[00:53] <BHSPitMonkey> Anyone know where in the filesystem I can find ubuntu logos? (SVG)
[00:53] <BHSPitMonkey> I want one resembling the usplash
[01:29] <Cimi> kwwii, _MMA_ http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/murrine?view=revision&revision=170
[08:19] <Cimi> kwwii: _MMA_ ping
[08:42] <kwwii> Cimi: pong
[08:42] <Cimi> kwwii: please try svn
[08:42] <kwwii> Cimi: ok, will do
[08:43] <kwwii> after breakfast and a smoke :p
[08:43] <Cimi> I will be here for 45mins
[08:44] <Cimi> i'm at the university
[08:44] <kwwii> where/when will you be online again? I have a meeting in 15 min
[08:44] <kwwii> my days in london are spent in meetings :(
[08:45] <Cimi> maybe, *maybe*, about 18 CEST
[08:45] <kwwii> I'll try svn and then put it in jaunty if it seems ok
[08:45] <kwwii> what did you change?
[08:45] <Cimi> and I will be online till 19:30
[08:45] <Cimi> no, do not put in on jaunty
[08:45] <Cimi> I will make a release
[08:46] <kwwii> well, I fly home tonight at 17 and get home around midnight
[08:46] <Cimi> I've changed the focus to be a rectangle
[08:46] <kwwii> killer :)
[08:46] <Cimi> the buttons have the rectangle inside
[08:46] <kwwii> I'll build it then and put it in my ppa so others can test it as well
[08:46] <Cimi> because I would like to keep the focus similar between every widget
[08:46] <kwwii> I liked the effect on the buttons
[08:47] <kwwii> cool, I will look into it asap...thanks!
[08:47] <Cimi> I don-t want few lines on a button, a rectangle on a label, a tux on a treeview :)
[08:47] <Cimi> the more it is shared between every widget the more it will be recognizeable as a common focus
[08:47] <thorwil> +1
[08:48] <Cimi> that's why the focuson the buttons could be less nice (but is a matter of tastes)
[08:48] <Cimi> the big issue is the focus on the treeview items (the selected/colored ones)
[08:48] <Cimi> if you have a mockup, andrea.cimitan@gmail.com
[08:50] <thorwil> Cimi: what exactly is the probelm there? do you have screenshots where one could see it / one could work with?
[08:51] <Cimi> thorwil: it sucks
[08:51] <Cimi> that's the problem
[08:51] <Cimi> :)
[08:51] <Cimi> you could try it by installing murrine from svn
[08:51] <Cimi> svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine-trunk
[08:52] <Cimi> cd murrine-trunk
[08:52] <Cimi> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[08:52] <Cimi> sudo make install
[08:53] <Cimi> the biggest issue is that that widget is usually colored, with base[SELECTED]
[08:53]  * thorwil has to install intltool
[08:53] <Cimi> it's likely you're forced to use text[SELECTED]
[08:54] <Cimi> but then some themes use black (Human), others almost white (Clearlooks and similar)
[08:55] <Cimi> of course a dark black line is not so nice...
[08:55] <thorwil> Cimi: what theme should i use?
[08:55] <Cimi> you should use a variety of themes, if possible
[08:56] <Cimi> murrine is not just Human (hopefully :P)
[08:56] <Cimi> it should be ok with the majority
[08:57] <Cimi> another solution would be keep using the dots for that particular case
[08:57] <zniavre> firefox still using dot on notebook
[08:58] <Cimi> firefox is not Gtk
[08:58] <zniavre> oops sorry i believed we were in murrine room
[08:58] <Cimi> that's ok, until kwwii will understand he should autojoin #murrine :)
[09:01] <thorwil> Cimi: so you draw the selected item in a tree view both with a an active-selected bg and a focus frame, and this combination clashes in some themes? i don't quite see the need to draw the focus frame at all, in that case
[09:02] <Cimi> thorwil: even if it is selected could be not focused I guess
[09:02] <thorwil> and  suspect the only other solution is to force theme authors to specify the colors specifically for that case
[09:03] <thorwil> Cimi: how would trhat ever happen?
[09:03] <Cimi> thorwil: when I click on a treeview item
[09:03] <Cimi> it is selected but I can't see the focus
[09:04] <thorwil> Cimi: doesn't happen here, but i just realized that separate focus happens with multiple slection via ctrl or shift
[09:05] <Cimi> mmm
[09:06] <thorwil> Cimi: so, use a different bg color for focused, or rely on theme authors to adjust colors for this case
[09:06] <Cimi> or I could draw the classic dots
[09:06] <Cimi> or a mockup is appreciated
[09:32] <Cimi> thorwil: just asked
[09:32] <Cimi> 10:02	Cimi	benzea: is the focus on the selected treeview item needed? 10:04		*** uv joined #gnome-art 10:22	benzea	Cimi: yes, if you navigate it with ctrl+arrows 10:23	Cimi	benzea: but the items are selected, someone could just use bg[selected] 10:24	Cimi	what I want to say is that the items are selected only if they are focused 10:24	Cimi	or I'm wrong? 10:27
[09:32] <kwwii> the dots seem like the best idea to me
[09:33] <Cimi> I'm off, i will be back in one hour and I will stay for 5 mins
[09:35] <thorwil> gotta love how everyone has clear picture of the behaviour anf requirements of gtk, regarding theming ;)
[09:44] <kwwii> thorwil: interested in coming to UDS?
[09:44] <kwwii> in any case, I have suggested yourself and _MMA_  :)
[09:44] <kwwii> if you can think of anyone else or any subject to bring up there, please let me know
[09:45] <thorwil> kwwii: i'm torn on that. depends on the specifics
[09:45] <thorwil> kwwii: i thought that whole sponsoring thing was done and closed already?
[09:46] <kwwii> thorwil: nah, the art people always find a way around things
[09:46] <thorwil> heh
[09:46] <kwwii> thorwil: the good thing about this UDS is that there will be a real presence from our new team
[09:46] <kwwii> and I will be putting out quite a but of information on a daily basis
[09:47] <kwwii> past UDS's have been more or less constructive whereas this one is going to be the bomb ;)
[09:48] <thorwil> kwwii: i would sure like to get to know the people and _if_ i stay with my current job, making time shouldn't be a problem
[09:48] <thorwil> kwwii: the question is rather what i would do there, constructively
[09:50] <kwwii> thorwil: well, we have a list of themeing issues for karmic that we would like to explore, in addition we are working on a re-branding, new websites, etc
[09:51] <kwwii> so there will be lots to discuss
[09:59] <thorwil> heh, starts with my birthday
[10:12]  * thorwil wonders if lyx could be a good option for documentation with quite a number of images
[10:19] <thorwil> savvas: hi, seen http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/24/ubuntu-904-free-culture-showcase-winners/ ?
[10:25] <savvas> thorwil: no, reading it now :)
[10:28] <savvas> darn, we've lost :(
[10:31] <savvas> oh well, invocation sounds nice :P
[10:34] <Cimi> kwwii: I'm here
[10:37] <thorwil> savvas: yes, i understand that decision :)
[11:13] <Cimi> ...
[11:34]  * kwwii returns from a meeting, only to go into another
[12:29] <_MMA_> thorwil: You'll have to practice your English. :P
[12:31] <thorwil> _MMA_: and you will have to endure some of it, then :)
[12:34] <_MMA_> hahahahhaha
[16:08] <Cimi> ;-)
[16:10] <thorwil> if Cimi is here now, kwwii must be in a meeting ;)
[16:11] <Cimi> I will be here till 19:30 CEST
[16:11] <Cimi> 2 hours
[16:21]  * thorwil giggles
[16:25] <_MMA_> heheheheheh