/
[21:37] <Machtin> however, i always used nvidia drivers from the nvidia-site.. always worked.
[21:37] <Machtin> *sigh*
[21:37] <lupine_85> *shrug*
[21:37] <lupine_85> I used them for a while but they caused more problems than they solved
[21:37] <Machtin> hehe
[21:38] <lupine_85> linux-restricted-modules (and the debian equivalent) is sensible
[21:38] <Machtin> i'd be fine with vesa for now.. but i'd like to have full resolution
[21:38] <lupine_85> nv should cope
[21:38] <lupine_85> just no 3D
[21:38] <lupine_85> (and slightly broken resolution due to xrandr being silly for me)
[21:38]  * JediMaster chuckles at a bug report "kernel sauce"
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Machtin: its not recommend to use NVidia sites driver
[21:39] <lupine_85> nom :)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> actually everytime you go out of Ubuntu Archive you are putting your system at risk
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> is the beta iso out yet?
[21:40] <lupine_85> heh. every time you use the archive you're putting your system at risk too
[21:40]  * lupine_85 remembers an official update that broke X completely once
[21:40] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: I couldn't see any workarounds on that bug there, what am I missing?
[21:40] <lupine_85> took them several hours to get a patched version out
[21:40] <lupine_85> *shrug*
[21:40] <crdlb> that was dapper, wasn't it?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: NO
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: any idea of the ETA?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: it will be ready when ready
[21:41] <BUGabundo> if you are in an hurry you can upgrade NOW
[21:41] <BUGabundo> $ update-manager -d
[21:41] <BUGabundo> if you want the iso, get the daily
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Im planning a clean beta install to get a clean OS
[21:41] <BUGabundo> and then rsync for changes
[21:42] <rww> ActionParsnip: It'll be coming out soon. I'm pretty sure they're just waiting for the mirrors to download the relevant files.
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: and I help in #ubuntu #kubuntu a LOT so I need the new version to get to grips with it
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> rww: true, I'll grab it tomorrow, its 10pm here which is why i ask
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I'm pretty sure that beta will be the current daily
[21:42] <rww> ActionParsnip: probably your best bet
[21:43] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: I'm being stupid, if I double click on the volume control next to the time in the top right, it mutes, it doesn't bring any window up
[21:43] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: if I left click and click volume control, there's no file menu
[21:43] <BUGabundo> yes it's a "feature"
[21:43] <BUGabundo> not that I like it
[21:44] <BUGabundo> a triple action button is not great UI
[21:44] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: how do I get the right window up then?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> works for me
[21:45] <JediMaster> I have volume control up and it lets me select multiple devices
[21:45] <JediMaster> but there's no file menu
[21:46] <JediMaster> and the device is already on alsa, but it's definately using pulseaudio
[21:46] <BUGabundo> dunno
[21:46] <JediMaster> it's not that I can't hear sound
[21:46] <JediMaster> it's just that, especially if I pause videos, it crashes all the time
[21:47] <JediMaster> and not limited to one particular player, happens in vlc, mplayer and xbmc
[21:48] <calc> HolyScott: all of them are actually, i pasted the md5sums for them and they are the same as what is available under daily-live
[21:48] <calc> HolyScott: the only difference is the filename was renamed for the release
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> RELEASE IS EMINENT
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> IM SO EXCITED
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> OH MY GOD
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> IMMINENT
[21:50] <rww> calc: Assuming you're thinking of the same place I am, they could theoretically change. Probably won't, though.
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> NOT EMINENT I MMISSPELLED IT CAUSE IM SO EXICRED
[21:50] <Doctor_Nick> EXCIarrrrrrrrr
[21:50]  * lupine_85 shrugs, continues to install a6
[21:50] <rww> !caps | Doctor_Nick
[21:50] <calc> rww: the mirror staging location?
[21:50] <rww> calc: yes
[21:50] <calc> rww: yes they could change but given i haven't seen the RM say anything about a respin (on irc) i doubt it will happen
[21:50] <JediMaster> isn't release at the end of april?
[21:50] <calc> JediMaster: apr 23
[21:51] <JediMaster> thought as much
[21:51] <rww> JediMaster: Yes. Everyone's talking about the beta
[21:51] <JediMaster> oh, it's beta now?
[21:51] <rww> JediMaster: going to be sometime today
[21:51] <acicula> not yet :P
[21:51] <JediMaster> been running it since early alpha lol
[21:51] <JediMaster> tbh it's more stable than 8.10 beta was
[21:52] <calc> OOo should be much better than in 8.10 due to better bug triage :)
[21:52] <rww> JediMaster: I was thinking that too. Jaunty's impressive so far.
[21:52]  * lupine_85 gets brave, uses ect4
[21:52] <lupine_85> ext4*
[21:52] <Doctor_Nick> you're dead
[21:52] <calc> lupine_85: good luck ;-)
[21:53] <rww> lupine_85: Keep backups!
[21:53] <lupine_85> no need
[21:53] <lupine_85> it's a laptop I got yesterday
[21:53] <lupine_85> I made the Vista restore CDs just in case
[21:53] <JediMaster> lupine_85: seen lots of nightmare posts about ext4 issues
[21:53] <lupine_85> everything "important" is non-local
[21:53] <JediMaster> good good
[21:54] <JediMaster> hmmf I can't find any way to make alsa the default sound daemon over pulse
[21:54] <calc> when i reinstalled with the beta yesterday i switched to using GPT instead of MBR :)
[21:54] <qixcom> hi , I was about t watch an avi file when x crashed and when I logged back into my system it took a long time and now the panel and some icons do not fit the theme and everything seems to be crashing
[21:54] <qixcom> anyone any ideas?
[21:54] <bsnider> JediMaster, you must use pulse
[21:55] <JediMaster> really>
[21:55] <JediMaster> ?
[21:55] <JediMaster> it's crashing ALL the time
[21:55] <JediMaster> started about 2-3 weeks ago
[21:55] <bsnider> no it isn't
[21:55] <JediMaster> it's crashig ALL the time on my system
[21:55] <qixcom> I mean everything is crashing, bonobo, volume applet, gstreamer, pidgin wont even run
[21:55] <JediMaster> every time I pause video it then crashes when I resume it
[21:55] <calc> JediMaster: file bug repor then with backtraces if possible
[21:55] <bsnider> which sound card?
[21:56] <JediMaster> calc: how do I run backtraces?
[21:56] <calc> qixcom: do a memtest
[21:56] <Do``> hey. i just upgraded to 9.04 and after login, gnome doesnt load. cant find anything related in google. anyone knows if this is a known issue?
[21:56] <calc> JediMaster: usually the crash detector will do it for you automatically, if it pops up and says crash detected have it report the bug
[21:56] <cwillu> Do``, ati?
[21:56] <qixcom> thanks calc be back soon
[21:56] <Do``> cwillu: no, nvidia
[21:57] <JediMaster> calc: it doesn't detect it
[21:57] <cwillu> Do``, revert to vesa for now, see if that brings it back
[21:57] <JediMaster> calc: however apps such as mplayer report at the command line (thousands of times) that it's lost connection to pulse
[21:57] <Do``> cwillu: how? :)
[21:57] <cwillu> Do``, you didn't happen to install the nvidia driver off their website previously did you?
[21:57] <cwillu> (I mean, any time in the last year)
[21:57] <bsnider> Do``, you upgraded or clean installed it?
[21:57] <Do``> cwillu: no, never
[21:57] <calc> JediMaster: hmm probably just report the bug with as much info as you can then
[21:57] <Do``> bsnider: upgrade from 8.10
[21:57] <calc> JediMaster: they may be able to help you track down the problem
[21:58] <bsnider> that's likely theproblem
[21:58] <cwillu> Do``, reboot into single user mode, there's a menu of options that you should be able to figure out
[21:58] <JediMaster> calc, not much info I can give, will try though
[21:58] <bsnider> try clean installing it
[21:58] <cwillu> bsnider, Do``, upgrade from 8.10 should work
[21:58] <lifi> beta released yet?
[21:58] <Do``> cwillu: and what's the menu option called? :D
[21:58] <cwillu> Do``, don't know off hand :p
[21:58] <bsnider> it didn't work in this case though
[21:58] <cwillu> Do``, you'll know it when you see it
[21:59] <Do``> cwillu: i'm there and i don't see anything relavant
[21:59] <cwillu> bsnider, and figuring out why is more important than getting the system working
[21:59] <bsnider> i disagree
[21:59] <cwillu> Do``, failsafe x session or something along those lines?
[21:59] <Do``> cwillu: not really
[21:59] <cwillu> bsnider, what do you think alpha and beta cycles are about?  It's not to give people a chance to leach off the community
[21:59] <cwillu> Do``, k, give me a sec, I'll reboot my laptop and check
[22:00] <bsnider> there's no guarantee upgrading is going to work
[22:00] <Do``> then dont build that option
[22:00] <Doctor_Nick> BETA RELEASE IS IMMINENT
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> lol
[22:00] <Do``> cwillu: maybe i'm at the wrong screen, exactly what "single user mode" are you talking about?
[22:00] <Vorbote> JediMaster and cwillu, I suggest that you reset the gconf database, log out and log in again. Doing a "gconftool --recursive-unset '/'" (without the double quotes) will do the trick. Don't just go blindly applying my advice though. If you use evolution, you better backup its gconf database first.
[22:00] <BUGabundo> Doctor_Nick: LOL
[22:01] <Doctor_Nick> THE ALPHA 6 RELEASE IS GONE
[22:01] <cwillu> Do``, rebooting into recovery mode, the recovery kernel that's listed in grub
[22:01] <cwillu> Vorbote, eh?
[22:01] <Doctor_Nick> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[22:01] <Do``> cwillu: oh ok, gimme a sec to reboot then
[22:01] <Do``> (on the other computer)
[22:01] <Vorbote> Many crashes in the last days are caused by the gnome 2.26.0 transition.
[22:02] <JediMaster> hmm forgot the linux box is my router now haha
[22:02] <Vorbote> gconf keys are not precisely compatible with the previous development versions.
[22:02] <JediMaster> shows how stable the alpha is =)
[22:02] <cwillu> extra gconf keys shouldn't cause a crash
[22:03] <Do``> cwillu: xfix is the best candidate in the recovery menu
[22:03] <Vorbote> cwillu: you will be surprised.
[22:03] <cwillu> Vorbote, I will be, but I will also file bugs and watch them be fixed because upgrades are supposed to work
[22:04] <Vorbote> cwillu: experience before speculation :-)
[22:04] <cwillu> I mean, a chief benefit of linux in general is supposed to be how you _don't_ have to reinstall your system every 6 months to keep things running at their peak performance
[22:04] <cwillu> Vorbote, I have a stack of original 4.10 cds
[22:04] <cwillu> my laptop's been through all the alphas since dapper
[22:05] <Vorbote> cwillu: and I installed kernel 0.24 in a Sharp 20 Mb palmbook in 1991, so what.
[22:05] <cwillu> you find me the spec that says 'upgrades aren't expected to work', and I'll believe you
[22:05] <Do``> cwillu: can you point me to a (few step) guide that would help me switch to vesa? i havent exactly done anything like this before?
[22:06] <cwillu> Do``, did xfix fire up?
[22:06] <Do``> cwillu: done that, is that it?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> cwillu: you should have emailed them to us
[22:07] <BUGabundo> we made a wall with Old CDs
[22:07] <Vorbote> cwillu: besides I never told you to reinstall Linux. Cleaning your personal gconf registry is a very usual practice in GNOME, in fact it is easier that cleaning KDE configuration directories.
[22:07] <bsnider> how do you even know this is a graphics driver issue
[22:07] <cwillu> Vorbote, from http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading  --> "Upgrades from 8.04 to 8.10 are fully supported"
[22:07] <JediMaster-> I ran pulseaudio (with no command line params) in one terminal and then ran mplayer in another, it started playing fine, I hit pause then resumed, and the video played a few frames, then froze
[22:07] <cwillu> BUGabundo, but then I wouldn't have them :)
[22:07] <cwillu> Do``, try it :p
[22:07] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[22:08] <Do``> cwillu: oki
[22:08] <JediMaster-> "AO: [pulse] Connection died: Connection terminated" scrolls down the screen until I hit ctrl-c on mplayer
[22:08] <BUGabundo> JediMaster known bug
[22:08] <JediMaster-> and pulseaudio says:
[22:08] <JediMaster-> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[22:08] <JediMaster-> E: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload.
[22:08] <JediMaster-> so I presume it's eating 100% cpu time
[22:08] <Do``> cwillu: same thing :(
[22:09] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: what's the bug id?
[22:09] <Cycom> so.....the alpha-6 folder in /releases/jaunty is gone...
[22:09] <Cycom> but still no beta folder
[22:09] <rww> guys it'll be coming out soon quit asking about it k guys
[22:09] <BUGabundo> JediMaster don't know! too many bugs on audio to know them all
[22:09] <bsnider> cwillu, all he said is that gnome doesn't load. how do you know this is a graphics driver issue? he hasn't provided enough information to troubleshoot
[22:09] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: lol ok, any idea on titles?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> JediMaster are u using dtchen patched kernel?
[22:09] <JediMaster-> or what to search for?
[22:09] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: no, I couldn't find the details
[22:10] <BUGabundo>  !audio
[22:10] <Do``> bsnider: i get my wallpaper, panels and menus and context menus and stuff are missing, ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt bring me back to login screen, mouse is responsive to movement
[22:10] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[22:10] <BUGabundo> get those kernel image
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and reboot
[22:10] <BUGabundo> see if it fixes it for you JediMaster
[22:10] <bsnider> that doesn't sound like a graphics driver issue to me
[22:10] <Cycom> rww: I'm just saying that currently the alpha6 cd images AREN'T available.
[22:11] <bsnider> sounds like you're missing gnome packages
[22:11] <bsnider> which gets into the problematic issue of upgrading. sometimes packages are missed
[22:11] <Do``> bsnider: is there some sort of a list i could check against in the recovery console?
[22:11] <bsnider> no
[22:12] <bsnider> i don't know if your sources.list is correct. you might have half jaunty half intrepid
[22:12] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: i386 kernel for intel core2 duo?
[22:12] <JediMaster-> I have the generic SMP one installed ATM
[22:12] <bsnider> Do``, try cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:12] <BUGabundo> what do you have?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> 32 or 64?
[22:12] <bsnider> see lots of jaunty in there?
[22:13] <JediMaster-> 32
[22:13] <BUGabundo> then get the 32 files
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and common
[22:13] <Do``> bsnider: all jaunty
[22:13] <bsnider> Do``, NO intrepid right? that's the story?
[22:13] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: common?
[22:13] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2_i386.deb ?
[22:14] <Do``> bsnider: there are a few intrepid lines commented, but that's it. every enable repo is jaunty
[22:14]  * cwillu mutters
[22:14] <bsnider> ok, you're on the internet?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> JediMaster all of them for 32 + common
[22:14] <bsnider> what nvidia card is it?
[22:14] <Do``> bsnider: 7600gt
[22:15] <JediMaster-> BUGabundo: I physically don't see the word "common" on the page there
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> hey
[22:15]  * BUGabundo checks
[22:15] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/linux-headers-2.6.28-11_2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2_all.deb
[22:15] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2_i386.deb
[22:15] <bsnider> Do``, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:15] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/linux-headers-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2_i386.deb
[22:15] <bsnider> there should be a line driver "nvidia"
[22:15] <BUGabundo> JediMaster ^^^
[22:15] <JediMaster-> right, thanks
[22:16] <tretle> is anyone else experiencing issues with jaunty not booting up properly, the theme is broken most applets arent working, gstreamer is dead etc
[22:16] <o0Chris0o> you guys arent going to like what I am going to ask, but here it goes...
[22:16] <tretle> ?
[22:16] <Do``> bsnider: rebooted to netroot for internet, 1 sec
[22:16] <bsnider> tretle, i guess Do`` is
[22:16]  * lupine_85 boots into jaunty
[22:16] <JediMaster-> mmmm 1.01MBytes/sec on wget
[22:16] <lupine_85> let's see how much works at first glance
[22:16] <JediMaster-> at home =)
[22:16] <o0Chris0o> how many betas till RC?
[22:17] <bsnider> o0Chris0o, 19
[22:17] <Doctor_Nick> CHECK THE RELEASE SCHEDULE
[22:17] <lupine_85> first impression is that it got the sound and resolution right
[22:17] <lupine_85> which is more than suse, opensolaris and lenny did :D
[22:17] <rww> o0Chris0o: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[22:17] <rww> Doctor_Nick: QUIT SHOUTING
[22:17] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[22:17] <lupine_85> ooh, and wifi
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> rww: ahh thanks
[22:18] <lupine_85> +2 ubuntgu
[22:18] <josh-l> impatient for beta release :(
[22:18] <JediMaster> ok, rebooting =)
[22:19] <Do``> bsnider: ok, i dont see nvidia in xorg.conf
[22:19] <Do``> bsnider: i ran xfix at cwillu's advice earlier
[22:19] <bsnider> Do``, what's beside the word driver?
[22:19] <lupine_85> oh good, they turned off the GTK interface for mtr
[22:20] <Do``> there is no "driver" in xorg.conf
[22:20] <bsnider> oh, that's good
[22:20] <Do``> grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> nothing
[22:20] <JediMaster> what is the difference between the current alpha with apt-get update/upgrade and the new beta?
[22:20] <bsnider> it will likely pick the nv driver, which should work
[22:20] <tuxxy__> any news on the beta guys
[22:20] <rww> lupine_85: mtr-tiny (the one installed with Ubuntu by default) has done that for a while
[22:20] <rww> JediMaster: nothing
[22:20] <rww> tuxxy__: every time someone asks, it gets pushed back an hour
[22:20] <bsnider> Do``, sudo apt-get update
[22:20] <JediMaster> pfft, just get the alpha and upgrade then guys? =)
[22:20] <Ienorand> Gosh, this chat really heats up close to release...
[22:20] <rww> JediMaster: i know rite
[22:20] <tuxxy__> heh sorry I was afk for a while and just checkin
[22:21] <Do``> bsnider:  ye, i need some internet for that :) 1 min
[22:21] <rww> Ienorand: you should see #ubuntu-release-party
[22:21] <lupine_85> rww, all I know is that on intrepid, "mtr" is GTK
[22:21] <lupine_85> which is the suck :)
[22:21] <rww> (when the release comes out, anyway)
[22:21] <JediMaster> the alpha is pretty stable, or was until 3 weeks ago when pulseaudio started dieing for me lol
[22:21] <rww> lupine_85: mtr is GTK. mtr-tiny is not. mtr-tiny is the one installed by default
[22:21] <oobscure> hi all. I see that DVD iso has been published. Is CDs iso going to be published too, or DVD is the only expected medium?
[22:21] <rww> oobscure: CD iso will get published too
[22:21] <lupine_85> dunno what happened there then
[22:21] <oobscure> phew! thanks rww
[22:22] <BUGabundo> oobscure: still nothng there
[22:22] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[22:22]  * lupine_85 installs, is happy
[22:22] <calc> the daily from mar 24 is the current beta candidate and most likely will be the beta unless someone reports an OMG bug
[22:22] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:22] <BUGabundo> my guess too
[22:22] <calc> BUGabundo: its more than just a guess as the staging mirror area has those files named as beta
[22:22] <BUGabundo> plus no files on the build dds
[22:23] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[22:23] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: well I've just installed and rebooted
[22:23] <BUGabundo> inside info
[22:23] <JediMaster> and guess what?
[22:23] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/138545/
[22:23] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/138545/
[22:23] <rww> oobscure: The sekrit hidden staging place has "730886144 Mar 24 00:39 ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso"
[22:23] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: gessing
[22:23] <calc> oops sorry for double pasting
[22:23] <JediMaster> I no longer get pulseaudio giving me those errors and neither does mplayer
[22:23] <rww> oobscure: note 1) CD size, 2) it's the same as the daily
[22:23] <JediMaster> HOWEVER, videoplayback doesn't resume
[22:24] <calc> rww: i even grabbed the md5sums for people wondering if somehow managed to be the exact same size but different ;-)
[22:24] <rww> calc: yeah, i noticed :)
[22:24] <JediMaster> I can quit and restart mplayer/vlc
[22:24] <JediMaster> and audio is working still
[22:24] <JediMaster> but video pausing is still foobared
[22:24] <Do``> bsnider: ok, got internet, now updating
[22:24] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: flash is worse!
[22:24] <BUGabundo> its recent! it was working better last week
[22:24] <BUGabundo> totem is slowwwww
[22:24] <Do``> bsnider: update finished, nothing to upgrade
[22:24] <BUGabundo> vlc works ok
[22:25] <Vorbote> That's no surprise. The releases are usually a respin of the last known-to-work *daily* You can start installing that one and then rsync it or use jigdo to update it to the beta.
[22:25] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: hmmm yeah vlc is working, mplayer isn't
[22:25] <tretle> do`` is the theme messed up?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:25] <BUGabundo> me too
[22:25] <JediMaster> same thing?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:25] <JediMaster> video freezes up after pausing
[22:25] <Do``> tretle: i dont see anything after gnome login than my wallpaper and the mouse pointer
[22:25] <dtchen> my fixes have been merged into jaunty mainline, so they'll be in -11.38
[22:26] <JediMaster> well after resuming
[22:26] <Cycom> rww: how is the disc built anyhow? a compile machine does all the magic compiling?
[22:26] <tuxxy__> well its gonna be the 27th in 90 mins
[22:26] <dtchen> now, back to fixing pulseaudio now that the linux task is completed
[22:26] <calc> Cycom: something like that, there are special scripts that are run to do it
[22:26] <Vorbote> JediMaster: try using the instructions to enable mplayer in pulseaudio.org. (and do tell us if that works).
[22:26] <lupine_85> ah, this isn't alpha 6 at all, it's the daily
[22:26] <lupine_85> that explains why there's only 2 packages to update :D
[22:26] <Cycom> calc: are they available for viewing and downloading?
[22:26] <JediMaster> mplayer is useful as I can screen it then ssh into the machine from laptop and screen -x and control it lol
[22:26] <calc> tuxxy__: won't be the 27th for the release manager for another 8.5hr
[22:27] <JediMaster> Vorbote: it does appear to use pulseaudio, it just freezes when pausing and resuming
[22:27] <tuxxy__> I thoguth it was GMT
[22:27] <calc> Cycom: i don't know never looked at them
[22:27] <calc> tuxxy__: i think it just ends being before he goes to bed today
[22:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: Nice! success so no longer we need to recommend the kernel images?
[22:27] <Vorbote> JediMaster: that could be caused by the pulseaudio-alsa interface libraries which aren't that great yet. In that case it is a genuine bug.
[22:28] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i will remove them once -11.38 is available in the repositories
[22:28] <tuxxy__> where is he?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[22:28] <bsnider> Do``, uname -r
[22:28] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: it's working in XBMC too
[22:28] <dtchen> Vorbote: err, which bug(s)?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> humm what's that?
[22:28] <JediMaster> (yes, I know it's not official ubuntu)
[22:28] <Do``> bsnider: 2.6.28-11-generic
[22:28] <JediMaster> best media player ever =)
[22:28] <bsnider> right kernel
[22:28] <JediMaster> xbox media center
[22:28] <bsnider> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[22:28] <tuxxy__> waht timezone is release manager on
[22:29] <JediMaster> used to have it on my hacked xbox original =)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> guys calm down! lets enjoy now that dtchen is here
[22:29] <BUGabundo> so we can fix some audio bugs!
[22:29] <JediMaster> it si a GREAT media player
[22:29] <dtchen> huh?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip3> JediMaster: dont you find it bloated
[22:29] <Do``> bsnider: done
[22:29] <BUGabundo> until beta links are available and ppl go mad again
[22:29] <Vorbote> pulseaudio uses an alsa emulation layer that is presented to alsa-only apps. It is slow as molasses.
[22:29] <o0Chris0o> !ubuntulooks
[22:29] <o0Chris0o> !package ubuntulooks
[22:29] <bsnider> Do``, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. it might pull in other packages too
[22:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: last night I manage to get sound recorder and audacity to work
[22:29] <JediMaster> ActionParsnip3: it wouldn't run as well mplayer would do on a low spec machine, but this is a core2 duo with 4GB ram, so it runs nicely =)
[22:29] <Vorbote> At least if you are not using a core 2 duo or better... :-)
[22:30] <dtchen> Vorbote: worded poorly. rather, native alsa-lib apps are routed through pulseaudio, which uses alsa's raw hw:
[22:30] <ActionParsnip3> xmbc = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-71613567533315476
[22:30] <BUGabundo> it capture both embed mic (left and rigt) and the ear mic too
[22:30] <calc> tuxxy__: PDT
[22:30] <Do``> bsnider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1066125 i found this while waiting for the netroot to find a dhcp assigned ip
[22:30] <BUGabundo> dtchen: but flash is strange
[22:30] <dtchen> Vorbote: and, of course, you can always opt to redefine {pcm,ctl}.!default
[22:30] <Do``> bsnider: no, didnt install anything else, all dependencies are met
[22:30] <BUGabundo> its capturing audio out! changing on pavcontrol
[22:30] <BUGabundo> doesn't seem to work
[22:31] <ActionParsnip3> JediMaster: if i didnt mind bloat i'd use kde ;) i hate unnecessary bloat, sucks
[22:31] <dtchen> Vorbote: i explicitly fixed our pulseaudio packages some months ago to honour ~/.asoundrc (and /etc/asound.conf, of course)
[22:31] <bsnider> Do``, dkms status
[22:31] <Vorbote> dtchen: of course. But don't expect Joe Ubuntu to do it without first throwing a tantrum in an IRC channel. :-)
[22:31] <tuxxy__> calc: no actually its the 27th everywhere at midnight
[22:31] <dtchen> Vorbote: yeah, well, i appreciate any assistance anyone else can give me, as fixing Ubuntu isn't my dayjob.
[22:31] <Do``> bsnider: nvidia 180.37, 2.6.27-11-generic, i686: built | nvidia 180.37, 2.6.28-11-generic, i686: installed
[22:32] <JediMaster> BUGabundo: where did you find the kernel?
[22:32] <lupine_85> ok, nvidia drivers "just work" too, once installed
[22:32] <Cycom> dtchen: hey, you know anything about the build scripts for the isos?  I wanted to see how it was done.
[22:32] <bsnider> Do``, try rebooting in normal mode
[22:32] <dtchen> Cycom: the livefs ones? not offhand (they've changed somewhat)
[22:32] <dtchen> JediMaster: which kernel?
[22:33] <Do``> bsnider: but nothing changed since last time when it was still not okay
[22:33] <bsnider> Do``, i want a more detailed explanation of what you're seeing
[22:33] <Do``> bsnider: alrighty
[22:33] <aid_> calc, how can it be 8.5 hours till the 27th?
[22:33] <Vorbote> dtchen: personally I haven't fixed it yet in my setup simply because I want to run this crate as close to pristine as possible and catch reproducible bugs, but the pulseaudio freezes are starting to get on my nerves :-)
[22:33] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: ah? what kernel? dtchen one?
[22:34] <JediMaster> aye
[22:34] <dan-ubuntu> !jaunty
[22:34] <dtchen> Vorbote: the freezes are mostly fixed. i've already submitted and gotten the linux ones included.
[22:34] <JediMaster> dtchenI guess lol
[22:34] <dan-ubuntu> !jaunty beta
[22:34]  * JediMaster feels silly now
[22:34] <rww> aid_: because timezones exist
[22:34] <dtchen> JediMaster: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[22:34] <bsnider> dtchen, why isn't alsa 1.0.19 in jaunty?
[22:34] <dtchen> JediMaster: check the SHA256SUM for the appropriate debs
[22:34] <JediMaster> dtchen: I know, got it installed =)
[22:34] <Do``> bsnider: new bootloader -> new login screen with working menus -> login -> my watchmen wallpaper loads after a few seconds, mouse pointer is there
[22:34] <aid_> yes but which timezone is the release manager in?
[22:34] <dtchen> bsnider: because it requires changes that are too invasive this late in the development cycle
[22:35] <Vorbote> dtchen: that's really good news. I could not leave this crate running overnight because somehow pulseaudio would cause the oom-killer to go trigger happy.
[22:35] <calc> aid_: its only 3:35PM where the release manager lives
[22:35] <rww> aid_: PDT, apparently
[22:35] <bsnider> dtchen, changes to pulseaudio?
[22:35] <JediMaster> dtchen: I presume this is your kernel patch then? I can confirm it fixes the pulseaudio issues I've been having for the last 2-3 weeks
[22:35] <dtchen> bsnider: kernel-side isn't such a big deal, but user-space side requires a soname bump and corresponding recompile across all libasound2 rdepends
[22:35] <aid_> calc, ok thanks
[22:35] <Do``> bsnider: no right click menus, no gnomepanel, no selection box with held down left mouse button, no reaction to ctrl+alt+backspace, no icons on the desktop
[22:35] <dtchen> bsnider: what about pulseaudio changes?
[22:36] <Vorbote> dtchen: but the stack traces weren't telling anything significant I'm afraid, just "gnome-session made a boo boo, calling oom-killer"
[22:36] <dtchen> bsnider: again, updating the entire audio stack is really, really fragile post-Beta
[22:36] <stanley_> oioi
[22:36] <aid_> lol
[22:36] <bsnider> well, alsa 1.0.19 has been out for a while now
[22:36] <stanley_> LOL
[22:36] <Do``> bsnider: that's it i guess, that's all i see
[22:37] <aid_> i need some updates me compiz giving me grief
[22:37] <stanley_> me bottom givin me grief
[22:37] <aid_> lol
[22:37] <dtchen> bsnider: i'm well aware. Feature Freeze came well before 1.0.19 was released.
[22:37] <bsnider> Do``, does alt+F2 work?
[22:37] <dan-ubuntu> yes
[22:37] <stanley_> ctl att backspace dont
[22:37] <calc> dtchen: and don't the kernel and alsa using try to stay in sync besides that?
[22:37] <dtchen> bsnider: also, there is no compelling reason to backport 1.0.19 this late in the cycle
[22:37] <dtchen> calc: absolutely, which is one of the points i made above
[22:37] <Do``> bsnider: i can hear the hard drives doing something, but no, the window doesnt appear
[22:37] <calc> dtchen: ah ok i missed that part :)
[22:38] <dtchen> we've been burned pretty badly in the past when they were desynced
[22:38] <JediMaster> dtchen: gf says thanks for the kernel patch, we can watch videos without it freezing =)
[22:38] <Vorbote> dtchen: I was 95% sure it was pulseaudio because the system would be memory starved without touching swap.
[22:38] <lupine_85> overall, good job so far :)
[22:38] <bsnider> Do``, what about virtual console? ctrl+alt+F1
[22:38] <Do``> bsnider: that works
[22:38]  * lupine_85 checks some niggles from intrepid out
[22:39] <bsnider> DOare you ok with blowing away your desktop settings?
[22:39] <Do``> bsnider: sure
[22:39] <Do``> bsnider: oh 1 thing i forgot, my tv-tuner card is turned on after login, i can hear that too
[22:39] <bsnider> rm -rf .gconfd
[22:40] <Do``> bsnider: done
[22:40] <dtchen> i think you mean ~/.gconf*
[22:40] <bsnider> yeah that one too
[22:41] <Do``> i did rm -r .gconfd :)
[22:41] <bsnider> he's already pointing at home though
[22:41] <rww> there's a .gconf too
[22:41] <bsnider> do rm -rf .gconf*
[22:41] <Do``> done
[22:41] <bsnider> reboot
[22:41] <BUGabundo> alt+F2 , type fish, enter! does it work??? not on my system
[22:41] <rww> BUGabundo: no, because I'm using twm :P
[22:42] <BUGabundo> doesn't work here either
[22:42] <BUGabundo> with compiz
[22:42] <dtchen> Vorbote: they are several remaining PA issues. Is the shm caching a serious issue for you or somethinG?
[22:42] <phoenixz> Hi there, anybody who can tell me if there are already kubuntu 9.10 repos available?
[22:42] <phoenixz> and if so, where?
[22:42] <lupine_85> woo, firefox fixed. and it no longer tries to make me buy MP3 codecs
[22:42] <bsnider> dtchen, are you basically grabbing the fedora pulseaudio and rebuilding it for ubuntu?
[22:42] <dtchen> bsnider: uh, no. if only it were that simple.
[22:43] <bsnider> really. i thought i read that somewhere
[22:43] <Vorbote> dtchen: I think so. This box has only one 1Gb RAM and that's limiting.
[22:43] <rww> phoenixz: run "do-release-upgrade -d" at the terminal
[22:43] <dtchen> bsnider: where? i'd like to beat the tar out of whomever said that.
[22:43] <moparisthebest> i need a jaunty livecd, where can I find one?
[22:43] <bsnider> oh i can't remember now. it was a while ago
[22:43] <Do``> bsnider: same thing :/ except now i dont see my watchmen wallpaper, but instead that new ubuntu wallpaper with the lines on it
[22:43] <o0Chris0o> !install | moparisthebest
[22:44] <rww> moparisthebest: The beta's coming out soon, so you might want to wait a couple of hours then ask again :)
[22:44] <the_dark_warrio> is beta launching today?
[22:44] <moparisthebest> o0Chris0o, i know how to install it, but i need a livecd
[22:44] <bsnider> i thought fedora was the pulseaudio leader, so i thought it made sense
[22:44] <dtchen> bsnider: Fedora 11 has a completely upgraded audio stack; Ubuntu 9.04 has so many workarounds for our older audio stack.
[22:44] <phoenixz> rww: how (un)advisable would it be to do an upgrade now?
[22:44] <moparisthebest> my computer is hosed now though, and I need a livecd with ext4 support :/
[22:44] <bsnider> dtchen, can you expand on what you mean by that?
[22:45] <Vorbote> moparisthebest: search for RIPLinuX 7.8
[22:45] <dtchen> bsnider: where would you like me to begin?
[22:45] <phoenixz> rww: as in, how braindead will my laptop end up? just a little retarded, or like a tomato plant?
[22:45] <JediMaster> dtchen: any chance your patch will make it into the main kernel?
[22:45] <dtchen> JediMaster: it was merged ~9 hours ago and will appear in -11.38
[22:45] <rww> moparisthebest: the alpha 6 CDs got taken off the mirrors in preparation for the beta, hence me saying you should probably wait
[22:45]  * JediMaster cheers for dtchen
[22:45] <rww> moparisthebest: you could grab a daily CD, I guess. lemmie grab you a URL
[22:46] <lupine_85> phoenixz, I did an install from the daily literally 10 minutes ago
[22:46] <lupine_85> it works fine
[22:46] <lupine_85> 2 upgrades
[22:46] <moparisthebest> oh, well that explains why i can't find them then
[22:46] <JediMaster> dtchen: so the next apt-get upgrade should include it then?
[22:46] <bsnider> dtchen, alright how about this. if fedora can have a totally new stack, why not ubuntu as well? why keep doing workarounds for the old stuff?
[22:46] <phoenixz> lupine_85: I'll be upgrading from 8.10..
[22:46] <dtchen> JediMaster: the next *linux* will
[22:46] <rww> moparisthebest: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/non-ports/daily/current/ is the daily link, but it only has the alternate CD
[22:46] <JediMaster> that too =)
[22:46] <lupine_85> phoenixz, ah. I did a fresh install
[22:46] <hmw> dtchen, i have been asked to point you at my bug report #348979
[22:46] <dtchen> bsnider: because we have a different release schedule
[22:46] <JediMaster> dtchen: I understand it's more than just ubuntu, but ubuntu is all that matters ;-)
[22:46] <lupine_85> hah!
[22:46] <rww> phoenixz: it should be okay, but jaunty is a developer release, so anything could happen
[22:46] <dtchen> hmw: please query (privmsg) me with that url; i can't track everything in all the irc channels
[22:47] <rww> s/is a developer release/is in development/
[22:47] <lupine_85> JediMaster, ubuntu is some desktop-friendly polish in my view ;)
[22:47] <bsnider> dtchen, that probably won't keep lennart from badmouthing ubuntu again
[22:47] <lupine_85> like the chamois cloth that come with my laptop
[22:47] <josh-l> uggh release beta already
[22:47] <lupine_85> *ahem*
[22:47] <phoenixz> rww: :) I know, but then again I also installed KDE 4.0.. after that I can handle everything!
[22:47] <rww> josh-l: every time you whine about it, it gets pushed back an hour
[22:47] <dtchen> bsnider: i don't care if he badmouths Ubuntu
[22:47] <Do``> bsnider: any more ideas i could try?
[22:47] <JediMaster> josh-l: just get the alpha and dist-upgrade =)
[22:47] <moparisthebest> thanks rww, a command line is all i need anyway :)
[22:47] <bsnider> Do``, no change?
[22:47] <josh-l> JediMaster, yeah too many probs with it on my laptop
[22:48] <dtchen> bsnider: he doesn't have to handle integration issues in Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, ...
[22:48] <JediMaster> josh-l: been using it for months
[22:48] <phoenixz> rww: NOT whining here but.. when will betas be available? If its like, tomorrow, I'll wait for those..
[22:48] <JediMaster> josh-l: but it's no different from an updated alpha
[22:48] <JediMaster> AFAIK
[22:48] <Do``> bsnider: i get the new default wallpaper instead of my watchmen wallpaper from before upgrading, but other than that everything is exaclty the same
[22:48] <josh-l> phoenixz, supposed to be today
[22:48] <dtchen> bsnider: people who use Ubuntu derivatives and remixes expect their desktops - which don't necessarily use PA - to continue working
[22:48] <josh-l> but
[22:48] <josh-l> you never know
[22:48] <rww> phoenixz: we don't know. Probably some time before the 26th ends everywhere on the planet. Probably before the 26th ends in PDT.
[22:48] <JediMaster> unless it's installer issues?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> dtchen: how to put mic audio in here  http://bambuser.com/node/116932 ??
[22:48] <rww> phoenixz: The announcement will be on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-March/
[22:49] <phoenixz> rww: ahw, in that case I'd better wait.. why install an alpha today when the beta is there tomorrow... ?
[22:49] <rww> phoenixz: exactly :)
[22:49] <lupine_85> fedora is very breakage-happy
[22:49] <rww> phoenixz: although, upgraded alpha6 is the same as beta, theoretically
[22:49] <phoenixz> rww: in that case... release that beta already!! :)
[22:49] <dtchen> BUGabundo: please msg me the url. i can't track it.
[22:49] <JediMaster> I'm running something like alpha2 lol
[22:49] <JediMaster> upgraded =)
[22:49] <lupine_85> it's all the same really
[22:49] <lupine_85> if the package list is the same, I'm happy
[22:49] <JediMaster> exactly =)
[22:50] <bsnider> Do``, well i'd do a clean install. i did do a clean instaqll 2 days ago with no issues
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: sent
[22:50] <phoenixz> rww: might be, but on my internet connection, when I am halfway through upgrading to alpha 6, I can restart everything for the beta..
[22:50] <josh-l> currently no bugs holding back beta apparently
[22:50] <aid_> I runnin alpha 6 and got issues with compiz not auto starting at boot even though its in my sessions, have to manually run a compiz --replace
[22:50] <lupine_85> heh. if lenny's kernel had been .27 I'd still be with them on the laptop, mind ;)
[22:50] <Do``> bsnider: anything else besides that i could try? i dont have a CD or DVD i could use
[22:51] <dtchen> lupine_85: if it's really of concern, you can always just use the mainline builds in kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa
[22:51] <rww> lupine_85: the only reason I'm not running debian stable is because I need a recent version of .27 or higher for wireless. I've been thinking of using it and backporting.
[22:51] <JediMaster> aid_: sounds familiar, had something like that back in first ubuntu that introduced it, what was that , 7.04 or 7.10?
[22:51] <josh-l> will ext4 be standard in this next beta?
[22:51] <josh-l> as in default
[22:51] <JediMaster> no
[22:51] <lupine_85> dtchen, nah, the ubuntu .28 is fine
[22:51] <PhotoJim> you could always compile your own kernel.  you could have 2.6.29 if you wanted.  not terribly hard to do.
[22:51] <rww> josh-l: no. It won't be default for final Jaunty release either.
[22:51] <aid_> one of the two Im guessin its an issue thats carried itself over even after updates as many peoples compiz is fine
[22:52] <bsnider> Do``, do you have a gnome-panel?
[22:52] <lupine_85> but .26 < is a git for wireless
[22:52] <Do``> bsnider: no
[22:52] <lupine_85> and compiling your own is a git for interoperability
[22:52] <josh-l> rww, ah, for beta release should i install with ext4?
[22:52] <rww> josh-l: if you want
[22:52] <lupine_85> josh-l, I did :D
[22:52] <josh-l> lupine_85, how is it
[22:52] <lupine_85> doesn't feel particularly different
[22:52] <dtchen> hmm, i see start.ubuntu.com/9.04 has been updated
[22:52] <josh-l> any issues Lunar_Lamp
[22:52] <lupine_85> I'm slightly edgier, that's it
[22:52] <rww> josh-l: hworks fine for me
[22:53] <josh-l> okay ill try it
[22:53] <rww> dtchen: oo, shiny
[22:53] <lupine_85> if it eats my data, it's no biggy
[22:53] <josh-l> lupine_85, yeah me too i keep all important data online
[22:53] <josh-l> gmail mainly
[22:53] <lupine_85> haha
[22:53] <bsnider> Do``, it's kind of stupid but i guess you could try installing kde and using that to get a desktop. you might be able to remove all of gnome afterwards and reinstall it
[22:53] <lupine_85> I run my own services
[22:53] <lupine_85> safer
[22:54] <josh-l> lupine_85, safer than google? maybe for privacy but not for backup
[22:54] <JediMaster> indeed
[22:54] <Do``> bsnider: after sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop would ubuntu automatically boot into KDE?
[22:54] <lupine_85> eh, I'm on RAID1 with regular offsite backups
[22:54] <billybigrigger> Do``, no
[22:54] <lupine_85> that's good enough for me
[22:54] <billybigrigger> Do``, you select it in your sessions when GDM starts, like when you login
[22:55] <JediMaster> I have several ubuntu boxes at home and 6 at work around the world, and I use gmail for domains for all my own sites
[22:55] <Do``> billybigrigger: okay
[22:55] <bsnider> Do``, no. you can change it from the login screen
[22:55] <josh-l> googles going to release a webdrive soon
[22:55]  * lupine_85 has exim and ?courier?
[22:55] <lupine_85> problem solved
[22:55] <Do``> bsnider: ok, i'm already downloading, it's going to take at least 20 minutes
[22:55] <josh-l> 10 gigs free
[22:56] <JediMaster> nice
[22:56]  * lupine_85 pats his 500GB
[22:56] <phoenixz> Did I understand correctly that ext3 and ext4 are forward and backward compatible? as in, I'd only have to modify my /etc/fstab to mount as ext4 and it should work? and going back should be equal?
[22:56] <lupine_85> more expensive, of course
[22:56] <PhotoJim> I think you have to use tunefs to convert it.
[22:56] <lupine_85> phoenixz, ext3 and ext4 aren't compatible in the same way ext3 and ext2 were
[22:57] <josh-l> ah apparently google online storage is available now
[22:57] <bsnider> dtchen, do you happen to know why the ubuntu installer doesn't automatically create a separate partition for /home?
[22:57] <Do``> bsnider: and what exactly should i do once i have KDE and a working operating system?
[22:57] <lupine_85> it never has
[22:57] <JediMaster> I know this is way off-topic, but I'm getting a second 24Mbps adsl line (actually get closer to 11Mbps), can anyone think of a way to combine the two lines (different ISPs) through something like a VPN to a remote machine to get double the bandwidth?
[22:57] <lupine_85> it's a sensible default configuration IMO
[22:57] <BUGabundo> dtchen: finally got audio (mic) working
[22:57] <phoenixz> lupine_85: AFAIK, ext3 is ext2 with a journal somewhere..  but I read that ext4 is ext3, with SOME extras that might prohibit remounting as ext3, but basically it should also be equal..
[22:57] <lupine_85> JediMaster, you need to have some form of load balancing
[22:57] <lupine_85> it's generally easier to outsource that to a cisco
[22:57] <bsnider> Do``, well, you can purge gnome and reinstall it
[22:58] <Do``> bsnider: ah, oki :)
[22:58] <lupine_85> phoenixz, no, the physcial data structures on disc are very different
[22:58] <JediMaster> lupine_85: I was hoping I could actually split the TCP packets down each line though something like a vpn
[22:58] <lupine_85> you can mount ext3 as ext2; you can't do the same with ext4
[22:58] <bsnider> Do``, assuming this is a gnome issue, which i'm only about 70% sure of
[22:58] <lupine_85> JediMaster, mm, possible to do, just a pain
[22:58] <Do``> bsnider: alright
[22:58] <lupine_85> IME, anyway
[22:59] <lupine_85> generally you need to multihome the box then add routing gubbins
[22:59] <bsnider> Do``, however if kde doesn't work then we can be sure it's not a gnome problem
[23:00] <lupine_85> oh, forward-compatibility is only lost if you're using extents
[23:00]  * lupine_85 had assumed extents were mandatory
[23:00] <phoenixz> lupine_85: so as soon as I am on ext4, there is NO way back in case ubuntu screws up?
[23:00] <lupine_85> is apparently back-compatible
[23:00] <irunongames> help
[23:00] <irunongames> flash on some sites is messed up
[23:01] <blueyed> irunongames: ex.?
[23:01] <lupine_85> phoenixz, if the filesystem screws up, chances are you'll not have a filesystem to restore
[23:01] <irunongames> hulu
[23:01] <irunongames> ustream
[23:01] <lupine_85> but if you're not using extents you should be able to use it as an ext3 partition, it seems
[23:01] <blueyed> url plz
[23:01] <phoenixz> lupine_85:  That sounds encouraging.. :)
[23:01] <irunongames> youtube works sometimes
[23:01] <ripps> I'm not sure if this the place to ask, but I've installed the 2.6.29 Mainline kernel (which works great), the only problem is that the apparmor module fails to load at boot, is there any way to resolve this?
[23:01] <irunongames> www.hulu.com
[23:01] <lupine_85> no idea what the defaults are
[23:01] <irunongames> www.usteram.tv
[23:01] <irunongames> www.ustream.tv
[23:01] <phoenixz> lupine_85: so, I can not mount ext4 as ext3, but, I CAN mount ext3 as ext4?
[23:02] <irunongames> those sites won't work
[23:02] <lupine_85> phoenixz, if extents are on, yes
[23:02] <phoenixz> lupine_85: extents?
[23:02] <phoenixz> looking up..
[23:02] <lupine_85> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[23:03] <JediMaster> lupine_85: the trouble is, with loadbalancing it's not going to make much difference as only 2 users at home, and the biggest bandwidth hog is large backups done over the internet from a remote server over ssh
[23:03] <lupine_85> JediMaster, really you want MLPPP but not many places support that
[23:03] <lupine_85> and without it, you're unlikely to get 'true' bonding
[23:03] <JediMaster> yeah, which is why I wanted to replicate that over the top of the standard TCP/IP network
[23:03] <JediMaster> like some sort of VPN
[23:03] <phoenixz> oh hell with it... upgrading! :)
[23:03] <JediMaster> that use two different gateways
[23:04] <blueyed> irunongames: well, hulu only works in U.S. and ustream works for me on Jaunty. Which distro are you using? Recent updates?
[23:04] <phoenixz> lupine_85: 9.04 won't automatically upgrade to ext4, right?
[23:04] <lupine_85> correct
[23:04] <rww> phoenixz: correct
[23:04] <irunongames> i got is last night
[23:04] <irunongames> i installed the updates.... it hink
[23:05] <irunongames> and i'm in the US
[23:05] <Do``> bsnider: same thing with KDE
[23:05] <bsnider> interesting
[23:05] <irunongames> how do i update
[23:06] <bsnider> Do``, can you get to the console?
[23:06] <blueyed> irunongames: Jaunty is still in development, so this may not be the best path to fix this.. Do you remember which updates you've installed?
[23:07] <blueyed> irunongames: well, why are you in ubuntu+1, when not running Jaunty?
[23:07] <irunongames> i am on Jaunty
[23:07] <Do``> bsnider: !
[23:07] <Do``> bsnider: restarted one more time and now KDE loaded.
[23:07] <bsnider> oh, that's good
[23:08] <bsnider> now use jockey to make sure you're using thenvidia driver fromnow on
[23:09] <Do``> nvidia 180, the recommended, right?
[23:09] <bsnider> yes
[23:09] <Do``> because now a different version is in use according to this hardware drivers thingie
[23:09] <Do``> though none of the 3 available nvidia drivers is shown as active
[23:10] <bsnider> use the 180 driver
[23:10] <SnoFox> Anyone know anything about the "window" that's mapped when I hit Ctrl to locate the cursor?
[23:10] <Do``> ok, restarting
[23:10] <SnoFox> Compiz is giving it funky effects. xD
[23:10] <Ienorand> LordKow: Thankyou, got the debugging working as it should with help of your modded command, seems like whatever TJ suspected was indeed the cause...
[23:11] <blueyed> irunongames: sorry, no clue about what screwed up there. cannot confirm it after all. Please consider reporting a bug about it.
[23:15] <Do``> bsnider: okay now what? which gnome packages should i purge?
[23:16] <bsnider> all of them
[23:16] <Do``> is there like a metapackage or something for all of gnome?
[23:16] <bsnider> ubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <Do``> removing that only removes ubuntu-desktop, 57.3kb ;)
[23:17] <Do``> nothing else
[23:17] <HolyScott> so the beta is out now?
[23:17] <aredg> no
[23:17] <rconan> no
[23:17] <HolyScott> I would say it is
[23:17] <rconan> why?
[23:17] <HolyScott> on torrent.ubunto.com
[23:17] <Hobbsee> it's not out yet.
[23:17] <HolyScott> i've found the dvd, the desktop, and the server versions
[23:17] <rconan> there has been no release to the ubuntu-announce mailing list
[23:18] <rconan> or whichever one it is
[23:18] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[23:18] <BUGabundo> the images are there
[23:18] <crdlb> Do``: reinstalling gnome isn't going to fix anything
[23:18] <HolyScott> I am not talking about the daily builds
[23:18] <HolyScott> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/jaunty/desktop/
[23:18] <rconan> HolyScott: it isn't released
[23:18] <Do``> crdlb: then what can i try?
[23:18] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: doesn't necessarily mean they're correct
[23:18] <HolyScott> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/dvd/
[23:18] <acicula> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/dvd/
[23:19] <rconan> until the mail to the list it is not out
[23:19] <crdlb> Do``: what session is the login screen set to?
[23:19] <Do``> crdlb: k
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: calc said the md5 were the same
[23:19] <billybigrigger> wow
[23:19] <acicula> but those are dated 24/26
[23:19] <acicula> so
[23:19] <Hobbsee> gee, thanks calc...
[23:19] <billybigrigger> alpha 6 fresh install, wired ethernet connection not working
[23:19] <bsnider> Do``, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[23:19] <HolyScott> so is it in the process of bing put out?
[23:19] <rconan> HolyScott: it would appear so wouldn't it
[23:19] <bsnider> Do``, purge the packages as well, get rid of the config files
[23:19] <acicula> HolyScott: when it's out uou will know
[23:20] <Do``> bsnider: alrighty
[23:20] <billybigrigger> i can see the device in lspci, and sudo ifup eth0 gives me Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[23:20] <billybigrigger> any suggestions?
[23:20] <HolyScott> would the ps3 alternative be out today also?
[23:20] <bsnider> Do``, afterwards you can get it all back using the ubuntu-desktop package
[23:20] <crdlb> Do``: have you tried running 'dbus-launch gnome-session' in the failsafe terminal session?
[23:20] <billybigrigger> in network manager, if i disable networking, and re-enable, that does nothing either
[23:20] <rconan> the images are released first for the mirrors to download
[23:20] <rconan> HolyScott: is there a ps3 alternative?
[23:21] <Do``> crdlb: no, i havent
[23:21]  * crdlb can count on his fist the number of times that randomly reinstalling packages fixes things
[23:21] <crdlb> Do``: so do it :)
[23:21] <HolyScott> powerpc+ps3 alternative install iso or something
[23:21] <Do``> crdlb: by failsafe terminal session you mean the recovery console?
[23:21] <crdlb> Do``: no
[23:22] <crdlb> Do``: the "failsafe terminal" session at the login screen
[23:22] <rconan> the powerpc will come out at the same time I imagine
[23:22] <Do``> crdlb: ok
[23:22] <irunongames> I found out how to get flash to work! :D
[23:22] <irunongames> you have to use the un-free flash, just like in 8.04
[23:23] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> does anyone have the beta yet? i heard that the dev team are having probs getting it up
[23:23] <mickstephenson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ we have a folder but no files
[23:23] <HolyScott> i've found a few of them on torrent.ubuntu.com
[23:24] <rconan> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: no... it is not out, you cannot guarantee there will not be last minute changes
[23:24] <Hobbsee> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: where exactly did you hear that?
[23:24] <Hobbsee> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: because you probably shouldn't listen to those people, if they're going to spread such rubbish.
[23:24] <HolyScott> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/dvd/
[23:24] <HolyScott> I would say that the dvd version is officially out
[23:25] <rconan> HolyScott: no... it's not.
[23:25] <Do``> crdlb: logging in to failsafe drops me back to the login screen after like 0 seconds of black screen
[23:25] <crdlb> Do``: failsafe terminal, not failsafe gnome?
[23:26] <crdlb> that indicates some sort of X problem
[23:26] <Do``> crdlb: there is only 1 "failsafe" in the sessions list on the login screen
[23:26] <crdlb> hmm, let me look at the menu
[23:26]  * crdlb will brb
[23:26] <Do``> session type: default, gnome, kde, secure remove connection, failsafe (previous)
[23:26] <billybigrigger> how do i find out what module i need to load for my ethernet card?
[23:26] <bsnider> if he's having an x problem, why is kde working?
[23:26] <lupine_85> billybigrigger, lspci -> pci:id -> google
[23:26] <billybigrigger> i have not wired connection, and looking through lsmod i cant see anything to do with my ethernet
[23:26] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> Hobbsee, i was in here about 5am Pacific time, and someone told me
[23:26] <lupine_85> generally speaking
[23:27] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> Hobbsee, dont remember whom tho
[23:27] <rconan> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: people talk a lot of crap about ubuntu releases
[23:27] <rconan> they are overhyped
[23:27] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> the people or the releases ?  :p
[23:27] <crdlb> Do``: oh, I bet you're using kdm now
[23:27] <lupine_85> but the next release will end all forms of slavery forever!
[23:28] <lupine_85> I heard it on the interwebs
[23:28] <crdlb> Do``: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[23:28] <rconan> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: the people overhype the releases
[23:28] <crdlb> Do``: and tell it you want it to be the default
[23:28] <rconan> especially on release day
[23:28] <billybigrigger> lupine_85, 00:0a.0 is pci id?
[23:28] <lupine_85> no, that's the bus:id
[23:28] <lupine_85> pci id is xxxx:xxxx
[23:28] <lupine_85> might have to add options to lspci to get it
[23:28] <Do``> crdlb: alright
[23:28] <rconan> billybigrigger: to be sure you could use -vvnn
[23:29] <rconan> but that's a lot of output
[23:29] <lupine_85> -n seems to do the trick
[23:29] <lupine_85> -nn, in face
[23:29] <lupine_85> fact*
[23:29] <billybigrigger> lupine_85, 10de:054c
[23:29] <billybigrigger> got er, thanks
[23:30] <HolyScottie> what version of 9.04 are most people waiting for?
[23:30] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> 64bit.. im feeling brave :)
[23:30]  * lupine_85 isn't waiting :D
[23:30] <lupine_85> but I have 64-bit installed from the A-I daily CD
[23:31]  * rconan isn't waiting but I'd using 64-bit
[23:31] <rconan> s/'d/s
[23:31] <Doctor_Nick> WHERE IS IT
[23:31] <crdlb> eww, nvidia ethernet
[23:31] <Do``> crdlb: alright, things are happenning
[23:31] <Doctor_Nick> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[23:31] <Ienorand> billybigrigger: what does "ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1" give you?
[23:32] <o0Chris0o> !caps | Doctor_Nick
[23:32] <fosco__> Doctor_Nick, where is what
[23:32] <Cycom> heh. beta/ is there, but it only contains source/ and source/ is empty.
[23:32] <Doctor_Nick> !botabuse
[23:32] <HolyScottie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/jaunty/desktop/
[23:32] <Doctor_Nick> !botabuse | Doctor_Nick
[23:33] <crdlb> Do``: gnomey things?
[23:33] <rconan> HolyScottie: we know there's a torrent, we know it may not be the final release. KEep the link to yourself
[23:33] <HolyScottie> there is an iso in there
[23:33] <Do``> crdlb: there are a bunch of "deprecated" lines about the murrine configuration's different options, and then now i saw an update-notifier line and a pulseaudio line too
[23:33] <HolyScottie> not just a torrent
[23:33] <HolyScottie> a 696meg iso file.
[23:33] <rconan> still may not be final
[23:33] <crdlb> Do``: the deprecated murrine lines are normal
[23:33] <billybigrigger> Ienorand, nothing
[23:33] <stanley_> 64 bit torrent DVD beta downloads 0.03 percent and stops / cant be the real thing
[23:34] <billybigrigger> Ienorand, sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 returns nothing
[23:34] <Do``> crdlb: but just like before, the DE didnt load, the failsafe terminal's window has a default gnome window frame, it can be moved around, i have a default gnome wallpaper and i heard the default gnome login music
[23:34] <[reed]> is jaunty beta still today?
[23:34] <rconan> [reed]: yes
[23:34] <crdlb> Do``: ok, that's not so bad
[23:34] <stanley_> prob in a few hours at a guess . sonner the better
[23:34] <[reed]> ok
[23:34] <HolyScottie> I am streaming tv w/ the wife, or I would be DLing the iso
[23:34] <Ienorand> billybigrigger: okay, then it's not the bug I have I think...
[23:34] <Do``> crdlb: alt+f2 doesnt work to bring up the run application window oh and the failsafe terminal didnt give back the cursor to the prompt
[23:35] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> do you guys think its safe to start migrating to 64bit now? last time i tried it (7.04) nothing really worked. packages wouldnt install, and things crashed a lot.
[23:35] <thewrath> why in jaunty can i not get extra visual effects to work?
[23:35] <crdlb> Do``: the first part is expeted because gnome-panel is not running
[23:35] <thewrath> do i need to reinstall jaunty
[23:35] <thewrath> *compiz
[23:35] <rconan> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r: I've been using 64-bit since 7.10 with no trouble and gentoo before that
[23:35] <crdlb> Do``: and the second because gnome-session is not supposed to background itself
[23:36] <Do``> crdlb: alright. what should i do?
[23:36] <HolyScottie> you need video card drivers for compiz to work
[23:36] <thewrath> it was working earlier
[23:36] <thewrath> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[23:36] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> rconan, i used to have trouble with things like skype etc, wouldnt install
[23:36] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> rconan, that all solved now?
[23:36] <crdlb> Do``: did you completely reset gconf?
[23:36] <rconan> I've never used skype, couldn't say
[23:36] <rconan> I think so
[23:37] <bsnider> crdlb, yes he did
[23:37] <Do``> crdlb: deleted .gconfd and .gconf folders, so i assume that did the job
[23:37] <crdlb> it would indeed
[23:37] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> rconan, well, i guess il give it a go then
[23:37] <thewrath> anyone help
[23:37] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> rconan, 64bit and ext4.. big steps for me :D
[23:37] <rconan> if you're doing a clean install anyway you may as well try
[23:37] <thewrath> does anyone know of drivers on that that will work?
[23:37]  * rconan wont use ext4 until it's default
[23:38] <rconan> or at least default in *a* distro so it's had more testing
[23:38]  * dan457 is using XFS instead.
[23:38] <crdlb> Do``: you may want to get rid of ~/.config/autostart by renaming
[23:38] <bsnider> thewrath, drivers on what?
[23:38] <mickstephenson> hmm, before I go ahead with e beta install, does the version of X11 that ubuntu is shipping have proprietary nvidia drivers available at this point?
[23:38] <crdlb> Do``: and ~/.gnome2/ if that doesn't work
[23:38] <rconan> mickstephenson: yes
[23:38] <rconan> in repo
[23:38] <mickstephenson> thanks
[23:38] <thewrath> bsnider: i am trying to get compiz to work apparetnly i have the wrong drivers or what not
[23:38] <crdlb> you may have important data in ~/.gnome2/ so definitely don't just delete it
[23:38] <Do``> crdlb: ok, 1 sec
[23:39] <bsnider> thewrath, but what video hardware
[23:39] <rconan> thewrath: your card should just work out of the box
[23:39] <thewrath> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[23:39] <thewrath> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[23:39] <bsnider> i'm not clear in what state the intel graphics driver is currently in
[23:39]  * dan457 has 8800GT and 9800GT nvidia's with the 180 binary driver working well.
[23:39] <crdlb> mickstephenson: not for really old cards though
[23:40] <thewrath> i get desktop effects could not be enabled
[23:40] <acicula> thewrath: on jaunty?
[23:40] <thewrath> yes
[23:40] <mickstephenson> crdlb: not a problem
[23:40] <Do``> crdlb: renamed autostart, exited the terminal, now logging in again and starting with that dbus-launch thingie
[23:40] <rconan> I thought there were other version for older cards in repo?
[23:40] <dan457> Bug with multiple monitors, but there is a workaround.
[23:40] <billybigrigger> ok, i see that the module forcedeth is shoing in lsmod, and my ethernet controller is listed in lspci, i just cant seem to get my wired ethernet working, someone want to lend a hand?
[23:40] <thewrath> acicula: yes sir
[23:40] <acicula> thewrath: ur using 4500 gma, same as me
[23:40] <rconan> dan457: I did still get that occasionally with repeat off
[23:40] <thewrath> acicula: is that a statement or question
[23:40] <rconan> dan457: while holding alt-NUM
[23:40] <dan457> rconan, I never get that now.
[23:41] <acicula> thewrath: statement, anyway, support for it is still crappy afaik
[23:41] <thewrath> so no compiz
[23:41] <thewrath> ?
[23:41] <dan457> rconan,  i'm going to try again next time they update X
[23:41]  * rconan hopes it's fixed soon
[23:41] <acicula> thewrath: there's a huge thread about the gpu on the ubuntuforums, have a look there
[23:41] <rconan> no key repeat is annoying
[23:41] <Do``> crdlb: now i saw a bit more stuff in the terminal, evolution alarms, tracker daemon messages, a tracker-extract crash, but still no gnome-panel
[23:41] <thewrath> please spell things out acicula i am still getting back into linux
[23:42] <thewrath> especiallyw ith jaunty
[23:42] <thewrath> GPU?
[23:42] <acicula> thewrath: from what i gathered the gpu does have better support, but during beta actual functioning of it is hit or miss
[23:42] <acicula> gpu is graphics card
[23:42] <thewrath> oh ok
[23:42] <thewrath> where on ubuntu forums is htis
[23:42] <acicula> somewhere in hardware/laptops probably search on gma 4500
[23:42] <thewrath> how did u know i was running 4500
[23:42] <crdlb> Do``: try running 'dbus-launch gnome-session &' instead, then you can try gnome-panel &
[23:44] <acicula> thewrath: magic 8 ball
[23:44] <thewrath> ha ha
[23:44] <rconan> thewrath: you can tell from lspci output
[23:44] <Ienorand> what is the package for the volume control app called?
[23:44] <acicula> ^^
[23:44] <thewrath> i am in there right now
[23:44] <acicula> what he said
[23:44] <thewrath> and i dont see anything that says 4500
[23:45] <Do``> crdlb: gnome-panel & says warning **: cannot register the panel shell: canno connect to the session bus
[23:45] <acicula> it's the express 4 series
[23:45] <thewrath> ok
[23:45]  * rconan is going to bed since he is not actually waiting for the beta...
[23:45] <crdlb> Do``: hmm, I was afraid of that; it just doesn't want to start outside of a proper session
[23:46] <crdlb> Do``: so try the real gnome session again
[23:46] <cwillu> "Your system could be in an unusable state" yay! \o/ :)
[23:47] <Do``> crdlb: same thing happened as with the failsafe terminal. stops after loading the wallpaper
[23:47] <crdlb> Do``: if that fails again, then rename ~/.gnome2/
[23:47] <thewrath> acicula: what do you think about this: http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6450032
[23:47] <Do``> and i renamed .gnome2 already :/
[23:47] <HolyScottie> the beta page is up
[23:47] <HolyScottie> can I post that link?
[23:47] <thewrath> HolyScottie: link us please
[23:47] <HolyScottie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/9.04/beta/
[23:47]  * bruce89 yawns
[23:48]  * rconan points out that this still isn't final... there is a mailing list announcement :p
[23:48] <bruce89> nor does it really mean anything
[23:48] <HolyScottie> which they will make before or after all the servers are uploaded?
[23:48] <acicula> thewrath: i know better then to waste my time tinkering with graphics drivers. plus the 4500 3d performance is pityfull, if and when it works properly i shall bask in the awesomeness glow that is compiz, untill then it's really not worth the effort.
[23:48] <rconan> HolyScottie: after
[23:48] <thewrath> ok
[23:48] <rconan> but until then there can still be changes
[23:48] <thewrath> where is the beta page for ubuntu
[23:48] <thewrath> that was for kubuntu
[23:48] <acicula> thewrath: unless they actually implement HW decoding support, which is actually usefull
[23:48] <rconan> I fell into this trap last release
[23:49] <thewrath> acicula: all right. thank you sir for your help
[23:49] <HolyScottie> thanks for asking
[23:49] <HolyScottie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[23:49] <rconan> downloaded all 6 cd images then discovered 4 had changed or something
[23:49] <crdlb> Do``: ergh, have you tried creating a new user?
[23:49] <thewrath> its not up  yet
[23:49] <Do``> crdlb: no, actually i dont know how to do that without gnome :D
[23:50] <HolyScottie> ubunuted is being ULed right now
[23:50] <thewrath> ULed?
[23:50] <acicula> uploaded
[23:50] <bruce89> Do``: adduser
[23:50] <rconan> HolyScottie: you clearly have too much spare time :p
[23:50] <crdlb> Do``: sudo adduser <username>
[23:51] <HolyScottie> so I shouldnt say i've been looking since midnight last night.
[23:51] <thewrath> lol
[23:51] <thewrath> HolyScottie: how do you know its being uploaded?
[23:51] <HolyScottie> cause everytime I refresh they is something new added?
[23:51]  * bruce89 remembers all the excitement about Hardy's release
[23:51] <bruce89> people thought it was to be released at 00:00 exactly
[23:52] <bruce89> since the calendar on the fridge said so
[23:52] <rconan> I got excited about hardy
[23:52] <bsnider> Do``, you can create a new account from kde
[23:52] <rconan> I was expecting an awesome release
[23:52] <rconan> and was dissapointed
[23:53]  * bruce89 is not surprised
[23:53] <rconan> still... it gets better every time I think
[23:53] <Do``> bsnider: ye :)
[23:53] <rconan> time for bedcvertainly
[23:53] <rconan> 'night
[23:53] <bruce89> apart from Jaunty's notification system of course
[23:53] <Do``> crdlb: new account loaded gnome desktop.. :D
[23:54] <bsnider> i wouldn't have bet on that one
[23:54] <o0Chris0o> uncustomizable notifcation system
[23:54] <bsnider> you already blew away everything gnome really cares about
[23:54] <Do``> :D
[23:54] <rconan> HolyScottie: and just to really excite you: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[23:54] <qixcom> amd64 of the beta is up now but not x86
[23:54] <bruce89> bsnider: GNOME?
[23:54] <Do``> crdlb:  now it's a matter of finding which of my settings is the problem
[23:55] <billybigrigger> the beta pages are there, no images though
[23:55] <thewrath> how do i bcakup my private keys and move themt o another machine?
[23:55] <bsnider> bruce89, huh?
[23:55] <thewrath> just wondering scine i am in jaunty atnm
[23:55] <bruce89> bsnider: this new notification system is not GNOME's fault
[23:55] <HolyScottie> so if I DL now before the rush, I can compare the hash file later to make sure I have the final?
[23:56] <bsnider> bruce89, i wasn't involved in your conversation. i was talking about something else
[23:56] <bruce89> HolyScottie: have you got Jaunty already?
[23:56] <billybigrigger> HolyScottie, if you were to download the alpha 6 image, and upgrade via apt, you will have the same version as the beta cd
[23:56] <qixcom> billybigrigger - the amd64bit images are there
[23:56] <bruce89> bsnider: oops, sirry
[23:56] <HolyScottie> will the apt-get updates be out today also?
[23:57] <Ienorand> Has brasero been removed now all of a sudden?
[23:57] <acicula> HolyScottie: they have been out for ever
[23:57] <HolyScottie> but I am in a different distro right now, so I want the iso to do a clean install
[23:57] <billybigrigger> qixcom, haha they weren't 1 min ago for me :P downloading now
[23:57] <bruce89> Ienorand: shouldn't have been
[23:57] <qixcom> looks like the x86 is up now too
[23:57]  * bruce89 still has the Intrepid beta CD, no need for me to download CDs any more
[23:57] <thewrath> ITS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:57] <qixcom> downloading as we speak
[23:58] <thewrath> sorry for caps
[23:58] <bruce89> !caps
[23:58] <Ienorand> bruce89: Dunno but looks like the nautilus CD/DVD creator got installed and brasero removed in some update, presumably recent...
[23:58] <thewrath> oh only live cds
[23:58] <thewrath> right now
[23:58] <thewrath> i dont want a live cd i want the real thing
[23:58] <bruce89> Ienorand: well, that's not supposed to happen
[23:58] <thewrath> qixcom: u download hte live cd
[23:58] <Cycom> it's partially up.
[23:58] <HolyScottie> um, is there a cd release of ubuntu 9.04 or is it dvd only?
[23:59] <acicula> thewrath: livecd is the real deal.
[23:59] <thewrath> so i can isntall from taht
[23:59] <qixcom> downloading live dvd
[23:59] <acicula> thewrath: samething
[23:59] <thewrath> how would i upgrade then from the alpha to the beta
[23:59] <acicula> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade