[00:02] Thats manual [00:03] roffle7: So anytime your con nection is not made through the gui but on the commandline, the gui has no way now to know that all of a sudden it really is conncted [00:29] so then the solution would be to add an entry to the interfaces file and reboot? [01:35] how do i clean up my boot images? [01:35] i got like 6 installed [01:38] boot images? [01:38] sudo apt-get remove linux-image-(specific number of old version you want removed) [01:38] with --purge option, even [01:40] i remember a terminal command that automajickally cleaned up all the old files [01:41] apt-get autoremove might get rid of some of them... [01:41] i used it once before when I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 [02:28] hi, I'm using the xubuntu 8.10 livecd, and I can't get past the login screen. does anyone know what the default login is? I've tried "ubuntu" with no password, but that doesn't work. thanks. [02:44] how would I remove any package starting with xserver? [02:45] kinda like sudo apt-get remove *xserver* [02:47] I don't think anyone is here. [02:48] untested, but something like apt-get purge `dpkg --get-selections | egrep '^xserver-' | awk '{print $1}'` [02:49] however, if it were me, I would go to the synaptic package manager, search for "xserver" in package names (choose "Name" from the Look in: dropdown menu) and then just manually check off whatever you get [02:49] its a non gui machine that somehow got xserver installed on it [02:50] zoredache...like always...you're a genius...and that worked great [02:50] I know, and your welcome [02:52] you might want to try a follow up apt-get autoremove to get rid of any uneeded libraries [02:52] I don't understand why they would bother to make a live cd that is impossible to use [02:52] it's incredibly frustrating [02:53] jezmund: they wouldn't do that... but bugs are a fact of life... [02:53] I don't think I would call not publishing the default username and password is a "bug" [02:54] more like halfass [02:54] I don't believe there is any password.... [02:55] on the boot menu see if you can boot the 'live-expert' mode [02:55] I think it will let you set a password [02:57] there definitely is a password [02:57] how do you know? [02:57] ok, ok. maybe there isn't a password - but there is definitely a username [02:57] I have no idea what it is [02:58] but you can't use the cd without it [02:59] sounds like OE [02:59] sounds like poor documentation [03:00] I put in the cd, I start the computer - it splashes a login screen [03:00] there isn't really anything else I'm doing [03:00] in fact, there is literally nothing else I'm doing [03:01] where is the operator error? [03:03] type in ubuntu [03:04] or xubuntu [03:04] I did [03:05] I tried both [03:05] have you tried going into expert mode? [03:05] no, I'll try rebooting [03:06] I figured it would be easier to find out what the username and password are [03:06] since it's a default [03:06] cat /etc/password- [03:09] so... [03:09] 3 gigs of free space after that?! [03:15] ok, well I logged in using alternative parameters and the cd didn't boot to the GDM login - I looked at the password file and there is a "ubuntu" user - I don't know what the password is, though. I suppose you could mount the iso before you burn it and put in a blank password.... [03:15] I feel like somebody out there must know what the default password is [03:15] look at the file /etc/shadow [03:15] there are never passwords in /etc/passwd [03:16] I did [03:16] and there was an entry there for the ubuntu account? hrm... [03:17] I mean, you could zero it out before burning [03:18] although, like I said - I chose the "enter in additional parameters" option, and this time it didn't boot to the login screen [03:18] so, I don't need the password anymore, but it just seems odd that there is a password to begin with - and that it isn't documented anywhere [03:21] I'm definitely not the only person that has had this problem [03:38] hello.... [03:39] !hi | ccarrara_BRA [03:39] ccarrara_BRA: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [03:40] xubuntu is compatible with that system? Placa mãe: Sis-630-P6STP-FLC-00 (ECS P6STP-FL) em parênteses o nome [03:40] Processador: Intel Celeron, 850MHz [03:40] Ram: 330Mb modelo SDRAM [03:40] HD: ATA 40Gb [03:40] Vídeo: SiS300 Integrado [03:40] Chipset: SiS630 PCI-ISA [03:41] Mainboard: SiS630, Processor: Celeron850MHz, Ram: 330mb (SDRAM), HD: ATA, Chipset:SiS630 pci [03:43] ??? [03:49] ccarrara_BRA, yes [03:49] xubuntu should run great there [03:50] [forces]: oh, thanks... I download now! bye! [04:10] hello guys [04:10] ive got xubuntu installed on my lappy [04:11] and i plug in a wifi usbs tick [04:11] it doesnt work [04:11] not recognized at all [04:11] but i plug it into my desktop with ubuntu and it works fine [04:11] :/ [04:11] any ideas [04:11] (just started using ubuntu couple days ago) [04:18] moose86: check out menu-settings-settings manager-removable media. [04:19] whoops, click on apps first, then follow that. [04:19] ok sec [04:20] ok im there [04:20] what shud i look for [04:20] moose86: is hotplup enabled? [04:20] hotplug [04:21] i dont see an option for hotplug [04:22] "mount removable drives when hotplugged" [04:22] yes enabled [04:22] soz [04:22] moose86: how about mount removable media when hotpluged? [04:23] ok [04:23] mount removable media when inserted " yes [04:23] enabled [04:24] umm, it should work, there was issues with hotplug a will back, and I forget what the solution was, you might try asking in #Ubuntu? [04:24] wait so then it does not need to be manually installed? [04:25] moose86: when you plug in a USB stick, it should open a file manager, and show you what's on it. [04:25] a usb wifi stick? [04:25] those dont hold anythign tho do they? [04:26] moose86: don't now how they work, never played with one. sorry [04:27] :/ thx anyway [04:27] gl [04:27] :) [04:29] I'm playing with my screensaver, and it doesn't activate, do I need to log out and back in again for the settings to work? [04:30] ! screensaver [04:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver [07:31] anybody else having total system freeze with xubuntu 8.10 ? [07:32] I have laptop and desktop machines freezing totally every now and then [07:33] picture stays, but mouse cursor not moving, keyboard not fuctioning, and at least desktop not even answering ping packets [07:37] on desktop I've had that freeze 4 times when I'm away, no big activity on computer [07:37] and on laptop they are allways when I'm working on it [09:54] xubuntu-desktop does not depend on any screensaver or screen locking utility. Is it a bug? [09:58] xflock4 fails anyway, if no such utility is installed. [10:09] jarnos: xubuntu-desktop does recommend xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-data [10:10] jarnos: try installing with the --install-recommends option to apt-get [10:20] gabkdlly: It recommends also gnome-screensaver. I have installed with Recommends. (apt-get install has that option as default in Xubuntu 8.10) [10:29] jarnos: you may have discovered a bug, but I would recommend searching the forums before filing a bug [11:34] Hey, anyone tell me how to uninstall xubuntu?? [11:34] just delete the partitions with fdisk and run fdisk -MBR on windows [11:35] or somehting like that [11:35] better read about 'restoring mbr on windows' [11:35] there is also ##windows channel [11:35] oh... so theres no "uninstal" option?? i just delete it?? [11:35] and can you tell me what does "mbr" mean/ [11:35] oh.. okay.. i'll ask in there..thanks.. :) [11:35] master boot record [11:36] it's the place on your hard disk drive that is being read first when your computer boots up, and decides which operating system to start [11:36] xubuntu replaces it with GRUB, the program that shows you the boot meny [11:36] menu [11:36] windows just replaces it with itself [11:37] ah.. i see... [11:37] so.. i put the windows boot thing on the mbr??... [11:37] note that it's very important to restore MBR before you delete the xubuntu partitions [11:38] and there will be no trace of xubuntu left?? on the system?? [11:38] oh.. okay.. [11:38] because GRUB won't work without them, and your computer won't boot at all from the hard disk [11:38] so the procedure would be probably: restore mbr, check if it boots to windows (without grub), then delete the partitions [11:38] yeah.. I understand the scenario.. pretty scray! [11:38] scary* [11:39] you can always boot from the livecd and restore grub... [11:39] at least as long as you have the xubuntu partitions on the disk [11:39] oh.. okay.. so.. i restore the mbr to windows now? [11:40] should i install xubuntu again?? to restore the grub?? [11:40] microsoft has a good article on getting rid of linux [11:40] figures :) [11:40] call microsoft :) [11:41] :) [11:41] jayant412: boot to windows and run 'fdisk /mbr' (or something like that, see fdisk's help for details, my window-fu is rusty) [11:41] can you point me to the article? [11:41] jayant412: reboot the computer and verify it goes straight to windows, without grub [11:41] jayant412: if it does, you can delete the xubuntu partitions [11:42] alright.. [11:42] i am on windows right now....i am trying it out.. [11:42] give me a minute or however long it takes.. :) Thanks a lot! [11:52] TheSheep: Hey, I tried it out...but it didnt work......turns out that fdisk/mbr is not there on windows Xp.. [11:53] and I am running windows Xp... [11:53] :( [11:53] well, ask on ##windows or google === cyzie_ is now known as cyzie [12:40] * Dillizar puts some ratpoison in the channel :P [12:44] Dillizar: yeah, titling wms are cool [12:44] tiling [12:47] :P [12:47] * Dillizar ask him self if Xubuntu logo is a mouse or a rat?? [12:48] does xubuntu uses xine [12:49] and does it use more gnome or kde programs ? [12:50] it tries to use gtk apps but it can preload qt too [12:50] it uses gstreamer [12:50] and it uses a couple of gnome programs: gnome-screensaver, totem, brasero [12:50] :( damn gstreamer sucks and the new one too [12:51] but it doesn't use pulseaudio :) [12:51] which is a great plus [12:51] wait i need pulseaudio for windows programs with wine [12:51] ?? [12:51] no... [12:52] wine can use alsa directly [12:52] super and now only the gstreamer problem to fiz and i can ionstall it :) [12:52] what problem? [12:53] when i install the new gstreamers my totem doesnt work [12:53] do you have the bug number? [12:53] nope just ERROR [12:53] if you report a bug, it might even get fixed :) [12:53] and all the other programs doesnt have sound [12:53] don't [12:54] but it the the gstreamer 10 (the good version) [12:54] maybe some application is grabbing all the audio channels? [12:54] don have problems with xine [12:54] even the amraok doesnt work when i have the gstreamer [12:55] !sound [12:55] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [12:55] !mp3 [12:55] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [12:56] sorry ubottu but my gogear doesnt use ogg :P [13:12] hi anyone around to help a noob [13:13] what :) [13:13] webbook what seems to be the problem [13:13] i just installed xubuntu onan elonex laptop and im having resolution problems [13:14] hmm [13:14] ok [13:14] go to hardware drivers [13:14] and install the graphic card [13:15] you do know where is "hardware drivers" [13:15] yep in system [13:15] ok [13:15] but theres no install option [13:15] click IN USE [13:16] just click use or activate [13:16] dont remeber witch one was it [13:16] but [13:16] no prprietary drivers are in use on this system [13:16] do it :) [13:16] proprietary [13:16] what graphic card are ya using [13:17] interl?? [13:17] im not sure :) [13:17] intel* [13:17] i beleve its an intel chipset [13:17] did you try to change the resolution [13:17] yep but i just get out of sync screen [13:20] hmm [13:20] looks like drivers problem [13:20] first you need to find your graphic card name [13:21] cheers ill try downloading the driver management app [13:21] thanks for your help dude [13:30] according to schedule, jaunty beta will come out today. when will xubuntu jaunty beta follow? [13:35] already linked, but still 404: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement [14:02] Simultaneously, ilf. Around 21:00 UTC. === Pici` is now known as Pici [15:03] hi [15:05] Hello [15:21] xubuntu is alive cd correct ? [15:21] Yes, the desktop cd is a live cd [15:21] cool [15:24] i need it cause i need to boot it from a windows 9x machine with 128 mb ram [15:24] according to the website xubuntu is good for that right ? .. im assuming its uses xfce [15:25] 128MB of ram is a little low for a livecd [15:25] The alternate cd is good for that [15:25] The livecd requires 192 MB [15:25] You can try it, but I was unable to make it boot and run with 128MB [15:26] xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso < -- this one or xubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso < -- this one [15:26] xubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso [15:27] will allow you to install Xubuntu on that system. You can make it dual boot with windows, if you need to. [15:28] It is not a livecd, but it will install [15:28] i need a live cd [15:28] im trying to recovery files [15:28] Has 9.04 Beta dropped yet? And if so, where's the torrent? [15:28] maybe use damn small linux or something [15:28] dsl sucks [15:28] Maybe knoppix will work [15:28] likemindead: no beta yet [15:28] charlie-tca: dsl is based on knoppix, but smaller [15:28] Grrr... [15:29] yea [15:29] it dosen't have the tools i need [15:29] so can i use xubuntu ? [15:29] then add them [15:29] dsl supports saving [15:29] its complicated [15:29] macman_: it's likely to be very slow and even crash with so low ram [15:29] Also try CrunchBang Linux & antiX M8. [15:29] macman_: You might try the 7.10 version [15:29] for what charlie-tca [15:30] kthxbai [15:30] for live cd. It might work, with 128MB [15:30] use 7.10 for live cd ? [15:30] aw ok [15:30] i have that cd [15:30] thanks [15:33] 7.04 won't boot up [15:34] im going to download xubuntu [15:34] 7.04 or 7.10? [15:34] 7.04 [15:34] Yeah, it never did work for me either. That is why I said try 7.10, but you can try any of them and maybe one will work for you. [15:34] lol [15:35] 8.10 pwns all [15:35] 128MB is just too little for a decent livecd [15:35] so xubuntu desktop is a live cd right ? [15:35] right [15:40] Is there not still a text-mode install option from the main boot menu? (at least, I think there used to be) [15:43] Slor: there is on the alternate cd [15:44] ah [16:05] is there anyway to save the current rules in IPTABLES so that they will stay even after a reboot? [16:06] The-Kernel: see the manpages of iptables-save and iptables-restore [16:19] The-Kernel: don't enter the rules directly, use a firewall tool like firehol, firestarter, or something perhaps? [16:34] I'll just use a script :/ [16:35] The-Kernel: a post-up in /etc/network/interfaces which uses iptables-restore is usually how I do it [16:50] anyone in here using the built in Remote desktop viewer and know which servers it supports? I tried ultravnc which apparently diden't work, i need a server for my windows xp mediacenter [16:51] Slonkie [16:52] I've used ultravnc and realvnc [16:52] they both have worked for me [16:52] wierd [16:53] i'll try realvnc tho [16:55] with the built in client, the user needs to be physically logged into the server for it to work [16:55] then you can do it remotely [16:55] eh i don't understand [16:57] what do you mean by physically logged into the server? [16:58] Slonkie: eg: If there is no desktop already up on the box you want to log into by vnc, you won't be able to log into it [16:58] oh [16:59] now i see [17:06] I'm having an issue with audio playback in movie players. Sound works in firefox (youtube and the like) but not xine and "movie player" [17:06] xine creates a xine-out.wav file in the folder where the video is played from [17:08] when i try to increase the volume using xine's GUI, it shows the volume meter go up for a few seconds, then it reverts back to 0% on its ow [17:08] *own [17:10] any ideas? [17:14] ok... nevermind...closing firefox fixed that... wierd. [17:49] anyone ever set up port knocking before? [19:53] what could it be, if my add/remove panel doesn´t show anything on Xubuntu 8.10? Synaptic works, filters seem ok. [20:05] Shooree: you're probably missing app-install-data [20:05] but it all worked flawlessly [20:06] how can I be missing anything just like that? [20:06] maybe you uninstalled it? [20:06] should I try apt-get? [20:06] nope [20:06] messed around with keyboard layouts a bit, but didn´t uninstall anything [20:06] !info just a wild guess [20:06] 'a' is not a valid distribution ['dapper', 'gutsy', 'gutsy-backports', 'hardy', 'hardy-backports', 'intrepid', 'intrepid-backports', 'jaunty', 'jaunty-backports', 'kde4-ppa', 'kubuntu-members-kde4', 'medibuntu', 'partner'] [20:07] sprry [20:07] sorry [20:07] what could it be, if my add/remove panel doesn´t show anything on Xubuntu 8.10? Synaptic works, filters seem ok [20:07] oh [20:07] sry [20:07] I thought I c/ped the terminal notice [20:08] i.e. app-install-data already installed [20:08] I have just installed xubuntu under wubi , working great - I like it better than ubuntu. If I want anything fancy, I do it via Firefox Extensions but I like to keep the OS clean and simple [20:08] Really fast [20:08] TheSheep, any further ideas? [20:08] UKGent: thanks for your kind words. [20:09] all fields remain empty once I start it [20:09] charlie-tca took ages to download & install the 199 updates though ! [20:09] says theres no matching applications, even though the filterbox is empty [20:12] Only 199? I did 341 this morning. The good thing is you only do that many once. [20:12] If you use update-manager now when the icon shows up, you will only have a couple at a time [20:12] thereśa [20:12] damn [20:12] sry [20:12] theres no categories in the filter column in add/remove at all. [20:12] how the hell did I do that? [20:12] Maybe it has to do with the languages that are not translated? [20:12] charlie-tca gottcha ! I am new to really knowing how linux works but have used Kubuntu & Ubuntu as a general user. I want to get into Linux properly but will take it steady. I broke the xwindows on my last ubuntu installation ! [20:12] Shooree: I'd check in synaptic if you have the app-install-data package [20:13] UKGent: you will break it a lot, don't worry, it's usually easy to fix :) [20:13] I repeat, it worked like a charm [20:13] UKGent: It does get easier with each break I have to fix :-) [20:13] TheSheep When you know how, yes. That is why I want to emerge from being a rank beginner! [20:14] TheSheep, yes its installed [20:14] The real good part is you very seldom have to reinstall to fix what broke [20:14] charlie-tca that is good to know! [20:14] UKGent: you won't know how if you don't fix it after breaking it several times :) [20:14] damn my kboard layout is going crazy [20:14] and restarting almost never fixes things, so you unlearn it [20:14] Shooree: do you have free space on your disk? [20:14] TheSheep that is true - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing but no knowledge is worse ! [20:14] yup [20:15] Shooree: running out of it sometimes causes weird behavior [20:15] nono Ive got 100GB free [20:15] I installed some language files though [20:15] through system>language support [20:15] that shouldn't break things [20:16] cause Im trying to get my laptop to recognise my media keys and properly layout my kboard in different languages [20:16] I know! that;s why Iḿ upsett [20:16] gah [20:16] ḿśśś [20:16] nice :) [20:16] what the hell [20:17] :( [20:17] * TheSheep likes his compose key [20:17] heh [20:17] tried restarting X [20:17] nothing changes [20:17] restarting never helps [20:17] what could I have messed up [20:17] lol [20:17] TheSheep and charlie-tca I was trying to improve my 3D rendering by installing some files but I think I upset xwindows and GRUB could not repair it.... that prompted me to look at Xfce which looks a more robust Desktop System [20:17] Im getting used to that, TheSheep [20:18] should I try reinstalling app-install-data? [20:19] might help [20:20] in synaptic, Ive got 3 packages installed> that one, the gnome one, and commercial [20:20] should I reinstall all three [20:23] if you have them, no reinstalling is necessary [20:23] how can i take a screenshot of my login screen? [20:23] yay [20:24] disassembler: run it in qemu or vmware or something [20:24] its heeeere [20:24] TheSheep, thanks [20:24] TheSheep: thanks! :] [20:29] what's the ratio of experienced linux users to beginners here? [20:29] disassembler: no idea how to measure it [20:29] Quick Poll? [20:30] Me Beginner [20:30] yeah, i guess that's true. [20:30] disassembler: there are some very good fellas, and everyone learns fast if they bother to stay [20:31] i'm a beginner, i've only been using linux for about five months now, but i'm picking up on things pretty quickly. [20:31] I am 50 years old and my memory is not what it used to be but I love learning new stuff. I intend to at least evolve into an intermediate user [20:31] UKGent: it had been scientifically proven that only very inexperienced peole consider themselves good, the more experienced you are, the more you tend to underestimate your skills [20:32] UKGent: so I wouldn't rely on a poll :) [20:32] just reading the xubuntu help documentation helped a lot and now terminal is my new best friend. :] [20:33] TheSheep You do get less 'cocky' when you get older. My short term memory is useless compared to what I was like when I was 20 say. On the other hand, I seem to be able to integrate a whole lot of knowledge in a way I could not do before [20:35] UKGent: if you somehow measured IQ of a 4-year-old kid using 'adult' techniques, you'd get a score of about 4--500 [20:35] 400-500 [20:35] as long as you don't check for knowledge [20:40]