[00:02] <genii> Thats manual
[00:03] <genii> roffle7: So anytime your con nection is not made through the gui but on the commandline, the gui has no way now to know that all of a sudden it really is conncted
[00:29] <roffle7> so then the solution would be to add an entry to the interfaces file and reboot?
[01:35] <J_Litewski> how do i clean up my boot images?
[01:35] <J_Litewski> i got like 6 installed
[01:38] <zoredache> boot images?
[01:38] <genii> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-(specific number of old version you want removed)
[01:38] <genii> with --purge option, even
[01:40] <J_Litewski> i remember a terminal command that automajickally cleaned up all the old files
[01:41] <zoredache> apt-get autoremove might get rid of some of them...
[01:41] <J_Litewski> i used it once before when I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04
[02:28] <jezmund> hi, I'm using the xubuntu 8.10 livecd, and I can't get past the login screen.  does anyone know what the default login is?  I've tried "ubuntu" with no password, but that doesn't work.  thanks.
[02:44] <The-Kernel> how would I remove any package starting with xserver?
[02:45] <The-Kernel> kinda like sudo apt-get remove *xserver*
[02:47] <jezmund> I don't think anyone is here.
[02:48] <zoredache> untested, but something like apt-get purge `dpkg --get-selections | egrep '^xserver-' | awk '{print $1}'`
[02:49] <jezmund> however, if it were me, I would go to the synaptic package manager, search for "xserver" in package names (choose "Name" from the Look in: dropdown menu) and then just manually check off whatever you get
[02:49] <The-Kernel> its a non gui machine that somehow got xserver installed on it
[02:50] <The-Kernel> zoredache...like always...you're a genius...and that worked great
[02:50] <zoredache> I know, and your welcome
[02:52] <zoredache> you might want to try a follow up apt-get autoremove to get rid of any uneeded libraries
[02:52] <jezmund> I don't understand why they would bother to make a live cd that is impossible to use
[02:52] <jezmund> it's incredibly frustrating
[02:53] <zoredache> jezmund: they wouldn't do that... but bugs are a fact of life...
[02:53] <jezmund> I don't think I would call not publishing the default username and password is a "bug"
[02:54] <jezmund> more like halfass
[02:54] <zoredache> I don't believe there is any password....
[02:55] <zoredache> on the boot menu see if you can boot the 'live-expert' mode
[02:55] <zoredache> I think it will let you set a password
[02:57] <jezmund> there definitely is a password
[02:57] <zoredache> how do you know?
[02:57] <jezmund> ok, ok.  maybe there isn't a password - but there is definitely a username
[02:57] <jezmund> I have no idea what it is
[02:58] <jezmund> but you can't use the cd without it
[02:59] <The-Kernel> sounds like OE
[02:59] <jezmund> sounds like poor documentation
[03:00] <jezmund> I put in the cd, I start the computer - it splashes a login screen
[03:00] <jezmund> there isn't really anything else I'm doing
[03:00] <jezmund> in fact, there is literally nothing else I'm doing
[03:01] <jezmund> where is the operator error?
[03:03] <The-Kernel> type in ubuntu
[03:04] <The-Kernel> or xubuntu
[03:04] <jezmund> I did
[03:05] <jezmund> I tried both
[03:05] <zoredache> have you tried going into expert mode?
[03:05] <jezmund> no, I'll try rebooting
[03:06] <jezmund> I figured it would be easier to find out what the username and password are
[03:06] <jezmund> since it's a default
[03:06] <jezmund> cat /etc/password-
[03:09] <The-Kernel> so...
[03:09] <The-Kernel> 3 gigs of free space after that?!
[03:15] <jezmund> ok, well I logged in using alternative parameters and the cd didn't boot to the GDM login - I looked at the password file and there is a "ubuntu" user - I don't know what the password is, though.  I suppose you could mount the iso before you burn it and put in a blank password....
[03:15] <jezmund> I feel like somebody out there must know what the default password is
[03:15] <zoredache> look at the file /etc/shadow
[03:15] <zoredache> there are never passwords in /etc/passwd
[03:16] <jezmund> I did
[03:16] <zoredache> and there was an entry there for the ubuntu account? hrm...
[03:17] <jezmund> I mean, you could zero it out before burning
[03:18] <jezmund> although, like I said - I chose the "enter in additional parameters" option, and this time it didn't boot to the login screen
[03:18] <jezmund> so, I don't need the password anymore, but it just seems odd that there is a password to begin with - and that it isn't documented anywhere
[03:21] <jezmund> I'm definitely not the only person that has had this problem
[03:38] <ccarrara_BRA> hello....
[03:39] <zoredache> !hi | ccarrara_BRA
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> xubuntu is compatible with that system? Placa mãe: Sis-630-P6STP-FLC-00 (ECS P6STP-FL) em parênteses o nome
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> Processador: Intel Celeron, 850MHz
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> Ram: 330Mb modelo SDRAM
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> HD: ATA 40Gb
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> Vídeo: SiS300 Integrado
[03:40] <ccarrara_BRA> Chipset: SiS630 PCI-ISA
[03:41] <ccarrara_BRA> Mainboard: SiS630, Processor: Celeron850MHz, Ram: 330mb (SDRAM), HD: ATA, Chipset:SiS630 pci
[03:43] <ccarrara_BRA> ???
[03:49] <forces> ccarrara_BRA, yes
[03:49] <forces> xubuntu should run great there
[03:50] <ccarrara_BRA> [forces]: oh, thanks... I download now! bye!
[04:10] <moose86> hello guys
[04:10] <moose86> ive got xubuntu installed on my lappy
[04:11] <moose86> and i plug in a wifi usbs tick
[04:11] <moose86> it doesnt work
[04:11] <moose86> not recognized at all
[04:11] <moose86> but i plug it into my desktop with ubuntu and it works fine
[04:11] <moose86> :/
[04:11] <moose86> any ideas
[04:11] <moose86> (just started using ubuntu couple days ago)
[04:18] <n2diy> moose86: check out menu-settings-settings manager-removable media.
[04:19] <n2diy> whoops, click on apps first, then follow that.
[04:19] <moose86> ok sec
[04:20] <moose86> ok im there
[04:20] <moose86> what shud i look for
[04:20] <n2diy> moose86: is hotplup enabled?
[04:20] <n2diy> hotplug
[04:21] <moose86> i dont see an option for hotplug
[04:22] <moose86> "mount removable drives when hotplugged"
[04:22] <moose86> yes enabled
[04:22] <moose86> soz
[04:22] <n2diy> moose86: how about mount removable media when hotpluged?
[04:23] <n2diy> ok
[04:23] <moose86> mount removable media when inserted " yes
[04:23] <moose86> enabled
[04:24] <n2diy> umm, it should work, there was issues with hotplug a will back, and I forget what the solution was, you might try asking in #Ubuntu?
[04:24] <moose86> wait so then it does not need to be manually installed?
[04:25] <n2diy> moose86: when you plug in a USB stick, it should open a file manager, and show you what's on it.
[04:25] <moose86> a usb wifi stick?
[04:25] <moose86> those dont hold anythign tho do they?
[04:26] <n2diy> moose86: don't now how they work, never played with one. sorry
[04:27] <moose86> :/ thx anyway
[04:27] <n2diy> gl
[04:27] <moose86> :)
[04:29] <n2diy> I'm playing with my screensaver, and it doesn't activate, do I need to log out and back in again for the settings to work?
[04:30] <n2diy> ! screensaver
[07:31] <tavasti> anybody else having total system freeze with xubuntu 8.10  ?
[07:32] <tavasti> I have laptop and desktop machines freezing totally every now and then
[07:33] <tavasti> picture stays, but mouse cursor not moving, keyboard not fuctioning, and at least desktop not even answering ping packets
[07:37] <tavasti> on desktop I've had that freeze 4 times when I'm away, no big activity on computer
[07:37] <tavasti> and on laptop they are allways when I'm working on it
[09:54] <jarnos> xubuntu-desktop does not depend on any screensaver or screen locking utility. Is it a bug?
[09:58] <jarnos> xflock4 fails anyway, if no such utility is installed.
[10:09] <gabkdlly> jarnos: xubuntu-desktop does recommend xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-data
[10:10] <gabkdlly> jarnos: try installing with the --install-recommends option to apt-get
[10:20] <jarnos> gabkdlly: It recommends also gnome-screensaver. I have installed with Recommends. (apt-get install has that option as default in Xubuntu 8.10)
[10:29] <gabkdlly> jarnos: you may have discovered a bug, but I would recommend searching the forums before filing a bug
[11:34] <jayant412> Hey, anyone tell me how to uninstall xubuntu??
[11:34] <TheSheep> just delete the partitions with fdisk and run fdisk -MBR on windows
[11:35] <TheSheep> or somehting like that
[11:35] <TheSheep> better read about 'restoring mbr on windows'
[11:35] <TheSheep> there is also ##windows channel
[11:35] <jayant412> oh... so theres no "uninstal" option?? i just delete it??
[11:35] <jayant412> and can you tell me what does "mbr" mean/
[11:35] <jayant412> oh.. okay.. i'll ask in there..thanks.. :)
[11:35] <TheSheep> master boot record
[11:36] <TheSheep> it's the place on your hard disk drive that is being read first when your computer boots up, and decides which operating system to start
[11:36] <TheSheep> xubuntu replaces it with GRUB, the program that shows you the boot meny
[11:36] <TheSheep> menu
[11:36] <TheSheep> windows just replaces it with itself
[11:37] <jayant412> ah.. i see...
[11:37] <jayant412> so.. i put the windows boot thing on the mbr??...
[11:37] <TheSheep> note that it's very important to restore MBR before you delete the xubuntu partitions
[11:38] <jayant412> and there will be no trace of xubuntu left?? on the system??
[11:38] <jayant412> oh.. okay..
[11:38] <TheSheep> because GRUB won't work without them, and your computer won't boot at all from the hard disk
[11:38] <TheSheep> so the procedure would be probably: restore mbr, check if it boots to windows (without grub), then delete the partitions
[11:38] <jayant412> yeah.. I understand the scenario.. pretty scray!
[11:38] <jayant412> scary*
[11:39] <TheSheep> you can always boot from the livecd and restore grub...
[11:39] <TheSheep> at least as long as you have the xubuntu partitions on the disk
[11:39] <jayant412> oh.. okay.. so.. i restore the mbr to windows now?
[11:40] <jayant412> should i install xubuntu again?? to restore the grub??
[11:40] <hatake_kakashi> microsoft has a good article on getting rid of linux
[11:40] <TheSheep> figures :)
[11:40] <hatake_kakashi> call microsoft :)
[11:41] <jayant412> :)
[11:41] <TheSheep> jayant412: boot to windows and run 'fdisk /mbr' (or something like that, see fdisk's help for details, my window-fu is rusty)
[11:41] <jayant412> can you point me to the article?
[11:41] <TheSheep> jayant412:  reboot the computer and verify it goes straight to windows, without grub
[11:41] <TheSheep> jayant412: if it does, you can delete the xubuntu partitions
[11:42] <jayant412> alright..
[11:42] <jayant412> i am on windows right now....i am trying it out..
[11:42] <jayant412> give me a minute or however long it takes.. :) Thanks a lot!
[11:52] <jayant412> TheSheep: Hey, I tried it out...but it didnt work......turns out that fdisk/mbr is not there on windows Xp..
[11:53] <jayant412> and I am running windows Xp...
[11:53] <jayant412> :(
[11:53] <TheSheep> well, ask on ##windows or google
[12:40]  * Dillizar puts some ratpoison in the channel :P
[12:44] <TheSheep> Dillizar: yeah, titling wms are cool
[12:44] <TheSheep> tiling
[12:47] <Dillizar> :P
[12:47]  * Dillizar ask him self if Xubuntu logo is a mouse or a rat??
[12:48] <Dillizar> does xubuntu uses xine
[12:49] <Dillizar> and does it use more gnome or kde programs ?
[12:50] <Myrtti> it tries to use gtk apps but it can preload qt too
[12:50] <TheSheep> it uses gstreamer
[12:50] <TheSheep> and it uses a couple of gnome programs: gnome-screensaver, totem, brasero
[12:50] <Dillizar> :( damn gstreamer sucks and the new one too
[12:51] <TheSheep> but it doesn't use pulseaudio :)
[12:51] <TheSheep> which is a great plus
[12:51] <Dillizar> wait i need pulseaudio for windows programs with wine
[12:51] <Dillizar> ??
[12:51] <TheSheep> no...
[12:52] <TheSheep> wine can use alsa directly
[12:52] <Dillizar> super and now only the gstreamer problem to fiz and i can ionstall it :)
[12:52] <TheSheep> what problem?
[12:53] <Dillizar> when i install the new gstreamers my totem doesnt work
[12:53] <TheSheep> do you have the bug number?
[12:53] <Dillizar> nope just ERROR
[12:53] <TheSheep> if you report a bug, it might even get fixed :)
[12:53] <Dillizar> and all the other programs doesnt have sound
[12:53] <TheSheep> don't
[12:54] <Dillizar> but it the the gstreamer 10 (the good version)
[12:54] <TheSheep> maybe some application is grabbing all the audio channels?
[12:54] <Dillizar> don have problems with xine
[12:54] <Dillizar> even the amraok doesnt work when i have the gstreamer
[12:55] <TheSheep> !sound
[12:55] <Dillizar> !mp3
[12:56] <Dillizar> sorry ubottu but my gogear doesnt use ogg :P
[13:12] <webbook> hi anyone around to help a noob
[13:13] <ratbert> what :)
[13:13] <ratbert> webbook what seems to be the problem
[13:13] <webbook> i just installed xubuntu onan elonex laptop and im having resolution problems
[13:14] <ratbert> hmm
[13:14] <ratbert> ok
[13:14] <ratbert> go to hardware drivers
[13:14] <ratbert> and install the graphic card
[13:15] <ratbert> you do know where is "hardware drivers"
[13:15] <webbook> yep in system
[13:15] <ratbert> ok
[13:15] <webbook> but theres no install option
[13:15] <ratbert> click IN USE
[13:16] <ratbert> just click use or activate
[13:16] <ratbert> dont remeber witch one was it
[13:16] <ratbert> but
[13:16] <webbook> no prprietary drivers are in use on this system
[13:16] <ratbert> do it :)
[13:16] <webbook> proprietary
[13:16] <ratbert> what graphic card are ya using
[13:17] <ratbert> interl??
[13:17] <webbook> im not sure :)
[13:17] <ratbert> intel*
[13:17] <webbook> i beleve its an intel chipset
[13:17] <ratbert> did you try to change the resolution
[13:17] <webbook> yep but i just get out of sync screen
[13:20] <ratbert> hmm
[13:20] <ratbert> looks like drivers problem
[13:20] <ratbert> first you need to find your graphic card name
[13:21] <webbook> cheers ill try downloading the driver management app
[13:21] <webbook> thanks for your help dude
[13:30] <ilf> according to schedule, jaunty beta will come out today. when will xubuntu jaunty beta follow?
[13:35] <ilf> already linked, but still 404: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement
[14:02] <Legate> Simultaneously, ilf. Around 21:00 UTC.
[15:03] <macman> hi
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Hello
[15:21] <macman_> xubuntu is alive cd correct ?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Yes, the desktop cd is a live cd
[15:21] <macman_> cool
[15:24] <macman_> i need it cause i need to boot it from a windows 9x machine with 128 mb ram
[15:24] <macman_> according to the website xubuntu is good for that right ? .. im assuming its uses xfce
[15:25] <TheSheep> 128MB  of ram is a little low for a livecd
[15:25] <charlie-tca> The alternate cd is good for that
[15:25] <charlie-tca> The livecd requires 192 MB
[15:25] <charlie-tca> You can try it, but I was unable to make it boot and run with 128MB
[15:26] <macman_> xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso   < -- this one or xubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso  < -- this one
[15:26] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso
[15:27] <charlie-tca> will allow you to install Xubuntu on that system. You can make it dual boot with windows, if you need to.
[15:28] <charlie-tca> It is not a livecd, but it will install
[15:28] <macman_> i need a live cd
[15:28] <macman_> im trying to recovery files
[15:28] <likemindead> Has 9.04 Beta dropped yet? And if so, where's the torrent?
[15:28] <TheSheep> maybe use damn small linux or something
[15:28] <macman_> dsl sucks
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Maybe knoppix will work
[15:28] <charlie-tca> likemindead: no beta yet
[15:28] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: dsl is based on knoppix, but smaller
[15:28] <likemindead> Grrr...
[15:29] <macman_> yea
[15:29] <macman_> it dosen't have the tools i need
[15:29] <macman_> so can i use xubuntu ?
[15:29] <TheSheep> then add them
[15:29] <TheSheep> dsl supports saving
[15:29] <macman_> its complicated
[15:29] <TheSheep> macman_: it's likely to be very slow and even crash with so low ram
[15:29] <likemindead> Also try CrunchBang Linux & antiX M8.
[15:29] <charlie-tca> macman_: You might try the 7.10 version
[15:29] <macman_> for what charlie-tca
[15:30] <likemindead> kthxbai
[15:30] <charlie-tca> for live cd. It might work, with 128MB
[15:30] <macman_> use 7.10 for live cd ?
[15:30] <macman_> aw ok
[15:30] <macman_> i have that cd
[15:30] <macman_> thanks
[15:33] <macman_> 7.04  won't boot up
[15:34] <macman_> im going to download xubuntu
[15:34] <charlie-tca> 7.04 or 7.10?
[15:34] <macman_> 7.04
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it never did work for me either. That is why I said try 7.10, but you can try any of them and maybe one will work for you.
[15:34] <macman_> lol
[15:35] <macman_> 8.10 pwns all
[15:35] <TheSheep> 128MB is just too little for a decent livecd
[15:35] <macman_> so xubuntu desktop is a live cd right ?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> right
[15:40] <Slor> Is there not still a text-mode install option from the main boot menu?  (at least, I think there used to be)
[15:43] <TheSheep> Slor: there is on the alternate cd
[15:44] <Slor> ah
[16:05] <The-Kernel> is there anyway to save the current rules in IPTABLES so that they will stay even after a reboot?
[16:06] <genii> The-Kernel: see the manpages of iptables-save and iptables-restore
[16:19] <zoredache> The-Kernel: don't enter the rules directly, use a firewall tool like firehol, firestarter, or something perhaps?
[16:34] <The-Kernel> I'll just use a script :/
[16:35] <genii> The-Kernel: a post-up in /etc/network/interfaces which uses iptables-restore is usually how I do it
[16:50] <Slonkie> anyone in here using the built in Remote desktop viewer and know which servers it supports? I tried ultravnc which apparently diden't work, i need a server for my windows xp mediacenter
[16:51] <The-Kernel> Slonkie
[16:52] <The-Kernel> I've used ultravnc and realvnc
[16:52] <The-Kernel> they both have worked for me
[16:52] <Slonkie> wierd
[16:53] <Slonkie> i'll try realvnc tho
[16:55] <The-Kernel> with the built in client, the user needs to be physically logged into the server for it to work
[16:55] <The-Kernel> then you can do it remotely
[16:55] <Slonkie> eh i don't understand
[16:57] <Slonkie> what do you mean by physically logged into the server?
[16:58] <genii> Slonkie: eg: If there is no desktop already up on the box you want to log into by vnc, you won't be able to log into it
[16:58] <Slonkie> oh
[16:59] <Slonkie> now i see
[17:06] <gorgut> I'm having an issue with audio playback in movie players. Sound works in firefox (youtube and the like) but not xine and "movie player"
[17:06] <gorgut> xine creates a xine-out.wav file in the folder where the video is played from
[17:08] <gorgut> when i try to increase the volume using xine's GUI, it shows the volume meter go up for a few seconds, then it reverts back to 0% on its ow
[17:08] <gorgut> *own
[17:10] <gorgut> any ideas?
[17:14] <gorgut> ok... nevermind...closing firefox fixed that... wierd.
[17:49] <The-Kernel> anyone ever set up port knocking before?
[19:53] <Shooree> what could it be, if my add/remove panel doesn´t show anything on Xubuntu 8.10? Synaptic works, filters seem ok.
[20:05] <TheSheep> Shooree: you're probably missing app-install-data
[20:05] <Shooree> but it all worked flawlessly
[20:06] <Shooree> how can I be missing anything just like that?
[20:06] <TheSheep> maybe you uninstalled it?
[20:06] <Shooree> should I try apt-get?
[20:06] <Shooree> nope
[20:06] <Shooree> messed around with keyboard layouts a bit, but didn´t uninstall anything
[20:06] <TheSheep> !info just a wild guess
[20:07] <TheSheep> sprry
[20:07] <TheSheep> sorry
[20:07] <Shooree> what could it be, if my add/remove panel doesn´t show anything on Xubuntu 8.10? Synaptic works, filters seem ok
[20:07] <Shooree> oh
[20:07] <Shooree> sry
[20:07] <Shooree> I thought I c/ped the terminal notice
[20:08] <Shooree> i.e. app-install-data already installed
[20:08] <UKGent> I have just installed xubuntu under wubi , working great - I like it better than ubuntu. If I want anything fancy, I do it via Firefox Extensions but I like to keep the OS clean and simple
[20:08] <UKGent> Really fast
[20:08] <Shooree> TheSheep, any further ideas?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> UKGent: thanks for your kind words.
[20:09] <Shooree> all fields remain empty once I start it
[20:09] <UKGent> charlie-tca took ages to download & install the 199 updates though !
[20:09] <Shooree> says theres no matching applications, even though the filterbox is empty
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Only 199? I did 341 this morning. The good thing is you only do that many once.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> If you use update-manager now when the icon shows up, you will only have a couple at a time
[20:12] <Shooree> thereśa
[20:12] <Shooree> damn
[20:12] <Shooree> sry
[20:12] <Shooree> theres no categories in the filter column in add/remove at all.
[20:12] <Shooree> how the hell did I do that?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Maybe it has to do with the languages that are not translated?
[20:12] <UKGent> charlie-tca  gottcha !  I am new to really knowing how linux works but have used Kubuntu & Ubuntu as a general user. I want to get into Linux properly but will take it steady. I broke the xwindows on my last ubuntu installation !
[20:12] <TheSheep> Shooree: I'd check in synaptic if you have the app-install-data package
[20:13] <TheSheep> UKGent: you will break it a lot, don't worry, it's usually easy to fix :)
[20:13] <Shooree> I repeat, it worked like a charm
[20:13] <charlie-tca> UKGent: It does get easier with each break I have to fix :-)
[20:13] <UKGent> TheSheep When you know how, yes. That is why I want to emerge from being a rank beginner!
[20:14] <Shooree> TheSheep, yes its installed
[20:14] <charlie-tca> The real good part is you very seldom have to reinstall to fix what broke
[20:14] <UKGent> charlie-tca  that is good to know!
[20:14] <TheSheep> UKGent: you won't know how if you don't fix it after breaking it several times :)
[20:14] <Shooree> damn my kboard layout is going crazy
[20:14] <TheSheep> and restarting almost never fixes things, so you unlearn it
[20:14] <TheSheep> Shooree: do you have free space on your disk?
[20:14] <UKGent> TheSheep that is true - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing but no knowledge is worse !
[20:14] <Shooree> yup
[20:15] <TheSheep> Shooree: running out of it sometimes causes weird behavior
[20:15] <Shooree> nono Ive got 100GB free
[20:15] <Shooree> I installed some language files though
[20:15] <Shooree> through system>language support
[20:15] <TheSheep> that shouldn't break things
[20:16] <Shooree> cause Im trying to get my laptop to recognise my media keys and properly layout my kboard in different languages
[20:16] <Shooree> I know! that;s why Iḿ upsett
[20:16] <Shooree> gah
[20:16] <Shooree> ḿśśś
[20:16] <TheSheep> nice :)
[20:16] <Shooree> what the hell
[20:17] <Shooree> :(
[20:17]  * TheSheep likes his compose key
[20:17] <Shooree> heh
[20:17] <Shooree> tried restarting X
[20:17] <Shooree> nothing changes
[20:17] <TheSheep> restarting never helps
[20:17] <Shooree> what could I have messed up
[20:17] <Shooree> lol
[20:17] <UKGent> TheSheep and charlie-tca    I was trying to improve my 3D rendering by installing some files but I think I upset xwindows and GRUB could not repair it....  that prompted me to look at  Xfce which looks a more robust Desktop System
[20:17] <Shooree> Im getting used to that, TheSheep
[20:18] <Shooree> should I try reinstalling app-install-data?
[20:19] <TheSheep> might help
[20:20] <Shooree> in synaptic, Ive got 3 packages installed> that one, the gnome one, and commercial
[20:20] <Shooree> should I reinstall all three
[20:23] <TheSheep> if you have them, no reinstalling is necessary
[20:23] <disassembler> how can i take a screenshot of my login screen?
[20:23] <Shooree> yay
[20:24] <TheSheep> disassembler: run it in qemu or vmware or something
[20:24] <Shooree> its heeeere
[20:24] <Shooree> TheSheep, thanks
[20:24] <disassembler> TheSheep: thanks! :]
[20:29] <disassembler> what's the ratio of experienced linux users to beginners here?
[20:29] <TheSheep> disassembler: no idea how to measure it
[20:29] <UKGent> Quick Poll?
[20:30] <UKGent> Me Beginner
[20:30] <disassembler> yeah, i guess that's true.
[20:30] <TheSheep> disassembler: there are some very good fellas, and everyone learns fast if they bother to stay
[20:31] <disassembler> i'm a beginner, i've only been using linux for about five months now, but i'm picking up on things pretty quickly.
[20:31] <UKGent> I am 50 years old and my memory is not what it used to be but I love learning new stuff. I intend to at least evolve into an intermediate user
[20:31] <TheSheep> UKGent: it had been scientifically proven that only very inexperienced peole consider themselves good, the more experienced you are, the more you tend to underestimate your skills
[20:32] <TheSheep> UKGent: so I wouldn't rely on a poll :)
[20:32] <disassembler> just reading the xubuntu help documentation helped a lot and now terminal is my new best friend. :]
[20:33] <UKGent> TheSheep You do get less 'cocky' when you get older. My short term memory is useless compared to what I was like when I was 20 say. On the other hand, I seem to be able to integrate a whole lot of knowledge in a way I could not do before
[20:35] <TheSheep> UKGent: if you somehow measured IQ of a 4-year-old kid using 'adult' techniques, you'd get a score of about 4--500
[20:35] <TheSheep> 400-500
[20:35] <TheSheep> as long as you don't check for knowledge
[20:40] <UKGent> TheSheep most people seem unaware of where the term 'IQ' comes from - it is, after all, a 'quotient' The chronological age divided by the mental age (times one hundred). Therefore the term 'IQ' really has little meaning when you get older ! lol
[20:40]  * TheSheep didn't know
[20:41] <TheSheep> I thought it's the score gotten on IQ test divided by the average score of teh population
[20:42] <disassembler> i've got qemu installed. :]
[20:42] <TheSheep> disassembler: there are some guis for it, like qemulator
[20:42] <TheSheep> disassembler: also, installing kqemu will make it work faster
[20:43] <disassembler> oh, awesome. :]
[20:43] <UKGent> TheSheep that came later... but originally Binet wanted to simply test the educational progress of children.So he devised a way of arriving at a Quotient which expressed how they were doing against what would normally be expected at that age.
[20:43] <disassembler> i picked qtemu from the list in terminal how does that compare to qemulator?
[20:43] <TheSheep> disassembler: qemu is a command-line tool
[20:44] <TheSheep> disassembler: quemulator is a gui for launching it
[20:44] <disassembler> yeah, i picked qtemu for the gui instead of qemulator.
[20:45] <TheSheep> disassembler: I didn't make it clear, it's an emulator of a computer -- you can install xubuntu or another distribution in it, or even windows. That's how people who do the screenshots for the websites do it
[20:45] <UKGent> Unfortunately the 'Eugenics' crowd got hold of the concept. They noticed that the gap between Chronological Age and Mental Age increased but the Ration remained the same. They therefore assumed that this must measure the 'genetic' intelligence
[20:45] <TheSheep> UKGent: maybe we could move that to xubuntu-offtopic
[20:46] <disassembler> The Sheep: Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.
[20:46] <TheSheep> UKGent: it's very interesting, just, well, off-topic here :)
[20:46] <TheSheep> UKGent: just do /j xubuntu-offtopic
[20:46] <UKGent> TheSheep lol I apologise - terrible habit of mine   ... sorry
[20:47] <TheSheep> UKGent: I'd liek to continue that conversation :)
[20:47] <TheSheep> like*
[20:49] <UKGent> TheSheep  OK   - I am actually in conversation with my Nephew who I have persuaded to install xubunto on his laptop. Managed to steer him though some of the trivial 'problems' he is almost there!
[20:49] <UKGent> j xubuntu offtopic
[20:49] <UKGent> lol   damn  lol
[20:50] <TheSheep> with / in front and a dash in the middle
[20:50] <TheSheep> /j xubuntu-offtopic
[20:50] <UKGent> lol told you I was a slow learner
[20:51] <TheSheep> no hurry
[20:51] <UKGent> Testing
[20:55] <disassembler> TheSheep: So Qemu and qemulator is like wubi for windows?
[20:56] <TheSheep> disassembler: they, they are more like console emulators or old computer emulatros -- except they emulate a modern computer
[20:56] <SiDi> disassembler: qemu hosts virtual machines of any kind. wubi installs a virtual disk in an NTFS/FAT partition and modifies the windows boot loader
[20:57] <disassembler> oh okay. :] i get it now.
[20:57] <TheSheep> disassembler: the nice thing about emulated computers is that you can freeze them, copy to other computer, and make them run
[20:57]  * SiDi is struggling to get a constant defined in his makefile, with the value of the user's home, btw, feel free to tell me if you know how to :P
[20:58] <disassembler> oh, that's awesome.
[20:58] <SiDi> disassembler: i use virtual machines to test my network apps :) it's just awesome
[20:58] <TheSheep> SiDi: ${HOME} should have it already...
[20:58] <SiDi> with {, huh ? :o thanks TheSheep :)
[20:58] <TheSheep> yeah, you can have a 3 or 5 computers on your computer, all connected any way you like
[20:59] <TheSheep> SiDi: sorry, $(HOME)
[20:59] <TheSheep> SiDi: confused with bash
[20:59] <SiDi> Well, i tried $HOME and it didnt work ;p
[21:00] <TheSheep> variables in makefiles must use ()
[21:00] <SiDi> Thanks
[21:00] <SiDi> i'm not fluent with makefiles
[21:00] <TheSheep> they are a great tool
[21:00] <SiDi> Yeh, my classmate does awesome things with them :p
[21:00] <TheSheep> for automating all sort of file-generating tasks
[21:00] <SiDi> but i dont feel in the mood to make the makefile that compiles and links our libs to our client ^^
[21:01] <UKGent> TheSheep could not seem to do it the way you suggested but found it by directly entering the channel via 'Join Channel'
[21:01] <SiDi> I can only do basic things with those
[21:01] <TheSheep> write in a lanugage that does compilation automatically :)
[21:01] <TheSheep> UKGent: I can't see you
[21:01] <disassembler> SiDi: I'm using it to capture a screenshot of my login window at the moment.
[21:02] <SiDi> UKGent: any irc client should let you join if you type "/join channelname", and the channel name is "#xubuntu-offtopic"
[21:02] <SiDi> disassembler: i think you can do this more easily :p
[21:02] <SiDi> disassembler: if you set the gnome capture thing to 5-10 secs and call "gdmflexiserver", it should take a screenshot of gdm, too
[21:03] <UKGent> TheSheep I took you literally and missed out the hash !
[21:03] <TheSheep> or you can use imagemagic's 'import' with --display option from the commandline...
[21:03] <TheSheep> UKGent: most cleints should add teh hash
[21:03] <TheSheep> the
[21:03]  * TheSheep looks as his typos and decides he should go to bed soon
[21:04] <disassembler> SiDi: What do you mean by "call"? Alt+F2 then run gdmflexiserver?
[21:04] <UKGent> TheSheep I am using XChat and it didn't lol
[21:04] <UKGent> TheSheep I am in the UK so the night is young here - thanks for chatting !
[21:05] <TheSheep> UKGent: thank you, and do come here whenever you need help or are just bored :)
[21:05] <TheSheep> UKGent: greeting to the nephew too
[21:06] <UKGent> TheSheep thanks - he is just doing his updates - we will have him converted yet !
[21:08] <disassembler> i'm trying to get a friend to switch to linux, but so far no luck. :[ he uses windows for gaming.
[21:09] <TheSheep> disassembler: no point
[21:09] <SiDi> disassembler: yeh
[21:09] <TheSheep> disassembler: he will switch when he needs to do actual work on it
[21:09] <SiDi> im using linux for gaming :)
[21:09] <TheSheep> I'm using consoles for gaming
[21:09] <TheSheep> beats both linux and windows
[21:09] <TheSheep> imho, of course
[21:10] <SiDi> TheSheep: moh;aa and et:qw are not the same on a playstation
[21:10] <disassembler> SiDi: what are you playing? he runs plays left4dead and tf2 and from what i've read on the ubuntu forums, people have have trouble getting them to run well on linux.
[21:10] <SiDi> FPS on consoles will never reach PC FPS's gameplay
[21:10] <SiDi> left4dead runs out of the box in ubuntu, but the performances are not great
[21:10] <TheSheep> who plays fps-es ;)
[21:10] <SiDi> i mostly play et:qw
[21:10] <SiDi> i used to play L2 when i had the internet, too
[21:11] <SiDi> (btw i didnt say anything about l4d, i'm not meant to have bought it T_T)
[21:11] <disassembler> TheShep: I agree. I love my console. I only have a snes and dreamcast at the moment, but they're great.
[21:11] <slow-motion> hi
[21:12] <disassembler> slow-motion: greetings!
[21:12] <SiDi> Hello Slonkie
[21:12] <SiDi> slow-motion *
[21:12] <slow-motion> hi disassembler, SiDi
[21:12] <disassembler> *TheSheep
[21:12] <disassembler> i noticed my typo up there.
[21:12] <TheSheep> disassembler: snes had the best games: final fantasy *, chronotrigger... they re-released chronotrigger recently with only cosmetic changes on modern consoles -- a 5 years old game, and it still sells!
[21:13] <disassembler> TheSheep: agreed. i have plenty of game boys, but they have other uses.
[21:15] <disassembler> are there any good shmups for linux?
[21:16] <disassembler> terminal is listing a ton of games that are available.
[21:16] <TheSheep> disassembler: try getdeb.net
[21:16] <TheSheep> disassembler: has lots of games
[21:16] <disassembler> TheSheep: will do!
[21:18] <SiDi> There are good native games, and some games work just fine under wine :P
[21:36] <UKGent> Thanks people - I am off now for a bit.
[21:36] <SiDi> Good night UKGent
[21:36] <Aquina> n8 SiDi :-)
[21:36] <SiDi> Hello Aquina
[21:37] <Aquina> hy!
[21:39] <excalibas> hello, where can I find some help on how to configure dual screen?
[21:39] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[21:39] <TheSheep> !twinview
[21:39] <excalibas> thanks
[21:39] <TheSheep> !dualhead
[21:44] <gorgut> what is the command to get a directory via ssh?
[21:45] <gorgut> would i use scp?
[21:58] <excalibas> how about xrandr?
[22:01] <excalibas> !xrandr
[22:02] <SiDi> good bye
[22:06] <Slor> yes gorgut,  scp should do you
[22:09] <excalibas> xrandr rocks :)
[22:13] <J_Litewski> i think i have a problem
[22:13] <J_Litewski> xubuntu won't mount my CD-rom drive
[22:13] <J_Litewski> yet it detects it
[22:14] <zoredache> so you have xubuntu installed and running, and you have put a DATA cd into the computer and you are trying to access it?
[22:15] <J_Litewski> i tried to write an ISO to a CD-RW and it errored out an unknown error
[22:15] <J_Litewski> in 8.04, it mounted any cd or dvd i put into it
[22:16] <zoredache> so you just created a new cd, you got an error, and you are not able to mount it?
[22:16] <J_Litewski> it didn't mount when the it got done reading the cd, like it use to
[22:17] <J_Litewski> barsero reads it fine
[22:17] <zoredache> well if you got an error, when you where creating the CD, perhaps the cd is broke
[22:17] <J_Litewski> it did the same think with a music cd and DVD-rom
[22:17] <J_Litewski> *thing
[22:18] <J_Litewski> and I tried two CD-RW's
[22:18] <J_Litewski> one old and one brand new
[22:18] <zoredache> have you tried putting in a CD that wasn't burned and check if it is readable?
[22:18] <J_Litewski> yep
[22:18] <zoredache> and?
[22:18] <J_Litewski> still errored out
[22:18] <J_Litewski> it won't blank, run the programs, nothing
[22:19] <J_Litewski> which is weird, because yesterday, 8.10 ran the same DVD fine
[22:19] <zoredache> Perhaps the drive has gone bad? Have you tried booting off you livecd?
[22:20] <J_Litewski> i don't have the live cd anymore, i was burning a new one
[22:22] <J_Litewski> the thing that gets me is i can't access the disk anymore from the desktop
[22:25] <disassembler> does anyone have recommendation for bit torrent clients? i was looking into deluge or qbittorrent. both seem pretty similar.
[22:25] <zoredache> I like bittornado, but my needs are very simple... I just download a ubuntu iso every few months
[22:27] <disassembler> i used utorrent on windows and from what i can see, deluge and qbittorrent both look similar to that.
[22:27] <gorgut> i like btdownloadcurses.py :p
[22:29] <slow-motion> n8
[22:30] <J_Litewski> i like utorrent
[22:30] <J_Litewski> bittornado is good
[22:30] <J_Litewski> fast too
[22:31] <gorgut> what's the command to get the size of a directory?
[22:31] <zoredache> df dir
[22:31] <gorgut> thanks
[22:31] <zoredache> sorry: du dir
[22:33] <gorgut> zoredache, all du did was give me a list of files and their path...?
[22:34] <zoredache> if you use 'du dir' or 'du .' for the current directory the number on the last line is what you are looking for
[22:35] <zoredache> you could also do a command like this 'du --max-depth=0 -h /home/' to get you the human redable size
[22:37] <J_Litewski> whats the channel for xubuntu 9.04?
[22:41]  * J_Litewski sighs
[22:41] <J_Litewski> stupid pidgin
[22:45] <TheSheep> !jaunty
[22:48] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "jaunty" 9.04] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 74.2% free] disk[Total: 677.5GB, 81.9% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[23:40] <GreedyB> What does Xubuntu use for a sound applet?
[23:40] <GreedyB> mine seems to have disappeared