[00:01] fta: i reallly think this patch was good [00:01] i mean it doesnt do any win-dns negotiation at least anymore [00:01] err wins-... [00:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/137870/ [00:03] thats what i had before [00:03] hmm ... sitll have the same in fact ;) [09:41] guud morning [09:41] sigh [09:41] BUGabundo: not to you ;) [09:41] good morning [09:41] sigh about folks in bugs saying something doesnt work ;) [09:42] thats ok in general. but not if you firmly believe that it works ;) [09:42] i just expect that they are too lame to actually test what i asked for properly [09:42] eheh [09:42] I read a few of those myself [09:43] I may not be the best bug reporter ever [09:43] but I do try to make it up with details and logs [09:43] its all fine. its just that its a huge problem when time is running low [09:43] asac: did you manage to take a look at the SiS but I sent you yesterday? [09:43] like in the past i had fixes for issues reported for RC [09:43] and dumb bug folks just were too confused to test them properly [09:44] and so the patches didnt land because they said:" doesnt work ... or even: makes things worse" [09:44] eheh [09:44] that's *helpful* [09:44] BUGabundo: you were gone [09:44] BUGabundo: i wanted to say: if you need noacpi [09:44] its usually a bios upgrade you need ;) [09:45] I did need it [09:45] without it the machine doesn't start [09:45] tell that to SiS... no BIOS from them [09:45] eheh [09:45] I love to read those boot messages where it states that a dummie bios was used by the kernel [09:45] yeha. but in general its a bad start ;) [09:46] and to contact manufacture about bad hw [09:46] anyway. when you are connected and have no traffic [09:46] run iwconfig [09:46] every 10 seconds [09:46] and observe how frequency changes and so on [09:46] I don't have the machine now [09:47] i assume its always moving frequencies [09:47] ill run further tests on Saturday, maybe [09:53] bah I just saw that I have connman running [09:53] do we really need it? [09:53] or can I remove it? [10:06] i love firedrills ;) [10:07] fta_nano: i know you must be quite demotivated, but can you verify that this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24350587/77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules also detects your modem? [10:29] [reed]: can you add stuff to blacklist for lets say "jaunty"? [10:29] plugin blacklist that is [10:29] flash 9 seems to crash all the time [10:30] i would think its because of some underlying lib and not a general problem with ffox 3 and flash 9 [10:31] <[reed]> asac: hmm, not sure [10:31] <[reed]> would need for jaunty to have some unique abi that we support [10:32] [reed]: unique abi? doesnt the blacklist also submit "OS" / "version" ? [10:33] <[reed]> submit? nothing is submitted [10:33] <[reed]> it's pulled down [10:33] <[reed]> and client acts on it [10:33] <[reed]> Components.classes["@mozilla.org/xre/app-info;1"] [10:33] <[reed]> .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIXULRuntime) [10:33] <[reed]> .XPCOMABI [10:33] ah [10:33] <[reed]> run that in jaunty firefox [10:33] <[reed]> what do you get? [10:33] <[reed]> (use error console) [10:34] normal abi [10:34] x86-gcc3 [10:34] <[reed]> hmm [10:34] <[reed]> does flash on jaunty have any unique name, description, or filename? [10:35] [reed]: no. its adobe flash [10:35] users that have packages have no issue as they would get upgraded [10:35] <[reed]> then probably not [10:35] only folks that installed 9 now cannot run ffox anymore [10:35] <[reed]> :/ [10:35] <[reed]> unless we just blocklisted flash 9 in general [10:35] <[reed]> for some reason [10:35] thtas the best idea i think ;) [10:36] otherwise we would have to resurrect the "blacklist suppletmented by distro" apporach [10:36] i wrote a caching webservice for that at some point [10:36] but we never deployed [10:36] it [10:36] e.g. pull in blacklist from mozilla ... add something ... ship that [10:36] but i would like not to do that [10:36] maybe the blocklist url should get OS/VERSION at some point? similar to plugin finder? [10:38] <[reed]> no, it's not meant that way [10:38] <[reed]> let me ask Mossop something [10:39] <[reed]> so, how does one know firefox on jaunty is jaunty? [10:39] <[reed]> like, what have you changed? [10:40] [reed]: in which sense? [10:40] i think the problem why flash crashes is that new alsa/pulseaudio kills its [10:40] like the pulseaudio plugin we have in alsa is a suspect for issues [10:40] <[reed]> how would you recognize only jaunty firefox? [10:40] upstream .so 64bits works fine here [10:40] [reed]: we can add a parameter to the URL [10:40] http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bugabundo [10:40] BUGabundo: flash 9? [10:40] is broadcasting without any glitch [10:41] 10 [10:41] BUGabundo: thats not the topic ;) [10:41] ahh [10:41] lost the '9' [10:41] <[reed]> asac: oh, you'd do a release [10:41] the topic is: flash 9 kills firefox [10:41] <[reed]> of a new firefox [10:43] [reed]: which url is used for plugin blocklisting? [10:43] its not the same used for extensions i guess [10:45] <[reed]> oh [10:45] gnomefreak: fta_nano: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/24/ubuntu-members-get-free-lwn-subs/ [10:45] <[reed]> we apparently do send all that info [10:45] <[reed]> https://addons.mozilla.org/blocklist/2/%APP_ID%/%APP_VERSION%/%PRODUCT%/%BUILD_ID%/%BUILD_TARGET%/%LOCALE%/%CHANNEL%/%OS_VERSION%/%DISTRIBUTION%/%DISTRIBUTION_VERSION%/ [10:45] gnomefreak: fta_nano: i was told to remember ubuntu members about that option [10:45] [reed]: yeah. if that is used we can include DISTRIBUTION [10:45] and OS_VERSION [10:45] and everything ;) [10:46] let me look up the bug we had once [10:46] <[reed]> just check your extensions.blocklist.url [10:46] yeah [10:46] <[reed]> I recommend you don't do your proxy list and continue to go direct to Mozilla [10:46] <[reed]> we use that for stats [10:46] asac: thanks ill look. i havent yet heard of it [10:46] <[reed]> it would make our metrics people extremely unhappy with you [10:47] [reed]: yeah i know [10:47] [reed]: i think distribution is really something else anyway [10:47] its what we have in distribution.ini [10:47] <[reed]> is it unique per release (jaunty, intrepid, etc.?) [10:48] [reed]: no. we use distribution=canonical and version=1.0 .. we could definitly make the version more sensible [10:48] but let me first try to find the bug we had [10:48] about the stats [10:48] <[reed]> k [10:48] [reed]: do you remember the number ;)? [10:48] * asac needs a memory upgrade [10:48] <[reed]> lol, I don't know what bug you're talking about [10:48] MOZILLA BUG 469760 [10:49] Mozilla bug 469760 in Add-ons Manager "blocklist url %LOCALE% replaced with general.useragent.locale value, but without resolving complex value on ubuntu" [Major,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469760 [10:49] yeah [10:49] so https://addons.mozilla.org/blocklist/2/%7Bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%7D/3.0.4/Firefox/2008111319/Linux_x86_64-gcc3/chrome://global/locale/intl.properties/default/Linux%202.6.27-7-generic%20(GTK%202.14.4)/canonical/1.0/ [10:49] seems its really what is in distribution.ini [10:49] the values in there are currently govered by trademark agreement [10:49] so DISTRIBUTION and DISTRIBUTION_VERISON isnt an option [10:50] <[reed]> why haven't you fixed that yet? [10:51] also it would only help our builds [10:51] <[reed]> it's a bug on your end, yes? [10:51] [reed]: its fixed in jaunty [10:51] <[reed]> k [10:51] [reed]: yes. but because i got confirmed that we are counted i couldnt justify a SRU [10:51] so its just fixed in jaunty and after [10:51] <[reed]> ok [10:52] [reed]: so maybe that url should also encode other system libs [10:52] like alsa ... [10:52] or whatever can lead to crashes of plugins that dont happen everywhere [10:52] but well. i am not sure if its worth it [10:52] lets see how many complains we get about crashing firefox [10:53] and then decide if we need to do something [10:53] its just annyoing that flash is not auto updated if installed in profile [10:53] <[reed]> seems like you could work something out with legal about using distribution version [10:53] [reed]: yeah. true. but as i said it wouldnt help your "official" builds [10:53] they will also crash on jaunty i guess [10:53] with flash 9 [10:54] <[reed]> true [10:54] let me first find out whats the cause [10:54] i will come back to you ;) [11:49] asac: its way too late to push new sunbird (fixed icons) to jaunty right? [11:50] gnomefreak: no [11:50] gnomefreak: i think its ok if its just that change [11:50] its a bug [11:51] gnomefreak: did it work? [11:51] asac: just those changes at this time and its ready [11:51] BUGabundo: connman -> you installed it voluntarily. did you ever try it? [11:51] asac: yep :) [11:51] nope [11:52] heh [11:52] im pushing to PPA for jaunty atm since they failed to push yesterdya [11:52] never found a chance to [11:52] BUGabundo: so if you dont plan to try it you can uninstall it obviously ;) [11:52] already did [11:52] gnomefreak: did you tr ylocally? [11:52] one thing strange with my wifi card (intel abgn 4965) [11:52] gnomefreak: if so no need to push it to ppa ... just proposed the merge [11:52] BUGabundo: yeah [11:52] signal as low as 55% and it won't connect [11:54] asac: ill check email and approve it in ~30 mins-1hour. im still waiting seamonkey and flashgot too but flashgot is likely not going to make it in jaunty [11:54] BUGabundo: wait a second ... bb in a minute [12:01] BUGabundo: while [ true ]; do sleep 1; date | tee -a /tmp/iwconfig.log.txt; iwconfig | tee -a /tmp/iwconfig.log.txt; done [12:01] can you start that before connecting. and then try to connect [12:01] ok [12:01] and when it fails post iwconfig.log.txt [12:01] let me copy the comand to my cheat nots [12:09] BUGabundo: be careful in +1 please [12:09] ok [12:12] thanks [12:15] was the daily bot turned off or broken? [12:16] nevermind i got tbird update but no firefox 3.5 3.6 [12:16] yeah [12:16] I haven't got any FF dailys for a few days [12:16] fta is it failing [12:16] ? [12:25] gnomefreak: they are broken atm [12:25] asac: ah ok thanks :) [12:26] let me confirm that [12:36] yeah it fails on tests [12:37] doing a build now [12:41] * asac thinks that spinning 3 mozillas at the smae time isnt good for my laptop [12:42] eheh [12:42] sure it is [12:43] isn't it a dual quad core? [12:51] just wanted to see how long it will take to be noticed... and fixed ;) [12:55] i think i noticed it yesterday when i only got chromium updates this was afternoon after i left here but dont remember [12:55] yep the 22nd was last 3.5 update [13:02] hi gnomefreak, I'm here to remind you of flash64 :-) [13:03] fta: i am at least building 3.6 locally now ;) [13:03] BUGabundo: CPU isnt the problem. IO is [13:03] http://libresoft.es/Members/herraiz/blog/linux-is-not-free-software [13:04] c0p3rn1c: its unlikey to happen for a while, i have a few other things i need to look after. I will look for the tarball when i get a spare moment. [13:04] asac, the fix is trivial, i just didn't have time, i focused on this 3G disaster :P [13:05] gnomefreak: ehm maybe I could do it all for you, just tell me what to do exactly and then I'll google my ass off :) [13:05] c0p3rn1c: looking for the real tarball not one that has .so in the name [13:06] fta: yeah ;) ... i will see what happens here. [13:06] gnomefreak: what should it contain then ? [13:06] fta: have you ever managed to create a real auto connection? [13:06] another problem that i will run into is hacking the files from 386 to 64 or merge in the 64 to orig scripts [13:06] c0p3rn1c: files other than bleh.so [13:06] asac, yes, same problem [13:06] fta: did you check the mtu yet? [13:07] i even tried to lower the mtu in pppd/options [13:08] yes. [13:08] gnomefreak: I should first learn how to make a ubuntu package, after that I should take a look at the current "flash64".deb [13:09] right? [13:12] c0p3rn1c: the packaging part is the hardest to learn since the scripts need a massive overhaul you wont find a .deb anywhere unless you modift the scrits to build it than it will grab upstream package and than install the .deb [13:12] c0p3rn1c: adobe doesnt make a 64bit deb AFAIK i know they at one time ported it for Ubuntu but i dont remember if it happened or not [13:17] i would perfer to merge the 2 instead of 2 separate scripts but that i will leave to someone that knows the in and outs of flash packaging. [13:18] ok [13:18] maybe I should call adobe :p [13:19] * c0p3rn1c has a lot of time today :-) [13:25] hm, no idea why fta_nano timed out, seems like xchat and wifi doesn't mix very well [13:49] any idea what package controls the media keys on the keyboard? [14:01] i think its more of a typing on keyboard and trying to use buttons at same time its because keyboard is already in use, it is labled as a firefox bug atm but im betting it happens in any apps you type in [14:37] bug 338892 [14:37] Launchpad bug 338892 in firefox-3.0 "3 errors and more" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338892 [15:51] Hi all there is a bug in ubuntu 9.04 latest build 3g huawei Model e160 did not work, stick dit not recognized when plugd in, driver not loaded [15:53] blogdudel: is it filed on launchpad already? [15:53] we need to keep track of them [15:53] under a master bug [15:53] asac: ping ^^^^^ [15:53] this is a known bug, and we have a fix already [15:53] i own an e160 too [15:53] blogdudel: you are the one I dented on identica aren't you ? [15:54] hey sounds good jey i am ;) [15:55] identi.ca blogdudel my english is very bad sorry ;) [15:58] * gnomefreak someday will learn how to use identi.ca and gwitter [15:58] hehe [15:58] gnomefreak: what's your prob with it? [15:59] ask the Human MAN(ual) > me [15:59] BUGabundo: not sure yet i havent played with it. [16:00] well its wbkitt [16:00] it shows you your life stream and the ones you folow on one tab [16:00] been busy here maybe one day i learn it [16:00] and replies and DMs on the other [16:01] you can use the text bar to enter text [16:01] or the arrows to reply to users [16:01] since you don't follow many ppl, that should be easy [16:01] i have to figure out if i wwant to use email or rss i get enough emails but i think i used one that i get few in [16:02] the posts go right into gwitter? [16:02] me on the other hand have [16:02] Subscriptions 212 Subscribers 180 Notices 6976 [16:03] no need for emai [16:03] you can turn it of on identica Connect menu [16:05] back [16:05] it keeps failing to connect with 404 errors :( [16:06] gnomefreak: gwibber? [16:06] BUGabundo: yes [16:06] what version? [16:06] SSL is up and running [16:06] is your login data ok? [16:06] ah there we go but still shows errors [16:07] error 500 ? [16:07] I'm getting them too now that you talk about it [16:08] i see your posts now so i will clear error and see [16:08] now i see 401 [16:09] blogdudel: there? [16:09] ok delete the account quit gwibber , start gwibber enter korrekt login and it wil work .. i thing there ist something wrong with it i have tu try 5 times [16:09] blogdudel: see bug 346835 [16:09] Launchpad bug 346835 in network-manager "MASTER - modems not detected - udev prober broken (Was: Huawei e169 doesn't connect + Globetrotter 3G+ card not recognized anymore)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346835 [16:09] blogdudel: there are two .rules files i asked to test [16:09] please test both [16:09] thanks [16:09] its really hard to follow the blogs if you dont follow everyone in it [16:09] gnomefreak: no errors here! [16:09] eheh [16:10] ok i do [16:10] then you end up like me with 300 RSS [16:10] after refresh none here now [16:11] eehe [16:11] I'm there [16:11] I even sent you a dent [16:11] how the hell do you send? enter doesnt work and well i only see cancel ill find it sooner or later [16:12] ahh [16:12] it froze it seems [16:12] wait you are jamed [16:12] press Esc [16:12] to leave the field [16:12] it freezes a lot [16:12] :( [16:12] ah there we go its sent [16:12] with compiz its easy to see [16:12] with metacity look at the corner [16:12] took awhile though [16:12] if the buble is not running then its frozen [16:12] got your now [16:13] i cant run compiz on this system since my mem is low and its a building system [16:13] ehe [16:13] then watch the circle bubbles [16:14] yay the package is going to upload :) [16:14] the bubble kept spinning but just stopped. I think fta2 needs to change servers [16:22] I can't, i left xchat open at work, and i'm at home (sick) [16:23] fta: ah [16:24] @asac 3g fail i try both files but nothing work what now ? [16:26] * gnomefreak needs to think of a fix for my problem :( ill be back [16:30] blogdudel: what did you try? [16:30] blogdudel: you need to replace the file ... then reboot [16:30] blogdudel: at least they should make your modems get detected [16:32] replace th m77 file [16:32] rebbot yes nothin happends no modem [16:33] * BUGabundo thinks asac is going to start confusing subjects [16:34] ;) [16:36] am i here? [16:37] damnit power surge i think [16:37] blogdudel: please post your complete syslog ... right after you plugged in your 3g modem [16:38] ok i see comments so maybe its a LP issue [16:38] gnomefreak: yes you are [16:38] BUGabundo: thanks [16:38] ah good lp works again [16:44] syslog how can i do that .. please what command [16:46] where to find the syslog where is he ? [16:46] ups sory i found ;) [16:53] how can i send the file syslog ? [16:55] blogdudel: not sure. open a bug [16:55] attach it there [16:55] also tell which .rules file you used for that syslog [16:55] thanks [17:18] sorry attach here copy the the file ? i using pidigin and i can not atach but copy and paste :) [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A syslogd 1.5.0#5ubuntu3: restart. [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.28-11-generic [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A kernel: Cannot find map file. [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A kernel: Loaded 54082 symbols from 42 modules. [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A kernel: [ 0.000000] BIOS EBDA/lowmem at: 0009ec00/0009ec00 [17:23] Mar 26 17:20:58 MBE1210A kernel: [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [17:25] blogdudel, no, use a pastebin service such as http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and give us the url [17:29] ähm sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/138410/ :) [17:31] Mar 26 17:26:28 MBE1210A NetworkManager: (ttyUSB0): found serial port (udev: hal:GSM) [17:31] are you sure you changed the 77-* rules file? [17:32] you should see "(udev:GSM hal:GSM)" [17:35] also enable debug for n-m: you can do that easily by creating a file called /etc/default/NetworkManager containing "export NM_SERIAL_DEBUG=1". then you need to reboot (or restart n-m) [17:46] heh ... fta helping on NM - hilarious! [17:47] eheh [17:47] I'm just tired of trying to follow your debuging [17:47] can't imagine how you guys are feeling [17:48] its a mess [17:49] asac, you should provide a default /etc/default/NetworkManager [17:50] fta@nano:~ $ cat /etc/default/NetworkManager [17:50] # fta [17:50] #export NM_ACTIVE_AP_DEBUG=1 [17:50] export NM_SERIAL_DEBUG=1 [17:50] export NM_PPP_DEBUG=1 [17:50] with nice comments, all disabled of course [17:50] hmm [17:50] good suggestion [17:51] lets see if someone managed to get the .rules working in the MASTER bug [17:51] nobody tried :( [17:51] thats always the same [17:51] i did :) [17:51] yeah [17:51] and it worked for you [17:51] but bug 346835 [17:51] Launchpad bug 346835 in network-manager "MASTER - modems not detected - udev prober broken (Was: Huawei e169 doesn't connect + Globetrotter 3G+ card not recognized anymore)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346835 [17:52] its always the same: you ask them to test the proper and they answer: "modem doesnt work" [17:52] ;) [17:52] fta: oh we have a new rules btw [17:52] the ../ was consider fragile [17:52] by udev upstream [17:52] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/346835/comments/11 [17:52] Ubuntu bug 346835 in network-manager "MASTER - modems not detected - udev prober broken (Was: Huawei e169 doesn't connect + Globetrotter 3G+ card not recognized anymore)" [Critical,In progress] [17:53] "No luck. It stays unchanged." [17:53] "Sorry, sorry, sorry. Good news and bad news." [17:53] ;) [17:54] that's what i meant yesterday by "you should pass that throuhg env{}" [17:54] through [17:54] yes [17:54] i had that idea from the beginning [17:54] but well. my udev rules fu was close to zeor [17:54] want me to test that? [17:54] bye guys [17:54] gym [17:55] but given that either keybuk and the udev upstream thought our way should work ;) ... [17:55] you should jsut push that to the ppa, you'll get testers that way ;) [17:55] fta: i will push that right to the archive [17:55] tonight is beta out i hope [17:55] oh [17:56] its interesting that nobody from the QA found that we have a critical MASTER bug that breaks all 3G, but well :) [17:56] lets assume they thought its not critical enough to hold the beta [17:57] fta: if you can test the .rules that owuld be great [17:57] i have the feelig that the master bug will not lead us anywhere [17:58] i guess the folks in there still think the bug is about "modem should work in general, everywhere with any device" [17:58] its always the same [17:58] *sigh* [17:58] "This issue has got a bit confusing... I'll try to decipher it. The main issue of the bug report is that the wireless broadband just doesn't work, I'm experiencing the same problem as Lanzen." [17:58] "Lanzen said that the 77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules file from Intrepid fixes the problem, the one posted above my Alexander doesn't." [17:58] ouch [17:58] Mar 26 18:58:10 nano NetworkManager: (ttyUSB0): found serial port (udev:GSM hal:GSM) [17:58] there was no such file in intrepid [17:58] fta: great. thanks [17:59] fta: do you know if your modem stuff got worse during jaunty? [17:59] i mean, maybe its really the probing itself that causes your instability [17:59] no idea, i just started to use 3G in ubuntu in january [17:59] and this: "Alexander, the syslog you requested (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/346835/comments/15) is the one here ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/346835/comments/4 ) - I'm receiving identical messages in mine, but I can't post it because my laptop battery just died. [17:59] Ubuntu bug 346835 in network-manager "MASTER - modems not detected - udev prober broken (Was: Huawei e169 doesn't connect + Globetrotter 3G+ card not recognized anymore)" [Critical,In progress] [17:59] " [18:00] its always the same: "mine is "identical", but sorry i cant post [18:00] fta: yes. but didnt it work well in the beginning? [18:00] let me check when this prober stuff first appeared [18:00] hmm ... in march [18:00] so ok [18:01] on my dell laptop, it worked well with my 2 SIMs, then broke on 1, then the other, now both [18:02] with my netbook, nothing ever worked, except 1 attempt yesterday eve [18:05] FIREFOX_3_0_8_BUILD2 [18:05] yeah [18:05] thats hopefully it [18:05] i will push that as final tomorrow morning to security area [18:11] by [18:13] asac, what are my options right now for my 3G? [18:13] i mean, remaining options [18:13] fta: you can try doing it manually using wvdial [18:13] i tried that yesterday [18:13] same? [18:14] same same but different most likely ;) [18:14] well, not sure. i had to write the init strings [18:15] with n-m down, it does work as there's no /dev/ttyUSB* [18:15] it does work? [18:16] lol [18:16] no, doesn't [18:16] sorry [18:16] /dev/ttyUSB0 should be available even without NM [18:16] anyway [18:16] i really really think its on ppp level [18:16] it's not there [18:17] I have it when I plug in my serial/usb converter :-D [18:17] problem is that our kernel seems to not have ppp debugging on [18:17]